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Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire Review aka "Ominous Drumming"
Episode 13 • 3rd April 2024 • Films in Black and White • Doug Wagner, Marcus Destin, and Bryan Roush
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Yeah,

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let's let's fucking let's fucking do this,

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then let's just fucking grip it.

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Let's grip it and rip it.

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Whoa.

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Welcome to Films of Black and White,

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everybody.

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Marcus, are you okay?

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Oh, yeah, I'm good.

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Okay, okay.

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Those air horns were a little out there.

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They were a little out there.

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For anybody tuning in,

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you just got a live and in living color

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clip of what I can only assume.

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All right.

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All right.

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All right.

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Let's move on.

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Let's move on.

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That we are still hearing, by the way,

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which we are still hearing

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in an audio format.

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I am so excited to be with you all.

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It's a great Monday.

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Happy belated Easter, everybody.

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Happy April Fool's Day from yours truly,

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The Fool.

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We got a great episode.

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I know I say it every week,

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but I am amped to the 10th

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degree for the episode that

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we have for you all.

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We are going to bus all over

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this place and talk.

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Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire.

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And then we are also going

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to talk the elite eight of

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our comedy bracket showdown.

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We inch ever closer to the championship.

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And so very excited to get into that.

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But before we do that,

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and before we get all up on it,

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Brian Roush, a.k.a.

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something strange, something weird.

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How are you feeling, sir?

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Who are you going to call?

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uh yeah I'm feeling good I'm

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feeling yes yes you can

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call me uh feeling good to

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be here I feel like we got

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a big show like our ghost

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we're doing a ghostbusters

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review like we haven't done

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a deep dive into a

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franchise movie in a minute

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so I'm excited I'm excited

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to get into it and and take

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it all apart because this

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it was a lot it was

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happening here there's a lot in there

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there's a lot in there and

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brian I am very excited to

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talk about this with you

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all um very excited to hear

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about it uh brian did the

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children's have a good

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easter they did they had a

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great easter they were

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healthy let's start there

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everybody's healthy which

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great uh that hasn't been

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the case uh so they got

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they got two easter egg

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hunts one at my house and

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then one at my wife's father's house

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So two Easter egg hunts, a ton of candy.

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They're all amped up.

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So I'm sure there's going to

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be really stale jelly beans

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in the corners of my house

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by the end of the week.

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So that's what I'm looking forward to.

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If you can't have stale

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jelly beans in the corners of your house,

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where can you?

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Just disgusting.

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Just disgusting.

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That's gross.

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So what about yourself, Doug?

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How are you?

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Great.

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I spent eight hours in the

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car with my children today.

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uh coming back from my

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in-laws for the easter

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holiday so if I seem a

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little everywhere

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everything all at once it's

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because I've had a lot of

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like pent-up energy uh for

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the past eight hours so

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okay uh things are good I'm

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very excited about it uh

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and I'm just I was very I'm

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pumped to talk about the

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movie pumped about the

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bracket and all things are

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good we also had two easter egg hunts

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One on Saturday, like a community one.

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And then we had one

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yesterday with the kids.

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Yes,

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we are going to have chocolate bunnies

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and jelly beans forever because Brian,

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I don't know about your kids, but my kids,

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they get like into their candy.

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And then about after like two weeks,

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they've moved on to like a

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different dessert.

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And yeah.

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It's kind of like natural selection,

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like all the good stuff.

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You know what the good stuff is.

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They go for the good stuff.

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You go for your chocolate,

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your chocolate bunnies.

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You go for like your your

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Cadbury eggs if you're into that.

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And then like you get down to like, oh,

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like,

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do I really want sour patch jelly

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beans that are two weeks old?

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Probably not.

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And then all of it gets out.

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So all of it moves on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But Marcus J. Destin, a.k.a.

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Marcus Bussin Incorporated.

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How are you feeling, sir?

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Good year.

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How's the game?

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Live and in living color,

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I turned the game off, Doug.

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Oh, I mean, I have the score up.

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I have the score up.

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Currently,

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the Hawkeyes are up by 80 to the

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LSU Tigers at 47.

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It's not the way that I want it.

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It's not looking too good,

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but I turned it off.

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My bad, everybody.

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The volume was playing in the background.

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We're humans.

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It's all good.

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My fault.

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I'm going to be on his ass

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about it for the remainder

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of this episode.

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So we should just be prepared.

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I had a weird feeling about that.

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Be prepared!

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It's all good.

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here, live in the living color,

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ready to follow my guys,

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ready to talk about the movie,

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The Bracket.

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We got a lot going on, so let's get to it.

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Ooh, good.

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Glad, glad you are here.

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Glad to chat The Bracket and

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the movie with you.

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Just excited to get a ball in it.

