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Ep. 35 Dialectic, the art of investigating/discussing the truth of opinions, Stoicism and Astronomy w/ Gabriel de Freitas
Episode 35 • 4th April 2022 • The Borealis Experience • Aurora Eggert
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today with me Gabriel de Freitas 

You have a choice -always 

We address the very light topics of:

Stoicism 

#Markusaurelius 

#Politics

#Evolution 

#Humanity 

#Meditation 

hello my dear listeners,

maybe it's the same for you and what Gabriel shares opens up your heart and mind .

OR

Maybe this convo is deeply triggering for you. Isn't that good as well ?

whenever we feel triggered : let's make this an opportunity to have a conversation

find out for yourself how you feel about all this

we will be talking about

  • seeing the big picture
  • dialectic ; the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions
  • stoicism
  • keeping your cool in stressful times by shifting your perspective
  • what the heck has astronomy anything to. do with mental health

I feel the world can greatly benefit from perspective shifts :)

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Hello, hello, and welcome to mirallas experience.

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I'm so happy to have my friend Gabrielle with me today. We

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connected many years ago at the college and yeah, reconnected

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now because Gabrielle is posting very inspiring stuff. He is

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Seeker for truth, he is a person who calls people out on their

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bullshit. He's the friend you wish you had at your side when

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shit gets, you know, serious because he cuts through and

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allows you to see your blind spots. At least that's what I

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experience when when I'm roaming around on your page. I really

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love how you connect physics and chemistry and spirituality,

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politics, geopolitics.

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I'm really excited to share with my listeners with the world, how

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your brain is approaching certain subjects nowadays that

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some people, you know, feel very triggered and very helpless and

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powerless. And you just give people a beautiful angle on, on

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things on on topics that are Yeah, affecting all of us at the

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moment. So this is why I invited you. Maybe I didn't give you a

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proper explanation on why I connected with you and wanted

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you on this podcast. But here you are. Here we are. Welcome to

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the show. Welcome. Gabriel de Frey tests.

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I'm glad to be here. Thank you.

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All right, where did your journey begin? When it comes to

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expressing yourself like you do today? Were you always a very,

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you know, expressive person? Or did you have a time in your life

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where you were more of an introvert, more of an observer.

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And then there was a day there was a time where you knew you

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cannot hold it back anymore?

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Fill us in?

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Well, I grew up in Brazil, right. And we didn't have much

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like, we weren't poor and although we do really have much

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so like, my education was the only thing I had in contact with

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like, thinking and putting my brain into things to do and

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other things. But like, so like growing up, it was it was it was

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a little bit of

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an motivational in terms of like what I would do and things like

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that, like education and other things because my school was

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like, very dull. It's not like schools here in, in Canada,

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where you have like, a lot more experiences to do like things to

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really learn he was it's more like a industrial approach to

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education. So education to me was always kind of like I hated

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going into school. I totally hate it. And I was super shy to

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growing up. So the whole thing of like, socials inside of

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school is awful for me, you know, I hated it. Like I totally

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hated going to school. I was always the kid that was like, I

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wasn't, I wasn't on the side of the most popular kids and I also

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wasn't with the the other kids. It was just me and one other kid

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that was friends, you know, they always and always spend like

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kind of one or two years in each school that I ever studied in my

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life. I was always moving and going from school to school. So

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I never really like attached too long to someone you know, like

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friends and other things I never had, I didn't have a brother

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growing up. My parents had one kid before I was born but they

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died he died because of meningitis. So I grew up already

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like after my parents lost a kid you know, so they were kind of

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like, attached even though they divorced when when I was like

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four

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and I grew up with my mom and stuff but like, which was even

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poor in terms of finances, you know, money and stuff.

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My My father wasn't very present for the first few years and

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stuff but like it came through later in life, you know, like

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everyone needs to go through a journey of maturity and he had

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one too, you know, made lots of mistakes but like now I have

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another brother that I haven't even met because these inputs

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zeal is six years old.

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And my father is a totally different person to even be more

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present than he has ever been in my life to my brother, right.

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So, like, it was only after, I would say, I was in grade 10 or

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11, that, like I started realizing that pretty much my

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whole life was in a state of kind of depression, the only

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happy moments I had, or moments of like, totally different type

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of experiences. So like, when I was with my father trying to

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like, learn how to build a house, a tree house, you know,

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like, literally grabbing wood and going to the top of the

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tree, nailing it down and trying to build a house. I mean, that

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was like, a totally different experience. So like, it was, I

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didn't understand it back then. But my happiness came from the

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use of my brain like thinking applying to real life

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situations, you know, the more in on autopilot I was living,

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the more depressed I would be. So just waking up every day

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going into school coming back, not seeing the point of it, all

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right, like I hated math, to me, it was completely pointless. I

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study physics now.

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It's a totally different person, like, and so like,

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pretty much after, like, I was, say,

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14 or 15. Like I started realizing, putting,

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rationalizing more, right, like actually putting into words and

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thoughts in my mind. And I started realizing that I needed

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more than the school could offer me. So I was like, grade 11.

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around that.

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So like,

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I have the opportunity of coming to Canada when I was 17. And

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then, in Canada, I had a different experience, to

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information and even the whole language itself, you know,

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learning how to speak English that was already like,

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pleasing to my brain, you know.

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So it was, it was like a process, I didn't really

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understand myself after, like, 20 years, it took 20 years to

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understand that, like, I am thirsty for information, and

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that fulfills me in ways that pretty much nothing else does.

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You know, like, the things that I that used to bother me of

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thinking through complicated issues, was more like being

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bothered by the unknown by the, the thinking of something that

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you hadn't never thought before. But I started realizing that the

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more you think and the more you connect with other information,

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the easier it becomes, you know, and then even for writing, like

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I studied international relations, right? With Leonardo,

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you remember Leo, right? You know, knows my

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We were classmates in international relations and

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International Relations, it was one of the greatest experiences

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in my life to learn how to write, how to write cohesively,

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how to write logical arguments based on literature based on

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information with with an academic logic, and I'm talking

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about 60 pages, papers, you know, like, it's not short

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stuff, it's like a lot of information. And a lot of that

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is based on dialectic. dialectic is like the, the, the logical

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argumentation of, of different points of views without actually

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ever coming to conclusion. Because you can't come to a

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conclusion, on the dialectic, you're going to analyze history,

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and politics and the point of life itself and everything, but

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never actually come to a conclusion. You can talk about

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communism and capitalism, the awesome stuff from one thing,

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the awesome stuff from the other thing, the bad stuff from one

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thing, the bad stuff on the other thing, you can cross

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reference them and put them and against different scenarios, and

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you keep talking and talking and talking. But it never comes to a

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point that you say, therefore, capitalism is the best one.

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Therefore, communism is the best one. You don't have to come to a

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conclusion because you understand that it's so complex

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that there is no conclusion you know, anything could be possible

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depending on enumerables types of like variables, you know, so

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So yeah, like

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I started like having that experience throughout my life

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like reading different stuff I would read from history and all

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Oh, they were all things outside of school. You know, they were

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all things that like I was curious for so like when I first

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can't You can't

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And that was a, kinda like, the first time in my life that I

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read. I think I read like nine books in a one year period when

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I was 17. Right. So it was, it was the first time in my life

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that I was like, I just want to I before that I only had read

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Harry Potter, you know, Harry Potter was the only thing I had

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ever finished reading and I had the pleasure of reading before

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Harry Potter, I would say, I hate reading. I hate reading. I

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don't like reading, I wouldn't have patience for reading,

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right? But like Harry Potter kind of made me like, see, you

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actually like reading the stuff that you want to read? You know,

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so when I came to Canada, I was like, you know, I'm not going to

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read the school stuff. It's boring. I never liked it. It's

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not going to be today that I'm going to start liking it. So I

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went to the public library of Vernon in BC.

