After several sports injuries I lived with chronic neck and back pain for years, and I tried all kinds of treatments including massage, Rolphing, physical therapy, and traditional chiropractic care. These helped to some degree, but the benefits were always pretty short-lived. 

Thankfully through my previous clinic job I got turned on to Craniopoathy, and connected with Dr. Scoppa. It sounds cliché, but he has truly changed my life so I want to introduce his work to all of you. 

In his Bellevue practice, Dr. Scoppa sees a little bit of everything, but most of his patients come to him for hypermobility issues, cranial-facial pain, TMJ, and headaches.

Dr. Jason Scoppa has been practicing in the Seattle area since 2012.  Having graduated from Palmer Chiropractic College in California, Dr.  Scoppa went on to earn post graduate certifications in SOT (Sacro  Occipital Technique), SOT Craniopathy, Applied Kinesiology, and Sports  Medicine through the ACBSP.

He is one of only two doctors in Washington that is certified as an SOT Craniopath and has completed hundreds of hours of post graduate coursework in the areas of TMJ (Jaw dynamics and issues), TMD (conditions associated with TMJ problems), airway compromise, cranial facial growth and development, and cranial-dental co-management. 

Dr. Scoppa currently teaches courses in SOT, TMJ analysis and treatment, cranial growth and development models, cranial-dental co-management, and integrated care models.

He sits on the board of SOTO-USA (the SOT technique organization) and has an online education company geared towards healthcare professionals.

Where to find Dr. Scoppa:

Jason Scoppa, DC, CSCP, CCSP®, PAK - Dr. Scoppa sees people locally and offers out of state case reviews.

Schedule a free consultation with Dr. Scoppa at Northwest Structural Medicine - www.StructuralMed.com 

On social:

Instagram - @northwest_structural_medicine

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/structuralmed

YouTube

How to find a certified practitioner if you don't live in the Seattle area:

International College of applied Kinesiology - ICAK USA Practitioner List

Sacro Occipital Technique - SOTOusa.com

Also mentioned in the episode:

Foundation Training – Dr. Eric Goodman - Start with The Founder Exercise

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A Podcast Launch Bestie production

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Hey, Dr.

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Skapa, thanks so much

for joining me today.

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I'm excited to have you here.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Hey, Jeannie.

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Thanks for having me.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah, this

is going to be a great conversation

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and I'm so excited to share with

all of our listeners what you do

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and everybody just let you know Dr.

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Skapa has been my chiropractor and

has really made a huge difference

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for me in pain, et cetera.

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And so I really wanted to talk with him

about what he does because it's different

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from traditional chiropractic and have

him tell you a little bit about it.

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So you can learn about

this amazing modality.

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So Jason, just tell us a little

bit about your background and how

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you got into doing craniopathy.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

Thanks for having me again.

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This is exciting to everyone

loves to talk about what they do.

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So I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, so I went to a chiropractic school

having never even been to a chiropractor.

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Myself chiropractors just have a

big scope of practice and I knew

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I wanted to get into health care.

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So I got into chiropractic and there's,

I don't know, hundreds, maybe thousand

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different types of chiropractic.

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So there's so many different techniques

and different methods, which is.

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And what makes it special is you

can really make it what you want.

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There's a lot of freedom allotted

to chiropractors in their scope of

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practice, but also in terms of just

the things you can get interested in

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and you can have a practice focused

on this, that, or the other thing.

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So it was a little bit overwhelming.

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At first I wasn't, I was getting

pulled in different directions.

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I would just try to go to different clubs

and different shadow, different doctors.

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I just saw that the doctors that seem

to be getting the best results and the,

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had the most successful practices were

certified in something called SOT or AK.

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So SOT is sacrooccipital technique

and AK is applied kinesiology.

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So I started just, okay, I

want to get people better.

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They seem to be getting a good result.

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Like I'm not going to overthink this.

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I'm just going to, I just

started spending more time with

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those people in those groups.

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And then ended up getting certified

and going through I'm on the

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board for the SOT group now.

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I teach for them and I still go to the

AK conferences and that kind of thing.

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And I think those two

techniques are great.

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There's so many good techniques.

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So it's just what fits best for you as the

practitioner and then the patient, what

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you're needing and what you're wanting

out of care and that kind of thing.

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But for me, it's been really I can't

imagine practicing without those two, I

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can't picture what it would even be like.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Will you give

us just a brief definition of each one?

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah

AK, Applied Kinesiology, they're

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looking at, they call it the triad of

health, so it's the physical, mental,

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and the emotional side of health.

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So you're looking at all three.

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You might not necessarily attack

all three of those things.

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Especially in a place like where

we live I practice in Bellevue.

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So it's we have so many good

practitioners in this area that

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you don't have to wear every hat,

and I don't want to wear every hat.

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So I love referring out and, work

as a team for a lot of these things.

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So I tend to have my practice

focus more on the physical, some

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on the chemical, some on the

emotional, but at the same time, I.

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I I know my limitations and I like to

work with other people in that regard.

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AK is vast AK includes a lot of

acupuncture meridians organ reflex work.

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There's lymphatic points.

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There's so many different ways you

can go about applied kinesiology.

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So it's a really vast technique

and sometimes you can get

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lost in the ocean of it.

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SOT is different.

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SOT provides a more of a

framework for practice.

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So in school, chiropractic school, we're

taught how to adjust, like the, we can

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make this bone do this and make this

great noise and go through the, but we're

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not taught, uh, when to adjust, when

not to adjust, and we're not taught.

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What does a successful

treatment look like?

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Like we don't get any

of that, which is scary.

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You really just thump around on

somebody and no, that seems a little

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stuck and crack and like, how's that?

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So it leaves a lot to

be desired in terms of.

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outcomes.

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Like, how do you treatment plan

around something like that?

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really getting better other than

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just, Oh, it feels a little better.

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Okay, great.

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feedback and reference indicators

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that we can check pre and post.

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use a lot of different techniques

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within SOT, but it provides a box.

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patient, these are the big

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things going on with this patient

today that I need to deal with.

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And I can use this tool, that tool,

I can use some of the AK points.

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I can do whatever I want

to use, but this is my box.

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the next visit, it might be

in a different box, right?

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So it's like we, I do almost like

a full reaval with, I think a lot

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of SOT and AK doctors do that.

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You're not just writing down what

you did last time and doing that

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for 10 times and then reaval.

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I think you're doing that every

single time because things can change.

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Some people's things stick with, but some

people move through things really quickly.

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Yeah, SOT is sick, rock,

sip, little technique.

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the occiput and the sacrum.

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And then we're looking at proprioception

is a big point that we look at.

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So meaning proprioception is like

how your body awareness in space

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and the contribution to balance.

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So all of our joints have

proprioceptors in them.

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You could, as again, you think

of those as little GPS units.

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They're in all of your joints so you can,

move your wrist or move your shoulder

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and you don't have to look at what it's

doing to know where it is in space.

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That's because of those proprioceptors.

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All of our joints have them, but

the joints with the most amount

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of those proprioceptors are the SI

joints, which are the base of your

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spine on the side of the sacrum.

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and then in the jaw joint.

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So I try to get as much stability as I

can in those two areas because they're

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dictating how the rest of our body is

receiving that spatial information.

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So it doesn't fix everything,

but it's a good place to begin.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

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SOTs is working with the dura.

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So the dura is the covering

of the brain and spinal cord.

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And then, the brain and spinal cord

are floating in cerebral spinal

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fluid inside of that dural covering.

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And then that dura attaches loosely

at every nerve root, but the main

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attachment sites, the main anchor

sites are at the top and the bottom.

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So at the bottom, it's down at the sacrum

and at the top, it surrounds our brain

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and comes through the cranial sutures.

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So the little zigzags in the head.

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So essentially in SOT, we're

trying to get stability in the

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jaw and the SI joint primarily.

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And then we're trying

to get as much torque.

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Off of those ends of that dura as we can.

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premises for SOT, the two big takeaways,

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Yeah, that's a really I've never

heard it explained that clearly

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before that makes perfect sense.

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And when you say the GPS symptom

symptoms systems of the joint, that's

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really cool because I know when

people get older, proprioception tends

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to be a problem and there, is more

chance of falls and things like that.

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So we want to maintain our proprioception

and know a lot of athletes will train.

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Maintaining really good proprioception.

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for explaining that.

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And and also when you mentioned.

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More general chiropractic where someone's

just cracking you and hoping for the best.

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I've definitely experienced that with

other doctors in the past where, yeah,

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I might have some initial relief,

but it didn't last long at all.

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And just to give a little bit

of background growing up, I

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had a lot of sports injuries.

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So I rode horses.

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I was a snowboarder.

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I took a lot of really nasty

falls on my head and my neck.

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I've broken multiple bones,

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

It was worth it though,

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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And even as a pretty young person, I

had some serious body pain and it's

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something that I still have to look

after and really take good care of

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myself because if I don't, I hurt.

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And so that's how I came to find

you is because I was having,

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pretty constant chronic pain.

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It wasn't super intense, but

it was enough that it was.

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It's really unpleasant and all

the body work that I was getting

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wasn't helping me long term.

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It wasn't making a real dent.

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And tell us a little bit more

too, like what, who is the typical

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person that would come to see you and

then, am I pronouncing it correctly?

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Is it craniopathy?

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Is it craniopathy?

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Does it

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Oh, craniopathy.

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Yeah, it's a craniopath and then

the, it's craniopathy is the,

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Yeah, so I guess that's

a two part question.

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So maybe define craniopathy for us and

how that's different from the SOT and

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AK, and then after that talk about,

who your typical client is and what

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craniopathy is best at addressing.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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Sure.

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And then, can I speak to

something you said just now?

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I'm not opposed to regular

chiropractic adjustments, like

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they're actually very safe.

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Even the neck adjustments, there's

a huge study called the Cassidy

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study that was done in Canada.

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So they've nationalized healthcare.

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So they were able to really like hone

in on look at, a hundred thousand cases

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of people getting neck manipulation

because there was a potentially an

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issue with stroke and neck manipulation.

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And then that definitively

that was shut down.

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There's a casual correlation, but not

a direct correlation, meaning like

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you were That person was going to have

a stroke no matter where they went.

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So they were actually more

likely in the study to get a

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stroke going to a medical doctor.

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We're going to the hair salon, then go

to the chiropractor because just simply

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because if you go to somebody in my, oh,

my neck hurts, they're going to do an

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exam, they're going to move your neck

around and then you go to a hair salon and

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you go, to get your hair washed, you go in

the sink like that, and then it sets off

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so it's so I just think it's a good tool

in the toolbox, but I just think for me,

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I just found it was limiting with what I

could accomplish with that tool by cell.

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So I, I'll do manual adjustments

now every once in a while.

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I think they work better the further

away you get from those attachment sites.

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So in that mid back area,

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A lot of times I'll just have

people phone roll their mid back and

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you'll hear thoracic and ribs and

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yes.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

you'll you can almost sell it.

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That's the easiest way to self adjust

that area, and that's usually the place

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people have the least amount of problems.

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I think it's because it's further

away from that dural attachment.

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But as if for me, as I give, if

I took my belt off and held both

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ends and twisted it, and I said,

Hey, Jeannie, untwist my belt.

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Anywhere you picked in between.

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These two ends, right?

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If you untwisted it, it would just,

it would go back almost immediately,

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: So

it's like you have to undo the

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ends for a lot of that stuff in

the middle to really go away.

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That's been my experience anyway.

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And yeah, create to answer

your first question.

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Yeah, craniopathy.

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Sure, this the study and practice

of working with the cranium.

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So it's a pretty vague,

it's an umbrella term.

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And within that, there's a lot

of, there's many different types

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of cranial work probably the most

popular being craniosacral, it's

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what most people have heard of AK and

SOT are two of the, they're the two

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chiropractic techniques that involve

the cranium more than any other.

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I think that's fair to say.

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SOT specifically gets really

in depth with the cranium.

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There's a cranial certification.

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That's pretty difficult to get through.

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on SOT that I use sometimes called vector

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point, which is takes it even further

with the cranial work, I just think it's.

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75, 80 percent of your nervous

system is in your cranium.

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So it's if you're saying you're

affecting the nervous system, I think

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you have to work with the cranium

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: It's

just, there's all the different

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types of cranial work have their.

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Benefits and drawbacks

and that kind of thing.

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They said, I, I just, I

like the SOT method and the

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vector point method the best.

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And that, that's what I use

in terms of the cranial work.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Okay, cool.

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And tell us a little different, or a

little bit about the difference between

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craniosacral therapy and what you do.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

yeah, craniosacral was developed

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by a guy named Upledger.

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So he was a DO, he's an

osteopath, doctor of osteopathy.

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This was, I think it was like in the.

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60s, maybe something like that.

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So he studied under, like it's all

Southern Sutherland's like kind of

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the father of craniopathy in general.

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So there it's like Dijon,

it, who started SOT, Dr.

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major Dijon, it, he

studied under Sutherland.

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So he was a DL and a chiropractor.

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So Dr.

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Dijon, it took what he thought

were the most beneficial parts of.

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cranial osteopathy and chiropractic

and put them into a technique

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and that and call that SOT.

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But another one of Sutherland's students,

Upledger he was getting really frustrated

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because he as the DO osteopaths used

to be a cool mix between a naturopath,

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a chiropractor, and a medical doctor.

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Like they were this, a really cool

mix of healthcare professions.

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And it was a really amazing profession.

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That's actually what I

wanted to be originally.

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And then I found out they really

barely do any of that anymore.

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You might, you'll go to Swedish or

go to a hospital and then you'll

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see a doctor there and they might

be a DO, they might be an MD.

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You wouldn't know the difference.

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It's once they started letting

prescription drug rights

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into their Scope of practice.

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It totally changed the

physical medicine piece.

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Just like fewer and fewer

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people.

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It's really a shame because they had

so many amazing said the guy started

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SOT incorporated a lot of them in SOT.

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So like I've been lucky enough

to be exposed to some of them,

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but it's really hard to find

a physical medicine osteopath.

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They're really few and far between.

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They're a dying breed, unfortunately, but

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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I think they're more common, I know, my

mom lived in New Zealand for many years

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and the osteopaths in New Zealand are much

more similar to what you're describing.

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They do the physical medicine, they

know all the naturopath stuff, and so

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it seems to have been preserved there

maybe a little more but that's too bad it

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

it is, yeah, in the U.

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S.

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just with the, just because of the

prescription, I think it's too political,

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but yeah, the prescription drug thing and

the whole, yeah it's a shame because it's

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a, I think it was a really special and

a very niche a needed niche that I think

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we've lost a lot of now, but Upledger saw

this though happening and fewer people

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were interested in physical medicine.

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They, nobody was wanting to

learn craniopathy or any other

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physical medicine in osteopathy.

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So he was just like, screw it.

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I'm going to teach it to

whoever wants to learn.

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I'm not just going to teach it to doctors.

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So he opened it up to massage therapists,

who have some training, that it's

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limited, but they, they take anatomy.

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They take physiology.

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They,

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

They know the body.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: yeah, it's

legal for them to touch somebody.

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So it's like they can do a lot of,

so he created craniosacral therapy

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to teach to massage therapists.

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And essentially the idea was, and it

was like a, it's like a, set protocol.

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You do this.

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And his idea was, you might help somebody,

but you're not going to hurt anybody.

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And that was it.

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And, to be fair, a lot of craniosacral

therapists have taken it way beyond.

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There's some amazing

craniosacral therapists, right?

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But then there's also some that have

just gone to one weekend course and

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say they do craniosacral therapy.

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And they don't really ever

even, they don't even know where

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the bones on the cranium are.

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So the range is like massive.

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It just depends who's around in your

area, but cranial sacral therapy is

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it's almost like energy medicine.

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They're barely touching you.

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And it's great for like ADHD, anxiety.

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Really good for kids with

anxiety where it's really good.

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And even adults, it's just very soothing.

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There's just one area and it's very,

I said, they're barely touching you.

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And you just feel supported

and, but a lot of that's the

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practitioner themselves, right?

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It's the energy that practitioner

brings to the, you could say that

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about anything, but and it works

really well with infant babies.

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It's great with infant babies

because you don't need.

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A lot of force with an infant

baby their cranium is wide open.

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So even a little bit goes a

long way and it's very relaxing.

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There's really no harm

you could possibly do.

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It's it lends itself I think more

to mental, emotional anxiety.

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It's less, it's not strong in physical,

if you're actually trying to change.

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Things or move.

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It's not designed for that.

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So it's not really a knock per se.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: issues,

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah,

it's not really for that Their

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premise is that they're trying to

move Cerebral spinal fluid CSF.

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So their main diagnostic is I'm

feeling for CSF fluctuations

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And I'm trying to redirect that,

either lessen it or increase that.

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Or I just had a problem with that

personally, taking some of the

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cranial circle courses, we know

CSF exists, but we know it pumps

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and we know it's really important.

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It's like the lymphatic system

of your central nervous system.

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And, it does a lot of things.

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It helps with shock absorption.

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It helps remove toxins from that system.

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There's a lot of things it does.

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But we don't even know

at what rate it pumps.

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We still don't really know that for sure.

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And the idea you can palpate

it is a very contentious idea.

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So I didn't want my main diagnostic tool

to be feeling for something so esoteric.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: sure, okay

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: some people say

they can do it and I believe them, right?

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I just.

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Personally, I couldn't, I didn't feel

like I was confident enough in that.

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And most of the patients I

see are more pain patients.

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So it just didn't lend itself

well to my practice, but it's

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a good, it's a good practice.

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Especially I said, if you find somebody

that really is good at it, it's great.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah,

I know people who have gotten

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incredible results with that.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Exactly.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: for

things that you're talking about,

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like anxiety emotional, mental things.

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So cool.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: So leading

into that, I think that one of the

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things that I love about your work

that has been so helpful for me is the

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fact that you aren't necessarily doing

a lot of cracking because I'm someone

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that will tense up and anticipate it.

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And so then I, clench and I

may not get the, Best result.

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But you just describe a little bit about

how, when you're making adjustment, how

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that's working, because it's not really

obvious, but I walk out, I feel better.

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And then I feel better and

better for days to come.

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And it's almost two days later.

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I'm like, Oh my gosh.

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Wow.

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Like I feel like a different person.

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But it's so non invasive.

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So talk about that just a little bit.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah, it's

just a it's just a lot of, it's prop

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perceptive, like we talked about before.

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And it's working with

those dural connections.

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So we try and like I said, work

on the SI joints specifically

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'cause of how important it is.

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We're taking into account leg length.

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But there's ways to work on all

these things where I just I rarely

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have to do the aggressive stuff.

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Like I said, I'm not opposed

to it, but I maybe adjust.

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Someone's neck once every six

months or so sometimes I'll adjust

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an ankle or a wrist or an elbow.

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I don't know, it depends who's coming

in, yeah I've done more and more

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work through the head actually.

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And we can work on different spots in

those cranial sutures to work on the dura.

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To affect spots within the spine.

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It is a little bit more subtle, but

it's also, like you said, it's I

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feel like it works pretty well, for

most people that come to see me.

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And I think a lot of people have

that anxiety with the manual

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adjusting, even if it is safe,

it's still, it's not, I don't like

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getting it done to myself personally.

