Menopause, motherhood, and horse pee…oh my!

In this episode of Moms Unhinged, Andrea sits down with Chicago comedian Avril Granato, who found her voice somewhere between midlife, motherhood, and a hormone patch she definitely didn’t read the fine print on.

Avril opens up about how her daughter pushed her into comedy and what it’s like starting stand-up in your forties. She also talks about marriage in midlife, why her husband suddenly started noticing her moods, and the moment she realized maybe, just maybe, the patch was working.

It’s real, a little ridiculous, and totally unfiltered—just like the stage.

In this episode:

• Growing up in Chicago and raising creative kids
• How her daughter convinced her to try comedy
• Acting classes on Zoom and surviving long COVID
• The menopause symptoms no one warns you about
• The hilarious vegan-meets-horse-pee revelation
• Why her husband keeps asking if she’s put on a “fresh patch”
• Finding the funny in the mess (and the hot flashes)

Mentioned In This Episode:

• Moms Unhinged Comedy
• Follow Avril on Instagram

We loaded up the car and we all went out to the pumpkin

farm and they had camel rides.

I have never seen camel rights at a pumpkin farm before.

I said, huh?

When did camel's become like a fun fall activity?

But what do I know?

You know, what do I know?

Give the kids what they want.

When my kids were little, all they had was pony rides, right?

And these poor ponies, they were so old and tired that now, and then they

would swap one out with a donkey.

And my son would get so excited when he got to ride the special horse.

Right?

But then my husband's gotta start, you know, look like father, like son.

He likes to ride that ass.

And he's high fiving the other dads.

Oh, you like that one?

You like that one?

I'm like, could we not do this at Goldberg's Farm right now?

It's a fancy suburb outside of Chicago, you guys, I'm like, could we not?

So I'm talking to the handler, I'm like, where did you guys find such calm camels?

And he said, we have to mildly sedate them.

And I was like, oh.

That's what I said.

Oh, so I'm looking up at this camel and in this moment I had like this connection

with the camel because I already have the toe, you know?

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Hello everyone and welcome to Moms Unhinged.

I'm your host Andrea, and I am joined by the amazing, the fantastic Avril Granado.

Hello Avril.

Welcome.

How are you?

Everybody out there.

I know, so good to see you.

I am excited to be talking to you.

Avril is one of our Chicago based Moms Unhinged comedians and yeah, she's been on

a bunch of shows traveling around with us.

We were recently, not too long ago, up in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

That was so fun.

So yeah, why don't you just tell us a little bit about yourself, Avril.

Well, I am from Chicago and I put on a little flower, a

little shirt today for y'all.

For everybody usually have flannels on, or a stained Bears

jersey or something like that.

But I, you gotta clean it up a little bit.

, But I am born and raised in Chicago, in the city.

That's a big thing in Chicago.

Now, a lot of people say they're from Chicago.

You've heard of that.

Yeah, and they are not from Chicago.

And they could say Chicagoland.

There's no shame in saying Chicagoland, but a lot of people say, "oh,

I'm from Chicago." And then we do our little test of Chicagoans.

We say, oh great.

You know, 'cause people say, oh, what neighborhood?

No, the real test is what high school did you go to?

Oh.

Yeah, so we ask what high school, and then it comes out like, uh, Glenwood East.

It's like mm-hmm.

You're not from the city because it's just, I mean, it's just

a different thing, you know?

Growing up in the city as a kid is so different.

Yeah.

But I always say I'm a newer comic, but I'm almost getting to the point

where I'm not that new anymore.

November comes up on my four year anniversary.

That is awesome.

And Avril has been killing it, you guys, so I am just, I

think it's so great because you really lean so heavily into it.

You just like, you know, decided to give it a go, and then you've just been

getting after it so that's so cool.

I try.

I wish I had a little bit more energy, but I wish to really not get in there.

But you know what?

As you get older, you see it too.

You have to give yourself grace, you know?

