Episode 36: Classic Ogden
Welcome to another hard-hitting episode of The JudgeMental Podcast with your hosts, Hugh and Christine—the legal minds behind the revolutionary app and website, judge-y. This week, they dive deep into the latest controversy surrounding Judge Lauren Ogden and the Kentucky family court system.
In this episode:
Hugh and Christine break down a shocking case where Judge Ogden granted emergency custody to a grandparent, bypassing due process and Kentucky law.
The hosts discuss the trauma inflicted on families and children when judicial power is abused.
They analyze the Court of Appeals’ scathing rebuke of Judge Ogden’s actions and what it means for judicial accountability.
Personal stories and professional insights from two lawyers determined to bring transparency and reform to the courts.
A candid conversation about the broader pattern of misconduct and the urgent need for consequences.
Key Takeaways:
Why due process matters in family court—and what happens when it’s ignored.
The real-life impact of judicial decisions on children and parents.
How the legal community and the public can push for change.
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:Yeah.
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:Christine: She should be
removed from the bench.
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:Welcome to the Judgmental podcast.
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:Yeah.
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:Do you agree?
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:Hugh: I don't think there's any, I don't
think you could see it any other way.
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:I mean, we are at the point where.
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:It's gotten so bad and you wonder,
you know, that this just has
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:to be happening all the time.
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:Right?
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:If you have a judge who will just
blatantly ignore the law, ignore the
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:statutes, and who gets rebuked by the
court of appeals over and over and over
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:again for violating due process and then
continues to do it, I don't think that
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:there is any hope that it gets better.
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:I just don't.
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:Christine: Right.
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:And I just, at this point, it's hard for
me to believe, and we're talking about.
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:Another emergency relief motion was
granted by the Kentucky Court of
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:Appeals against Judge Lauren Ogden.
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:This is the second time that's
happened this year within
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:the 12 month period, right?
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:Hugh: Yeah, and I don't, , I know that
I had heard of it happening before, but
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:I practiced 20 years and I can't recall.
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:A time where emergency orders were
issued like this in family court?
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:During my practice,
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:Christine: yeah.
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:I practiced 15 years.
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:Not all family, and I
don't recall it either.
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:This case, if it's possible, and we
haven't gotten the video yet, I've
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:requested it, but if it's possible
for a case to be worse than the
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:baby case, I think this one is.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:So to, to set the stage, there
was a dispute between a biological
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:parent, a mother, and a grandparent.
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:Grandma.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Hugh: And they were fighting
over custody, grandma.
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:Well, they weren't really
fighting over custody.
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:, There was parenting time to grandma.
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:Yeah.
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:That had been, granted agreed to, and
mom and the child moved to Nevada.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Grandma files a motion through
her attorney files a motion.
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:Seeking to hold mom in contempt for some
alleged violations of the agreement.
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:And the prior orders.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:So a hearing is set for that motion.
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:Grandma and her attorney show up.
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:Mom is not there.
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:Mom has no attorney there.
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:The judge asks about service upon mom.
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:It's talked about that
mom now lives in Nevada.
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:Yeah.
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:And isn't at the
Louisville address anymore.
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:And the attorney assures the court that
she emailed mom and instead of looking
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:and saying, well, mom's not here.
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:Maybe we should reach out.
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:Maybe we should get in touch with her.
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:Maybe we should contact any attorney
that's represented mom, right.
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:Or anything like that.
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:The judge decides,, we'll just go forward.
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:Not really with a hearing, but
with a discussion and make some
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:decisions related to this child.
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:Christine: And so, yeah, I mean, and
it's so basic that I would say my,
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:if we taught family law at a high
school, you would understand that
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:pursuant to Kentucky law, grandparents'
rights, like you cannot, unless a
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:person waives their superior right.
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:To custody, grandparents
don't have anything.
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:Hugh: No.
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:And, and in, in Kentucky there is
a way, and this is the there's a.
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:Uniform custody law.
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:That's, yeah, there's some version of it
in every state, and that's very similar.
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:There is a way for non-parents,
third parties to get custody
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:over a child, and apparently
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:Christine: in Lauren Ogden's
court, sorry to interrupt, it's
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:just by saying that mom's crazy
and not getting someone service.
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:Hugh: No, that's true.
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:So it is , very specific because the right
to parent your child is a fundamental.