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I don't enjoy that.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

It feels jarring.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: it's very

jarring and it's it can be painful too.

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Even somebody who's really good at it.

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It's still, it's just kinda and, if you're

having to adjust the same spot every time,

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I don't know how good that is necessarily.

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I don't think there's been

a lot of studies on that.

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If you're adjusting the same bone,

let's say weekly for two years,

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what's that doing to that area?

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I don't think that's been, that

kind of study has been done.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: And what's

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pulling that out of whack?

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The way you described it to me, I think

when I first saw you was that, if you

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can get adjusted till the cows come

home, but if the dura is torqued out, it

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can pull everything back out of whack.

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Am I remembering that correctly?

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: no,

yeah, you're exactly right.

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That's, as I said, the belt analogy

that I use sometimes, that's

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exactly, that's what I find.

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And especially the closer it is to those.

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To those main dural attachments.

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So you know, the closer you get to

the cranium, the closer you get to

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the sacrum, the more impactful that

any torque or any twist within that

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dural system is going to show up more

there than in the middle of the spine.

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As I said, the middle of the spine.

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Actually responds better.

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I found to physical medicine.

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Like foam rolling or popping or

cracking or that kind of stuff just

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simply because it is further away.

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And sometimes people do get stuck

in patterns and that kind of thing.

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And so you can unwind this, if

everything in the middle is so

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rigid, it might not just go with it.

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So sometimes you have to help it along

to get it to, in some cases, especially,

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if someone's just had, some people that

like never had any physical medicine

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their whole life and they come in and

they're like 60 and it's just man,

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like they could really use like, what

I do, but also a full roll thing.

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Just, you just need somebody to just

tear you up and in a good way, and just

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get it, get the blood flowing and get.

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Get blood into those tissues

and get everything moving again.

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And that's going to be beneficial

for that person, probably

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more than what I do initially.

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Yeah.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

So who is your typical client?

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I know that you work with athletes

and all kinds of people like me but

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give us a little rundown on that.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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It didn't start out this way,

but my practice now is probably

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at least 75% craniofacial pain.

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So TMJ,

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Okay.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Headache,

neck pain, tinnitus that kind of stuff.

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That's.

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At least 75 percent of who I see, I work

with a lot of dentists and orthodontists.

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So that's a big part of my practice now.

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And then I don't know, maybe

15, 20 percent athletes.

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And then 5, 10 percent miscellaneous,

my back hurts, pregnant women,

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infants, whatever, but yeah, most of

it's craniofacial pain, I guess you

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can include kids with craniofacial

development issues as well.

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That's part of that group, I think, but.

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Yeah, that's mostly who I see now, but

it's a little bit more specialized than

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most chiropractors I would, I think.

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So it just happened that way.

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And I like it.

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I really enjoy it.

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I like working with the dentists

and orthodontists and myofunctional

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therapists and I enjoy that.

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I like it a lot.

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And then it's nice to have the

athletes come in that are a different.

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It's the same, but different.

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Like you said before, it's all

proprioception and it's all dural torque.

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And so it's what's causing them to go

into a sympathetic or what's causing,

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this is, so it's just, you might, the

focus might be a little different, I

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might in an athlete like in sprinters,

a lot of times we're looking at like

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major muscle groups in the lower

extremity, just because that's there.

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They get classic like hamstring issues.

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It's like for the sprinters, it's a

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

the explosive movements.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: yes, then I

come to the hamstring problem and they

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might have a glute that's not firing.

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So we get the glute to fire, he said,

I still check the pelvis, the SI joint,

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just because of the proprioception.

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I'll still check the jaw.

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Is it still relevant?

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So there's a, there's some overlap

with some of these patients.

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It's amazing how impactful the jaw is.

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The descending patterns that can happen

from the bite and the jaw, it's really

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quite incredible it's known, but I don't

feel like it's talked about very much.

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So the PGA tour, the golfers,

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: so it's illegal

for them to wear an oral appliance because

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it's potentially a performance enhancer.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Really?

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah, it

can go the other way though, too.

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More often than not the

dentist orthodontist, they're

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just focused on aesthetic.

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So they'll just throw your bite into

a, like a classic class one, just

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to, it looks good, but the jaw's in

a wrong spot and the bites way off.

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And then, they need retainers to

hold you there because that's, that's

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not where your bite wants to be.

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And so that, that'll cause a descending

pattern that'll go down all the way down.

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And so that will actually weaken somebody.

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But if you get somebody, if you work

with somebody who knows how to make

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these correctly, then you can actually,

it can be a performance enhancer, power

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lifters that it is legal for them to use.

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And there's actually brands that

market specifically to them because it

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increases that descending proprioception

and they can lift more weight with

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that appliance in their mouth.

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So

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

And I would think it'd be safer,

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too, for them to lift that

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: You

have more, perceptive capacity.

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And it's, yeah, it's better.

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You talk to people that are going through

orthodontic care and that kind of thing,

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and it totally throws off that system.

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Even if it's a good thing, it's a,

even if you're in a good direction

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for a while, your body's it's

called the stomatonathic system.

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And it's just.

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The way that your bite and your jaw

influence the neurology descending.

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And they'll be like, gosh, like

I'm so frustrated with myself.

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Like I couldn't do this yoga pose

that I could do it all the time.

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And I can't hold it.

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Something's way wrong.

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No.

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That's, it's normal.

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Especially the jaw patients.

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If we're trying to like.

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Deprogram a pattern, it's like

their job is sending out a

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signal, like, where am I in space?

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It can't find it, but that's what we

want to break that pattern, right?

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So that, yeah, so it's really impactful

with the Set of athletes, but also

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pain patients and that kind of thing.

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So there's a lot of overlap

and in terms of who I see

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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And I had Dana, Tasha on

a previous episode talking

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about myofunctional therapy.

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Yeah.

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And I know you guys work

in partnership sometimes.

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jason_craniopathy_with dr:

she articulated that so well.

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It was great.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

Yeah, she's fantastic.

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Um, so how would you

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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I've taken a lot of myofunctional

therapy courses, but I'm not

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a myofunctional therapist.

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So it's I, if there's a patient that

comes and this isn't uncommon just

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because of the population I see.

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If they've got just like a chronic

neck issue and I know enough to check

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the tongue and the mouth and like

a lot of stuff she talked about.

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Like I, I can point it out.

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And then if it's something that's a

problem and I love what she said on

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your podcast about how, just cause

the time, especially with the frenum,

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some people want to go in like star

Wars and laser every frenum, there's

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no good frenum, but a dead frenum.

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And, she made the point of Time out.

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Let's look at the function

of what's happening.

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So Yeah.

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That's the lingual phrenum, and but

that ties in, the tongue attaches into

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the jaw and into the base of the skull.

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So a lot of people, if they're, like,

if they're going to an upper cervical

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chiropractor and their upper cervical

spine keeps going out, or I keep

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having like suboccipital headaches

or neck pain, and, if I treat them

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a few times, if I find that there's

some restriction there, I note it,

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especially if it's not super obvious.

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But it's there.

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I'll be like, okay,

I'll take note of that.

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If I'm treating them a few times and

we're not getting to where we want to be.

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I might give them some tongue exercises

to do, and if it's helping or hurting

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a lot, that's when I'm like, okay,

go see the malfunction therapist.

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Because then we know

the tongue's involved.

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: 00:25:17

And then it's we want them to come

in because they're going to sit

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down with a person and Dana's.

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Evaluation is like really thorough.

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: 00:25:24

She's going to break it down and it's,

she's being really modest on your podcast.

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You She's excellent and it's

just like everything else.

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But there's, like I said, there's a

lot of malfunctional therapists who

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sometimes knowing a little bit is

dangerous, and so some of them just

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are like, the tongue is everything.

585

: 00:25:40

And it's just okay, it's

important, but it's like.

586

: 00:25:43

it's

587

: 00:25:43

part of a system.

588

: 00:25:44

So it's she really is good and she

really understands that concept.

589

: 00:25:48

And I think I, as I, I really

enjoy working with her and I

590

: 00:25:51

think she's really special.

591

: 00:25:52

Like I, I wouldn't recommend just going

to some random malfunctional therapist.

592

: 00:25:55

I

593

: 00:25:56

would, if she's not in her area,

I would try to, I don't know, get

594

: 00:25:59

a recommendation from her or call

her and try to figure it out.

595

: 00:26:01

Cause there's a, there's a an infant

baby that was referred to me like

596

: 00:26:05

last year, this baby was like.

597

: 00:26:08

When I saw her, she was like six

months old, something like that.

598

: 00:26:10

She'd already had three

tongue tie surgeries

599

: 00:26:13

and she'd been working with

a myofunctional therapist who

600

: 00:26:17

kept recommending this to her,

but it was just a disaster.

601

: 00:26:20

I was just like, you just time out.

602

: 00:26:22

This is terrible.

603

: 00:26:22

There's so much scar tissue now.

604

: 00:26:24

I It was a mess and she

wanted to do another one.

605

: 00:26:25

And I was just like,

what are we doing here?

606

: 00:26:28

I think it's just sometimes it's just

pausing is a good idea, but yeah,

607

: 00:26:35

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Right.

608

: 00:26:35

Absolutely.

609

: 00:26:37

What?

610

: 00:26:38

Um, well, Yeah.

611

: 00:26:41

And that brings me to my

next question about trauma.

612

: 00:26:44

Talk a little bit about mind

613

: 00:26:46

connection

614

: 00:26:46

jason_craniopathy_with dr: that's the area

I get into the least in my practice, but

615

: 00:26:50

I honestly feel like that's probably the

most important part of someone's health.

616

: 00:26:55

I think it's really important.

617

: 00:26:57

There's a stigma around

it and the whole thing.

618

: 00:26:59

I The way I.

619

: 00:27:00

address it as I'll have

it on my intake form.

620

: 00:27:02

I just say, just, have you had any mental,

emotional sexual trauma in your life?

621

: 00:27:07

I think those are the, I might've added

a couple of others, and it just yes or

622

: 00:27:11

no, I don't need to know the detail.

623

: 00:27:12

I'm just.

624

: 00:27:13

I said, I'm not trained in that.

625

: 00:27:14

But I just need to know that it's there

because if we're trying to get somebody

626

: 00:27:18

out of a sympathetic dominant state

and, you could be in a sympathetic

627

: 00:27:23

dominant state through, nutrition,

you could be, someone that's anemic.

628

: 00:27:26

Could be the mental, emotional

stuff could be physical stuff.

629

: 00:27:28

We're breathing like

Dana was talking about.

630

: 00:27:30

There's so many things that

could put you there, but if

631

: 00:27:32

there's,

632

: 00:27:38

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: And just

to clarify really quick, sorry to

633

: 00:27:40

interrupt you about being in a sympathetic

that's what you would probably know

634

: 00:27:43

as the fight or flight state if you're

nervous system, you know, being in

635

: 00:27:46

that kind of like, holy place versus

636

: 00:27:50

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

and You heal when

637

: 00:27:51

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: which

is what we call rest and digest.

638

: 00:27:52

It's much more calm.

639

: 00:27:53

you know,

640

: 00:27:54

jason_craniopathy_with dr: heal when

you're in, when you're in sympathetic,

641

: 00:27:55

so you could be doing everything right.

642

: 00:27:57

And you're not going to be getting the

benefit that you would get if you were

643

: 00:28:00

pulled out of that into a parasympathetic.

644

: 00:28:02

I So sometimes it's not necessarily

that the things you're doing aren't

645

: 00:28:04

working because of those things.

646

: 00:28:06

It's something else that's keeping

you from letting those things

647

: 00:28:09

work as well as they could.

648

: 00:28:10

But so I said, for me, I, if they

mark a lot of those things, then I

649

: 00:28:15

ask, I just say, where do you feel

like you are with those things?

650

: 00:28:18

As I tell them, you don't

have to talk about it.

651

: 00:28:20

Just where are you with that process?

652

: 00:28:22

So somebody like, I'm seeing somebody.

653

: 00:28:24

I feel like I'm in a really

good space with that.

654

: 00:28:26

Like I've come to peace with it.

655

: 00:28:28

Like I'm good with, I'm good in that area.

656

: 00:28:31

Some people are like, I

struggle with that every day.

657

: 00:28:33

It's a huge part of my life.

658

: 00:28:35

I've been to talk therapy and I

didn't help me or I've plateaued

659

: 00:28:39

or it, it's a disaster, right?

660

: 00:28:42

And so I just need to know where they are,

I found people are usually pretty good

661

: 00:28:45

at self reporting that they're pretty

honest with their recording of that.

662

: 00:28:49

But if they're not good, it's

just good for me to know that.

663

: 00:28:51

But then I also try to, inquire

about their willingness to pursue

664

: 00:28:57

that further in a different way.

665

: 00:28:58

Not with me again, but there's

things like EMDR I'm, I movement

666

: 00:29:02

desensitization and reprocessing.

667

: 00:29:03

There's things like brain spotting.

668

: 00:29:05

There's a, probably a million others

that I don't even know about, but

669

: 00:29:07

there's other ways you can get

into that system without having to.

670

: 00:29:11

Sit down and like traditional

talk therapy style.

671

: 00:29:14

So in this, sometimes they can

get to another level with somebody

672

: 00:29:16

like that, or make a breakthrough

that they weren't able to before.

673

: 00:29:20

If they're open to it, then

I'll recommend some people.

674

: 00:29:23

And if not that's totally fine.

675

: 00:29:25

But I do tell them like, Hey, it's it

does, it is going to be harder to get

676

: 00:29:28

you through whatever you're working with.

677

: 00:29:31

And I explained that triad of

health that we talked about before.

678

: 00:29:33

Trauma is trauma.

679

: 00:29:34

I get, doesn't matter if it's mental,

emotional, physical, chemical, like

680

: 00:29:39

we only have one stress response.

681

: 00:29:40

It's a sympathetic fight

or flight and that's it.

682

: 00:29:42

I've taken some of the EMDR

scanning work and I use that in

683

: 00:29:46

my practice, but I don't do EMDR.

684

: 00:29:48

I've just.

685

: 00:29:48

Found that helps facilitate what I'm

doing, but yeah,, I used to order labs for

686

: 00:29:54

neurotransmitters and I used to get a lot

more into that, but I just, I think it's

687

: 00:29:58

more complex than that in a lot of cases.

688

: 00:29:59

And I just didn't,

689

: 00:30:01

I just didn't, I just

didn't want to go there.

690

: 00:30:04

Necessarily, there's

a lot of pieces to it.

691

: 00:30:07

Diet's a big piece of that and

they're nutritional, but it's

692

: 00:30:10

like their home environment there.

693

: 00:30:12

There's so many factors, so it's

just, you can just do what you can do,

694

: 00:30:19

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

695

: 00:30:22

yeah.

696

: 00:30:22

Yeah.

697

: 00:30:22

And I ask because I know that stress

for me really manifests And if, I

698

: 00:30:28

might not think necessarily that I'm,

you know, under too much stress or I'm

699

: 00:30:33

ruminating on things, sometimes I'm of

it, but often my first indicator that I

700

: 00:30:38

need to, You know, get some support or

I need to chill is because I get pain.

701

: 00:30:45

that starts to kick right, what is

my know, what's it trying to say?

702

: 00:30:48

So, yeah, so that's, that's good to know.

703

: 00:30:52

Um, And you mentioned nutrition.

704

: 00:30:54

So obviously you and I have talked

about this in person a lot, but from

705

: 00:30:59

your perspective, how can nutrition

706

: 00:31:01

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

things called visceral somatic

707

: 00:31:03

and somatovisceral reflexes.

708

: 00:31:04

Essentially what that is, the same nerves

that go from your spine to innervate.

709

: 00:31:08

Muscle also goes to an organ.

710

: 00:31:12

And so there becomes this triangle

link between the organ, the spine

711

: 00:31:17

and the muscle that it's innervating.

712

: 00:31:19

And so they're on different tracks.

713

: 00:31:20

So the classic example of this, that

most people have heard of is one

714

: 00:31:23

sign of, especially males that are

getting about to have a heart attack,

715

: 00:31:26

they'll get left shoulder pain.

716

: 00:31:28

so that's the classic, but

every organ has that reflex.

717

: 00:31:32

And so they're, they've been

studied, it's a real thing.

718

: 00:31:35

And in chiropractic, we use something

called CMRT, just chiropractic

719

: 00:31:38

manipulative reflex technique.

720

: 00:31:39

in AK, they use some of the lymphatic

neurolymphatic points, neurovascular

721

: 00:31:43

points, but we can help break that

cycle down a little bit , I see this

722

: 00:31:48

one with thyroid, like all the time.

723

: 00:31:50

The lower neck is restricted.

724

: 00:31:52

The, we can get everything else to let go.

725

: 00:31:54

The lower neck stays

really rigid and tight.

726

: 00:31:58

And the lower neck is where

the brachial plexus starts.

727

: 00:32:00

So that's a big bundle of nerves that come

out of the lower cervical vertebra that,

728

: 00:32:05

that then splits up and innervates all

the muscles in your arm and your hand.

729

: 00:32:09

So if that just stays really rigid

there, then a lot of people will

730

: 00:32:12

have some problems with that.

731

: 00:32:13

And with some of these people You can

do whatever you wanted to there, but

732

: 00:32:16

it's the thyroid that's causing the

pathway and I'm like, labs are good.

733

: 00:32:20

And which is classic thyroid, right?

734

: 00:32:22

Like my labs are good, but I

still have symptoms, so it's like,

735

: 00:32:25

there's a lot of layers to that.

736

: 00:32:26

But I think one of them is

737

: 00:32:28

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

You look normal.

738

: 00:32:29

Everything's

739

: 00:32:29

jason_craniopathy_with dr: loop in terms

of the thyroid with the lower neck.

740

: 00:32:32

So we can do some kind

of organ therapy on that.

741

: 00:32:35

Sometimes like a homeopathic

or something like that.

742

: 00:32:37

It's more of an energy based thing.

743

: 00:32:39

To help break that cycle

and then get them past that.

744

: 00:32:42

But yeah you see this certain

body parts more than others.

745

: 00:32:49

Oh yeah.

746

: 00:32:50

It's, It's visceral somatic visceral.

747

: 00:32:51

Yeah, absolutely.

748

: 00:32:52

So yeah, if you have a, a

chronic muscle issue that can

749

: 00:32:56

then affect the organ and yeah,

vice versa, it goes both ways.

750

: 00:33:00

Yeah.

751

: 00:33:01

Yeah.

752

: 00:33:03

Yeah.

753

: 00:33:03

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Mm hmm.

754

: 00:33:06

So cool.

755

: 00:33:07

Yeah.

756

: 00:33:07

That's really, that's really fascinating.

757

: 00:33:09

Um, yeah.

758

: 00:33:11

just jumping back to the nutrition piece.

759

: 00:33:13

So how does that tie in for you?

760

: 00:33:16

Like if someone's, I mean, obviously

we know inflammation, like if

761

: 00:33:18

someone's eating a really diet that

can increase just they're probably

762

: 00:33:21

going to have more body pain.

763

: 00:33:23

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

764

: 00:33:23

So yeah, systemic inflammation is a tough

765

: 00:33:25

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: you

766

: 00:33:26

jason_craniopathy_with dr: In

some ways I think it's like.