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So, Brian Rausch,

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before we get into Catch

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That Quotable and the

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remainder of our episode,

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will you please tell the

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people how they can stay in

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touch with us?

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This is also the time I'm

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going to tell you,

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spoiler warning for

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everything Ghostbusters.

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Ghostbusters Frozen Empire,

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every Ghostbusters movie,

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even the one that came out in 2016.

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I'm sure we're going to talk

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about that at some point.

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So spoiler warning for

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anything Ghostbusters.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So yeah, thank you, Brian,

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for laying that down as best you can.

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We don't have a quote this week, y'all.

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So there was no user-submitted quote.

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Really?

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So we are quote-less for this week,

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which is fine.

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Sometimes you need a break.

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Sometimes you need a little time off.

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Sometimes you'll need to R&R.

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Minus Brian's miraculous

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comeback with the quote last week.

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We've struggled.

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So maybe we just needed some

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time to recover, which is fine.

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That's fine.

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But in the time that we have,

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anything that you all from,

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whether that's news or

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whether that's anything

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else that you all want to

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chat about from around the

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horn before we get into the bracket?

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Also, this is unprepared and on the fly,

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so if you don't have anything,

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that is also fine.

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So I'm going to go ahead and

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take the awkward silence in

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an audio format as, no, Doug,

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we don't have anything.

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This is fine.

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That's fine.

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I feel like we could have

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got at least a little bit

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of better heads up or like a pre-pro.

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Remember when I said I was

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driving all day?

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No, I understand.

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But, you know,

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a little message would have like,

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you know what I mean?

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So we could have prepped for the podcast.

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I mean, like, it's not unreasonable.

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I get it.

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I just, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Now it's like a live audio experience.

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It's kind of just like

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ruined a little bit because

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I don't feel prepared.

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You know what?

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Fuck them.

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This is our show.

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Hey, even players fuck up too.

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So this is fine.

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And the best part is I can

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cut all of this out and the

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people who are listening to

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it on Wednesday,

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they're never going to know.

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It's just not the same.

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It's just not the same.

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What do you mean it's not the same?

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It's fine.

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We're good.

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We're being adaptable.

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I'm fucking up the flow of the show, man.

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Oh, no.

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Not at all.

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Because we're going to pivot

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right into Brian.

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Brian,

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let's get after that Elite 8 bracket

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since we are catch that

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quotable list today.

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Pivot.

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We're going to pivot.

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Corpo speak.

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We're going to pivot.

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That is fine.

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Pivot to a more synergistic format.

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Good friends reference.

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Marcus loves friends.

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I actually hate friends.

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It's his favorite show.

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I mean, he does.

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He does.

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But, you know,

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we're just going to pivot like Ross.

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Okay.

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I'm going to pull up this bracket.

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I'm going to pull up this bracket.

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Please do.

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As Brian pulls us up,

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let me remind everybody

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what we've been doing so

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far for the past two weeks

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and kind of get everybody up to speed.

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So at the beginning of March, yeah,

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like a few weeks ago,

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we started right around

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when March Madness started.

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We did our 2000 comedies bracket.

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We started with a group of

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32 different comedy movies,

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and we have inched our way

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closer to getting to sort

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of a final four championship setup.

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Last week we did the sweet

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16 week before we did the group of 32.

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And so to this week,

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we have some tougher

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decisions to make by doing

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the elite eight matchups.

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And so we've kind of whittled them down.

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And before we jump into it,

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one thing that we sort of

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talked about on our episode

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last week is other criteria,

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because at this point in time,

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We have sort of said which ones we prefer.

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So my question to you all,

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and I am prepared for this

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if we want to do it,

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do we want to have there to

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be like a Rotten Tomatoes

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score or a box office as

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sort of the sway either way?

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Now, obviously,

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box office numbers are

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subject to what they're up against.

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That's not a great measurement.

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But are there other things

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that you all want to

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consider as we start to

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talk about getting this

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down to a Final Four type setup?

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I mean, at this point,

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I feel like it's we're just

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we're just talking about

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what's the better movie, though.

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I feel like I don't know if

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a Rotten Tomatoes is going to sway that.

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I don't know.

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Or like a box office.

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I don't know.

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Do you have any feelings on that, Marcus?

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No, I don't care.

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Don't care.

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Don't care.

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OK, well,

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then we'll just go with what

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we've been going with this whole time,

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which is talking about the

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better movie and go.

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OK.

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So, Brian,

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what's that first matchup we got?

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All right.

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Well,

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we're going to just jump right into it.

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And we knew we were going to

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really have a hard time with it.

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So it's the 40 year old

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virgin versus the hangover.

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You've got Steve Carell

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versus Zaf Galifianakis.