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:Right under the United States
Constitution, it is one of
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:It is one of the most protected rights.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:So in order for a third party to
get any kind of custodial rights,
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:there has to be an emergency.
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:There's certain ways for there
to be emergency jurisdiction.
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:The child has to be
within the jurisdiction.
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:The emergency has to be ongoing,
and it's very short term.
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:But to get, you know, custody
as we generally discuss it.
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:You have to be what's
called it a facto custodian.
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:So you have to prove that you've been
the sole caretaker, , sole caretaker
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:for a child, for a requisite period
of time, and it's usually, it's
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:either six months for very young
children or a year for older children.
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:Now, apparently that was just, that
was inconvenient for Judge Ogden,
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:and she just bypassed it ignored,
all statute ignored due process,
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:service of emotion on the other party.
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:And granted emergency custody to grandma,
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:Christine: to a child that was
living in another jurisdiction.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:She entered an emergency custody order.
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:I don't even, for a child that she
couldn't even establish, she had
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:jurisdiction over, I mean, there
was an ongoing case and the court of
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:appeals, you should read this opinion.
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:And the writ is still pending.
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:Now, a writ is a extraordinary,
extraordinary, you're seeking
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:extraordinary relief that's
different than emergency relief,
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:and writs are rarely granted.
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:No, I agree.
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:We've seen Ritz granted against this
judge, but at this point, she either
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:knows what she's doing, which is
terrifying, or she has literally no
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:idea what she's doing whatsoever.
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:Which is terrifying.
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:Either way, she needs to
be removed from the bench.
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:She essentially allowed a third
party non custodian to kidnap and
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:traffic this child across state lines.
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:I am not even being facetious or dramatic.
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:Hugh: No, I agree.
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:That's actually what happened.
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:So here, grandma came in,
said, mom moved out of this.
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:State for some alleged that she
might have some mental health
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:stuff and she moved for some guy.
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:Christine: hold on one second.
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:Let's read that quote.
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:Grandma went on to testify in
relevant part about the day she
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:discovered that mom had left Kentucky.
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:Grandma believed that mom had moved for
quote, some guy and her belief that mom
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:had undiagnosed mental health issues.
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:Yeah, that's enough.
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:No service.
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:That's enough.
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:Hugh: Well, yeah, that was
enough for Judge Ogden, but.
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:, We have to discuss that there are
also statutes that govern whether
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:or not the court has continuing
jurisdiction over a child once the
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:child's not in the jurisdiction and
no parent is within the jurisdiction.
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:The judge, so here the judge is
presumably ruling on contempt , and
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:trying to get around the custody
laws by granting custody to grandma
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:as a punishment for contempt.
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:Can't do it, instead of establishing that
she has custody over the child anymore.
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:And custody over the case because
you No, I mean, I don't see anything.
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:The mom is not, in the state.
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:Nothing talks about dad in here and
the child's no longer in the state.
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:So instead of looking at whether
or not grandma would qualify for
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:custody, mind you that grandma has
never filed a motion stating that
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:she has any grounds for custody.
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:Christine: Yeah, I
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:Hugh: mean, it sounds, she's even
alleged that she's a defacto custodian.
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:The judge just decides.
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:Well, I'm gonna ignore that and
not even get into the rules that
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:would allow grandma to have custody.
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:I'm just gonna grant it
even though mom's not here.
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:And it's clearly obvious that she has no
idea that the hearing has taken place.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:I think they even went so far
as to conspire to have it done.
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:It says that the family court
engaged in what was essentially a
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:brainstorming session with grandma's
attorney regarding how they could
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:get the child into grandma's custody.
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:The family court acknowledged
that its contempt powers were
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:limited outside of Kentucky.
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:However, if there were a custody
petition pending, it could
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:award grandma emergency custody.
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:Yeah, that is a conspiracy to violate.
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:Well established law.
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:Hugh: Yeah, and I mean, the fact
that the judge is conspiring , and
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:speaking with counsel and a party
on how to take a child from.
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:The mother and doing this without
the mother being present and without
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:ensuring that notice was proper.
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:So the assurance that the mother
was personally emailed doesn't meet
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:the standard for service unless the
mother has elected electronic service.
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:So the judge first should have
addressed whether service was pro
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:proper that was completely missed.
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:And this is not me saying that right.