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And I just walked in, and I would like, walk around whatever

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book that piqued my interest, I would grab it and see if I

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wanted to read and if I wanted, I would rebuild thing. So I

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started studying about religion, you know, ancient religions,

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like Egypt religions, you know, the whole history of Egypt,

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actually, you know, and I was surprised, you know, for the

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first time in my life, right, like, it was like, why Egypt

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lasted 2000 years. You know, it was a we're here for like, what

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600 You know, after the ocean expansions and ocean

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explorations, you know, oversea exploration, so that was like in

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the 1500s. So rounded up to like, six 600 years. And our

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civilization 600 Years went through World Wars, you know,

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and, and all sorts of all of that stuff. So like, anyway, so

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I started connecting all of that information, you know, like, I

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was already the computer kid. So I already understood a lot about

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technology, like, I grew up, I was a hacker when I was a kid, I

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even got in trouble once with the

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police, you know, because I was hacking websites, and yeah, but

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like, instead of, like, getting in trouble, the police just

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recommended my parents to put me in, like this online course,

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that lasted like actually three years, and would teach us how to

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use our hacking knowledge to make money to like, you know,

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like, actually offer, you know, security services to other

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companies and stuff. So

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I'm like the result of a bunch of seeds that happened in

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multiple moments in my life. And I made sure to grab on and hold

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on to those seeds, you know, that in now in the future,

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right, like in the present, actually, the future from the

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past.

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I'm like, harvesting those seeds, because I made sure to

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protect them kind of thing. But like, I went through a bunch of

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other bad stuff, like I was kind of homeless when I was like,

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seven or seven years old, six, seven.

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Like I was living with my mom, my, my father wasn't answering

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the phone, like he saw, it was like, kind of like a ruse, or we

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were, you know, lying or something. My mom was like to

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draw attention or something. But like, there was this huge rain

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fall in Brazil and stuff. And there was floods everywhere. And

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we lost our house to the floods, the floods, like literally, I

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remember these huge tsunami wave coming down and then like, just

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destroying a little house and we, we were like, leaving on the

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last second car with lady looks like a movie, like an

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apocalyptic movie, you know? And I was a kid, right? Like, it was

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inside of the car, and stuff. So like, it was just me and my mom

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in the car for like, eight months or so. We were like

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literally sleeping in the parking lot of

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pharmacy, because the pharmacy had like an overnight security

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guard. Right? So it was kind of safer.

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By like, it was a month that I didn't know how long it was

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gonna last. It was a most I could have like, to me it was

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like, maybe years you know, like, I didn't know when it was

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gonna last. It's too much anxiety, right? Everyday you

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like, is this the last day every day and then eight months

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through it like it feels like an eternity.

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But I choose to look back and like I wouldn't change anything.

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I wouldn't change anything because all of these things are

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what made me the person that I am today. You know, it's like a

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roller coaster. would make the roller would you make the roller

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coaster flat and like if you make the roller coaster flat,

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it's not a roller coaster anymore and I it's not fun. It's

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there's no point to it. Life is kind of like a roller coaster.

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You know, if you

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changed the up and downs, then it's not life anymore. You know,

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like, even if you look at history and evolution life, you

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know, like the whole thing, like, we are literally the

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product of everything that didn't die.

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That's basically what evolution is, you know, anything that

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didn't die, kept reproducing and passing its genes to next

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generations and next generation, that that's why we're here.

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So

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are we going to be like, Oh, that's not fair, that's, that's

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bad, you know, like, like, who are we to judge the natural

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cycle of life, one day, this planet's gonna blow up in one

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way or another, you know, either by the, the expansion of the of

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the star itself, you know, and completely swollen it up, or by

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internal reactions, but like, the planet itself doesn't last

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forever. You know, not even the state of of sustaining life

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that's going to go way before the planet goes

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by, like, at some point that even the planet itself is going

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to break apart and just become dust again, maybe billions and

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billions of years in the future. But whenever that does happen,

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even more billions and billions and billions of years later, all

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of that dust might just clog up again and make another plan and

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then life starts again. You know, or not, but that's, it's

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really the,

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for all we know, we are made of carbon that was once life in

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another planet. You know?

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So, literally, organic molecules, right? So carbon

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protein, amino acid.

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So like,

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again, I don't want to like jump forward, Blake. Yeah, basically,

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that's me.

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I'm always like, connecting one thing to

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Oh, my dear listeners, this is Gabriel in a nutshell.

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I hope I didn't, you so far exceeded my expectations. And I

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find it so beautiful. Like how easily you put things into words

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and then express yourself so that it's very easily to to

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follow you as well. What I love most is when you explain the was

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a dialect, dialectic, dialectic. Yeah, it's got like this before

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it instead of like dialect. So dialect is more like language

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and dialectic, it's the these argumentation of points without

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ever, like really coming to a conclusion, because it would be

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hyper, hyper, hyper critical to come to a conclusion. Exactly.

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And I feel this is what what everybody has to look at. Right?

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Yes, learn in order to, to stay centered and grounded and yes,

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to stay informed. But to not run around like chickens with a

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chopped off head right. And to, to know that life is so

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extremely complex, and our brain will always want to find

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something to cling on to. But the moment we do that, we see

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separation and feel separation, we see others and us and we see

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something is happening over here, but not over here. And,

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and you help people to see the connectedness and the big

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picture. And I'm sure that I mean, I struggled with

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depression and still have my depressive phases, but to see

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the big picture to see how small we are and how big this universe

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is and how, you know, short our lifespan is it puts you into

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perspective and helps you to to kind of get out of this darkness

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at least it did for me when I listened to you. And then the

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second thing I'd like to comment on is the policemen the the guys

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who caught you hacking, and who saw your potential who saw that

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this boy this youngster has drawn energy and he's using it,

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you know, for for the wrong reasons right now, and we're

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going to channel this energy into something like vandalism.

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That's That's what hacking

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online vandalism. Yeah, it's really just hey, I'm gonna walk

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in here. This is a nice website, but you lost it.

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Just as I can and you fail on protecting. Hahaha.

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Yeah.

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But, but for them to channel your energy into something good.

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Probably saved you

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Life because they could have come and just punished you and

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made you feel like there was never. And then you could have

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either become more depressed or more destructive.

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Yeah, exactly. More criminally No, I'm gonna now start stealing

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money.

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Yeah. And then and then how you went through the homelessness

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and the extreme pains at a very young age and, and to see you,

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you know, Blossom today and being there for others inspiring

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others

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is so incredibly inspiring, you're not a victim to what,

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to the circumstances that you went through you kind of rose

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above and and learn from it and are not now helping others. And

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when it comes to as a victim until I realized, sorry, I was a

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victim until I realized that I had a choice that it's all about

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a choice. And it's kind of something that people get

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offended about, right? Like when you say like, you have to choose

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to be happy late, even you're in depression, whatever it is, the

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problem is when the person in depression because I was this

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person was here is that it's all about choice, they take it to a

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personal side of like, So you mean that I haven't made that

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choice yet. So you mean that it's all my fault. So you meet

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and then they go down in a spiral that's not even that way,

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you know that they are the one interpreting that as an

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offensive thing. Or you're saying that it's your choice is

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because it's your choice to start making something different

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about what you're feeling, you know, like, eat better sleep

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better. They exercise, you have to really force yourself through

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these things, because they are what will break the cycle,

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you're in like, a circle going around, around around. And

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that's the easiest movement, right like to, to break out of

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that movement, you have to spend extra energy, it's kind of like

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getting out getting out of the planet with a with a rocket,

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right going to the moon with a rocket, that's called the

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velocity escape escape velocity. So the escape velocity is

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basically the amount of energy that you need to spend, in order

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to break apart from the pole of the gravity of the earth, you

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know, if you, if you're like one kilometre per hour is lower than

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the speed that's required, you're gonna go up, and then and

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back to your, you know, say, so like, you need to have that

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constant extra speed to break out of that, it's the same

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thing, when you're in a cycling life of depression of things,

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you say that it's because of the Depression, and you have this

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condition, and you hug it out, and you protect it. And you say

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that I can't go and do an exercise because I don't feel

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like living. Guess what you will not, if you if you hope, if

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you're like waiting for some kind of medicine that will take

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in help you maybe that that should, in some cases, that's

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good, you know, like, it will help you as as a as a temporary

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leverage. But you also can't depend on that, like, you have

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to use that leverage of the medicine that you were

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prescribed, and like literally address the roots of the issue

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wild, you have some kind of movement, you know, but you have

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to do something about it, it's not just going to be like,

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something that's going to come and make you feel better, and

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then suddenly, you're going to start working out and do

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everything bla bla bla, like, even if that happens, you're

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just going to be dependent on that medicine because you still

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haven't addressed the issues. You know, the idea is like, you

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take the medicine you take action, but the action is the

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important part, the medicine is just a need, you know, so you

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take the action and you bring the results are after that

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action.