767

: 00:33:27

Overdiagnosed and somebody

think it's underdiagnosed.

768

: 00:33:29

I don't know where, I don't know.

769

: 00:33:31

It's like a, I don't know how to deal with

that, but it's a weird, uh, I think the

770

: 00:33:35

mental emotional stuff ties into that.

771

: 00:33:36

I could do, they just get in that

fight or flight kind of thing.

772

: 00:33:39

I think leaky gut is a part of that.

773

: 00:33:41

So I think there's certain Certain

times I think dietary, even if it's

774

: 00:33:46

a, like a healthy diet, it's just not

right for that person at that time.

775

: 00:33:51

There's something called the ileocecal

valve, for example connects the

776

: 00:33:54

small and large intestine, but

that's really affected by like

777

: 00:33:57

fiber, like high fiber type thing.

778

: 00:33:59

So if that's active on somebody, and

usually that'll radiate in the low back.

779

: 00:34:03

So if that's happening with somebody.

780

: 00:34:05

And it's just coming up again and again.

781

: 00:34:06

I'll have them go on a really low fiber

diet for a while, just for a while.

782

: 00:34:12

I make sure to tell them that

this isn't like a healthy diet.

783

: 00:34:14

This isn't like what you're

supposed to do forever.

784

: 00:34:16

This is just to get you out of this.

785

: 00:34:18

And we'll do some physical

medicine stuff as well, but like

786

: 00:34:21

we need more help than that.

787

: 00:34:23

But no diet's a huge piece.

788

: 00:34:25

It's a big deal.

789

: 00:34:26

There's a patient I had

recently, he's an older guy.

790

: 00:34:28

, I think he had a lot of

lymphatic drainage issues.

791

: 00:34:31

He had a lot of metal issues

and that was causing a lot of

792

: 00:34:34

head and neck pain for him.

793

: 00:34:36

he went on like a is it a MAO inhibitor?

794

: 00:34:39

The it's a, I think it's the

enzyme that breaks down histamine.

795

: 00:34:44

DAO.

796

: 00:34:45

That's what it, yeah.

797

: 00:34:45

Sorry.

798

: 00:34:47

And man, it was like a game changer for

him to really, it was amazing for him.

799

: 00:34:51

And then, I'd never heard of it.

800

: 00:34:55

I'd never heard of it.

801

: 00:34:56

It was a business.

802

: 00:34:57

I was like, wow, this is cool.

803

: 00:34:58

I started looking into it.

804

: 00:34:59

And there's just so many, as much as

you think, there's always a million

805

: 00:35:02

times more.

806

: 00:35:03

So yeah, you can't carry

it too high on your horse.

807

: 00:35:05

But yeah, so

808

: 00:35:07

yeah, I

809

: 00:35:07

he did so well with that.

810

: 00:35:09

And then the we had him start using

a rebounder for the lymphatic stuff.

811

: 00:35:12

Cause working with his naturopath on

the metal detox and he was getting

812

: 00:35:15

like a terrible, reaction because he

813

: 00:35:17

just wasn't doing the lymph and

this, but the, yeah, with the

814

: 00:35:21

rebounder and that MAO is like.

815

: 00:35:23

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah,

816

: 00:35:23

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

He's doing great.

817

: 00:35:24

No, it's, and then like anemia is

like a big, if someone's anemic

818

: 00:35:27

and they're not getting oxygen

to their cells, then it's like

819

: 00:35:31

nothing works.

820

: 00:35:32

I don't, nothing's gonna

there, so it's like the patient

821

: 00:35:34

that Dana was talking about.

822

: 00:35:35

That's.

823

: 00:35:36

I've got sleep disordered breathing.

824

: 00:35:38

I It's essentially like a form of anemia.

825

: 00:35:39

I They're not getting oxygen to

their cells and it's like that.

826

: 00:35:42

And that's why they end up having, every

disease you don't want your chance of

827

: 00:35:45

getting it increases exponentially with

apnea and sleep disordered breathing,

828

: 00:35:49

cardiovascular disease, stroke, I

everything, but it's just, you're

829

: 00:35:52

literally starving yourselves of oxygen.

830

: 00:35:55

So it's a huge deal.

831

: 00:36:01

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Do

you find that that's more common?

832

: 00:36:03

I mean, At least from what I know

I know anemia is so much more

833

: 00:36:06

common with women just periods.

834

: 00:36:08

And if are having heavy periods,

it's especially problematic.

835

: 00:36:12

Um, I know, you know, a lot

of us want to be giving blood.

836

: 00:36:16

I've actually had my doctor Whoa,

you got to back year, max, I.

837

: 00:36:20

you know, can easily get anemic.

838

: 00:36:21

So,

839

: 00:36:22

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

840

: 00:36:22

For that specifically, definitely.

841

: 00:36:24

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

speaking to that a little bit

842

: 00:36:25

jason_craniopathy_with dr: any teenage

girl that comes in, usually if I'm seeing

843

: 00:36:29

a teenage girl, it's for a craniofacial

dental assessment of what's going on.

844

: 00:36:35

And they've been to 12 different

dentists, orthodontists, and they've

845

: 00:36:38

got 12 different opinions and they

don't know what to, which one, so

846

: 00:36:41

I try to guide them on what would

be helpful and that kind of thing.

847

: 00:36:44

But then the other group.

848

: 00:36:45

Would be athletes.

849

: 00:36:48

And so a lot of times, and this

isn't specific to female athletes.

850

: 00:36:51

It's just, like you said, female athletes.

851

: 00:36:53

Now they're, especially the teenage

girls, like they're on their cycle.

852

: 00:36:56

So they can't respond as well

because they have, they're losing

853

: 00:36:59

so much blood, and they're anemic.

854

: 00:37:00

So usually a teenager isn't eating well to

begin with their sleep schedule is trash,

855

: 00:37:04

and then all these athletes are training.

856

: 00:37:06

And so it's and the first thing I do

with almost any of them is order labs.

857

: 00:37:10

Or have their primary practitioner,

somebody, just order labs.

858

: 00:37:14

And let's just that's

the elephant in the room.

859

: 00:37:16

I'm not even going to give you, I'll

work on them while they're there,

860

: 00:37:20

but I'm not going to have you take

this, that, or the other thing.

861

: 00:37:22

If you're a new Nick, like that's

862

: 00:37:24

First stop.

863

: 00:37:25

And then that's the most important thing.

864

: 00:37:27

And most of them are, that comes

back and they, lo and behold, like a

865

: 00:37:31

classic sign I see with this, with the

athlete, the female athletes is like.

866

: 00:37:35

They'll come in with one

spot Oh, it hurts right here.

867

: 00:37:37

So we'll do, I usually work systemically

and then at the end, I focus on that

868

: 00:37:41

point cause nothing happens in a vacuum.

869

: 00:37:43

So I said, I kind of work on

the big things and then hone in

870

: 00:37:46

on the smaller stuff, but we'll

dig into that and whatever.

871

: 00:37:49

And then next week they'll come

in and be like, this is gone, but

872

: 00:37:52

now it hurts like my hamstring

on my, on the other side hurts.

873

: 00:37:56

oKay.

874

: 00:37:57

So once that happens a couple of

times, I'm like, it's pain that like

875

: 00:38:01

jumping

876

: 00:38:01

all around.

877

: 00:38:02

So it's not, if it was a

torn peck or something, then

878

: 00:38:05

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

Jumping around.

879

: 00:38:06

jason_craniopathy_with dr: it would be

very clear and they would come back.

880

: 00:38:07

It's the same thing or, we're

either making progress or we're

881

: 00:38:10

not, but it's like in the same area.

882

: 00:38:12

And it's it's just hopping everywhere.

883

: 00:38:14

They don't know if they're tired or

not usually because they're all on,

884

: 00:38:17

energy drinks and they're all, like

they don't know their bodies well enough

885

: 00:38:21

to answer some of these questions that

like, I took it for granted for a while.

886

: 00:38:24

I, I don't trust them anymore.

887

: 00:38:26

I don't trust, I don't

trust what they tell me.

888

: 00:38:27

Like I trust what the parents

tell me that I read the.

889

: 00:38:30

I just do my assessment and see, but

yeah, they, if I have any doubt, I have

890

: 00:38:34

no qualms with Hey, I hope it's negative.

891

: 00:38:36

I'm just like, I, I hope it is.

892

: 00:38:38

So that I feel like we need to rule

this out and invite them and I was

893

: 00:38:40

like, why are you getting the blood?

894

: 00:38:41

Just get the vitamin D as well.

895

: 00:38:43

So it's such a big one.

896

: 00:38:45

And then, most of the time, those teenage

girls are anemic, and then they said for

897

: 00:38:49

adult women, a lot of times it's I'm sure

you see this a lot of the low progesterone

898

: 00:38:53

and really high estrogen or like a

really inflammatory type of estrogen.

899

: 00:38:57

That's complicated too.

900

: 00:38:58

Is it some of that's maybe the sleep

disordered breathing, some of that's

901

: 00:39:01

diet, once the hormones are off, it's

like you have to wrangle everything in.

902

: 00:39:05

It's there's so many, you can go at

it from a thousand different angles.

903

: 00:39:11

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

904

: 00:39:14

Yeah, and I see often too that

doctors will do labs and they'll do

905

: 00:39:17

some standard iron testing but they

don't necessarily look at ferritin

906

: 00:39:20

and then once tested it's in the

tank and that's storage form of iron.

907

: 00:39:25

And I know I was complaining.

908

: 00:39:28

I was thinning?

909

: 00:39:28

And all these things,

it's like, well, you.

910

: 00:39:31

have no ferritin.

911

: 00:39:32

You can't, you know, going to do for you.

912

: 00:39:34

jason_craniopathy_with dr: So you weren't

in a unit, but you were like on the edge,

913

: 00:39:38

they would just check your red blood

cells and be like, Oh, this is fine.

914

: 00:39:41

But you just made sure you

hadn't fallen off the cliff yet.

915

: 00:39:43

Is that what

916

: 00:39:44

you mean?

917

: 00:39:44

Right.

918

: 00:39:44

Yeah.

919

: 00:39:45

Yeah.

920

: 00:39:45

Okay.

921

: 00:39:47

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

922

: 00:39:47

Always low end of normal.

923

: 00:39:49

No low end of normal.

924

: 00:39:51

And

925

: 00:39:51

jason_craniopathy_with dr: No, absolutely.

926

: 00:39:53

Yeah.

927

: 00:39:53

It's a, that's a big one.

928

: 00:39:55

Yeah,

929

: 00:39:55

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: It's another

930

: 00:39:56

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah, I think

as practitioners, we all have to get

931

: 00:39:58

over our own, we all just want to get

into what we do, but I feel it's most

932

: 00:40:02

beneficial to the patient to at least

have some understanding of other systems.

933

: 00:40:07

And it depends on the

population you work with, right?

934

: 00:40:10

And yeah, I said, I work with a

lot of dentists and orthodontists.

935

: 00:40:13

I see this a lot, like they

even the really good ones.

936

: 00:40:15

I They have one appliance they focus in

on or one They're just airway focused, or

937

: 00:40:20

just jaw focused, or just bite focused.

938

: 00:40:23

But if you affect one, you affect

the other one, so it's like you

939

: 00:40:25

have to have some understanding

940

: 00:40:27

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

941

: 00:40:27

There's

942

: 00:40:28

jason_craniopathy_with dr: How one affects

the other one, or, I see a lot of patients

943

: 00:40:31

that, that the reason they're in my

office, the adult pain patients is because

944

: 00:40:34

of the ortho work that they had done.

945

: 00:40:36

So their bite looks really pretty,

but now they have an airway problem

946

: 00:40:39

and a TMD problem and headaches.

947

: 00:40:41

And it's it's really big, they had

issues beforehand, but it was really

948

: 00:40:44

the, the the orthodontic work, he

said, intentioned, but that was what

949

: 00:40:48

kind of sent them the wrong way.

950

: 00:40:50

And a lot of it's just I guess with

everybody, most people just want to do

951

: 00:40:53

the minimum and that's, it may serve

them well for a lot of people, but

952

: 00:40:56

yeah, I think a lot of people maybe need

more than just a minimum assessment.

953

: 00:41:00

And my thing is if you're getting

labs anyway, why not, if you're

954

: 00:41:03

assessing somebody for thyroid, like.

955

: 00:41:06

Why wouldn't you test

other things besides TSH?

956

: 00:41:08

Like you're getting it done anyway.

957

: 00:41:10

They're getting the blood drawn.

958

: 00:41:11

Just, tack on a few things,

what's it, what is it?

959

: 00:41:14

Is it a cost of extra 10 bucks?

960

: 00:41:15

I don't know, it's a

little odd how that works.

961

: 00:41:18

yeah, some of it's just.

962

: 00:41:19

The insurance system maybe, or I don't

know, but it's frustrating for sure.

963

: 00:41:27

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

964

: 00:41:29

some, some medical doctors don't

necessarily that depth training to

965

: 00:41:32

look at, you know, what we would

consider functional medicine labs.

966

: 00:41:36

and you know, like if it's not something

that you've been trained to interpret,

967

: 00:41:40

you don't want to run It It makes

again, Yeah, and their hands are tied.

968

: 00:41:44

They have so little time and.

969

: 00:41:47

Um, yeah, I mean, even even my doctors

are like, look, we can't run these things

970

: 00:41:52

too often because your insurance is

going to start flagging it and be like,

971

: 00:41:54

no, going to pay for this too often.

972

: 00:41:56

So you know, how often

973

: 00:41:57

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

You can, there's, as you, you

974

: 00:41:59

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

you know, it's not

975

: 00:42:00

jason_craniopathy_with dr: there's some

awesome tests that are out of pocket,

976

: 00:42:02

but then it's that's limiting too.

977

: 00:42:04

There's some really cool tests that

you can do, but it's just it's got to

978

: 00:42:07

be selective because otherwise it's

just really tough in that regard.

979

: 00:42:10

The other thing that comes to

mind though for what you're

980

: 00:42:12

saying with like female specific.

981

: 00:42:14

Is the hypermobility

982

: 00:42:15

That's a big part of my practice too.

983

: 00:42:17

And it's mostly, it's more

females than males for sure.

984

: 00:42:21

But yeah, there's like connective tissue

disorders, like Marfan's or, Danlos

985

: 00:42:26

syndrome, and there's others that are like

diagnosed connective tissue disorders.

986

: 00:42:30

And there's like categories

within those diagnoses.

987

: 00:42:33

And it's it's actually hard to get a

definitive diagnosis and be put in it.

988

: 00:42:37

Cause there's so many, they put

them up like EDS has, I don't know,

989

: 00:42:41

at least 10 different variations

of, so those are just man made.

990

: 00:42:46

Descriptions for this, are they all

actually a variation of EDS or are those

991

: 00:42:50

like really separate things that we

just don't have a better category for?

992

: 00:42:56

You know what I mean?

993

: 00:42:56

If it's just, it's our man made

construct that we put together.

994

: 00:42:59

Yeah.

995

: 00:42:59

But there, there is a, studies shows

about the range is wide, but the

996

: 00:43:03

average is like a quarter of the

population that has something called

997

: 00:43:06

general hypermobility syndrome.

998

: 00:43:07

It has a few names, but that's the

most common, what I've heard it called.

999

: 00:43:11

So that just means that your joints move.

: 1000

00:43:13,257 --> 00:43:16,347

a little more than the average person,

but you're not necessarily on the

: 1001

00:43:16,347 --> 00:43:20,547

spectrum of a diagnosed connective

tissue disorder, but you are more

: 1002

00:43:20,547 --> 00:43:22,237

likely to have musculoskeletal pain.

: 1003

00:43:22,517 --> 00:43:24,967

And then, like we talked about

earlier, where is that going to

: 1004

00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:28,747

show up the most prolifically

in the SI joint and in the jaw?

: 1005

00:43:28,817 --> 00:43:29,697

It's a proprioception.

: 1006

00:43:30,157 --> 00:43:33,727

So those patients I see a lot

of those patients and then

: 1007

00:43:34,247 --> 00:43:35,557

it's tough because they don't.

: 1008

00:43:35,982 --> 00:43:39,122

There's only so many therapies they

can actually have done to them, right?

: 1009

00:43:39,122 --> 00:43:45,442

So if a joint is unstable at all The

body responds by it that means that they

: 1010

00:43:45,442 --> 00:43:49,372

have ligament laxity right essentially

if they're a little unstable so the

: 1011

00:43:49,372 --> 00:43:51,782

ligament attaches the bone to bone

: 1012

00:43:52,317 --> 00:43:54,632

So that ligament isn't strong

enough, isn't tight enough.

: 1013

00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:56,932

And that's a systemic thing,

problem for this group.

: 1014

00:43:57,342 --> 00:43:59,472

So they move a little

more than they should.

: 1015

00:43:59,482 --> 00:44:02,972

So the body's response to that is

that muscles act like ligaments.

: 1016

00:44:02,982 --> 00:44:05,242

Muscles will tighten up to

create the stability for

: 1017

00:44:05,242 --> 00:44:05,812

that person.

: 1018

00:44:06,582 --> 00:44:08,962

So now they'll have this

chronic muscle tension.

: 1019

00:44:09,922 --> 00:44:13,512

So you could go to a rolfer

or the massage therapist.

: 1020

00:44:13,932 --> 00:44:17,092

And they can release that for

you, but is that a good thing?

: 1021

00:44:17,152 --> 00:44:18,912

then what's holding you together.

: 1022

00:44:18,912 --> 00:44:23,072

And by the time you're down the street,

you, it's going to, if it's from

: 1023

00:44:23,072 --> 00:44:27,622

that instability, it's going to come

back again, hit you back and then,

: 1024

00:44:27,662 --> 00:44:28,882

so sometimes you don't want that.

: 1025

00:44:29,207 --> 00:44:29,847

to let go.

: 1026

00:44:29,857 --> 00:44:33,327

If it's a case of an athlete, like a

female, that's why so many young girls,

: 1027

00:44:33,527 --> 00:44:37,987

soccer players, they get the, it's called

the terrible triad, but it's an ACL tear

: 1028

00:44:37,987 --> 00:44:40,387

and MCL tear and a medial meniscus tear.

: 1029

00:44:40,387 --> 00:44:41,687

They call it the terrible triad.

: 1030

00:44:42,927 --> 00:44:43,787

It's terrible.

: 1031

00:44:43,787 --> 00:44:47,337

And it's like the classic female,

young female soccer player.

: 1032

00:44:47,617 --> 00:44:48,207

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

yeah, that does

: 1033

00:44:48,307 --> 00:44:50,737

jason_craniopathy_with dr: It's partly

because I think those players I've

: 1034

00:44:50,737 --> 00:44:53,337

been able to predict who's going to

get that with patients that come in,

: 1035

00:44:53,367 --> 00:44:56,497

there's some joint laxity tests that

you can do and things like that.

: 1036

00:44:56,507 --> 00:44:57,777

And say, Hey, you're at

a really high risk of.

: 1037

00:44:58,427 --> 00:45:00,747

happen, and just, just keep an eye on it.

: 1038

00:45:00,827 --> 00:45:03,807

And, I don't tell them to stop playing

or anything, that's their decision, but I

: 1039

00:45:03,827 --> 00:45:07,387

think they should know that they're in a

higher risk category for that happening.