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You got you got I don't know,

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someone working at an

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electronic store versus

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people getting lost and doing a memento.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I ran out of gas for that reference.

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But yeah, here we are.

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Here we are.

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That's fine.

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I'll go first.

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Just because I feel like

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I've had a lot of time to

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think about this particular

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matchup and to sort of comb through it.

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In your eight hours in the car.

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In my eight hours each way, remember,

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in the car.

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For me, it's the hangover.

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As much as I like the 40-year-old virgin,

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I think that...

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The impact that The Hangover

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had on the cultural folks at the time,

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we still come back to it as

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sort of like references.

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I mean, when there was... Remember...

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Jason Kelsey showed up to or

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there was that whole like

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thing where they were like

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putting his head on Zach

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Galifianakis body and make

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it seem like he was in Vegas.

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I think there's a lot of

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things that still have some

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staying power and some

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reference in our times

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today where the 40 year old

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virgin is great.

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I mean, it is.

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Yes.

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You know, they did.

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They did knocked up first.

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And that was like the first

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of the Judd Apatow like comedies.

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But the 40 year old virgin

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sort of like perfected that

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sort of style and took it

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to another level.

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But for me,

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I think the hangover is is the

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better of the two.

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Yeah,

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I think it's the hangover only

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because and we're just

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we're killing more darlings here.

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It is.

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It gets to the point faster,

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I think is like what this

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is coming down to.

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And you look at something

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like 40 year old virgin and

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it's just like.

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Alright, we get it.

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We get the premise.

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We get it.

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You can move it along a little bit here.

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But it's still funny,

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and part of the funny is the slow burn,

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but man, Hangover,

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it's like every three

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minutes you're laughing, no matter what.

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Something for everybody.

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So, I don't know.

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Marcus,

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do you have a dissent for the

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40-year-old virgin?

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No, I'll go Hangover.

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You're going what?

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I'll go Hangover.

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Okay, going hangover, going hangover.

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All right, there it is.

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That's a hangover.

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Boom, locked in.

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It's in the final four.

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Goodbye,

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Steve Carell and the 40-year-old virgin.

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The quick note I wanted to

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say is Todd Phillips directed it,

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even though it does feel

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like a Judd Apatow film, like 100%.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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And in terms of box office,

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this is the correct choice then as well,

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because The Hangover had

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$469 million at the box

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office to The 40-Year-Old

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Virgin's $177 million at the box office.

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That's a pretty hard margin

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to have to try to beat the spread on.

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So we got it right,

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but the box office would

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also support that decision as well.

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I mean,

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and both of these movies are well

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reviewed, too.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, these are not a bad.

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This isn't a bad way to

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spend your Saturday night

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on Rotten Tomatoes, though.

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The 40 year old virgin comes out on top.

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So critically,

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40 year old was received

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better than The Hangover.

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So I find that interesting.

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Yep.

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all right all right all

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right folks we're doing

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meet the parents versus

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teledega nights ricky bobby

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versus ben stiller being

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sad so um I it's our number

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four and number five seat

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here I'm really not I i

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don't know I'm gonna have

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to think about this one for

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a bit marcus do you want to

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maybe start thinking here

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not really not really why

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I don't know, man.

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I'm just throwing off.

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You know what?

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I don't think I can do it tonight.

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I'll talk to y'all later.

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That's fine.

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Live your life.

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Okay.

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So then we will carry on,

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and that is totally fine.

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So then 2006 is Talladega Nights,

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directed by Adam McKay.

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Meet the Parents came out in 2000,

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so there's a little bit of

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a gap there as well in terms of time.

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So box office for Talladega Nights,

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$163 million.

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And then the Meet the

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Parents had $330 million in

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terms of how we're going to

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level set this.

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So yeah.

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Brian, do you want to start us off?

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Do you want me to start us off?

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So Talladega Nights,

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I know that in our conversations,

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it's not one I voted for.

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A whole lot.

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So I'm trying to keep an open mind here.

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And I feel like with this,

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it's like all vibes to me.

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Also, it's just the two of us.

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So if we deadlock, we're, we're,

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we're done.

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We got to put the coin or something.

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All right.

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I'm just fucking with you.

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I couldn't do it, Marcus.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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I was fucking with you.

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You know what, though?

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It was so convincing that I

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was prepared to just let you go.

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I was like, no, Marcus needs his space.

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Fuck him.

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All right, we'll just fucking keep going.

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It was so uncomfortable.

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It was so uncomfortable.

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It was so funny because I texted,

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I messaged Brian last week and was like,

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I want to pull an April

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Fool's prank on Doug.

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You motherfuckers.

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But what fucked it up was we

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were supposed to do it

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during catch that quotable.

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Yeah, you were like, no quote this week.