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Slowly that all makes so much sense. And depression feels like

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gravity times 10 You know, like gravity and then times 10 It

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makes you so heavy and so the thermogenic and to bring up the

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energy to break out of it is you're just saying it's not

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possible it's not never going to happen. And don't get me wrong,

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the journey is tough and not beautiful. But there is also

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parts to it that are extremely light and easy and remembering

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who you were as a child and and what truly brings you joy. So it

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really has Yeah, very beautiful sides to it and very tough

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sides. But once you overcome them you are so much stronger

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and so much more. Yeah, resilient and unable to see

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that. Life is incredibly precious and beautiful.

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Very, very well put into words.

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I have a feeling that I want to invite you back

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I got onto this show

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and talk more about do politics, but to just cut a little bit

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into what's happening right now with humanity,

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and

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to show people how you address these circumstances right now,

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what would you say?

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Where, where did we drift off? And where are we at right now?

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And how can we, as a whole, get to a better place?

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Well, one, one way I like to start analyzing these things is

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looking at the entire nature of humanity, you know, and when you

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look at the entire nature of humanity, you have to look at

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the entire history, at least as much as we know about the

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history of humanity. Right? There are things that were only

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recently discovery.

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I forgot to go now the the the name of the city, but

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it's in Turkey. There is this ancient city in Turkey was

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literally as far as we know now, which is recent discovery for

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the last five years, I guess.

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That like that ancient city was the first city of humanity, you

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know, every any lasted literally over 1000 years. And that was

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before the Sumerians before the Egyptians, before the Mayans and

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Aztecs, you know, I'm saying like, so I'm talking about,

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like, 12 16,000 years ago, that's a lot of time. And ever

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since then, we've been in a cycle. There is no drift enough,

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we still in the cycle, even when we go through periods of peace,

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it's all just part of the cycle. You know, like, it's not like,

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Oh, we got peace. And then we'll now we ruined No, it was already

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just, we never broke out of it. You know, we still never broke

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out of it. Because a lacks,

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we still we're still children as a race, you know, as a, as a

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brain, a collective brain. We're still very, very, very immature.

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Oh, but we've been here for 1000s of years. Yeah, but we're

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still immature. You know, like, in many ways, in many, many,

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many, many ways. Like, the whole is the result of the of the sum

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of the parts, right? So like, the entire result of all the

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reality of humans is really the result of individual parts.

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There is nothing divine that comes and dictates the war and

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stuff. No, it's really just humans acting among each other.

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You know?

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So, how are we to expect anything different if we know

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haven't met humans? You know, we know how humans are, we know how

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lost they are in their own existence. Sometimes they even

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live their entire lives being lost, you know, no matter if

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they die at 20. Or if they die at you know, they might still

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live their entire lives and completely lost.

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Lost in the reasons lost in because reality is entirely

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subjective, especially for the human mind. You know, we're

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completely programmable, conditional, indoctrinate

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double.

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If you grab a human and you raise that human inside of a

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white room, their entire lives, and you don't show them

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anything.

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And then when you're like, Lady older, and you walk in with

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this,

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let's even take off the whole experience of someone walking

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in, I'd say that's fine. Because even that that would be like,

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holy shit, who are you? You're an alien. Am I alone? What you

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know, like it would be a hole. But let's say that person walks

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in and shows a drawing of a kid that and says this is a picture

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of outside the human would totally believes because they

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don't have anything to relate to like any other information to

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say like, oh, no, this is real. And this is a drawing, you know?

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Like they It's how our mind works. We can be literally

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educated to believe in any reality possible, even be happy

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within war. If you look at like Vikings, for example. It's a

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perfect example that most people would know. Vikings were

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literally happy for killing people. And that was looked up

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upon you know, I'm saying, but like, it was the reality of back

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then because that's really how one person would sustain the

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other reality right? Like everyone that's part of the

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entire reality was sustaining the reality itself. So it takes

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literally it took hundreds of years to break out of that.

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Did you know of that one culture, but if you analyze the

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whole violence of culture of violence, we're still in 1000s

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of years in cycles, and we just changed our methods and stuff.

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But we're still living in a war, justifying for the same reasons

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justifying because of cultural differences. Religion

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differences, why do you think countries have official

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religions? It's really just a practice that started at the

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beginning of modern organizations of societies in

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order to avoid war, you know, like, they would say, like, No,

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our country is officially Catholic, you know, so, let's

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not fight about that. It's decided, you know, I'm saying

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like, it's, it was literally because before you'd have

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conflicts, right, like people would start like killing each

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other and justifying because now they're not from here, they have

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a different religion, you know, or something like that. So like,

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it was officially determined one, so that the whole

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government and state would like, educate the rest of the

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population on that one religion and kind of like, uniform

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things, right? Unify things. So like, stabilize by making

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everyone in one year under one influence, build more churches

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and whatever. So that's literally just a reason to avoid

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conflict. But conflict keeps happening all the time. It's

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it's unavoidable, you know? And it always comes from these like,

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there's this

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awesome philosopher that I love her Krishna Murthy. I don't know

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how probably pronounce his name is a Indian guy.

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Krishna Murthy. I think it's by like, he, he's like, Oh, the

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Leggett's has probably around the same times as Alan Watts.

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You know, I love ones. Yeah. So Alan Watts, I think it's

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1920 1840, something like that. Krishnamurti is around the same

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time. So you see, you see recordings of him the same way

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as you as you find recordings of Alan Watts, right.

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So like, really old recordings and stuff. And there's this one

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that I really liked that Krishna moody is like having this

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presentation, right? Like,

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and he says, like, there is this

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ever sustaining for 1000s of years, we've been at war every

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year, every there's not a single year that there's no conflicts

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on the planet. Never, ever, ever. We're not like, oh, no,

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Russia and Ukraine. But yeah, like, have you met the rest of

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the planet, you know, always at war. You know, the only

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difference is how much you got to know of it, how much it

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generates an engagement and all other things, right? But like,

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even if you like people say like, oh, where's the world

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going that same place or has always been going? You know?

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In a circle, exactly. You know, and that circle is like, it has

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worked out so far. I mean, we're still alive, right? Yeah. But

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that circle, if we don't break out of it might one day just

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blow itself up, man.

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Like if we just keep going and going and going and going, Oh,

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it's working. It's working and suddenly collapses on itself and

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build up. Because we're not immortals. That's another thing

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that philosophy will teach you right? Like, but before I go to

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that immortals party, which is stoicism, like, so.

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Krishna moody, right. So he says, like,

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throughout history, there's been this collection of things that

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sustain war, differences from religions that don't agree with

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each other cultures that don't agree with each other countries

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that don't agree with each other. There's scientists that

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don't agree with each other, you know,

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and all sorts of the games, you see, and he like, he literally

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goes, like, only a fool can see this, you know, because it's so

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obviously. So what is the the

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supreme outcome of, like, desirable outcome to actually

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start having wars? Is unification. The only way by

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then we're talking about very dangerous things, too, you know,

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because that process is not going to be beautiful. It's not

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going to be a clean process. I mean, look at the world we have

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now. Even in terms of of the cycle, it's pretty

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unprecedented. We've never had the population numbers we had we

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have now throughout history and we spent like, millions of years

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with a very stable population, you know, of humans, because we

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own we, it's that's a whole math thing, right. So like a

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mathematical phenomenon. If you have a certain number of

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populations, the scalability of reproduction.

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especially off humans, which we barely have one or two kids,

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every time we reproduce, right? I mean, if you have twins, that

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would be two, but like, it's not like dogs that like 12 Kids have

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offspring.