It's okay to take the downtime when you need it.

And it's okay.

You know, you're not 25.

I'm glad.

I don't think I could do this at 25.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't think I could be as, even though I was doing some acting, I don't

think I could be as vulnerable as you.

You need to really be, you start to see that's really, you don't have

to have that vulnerability on stage.

And I think at 25 I still was too.

Trying

You know, wouldn't go.

Yeah, I would.

I was funny, but not vulnerable with stories that I was

going through personally.

Right, right, right, right.

I know.

It is so true.

I was still, you know, I was still so concerned with, you know, image

and everything like that at that age, and like now I just don't care.

Right, I don't care.

It's like that thing, that woman she has a We Do Not Care Club.

Yeah, I'm a member.

And I try to more of that 'cause I still care too much.

Yeah, I know.

It is true.

I'm much better about that.

And your kids are grown.

My kids are grown.

My daughter just became a Chicago public school teacher last year.

She got her master's degree and then she became a teacher as she just turned 25.

And then my son is 29 and I have a 36-year-old stepdaughter and she

has two little ones, six and four.

Oh, that's awesome.

I'm a, you know, grandma.

That's great.

grandma.

It's nice.

Everyone's launched and now it's your time.

That's right.

So I have time to, you know, do it.

And really was, my daughter was kind of like the catalyst to when I

first started getting into standup because she, you know, growing up,

both my kids have BFAs in acting.

Mm.

From UIC in Chicago and they did acting.

And so throughout high school, all their friends would come over to

our house and hang out and they all wanted, they were all artists.

And I came from, my parents were both artists, so I came from that background

like, if you can be an artist, try it.

And do it when you're young, it's great.

You know, try and do it.

And everyone you know is, oh, be a doctor, be a lawyer.

No, they come over and hang out and we can, you know, you could be an artist.

It's okay.

No drinking, they can't party, but they can just be themselves and you know,

and do stuff and work on their act.

It didn't drive me crazy 'cause they said, oh, working on our monologue.

And her mom's like, shut up.

You're yelling Shakespeare.

I don't wanna hear it come over.

So she said, mom, when she was in college, she told me, mom, I think it

was her senior year of college, she said, you always our whole life said,

follow your passion, follow your dreams.

You know, go for it.

But you're not.

Uh huh.

Wow.

I made her, you know, I made her, and she's telling me that.

And I said, and so it was like, you know what, why not?

I'm gonna try.

And then COVID hit.

So I was like, see, the universe is telling me stay home.

And the whole universe came out and said, Nope.

No.

You are not doing that.

Try and talk with a mask on.

Good luck.

But I was like, oh.

Once the classes opened up again, I had signed up for a class, it got

canceled 'cause of COVID and then as soon as it opened back up, I was on

the list and I went ahead and that was four years ago, that will be in

November, where I started with a class.

And just see, if I liked not, if I could do it.

'Cause I love writing.

I always was a writer.

Right?

Yeah, yeah.

I remember we were talking about that.

That's so great.

That's so great.

And you also do acting too.

That's so awesome.

So I got back into the acting too, right before COVID.

And then COVID hit, I was doing a class and then they switched the

classes to Zoom and boy is that hard, doing acting class on Zoom.

No, we did in-person acting classes.

I started taking acting classes right before, like, it was like that

January, right before the March.

And so we started with a classes and they figured that, my acting coach

Todd Babcock, figured out how to do an acting class with six feet separation.

We had to have, like, we had all the chairs taped off and we were all in,

we were acting in our little boxes and like way apart from each other.

And you know, the scenes didn't involve any physicality.

And so it was wild.

But we did acting.

Great.

All through COVID and it was literally like, felt like a lifeline, you know,

like a bright spot in the dismal dark.

Yeah, that's great.

That's amazing 'cause that they didn't do that with our, we had the

same thing where it was, the first couple classes were in person and then

everything, you know, got shut down.

And then they switched it to Zoom and people just dropped.