: 1040

00:45:07,777 --> 00:45:08,237

But a lot of those,

: 1041

00:45:10,097 --> 00:45:10,387

yeah,

: 1042

00:45:13,617 --> 00:45:16,477

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: and then

can they do preventative exercise

: 1043

00:45:16,507 --> 00:45:16,767

jason_craniopathy_with dr: yeah.

: 1044

00:45:16,767 --> 00:45:17,457

So that group,

: 1045

00:45:17,567 --> 00:45:17,747

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: just

: 1046

00:45:17,812 --> 00:45:19,732

jason_craniopathy_with dr: I've I've just

seen so many of them like I've gotten

: 1047

00:45:19,742 --> 00:45:25,112

down like a pretty good So a lot of times

like I said, they can't go get massage.

: 1048

00:45:25,152 --> 00:45:28,202

That doesn't work for them Regular

chiropractic doesn't make any sense if

: 1049

00:45:28,202 --> 00:45:31,402

the joints unstable to begin with why am

I gonna create more motion in the joint?

: 1050

00:45:31,402 --> 00:45:34,502

but again, they go to chiropractors

and chiropractors will do that

: 1051

00:45:34,572 --> 00:45:37,672

and there's like Even the EDS

patients and I'm like, why would a

: 1052

00:45:37,672 --> 00:45:39,152

chiropractor adjust an EDS patient?

: 1053

00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:40,927

What's the possible rationale?

: 1054

00:45:40,927 --> 00:45:41,317

I don't know.

: 1055

00:45:41,337 --> 00:45:43,327

But so they're just very limited.

: 1056

00:45:43,327 --> 00:45:47,517

So what I found was, like I said, we try

more to get the work with the neurology

: 1057

00:45:47,517 --> 00:45:52,727

and get the proprioceptive feedback in the

SI joint, the jaw, and then try and work

: 1058

00:45:52,727 --> 00:45:55,267

on the spine in a way that's safe for them

: 1059

00:45:55,747 --> 00:45:56,497

And get everything.

: 1060

00:45:56,807 --> 00:45:58,817

And usually they'll get a

really good response to that.

: 1061

00:45:59,307 --> 00:46:01,837

And it'll hold for some of them

for a certain amount of time.

: 1062

00:46:01,887 --> 00:46:04,907

Some of them, if they, because a lot

of them do have jaw issues as well,

: 1063

00:46:04,947 --> 00:46:08,177

as I said, because that's such a big

piece of the proprioceptive work.

: 1064

00:46:08,187 --> 00:46:11,457

And especially if they've had a ton of

dental stuff, whatever they'll have jaw.

: 1065

00:46:11,777 --> 00:46:15,407

So some of them do really well with a

stabilizing appliance to create that

: 1066

00:46:15,417 --> 00:46:19,187

descending stability, like we talked

about before, some of them, if we

: 1067

00:46:19,187 --> 00:46:23,187

can't get that SI joint stable enough

there's things called SI belts, which

: 1068

00:46:23,197 --> 00:46:24,997

kind of help to support the SI joint.

: 1069

00:46:25,602 --> 00:46:28,902

And then there's things called

prolotherapy injections, which they

: 1070

00:46:28,902 --> 00:46:30,682

can use in the SI joint to tight.

: 1071

00:46:30,682 --> 00:46:33,282

So they're, it's like a sugar

substance, so it's actually an

: 1072

00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:36,032

irritant, but they shoot it in

there and it tightens the ligament.

: 1073

00:46:36,322 --> 00:46:39,662

And that can be a, essentially I

try to get them somewhat stable.

: 1074

00:46:40,012 --> 00:46:43,022

And then I found they

transitioned to Pilates

: 1075

00:46:43,647 --> 00:46:45,847

Then we're both seeing

them for a little while.

: 1076

00:46:45,877 --> 00:46:47,367

And then they wean off of me.

: 1077

00:46:47,822 --> 00:46:49,382

And go more towards Pilates.

: 1078

00:46:49,442 --> 00:46:54,672

And then once they're really cruising,

then I start having them, okay, now that

: 1079

00:46:54,672 --> 00:46:58,152

your spine is strong, so that's what, it's

all about stability in Pilates, right?

: 1080

00:46:58,182 --> 00:47:02,422

So now that you've got a strong core

and spine, now start working with

: 1081

00:47:02,422 --> 00:47:06,822

a trainer to develop more muscle

mass in your joints in general.

: 1082

00:47:06,872 --> 00:47:09,902

So now that you've got this good base,

like we've worked on the proprioception,

: 1083

00:47:10,332 --> 00:47:14,982

We've gotten everything even level

the Pilates person has gotten you,

: 1084

00:47:15,222 --> 00:47:19,192

strengthen your spine and stability

and you're, you're good there now

: 1085

00:47:19,192 --> 00:47:24,052

work on, safely doing weight training

because the building muscles, what's

: 1086

00:47:24,052 --> 00:47:25,502

going to stabilize the joint for them.

: 1087

00:47:25,652 --> 00:47:28,332

So that's going to be a huge deal,

but they can't, most of them,

: 1088

00:47:28,382 --> 00:47:29,472

not all of us, some of them can.

: 1089

00:47:29,482 --> 00:47:33,132

Most of them can't just jump into weight

training cause they're just not stable

: 1090

00:47:33,132 --> 00:47:34,452

and they have no stability anywhere.

: 1091

00:47:34,452 --> 00:47:35,082

So it's just.

: 1092

00:47:35,632 --> 00:47:38,992

And if, you just go work with a random

trainer, both of them are going to

: 1093

00:47:38,992 --> 00:47:40,662

want you to do a full range of motion.

: 1094

00:47:41,262 --> 00:47:44,122

So these people, I if you have them

do like a bicep curl, I if I'm doing

: 1095

00:47:44,122 --> 00:47:50,782

a bicep curl, my own anatomy stops me

at even, but if I have a weight in my

: 1096

00:47:50,782 --> 00:47:54,942

hand and I'm hyper mobile, I'm hyper

extending my elbow with every single

: 1097

00:47:54,942 --> 00:47:58,807

rep, or if I'm doing a squat, no,

their butt will go and touch the floor

: 1098

00:47:59,067 --> 00:48:00,527

and then come back up with weight.

: 1099

00:48:00,587 --> 00:48:04,987

And so it's it's not, somebody has

to stop them from getting into those,

: 1100

00:48:06,037 --> 00:48:08,897

You're better off even going

less than all the way down.

: 1101

00:48:08,917 --> 00:48:12,267

Stopping here instead of going all the

way to here, you'd be much better off.

: 1102

00:48:12,697 --> 00:48:15,307

So just working with somebody that

understands hypermobility and...

: 1103

00:48:15,687 --> 00:48:17,957

But we've had really good

success with those patients.

: 1104

00:48:18,057 --> 00:48:23,007

I said, just weaning them off of more

dependent type care with me and then

: 1105

00:48:23,017 --> 00:48:27,507

getting them more into proactive type

care where, so some of them, I said,

: 1106

00:48:27,507 --> 00:48:32,157

they just check in when they bang their

foot on a table or, it's like something

: 1107

00:48:32,167 --> 00:48:34,897

happens and they're there, I'll see

them again and I, how's everything?

: 1108

00:48:34,897 --> 00:48:36,047

They'll be like, Oh, it's great.

: 1109

00:48:36,097 --> 00:48:36,712

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Right, yeah.

: 1110

00:48:36,867 --> 00:48:38,397

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

I just did this thing, yeah.

: 1111

00:48:38,477 --> 00:48:42,507

But that's a really much more common

in females, the general hypermobility.

: 1112

00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:45,187

But, I think some of that goes

back to the work you do too.

: 1113

00:48:45,187 --> 00:48:48,157

And then I think the nutrition piece,

sometimes they're not eating enough

: 1114

00:48:48,157 --> 00:48:50,957

calories, sometimes they're not

getting enough collagen, sometimes

: 1115

00:48:50,957 --> 00:48:52,077

they're not getting enough protein.

: 1116

00:48:52,087 --> 00:48:53,067

Like I think a lot, cause that's,

: 1117

00:48:54,877 --> 00:48:55,297

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Mm hmm.

: 1118

00:48:55,332 --> 00:48:56,772

jason_craniopathy_with dr: So yeah,

they're trying to build muscle.

: 1119

00:48:56,772 --> 00:48:58,172

And then I'm like, well, what do you need?

: 1120

00:48:58,232 --> 00:48:58,782

You know?

: 1121

00:48:58,832 --> 00:49:02,192

And they're like, Grass

and water face, awesome.

: 1122

00:49:02,262 --> 00:49:02,622

Okay.

: 1123

00:49:03,657 --> 00:49:06,967

yeah, and I'm training like

five times a day, and I don't

: 1124

00:49:06,967 --> 00:49:08,407

understand why I'm getting injured.

: 1125

00:49:08,407 --> 00:49:09,267

It's so crazy.

: 1126

00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:10,387

Yeah, that's crazy

: 1127

00:49:10,602 --> 00:49:12,212

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

it's like pizza and

: 1128

00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:14,587

jason_craniopathy_with dr: no,

: 1129

00:49:15,522 --> 00:49:16,352

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: right.

: 1130

00:49:16,757 --> 00:49:18,837

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

No, I mean it's in guys too.

: 1131

00:49:18,867 --> 00:49:22,507

I mean there's a guy I was treating

recently came in with a his knee and his

: 1132

00:49:22,507 --> 00:49:26,247

hip were bothering him and he had been

to PTs and I'm doing like one legged

: 1133

00:49:26,297 --> 00:49:28,527

BOSU ball squats and all kinds of stuff.

: 1134

00:49:28,527 --> 00:49:31,837

This guy I just had him hold

on to something and try to just

: 1135

00:49:31,847 --> 00:49:36,427

bend his legs down and his knees

were like shaking in the wind.

: 1136

00:49:36,427 --> 00:49:40,137

So he had no mobility in his ankles,

no mobility in his hips and then too

: 1137

00:49:40,137 --> 00:49:41,677

much mobility in his knee, right?

: 1138

00:49:41,677 --> 00:49:43,877

So you want mobility in certain

joints, but you want more

: 1139

00:49:43,877 --> 00:49:45,007

stability in other joints.

: 1140

00:49:45,077 --> 00:49:46,267

Like you want stability.

: 1141

00:49:46,737 --> 00:49:50,997

In your SI joint, in your knee, you want

mobility in your hip and your ankle.

: 1142

00:49:51,457 --> 00:49:55,947

So he was all which way, so it's and

he just, he had heard that someone

: 1143

00:49:55,947 --> 00:49:59,397

told him I could just turn on a muscle

and that everything would be fine.

: 1144

00:49:59,397 --> 00:50:01,956

And, I was like, man, I wish,

but you, you need to be like,

: 1145

00:50:01,956 --> 00:50:06,136

completely broken down and re redone,

as and that was a, I referred him

: 1146

00:50:06,136 --> 00:50:07,876

to a PT that was just a perfect.

: 1147

00:50:08,426 --> 00:50:11,386

Because they're, you just give them

like a diagnosis and they've got

: 1148

00:50:11,386 --> 00:50:13,046

all their algorithms and all that.

: 1149

00:50:13,046 --> 00:50:15,806

They're going to work with him and

torture him in a thousand different ways.

: 1150

00:50:15,826 --> 00:50:19,086

And it's I can't just, this isn't

just your, Oh, your pelvis is a

: 1151

00:50:19,086 --> 00:50:22,286

little twisted or, Oh, this quad,

this hip flexor is not firing.

: 1152

00:50:22,966 --> 00:50:24,146

Oh, this, it was a mess.

: 1153

00:50:24,166 --> 00:50:27,196

So it's it's in guys too but

he was a distance runner.

: 1154

00:50:27,216 --> 00:50:29,366

So distance running is

naturally catabolic.

: 1155

00:50:29,716 --> 00:50:31,136

So I'm like, what are you eating?

: 1156

00:50:31,676 --> 00:50:34,456

And again, it's he was a vegetarian

and I was like, okay that's fine.

: 1157

00:50:34,456 --> 00:50:37,516

But it's you have to know you're tearing

your body down like that, you need

: 1158

00:50:37,776 --> 00:50:41,806

collagen, you need protein, you need, so

he's really started thinking, he started

: 1159

00:50:41,806 --> 00:50:46,396

breaking down his calories and he's going

out on these like 10, 15, 20 mile runs

: 1160

00:50:46,456 --> 00:50:48,706

and he was eating like: 1800

: 1161

00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:50,736

He's an adult male that's running.

: 1162

00:50:51,536 --> 00:50:54,796

So it's like, man, I was like, even

with PT, like you have no chance.

: 1163

00:50:55,306 --> 00:50:55,536

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: not

: 1164

00:50:55,616 --> 00:50:56,946

jason_craniopathy_with dr: have

to address this other piece.

: 1165

00:50:56,956 --> 00:50:58,656

And then, so I don't know.

: 1166

00:51:01,046 --> 00:51:01,376

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Right.

: 1167

00:51:03,156 --> 00:51:03,556

Yeah.

: 1168

00:51:04,166 --> 00:51:05,326

You have to eat like an athlete.

: 1169

00:51:06,216 --> 00:51:11,346

I have a client that's exactly that,

you know, a woman, but in midlife,

: 1170

00:51:11,726 --> 00:51:13,346

endurance athlete, vegetarian.

: 1171

00:51:14,136 --> 00:51:15,076

and it is a challenge.

: 1172

00:51:15,811 --> 00:51:16,661

to get enough of needs.

: 1173

00:51:16,921 --> 00:51:19,951

It's not about, you know, because so

many people come to me with fat loss and

: 1174

00:51:19,951 --> 00:51:21,531

they're so concerned about eating less.

: 1175

00:51:21,531 --> 00:51:22,381

It's like, no, no, no.

: 1176

00:51:22,381 --> 00:51:24,611

We've got to get you

more of the right foods.

: 1177

00:51:24,611 --> 00:51:26,041

Like you're not actually nourished.

: 1178

00:51:26,471 --> 00:51:31,211

So of course your body is

going to effectively store fat.

: 1179

00:51:31,561 --> 00:51:34,031

You're not going to have an easy

time building the muscle that

: 1180

00:51:34,031 --> 00:51:35,931

you want to get that honed look.

: 1181

00:51:36,501 --> 00:51:40,171

You have to get enough of the

right thing, enough real nutrition.

: 1182

00:51:40,171 --> 00:51:41,221

And the protein is a big one.

: 1183

00:51:41,521 --> 00:51:41,801

women

: 1184

00:51:41,946 --> 00:51:42,616

jason_craniopathy_with dr: I believe it.

: 1185

00:51:42,656 --> 00:51:44,496

I said, I think, in some

ways that there's like

: 1186

00:51:44,716 --> 00:51:45,276

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

And I think it's more

: 1187

00:51:45,326 --> 00:51:47,676

jason_craniopathy_with dr: almost like a

cultural state, like my wife's Chinese.

: 1188

00:51:47,726 --> 00:51:49,666

And so I see it a lot in that community.

: 1189

00:51:49,716 --> 00:51:53,676

They think if you go to the gym five

days, you're going to look like.

: 1190

00:51:54,241 --> 00:51:56,491

Female Bo, like Hulk Hogan or like The

: 1191

00:51:56,491 --> 00:51:57,421

Hulk or something.

: 1192

00:51:57,691 --> 00:51:59,671

And I'm like, you wish it was that easy?

: 1193

00:51:59,691 --> 00:52:00,751

You wish it was that easy?

: 1194

00:52:01,711 --> 00:52:04,031

so they all, they All yeah, exactly.

: 1195

00:52:04,051 --> 00:52:04,391

I knew.

: 1196

00:52:04,721 --> 00:52:06,356

Yeah, they and then the other thing is

: 1197

00:52:06,376 --> 00:52:07,541

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

this conversation all the

: 1198

00:52:07,566 --> 00:52:08,611

of us women think that

: 1199

00:52:08,916 --> 00:52:10,236

jason_craniopathy_with dr: weight

and health and everything through.

: 1200

00:52:10,971 --> 00:52:12,981

Diet, but then they end up not eating.

: 1201

00:52:12,981 --> 00:52:14,811

And what they end up doing

is snacking all the time.

: 1202

00:52:14,861 --> 00:52:16,941

They just graze on like junk crap.

: 1203

00:52:17,221 --> 00:52:19,471

And it's just you're better

off eating like a good meal.

: 1204

00:52:19,551 --> 00:52:22,511

That's more your forte, but it's yeah,

I just feel like there's some like

: 1205

00:52:22,511 --> 00:52:26,051

kind of basic misunderstandings with

some of that stuff that you know,

: 1206

00:52:28,841 --> 00:52:29,051

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: yep.

: 1207

00:52:29,551 --> 00:52:33,701

And it's pervasive worldwide Like, we're

just, that's what we've had, you know,

: 1208

00:52:34,061 --> 00:52:37,221

drilled into our heads for so long.

: 1209

00:52:38,031 --> 00:52:38,691

So long.

: 1210

00:52:38,711 --> 00:52:39,311

Too long.

: 1211

00:52:39,601 --> 00:52:39,841

But there.

: 1212

00:52:40,311 --> 00:52:42,591

Out of that now, I think we're starting

to come out of it and people are

: 1213

00:52:42,591 --> 00:52:46,851

starting to understand a little bit

more that the eat less, exercise more

: 1214

00:52:46,871 --> 00:52:50,541

thing is a dead end and all the crap

we were taught, especially in the

: 1215

00:52:50,541 --> 00:52:52,261

eighties and nineties is nonsense.

: 1216

00:52:52,811 --> 00:52:59,451

And it's to start treating our bodies with

a different attitude, you know, with some

: 1217

00:52:59,521 --> 00:53:04,431

respect and learning how we actually can

nurture and nourish ourselves and give

: 1218

00:53:04,431 --> 00:53:05,531

our bodies what they need to function

: 1219

00:53:05,701 --> 00:53:07,771

jason_craniopathy_with dr: a lot of

people like message board readers

: 1220

00:53:07,771 --> 00:53:09,071

that come in and be like I read that.

: 1221

00:53:09,071 --> 00:53:10,321

What about, what do you think about this?

: 1222

00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:11,451

Or I read about this.

: 1223

00:53:11,451 --> 00:53:12,111

What do you think about that?

: 1224

00:53:12,161 --> 00:53:15,901

I feel like there's almost too much

information, like information's good,

: 1225

00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:19,101

but it's like I said, there's a lot

of like half truths or quarter truths

: 1226

00:53:19,141 --> 00:53:22,961

rolling around that I feel like said

it's good to research in a way, but

: 1227

00:53:22,961 --> 00:53:26,601

I find some of those people that are

like, They're so stuck because they've

: 1228

00:53:26,601 --> 00:53:27,901

heard a thousand different things.

: 1229

00:53:27,901 --> 00:53:30,442

And now the I can't do that

because of this, and a no, that

: 1230

00:53:30,442 --> 00:53:31,282

won't work because of this.

: 1231

00:53:31,502 --> 00:53:36,332

So they either do nothing or they go

like full bore down some rabbit hole.