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And I was like, well, damn it.

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So I had to pick at this man

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being in the car with his

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kids for eight hours.

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I had to like pull something

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out of my ass.

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Yeah,

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you had to pick what you were going

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to be mad about.

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And I was, I know Doug, if I would have,

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I'd know me just saying like, yeah,

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I just can't do this.

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I knew his immediate

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reaction was going to be, yeah,

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that's fine.

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Like take the time you need to blah, blah,

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blah, blah.

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Mason in the chat,

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I was about to text you if

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you were up there.

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Marcus,

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you've got all these people worried, man.

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Brian is the man for playing.

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Because he knew exactly when to ask you.

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Like, Marcus, what are you thinking?

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It's so much dead space.

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I'm just bugging with you.

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I am happy to be here, everybody.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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Good, I'm glad.

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Happy April Fool's Day.

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You're fine.

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I did not mean to take a shot at you.

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That was just for the... Oh, no,

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I don't give a shit.

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It was fine.

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taking a shot at you in the

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car with your jeans for eight hours.

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We were supposed to have

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this fake back and forth during the quote,

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and then you're like, anyway,

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there's no quote.

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And I was like, well,

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Marcus and I are going to

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ad-lib the hell out of this

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and yes and each other

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until we get it right.

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You know what?

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I'm proud of the both of you.

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For sticking to your plan

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regardless of the wrench

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that I had to throw in this whole thing.

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I'm surprised that that

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didn't throw you off when I was like,

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well,

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it just would have been nice to get a...

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holy buckets shout out to

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doug because like I was

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also trying to make it as

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uncomfortable as possible

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and like I was like anyway

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moving along meet the

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parents and I'm like are

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you serious a professional

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to the fucking you guys

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that that little red button

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in the upper left hand

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section of this says live

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which means we're live

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which means there is no time to react

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be mad I can be mad or upset

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or more importantly because

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I legitimately thought

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something happened I could

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check in with my guy like

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once we get through this so

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for me it was keep this

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fucking thing moving I was

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looking at I'm looking at

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the clock and I'm like

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we're about to hit 15

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minutes I'm gonna have to

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make a play here so yeah

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he's not baiting on it I

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thought that my non-

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Like, my, like, quick, like,

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hangover response was going

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to set him over the edge of, like, dude,

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you need to leave or something.

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And then, like,

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that was going to be my bait.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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I just... I just... I mean,

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this guy's got dead patience.

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Keep this in your highlight reel,

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because you just... You were...

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flipping professional and

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I'm like ready to be like, Doug,

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we can't do this with just the two of us.

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You know who I thank for this?

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I think all the years that I

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had to do behind closed

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doors in RA training where

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you would walk into the scenario and it's

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you don't know what's behind

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that door but you gotta you

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gotta fucking deal with it

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and so shout out to my time

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in housing and residence

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life because that prepared

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me for this situation that

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was good uh cool as a

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cucumber yeah do you want

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to do you want to go back

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and tell us how you're

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really doing now that

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you're not making a play or

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like I am good lsu just

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lost I think that I think

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that's pretty much at this

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point I don't know why you

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don't it's pretty much at

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that point I don't

::

know why you don't want LSU to win.

::

Can I really quickly?

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Yeah, for sure.

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First off,

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that stuff that we talked about

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in the chat, so for folks who don't know,

::

they released a whole

::

Washington Post article and

::

it is all full of microaggressions.

::

Top to bottom.

::

All the L.A.

::

Times.

::

All the isms.

::

And it is rough.

::

Real rough to read where you're like,

::

who wrote this?

::

Someone from 1955?

::

Yeah.

::

With phrases like dirty debutantes.

::

What did he say?

::

Dirty debutantes versus America's team.

::

America's team and hot sauce

::

versus Louisiana hot sauce

::

versus milk and cookies.

::

Who are you?

::

I think just this season.

::

with when when angel reese

::

left the team right and we

::

were all like I mean and

::

they still because here's

::

the thing that bugs me and

::

everybody knows this I am a

::

big fan of like when you

::

are on a team sport team

::

first player second I've

::

always been that way that

::

is always I am on record of

::

being that way and we still

::

hear this like never really addressed

::

kind of dipped out,

::

had a little bit of an

::

argument with her coach,

::

or at least that's what was reported.

::

I wasn't in the locker room,

::

so I don't know.

::

Wouldn't have been

::

appropriate for me to be

::

there in any capacity.

::

I just wanted to get that out there.

::

Don't know why.

::

What a save.

::

Unnecessary save.

::

Saved you all from roasting

::

me for wanting to be there.

::

April, fool yourself.

::

Yeah.

::

I really did.

::

But people are still like, oh,

::

she's such a great player.