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So we reproduce at a scalable rate, like, you can calculate

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the probability of all of that. So if you have like, less than a

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million humans on the entire planet, and that was like,

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around the time, the Vikings and all that stuff, you know, like,

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all the way into, I think, I think we broke, like, building

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over

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I think was like the 1800s, or 1900s was the first time we were

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like, 1.1 billion kind of thing. So it took millions of years for

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us to get you a certain number of population. Up until then, if

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you had like a plague or anything that would like

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designate 200,000 people, 500,000 people, that meant that

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meant literally decimating half of the human life on the planet,

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you know, so like, we were constantly being tested against

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the probabilities of evolution, life, natural selection, and our

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that's those things, you know,

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literally, we only survived because some of us had some

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immunities to some diseases and other things, you know, we

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didn't, we didn't have vaccines and other things. So like, we

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survived it literally, just by nature itself. So

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if you like,

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basically,

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I lose, I lose my, my thoughts sometimes. So like, where was I

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going at?

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I mean, we were talking about evolution, we talked about the

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circle of life, that conflict was always

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part of it.

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That it's the evolution thing, that the amount of people on the

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planet was usually Yeah, very stable. And then they came

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plague. And it diminished. So like, so basically, like, it's

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only expected that some things would escalate in a certain way,

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right, like wars and diseases and all other things. But like,

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after we started getting to a certain numbers of populations,

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because it's unprecedented, that's the thing I was talking

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about. So it's, we're, I mean, we're literally unprecedented

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moments of history right now. Like, it's not like, sure, there

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is a cycle of things, but we are witnessing things that has have

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never happened before, even the whole thing of us as a

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biological life form, right? Like we were, imagine if you

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have a jar at home, and then you put some plants inside, and then

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over like, weeks or something, some like littles nail starts

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growing because there was like a nag of his nail in the plant,

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you know, like, and, like, we're literally like this, we're

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inside of like, this closed environment, which is the

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atmosphere, right? The atmosphere is, is a dome. And

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the flatters isn't gonna like this, it's dome. But like that,

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for tags, the you know, life itself with like, an

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electromagnetic field, it protects from the solar arrays,

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the radioactive solar arrays, right. So like, inside of this

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environment, we grew as this result of, of molecules and

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cart, organic molecules like carbon, and other things

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throughout billions of years. And now we're like, we're like,

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just like this, like, like this flee, you know, we're just like,

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just jumping out of the atmosphere, and we're going to

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another planet. This is like, completely unprecedented in this

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search cycle of things, you know, like, it's a life form,

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completely.

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Taking control of its destiny, in a way I'm saying, like, it's,

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it's completely different than everything that has ever before,

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but at the same time, the cycle is still happening. So it's like

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some of us through the natural selection of that's how history

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has happened throughout life, you know, entirely, some of us

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will still die inside of the cycle, while other members of

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our life form will go into another cycle, you know, so it's

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how it's been always like from going from tribes to countries,

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you know, when we started reaching a certain amount of

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population on the planet, then we started forming countries and

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all that stuff. First was kingdoms, right? Like we had

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kingdoms if you look like an England for example, England,

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the history of England is a nice way. I mean, not only England,

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but also Germany, you know, and Sweden and the entire Nordic

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area, right. So like

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If you look at that area, it's a perfect example of like, imagine

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the whole plan and what's your stat, take, put a notion

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everywhere else, you know, just in history, just imagine, humans

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only existed in that area there. You know, we had like, before

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the Vikings started attacking England, which is completely

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isolated by water, right? Like an island. When before the

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Vikings started attacking England had like, eight kings

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and

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nine kings or something, it was Wessex and a bunch of other I

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can't remember the all the names of the kingdoms. But like, it

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was only after the this external threat of the Vikings, almost

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like an aliens, right, that they started working together. And

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even through conflicts, even against themselves, right? Like

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they didn't want to work together. So but like, one king

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would like, you know, what, if we keep fighting among among

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ourselves, we're going to keep losing to the Vikings and stuff.

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So I know you're not going to stop fighting. So I'm going to

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kill you take over the power. And then as a one unified

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nation, I'm going to fight against the Vikings. But look at

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that, you know, like what, what, what's the result? Now in

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history, we have a country called England, right? And, and

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it's pretty much one unified nation, even all these different

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cultures and all that stuff. But like, it's the natural cycle of

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history, you know, like, we have to have lessons in history in

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order to create other solutions. So why do we know? That it for

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example, the Holocaust, why do we know that it's so bad, and

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that we have to do everything that we can to never happen

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again? It literally because it happened?

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You see my point? If it never happened? How would we know to

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protect ourselves from happening in the future?

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You know, so like, it's life itself, history will always

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continually happening, because we either learn from it to stop

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from happening again. We forget and it will happen again. Yes.

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If we forget, it's like it never happened, you know?

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Oh, that makes total sense. Yeah, even the form of Go ahead.

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Go ahead. Yeah, every, like horrible thing, like put it in

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very simple English that happened in the past, if we

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choose to learn from it, if we went through intense pain, and

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realized, Okay, now we got to change our course, we have to

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change how we think we have to become more aware, more

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sensitive.

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It is for the better. Of course, it was so bad. And we, yeah, we

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don't want to be living through it anymore, or not having people

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suffering, but it's part of life. And we can do everything

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to not make it repeat itself. It makes total sense. Yeah.

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Exactly. And like, even the whole concept of countries that

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we have now, right sovereignty, so the the ability that a

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country has to completely have control over over its own

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reality without suffering external influences. That's

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pretty much what sovereignty is, right? It's my country, I deal

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with my stuff. Even if there is a fire in the Amazon, you can't

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just walk in with your army and help us because we are a

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sovereign country, you know, so like,

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even a smaller country, that pretty much has no defense or

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anything, has the right to be protected because they are

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sovereign, you know, so like, let's say, with a small country

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out, they like Azerbaijan, you know, like if Azerbaijan gets

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attacked by another nation and stuff. We made an agreement like

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a club or literally as as the leaders of the countries that

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existed as a result of kingdoms and wars and a bunch of other

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stuff those countries started existing and after even more

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time before we continue having more conflicts because of the

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conflicts that were already happening like the first one war

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you know, we then got together and you know what, this is not

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sustainable. Like it's not like it used to be before that I have

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like all have this land between us and my little tribe here in

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your little castle over there with like 1000 soldiers and I

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have another 2000 soldiers and then we meet and then we fight

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by fight with like spears and stuff and it's my castle now,

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you know, like, it's not like that anymore. We have a lot of

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people a lot of people and everyone we have a lot of people

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die, and it's a foggy nightmare. So it's, it's just not

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sustainable. Sure there

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his money involved in stuff but like, even with the money

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involved in war, and all in all the interest is of creating war

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because of that. It's still not sustainable. Even those guys

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that want war, also know that too much war is a little

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problematic, you know? So they said, You know what, let's get

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together. And let's sign this document that we made a club,

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it's literally just a club, imagine, like, friends from from

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kindergarten got together, and you're like, every time we have

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a break, we're gonna come to this plastic castle here, and no

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one's gonna come in without a password. You know, I'm saying

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like, that's really what a club is, you know, the UN is a club,

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it's not a official thing, because it's not even sovereign

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on itself. It's just the result of international cooperation.

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You know? So

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because the the majority of the countries, which is 219, I think

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are in the UN. I think the total is 226 22. I don't know, there's

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some countries that are not in the UN, like Taiwan, Taiwan.

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Maybe confusing. But yeah.

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The island outside of China, Taiwan, I think it's I want.

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Yeah, so Taiwan is like a country on itself. But it's not

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part of the UN. So no one no one that's part of the UN, Brazil,

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Canada, Germany, no one recognizes Taiwan as a country,

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you know, no one, because they are not part of the UN. That's

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how it works. If you're part of the UN, everyone else recognizes

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each other as a country, as an official country, and therefore,

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sovereignty exists because they agree on creating sovereignty,

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because they also want sovereignty for themselves.

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Right. So it's like, we were constantly at this huge wave, we

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were constantly this huge wave throughout history, right. And

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then we kind of like, stabilized a little bit more with this with

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this cooperation, because, again, population numbers, we

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started reaching six, 7 billion people, you know, we're almost

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at eight, I think we paid 7.5. Alright, so we're close, getting

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closer to 8 billion people, you know, so like, the more people

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on the planet, the more of these social demands of peace, harmony

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started raising up more wars now are like, before, it was

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completely defined by the leaders of a country. And now

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it's like, if a leader of a country declares war, and then

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another country, there is enough population of civilians to

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completely take

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change the outcome of that war, you know, like, either forced

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the country to pull off the war, or other things, you know, like,

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there is a, an unprecedented weight on that, you know,

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there's a lot more weight on, on the on the power that the

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civilians have, because we are more powerful as people in our

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lives, too. We're not. We're not like the, you know, the farmers

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backing in medieval times that literally had wood, what would

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you do nothing. Now, like even a billionaire like Elon Musk can

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like really change the outcome of certain things, like with the

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Ukraine thing.