: 1232

00:53:36,812 --> 00:53:38,332

Do you find that a lot in your,

: 1233

00:53:41,997 --> 00:53:45,667

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah

I I do and it's interesting because

: 1234

00:53:45,707 --> 00:53:49,467

people often come to see me when

they're exhausted by doing that

: 1235

00:53:49,822 --> 00:53:52,112

They've been doing that for a while

and they're like, this isn't helping.

: 1236

00:53:52,152 --> 00:53:54,122

Like I'm not getting anywhere with this.

: 1237

00:53:54,122 --> 00:53:55,242

I'm not making progress.

: 1238

00:53:55,272 --> 00:53:56,242

I'm not feeling better.

: 1239

00:53:56,242 --> 00:53:56,912

My life is

: 1240

00:53:56,982 --> 00:53:58,802

jason_craniopathy_with dr: that's a

big step though, like to come to that

: 1241

00:53:58,862 --> 00:54:00,852

realization that's a, that's great.

: 1242

00:54:00,942 --> 00:54:02,062

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: down for me.

: 1243

00:54:02,862 --> 00:54:03,012

it.

: 1244

00:54:03,012 --> 00:54:03,392

is.

: 1245

00:54:05,592 --> 00:54:06,162

Yeah.

: 1246

00:54:07,012 --> 00:54:07,392

Yeah.

: 1247

00:54:07,392 --> 00:54:09,202

And I love it I

: 1248

00:54:09,252 --> 00:54:11,182

jason_craniopathy_with dr: But

you have context with, you,

: 1249

00:54:11,402 --> 00:54:12,432

that's the difference, right?

: 1250

00:54:12,452 --> 00:54:14,182

You have a context to which to place

: 1251

00:54:14,182 --> 00:54:14,412

it

: 1252

00:54:14,522 --> 00:54:17,872

that I think probably the average

person doesn't have that context.

: 1253

00:54:17,872 --> 00:54:18,142

So it's

: 1254

00:54:18,347 --> 00:54:18,627

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1255

00:54:18,627 --> 00:54:18,887

It's my

: 1256

00:54:19,042 --> 00:54:20,821

jason_craniopathy_with dr: like you say,

you'll read it in the news, one thing

: 1257

00:54:20,881 --> 00:54:24,031

don't ever eat butter, and then the

next day, like, all you should eat is

: 1258

00:54:24,041 --> 00:54:25,811

butter and you can survive on butter.

: 1259

00:54:26,216 --> 00:54:28,416

It's like, what do I do?

: 1260

00:54:28,476 --> 00:54:30,296

And it has to be grass fed butter.

: 1261

00:54:30,296 --> 00:54:30,906

And then, it's

: 1262

00:54:30,926 --> 00:54:30,976

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: all

: 1263

00:54:31,147 --> 00:54:31,236

jason_craniopathy_with dr: just

: 1264

00:54:31,256 --> 00:54:33,626

so many, it's yeah, if you

don't have a context, like a

: 1265

00:54:33,636 --> 00:54:33,996

base

: 1266

00:54:34,006 --> 00:54:34,606

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: the brakes.

: 1267

00:54:35,136 --> 00:54:37,326

jason_craniopathy_with dr: what's going

on, I feel like it's really confusing.

: 1268

00:54:37,326 --> 00:54:38,216

And I don't know.

: 1269

00:54:38,456 --> 00:54:38,806

Yeah.

: 1270

00:54:40,006 --> 00:54:43,476

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Mm For sure.

: 1271

00:54:44,036 --> 00:54:44,446

Yeah.

: 1272

00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:45,896

Well, it's the same

thing that You're doing.

: 1273

00:54:45,896 --> 00:54:47,056

I mean, you're looking at the individual.

: 1274

00:54:47,056 --> 00:54:48,786

What is their situation, right?

: 1275

00:54:48,806 --> 00:54:51,526

Where is, what is their

physical state of being?

: 1276

00:54:51,536 --> 00:54:53,016

What's their emotional state of being?

: 1277

00:54:53,356 --> 00:54:54,656

And how do we.

: 1278

00:54:54,656 --> 00:55:00,176

Look at this, not in a vacuum, but

as a whole person who is, you know,

: 1279

00:55:00,486 --> 00:55:05,236

emotional and spiritual and physical,

and how can we blend those things to

: 1280

00:55:05,236 --> 00:55:10,536

help them live serves them well and

helps them have a better quality of life.

: 1281

00:55:11,906 --> 00:55:16,506

You know, the Western world, we

don't really think that way as much,

: 1282

00:55:16,546 --> 00:55:20,376

you know, we see a that in Eastern

medicine that takes a more holistic

: 1283

00:55:20,376 --> 00:55:23,506

approach, but here we do tend to

look at, you know, specialties

: 1284

00:55:23,536 --> 00:55:24,816

and we look at things in a vacuum.

: 1285

00:55:24,816 --> 00:55:26,806

And I think that that's excellent.

: 1286

00:55:26,846 --> 00:55:29,476

If you're dealing in

acute care, necessary.

: 1287

00:55:29,616 --> 00:55:31,576

Thank God we have that for many reasons.

: 1288

00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:37,456

But if we're like, you know, long term

chronic stuff that's not getting fixed in.

: 1289

00:55:37,691 --> 00:55:43,501

you know, our typical medicine system

or preventative care or, you know, Hey,

: 1290

00:55:43,511 --> 00:55:48,521

like the things that you and I see all

the time, you know, with me, it be.

: 1291

00:55:48,946 --> 00:55:49,636

gut health.

: 1292

00:55:49,666 --> 00:55:54,826

inflammation, maybe food sensitivities,

skin issues, that are all linked

: 1293

00:55:54,856 --> 00:55:57,336

into nutrition, gut health.

: 1294

00:55:57,336 --> 00:56:00,446

And then, you know, the physical

manifestations of all these things

: 1295

00:56:00,446 --> 00:56:05,466

that you're seeing that, you know,

just because one little thing is off

: 1296

00:56:05,476 --> 00:56:09,256

structurally, it affects rest of your body

and your organ function and everything.

: 1297

00:56:09,626 --> 00:56:12,381

So I think it's really

exciting now that but.

: 1298

00:56:12,981 --> 00:56:13,251

You know,

: 1299

00:56:13,596 --> 00:56:13,936

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Or who's

: 1300

00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,221

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: a lot

of funding different studies to prove

: 1301

00:56:16,231 --> 00:56:18,691

And now because there's more interest

in it, it's becoming more mainstream.

: 1302

00:56:18,841 --> 00:56:24,031

We are seeing yeah, yeah, we are seeing

more data and more it's super exciting.

: 1303

00:56:24,441 --> 00:56:29,591

Um, so on the lines of prevention,

prevention or preventative medicine,

: 1304

00:56:31,041 --> 00:56:34,851

do you, well, just tell me a

little bit about how people can.

: 1305

00:56:35,546 --> 00:56:39,581

Use you or how your work

acts preventatively as well.

: 1306

00:56:39,581 --> 00:56:42,071

I mean, you on that a little bit

as far as, you know, addressing

: 1307

00:56:42,071 --> 00:56:44,051

proprioception, that kind of thing.

: 1308

00:56:44,231 --> 00:56:47,331

But if someone comes in and is like, Hey,

I don't have any necessarily I just wanna

: 1309

00:56:47,331 --> 00:56:49,431

make sure I'm taking care of my body.

: 1310

00:56:49,436 --> 00:56:53,981

I wanna age well, I wanna make sure that

know, am caring for it structurally.

: 1311

00:56:54,311 --> 00:56:55,931

I have a lot of clients who.

: 1312

00:56:56,776 --> 00:56:58,206

you know, call whatever you will.

: 1313

00:56:58,216 --> 00:57:01,826

They just want to really optimize

their performance physically, mentally.

: 1314

00:57:02,431 --> 00:57:02,661

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1315

00:57:02,661 --> 00:57:05,391

Like you said, I think the

motivation for people nowadays is

: 1316

00:57:05,486 --> 00:57:06,716

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

craniopathy can help with

: 1317

00:57:06,851 --> 00:57:09,551

jason_craniopathy_with dr: just there's

just so many tools and tricks and toys and

: 1318

00:57:10,091 --> 00:57:11,761

so many different viewpoints with that.

: 1319

00:57:11,761 --> 00:57:12,591

But yeah.

: 1320

00:57:12,661 --> 00:57:13,481

Yeah, absolutely.

: 1321

00:57:13,491 --> 00:57:15,581

I lot of it depends on what

the person's got going on.

: 1322

00:57:15,601 --> 00:57:18,791

I, if somebody that's completely

asymptomatic comes into my office.

: 1323

00:57:19,311 --> 00:57:21,481

If you poke around enough,

you'll find something, right?

: 1324

00:57:21,561 --> 00:57:24,871

Like in New York, if you run enough

tests on somebody, you'll find

: 1325

00:57:24,871 --> 00:57:26,181

something that needs to be tweaked.

: 1326

00:57:26,181 --> 00:57:30,441

But it's that, some pain symptoms are

always the, it's the last thing to show

: 1327

00:57:30,441 --> 00:57:31,801

up, but it's the first thing to go.

: 1328

00:57:32,741 --> 00:57:36,021

aNd there's some people that have

a really, people have different.

: 1329

00:57:36,351 --> 00:57:37,541

Experiences with pain.

: 1330

00:57:37,551 --> 00:57:40,961

I Some people come in, I said, I work

a lot on the head and neck and the

: 1331

00:57:40,961 --> 00:57:43,601

jaw, no matter who I see, just cause

it's relevant, so someone might come

: 1332

00:57:43,601 --> 00:57:47,321

in with a knee problem, but I'm up here

anyway, I'll check and their jaw is

: 1333

00:57:47,731 --> 00:57:52,551

completely off, like tons of degeneration

in the joint, their neck is a mess.

: 1334

00:57:52,601 --> 00:57:56,441

And I'll be like, I'll look back at

the, their intake form and nothing

: 1335

00:57:56,441 --> 00:57:58,001

about neck pain, nothing about jaw pain.

: 1336

00:57:58,001 --> 00:57:59,671

I'll be like, by the way.

: 1337

00:58:01,426 --> 00:58:03,296

Yeah, there's like a brick wall back here.

: 1338

00:58:03,326 --> 00:58:03,866

Like, how's it?

: 1339

00:58:04,216 --> 00:58:05,886

Yeah, it's a little tight, but I,

: 1340

00:58:06,406 --> 00:58:06,586

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: How

: 1341

00:58:06,586 --> 00:58:08,106

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

I don't, doesn't bother me.

: 1342

00:58:08,426 --> 00:58:13,616

It's okay, versus some people come

in and they're like, man, 10 pain.

: 1343

00:58:13,616 --> 00:58:14,716

I'm dying here.

: 1344

00:58:14,736 --> 00:58:18,666

And you'll find one little, the

athletes are like that because

: 1345

00:58:18,666 --> 00:58:20,086

they're so in tune with their body.

: 1346

00:58:20,096 --> 00:58:21,936

If they have one little thing.

: 1347

00:58:22,456 --> 00:58:24,196

It'll show up, especially the sprinters.

: 1348

00:58:24,226 --> 00:58:27,626

Cause they're just, they're like, you're

just going in a line as fast as you can.

: 1349

00:58:27,636 --> 00:58:29,736

Any little thing,

they're going to feel it.

: 1350

00:58:30,266 --> 00:58:34,596

And so it just, I think it's kind of

maintenance for the body, but at the same

: 1351

00:58:34,596 --> 00:58:36,066

time, I think it depends who you are.

: 1352

00:58:36,066 --> 00:58:39,846

I I think anyone could benefit

from being more aligned and getting

: 1353

00:58:40,481 --> 00:58:43,131

tension off of their head and

neck and they're getting their,

: 1354

00:58:43,231 --> 00:58:45,841

proprioceptive system working better.

: 1355

00:58:45,861 --> 00:58:48,681

Like you said, I don't think there's

any way that could hurt anybody.

: 1356

00:58:49,201 --> 00:58:52,101

Saying that most of the patients

I see are pain patients, right?

: 1357

00:58:52,131 --> 00:58:55,551

So they, it's, they've got something

that's going on that's bothering them.

: 1358

00:58:55,951 --> 00:58:58,941

Some people respond really quick

to that and I don't see them again.

: 1359

00:58:59,191 --> 00:58:59,701

It's fine.

: 1360

00:58:59,711 --> 00:59:01,361

It's whatever they want out of care.

: 1361

00:59:01,441 --> 00:59:03,731

Some people are like, I don't

want that to happen again.

: 1362

00:59:04,281 --> 00:59:08,661

And so once we get them stable, we go for

like a minimum effective dose essentially.

: 1363

00:59:08,661 --> 00:59:10,041

So we just keep spacing it out.

: 1364

00:59:10,911 --> 00:59:14,501

So some people check in once a year

and they're, there's yeah, it's

: 1365

00:59:14,501 --> 00:59:17,091

a little tight, but I just want

to stay ahead of it or whatever.

: 1366

00:59:17,091 --> 00:59:18,771

I haven't seen you in a year or two.

: 1367

00:59:19,161 --> 00:59:20,271

So I'll see what's going on.

: 1368

00:59:20,911 --> 00:59:22,931

So really for adults, it just depends.

: 1369

00:59:22,951 --> 00:59:25,861

There's so many things that you could

do for yourself, so to me, it's

: 1370

00:59:25,911 --> 00:59:29,501

man, it's You know, like if you're

really focused on your nutrition.

: 1371

00:59:29,946 --> 00:59:33,606

And you don't really have, you feel

pretty good physically, maybe it's

: 1372

00:59:33,606 --> 00:59:36,756

the mental, emotional, spiritual

part that you need to work on.

: 1373

00:59:36,866 --> 00:59:41,086

Or if it's I think it's just everyone, you

only have so much time, money, resources,

: 1374

00:59:41,086 --> 00:59:42,556

effort, you only have so much of it.

: 1375

00:59:42,556 --> 00:59:43,106

So I think it's just.

: 1376

00:59:43,556 --> 00:59:47,426

For adults, it's really just, what's

pressing and then finding ways to

: 1377

00:59:47,476 --> 00:59:49,136

help yourself in a lot of ways.

: 1378

00:59:49,136 --> 00:59:54,416

But I think to ward off a lot of cranial

strain and then, a lot of issues.

: 1379

00:59:54,476 --> 01:00:00,386

I think kids are really it's good to

get kids evaluated correctly early.

: 1380

01:00:00,386 --> 01:00:01,886

And Dana touched on this too.

: 1381

01:00:02,276 --> 01:00:05,216

Cranial development, starts, really early.

: 1382

01:00:05,226 --> 01:00:08,266

Like your cranium is mostly developed

by the time you're 10 years old.

: 1383

01:00:09,076 --> 01:00:11,836

So cranial strains and this kind

of thing that are putting a torque.

: 1384

01:00:12,316 --> 01:00:16,146

On the cranium and that, an

underdevelopment of the maxilla, that's

: 1385

01:00:16,146 --> 01:00:20,446

what we, that's why people have crooked

teeth, because, if this bone doesn't

: 1386

01:00:20,446 --> 01:00:23,576

get to the size and shape it needs to

get to, then there's not enough room

: 1387

01:00:23,576 --> 01:00:27,126

for the adult teeth, and then, and said,

you and Dana touched on some of these

: 1388

01:00:27,126 --> 01:00:31,956

things, but I think getting those things

fixed while they're still growing.

: 1389

01:00:32,111 --> 01:00:34,871

With the right intervention, it

said there's a lot of intervention,

: 1390

01:00:34,871 --> 01:00:38,601

but the right intervention, it

could be a really easy thing.

: 1391

01:00:38,631 --> 01:00:43,471

Like I, I see kids maybe four or five

times and, sometimes they don't even

: 1392

01:00:43,471 --> 01:00:46,781

have to see the dentist their teeth

are straight or, they're breathing

: 1393

01:00:47,031 --> 01:00:48,431

if they're breathing correctly.

: 1394

01:00:48,741 --> 01:00:53,571

So the thing, my work and Dana's work

to an extent, if you can catch the kids,

: 1395

01:00:53,571 --> 01:00:55,701

like I said, like before they're 10.

: 1396

01:00:56,691 --> 01:01:02,131

If you correct the cranial strain and

you correct the oral dysfunction, so

: 1397

01:01:02,131 --> 01:01:05,441

instead of, if you get them to nose, nasal

brain, lips together, tongue on the top

: 1398

01:01:05,441 --> 01:01:08,471

of their mouth, especially if they're

sleeping like that, you help them with

: 1399

01:01:08,471 --> 01:01:10,101

the cranial strain, get them aligned.

: 1400

01:01:10,811 --> 01:01:13,111

While they're growing, they'll

start, they'll self correct

: 1401

01:01:13,411 --> 01:01:14,101

because they're growing.

: 1402

01:01:14,131 --> 01:01:15,321

You're just keeping them on.

: 1403

01:01:15,841 --> 01:01:18,891

You don't need a lot of

intervention in dental appliance.

: 1404

01:01:18,891 --> 01:01:22,131

Doesn't have to be this

big, major, crazy thing.

: 1405

01:01:22,141 --> 01:01:23,921

A lot of them aren't even

pushing in the right way.

: 1406

01:01:23,921 --> 01:01:26,651

Anyway, there's a certain

way the cranium grows.

: 1407

01:01:27,071 --> 01:01:29,761

Most of the dental appliances

are not pushing in that way.

: 1408

01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:32,221

They're just distorting the

bone or pushing the teeth.

: 1409

01:01:32,221 --> 01:01:35,301

Or I said, that's where the intention's

there, but there's just not an

: 1410

01:01:35,301 --> 01:01:39,211

understanding of cranial growth

and development once it's an adult.

: 1411

01:01:39,981 --> 01:01:43,481

The work that said, and Dana did a good

job of articulating this also, but it

: 1412

01:01:43,481 --> 01:01:45,261

becomes a lot more complicated, right?

: 1413

01:01:46,281 --> 01:01:50,441

And sometimes you actually have to have,

even though the dental piece is the last

: 1414

01:01:50,471 --> 01:01:54,886

piece that, that is, is, The problem

sometimes you have to have them go in

: 1415

01:01:54,886 --> 01:01:59,876

and do things to make, change the size

and shape of this, and then, get things

: 1416

01:01:59,876 --> 01:02:03,951

leveled out and it, clear out that, you

see the ENT, you see the, the list of

: 1417

01:02:03,951 --> 01:02:06,886

practitioners you could see with these

issues is you could be seeing 20 of 'em.

: 1418

01:02:06,886 --> 01:02:10,966

People literally, and they all really

have a legitimate place to be helping.

: 1419

01:02:10,966 --> 01:02:13,426

It just gets really complicated

and really expensive.

: 1420

01:02:14,006 --> 01:02:17,036

So I think getting the kids

the right intervention early.

: 1421

01:02:17,351 --> 01:02:21,231

Can really ward off so many, cause if

they're getting, if they're getting

: 1422

01:02:21,231 --> 01:02:25,851

restful sleep and then, their craniums

growing to the size and shape it needs

: 1423

01:02:25,851 --> 01:02:28,271

to, and that kind of, they're probably

not going to need orthodontic work.

: 1424

01:02:28,281 --> 01:02:30,451

That's a ton of money you

save as a parent, right?