::

And I'm like, is she, though?

::

She is.

::

She has very good IQ.

::

She is a good player.

::

Angel Reese is a good player.

::

She's a very good player

::

because when everybody's

::

talking about Kaitlyn Clark,

::

Angel Reese is like

::

everybody who's in that top

::

four for women's basketball

::

right now is supposed to be there.

::

Juju Watkins.

::

Yes.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

The young lady that plays at UConn,

::

Caitlin Clark,

::

injuries and Flo Flo is a

::

Flo J. They were pronounced

::

Flo J. Johnson.

::

So like, yeah,

::

that is a great group of talent.

::

I think the hard part,

::

especially about women's sports,

::

is it's the narratives like

::

the narratives have much more weight.

::

And I think that Angel Reese

::

and Caitlin Clark,

::

they had to come out during

::

one of the interviews prior

::

to the game of like, no,

::

I don't hate Caitlin Clark.

::

When we're between the whistles,

::

we're competing.

::

And I just think it's hard

::

for them to beat a narrative,

::

especially now that women's basketball,

::

women's sports have gotten

::

to this point of how big it

::

should have always been.

::

Now you have to like,

::

you have to play that game of like,

::

If that dude would have

::

wrote that article about

::

LeBron and men's sport,

::

I think it hits a little bit differently.

::

You still have the race

::

component to play and a lot

::

of other different

::

microaggressions to play against.

::

But when it's women's sports,

::

they have to battle all of

::

these narratives and

::

disprove every single thing

::

and do all of these different things.

::

And those are pressures that they...

::

are always under because

::

they're like top athletes

::

but they haven't had like

::

this state at this state so

::

I think it's like maybe

::

she's a problem I would not

::

know I think half of it is

::

like her the way that they

::

depict her and also I agree

::

and also is the narrative

::

different if it's caitlyn

::

clark absent from

::

absolutely absolutely

::

because they're doing

::

they're doing the same

::

thing to caitlyn clark but

::

it looks different in a

::

different capacity right yes and so like

::

not to say that you wrote

::

like she could also be an

::

asshole you know what I

::

mean like we don't know we

::

just don't know we don't I

::

don't know I just think

::

it's weird that this

::

narrative pops up like

::

around women athletes when

::

men trash talk each other

::

all the time and oh yeah

::

kind of seen as this

::

footnote like jordan and

::

isaiah thomas if you really

::

want to pick rivals right like

::

Michael Jordan and him went

::

back and forth all the time.

::

And like Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese,

::

they're,

::

they're both going to be drafted

::

in the same year.

::

Probably they're going to be, it's them.

::

They're going to be around

::

each other for probably the

::

rest of their career.

::

So like, they're going to like,

::

from what I've heard,

::

cause they were doing an interview,

::

like a pregame interview

::

with Caitlin Clark, where she was like,

::

yeah,

::

if we don't make it out of this round,

::

I'm going to go try out for

::

the Olympic team.

::

Yeah.

::

And it's very possible that

::

you have the folks that

::

Marcus just listed off, Flo J. Johnson,

::

Paige Beckers, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese,

::

as your America's women's

::

basketball team.

::

Yeah.

::

Like representing the United

::

States in the Olympics,

::

which is holy shit.

::

Like a great fucking team.

::

2024 dream team.

::

Oh, a hundred percent.

::

Yeah.

::

So great, great point.

::

Anyway,

::

but this isn't basketballs in black

::

and white.

::

This is films in black and white.

::

We've got a bracket to talk about.

::

It would be a good one.

::

But Meet the Parents, Talladega Nights,

::

thoughts?

::

This is tough.

::

I mean, this is hard.

::

This is a four and a five.

::

Yeah, and it feels like that.

::

I mean, they've been separated.

::

These are a four and a five seed.

::

They have been kept separate

::

for two rounds.

::

This is not...

::

Okay, go ahead.

::

My immediate thoughts for me is,

::

I know we were kind of playing a game,

::

but when we were talking

::

about what are the standards,

::

like what are we looking at here now,

::

like when it comes to the bracket?

::

And I think for me,

::

right now I have to go

::

funniest because if I was to go,

::

If I was to go impactful,

::

I think Meet the Parents

::

would get my vote because I

::

think Meet the Parents

::

sparked a lot of that.

::

Doug mentioned it in another

::

episode of like that type

::

and style of comedy.

::

Yeah.

::

It sparked that.

::

Right.

::

And the casting is good and

::

all that other stuff.

::

But it still is like it's

::

not straight comedy.

::

And I think for that,

::

I have to go Talladega

::

Nights because there's much

::

more funnier moments and

::

pockets of funny in that

::

kind of Will Ferrell formula that exists.