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His invention of internet satellites, really made Ukraine

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have a huge advantage over the war, because Russia would attack

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them trying to cut their communications, right, which

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makes strategic movements a lot harder if you don't have

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communication, proper communication. But then the

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whole internet is still working, because it's coming from the

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from, from from satellites, you know, and a lot of satellites,

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so it's not like Russia can just send a missile and destroy it.

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Even though they might be trying, but like, so like, it's

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it's one individual, one individual, it's not a country.

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It's not,

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you know, like, like, no other huge force, religion, people, a

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group of people, no, it's one person, literally one person

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that went through his own journey with his own goals, you

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know, like a useful goal for humanity, which is advancement

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of technology, you know, and other things. And he's using

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that to help and I'm saying, so, like, you have a difference,

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even when it comes to these people, right? You have like

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Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos. One is all about the money and

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himself and his own ego, right? Like he wants to, like show off

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and spend with futile things. And the other guy is like,

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walking barefoot, lives under the poverty line, like literally

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sleeps in couches and stuff. It's Elon Musk, you know, like,

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the guy doesn't have any money in his bank account. Like he

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literally doesn't liquidate anything. You know?

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all his assets are completely.

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I know, I totally agree. I just thought of Jeff and of course,

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what he represents as a, you know, personality is very

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extreme compared to Elon Musk. But think of the world

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without Amazon, like we would Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a

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solution. Yeah. Yeah. It's also something that he he is, you

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know, bringing to the world that we use, probably, I don't know,

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every day, every week, every month at least. And

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but he chooses to, to, yeah, present himself differently in

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this maybe not as humble as Elon Musk.

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So I just did make useful things for sure. Exactly. Actually.

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Even even his own like he's also competing against Elon Musk,

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where the whole space thing, right. And that's awesome.

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That's great. You know, like, even Elon Musk loves the whole

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thing. Like he's, like, excited for more competition, because it

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inspires him to be better. Like, oh, they're doing the Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah. Commercial little boy more. Yeah, yeah, it creates

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great things, if you don't let it crush you. And I love in

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everything you say, like I take so much more away from from what

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you say. But what I take away is that the individual is so much

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more powerful than we want to admit at times. And then we feel

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at times and this leads to my next question to you.

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How do you like how do you use media? How do you inform

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yourself? How do you keep the big picture in mind?

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Share with us to help people who are listening who are right now

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feeling Yeah, powerless and desperate, and everything is

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dark, every everything is gonna go down? What can we share with

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with the people who, yeah, feel a little more dark than a couple

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years ago?

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Well, I think everything starts with like, at least for me, I

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approach pretty much every information I have in reality

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itself from my stoic point of view. You know, stoicism is like

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a philosophy, not only influenced by the, the, what's

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his name, whatever story by name of the guy itself, but also

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influenced by Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, you know, in other

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philosophers and stuff, which are the ones I study more there

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is this, I forgot the name of the guy, but like, it's the guy

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that which the name story comes from, you know, but like, That

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guy I never really studied. I've always started mark as a realist

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in Seneca is my main stoic point of view, type of

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influencers, you know.

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And

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basically, what stoicism is always talking about is

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to, it's pointless to worry about the things that you don't

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have control over. You know, and, and, from that point on

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understanding the things that you don't have control over,

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even goes over understanding life itself, death and other

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things, you know, you always have to remind yourself, you're

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mortal, you know, and life is life, you know, it's part of

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there is there's things that you can't control, you have a

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choice, you either live life, understanding those things, or

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you will always be in pain, because of the things that you

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can control. It's a, it starts with that choice, you know, I'm

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saying, identifying those things, what is the reality? And

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what is the things that are inside of that reality that I

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can control?

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History is one of those things, and why were you not sad when

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other moments of history happened? Because you either

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weren't there or because you never really got to know about

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that, you know, so when you get to know about another piece of

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information, you have a choice of what you do with that, you

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have a choice to behave like okay, but if I didn't know this,

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would it be affecting me, and only I'm here in my country,

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things are working, and I hope things work out there, even if

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they get worse before they do, you know, but it is part of the

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getting better, you know, so like, even the whole conflict

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with Russia and example, like the way this is happening,

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it was unavoidable. It will happen it would happen any and

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in the future at any moment, you know, the same way as already

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started happening since years ago. You know,

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the whole conflict in that area is ancient, you know, like

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they're the Ukraine has been invaded since it was a kingdom.

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for 1000s of years, you know, and because of that conflict in

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that area. And for me, during that time in history, Ukraine

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once was part of the Soviet Union. But before the Soviet

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Union, they were independent as well, you know, so they got

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consumed by the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union took over

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for generations in there. And then the Soviet Union, lost the

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war and then got broken apart.

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Ukraine declared itself independent, and, and separated

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its history, again, from from Russia, but the whole thing is

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happening. And because, again, it hasn't been solved, it has

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always been is pushed forward, and, you know, like, but the

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threat always still exists is the whole ideology. Putin is a

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guy that since he took over, he talks about bringing the Soviet

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Union back in power, you know, like, it's an open discussion

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thing. It's not like, hidden from anyone and stuff, he talks

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about it,

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he talks about it in a way that's not gonna bring him any,

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any international issues. So he talks very softly about it. But

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you know, it's in his mind, it's, you know, it's part of his

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plan. And I would say,

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sylvatic union never really stopped existing, you know, they

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were forced to change their names, they were forced to

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follow under as a specific type of regime, you know, because of

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NATO and not 10, you know, like, the, the international community

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after the war is the conflicts took over, and like, forced them

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to stay in line, but the organization itself, the

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ideology, kept living on for generations, you know, so Putin

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is really still the result of that ideology, it's still the

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same Soviet Union mentality. So it would, the only way this

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would never happen is if one day, and he would die, and then

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some other democratic movement would take over in Russia,

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freedom of market, you know, freedom of living, you know,

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everything else being gay, and all that stuff. And if, like,

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the whole reality of Russia would change politically, but in

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even for that, it meant, it wouldn't be like, when they put

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in with his call for elections, and allow that to happen, you

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know, it would be either by a coup in a good start, so like,

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like a strike a government, like, you know, like, attack,

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right, like they would take over? Or

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are you him just having a health issue itself and dying, and then

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the power being thought of, by other people involved in and you

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know, and hopefully the right one taking over? So like, it's

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not a beautiful process, even when it would be happening would

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be like, Oh, that's nasty, you know, no one would like that. It

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would be like, oh, where's the world going out? You know, but

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it's going at the progress that it has to, you know, so like,

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even this whole conflict itself right now, that's happening,

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it's better to be happening now. I mean, I'm talking about again,

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like, oh, my god, are you saying that it's good? No. Again, we're

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looking at history from like, imagining the planet, you know,

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and like looking for 1000s of years and stuff, it's better to

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happen now, while we still have some kind of organization with

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the whole world and stuff. And then might be the last conflict

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between that that issue with the Russia and Ukraine. Because even

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the movement, this movement, strategically speaking, this

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whole movement that Putin did, is dumb, it's his final, like,

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it's gonna be his own undoing. You know, it's, it's literally

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his downfall. So like, he's going to either keep pushing,

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and then eventually win, and then take over, and then from

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that take over his territory is going to be breaking a bunch of

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international laws agreed by, because once he takes over and

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Ukraine becomes part of Russia, then his territory is too close

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to atomic bombs from the allies, atomic bones, bombs from the

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obtain and all that stuff. And that breaks a bunch of other

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rules and stuff. So he will demand those atomic bombs to be

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removed, you know, and then the Allies will be like, we're not

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going to remove them, you know, another conflict is gonna keep

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happening, because now his territory is too close that and

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he's going to demand those things and stuff. Or he's not

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going to win, which is most likely, there's no way he's

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going to take over Ukraine, because Ukraine is like, right

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now. It's a proxy war, right? No other countries can get involved

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because if they get involved, then it triggers a bunch of

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other international mechanisms of agreements of defense, you

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know, and stuff. So no, no other countries can get involved, but

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they can get involved by proxy, which means they can send

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weapons and technology

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Any information and money to Ukraine, you know, and help

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Ukraine hold off the threat. And so far, Russia is getting their

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ass kicked in. I mean, it's been bad for Ukraine and lots of

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destruction. Yes. But it is not going like Putin had imagined,

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puts in thought and it was in a week we're going to take the

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whole team three days, we're going to take the whole thing.