: 1425

01:02:30,911 --> 01:02:32,681

They're probably going

to do better in school,

: 1426

01:02:33,421 --> 01:02:33,731

right?

: 1427

01:02:33,771 --> 01:02:34,881

They're not going to be as exhaust.

: 1428

01:02:34,881 --> 01:02:38,091

They're not going to like stress eat

or emotional eat, or, they're probably

: 1429

01:02:38,161 --> 01:02:40,701

going to be more even keeled and be

able to, they're going to be more in a

: 1430

01:02:40,701 --> 01:02:44,571

parasympathetic, so they're not going

to be as prone to getting sick and all.

: 1431

01:02:44,611 --> 01:02:45,531

I There's so many.

: 1432

01:02:46,096 --> 01:02:50,896

I think the biggest prevention

is getting kids checked early.

: 1433

01:02:50,936 --> 01:02:54,856

And then, if something doesn't

feel right, get a second opinion.

: 1434

01:02:55,946 --> 01:02:58,246

That's like the biggest thing I have to

say, like I said, like that baby with

: 1435

01:02:58,286 --> 01:03:02,136

the three tongue tie surgeries by the

time this kid was six months old you see

: 1436

01:03:02,136 --> 01:03:05,386

that stuff all the time and it's like

the parents are so well intentioned.

: 1437

01:03:06,006 --> 01:03:09,226

And I think the practitioner is too,

but they just know what they know.

: 1438

01:03:09,296 --> 01:03:11,126

And then we all get in our

tunnel vision sometimes.

: 1439

01:03:11,126 --> 01:03:12,096

I'm guilty of it too.

: 1440

01:03:12,146 --> 01:03:15,286

I think we all have, you can't

know everything all the time.

: 1441

01:03:15,416 --> 01:03:17,256

So it's just, but I do

think getting multiple

: 1442

01:03:17,856 --> 01:03:18,426

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

oh we all are,

: 1443

01:03:19,226 --> 01:03:20,846

jason_craniopathy_with dr: even if

it costs a little bit of money, I

: 1444

01:03:20,866 --> 01:03:23,176

think it's, I think it's worth it

because if you're going to spend

: 1445

01:03:23,176 --> 01:03:24,596

the money and the effort to do it.

: 1446

01:03:24,991 --> 01:03:27,631

And especially as a parent with

the kids, like if you're going to

: 1447

01:03:27,651 --> 01:03:30,321

like the myofunctional stuff, it's

like the Dana does, it takes the,

: 1448

01:03:30,451 --> 01:03:33,231

if you're dealing with a kid, the

parent has, it's Hey, you got to do

: 1449

01:03:33,232 --> 01:03:34,611

your myofunctional therapy exercises.

: 1450

01:03:34,611 --> 01:03:36,521

And when you think kids are going to

say I don't want to do my myofunctional,

: 1451

01:03:36,621 --> 01:03:39,131

if they don't work, if they don't

do them, the dental appliances,

: 1452

01:03:39,131 --> 01:03:40,421

like a lot of the removable ones.

: 1453

01:03:40,661 --> 01:03:43,611

Like they don't use a lot of force

and they can really do major,

: 1454

01:03:43,741 --> 01:03:45,651

majorly positive things for the kid.

: 1455

01:03:45,771 --> 01:03:47,801

They don't work if they're on

the shelf, so it's like the

: 1456

01:03:47,801 --> 01:03:49,161

parent has to be involved.

: 1457

01:03:49,171 --> 01:03:50,421

The kid has to be involved.

: 1458

01:03:50,431 --> 01:03:52,621

Everyone's got to be as a

team working together and you

: 1459

01:03:52,621 --> 01:03:54,961

could really prevent so many.

: 1460

01:03:55,406 --> 01:03:56,306

So many issues.

: 1461

01:03:56,466 --> 01:03:56,816

Yeah.

: 1462

01:03:58,986 --> 01:04:03,956

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

yeah, yeah, yeah, well, parents,

: 1463

01:04:04,436 --> 01:04:06,616

we'll give you too for Dr.

: 1464

01:04:06,616 --> 01:04:09,446

Skoppa and everything that's shown

out so that you can access these.

: 1465

01:04:10,111 --> 01:04:15,151

Um, Resources and I'll have to

put in the show notes, a link to

: 1466

01:04:15,151 --> 01:04:18,841

the episode with Dana Tasha, who's

the myofunctional therapist too.

: 1467

01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:23,791

So what are some of the most common

mistakes, Jason, that habits that we

: 1468

01:04:23,791 --> 01:04:25,851

have when it comes to like posture and

: 1469

01:04:25,982 --> 01:04:27,902

jason_craniopathy_with dr: The biggest

one I see in my practice, again, that's

: 1470

01:04:27,902 --> 01:04:32,562

just because of who I see a lot of TMD,

craniofacial pain people is the, a lot

: 1471

01:04:32,562 --> 01:04:35,712

of them will have really bad neck pain

and some of them will actually have,

: 1472

01:04:35,712 --> 01:04:38,772

so it's called TOS, but thoracic outlet

syndrome where they're getting like

: 1473

01:04:38,862 --> 01:04:42,552

ridiculous pain, like shooting into

their hands and shoot, but it's from

: 1474

01:04:42,552 --> 01:04:44,292

a loss of that cervical curve, right?

: 1475

01:04:44,502 --> 01:04:46,836

Like you said, the

posture, this, the neck is.

: 1476

01:04:47,136 --> 01:04:51,046

straight or coming forward like that,

and when that happens, it puts an

: 1477

01:04:51,106 --> 01:04:55,896

exponential amount of stress on the

lower cervical spine, and that's

: 1478

01:04:55,896 --> 01:05:00,346

where 90 percent of degeneration and

disc herniations happen in the neck,

: 1479

01:05:00,566 --> 01:05:02,526

and that's because of that process.

: 1480

01:05:03,306 --> 01:05:06,706

And I was told in school that as

chiropractors, we can fix that.

: 1481

01:05:06,776 --> 01:05:09,296

I've had chiropractors swear

to me that they can fix that.

: 1482

01:05:10,206 --> 01:05:14,486

And I'm like, show me, can show me,

they can show me like a immediate

: 1483

01:05:14,486 --> 01:05:15,346

thing, but I'm like, all okay.

: 1484

01:05:15,346 --> 01:05:17,226

Show me a follow up six months later.

: 1485

01:05:17,756 --> 01:05:18,386

it's not there.

: 1486

01:05:18,676 --> 01:05:20,246

And again, Dana pointed on this too.

: 1487

01:05:20,246 --> 01:05:22,826

I think most of those cases where

the neck's coming forward like

: 1488

01:05:22,826 --> 01:05:24,556

that it's actually an airway issue.

: 1489

01:05:25,146 --> 01:05:28,166

So you'll see that in a cone beam CT

scan and it was a lateral cone beam

: 1490

01:05:28,176 --> 01:05:31,866

CT that the, the neck, the airway

will go down like this and there'll be

: 1491

01:05:31,866 --> 01:05:33,776

like an hourglass kink in the airway.

: 1492

01:05:34,456 --> 01:05:37,236

So if you have that kink in

the airway to get a little, if

: 1493

01:05:37,236 --> 01:05:38,436

your neck's curved like this.

: 1494

01:05:39,061 --> 01:05:42,961

And the airways in the front and you

have a kink to get a little more space.

: 1495

01:05:43,021 --> 01:05:47,131

The neck will push forward like

that to create more space in the

: 1496

01:05:47,141 --> 01:05:50,891

airway and they're going to have

more of a forward posture like that.

: 1497

01:05:51,231 --> 01:05:52,881

Even somebody without an airway issue.

: 1498

01:05:52,911 --> 01:05:55,601

If I had you run up and down a flight

of stairs a hundred times, what's the

: 1499

01:05:55,601 --> 01:05:56,851

posture you get in when you're done?

: 1500

01:05:57,796 --> 01:06:01,276

Hands would be on your knees, your

neck would be extended because it

: 1501

01:06:01,276 --> 01:06:02,576

opens your airway for yourself.

: 1502

01:06:02,586 --> 01:06:04,756

But these people are walking

around like that all the time.

: 1503

01:06:05,476 --> 01:06:09,226

And so I think getting the airway,

it's easier said than done.

: 1504

01:06:09,226 --> 01:06:13,046

I mean that a cone beam CT and

an echopharyngometry reading are

: 1505

01:06:13,086 --> 01:06:17,306

the gold standard for diagnosing

that component of airway.

: 1506

01:06:17,896 --> 01:06:18,276

So those

: 1507

01:06:18,276 --> 01:06:24,546

are Yeah, so I there's some, and like

you say you have some tongue stuff and

: 1508

01:06:24,546 --> 01:06:28,356

some other stuff, so that's a, it's

a piece, but it's part of it too, is

: 1509

01:06:28,356 --> 01:06:29,866

like, how much is it bothering you?

: 1510

01:06:30,136 --> 01:06:33,016

And then how much time, money and

effort do you want to throw at it?

: 1511

01:06:33,086 --> 01:06:38,319

So it's so some people, there's

a ton of things that can be done.

: 1512

01:06:38,699 --> 01:06:42,849

And it's just what's, I try to make it

a mix of what does that patient need?

: 1513

01:06:42,859 --> 01:06:42,879

Yeah.

: 1514

01:06:43,399 --> 01:06:45,639

And what do they want out of care, right?

: 1515

01:06:45,699 --> 01:06:48,469

So if they're fairly stable and

they're doing okay, their symptoms

: 1516

01:06:48,469 --> 01:06:50,538

are good, they're, they're okay.

: 1517

01:06:51,169 --> 01:06:53,389

Then, they might just check

in every once in a while.

: 1518

01:06:53,389 --> 01:06:54,009

They're fine.

: 1519

01:06:54,009 --> 01:06:55,779

We maybe don't go any further with that.

: 1520

01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:58,999

But if it's like a chronic issue, or

I think they really have a serious.

: 1521

01:06:59,794 --> 01:07:02,874

Some people they're, the airway is

so kinked, they can't even lay on

: 1522

01:07:02,874 --> 01:07:04,194

their back because they're choking.

: 1523

01:07:04,204 --> 01:07:04,913

They can't breathe.

: 1524

01:07:05,644 --> 01:07:09,054

It depends how severe it is with

how, sometimes an oral appliance can

: 1525

01:07:09,054 --> 01:07:13,284

open that up by, by bringing the jaw

down and forward and releasing that.

: 1526

01:07:13,799 --> 01:07:17,359

But if that kink is from tonsils or

it's from something else, then obviously

: 1527

01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:18,529

you have to address it that way.

: 1528

01:07:18,569 --> 01:07:22,129

So there's a myriad of different

paths that can be taken just depending

: 1529

01:07:22,129 --> 01:07:25,459

on how the patient presents and

how what they want out of care.

: 1530

01:07:25,749 --> 01:07:28,989

So that's one that in terms of

posture the sitting is another one

: 1531

01:07:28,989 --> 01:07:34,189

that's pretty big Yeah, exactly.

: 1532

01:07:34,299 --> 01:07:36,269

I think tech snack is just I don't think

: 1533

01:07:36,274 --> 01:07:37,194

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

in front of the computer.

: 1534

01:07:37,194 --> 01:07:37,354

We're

: 1535

01:07:37,489 --> 01:07:38,939

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

because I think it's airway.

: 1536

01:07:38,939 --> 01:07:39,969

Yeah, I think Texan actives.

: 1537

01:07:40,019 --> 01:07:40,899

It's ridiculous.

: 1538

01:07:40,919 --> 01:07:44,279

Think of like people like, 150 years ago,

: 1539

01:07:44,404 --> 01:07:44,844

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Okay.

: 1540

01:07:45,189 --> 01:07:48,029

jason_craniopathy_with dr: they got how

much they were reading in candlelight,

: 1541

01:07:49,064 --> 01:07:54,844

yeah, come on, newspaper, like being like,

this isn't, it's not like a new thing.

: 1542

01:07:54,874 --> 01:07:55,449

I don't, I don't.

: 1543

01:08:00,154 --> 01:08:00,334

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Well, I

: 1544

01:08:00,349 --> 01:08:01,439

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

That's a whole nother, yeah.

: 1545

01:08:01,504 --> 01:08:02,254

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: argue is

: 1546

01:08:02,624 --> 01:08:04,509

jason_craniopathy_with dr: EMS is

like a whole, yeah, I've had some

: 1547

01:08:04,509 --> 01:08:08,879

interesting cases of EMS, but yeah,

I think essentially just move,

: 1548

01:08:08,899 --> 01:08:14,619

however you, whatever works for you,

whatever, I think just moving is

: 1549

01:08:14,619 --> 01:08:17,825

good and I like functional movements

you see a lot of older people, they.

: 1550

01:08:18,814 --> 01:08:21,944

Like they can't get up off a couch or

they can't get up off a toilet seat.

: 1551

01:08:22,033 --> 01:08:24,084

So it's like, how important is squatting?

: 1552

01:08:24,203 --> 01:08:28,294

Just, so it's like doing it doesn't have

to be like, I think, I'm sure you see this

: 1553

01:08:28,304 --> 01:08:31,254

too, where people think they have to spend

two hours in a gym and just not true.

: 1554

01:08:31,304 --> 01:08:31,964

Not true.

: 1555

01:08:31,984 --> 01:08:35,654

You can get a ton done in 10, 15

minutes at your house with some

: 1556

01:08:35,663 --> 01:08:37,394

bands or a kettlebell or something.

: 1557

01:08:37,404 --> 01:08:40,663

I I think, weight, some kind of weight

training is useful and then you can

: 1558

01:08:40,663 --> 01:08:42,904

keep it really simple and just focus on.

: 1559

01:08:43,419 --> 01:08:47,158

Really functional movements that

matter to you and then mix it up

: 1560

01:08:47,158 --> 01:08:48,559

with some upper and lower body.

: 1561

01:08:48,559 --> 01:08:52,339

And it helps to work with somebody to,

at the beginning to make sure your form's

: 1562

01:08:52,368 --> 01:08:56,118

good and all that stuff, just cause but

I don't think it has to be complicated.

: 1563

01:08:56,198 --> 01:08:57,859

I love the orange theory thing.

: 1564

01:08:57,889 --> 01:08:59,169

Like I've had patients like.

: 1565

01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:04,389

It's like the hit, exercise, they go in,

they just get their butt kicked for 45

: 1566

01:09:04,389 --> 01:09:08,429

minutes or whatever it is, and they come

out and there's a community of people

: 1567

01:09:08,448 --> 01:09:09,679

and there's are there some negatives?

: 1568

01:09:09,698 --> 01:09:10,339

Is it perfect?

: 1569

01:09:10,368 --> 01:09:13,109

No do they maybe push themselves

a little too hard sometimes?

: 1570

01:09:13,118 --> 01:09:14,818

Yeah, maybe because it's

a group exercise class.

: 1571

01:09:15,344 --> 01:09:19,243

But the point is they're going, and

that's the, and then, and then it's

: 1572

01:09:19,274 --> 01:09:23,984

just about keeping up, uh, like to your,

point, the nutrition and that kind of

: 1573

01:09:23,993 --> 01:09:27,854

stuff to make sure, but, or if there is

a, I think for a lot of people that are

: 1574

01:09:27,854 --> 01:09:32,354

not athletes, they have adults that have

trouble knowing something like exercise

: 1575

01:09:32,504 --> 01:09:35,384

induced soreness versus I have a problem.

: 1576

01:09:36,693 --> 01:09:37,073

Yeah.

: 1577

01:09:37,084 --> 01:09:39,594

So people that aren't athletes,

like sometimes they'll I

: 1578

01:09:39,594 --> 01:09:40,544

don't want to exercise.

: 1579

01:09:40,584 --> 01:09:41,854

Oh, I was really hurting.

: 1580

01:09:41,854 --> 01:09:43,323

I was really sore afterwards.

: 1581

01:09:43,323 --> 01:09:44,163

And I was like that's okay.

: 1582

01:09:44,953 --> 01:09:47,974

Like we have to talk through was

it something that was a problem

: 1583

01:09:47,974 --> 01:09:52,504

or was it just that you haven't

exercised in a million years and

: 1584

01:09:52,504 --> 01:09:54,914

now you're exercising and maybe you

did a little too much the first day.

: 1585

01:09:54,943 --> 01:09:55,354

So what's.

: 1586

01:09:55,719 --> 01:09:56,529

What is that?

: 1587

01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:58,449

And then talk them through that.

: 1588

01:09:58,449 --> 01:10:01,759

But I just I love something

called foundation training maybe

: 1589

01:10:01,759 --> 01:10:04,979

we can link to that, but I think

that's just a great thing to do.

: 1590

01:10:04,979 --> 01:10:07,159

If you sit a lot, just

to break up your day.

: 1591

01:10:07,309 --> 01:10:09,079

He's got his name, Derek Goodman.

: 1592

01:10:09,149 --> 01:10:12,139

He's a chiropractor down in Southern

California, but he's come up with a lot of

: 1593

01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:17,519

spine rehab tools, do a lot of excessive

And Flexion or extension of the spine.

: 1594

01:10:19,029 --> 01:10:22,289

And I think some people can handle those

and have no problem, but for some people

: 1595

01:10:22,309 --> 01:10:24,519

they'll set them off in a negative way.

: 1596

01:10:24,519 --> 01:10:27,729

I like his exercises

because spine is neutral.

: 1597

01:10:28,419 --> 01:10:32,789

And so you're really focused on more

strengthening the posterior chain

: 1598

01:10:32,789 --> 01:10:36,469

specifically, like all the way down in the

glutes, hamstrings, low back, having those

: 1599

01:10:36,469 --> 01:10:40,559

fire as a unit, and then moving from the

hips versus the joints in the low back.

: 1600

01:10:41,049 --> 01:10:44,719

And I like that a lot in terms of

both a preventative, but also if you.

: 1601

01:10:45,229 --> 01:10:46,239

Are having problems.

: 1602

01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,299

Like I've given that to people that

have come crawling into my office and

: 1603

01:10:49,299 --> 01:10:50,979

I've given it to everyone in between.

: 1604

01:10:50,999 --> 01:10:54,029

And they benefit from it and said,

he's got books, DVDs and stuff, but

: 1605

01:10:54,029 --> 01:10:55,379

he's got a free YouTube channel.

: 1606

01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:56,909

That's usually where I point people.

: 1607

01:10:56,909 --> 01:11:00,469

And then there's one specific, he's

got a bunch of different series.

: 1608

01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,809

So I just have people start with

the, it's called the founder.

: 1609

01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:05,099

Start with that one.

: 1610

01:11:05,099 --> 01:11:05,199

And

: 1611

01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:05,309

then

: 1612

01:11:05,309 --> 01:11:05,779

if it's.

: 1613

01:11:06,899 --> 01:11:07,499

It's great.

: 1614

01:11:07,499 --> 01:11:10,989

And then if there's others that look

interesting, they're all safe to do.

: 1615

01:11:11,019 --> 01:11:12,309

'cause your spine's in neutral.

: 1616

01:11:12,309 --> 01:11:15,959

So there's really no way that you'll

feel muscles firing and that's good,

: 1617

01:11:15,959 --> 01:11:17,669

but you're, you, your spine is safe.