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:This is the court of appeals saying,
failed to exercise due diligence to
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:ensure Bianca had been properly served,
an omission that undoubtedly resulted in
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:the unnecessary and disturbing disruption
of the stability of the child that could
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:have and should have been avoided if
the court had fulfilled this basic duty.
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:So first of all, making sure
somebody knows about a hearing
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:was just too much trouble.
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:For Judge Ogden the court went on to
say, overlooking and failing, failing
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:to consider any of the relevant
statutes concerning its jurisdiction
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:or an award of temporary custody.
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:Yeah, so she gave this child to grandma
without looking at any custody statute
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:or whether she even had continuing
jurisdiction over this child.
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:Christine: The court of appeals
even says, she doesn't even
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:mention the verbiage best interest.
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:Hugh: No.
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:She makes a custody order.
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:Ignoring all Kentucky Law on custody.
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:And so here's the result, folks.
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:We've got this hearing took
place in April of this year.
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:Grandma went and filed the order from
Judge Ogden in Nevada and domesticated it,
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:which means it's in, makes it enforceable
in Nevada, which I'm sure there were
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:probably problems with that as well.
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:And then went in May and
got the kid from school.
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:So the biological mom, mom has no idea
that this has even been domesticated.
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:She, in a plea, a follow up pleading.
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:Testified that she didn't realize
that any of this had happened or
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:that this hearing had happened until
she went to go pick her child up.
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:And so this was, this order just came out
on October 13th, this emergency order.
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:So since the child was picked
up from school May in Nevada, in
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:May, mom has not seen her child.
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:Christine: No.
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:And I mean, the reality
is like this is one.
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:A little 9-year-old girl went to school
one day and Judge Ogden gave an order,
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:She didn't see her mom.
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:I mean, in the file it says the
little girl had younger siblings.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Like, I, I don't,
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:Hugh: it's not like her bags were packed.
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:She had any of her stuff.
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:She, I imagine, had her
school completely disrupted.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:I mean, and then just the notion
that like, it gives me chills, like
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:it, you could actually cry, like the
trauma that this family experienced.
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:Where it's like, what, what
are the siblings being like,
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:well, where did sissy go?
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:Like, , I like what the f Yeah,
what is wrong with people?
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:I can't, and what's so crazy about this
case too is Ogden had the same thing
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:happened in April, and we posted about it.
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:I posted about it on my social media.
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:It got over a million views.
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:It was so egregious how she made this
dad give a baby back in open court to a
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:mom without proper notice for a hearing.
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:And it obviously went viral and people
were saying a lot of stuff to the judge
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:and this decision was made after that.
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:Hugh: Yeah, I mean, it was made after
Berton and Adair where the judge
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:sat there and just discussed with
the FOC and one side of the case
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:without the other party present.
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:Just discussed what to do and
wrote an order before even letting
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:the other side into the hearing.
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:This is essentially the same thing.
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:You're not, you have not made sure
that someone had notice or the
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:ability to be in a hearing and
you've basically had a powwow with
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:one side and kidnapped a child.
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:Try to figure out how to go take
a child from another jurisdiction
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:Christine: from her mama, like you're
not even, and it even said in there
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:that, well, the mom provided all
the transportation to school, but
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:I basically did everything else.
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:So you were the babysitter?
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:Hugh: Yeah, I mean that, I mean
there's, there's plenty of case
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:law in Kentucky that says that
is not de facto custodianship.
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:You don't get to do that.
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:Christine: But so in Ogden's
court, like if a mom works like
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:a lot, like I, and I know Ogden
probably didn't work growing up.
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:She grew up at the silver spoon.
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:And I do think that matters for
the purpose of this conversation
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:because she has no idea.
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:She just disrupted a family.
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:She tore a.
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:Sibling from their siblings,
a child, from their mother
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:Hugh: out of school, out away from
friends, away from everything stable.
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:Christine: Because she wanted to.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:'cause she wanted to.
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:Christine: And you know, she
grew up with a silver spoon.
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:Very wealthy, very well to do.
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:And those are just the facts
without , the notion that she
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:I mean, it's just enough
to make you physically ill.
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:And honestly, I don't, obviously we
go on and on and on on this platform.
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:People, you can't take the law
into your own hands, but can you
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:imagine the hysteria if you went
to pick up your 9-year-old child?
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:No, they were gone.
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:They were thousands of miles
away and a court had done it.
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:Hugh: No, , and I mean, what
we really have, and I know
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:I'm not the one that usually.