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No, he's like getting his ass kicked. He would say like,

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there's there's even one video that like three jets of Russian

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three, three Russian jets more advanced even got taken down by

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one jet of, of, of Ukraine, you know. And there's even this

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whole motivation behind it, right? Like the, the Russian

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Russian soldiers, they're being told that Ukraine is getting

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invaded by Nazis and communists, and you know, and there is a

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dictatorship going on and stuff.

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And so like, they're not super motivated, because they, it's

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kind of like you believe because you've been indoctrinated to

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believe in whatever the government tells you. But at the

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same time, you kind of know something's off, you know, so

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you're not really fighting with all your strength. But the

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Ukrainians are fighting with their souls for this, you know,

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so one jet fighter can take on that more advanced all the ones

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because they are at their right, they're feeling like I need to

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defend my country. And the Russians are just like, well, I

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gave I'm following orders, they told me to attack man. But

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they're not really doing with like, I need to go there and

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fight, you know, they're not fighting with their souls. So

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this war is not gonna go like, they will not win, you know,

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it's going to be destructive and stuff. But at some point, he

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will either have to retreat, or he will follow the, to someone

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inside of the government, someone inside of the

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government, even the army itself might be like, You know what,

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this is insane. I'm losing my man, and I'm losing everyone and

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stuff, you know, so like, we just gonna go and take, like,

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either kill him, or literally just take him out of power, put

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him in jail, throw him in some jail, secret jail, that no one's

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in Siberia in and no one's gonna know about it.

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So like, I mean, Napoleon, Napoleon was kind of like that,

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and no one killed Napoleon. Because it's a symbol of power.

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Like, if you kill that guy, that power just explodes everywhere,

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and people will fight for it, it's gonna be nasty. But if you

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just like, put him in a secret place, and no one knows about

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it, and it's like, well, he might come back, and like, I'm

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better just behave a little bit, you know, like, so people kind

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of hold back their, their ambitions a little more, because

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the guy is still alive. So, you know, but anyway, like, it's not

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gonna go too far, you know. And even another option is, he might

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misfire something, and hit another country, and hit another

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population, or even kill the member of another, another

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nation that's inside of Ukraine, and is important, like the

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leader of some Indian political party, you know, that's in

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Ukraine, I don't know anything like that. And by that, causing

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the other countries to get involved, not by proxy by

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directly, and then push him back to live, you know, and then take

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it get inside of Russia and take over like, like, like we did

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with Afghanistan and other countries, you know, like, Well,

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anyway, that might be the last conflict, that might be the

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conflict that we need in order for this to not happen again.

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Yeah. The same way as we had other moments in history. Yeah.

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It all makes sense. What do you say and but it's not in your

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control? No, it's not. It's not in my control. And I love the

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stoic approach

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that you shouldn't get to tangled up with things that you

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have no control over. I have a friend from from Calgary who

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actually flew to Poland and is now on to Ukraine to actively

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help. And I find that so incredibly cool, because he was

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just sick and tired of feeling powerless and Calgary in on his

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little farm there, having all the, you know, everything he

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needed, and decided to go and help and I find that, but

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look how unprecedented that is, right? Because that person is

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just one individual. Imagine 500 years ago, would that person be

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able to have the power to be like, I want to relocate my body

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to the other part of the planet? That would be hard as fuck.

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Like, that's a lot of power. And how does that power come from?

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airplanes, which is an advancement that we had through

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science through engineering.

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Through education in universities, allowing more

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people to have more information and then have a lot more

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engineers working on those things. Right. And but we're in

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the airplanes also used for war. Right after they were invented.

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I mean, they were actually, their advancement were pushed

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because of war. You know, like, before the war, they were just a

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prototype. And then the war came in, they were like, you know,

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that prototype, let's make that thing work better, you know,

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like, and then they just kept like, week after week, releasing

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new new airplanes, new airplanes, new airplanes, new

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airplanes. And then after the war, we were like, oh, let's

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make this nice commercial airplanes to take people to the

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other side of the planet. Yeah, because we learned from the

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lesson how to use the information we had in a better

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way. You know, we still have war airplanes. But you know, but we

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still making progress. Yeah, it's gonna take a lot more time

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for even not have those war ones. Yeah, yeah. And what I

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also loved what you said is, like, I imagined, Russia and and

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Ukraine as sparring partners, you know, martial arts, I love

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martial arts and to picture okay, the one guy has just

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hatred and wants to destroy. And the other guy was, he wants to

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have fun, he wants to conquer his opponent and be good at what

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he does. And the different intention that your sparring

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partners can have, is going to directly affect your outcome.

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I think that's what I understood what you said with it. And it's

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funny that you took it to martial arts because like I take

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a lot of my analysis from martial arts to

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brown belt of Kung Fu, yellow, which is not much in taekwondo,

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one year of Krav Maga when two years of Muay Thai, and I think

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that's a Oh, no, we didn't see come on kickboxing. Yeah, no, I

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don't like fullcontact. I never like to stand there and be like,

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I'm gonna grab you here and I'm gonna grab your leg, like I

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don't like before that I feel like kicking the guy's face. And

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it's my instinct is more like fast contact.

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But in any way, like kung fu is the one I advanced the most

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right? Like, almost got to Black Belt.

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By like, I did, I think like 80 years of kung fu in my life. And

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my master was very philosophical, you know, like,

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we learned a lot about like discipline, and respect, and all

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the things and even how to understand these conflict

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things. Right. I also read a lot of tsutsu, The Art of War, and

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it's kind of one of my favorite books. And it's a very simple

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one, you can literally read the whole thing in one afternoon.

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You know,

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it's very simple. It's just notes, quick notes. You know,

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it's not like complicated taxes or anything.

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By like, if you put that concept of like, the entire thing that

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teaches you with martial arts and all that stuff, like I

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analyze a lot of things like this, in martial arts is

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actually one of the first things to in my life that I realized

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that like, depression and sadness, or any type of things

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that you think you don't have control, because there's that

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too. You might be sure there's things that you don't have

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control, but there's some things that you think you don't have

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control. And you also have to watch out for those things. So

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you don't become like

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a communist, like someone, you know, comfortable zone, right?

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Like, oh, I can't do anything about it, right? That's kind of

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like a nihilism even, you gave up on thinking or doing

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anything, because you think everything you don't have

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control. But there's some things that you do have control your

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mental health, your reality, you know, even if he moves very

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slowly, but you can change your reality, in 10 years period, you

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can become anyone, any one, you know, you might be the person

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that just plays your game all day is overweight, and is bad at

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sports and all that stuff. But if you decide, then in 10 years,

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you will become the guy that runs in full on Adidas suit with

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his golden retriever at 5am in the morning, you know, running

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around that those people that you see in the morning, when

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you're driving to work any like that guy's running ads. I barely

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even know walking up already, you know, like, the guy's

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already running and jogging with his dog and stuff. You can

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become any type of person, any personality, any, you know,

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profile of type of person. You know, when you say like, I'm

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like this, this is my type of person. I'm introvert, I'm Dez.

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And

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I'm lazy, I will go by, you know, you can change the whole

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profile and become an entirely different person. You know, and

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And that's really like through these analysis of martial arts.

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So what's your favorite quote from Bruce Lee? Or any martial

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arts?

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Well, Bruce Lee actually one of the favorite ones I have is the

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one about water, right?

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Yeah, like

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it. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put

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water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. If you put water

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into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or

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you can crash. Be water, my friend. Yeah, I remember by

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heart.

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I could be sitting here for a couple more hours and listen to

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you. And I'm pretty sure we didn't disappoint our listeners.