You were dealing with people who never had been on Zoom before and it was difficult.

Well, you saw me with my setup today.

But it was, you know, it was like, so now the class, we had like nine

people and then there was three.

Yeah.

It was like, okay, just what do you guys wanna do?

Yeah, yeah.

It taught you more on camera work.

'Cause that it, you know, it actually helped for, 'cause somebody like me

in my twenties when I was doing just theater, I had never did on-camera work.

And so the Zoom forced you.

So she like let's turn this into like an on-camera.

And so she was teaching us like the frame of like the A

or the H when you're looking.

And so like all those different little technique tips.

Was pretty handy when you had to go and do, now all the

auditions are all self tape.

Yeah, yeah.

And I love that your daughter called you out on all this.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

You raised, obviously, clearly you raised some good kids who are

not afraid to say what they think.

Exactly, and that's how I raised it.

I always said challenge, challenge the status quo.

And just because it's an adult, you could say it respectfully.

But you can question, the teacher might be wrong.

You can ask, you know, and it always that's part of, I think that Gen

X thing especially, it's like the anti-establishment a little bit.

Yeah.

But respectfully, I told her.

Yeah.

Tell 'em they're wrong.

But respectfully.

Say it with a smile.

Smile, and here's some cookies my mom made you, but change my grade.

Okay,

but yeah.

That's so funny and it must be fun to hang out with grandkids now.

It is, and they're two boys.

And you realize, wow, like it's a lot.

Like the energy and stuff.

I had a boy and a girl.

So it's a little different dynamic because they really go.

Like, they'll go at it, you know?

And I'm like they, my two did wrestle like that and like the two boys together.

And I'm like, stop.

No.

And they're like, we don't say no, you know, we don't use, they don't like that.

Parenting is very different these days.

It's so different.

I'm like, how do you tell them to get off the stairs if it's not no?

Like, I'm gonna call the fire departments.

We don't say no.

no

Yeah.

Do you wanna rethink your choice of hitting your brother in the

head five times with a bat?

Do you wanna rethink that?

How are feeling?

You're frustrated, I guess.

Man yeah, boys, definitely.

I had two boys and it is, I just would like just run 'em.

You just need to get.

Yeah run.

Get em to a field.

That's right.

You gotta run 'em, what we used to do.

We were outside, you know, the old saying where it was you came home when the

streetlights came on, we were out running.

You know, we were in the trees on our bikes all over.

But you do, you gotta get like, I don't wanna say like a dog run.

But like, want something where they could be safe in.

Yeah.

You know, and just let 'em loose.

Right, right.

And

so we were talking off camera about some of the things you're

experiencing now with menopause.

Like that's a whole different, you know, parenting is one

thing you get through that.

Like it's physically challenging.

I think menopause is a whole different beast here that no

one really warned us about.

No, and that's exactly what it is.

And I love that word beast because that's what it is 'cause you're

battling, it's like a battle.

And nobody warned you about it.

You heard a few of the stories of like, you know, hot flashes

and then one day your mom might just not have her period anymore.

Like that's what you know, but never all these little layers upon layers of

different symptoms and different, and then doctors not, you know, saying, well

just, you know, tough it out, basically.

It's 2025.

You should have stuff that we could take that's not gonna kill us, you know?

But when I first started on, last year , now he's not my doctor anymore.

He retired.

I put him under, he was like, enough.

I can't handle it anymore with all your complaining.

I'm quitting.

I'm quitting.

I'm aching and I have itchy ears.

He put me on Premarin, which is a hormone replacement.

Now, I didn't know at the time.

I'm vegan now.

You know, I've been vegan for three years, so I'm vegan.

And I didn't, he didn't tell.

He knew I was vegan and I didn't know until I had to do like my own research.

First of all, it wasn't really doing anything for me.

I didn't have bad side effects, but it wasn't really helping it with anything

and I was looking up, I'm like, what is?