::

So I'm going to go Talladega

::

Nights for me.

::

That's fair.

::

That's a good point.

::

I think for the same reason.

::

Sorry, Brent.

::

I think I'm going to go

::

Talladega Nights for the same reason.

::

This isn't about their

::

impact on being a trend or

::

changing things.

::

This is...

::

Are they funny or are they not?

::

For me, Talladega Nights is, I think,

::

a movie I laugh at more

::

than Meet the Parents.

::

I will watch Meet the Parents,

::

Meet the Fockers,

::

Meet the Little Fockers.

::

I will watch those on my own accord.

::

If I need something good to

::

watch and fall down a

::

rabbit hole of that style of comedy,

::

Talladega Nights is just

::

outright gut-busting funny

::

to me in this comparison.

::

Yeah,

::

I do feel like Talladega Knights is

::

the absurdist pick here.

::

I mean, and I mentioned that before.

::

And I did vote for Talladega

::

Knights in one of the rounds.

::

I just... Meet the Parents, to me,

::

is just...

::

my dissenting opinion here

::

is the way that meet the parents feet,

::

like makes me feel is so

::

unique than any other comedy movie.

::

And I feel like that is why

::

it gets my vote.

::

Like no other movie makes me

::

cringe in a comedy more than that movie.

::

Like just, uh, like I have nipples, Greg,

::

are you going to milk me?

::

Oh yeah.

::

One other movie says that, you know, like,

::

yep.

::

All right.

::

Congrats, Talladega Knights.

::

Oh my gosh.

::

Next week,

::

we're going to figure out the

::

Hangover versus Talladega Knights.

::

Good luck to us.

::

Oh boy.

::

White Chicks versus Step Brothers.

::

Okay, I'll go first.

::

Okay.

::

I'm going to – I do not want

::

this to be a Will Ferrell off.

::

I do not necessarily want it

::

to be a Will Ferrell off.

::

It's almost unavoidable, though.

::

It almost feels unavoidable

::

because here's my fear in

::

this pick as I'm processing out loud.

::

I feel like White Chicks may

::

have hit a wall here going

::

up against Step Brothers.

::

I agree.

::

And White Chicks is very good,

::

but Step Brothers is that

::

same reason that I just gave for, fuck,

::

I think that Will Ferrell

::

formula is a fucking cheat

::

code in this bracket.

::

Yeah.

::

I think the same reason I

::

just gave and picked

::

Talladega Nights is the

::

same reason I would have to

::

pick Step Brothers.

::

Culturally for me,

::

white chicks hold like a

::

more specific place in my heart.

::

There are definitely funny moments,

::

but Step Brothers has that

::

pockets of just, it's funny.

::

Like it's just funny throughout.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Before we get into others thoughts,

::

Step Brothers had a box

::

office of one hundred and

::

twenty eight million

::

dollars and White Chicks

::

had a box office of one

::

hundred and thirteen million dollars.

::

Both were smashes because

::

the White Chicks budget

::

thirty seven million Step

::

Brothers budget sixty five million.

::

Yeah, that matches it.

::

The weigh-ins are so good at

::

making something so

::

spectacular on such a small budget,

::

which I feel like shows their talent.

::

That's why studios love them.

::

I guarantee that's why the

::

studios love them.

::

I mean, man.

::

I'm going to have to do this

::

because I feel like I know

::

which direction this is going.

::

I'm going to cast my vote

::

for White Chicks because it

::

is going to be my dissent vote.

::

because I know that it's not going to win.

::

And just culturally,

::

I hold a responsibility to

::

just represent for white chicks here.

::

Because, I mean,

::

I'm going to pick Step Brothers because,

::

I mean,

::

same reason as the previous matchup,

::

right?

::

It's tough.

::

It's just hilarious.

::

Like, I laugh more,

::

and that is not – I think

::

we could say this about all

::

of the ones in this

::

particular round of the bracket,

::

and even the last round.

::

These are all really funny movies,

::

and it's what makes it so hard,

::

but Step Brothers is my pick.

::

It's a Wayans formula and a

::

Will Ferrell formula.

::

And these two motherfuckers

::

going head-to-head, like,

::

it's just tough.

::

They both work in different ways.

::

And I think what's hard here is, like,

::

Step Brothers is, like,

::

almost the end point of the

::

Will Ferrell 2000s comedy formula,

::

and White Chicks is, like,

::

in the... I don't know if

::

it's in the middle, but it's, like,

::

it's still figuring out, like,

::

the Wayans...

::

like form of comedy in a movie.

::

Like obviously they had it in scary movie,

::

but white chicks was still

::

pushing some boundaries,

::

which some of it to me then

::

gets a little inconsistent,

::

but I appreciate people

::

pushing boundaries.