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And I really feel my podcast wouldn't be complete if I didn't

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have you here because

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your words make total sense. I love where your brain goes. And

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I love how you explain things, how you express yourself. But

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your energy, like I wish someday we can put this on YouTube

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is so soothing and so close to saying fatherly brotherly and

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know your you love people, you went through extreme hardship, I

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wish I could hug Gabrielle from when he was seven years old and

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homeless.

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And tell him that he's going to become a wonderful pressures.

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Man, I wouldn't believe you. I wouldn't believe like, even if

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you went back 10 years ago, and told me the person I am today

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and know, everything that I do on a daily basis. I wouldn't. I

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would say like, meth, you're crazy. I hate mathematics. You

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know?

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Like, I wouldn't leave. I've always wanted to be a scientist,

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but like, back then it would be more like computer science, you

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know, but, but even that I kinda like I dropped out in and I went

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to study international relations, because I was too

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afraid of the math. You know, when I was like, taking already

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calculus three hours, am I? Why am I doing this? I don't see the

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point. You know, because I had a better education too. I might

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teach as my professors from the University back in Brazil, they

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were to just memorize this. Why for just do it, you know, they

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didn't really show, they didn't guide information as like, if

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someone like me, were to go back in time and talk to me about

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math, you know, and show me the point behind it, I probably

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would be marvelous, you know, like, it'd be like, Oh, my God,

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really? Oh, that like, I didn't see the point in like,

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how everything has a number, you know, like, everything,

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everything. And there is like these beautiful, pleasing

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coincidences of numbers in nature, you know, like, from

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ratios of sizes of planets to the strength of gravity, if

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gravity was like, a little bit weaker, planets would just

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started flow flying everywhere. If gravity was just a little bit

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stronger planets, which is followed to their stars and

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things would be like, completely chaos all the time. It's there's

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this mathematical balance, it's a number that you can calculate,

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and you find between mass and gravity, you know, the

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attraction is it's a mathematical balance. You know,

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so like, when you understand how numbers apply to these balances,

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it's, it's curious, you want to know more, you want to

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understand more, it's hard. Like, don't get me wrong, I suck

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at it. I'm really bad at math still, you know, but like, I

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study all the time, like, I'm always studying, like, what does

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it really like? And these things, I would not even dream

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of understanding. You know, like, I look at them, and I'm

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like,

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I understand that, you know, but why do I understand them?

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Because I pushed against the pain, you know, of? Yes. And I

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still do. Yeah, every time I'm gonna start studying. I'm like,

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Ah, it's gonna.

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Because, you know, it takes eight hours of studying for you

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to like, oh, oh, I understand this question now.

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But then next, next, next day, when you approach that same

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question, again, it's not eight hours anymore. It's going to be

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another eight hours for a new type of subject, new type of

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calculation. But then it's not going to be any more the next

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time. Yeah, so it's just like, you just have to keep pushing.

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It's kind of like the same thing with meditation. People say, Oh,

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I can do math, because you don't do math. Oh, I can't meditate,

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because you don't meditate. You know, like, if you don't

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meditate, it's not going to be like, Oh, I have the ability of

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sitting down and being like, ah, meditation. You know, if you

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never meditated before, like if you never meditated, even if

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you're a super calm person, I've seen it I've seen

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CNET, Let's meditate. The guy is like super calm. He always

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speaks like this, but never meditated in his own life. And

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then let's sit down and meditate. Sit down and design

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it can't focus can't like, can't like, let go of the body and

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relax. And I'm saying, always like, eating something, shaking

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something, or like checks the phone, you know, like, so a

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person that never meditates will never be able to meditate right

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away. It's about like, creating the habit of every day. And even

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maybe even removing the word like, when you put like, I'm

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going to meditate, then you put this pressure off a method of a

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process. Instead of saying, I'm going to meditate, I'm going to

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take some time to think

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that's basically and I'll just take five minutes, sit down and

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think about things that your mind wants to think, whatever

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thought comes, deal with it process the thought, slow down,

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you know, I mean, we're everyday driving everyday cooking, and

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talking to people and going to work. And like, we wake up at

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night phone, and then go and then do things that are good.

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And then we get to a point where you're like, I'm gonna sleep and

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then repeat everything the next day, right? But like, when do

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you allow yourself to think about what your mind wants to

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think that what I'm feeling? What is it that I'm feeling

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where I am? Where Am I Now, right now? You know?

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Am I okay? Am I happy? You know, like, and sometimes people say,

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like, I'm depressed, I don't know why. Because you haven't

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allowed your mind to find the why, you know, you're always

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running, running, running. So like, it's meditation. It's

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autopilot. Exactly. So like, meditation is literally just

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allowing yourself to sit down for a moment, and

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not have your mind think about anything else, that it doesn't

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have to just think about whatever it wants to think it's

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scary at first. Because sometimes, depending on how much

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you have bottled up, you're gonna have to face a bunch of

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really bad thoughts that on a daily basis, when those thoughts

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come, you just like, and then you do something else, and you

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go work and answer phone or you know, but when you're meditating

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for the first time, you're going to face those thoughts of like,

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the things that are making you anxious, and you don't want to

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deal with it. Sometimes it's even some work that you're

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putting off, or, or you dropped out of university or college,

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and it's way past beyond the time for you to go back. And

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you're like, feeling anxious in your life every day and feeling

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sad. And you don't know why it's because you're resisting to the

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movements that you have to do. Even in physics, you learned

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this, there's not a single thing that is still nothing is still,

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even if you grab, like, any piece of like, this, you it's a

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plastic, right, and you put inside it on top of a table

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completely

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not moving, is it still

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it's moving through space and time, at a velocity so high,

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that it creates matter, that it becomes matter. You know, saying

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like, the planet, the solar system, everything's moving

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through a fabric of reality, you know, the solar system is

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largest. And that's another thing like, right, when you when

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you look at these things, it kind of brings some peace first,

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it's scary, but like after you understand that there's these

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much, much bigger things they knew, you know, much bigger

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forces, and you're just part of this mechanics, you know, then

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you you understand that. It's, it's literally what life is all

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about, you know, so like, the solar system itself. It's not

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just this thing that we keep imagining from school, like

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sitting there and some plants moving around. And that's it,

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you know, no, it's this raging thing that's moving through

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around the galaxy. When dinosaurs existed, when

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dinosaurs existed, it was on the other side of the galaxy,

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literally on the opposite side of the galaxy, in distances that

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we can't even comprehend you human mind, like traveling or

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even seeing at the other side of the galaxy is impossible, you

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know, because all the light that is in the way, you know, all the

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debris and particles and dust and everything, it's impossible

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to see anything. So it's literally millions of light

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years away, you know, and like, meaning the distance that light

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would take to travel in millions of years, you know, you release

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light. Anyway, millions of years, that distance is how far

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the dinosaurs were, you know, like it's on the other side of

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the galaxy. So like, we're moving around that and even the

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galaxy itself is also moving through space, you know, and

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that's

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so

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Like, we're we're literally just existing because our matter is

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moving at such speeds, that it's vibrating into existence. You

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know? So like you're made of atoms, right? These atoms are

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always vibrating. But like, they're literally emptiness,

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your hand is made of 99.999% vacuum, nothingness, literally,

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and why can't you go through objects? Right? Why can't you go

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through your phone or your table or anything if it's 99% vacuum,

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because it's vibrating at such speeds that it exists is in all

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places at the same time. In this reality, if you analyze the

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atom, at an atomic level, at a quantum level, you're going to

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see the atom vibrating, and occupying this huge area by

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vibrating so fast that it's going everywhere, right? But

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like, if you put a bunch of all the other atoms together, and

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they were vibrating like this, they occupy a space so big, that

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when you come to this dimension of our reality, it's matter

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solid matter, you know, but like, imagine, for example,

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perfect example for this ice cube, and liquid water. Why can

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you make them go through each other? Because they're vibrating

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at a different level? You know, but why can't you bake make one

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nice, go through the other ice, because they're vibrating at the

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same level. So they can't go through each other? You know,

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same thing, you can walk through the atmosphere right now there

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is it's not like here, there's air, some people will say,

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there's air here. And some people will say there's nothing

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here, right? Depends on how they see reality. They'll say, oh,

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there's nothing between us. Or they say, oh, there's just air

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between us, I say there's an ocean of gases between us. You

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know, because that's what I see. I see us submerged by a notion

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of gases. And this ocean of gases, you can really weight,

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the weight of the, of that pressure on you. And it's about

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three kilos, every inch or something, say cubic

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centimeters. You know, so like, it's the weight of air itself,

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because you're literally under the water, your body evolved to

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push that against, you know, so everything's like a balance, you

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know, say, like, when you understand these things, you

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know that you're not just existing, you know, you're like,

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literally the manifestation of meta into consciousness.