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:You know, goes to extremes here,
but we have a judge who doesn't
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:She doesn't care.
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:The court of appeals keeps
saying over and over, she's
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:violating people's due process.
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:She's not following the law.
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:And here, once again, in an emergency
order, the court says this court is not
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:often presented with custody disputes
in which a family court has blatantly
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:violated a parent's due process rights.
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:Oh, except for.
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:The last couple cases we've
discussed on here in front of
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:Judge Ogden, where they've said
she's done the exact same thing.
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:Yeah.
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:And this says, without any consideration
of or reference to relevant law.
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:In doing so, the family court essentially
facilitated the bodacious action of
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:a non-custodial to remove a child
from its mother in another state.
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:So this is just, this is not
supposed to happen in America.
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:This is what the courts
are supposed to prevent.
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:This is what our law is supposed
to prevent, and we have someone
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:who just doesn't care and is
gonna do whatever she wants.
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:Take her up to the court of
appeals, get her overturned.
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:It clearly is not going
to make a difference.
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:So, and how much, how much
do we have to sit here?
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:And I mean, , I guarantee you
people will be reaching out to us.
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:'cause this has happened to them in
front of this judge because, and, but.
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:People aren't talking about it, but we're
talking about this and there will be more
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much we have to have to watch happen.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:How many kids does she have to take
from the parent before somebody before
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:there are consequences where she doesn't
get to make these decisions anymore?
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:I mean clear.
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:I really think the FBI, that would
be who needs to get involved.
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:I'm not even like she that
it is crazy if you can.
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:She can't not know.
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:I'm sorry.
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:, I'm at a loss for words.
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:Like
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:Christine: It's one of those
where you're like, e she knows
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:Hugh: she has to make a finding of
best interest through change custody.
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:She knows that's 1 0 1.
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:That's as basic as it gets.
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:The fact that she did this
either is just because she,
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:I mean, I, I can't explain it.
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:Why, why would you want to do this?
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:That's
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:Christine: what I'm saying.
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:Why would you wanna do this?
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:Like.
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:And this is the second time that a
grandma has been involved because the
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:grandma was involved in the baby case too.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:Christine: And it's like
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:Hugh: grandma was involved
in the Adair case.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Which I guess that was a
different judge, but it's like,
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:Hugh: yeah, but what?
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:Yeah, it is a different judge.
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:But this is the same pattern
I've seen in multiple.
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:Multiple divisions in the family court.
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:This one is just, is this
intentional or is it stupidity?
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:This is just the worst.
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:I don't know because What would be, what
would be the rationale for doing it?
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:Intentionally saying, violating the
law for these particular parties?
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:Does she know these parties?
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:Does is it for the attorney?
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:I don't know.
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:I don't have any indication
that that's the case.
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:Is, I
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:Christine: mean, is there a kickback
I can, is there money involved?
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:I
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:Hugh: can't imagine that
it's just incompetent.
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:She's been there for years.
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:This is one of the most
basic tenets of family law.
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:Unless you have just lost your grip
on reality, there's no reason in the
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:world you would grant custody to a
non custodian third party without
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:any consideration for the law.
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:Christine: And not even that obviously.
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:For sure.
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:But to go a step further to.
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:Help a non custodian in how to strategize.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:Christine: To get an emergency order to
rip a little girl from her mama and her
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:siblings for five months, and this is five
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:Hugh: months.
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:This is the kind of thing that you see
in family court that you, that I've never
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:seen in other courts, where on the record,
judges will sit and think out loud, think
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:through ways to do this, collaborate
with the attorneys on how to get a goal.
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:Basically give guidance to one side
to get the end that they're seeking.
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:Instead of saying, we're here for a
hearing, it's your burden of proof.
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:Go.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Convince me.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Hugh: Oh, no, no, no.
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:I just, well, let's just talk it through
and I'll tell you exactly what you need
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:to do to win and to take this child.
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:How the hell is that a hearing?
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:Christine: And what you said last
night when we talked about this case,
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:when we finally got our hands on it.
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:You said verbatim.
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:This is classic Ogden.
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:Hugh: I mean, if, if you had read
me this emergency order and taken
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:the name of the judge out of it,
I would've bet you $100,000 that
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:it was one of two judges on there.
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:And she would've been
my number one choice.
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:Well, the big, so that means something.
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:It is just, that's the pattern.