::

But when you're looking for

::

like the consistency, that's I,

::

that's the thing that makes

::

the difference to me.

::

And that's what,

::

that's why I'm voting for stepbrothers,

::

but like, I don't feel good about it,

::

but yeah,

::

it's a specific taste yeah

::

then you get you get white

::

chicks then you get little

::

man then you get um haunted

::

house and meet the you know

::

I mean like that kind of

::

like yeah so so here's

::

another funny like thing

::

that the way in which these

::

movies are are similar

::

roger ebert gave each of

::

these movies one and a half stars

::

His quote about White Chicks is,

::

here is a film so dreary

::

and conventional that it

::

took an act of will to keep

::

me in the theater.

::

And then he said about Step Brothers,

::

he said, when did comedies get so mean?

::

Step Brothers has a premise

::

that might have produced a

::

good time at the movies, but when I left,

::

I felt a little unclean.

::

That's actually very true.

::

That's actually a good review.

::

It's a good summary.

::

Also,

::

Step Brothers almost got a rap album.

::

Adam McKay said on Twitter

::

in 2011 that they were

::

starting production of a

::

Step Brothers rap album,

::

but then later said that it

::

fell apart and it will not be released.

::

Wow.

::

There you go.

::

I think that would have

::

ruined Step Brothers.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

I mean...

::

Are you kidding me?

::

If that released at that time,

::

the amount of fervor and

::

feral anticipation for a

::

Will Ferrell type thing like that,

::

people would have bought it

::

just as a joke.

::

Yeah, boats and hoes on there,

::

and then you get like an Andy Samberg,

::

SML type.

::

Yeah, like, okay, never mind.

::

Yeah, you're right.

::

You can pump out eight to

::

ten songs and have three of them be good,

::

you know?

::

All right.

::

Okay, our last matchup of the night.

::

The weigh-ins are back in this one.

::

Scary Movie versus Dodgeball.

::

All right, I'm going to take this one too.

::

I'm going to start with Scary Movie.

::

Okay.

::

Because I think that Scary

::

Movie is way more...

::

funnier the pockets are

::

funny it's way more iconic

::

dodgeball is equally just

::

as good and deserves to be

::

a number two I think we

::

didn't have a ranking for

::

this like scary movie would

::

be much much higher I think

::

if we bracketed this out by

::

like number order we were

::

it was it was randomized

::

like I just hit a

::

randomizer yeah so I know

::

that it's not us putting it

::

as a 26 seed um yeah

::

I'm going to go Scary Movie.

::

I think that the Wayans Bros

::

formula is perfect here.

::

Dodgeball is still a good movie.

::

I cannot go further without

::

pushing Scary Movie past Dodgeball.

::

I'm sorry.

::

It just feels more iconic to

::

me and more funny.

::

It captures horror movies so well.

::

It captures the comedy in

::

horror movies so well.

::

It's like,

::

you're not supposed to laugh at that.

::

It made fun of Scream,

::

which was a massive fucking

::

horror movie hit movie in

::

such funny fucking ways.

::

And the shit that they did

::

in it was so absurd.

::

You were like, is that a dick pic?

::

And he has a micro penis?

::

And it's like, yo, there's so much shit.

::

You know what I mean?

::

I don't know.

::

no it it's here's the thing

::

is that dodgeball if I'm

::

going back to like

::

consistency like dodgeball

::

like it's gonna get like

::

one of these like it's

::

gonna get one of these

::

laughs out of me every five

::

minutes like yeah like

::

scary movie I will be rip

::

roaring laughing when one

::

of those jokes hit and it's

::

like it's like a bomb going

::

off and like it's

::

it takes an understanding of

::

the genre and then to

::

channel that through humor, I think is a,

::

is a talent.

::

I enjoy dodge ball, but I,

::

I think scary movie is the

::

more technical pick for me.

::

So I'm going with scary movie.

::

I was also going to go with scary movie.

::

So I'm glad this show.

::

And that's because I,

::

for all the reasons you all said, like,

::

I think it's,

::

I think it's more of a feat of comedy.

::

I mean, of the movies that it parodied one,

::

two, three, four, five, six, seven,

::

like 10 movies that were in

::

there that they were able

::

to weave into a coherent

::

story where it didn't feel

::

like it was jumping around

::

all over the place.

::

This is another example of them being two.

::

These were well matched up these years.

::

Like, um,

::

They both had a budget of

::

around $20 million.

::

So Dodgeball had a budget of $20 million.

::

Scary Movie had a budget of $19 million.

::

How much did Scary Movie make?

::

Scary Movie made $278

::

million at the box office.

::

Dodgeball made $168.4 million.

::

That's good, too.

::

Jesus Christ.

::

Both were given three stars

::

by Roger Ebert.