So Premarin, it's very controversial because it is literally, Premarin

stands for pregnant mare urine.

Oh.

So yeah, it's literally, it's the estrogen from a pregnant horse.

Horse piss.

It's horse piss And I'm vegan.

I'm like, what?

Like I gave up honey.

I gave up honey and now.

That was hard.

I'm drinking horse piss.

Horse pee.

An empty stomach and I can't even have, you know, honey on my toast, my God.

And so I was like, what?

But now a couple, now, it's been a couple months and I feel like it's made up some

dent, but some of the issues is the patch.

And I guess that's what some of the younger girls start on

like for perio, perio menopause, which, ah, those poor girls too.

Like they're saying it started even earlier.

Hmm.

I didn't know, I was like, I just thought that I wanted a divorce.

I didn't think I was, I hate you.

Like, no, but it.

I just thought it was my husband.

I thought it was just him.

Like, I can't look at your face or hear you breathing right now.

Fix it.

And it was me.

Fix it.

You know?

So that was perimenopause.

But I didn't know, you know, you didn't know.

So now this is, I think I'm gonna see her again, for like a follow up next month and

see maybe she can bump it up a little bit.

'Cause she put me on like the lowest just to see how I would react.

And so I think it's definitely I've noticed an improvement.

Not, you know, all gone.

Still issues, but, and sometimes you wake up with these new things.

Yeah.

So it's a patch you just wear and you wear it for a while.

I don't even know.

One month.

Oh, no, no, sorry.

One week.

The prescription.

You get the prescription and it's a teeny, oh my God.

And I'm thinking like a patch, like those nicotine patches or something.

You know, it looks like if you've ever had a wart, those little teeny

bandaids, it looks like a clear bandaid.

And one, and I dropped it the first time 'cause I was, couldn't figure

out how to peel off the plastic to stick it on, and it dropped and I

couldn't find it on my bathroom floor.

So, yeah, it's clear and you peel it and you put it, you're supposed to

put it like on your abdomen or you could put it on your like tailbone.

Uhhuh.

Or the side of your hip.

But it's not waterproof.

Oh.

So I was like, but I could take a shower, like I need to take showers.

She's like, no, no's.

Not like a lot of swimming or anything.

And I was like, man, I was gonna pick up swimming.

That's I calling myself.

I wanted to start swimming.

I know.

I had the gym membership and the new cap, but now I could say I

can't swim because of the patch.

I know.

That's funny.

It's like that's ridiculous that it's like all of a sudden

now you can't exercise that.

I mean.

Yeah.

So, but I'm gonna stick it out and then see, maybe I get a little bump

up on it and then, but at least this female doctor is offering you.

Why can't they develop a waterproof patch?

Like, how hard is that?

Right?

Yeah, that's, well, I know a woman was, I was talking to this other dog.

She said, if men had to go through this, there'd be all kinds of things.

There would be, you know, eye drops you could put in and boom, you're fine.

Like, it would be there, it would be no problem at all, but something.

So then you look back at like our moms and grandmas, how much they had to suffer.

I know.

They just, and they just sucked it up.

They just sucked it up.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

They didn't say, my mom didn't say a word about it.

Mine either.

That was it.

That's all I heard about was some hot flashes, and that's it.

And then she would have like an erratic and then too, the

timing of when she had her kids.

My sister and I were teenagers, you know, looking back.

We were teenagers and she was going to menopause and my brother was already in

college and she had two girls at home.

And my dad, that's why like, he's like, I'll be home later because his

wife's going through a menopause.

Daddy, where are you?

Two teenage girls.

I'll be home around midnight.

Like, mm-hmm.

Let me know when you're sleeping and I'll come.

Sneaks in.

He sneaks in quiet.

Yeah oh my goodness.

But yeah, so that's why I talk to my daughter all the time now, and she's

just, she just turned 25, but, and she's like, wow, I like you're, I don't, okay.

I am like, no, because nobody ever told me any of this.

So I'm like, get ready for this.