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:That's what we've come to
expect out of Division four
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:Christine: and how many
lives has she destroyed.
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:And then here's the other thing
about Judge Ogden, and you know,
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:honestly, I'll be brutally honest.
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:Y'all know that there's a particular
judge that I'm not BFFs with, right?
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:If you know, you know
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:Hugh: the Instagram judge, right?
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:Christine: Oh, man.
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:She'd be so excited if you, she thought
she could get followers on Instagram.
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:But I digress.
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:So, damn.
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:Ogden has always been kind to me.
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:Me too.
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:She's always been kind.
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:Dude.
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:Hugh: I'll get birthday
messages on Facebook.
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:She's a, she's a sweet,
soft spoken person.
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:I've never gotten across word from her.
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:Ever outside of when we litigated
one case against each other?
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:Christine: No.
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:And, and this is what's so difficult,
but right is right, and this is
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:where like, you know, you don't
go to the racist cops fish fry.
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:Right.
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:You know what I mean?
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:The other cops like,
Hey, you're, you're an.
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:You can't condone this kind of stuff.
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:And I think the family bar's
gotta be like, enough is enough.
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:Like you, I agree, and I don't
want anything, quote unquote.
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:She's independently wealthy.
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:She doesn't have to work a day in
her life, you know, she'll be fine.
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:Hugh: I, I'm not worried about that.
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:I'm worried about the fact that
we have someone on the bench who
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:doesn't give a crap about the law.
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:Like, oh yeah, yeah.
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:Follow the law.
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:I don't care if you have to live
in your car once you lose your
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:job, you shouldn't have your job.
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:Christine: Totally.
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:No 1000%, but like 1000%.
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:But she doesn't stand to lose anything.
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:And it's like, y'all gotta stop
going to her mimosa brunch.
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:You gotta stop encouraging
this bad behavior.
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:You have to say enough, she needs
to be removed from the bench.
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:I, I don't even know y'all, the fact
that this mother, I mean, she tried to
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:litigate in Nevada and Nevada's like.
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:What's going on apparently, according
to this, you know, and again, this is an
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:emergency relief order, so this is done
quickly and it's so rare and there are
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:Hugh: very, very specific rules
that have to be followed that
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:she is completely ignored.
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:Christine: Yes.
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:Like, I mean, just it's wild
to even think that the Court of
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:Too in this climate where there's a lot
of call for judicial accountability in
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:Kentucky, the court of appeals is very
aware of who we are, what we're doing.
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:And you know, there's a lot of talk
that judges protect other judges, and
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:this was just so blatantly egregious
that they had to be like, yeah.
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:Hugh: I, I think they get this
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:Christine: child back
to her mother right now.
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:They
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:Hugh: have had no problem in recent
decisions telling Judge Ogden
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:that she needs to follow the law
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:Christine: because it's terrifying.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:I don't know.
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:I mean, the court of appeals
can't do anything else.
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:But shout from the rooftops that
we're gonna keep overturning you
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:and pointing out your deficiencies.
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:They can't, they're not gonna,
they can't remove her No.
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:From the bench.
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:So they're doing all that they
can and they're pointing out
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:these very obvious things.
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:But , I mean, to your point, the.
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:The family bar and the
bench needs to address this.
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:And, and I make assumptions
that when something.
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:That's this extraordinary
happens that everyone over there
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:in court is talking about it.
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:Yeah.
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:I don't know that that's actually
the case, but to make it easy,
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:I'm going to send this out to
all of you to read this order.
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:I'm going to email a copy out to everyone
because this is what is happening
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:with the person that you're going to
events with and going to lunches with
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:and doing posts on social media with.
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:This person is stealing kids.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:Hugh: That's what's happening.
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:She's helping people go to other
states and take kids without following
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:the law and it's making the entire
family court system look horrible.
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:Christine: I And, and you And
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:Hugh: illegal.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:And you don't know how
this family will recover.
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:Like you don't know the trauma
that happened to the siblings.
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:You don't know the trauma or
what this little girl was told.
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:You know that the relationship between
this mother and grandmother is probably.
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:You know, people have
problems amongst families.
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:I've had problems amongst family members.
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:I mean, you're not human if you haven't
had fights with family and done things.
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:But to this level, I don't think
there's any coming back from it.
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:And just the trauma, the
long lasting trauma Yeah.
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:That this woman did to that little
girl, her family, that mother.