: 1618

01:11:18,019 --> 01:11:18,919

So they're great.

: 1619

01:11:23,124 --> 01:11:25,574

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah,

so I have a question about that.

: 1620

01:11:25,574 --> 01:11:32,024

I was just recently talking to

Someone who is 77 years old and

: 1621

01:11:32,034 --> 01:11:34,134

they started doing physical therapy.

: 1622

01:11:34,254 --> 01:11:40,004

This is someone who's had some joint

replacements and She said what muscle

: 1623

01:11:40,004 --> 01:11:44,504

soreness feels like after working

out She said but after and to jump

: 1624

01:11:44,514 --> 01:11:48,693

back so the PT the therapist had her

doing this exercise where she was

: 1625

01:11:48,693 --> 01:11:54,034

just standing at her countertop and

holding and then Putting her feet in

: 1626

01:11:54,034 --> 01:11:57,064

a specific position and closing her

eyes and trying to maintain balance.

: 1627

01:11:57,774 --> 01:12:00,924

So I knew he was working on

proprioception and it was a really

: 1628

01:12:00,994 --> 01:12:04,204

thing she complained of pain.

: 1629

01:12:05,104 --> 01:12:07,524

Is that once nerves and things

are kind of coming online

: 1630

01:12:07,524 --> 01:12:09,664

that someone could experience?

: 1631

01:12:09,894 --> 01:12:12,524

Um, she's like, well, I don't

know if I should be doing this.

: 1632

01:12:12,564 --> 01:12:13,544

This, This could be hurting me.

: 1633

01:12:13,544 --> 01:12:14,664

And I'm thinking standing in,

: 1634

01:12:14,804 --> 01:12:15,318

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

No, like you said,

: 1635

01:12:15,424 --> 01:12:16,294

No, it's amazing

: 1636

01:12:16,344 --> 01:12:16,693

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: who knows?

: 1637

01:12:16,724 --> 01:12:18,054

We may cut out this segment, but

: 1638

01:12:18,474 --> 01:12:18,974

jason_craniopathy_with dr: she might be

: 1639

01:12:19,074 --> 01:12:19,234

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: a.

: 1640

01:12:19,634 --> 01:12:20,654

Asking for a friend

: 1641

01:12:20,844 --> 01:12:23,454

jason_craniopathy_with dr: where like

any little thing she can feel it.

: 1642

01:12:24,044 --> 01:12:27,084

And it's a blessing and a curse, so

it's a, do you know where she had pain?

: 1643

01:12:27,094 --> 01:12:28,754

Do you remember where she was having pain

: 1644

01:12:30,943 --> 01:12:31,744

in her Hips.

: 1645

01:12:32,884 --> 01:12:34,544

So it might be, if she's.

: 1646

01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:40,339

If she's taking away the visual, it could

be that it's activating her, your glute

: 1647

01:12:40,339 --> 01:12:42,459

med is your side to side stabilizer.

: 1648

01:12:43,349 --> 01:12:44,859

And that's right around there.

: 1649

01:12:45,639 --> 01:12:46,869

That's the only thing I could think of.

: 1650

01:12:46,889 --> 01:12:50,269

But there's no way that's I just can't

think of any possible mechanism of how

: 1651

01:12:50,269 --> 01:12:51,979

she's going to hurt herself doing that.

: 1652

01:12:51,979 --> 01:12:54,659

At least she's not at a risk of

falling or, something like that.

: 1653

01:12:54,659 --> 01:12:57,169

But no, I think I could only be positive.

: 1654

01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,779

And then, you'll be more stable if

the glute med if those are fine,

: 1655

01:13:00,779 --> 01:13:01,909

that's probably firing those.

: 1656

01:13:01,909 --> 01:13:04,909

And maybe she hasn't had those

been firing for, maybe they haven't

: 1657

01:13:04,909 --> 01:13:06,879

been for a long time, but yeah.

: 1658

01:13:11,324 --> 01:13:11,764

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: for sure.

: 1659

01:13:12,304 --> 01:13:15,534

ask you about, because I wanna, um,

we'll need to wrap up here, and I

: 1660

01:13:15,544 --> 01:13:17,014

have a couple more questions for you.

: 1661

01:13:17,414 --> 01:13:22,104

Um, But along the lines of things

that we should or should not be

: 1662

01:13:22,104 --> 01:13:24,834

doing ourselves, posturally and

: 1663

01:13:24,909 --> 01:13:27,009

jason_craniopathy_with dr: No,

I don't, yeah, no, they're fine.

: 1664

01:13:27,019 --> 01:13:27,318

No, I'm

: 1665

01:13:27,354 --> 01:13:28,254

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

Because I know that that's

: 1666

01:13:28,264 --> 01:13:29,804

something that a lot negativity

: 1667

01:13:30,519 --> 01:13:31,659

jason_craniopathy_with dr: For

a couple of reasons, right?

: 1668

01:13:31,659 --> 01:13:33,959

One is the shape of the high heel.

: 1669

01:13:33,979 --> 01:13:37,609

So it brings your toes into

this gnarled position, right?

: 1670

01:13:37,619 --> 01:13:41,529

So you think if you wear them every

once in a while, it's probably fine,

: 1671

01:13:41,719 --> 01:13:43,999

but you do not want feet problems.

: 1672

01:13:44,009 --> 01:13:45,899

Like you do not want problems.

: 1673

01:13:45,959 --> 01:13:49,729

That's the, yeah, I jaw, jaw pain

is like probably the worst pain or

: 1674

01:13:49,739 --> 01:13:54,064

maybe low back pain, but the most

frustrating is the feet because

: 1675

01:13:54,064 --> 01:13:55,499

you can't go, you can't do anything.

: 1676

01:13:55,979 --> 01:13:59,099

And it's hard to correct once

the bones distorted in that way.

: 1677

01:13:59,429 --> 01:14:01,409

But your whole gait changes, right?

: 1678

01:14:01,549 --> 01:14:06,959

Because normally when you walk, if this

is my big toe, I toe off of the big toe.

: 1679

01:14:07,689 --> 01:14:11,839

So then, if you're like this, you start

to develop like a bunion on the side

: 1680

01:14:12,329 --> 01:14:15,649

and it shortens your gait because you're

no longer towing off on the big toe.

: 1681

01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:18,318

You start towing off on

this nook on the metatars.

: 1682

01:14:18,349 --> 01:14:21,029

And so you're, you, it

shortens your stride because

: 1683

01:14:21,029 --> 01:14:22,459

you're not here, you're here.

: 1684

01:14:22,954 --> 01:14:26,924

The other thing it does, it puts your

low back into a really intense lordosis.

: 1685

01:14:26,974 --> 01:14:28,764

So your pelvis dumps forward

: 1686

01:14:29,154 --> 01:14:33,134

And it puts your low back, you want to

have a lordosis, that's normal, right?

: 1687

01:14:33,164 --> 01:14:37,664

But too much flexion in the low back

is associated with lumbar disc issues.

: 1688

01:14:38,014 --> 01:14:38,404

much extension.

: 1689

01:14:40,024 --> 01:14:43,954

No, that's when you have the heels

in is when your butt sticks out more.

: 1690

01:14:44,054 --> 01:14:48,674

And so some people, and anatomically,

people have a little bit more,

: 1691

01:14:48,744 --> 01:14:51,544

they'll have a really strong

lordosis or a straighter spine.

: 1692

01:14:51,544 --> 01:14:54,274

So the person with the straighter

spine, to bring it back to the butt,

: 1693

01:14:55,324 --> 01:14:56,844

You'll have a flat, more flat butt.

: 1694

01:14:57,564 --> 01:15:01,564

And so you'll walk behind a family and

you'll see the same butt basically, right?

: 1695

01:15:01,564 --> 01:15:02,154

It's okay,

: 1696

01:15:02,454 --> 01:15:03,624

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Mm hmm.

: 1697

01:15:04,654 --> 01:15:06,684

jason_craniopathy_with dr: yeah,

and that's cause your lumbar spine.

: 1698

01:15:06,684 --> 01:15:10,424

So you would probably do, you would

probably have less chance of getting

: 1699

01:15:10,424 --> 01:15:12,664

hurt with heels in terms of your back.

: 1700

01:15:12,664 --> 01:15:13,664

Your feet would still be messed

: 1701

01:15:13,664 --> 01:15:17,594

up, but because you're like this anyway,

and the heels giving you some lordosis.

: 1702

01:15:18,099 --> 01:15:21,289

So they might actually feel good for

you because it's actually putting less

: 1703

01:15:21,289 --> 01:15:23,139

pressure on the discs in your low back.

: 1704

01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:27,089

Someone who walks around, their whole

family has this big, like big butt, right?

: 1705

01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,239

And like a strong lordosis, if

they get in heels, it's going

: 1706

01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,169

to like just crank it even more.

: 1707

01:15:32,909 --> 01:15:34,809

And there's these things

called facet joints.

: 1708

01:15:34,849 --> 01:15:38,159

That's where all of our spine

there's two for each spinal segment.

: 1709

01:15:38,869 --> 01:15:41,809

And that's where the movement in

each individual vertebra comes from.

: 1710

01:15:41,818 --> 01:15:42,779

It's in those facet joints.

: 1711

01:15:43,774 --> 01:15:46,364

And those facet joints,

though, can cause pain.

: 1712

01:15:47,034 --> 01:15:50,764

Hyperflexion, like I said, of

the lumbar spine, it bothers the

: 1713

01:15:50,764 --> 01:15:52,554

back, the low back, the discs.

: 1714

01:15:52,954 --> 01:15:55,874

But hyperextension can

irritate those facet joints.

: 1715

01:15:56,384 --> 01:15:59,634

It can give you something that, facet

joint syndrome, which is essentially just

: 1716

01:15:59,634 --> 01:16:04,724

an irritation of those facet joints where

it locks your low back into an extension.

: 1717

01:16:05,244 --> 01:16:07,814

Yeah, it's not the, but it's

just an awkward posture anyway.

: 1718

01:16:07,814 --> 01:16:09,214

And it changes your whole gait.

: 1719

01:16:09,214 --> 01:16:12,934

And I don't know, I'm not, I

just think it's a, I don't know.

: 1720

01:16:13,034 --> 01:16:14,094

So you wear for.

: 1721

01:16:14,524 --> 01:16:14,984

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1722

01:16:15,584 --> 01:16:17,856

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Wear them

occasionally, and then, if you know you're

: 1723

01:16:18,186 --> 01:16:23,276

gonna be hanging out afterwards, and

everyone's hanging out anyway, and, you

: 1724

01:16:23,276 --> 01:16:27,186

usually there's one formal thing you wear

them for, like a wedding, for example.

: 1725

01:16:27,366 --> 01:16:30,676

You're sitting most of the time at the

wedding, and watching it, you're just

: 1726

01:16:30,696 --> 01:16:34,576

walking to your car and back, but for the

reception bring a pair of flat shoes no

: 1727

01:16:34,576 --> 01:16:37,576

one cares at that point anyway, you're

dancing, you're don't do all that,

: 1728

01:16:38,096 --> 01:16:40,656

maybe drinking, don't do all that in

heels, like, why would you do that to

: 1729

01:16:40,656 --> 01:16:41,036

yourself.

: 1730

01:16:41,086 --> 01:16:42,747

And then you're just going

: 1731

01:16:42,747 --> 01:16:43,743

to be miserable.

: 1732

01:16:43,743 --> 01:16:44,075

Yeah.

: 1733

01:16:44,075 --> 01:16:44,739

That's rough.

: 1734

01:16:44,739 --> 01:16:45,072

Yeah.

: 1735

01:16:45,072 --> 01:16:45,736

It's rough.

: 1736

01:16:46,726 --> 01:16:47,216

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: god.

: 1737

01:16:47,326 --> 01:16:49,336

I used to do that to myself constantly.

: 1738

01:16:49,386 --> 01:16:51,736

And I worked, years, I'd be on

my feet in three inch heels.

: 1739

01:16:52,056 --> 01:16:53,836

jason_craniopathy_with dr: when

people that have gone through that

: 1740

01:16:53,836 --> 01:16:55,236

and they want, those toast, some toast

: 1741

01:16:55,401 --> 01:16:56,651

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

God, I know I cringe now.

: 1742

01:16:56,651 --> 01:16:57,291

I could never do

: 1743

01:16:57,376 --> 01:16:59,456

jason_craniopathy_with dr: toast spacers

that, and there's a million brands

: 1744

01:16:59,456 --> 01:17:01,496

and they're, I don't know, there's

pros and cons to all of them, those

: 1745

01:17:01,496 --> 01:17:04,436

work well, don't wear them to sleep,

just wear them when you're awake.

: 1746

01:17:04,811 --> 01:17:09,271

Kind of wean up to wear them first for

half an hour a day, then try an hour,

: 1747

01:17:09,311 --> 01:17:13,571

try to wean up to wearing them and it'll

help, but you have to, you really have

: 1748

01:17:13,571 --> 01:17:17,501

to repattern everything and it takes

a while you can come back from it.

: 1749

01:17:18,116 --> 01:17:19,425

But yeah, heels are terrible.

: 1750

01:17:19,425 --> 01:17:19,896

I'm sorry.

: 1751

01:17:21,656 --> 01:17:22,056

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1752

01:17:25,406 --> 01:17:26,626

No, I think it's good to know.

: 1753

01:17:26,626 --> 01:17:29,966

I mean, you know, That's one of the

goals of this show is to give they

: 1754

01:17:29,966 --> 01:17:34,626

need to make the best decisions for

themselves um, you know, some, some

: 1755

01:17:34,626 --> 01:17:36,306

of us really love our heels and.

: 1756

01:17:37,896 --> 01:17:38,586

constantly.

: 1757

01:17:38,606 --> 01:17:41,436

And some of us are

like, nope, can't do it.

: 1758

01:17:41,696 --> 01:17:45,586

And I definitely don't tolerate

them the way that I used to.

: 1759

01:17:45,586 --> 01:17:48,196

I just, I'm not willing to put

myself through the pain that I.

: 1760

01:17:48,811 --> 01:17:53,691

Was woman for beauty, just not

willing to do that extreme anymore.

: 1761

01:17:54,091 --> 01:17:56,871

Um, And I have a lot of beautiful

shoes that never get that's

: 1762

01:17:56,871 --> 01:17:58,371

a great, that's good to know.

: 1763

01:17:58,391 --> 01:17:59,781

So thanks for answering that question.

: 1764

01:18:01,631 --> 01:18:07,436

if you could give to listeners

as a takeaway today, um,

: 1765

01:18:07,506 --> 01:18:08,661

you know, as far context

: 1766

01:18:08,661 --> 01:18:10,371

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Can I

get three, like one for mental,

: 1767

01:18:10,371 --> 01:18:11,741

emotional, physical, chemical?

: 1768

01:18:11,821 --> 01:18:12,231

Can I do that?

: 1769

01:18:12,701 --> 01:18:12,991

Okay.

: 1770

01:18:13,341 --> 01:18:15,631

Get well, chemicals, get some labs done.

: 1771

01:18:15,791 --> 01:18:16,441

. It's amazing.

: 1772

01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:18,181

The stuff that you can catch.

: 1773

01:18:18,781 --> 01:18:19,651

I don't want to scare people.

: 1774

01:18:19,671 --> 01:18:20,721

Can I give a sad story?

: 1775

01:18:20,941 --> 01:18:21,331

I don't know.

: 1776

01:18:27,186 --> 01:18:28,816

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah

Yeah, and I'll just say too that

: 1777

01:18:28,876 --> 01:18:30,706

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

just the basic side of it.

: 1778

01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:31,086

And this was

: 1779

01:18:31,256 --> 01:18:32,976

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: thing I

think that there's so much that we can

: 1780

01:18:33,006 --> 01:18:33,686

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

This guy came in

: 1781

01:18:33,756 --> 01:18:34,076

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: yes

: 1782

01:18:34,436 --> 01:18:35,956

jason_craniopathy_with dr: been

in the military a long time.

: 1783

01:18:35,956 --> 01:18:38,656

He's probably 62, something like that.

: 1784

01:18:39,526 --> 01:18:42,236

He was having some symptoms,

like just musculoskeletal stuff.

: 1785

01:18:42,236 --> 01:18:43,606

He just wanted to get checked out.

: 1786

01:18:43,976 --> 01:18:47,026

But just some of the stuff he was telling

me in the history was just a little.

: 1787

01:18:47,941 --> 01:18:50,591

It was a little odd and I

didn't feel great about it.

: 1788

01:18:50,681 --> 01:18:53,521

And so I really, I was

insisted that he get labs done.

: 1789

01:18:54,261 --> 01:18:55,641

He was very, with it.

: 1790

01:18:55,691 --> 01:18:58,041

He was, we were talking,

everything seemed, okay.

: 1791

01:18:58,041 --> 01:19:00,141

It was just, those little

alarm bells go off sometimes.

: 1792

01:19:00,231 --> 01:19:01,891

We were just like, I

need to listen to this.

: 1793

01:19:02,661 --> 01:19:04,721

And I had him, I was like, promise

me you'll go get labs today.

: 1794

01:19:04,721 --> 01:19:05,111

I'm going to put

: 1795

01:19:05,111 --> 01:19:05,391

it in.

: 1796

01:19:05,401 --> 01:19:05,991

You're going to go get your

: 1797

01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:06,341

labs.

: 1798

01:19:06,361 --> 01:19:07,131

He's Oh, I'll go.

: 1799

01:19:07,131 --> 01:19:08,761

He hated doctors.

: 1800

01:19:08,921 --> 01:19:10,141

Didn't want to go to doctor's offices.

: 1801

01:19:10,891 --> 01:19:12,451

Never went to the doctor's office.

: 1802

01:19:12,781 --> 01:19:14,011

Was a pretty fit guy.

: 1803

01:19:14,281 --> 01:19:14,831

By appearance.

: 1804

01:19:15,216 --> 01:19:19,846

So he did go get the labs done and

then I got a call the next morning

: 1805

01:19:19,856 --> 01:19:24,546

from the lab company at five in the

morning, which that's only happened a

: 1806

01:19:24,546 --> 01:19:26,666

couple of times and it's never good.

: 1807

01:19:27,306 --> 01:19:32,606

And they're like, this guy's blood

sugar is like to the moon, like

: 1808

01:19:32,606 --> 01:19:34,016

he's, and he died that night.

: 1809

01:19:35,536 --> 01:19:36,576

Isn't that crazy?

: 1810

01:19:36,675 --> 01:19:41,476

A simple blood test at any point in his

life would have probably saved his life.

: 1811

01:19:42,056 --> 01:19:44,986

And I said, usually when you hear people

having blood sugar like that they're

: 1812

01:19:44,986 --> 01:19:48,006

like hallucinating, they're passed out.

: 1813

01:19:48,006 --> 01:19:50,726

They're like, a lot of times it mimics

like stroke symptoms, like they could

: 1814

01:19:50,756 --> 01:19:52,896

be too high or too low, or they're,

: 1815

01:19:53,696 --> 01:19:57,086

but yeah, this guy was like

totally not textbook at all.