Get ready for that.

Right, and I mean, the thing is too, the thing that's wild to me is

how different the symptoms can be.

Like you don't even like from person to person.

Like you told me about your itchy ears.

I've never heard about that.

Yeah, itchy ears.

And then I thought I was going crazy and then I looked it up and I said, there's

that, that tip now about the Flonase.

Put some on a Q-tip.

I haven't tried it yet, but I'm gonna try that.

But yeah, that was my dog was looking at me 'cause it's like an intense itch.

Oh.

You have to, no matter what you're doing, you have to just get in there.

No kidding.

And my dog's like, mm-hmm.

Now you know how I feel.

Like, I'm keeping my nails long so I can,

and my ear, sometimes my ears are red.

Yeah.

The scratching.

Wow.

Yeah, and then I tried, I had read something before.

But oh, you have to, see, that's the thing.

You gotta be careful going down the rabbit holes of the self treatment, because

at first I put coconut oil in my ears.

Mm-hmm.

I couldn't hear for about two days.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

But I think I don't know if you were supposed to melt the

coconut oil 'cause it was.

You know, when you buy the coconut oil, if it's not hot

or heat it up, it's like thick.

You know, like it's hard.

Like almost like a Vaseline.

Pack it in there?

I packed it in pretty good.

Go away itchy ears.

And I probably should've just did one ear, but I did both.

I was like, why?

And my husband's older, he can't hear.

So we're both like, what?

What?

I got coconut oil in my ears.

I can't hear you.

I'm gonna make a stir fry later.

Honey.

Move on something.

I couldn't, oh my goodness.

And yeah, I was going like this, trying to get it out.

And, yeah.

No, don't put coconut oil in your ears.

Yeah yeah.

I know the internet is a wild place with all kinds of weird

recommendations, so probably it is hard to find the right information.

We don't know, and I can, you know what?

The other thing that, not to get down this rabbit hole, but I can't even get

in to see my doctor for two months.

Like I was making it.

I was like, why?

Like, I just want to, I have a couple questions, you know.

Oh yeah.

Those days are over.

Yeah, where you could just pop it.

Yeah, that and then getting this new doctor, 'cause this is

a new doctor and she's female.

Uh huh.

I didn't know how hard that is too.

It took eight months to get into 'cause a new patient, you know?

And it was worth it though, because she's great so far, like, and she took like

an hour with me and I had all, I had came in with a notebook and write, you

know, she's like, oh, that one of these.

Like, I had a note, I wanna talk about this and talk about

that, because I'll if I don't.

You just got the long list.

That like, you know, when you've flings down like the Christmas list.

Say, what do you know about itchy ears doctor?

But so she started me on that, right?

She goes, start on this right away and see.

Yeah yeah.

So you've had hot flashes, itchy ears.

Any other weird symptoms that you've had?

To me, you know, the fatigue is bad.

But I also have long COVID, which has gotten way better, over the time.

So, that's what's crazy too with this menopause is a lot of the symptoms kind

of overlap each other from long COVID.

So it's the fatigue.

But the joint pain is something that's worse.

Like before with the long COVID I would get, you know, aches and

pains and like this weird sensation.

Sometimes your legs feel like bricks, even you rest it all day, like you get

up to walk and it's like heavy legs.

But with menopause I noticed it.

It's a little different where it's like your joints is what's real.

Like you feel like, is this what it feels like to be 75?

Like, because I can't imagine it being worse than it.

It's just like, and sometimes my husband will see me, he's

like, whoa, you're walking like.

Are you doing that on purpose?

I'm like, no.

Like, oh my back.

You know, like that, just like weird achiness is bad and then

bloating, you know, for no reason.

Especially with being vegan, like the inflammation, I really felt like

I got it under control, but then the inflammation comes back, just ran with

this, with menopause no matter what.

So

yeah.

I'm like, well, you know what?

I'm gonna have that toast then.

Right.

