The crew sits down with BigBoiTheTopic and ATM Jorge Jeffe to break down how their viral track "Pop That" took off and what that momentum means for independent artists trying to break through the noise. They get real about the independent grind, the challenges of building a fanbase without major label backing, and what it takes to make a song stick in people's heads. The conversation flows into the darker side of the music game — janky promoters who promise the world but deliver nothing, fake opportunities that drain your pockets, and how to spot game when you're coming up. Both guests share war stories about getting played and what they learned from those L's. They also touch on what's next in their careers, new music on the horizon, and the blueprint they're building for other independent artists looking to do it the right way without getting caught up in industry politics or predatory deals.