: 1816

01:19:57,876 --> 01:20:02,776

And it's just, terrible, but that's

an extreme example, but I could give

: 1817

01:20:02,776 --> 01:20:06,646

you half a dozen others like similar

that are really terrible, yeah,

: 1818

01:20:06,696 --> 01:20:08,016

sometimes you don't even have to go in.

: 1819

01:20:08,026 --> 01:20:11,146

Do a telehealth thing, and you you,

part of your insurance, you get it

: 1820

01:20:11,146 --> 01:20:14,196

covered sometimes, and you just go

to get your blood taken, then you

: 1821

01:20:14,196 --> 01:20:17,356

can do it all online, in terms of the

interpretation, and have a, you don't

: 1822

01:20:17,356 --> 01:20:19,686

even have to go anywhere, really,

except to get the blood drawn, but

: 1823

01:20:20,106 --> 01:20:23,866

Yeah, I just think, one, you can track

things over time, because, right?

: 1824

01:20:23,886 --> 01:20:27,116

If there if a trend is developing,

Like you might be okay, but

: 1825

01:20:27,116 --> 01:20:30,226

you're trending, year after year,

something's getting a little worse.

: 1826

01:20:30,236 --> 01:20:30,983

Then it's huh.

: 1827

01:20:31,113 --> 01:20:34,463

Like it just raises a little question

and maybe it'll do a couple of follow up

: 1828

01:20:34,593 --> 01:20:36,463

labs next time or something like that.

: 1829

01:20:36,853 --> 01:20:39,833

But it can also catch stuff

that's just really not right.

: 1830

01:20:39,893 --> 01:20:42,873

And then, it could really, it could

save your life and it's usually covered

: 1831

01:20:42,873 --> 01:20:44,343

by your insurance policy anyway.

: 1832

01:20:44,353 --> 01:20:45,088

Usually they'll do it.

: 1833

01:20:45,088 --> 01:20:45,327

I It's a

: 1834

01:20:45,389 --> 01:20:45,469

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: the

: 1835

01:20:45,708 --> 01:20:47,978

jason_craniopathy_with dr: basic

panel, but it's better than nothing, so

: 1836

01:20:47,978 --> 01:20:49,468

that would be the one thing for that.

: 1837

01:20:49,548 --> 01:20:53,048

And then for physical medicine, I

would just say, I would say move.

: 1838

01:20:53,118 --> 01:20:55,088

Move, you got, you can't just sit around.

: 1839

01:20:55,157 --> 01:20:58,128

You walk, play pickleball.

: 1840

01:20:58,848 --> 01:21:00,868

Something you got,

we're just so sedentary.

: 1841

01:21:00,918 --> 01:21:03,648

I just think, we just

have to be in Europe.

: 1842

01:21:03,668 --> 01:21:07,148

They eat, I was just, I was in Italy

like six months ago when they're

: 1843

01:21:07,148 --> 01:21:10,618

eating, drinking wine, they're

eating tons of pasta, they're eating

: 1844

01:21:10,628 --> 01:21:13,238

like high carb diet, all stuff.

: 1845

01:21:13,743 --> 01:21:16,473

I didn't see one obese person

the whole time I was in Italy.

: 1846

01:21:16,483 --> 01:21:18,073

I They weren't in like great shape.

: 1847

01:21:18,103 --> 01:21:18,983

Like they weren't like

: 1848

01:21:19,068 --> 01:21:22,753

walking around like they were

all in, they were smoking.

: 1849

01:21:22,753 --> 01:21:23,032

They were

: 1850

01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:23,729

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: like ripped.

: 1851

01:21:23,843 --> 01:21:24,433

jason_craniopathy_with dr: tiramisu.

: 1852

01:21:24,693 --> 01:21:26,483

They were like, it was just amazing.

: 1853

01:21:26,493 --> 01:21:28,143

Like it's probably the

quality of the food.

: 1854

01:21:28,163 --> 01:21:28,333

But

: 1855

01:21:28,853 --> 01:21:29,753

it's also the, well,

: 1856

01:21:30,759 --> 01:21:31,229

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1857

01:21:31,833 --> 01:21:32,403

jason_craniopathy_with dr: they walk.

: 1858

01:21:32,733 --> 01:21:32,943

Yeah.

: 1859

01:21:32,943 --> 01:21:34,393

They spend a lot of time with family.

: 1860

01:21:34,393 --> 01:21:35,193

They, I don't know.

: 1861

01:21:35,213 --> 01:21:35,339

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: of

: 1862

01:21:35,733 --> 01:21:37,702

jason_craniopathy_with dr: there's

a lot to that you watch them.

: 1863

01:21:37,702 --> 01:21:38,563

They, they move.

: 1864

01:21:38,573 --> 01:21:39,623

So I think that's important.

: 1865

01:21:45,179 --> 01:21:47,359

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Well, and

I mean, that ties into the discussion

: 1866

01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:50,529

about blood sugar, which is, you know,

something that I always constantly

: 1867

01:21:50,529 --> 01:21:53,609

revisit because it's such a common issue

now, but like just moving your, muscles

: 1868

01:21:53,609 --> 01:21:55,619

helps you be more insulin sensitive.

: 1869

01:21:55,619 --> 01:21:59,719

It helps your body reduce the blood

circulating in your, circulating in blood.

: 1870

01:21:59,719 --> 01:22:03,129

so you know, moving is, is really

crucial, especially after meals.

: 1871

01:22:03,139 --> 01:22:07,619

And, um, for so long, I have

clients set alarms often if they're

: 1872

01:22:07,619 --> 01:22:08,579

sitting for long periods of.

: 1873

01:22:08,979 --> 01:22:09,529

the day.

: 1874

01:22:09,859 --> 01:22:11,999

Um, you know, minimum every hour.

: 1875

01:22:12,809 --> 01:22:15,159

jason_craniopathy_with dr: And it

brings blood flow, like you said, but it

: 1876

01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:15,568

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: the hall.

: 1877

01:22:15,579 --> 01:22:16,619

Do whatever you have to do to get

: 1878

01:22:16,769 --> 01:22:18,689

jason_craniopathy_with dr: huge

problem for a lot of people is moving

: 1879

01:22:18,689 --> 01:22:21,459

lymph, especially if they've got

Lyme disease or they've got they're

: 1880

01:22:21,459 --> 01:22:23,849

trying to detox or metals or whatever.

: 1881

01:22:23,869 --> 01:22:25,029

And then they're just sitting around.

: 1882

01:22:25,029 --> 01:22:28,519

I I know that a lot of times you don't

feel well, but at least walk, at least, do

: 1883

01:22:28,949 --> 01:22:31,229

get some bands, do something on the sofa.

: 1884

01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:35,229

If you can, whatever you can do to get the

muscles to pump, it's going to help you do

: 1885

01:22:35,599 --> 01:22:35,859

all.

: 1886

01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:38,489

Whatever exactly.

: 1887

01:22:38,549 --> 01:22:41,619

Yeah, you know do a kegel or

whatever, mean anything literally

: 1888

01:22:41,719 --> 01:22:42,449

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

sitting in a chair.

: 1889

01:22:42,689 --> 01:22:44,739

jason_craniopathy_with dr: is

gonna yeah have you seen that?

: 1890

01:22:44,818 --> 01:22:46,419

Have you followed the glucose goddess?

: 1891

01:22:46,469 --> 01:22:46,889

Do you know this girl?

: 1892

01:22:46,999 --> 01:22:47,898

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr:

Pump your calves.

: 1893

01:22:47,969 --> 01:22:47,979

Mm

: 1894

01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:49,539

jason_craniopathy_with dr:

has some cool stuff.

: 1895

01:22:49,539 --> 01:22:53,289

Like I don't I learned a lot from

her but one of them was like exercise

: 1896

01:22:53,809 --> 01:22:57,419

Just like you said, with glucose

levels, it was like really impactful.

: 1897

01:22:57,939 --> 01:22:59,039

It was cool to see it.

: 1898

01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:00,318

Cause everyone says stuff, right?

: 1899

01:23:00,318 --> 01:23:02,089

Like they say stuff and

it's yeah, is it true?

: 1900

01:23:02,089 --> 01:23:02,648

Is it not true?

: 1901

01:23:02,859 --> 01:23:04,359

She has the like charts that

: 1902

01:23:04,359 --> 01:23:06,568

like, it's so cool.

: 1903

01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:08,199

I don't, yeah, I just found out about it.

: 1904

01:23:08,249 --> 01:23:09,389

Maybe I'm the last one to know.

: 1905

01:23:09,459 --> 01:23:09,929

I thought

: 1906

01:23:09,929 --> 01:23:09,949

it

: 1907

01:23:09,949 --> 01:23:10,759

was pretty amazing.

: 1908

01:23:10,769 --> 01:23:12,039

I thought it was really interesting.

: 1909

01:23:12,079 --> 01:23:14,519

The fiber before you, do

the eat this, then this.

: 1910

01:23:17,318 --> 01:23:17,809

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1911

01:23:18,334 --> 01:23:19,474

jason_craniopathy_with dr: I

figured you already knew a lot.

: 1912

01:23:19,474 --> 01:23:19,934

I

: 1913

01:23:20,579 --> 01:23:21,568

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: I mean,

this is stuff I've been talking

: 1914

01:23:21,579 --> 01:23:27,509

about for A lot of us have been Yeah.

: 1915

01:23:27,509 --> 01:23:30,189

But you continuous glucose monitors

haven't been super accessible for

: 1916

01:23:30,189 --> 01:23:33,369

people until recently and I love

that she does take that snapshot, you

: 1917

01:23:33,369 --> 01:23:37,479

know, with different scenarios so that

people have this really simple visual

: 1918

01:23:37,739 --> 01:23:41,398

of what is happening your body, And

it again is getting us out of that

: 1919

01:23:41,398 --> 01:23:44,299

sort of calories and calories out

mindset helping us to realize like,

: 1920

01:23:44,299 --> 01:23:48,129

Hey, chemistry matters to what you're

putting in has an effect on your body,

: 1921

01:23:48,579 --> 01:23:55,199

you know, and a piece of white processed

bread versus, you know, Uh, piece of

: 1922

01:23:55,229 --> 01:23:57,519

good quality protein or a high fiber

: 1923

01:23:57,519 --> 01:23:58,818

jason_craniopathy_with dr: It's

just like really drove it home

: 1924

01:23:58,924 --> 01:23:59,234

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: helpful.

: 1925

01:23:59,244 --> 01:23:59,784

So what's your number

: 1926

01:23:59,889 --> 01:24:00,259

jason_craniopathy_with dr: yeah.

: 1927

01:24:00,259 --> 01:24:01,109

And then yeah, the

: 1928

01:24:01,214 --> 01:24:01,604

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: right?

: 1929

01:24:02,129 --> 01:24:04,534

jason_craniopathy_with dr: is

just, understand, just You know,

: 1930

01:24:04,564 --> 01:24:06,644

don't give up on that piece.

: 1931

01:24:06,684 --> 01:24:09,984

I don't think that you have to,

it's different than the, the

: 1932

01:24:09,984 --> 01:24:13,434

physical and the chemical stuff,

a lot of times it's more passive.

: 1933

01:24:13,464 --> 01:24:15,304

Like we want somebody to fix it for us.

: 1934

01:24:15,374 --> 01:24:16,814

I'm going to go to get a massage.

: 1935

01:24:16,814 --> 01:24:17,914

I'm going to go to the chiropractor.

: 1936

01:24:17,914 --> 01:24:19,254

I'm going to take this supplement.

: 1937

01:24:19,484 --> 01:24:21,674

I'm going to, that's one that you can't.

: 1938

01:24:22,148 --> 01:24:23,898

Nobody can fix it for you per se.

: 1939

01:24:23,898 --> 01:24:26,309

It's you have to, so it's harder in that

regard and you have to be in a place

: 1940

01:24:26,309 --> 01:24:31,769

to do it, but I think there's so many

resources now that there's so many, More

: 1941

01:24:31,779 --> 01:24:35,339

accessible for sure, but then also, like

I said there's EMDR work and there's

: 1942

01:24:35,369 --> 01:24:39,079

the brain spotting and there's, there's

so many other, biofeedback, there's so

: 1943

01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:41,689

many other ways to go about it where

you don't have to just sit there on a

: 1944

01:24:41,689 --> 01:24:43,479

sofa with somebody and spill your guts,

: 1945

01:24:43,599 --> 01:24:43,939

know, you

: 1946

01:24:43,939 --> 01:24:44,129

can.

: 1947

01:24:45,829 --> 01:24:46,359

Right.

: 1948

01:24:46,389 --> 01:24:48,499

There's a lot of different and

that helps some people, but

: 1949

01:24:48,499 --> 01:24:49,639

for some people, it's not helpful.

: 1950

01:24:49,648 --> 01:24:52,369

So I just think there's, I

would just encourage people

: 1951

01:24:52,369 --> 01:24:53,849

to understand the value of it.

: 1952

01:24:53,898 --> 01:24:56,839

Like I said, I do think that's the most

important aspect of people's health.

: 1953

01:24:57,059 --> 01:24:59,769

I think it's the least addressed

and I don't do a good job

: 1954

01:24:59,769 --> 01:25:00,789

of addressing it myself.

: 1955

01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:02,479

I'm just not trained enough in it.

: 1956

01:25:02,509 --> 01:25:04,329

I don't feel comfortable going there.

: 1957

01:25:04,398 --> 01:25:07,379

But I do think I think

it is the most impactful.

: 1958

01:25:07,379 --> 01:25:09,669

I've seen that hold people

back more than anything else.

: 1959

01:25:10,023 --> 01:25:10,414

jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

: 1960

01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:17,004

I would a hundred percent agree with you.

: 1961

01:25:17,054 --> 01:25:22,124

The same thing is applies when

it comes to people's diets.

: 1962

01:25:22,284 --> 01:25:23,044

A hundred percent.

: 1963

01:25:23,614 --> 01:25:24,014

And.

: 1964

01:25:24,814 --> 01:25:28,604

Just like you, I will refer out

because we do talk a lot about mindset.

: 1965

01:25:28,654 --> 01:25:31,154

That's one of the biggest things I'm

constantly focusing on with people.

: 1966

01:25:31,154 --> 01:25:34,784

We always start there because your

brain's driving the bus, right?

: 1967

01:25:34,804 --> 01:25:36,193

But your subconscious is too.

: 1968

01:25:36,574 --> 01:25:40,224

And so it's really crucial that if got

other subconscious drivers, which most of

: 1969

01:25:40,224 --> 01:25:46,224

us do that causing us to, you know, make

choices that don't serve us any longer,

: 1970

01:25:46,594 --> 01:25:50,264

know, we make choices because they serve

us on some level at some point in time.

: 1971

01:25:50,654 --> 01:25:51,364

And.

: 1972

01:25:51,739 --> 01:25:55,509

You know, Diving headfirst into the

box of cookies may you cope or get

: 1973

01:25:55,509 --> 01:25:57,929

through something that you didn't have

the tools to deal with at one point,

: 1974

01:25:57,929 --> 01:26:01,229

in your life, especially as a small

you know, but at those things stop

: 1975

01:26:01,229 --> 01:26:06,559

serving as And we need to adopt new

ways of, of coping And um, not these,

: 1976

01:26:06,559 --> 01:26:09,979

These underlying emotional issues.

: 1977

01:26:10,398 --> 01:26:14,909

And, um, you know, again, if there's

that underlying unresolved trauma,

: 1978

01:26:14,929 --> 01:26:18,369

things like that, like it's putting

physiological stress in your body too.

: 1979

01:26:18,369 --> 01:26:21,389

And then it impedes the healing you worse.

: 1980

01:26:21,389 --> 01:26:24,318

And it's just this kind of vicious

cycle that we can get into.

: 1981

01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:32,739

Um, I, you know, our episode now is going

to be season three, but, um, just before.

: 1982

01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:39,269

So I had an episode about semi glutide

air or And, um, you know, one of the big

: 1983

01:26:39,269 --> 01:26:43,479

concerns, I actually did even a follow

up on it because, you know, one of the

: 1984

01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,169

concerns I have is that, look, while

you're taking that, if you're not also

: 1985

01:26:47,169 --> 01:26:53,999

addressing any other emotional, mental

stuff that's going on, that was driving.

: 1986

01:26:54,669 --> 01:26:55,959

Detrimental eating behaviors.

: 1987

01:26:55,959 --> 01:26:59,099

Like as soon as you stop taking

that, that's going to come back.

: 1988

01:26:59,099 --> 01:27:05,129

opportunity that look, if you're no

longer wanting to turn to the food as

: 1989

01:27:05,148 --> 01:27:08,789

anesthesia, comfort, et cetera, like

this is a great chance that you have.

: 1990

01:27:09,409 --> 01:27:11,629

Especially if things are starting

to surface for you great.

: 1991

01:27:11,929 --> 01:27:13,159

Now, here it is.

: 1992

01:27:13,219 --> 01:27:15,829

Let's deal So I think

that's really great advice.

: 1993

01:27:15,829 --> 01:27:17,648

And, um, Yeah.

: 1994

01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:21,239

we could, again, there's so many

so many good juicy topics here.

: 1995

01:27:21,979 --> 01:27:22,199

Dr.

: 1996

01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:24,099

but how can people connect with you?

: 1997

01:27:24,129 --> 01:27:24,519

and

: 1998

01:27:24,529 --> 01:27:24,989

find you?

: 1999

01:27:25,089 --> 01:27:29,219

jason_craniopathy_with dr: Um, in

Bellevue, Um, Northwest Um, so We

: 2000

01:27:29,219 --> 01:27:31,049

have a website and that kind of thing.

: 2001

01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:33,999

Um, we do, offer like a free

10 minute phone consult.

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I also do, uh, case reviews for people

out state, uh, mostly for the piece.

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So we kind of go through

your whole case and, uh.

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I kind of evaluate what would a, good

appliance fit for that person or what,

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what would be kind of the plan of that.

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So that's um, and then a channel

that I'm trying to, Potentially

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kind of get, get going.

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Uh, Yeah, so that as well.

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Yeah.

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Okay.

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So we'll provide links to all that

stuff for you guys in the show notes.

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And any resources for people um, if

they don't live in this area but they

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actually want physical treatment,

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um, are there

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resources for people that they could

find someone in that does similar work to

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah.

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It's going just, just because of the,

um, like lot of SOT doctors maybe

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aren't so, aren't so cranial but the

philosophy will be similar and like

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I said, AK can be, you might go to

only does nutrition, you might one

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that's just doing acupuncture and that.

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And so, so it's like you

really would have to kind of.

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what would be a good fit for you?

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But in general, ICAK website.

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I think it's icakusa.

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is the ICAK and there's a

list practitioner list there.

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And then, uh, is soto usa.

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com, um, And they have a practitioner

list as I would recommend for either

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one of those, look for someone that's

certified, um, Versus that's just

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taken the course because anyone can

pay to get their name on the directory.

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Basically, I would just, you

know, if you really I, I just,

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I always refer to certified.

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It just tells me they've gone through,

uh, the process of kind of learning

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the technique at a higher level.

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I would just trust that they

can get a result, but that's

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not always the case, but

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jeannie_craniopathy_with dr: Yeah,

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no, That's

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perfect.

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That's helpful.

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Well, Thank you.

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so much for

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spending this time with us

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jason_craniopathy_with dr: yeah.

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Thanks for having