I'm bloated anyway, and I'm just gonna have a half a

piece of salad without bread.

So what?

Yeah.

Pile in the honey, the horse piss.

Bring it

Put it a charcuterie board.

Little, little bored.

So if we list all this, you got bloating, itchy ears, achy joints.

You're sick of your husband.

That now with the patch, he is like, one time I was being really nice and

I was making breakfast in the morning, which I'm not like a morning person

and I don't usually eat breakfast.

And I was making breakfast and I was making him chorizo and eggs.

Stuff I can't even eat.

And he was like, you got chorizo and eggs.

And he was like, did you put a fresh patch on?

Like sneaking.

He's sneaking extra patches onto you.

like when You don't even know

this.

I go, what is this another patch?

This makes her nicer.

It's nice.

So that's what he's like, if you put a fresh patch on, I'm like two

days ago, they has nothing to do.

You know what, okay, you know what?

Just have your breakfast.

But it, it was funny that he had put this, he goes, you put a fresh patch on.

Huh?

It doesn't work like that.

It's not like, maybe it does.

I don't know.

I'm gonna start keeping track of that if I'm nicer towards the beginning of the

putting on the fresh patch towards the end when you need to put a new one on.

Yeah, yeah.

You could time it so you've got, you know, your best times on

the weekends or something like.

Right?

Yeah put it when you need that boost.

Yeah.

So funny.

Oh my gosh.

So, one other thing I love to ask the guests who come on is just

like a time, like an a moment, an unhinged moment you've had.

I mean, obviously I get it.

There's lots, especially when you're going through perimenopause, menopause,

but what, share with us, a time in particular where things got hairy.

Something that's kind of, so when we grew up, we didn't have

money and we didn't even have a car, so we never went anywhere.

We never went on vacation.

So when my kids were little, I got my driver's license.

I was 20.

And so when I had my kids in the car, once I had my kids in my, you know,

in my twenties, I was so nervous and had so much, now I know it's

anxiety, with the kids in the car.

Like, I could drive with my girlfriend all over the place no problem.

But for something, being a mom, I was terrified with my

kids in the car on the highway.

If I had to drive 'em to school in Chicago, no problem, but for some

reason on the highway, so I had to have a, we go and I, and because

kind of making up for my childhood, I wanted to take 'em everywhere.

So we would go to Wisconsin Dells, like and I would, there

was no talking aloud in the car.

Because I was so, and my poor is, I mean, and they're like the

age where it, especially this time my daughter remembers us.

She was like, they were six and like eight.

And I'm like, no talking in the car.

No talking in the car.

And I would have the steering wheel and then I would have to wipe my hands on

my leg 'cause it would be so, my hands would be so wet and so no talking.

And they could have their little games and they'd be playing their little

games, but they couldn't talk to me.

And it is just me in the car.

If just, if my husband was there, he could drive and then there, there's no problem.

Dad said we could talk like dad's not here and there's two semis, no talking.

So, and then one time when we went to Wisconsin Dells

there was a tornado coming.

Oh no.

You couldn't see anything and all.

And the cars and I was in the middle lane and it just hit all of a sudden

where it was just white out and you could hear things hitting, like

hitting the van and hitting the car.

And I didn't wanna pull over to either side 'cause I couldn't see,

and I didn't wanna crash into a car.

And I said, kids, I need you to, you know, to start, pray.

Pray to God and pray.

Pray.

And he said, my daughter, so to us, she's still like this.

She goes, mom, you said no talking.

No talking.

I was like, pray.

She goes, okay.

We pray to ourselves and I am like, no.

Pray out loud.

Say, pray out loud and I'm yelling and pray.

Pray.

They're like, to who?

I'm like to God, you know, we pray once in a while.

Don't act like we never pray around here, pray.

And so the kids are praying, God, here's kids' prayers and

he will take it more seriously.

We're gonna die.

We're gonna, do you wanna die.

wanna, oh my.