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:It's just,
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:Hugh: well, and, and one of the
other things that, you know, we've
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:not just read this emergency.
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:Order.
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:We've read the pleadings surrounding it.
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:We've read the pleadings that have filed,
been filed since mom has asked to appear
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:remotely from Nevada because she has other
kids that are there, and it's a hardship.
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:And grandma's attorney fought hard
to either continue the case so that
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:mom didn't get to have a hearing on
getting the her child back and or to
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:not allow her to testify remotely and
put up a huge fight, and it's just.
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:All of that just, it's
it sick looks so bad.
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:Christine: It's sick.
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:And let's like, okay, let's set the stage.
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:We'll wrap up after this, but
like, this was an emergency motion.
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:So mom loses her kid in May is trying to
litigate this according to this order.
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:Somehow in Nevada, right?
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:So then she goes to Kentucky or like
goes to Kentucky courts and is like,
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:I never got notice of any of this.
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:Oh my gosh, the email was wrong.
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:I didn't live there and there
was everything you sent me
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:was returned undeliverable.
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:And so they have a hearing or they
have something and the court appoints
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:an FOC, a third party a person, and
mom says, no, we don't need that.
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:They set it for a hearing in September
and then grandma's counsel files to
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:continue and the court sets it for
February, which means that this mother
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:and this child would've gone Thanksgiving
and Christmas without each other.
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:By the time you had a hearing, it
would've been eight months after
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:the child had been kidnapped.
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:Hugh: Yeah, it had been taken completely
illegally because, I mean, you're right.
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:I mean, the best case scenario.
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:That we have here is gross incompetence,
but I don't think that that's the case.
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:I've known, I've known
Judge Ogden for decades now.
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:She's not grossly incompetent in this way.
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:Maybe you can't be
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:Christine: that dumb.
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:Hugh: No, this is, this is, I.
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:This is not just having
a bad day at your job.
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:You don't do this.
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:You, you should, if, if this is what
having a bad day at your job looks
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:like, then you need a different job.
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:You need to be in a drive you
know, a drive through or something
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:like that to where a bad day
is not going to ruin a life.
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:Christine: Well, let's, yeah, but
I mean, people that work at a drive
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:through work hard too for a living.
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:No.
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:And they don't make money.
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:And I know, I know exactly what you meant.
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:No, and I'm not even
trying to say that, but
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:Hugh: No, but I mean, like the
worst that you're going to screw up.
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:He is not going to traumatize a kid.
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:Christine: Lauren should
be so lucky to get a job.
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:Most every, she's so lucky to
get a job at a drive through.
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:Most
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:Hugh: every job I've ever had
outside of representing people in
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:court, my worst day in court is
not going to cause trauma to a kid.
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:I don't care.
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:You know, I, I just threw
a job out there, but
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:Christine: yeah.
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:Hugh: No, you're right.
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:If you.
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:In a position.
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:, It's sort of like if you are having
bad days to where you are just so off
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:your game and you're a neurosurgeon,
you need to stop doing surgery.
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:Christine: Yeah.
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:It's like Dr.
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:Death, a podcast.
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:If you haven't listened
to it, it's fabulous.
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:But she needs to be,
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:if it is intentional,
why is it intentional?
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:Why, why would you do this?
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:And I, and I don't, I, I don't know.
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:They just, it's due process.
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:It's every single one of these
notice opportunity to be heard.
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:Notice opportunity to be heard.
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:Allowing you to cross examinee
adverse witnesses, basic
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:constitutional due process.
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:It's pointed out in every single
one of these decisions that
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:overturns her and it is not.
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:And it's not, well, we think
she just, it may have been a
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:violation, blah, blah, blah.
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:We're gonna overturn for this.
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:It's just these are blatant.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:You are not giving people
their constitutional rights
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:when they are in your court.
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:Please stop
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:Christine: judge y.com.
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:We wanna hear all of your Ogden stories.
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:We will post this on all of our socials.
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:Typically speaking, when you
get an emergency order, the writ
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:comes back quickly after that.
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:So hopefully next week we'll
have the writ result of the writ.
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:Y'all.
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:Hugh: Yeah.
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:Bad.
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:Just bad.
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:Christine: Oh my Lord.
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:Next call.
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:We need some justice, justice, justice.
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:And I wanna ring bells in public.
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:I wanna ring bes in public nor crowd.
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