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You know, like your atoms, your atoms, what a tree is made off,

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what a tree is made off, people would say, it's made of water.

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It's made of light, I've seen people say it's made of light,

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it's a good intuition. Like, I like thinking, photosynthesis,

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it's made of light. No, that would be a lot of energy to make

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matter as dense as wood and leaves out of pure light.

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The tree is made of carbons.

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Basically, it's an eight, nine something percent carbon. And

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then there is like other other materials, other ingredients,

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right, like, like even oxygen itself, carbon monoxide, carbon,

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carbon monoxide, and other things. So like the tree is made

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99% of carbon. And that carbon comes from the soil, the plant

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in itself, basically, you know, and the carbon that comes from

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that also wants came from other trees. Right? That's how we,

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when we want to prepare a farm or something, we're going to

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throw a type of fertilizer that is based on other carbon life

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forms. Like like FISAs, for example, it's basically as

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putting a very rich in, in in carbon and other things and

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other nutrients, soil onto the earth so that the tree can grow

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and take those nutrients out to form itself, right? Same thing

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as you as a human.

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throughout your lifetime, I think it's up until you're like

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20 years old or something. When you're 20 or something. Your

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whole body is already a whole new body. It's not the same body

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that came out of your mom. It's not you know, not even one

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single cell was in there in your mom anymore. Because you lose

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all your cells, and you replenish them with new ones,

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bone cells, skin cells, hay, all that stuff. You replenish all of

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that throughout your life. So imagine if you only eat

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McDonald's your whole life. What are you made of when you're 20

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Ramen of McDonald's?

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Exactly. You made off whatever molecules were inside of that

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food that you ate, you know. So you are what you eat, you know,

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the same way as your mind is what you consume. So you have

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like it there is a

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there's a correlation of all of these things.

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So like, and even even these items, go, go go.

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I love what you just said. And I love how you, you describe the

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Yeah, what the tree is made of what we are made of, and that

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our mind is what we consume. And then when you look at the the

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atoms and carbon, everything that is around us, and our

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consciousness, and how we can change our perspective on those

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material things that we think that are lifeless, you know, is

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is a whole whole new topic that I would like you to come back to

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the show and talk about it. But today, unfortunately, we have to

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come to an end, I feel very rude to Yeah, no, no problem. If you

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let me I speak for hours. Yeah, so it's,

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it's beautiful to listen to you. Let me let me just close a

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little bit of that thought of the of the actual thing. So

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like, the carbon that you're made of, and that came from

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trees, and all that stuff like, all of these, what's important

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of understanding is that there's a finite number, you know,

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because there's not a single atom that is created by life. So

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like, if you have a kid, right, we've run out, you grow a kid,

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and then you have that kid and the kid grows, that kid is not

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new carbon, it's really just made off the carbon that you

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consumed throughout your life, because when you have a child,

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it's going to extract some of your own new nutrients. And it's

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also going to extract some of the nutrients that you consume

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while you eat. Right. So you have to have a different diet

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and all that stuff. So like, all of that those carbons, and all

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that stuff also came from other things. And if you keep tracking

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everything, it goes back to stars itself, you know, so like,

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literally, the carbon and all the molecules that you made of,

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they are the result of a

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physic physics process, a chemical process called Fusion,

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right. So it's like, it's an unimaginable amount of energy

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that we're now discovering, we're creating fusion reactors,

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for the first time in history, we're still testing them, but

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they're kind of working, we can't really stabilize the

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energy because it's a lot of energy, it's pretty much

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creating a sun itself, because the sun is a star, and the star

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is the only thing in nature capable of creating that process

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of fusion, you know, so like, every single piece of item that

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you made of came from stars that blew up and then became gases,

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and then formed into planets and fell into the atmosphere, and so

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on, so forth, right? So meaning, there is a finite number of

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things for everything. Even if you had too many humans alive on

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the planet. That means you extracted all of that from the

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soil, and it's in the bodies of people, you know, I'm saying. So

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you, you are extracting from a limited source, you know, carbon

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and molecules and everything, it's limited. It's always, I

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mean, we have huge amounts of it. But there is a limit, you

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know, there is a limit. So if we put like 32 billion people on

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the planet, and those people also have to consume even more,

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and all of this stuff, it's not sustainable. That's why it's

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important for us to keep evolving, going to further

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developments, you know, like, even going to other planets, it

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might be ridiculous, it might sound like, oh, it's gonna be

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for rich people and stuff. No, no, you might even at the

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beginning. Sure, so what? So it was every other type of

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expansion of our life, you know, when we went to other countries,

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and he explored all the continents with the conflicts

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and all that stuff. But, you know, we're learning from all of

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that. And we keep we have to keep going, because it's all

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limited. But the whole universe has a lot more to offer for us.

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So yeah, basically, just remember that everything's

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connected, you know, the universe, everything reality,

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you know, and you're made of the reality itself. Stars blew up.

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And then everything came to came together to then form a life

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form. The first unicellular light life form, right, like one

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so and then that's how it multiplied and then eventually

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became a group of cells that then kept evolving, and then

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started thinking, I'm depressed.

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And I'm saying,

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Yeah, because he forgot the whole connection of life itself.

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Imagine Do you think animals animals, that's an perfect thing

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that came? I have to say that. I know we're extending you a

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little bit but like, the whole thing of analyzing how animals

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perceive reality, animals are always in the present. You know,

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they don't have the complexity of like the complex mind of like

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approaching reality and and suffering by anticipation. You

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You know, suffering by imagination? This might happen

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tomorrow, where's my life going? No, you're just, I had to eat.

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You know, that's the only thing that goes through their mind I

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have to eat. Basically, they're just living in the present,

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right? And they don't, the only way an animal can perceive

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depression is if you torture an animal, you know? So imagine

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this, what what does that say about depression? It means that

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if you're feeling depressed, you're feeling tortured, and

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you're feeling tortured. Why? Because you're not expressing

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your life purpose. You know, like, in the same way, as an

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animal, an animal feels happy, because it's, it's doing what

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it's meant to do, you know, like, it's connected in His own

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purpose of, of his instincts and, and his desires. And he

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goes, after he gets the food, and he feels happy, and he keeps

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going, it doesn't feel sad that he has to sleep under the rain

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on a forest by a tree, you know?

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Because he doesn't desire these other things of like, more

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comfort and all that stuff. He doesn't complicate reality in

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life in itself. So it's a matter of everything's choice. That's

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why it's a choice of how you perceive it. How you go about

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it, you know, it's not like a choice that you feel depressed?

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No, it's a choice of how you perceive what is causing your

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depression and what you do about and, and all of that stuff.

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What a beautiful closing, I'm glad that you brought up the

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animals because I can totally see this being true. And

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we can learn lots from the animals, we can learn lots from

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other people who go through depression and learn from their

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perspectives. And thank you so much for for all your energy

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today. I'm sure you must feel exhausted now. Or even more

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energized than ever.

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more energized more. This is great. This is great. And

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it reminds me you know, yeah, no, this is great. And people

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have to hear this. People have to, you know, sometimes be

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sucked out of water and drink water. Stay hydrated. And yeah,

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I'll have you back here with us. All right. Yeah. To me, it's not

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even like a brush or anything. I'm just here having a

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conversation. So whenever you want to have that call, we can

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have a call.

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Well, this was one of the longest interviews I ever had

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here.

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I hope you got a lot of value out of it. I think my main

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takeaway is that we need to open our minds we need to be willing

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to see another person's perspective and sometimes in

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doing so, and letting go of our grip

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of our opinions. We feel better, we feel more connected.

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Alright, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go for now. Take good care.

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If you want to connect with Gabriel. I will put all the

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links into the show notes and I'll be out there for you very

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soon again. Bye bye.

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