And then the lights in front of the semi, I could see like the

taillights of the semi and I was like.

It worked you guys, and I'm just following the semi lights and then we

got to Wisconsin Dells and like everybody canceled their trips and stuff and we

had like the whole place to ourselves.

But yeah, that was oh my poor kids.

Oh my God.

Screaming at them to pray.

Pray

whoever, God,

Allah, anyone, all of 'em.

Do you know we pray?

Don't act like we don't pray in this house.

We pray Mom, who a hot flash?

Oh, with my look.

My Moms Unhinged.

Oh yes, you're in live.

I love it.

Using the Moms Unhinged.

It's a notebook or it's a fan for your hot flashes.

We should put that on there.

I know I didn't mention all the features and benefits of the notebook.

But yeah, so that, I mean, that's pretty wild.

And then they tell their friends that story.

They're like, you couldn't talk in the car.

But then my, and then later my daughter's like, mom, it was you

were afraid, and you still did it.

Like you still took us to places and, you know, once we

got outta the car, it was fine.

You know, I'm sure that was stressful for 'em.

But when you're in the thick of it.

You just, you try to do the best you can as a mom.

You know, you're trying to do the best and then you look back like hmm.

Maybe I should have like, brought a friend with or something.

Yeah, I know and it is wild.

These things that you're, because I mean, you didn't have the

example of parents driving around with cars, you know, doing trips.

So it is stressful when the kids are in the car and you're like, you

think about the worst thing that could happen and you know, so yeah.

That is stressful.

That's funny that they were just not allowed to speak.

My kids just didn't speak naturally.

I mean, so that was like we had that.

Yeah.

But they were boys.

They were boys, so, you know, I would sometimes get a little bit irritated

because they would just be, you know, kicking back, watching a movie and

I'm driving for nine and a half hours to, through like, you know, Nebraska

and to get to Chicago or the suburbs of Chicago, I should say corrected.

That's,

yeah, I would just, I would get a little irritated with those road trips

and now I just do not like road trips.

I think it's from all that driving across Nebraska.

Yeah, Nebraska.

Yeah a lot.

It's just really not a lot to look at.

Yeah.

No, so that's funny.

But they, you know, you do your best as a mom and then they grow

up and they're good kids anyway.

You know, you make mistakes.

Yeah.

And it was so nice that when my daughter's like, mom, you know, she's, she's

like, I could see that because she, when she started driving, she's like,

"it's so scary, mom." I can't imagine.

I'm like, yeah, driving is scary.

But I said, I was a good, city driving had no problem.

It was just something about, you know, being on the express way with

the kid by myself and the semi-truck and just the thought of something

happening, you know, crashing.

Yeah, I cannot crash this car with my kids in it.

I know, yeah.

Yeah, me and my husband.

That's fine.

Yeah, I crash.

I crash into him.

So what'd you say?

No.

Okay gotta put a fresh patch on honey before I drive.

Oh my gosh.

This has been so much fun.

Avril, tell.

Why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you and follow you.

Oh, great.

Yeah.

You can find me on Instagram.

I'm on Facebook too, but I'm probably equally on both, but everyone.

You know, they say, oh, Instagram, @avrilgranato It's A-V-R-I-L.

Uh, it's, that's French for April.

And G-R-A-N-A-T-O.

I have on Instagram, I have links in my bio to like different, the shows

that are coming up and everything.

Yeah.

This number looks like a good month.

Yeah.

And we will, we'll definitely link to your Instagram and all

their links in our show notes so people can get connected with you.

That would be awesome.

It's been great.

So yeah, I can't wait to see you in person sometime soon.

I don't even know when our next show is together.

Oh yeah.

It's in DeKalb.

Yeah.

It took out mm-hmm.

Just a couple weeks.

Yeah.

That'll be fun.

Yeah.

So great.

Well, thanks.

Thanks again, Avril.

We'll talk later.

Okay, thanks Andrea.

Bye everybody.

Bye.

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