::

Seriously,

::

for critical reception and box

::

office and what they spent,

::

these movies are identical.

::

It's actually really good, actually.

::

I'm sorry.

::

I cannot get over the fact

::

that Dodgeball was a $20 million movie.

::

No.

::

And Scary Movie being only $20 million.

::

And back then, that could seem,

::

you know what I mean, whatever, but...

::

That's impressive.

::

Yeah, because it was 2000s.

::

It was $20 million in 2000,

::

where dodgeball was 2006...

::

I want to say.

::

Wow.

::

It was like 2004.

::

Oh, okay.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, yeah.

::

Like you don't even have to

::

adjust for inflation that much.

::

I mean, like 20 million,

::

20 million for that movie is just,

::

I can't get over that.

::

I need something more intelligent to say.

::

You would think the talent

::

would cost more than 20

::

million alone with Ben

::

Stiller and Vince Vaughn.

::

But yeah,

::

I guess it doesn't.

::

I guess the sets were cheap,

::

and you have no special effects.

::

Pretty much.

::

Roger Ebert said that of Dodgeball,

::

a miraculous gift to the audience,

::

20th Century Fox does not

::

reveal all of the best gags

::

in its trailer.

::

And then for Scary Movie,

::

it was... What did he say

::

about Scary Movie?

::

He said...

::

It was a delivers the goods,

::

calling the film a raucous,

::

satirical attack on all slasher movies.

::

He did try to say that it

::

was not as great as like

::

Airplane in terms of its innovation.

::

But throw that aside.

::

Disagree.

::

Hardcore.

::

Whatever.

::

Me too.

::

Hard disagree.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

I understand that that's the

::

parody originated book.

::

We have our work cut out for us, folks,

::

next week.

::

We'll have the championship matchup,

::

but before then,

::

we will need to decide the

::

Hangover versus Talladega Nights.

::

and Step Brothers vs. Scary Movie.

::

Man, what a bracket.

::

I'm going to try to watch

::

some of these this week,

::

just to try to remind myself.

::

I am going to try to watch

::

Scary Movie and at least

::

Talladega Nights because

::

those are the ones I

::

probably haven't seen the most.

::

Uh-huh.

::

But man, to be honest though,

::

if I were to be like, hey,

::

here's the final four for

::

the bracket and I listed these movies,

::

this feels right.

::

I mean, it does, yeah.

::

This feels good.

::

The hangover is the one that

::

sticks out like a sore

::

thumb because of the way

::

that it's... I don't know how to word it.

::

The way that it's shot.

::

It's shot like a movie comedy.

::

The rest of these are shot like...

::

sitcoming comedies yeah they

::

definitely have more of

::

like a bite-sized style to

::

them and so the like the

::

cinematic flair isn't there

::

as much where the hangover

::

you can tell they hired

::

like a photographer like it

::

feels like a not like an

::

epic but it's like this is

::

this is it's a movie

::

Well, the shot that I always think of is,

::

it's almost like the opening shot,

::

and it's also halfway through,

::

and it's when Bradley

::

Cooper's on the phone to the bride saying,

::

we lost Doug,

::

and it's him in the middle third,

::

but on the out thirds,

::

they've separated them where...

::

Zach Galifianakis is on one

::

side and the other one is

::

on the other side.

::

Like, it's just like, it's,

::

it's such a great shot,

::

like visually that they had

::

to have had some

::

cinematographer that was

::

like working overtime.

::

Oh, I mean, I hang on a second.

::

Like,

::

cause I think you're absolutely right.

::

And I think I found the image that you're,

::

you're talking about here.

::

Cause like,

::

I'm looking at this and now

::

thinking about what you said,

::

is this the one that you're thinking of?

::

Yep.

::

Yep.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

You're not seeing anything

::

like that in Talladega nights.

::

No, no, that is on purpose.

::

I mean, or stepbrothers like, I mean,

::

yeah.

::

And for listeners who aren't

::

on our live stream, I mean,

::

it's Bradley Cooper in the

::

foreground and it's like, it's,

::

it looks like a college dorm room poster.

::

I mean, it's perfect.

::

Like it's anyway, anyway,

::

this is a good reason for

::

you to join our live stream.

::

So you can see what we're talking about.

::

Join the live stream.

::

All right.

::

Well,

::

we have our work cut out for us next week,

::

folks.

::

Goodness gracious.

::

We really do.

::

Before we jump into Ghostbusters,

::

I just want to put in two

::

plugs that I think are important.

::

One,

::

we talked about poor things being

::

something that we all wanted to see.

::

If anyone is curious, it's on Hulu.

::

Oh.

::

You know what?

::

I got really confused,

::

because it's on Disney as well,

::

and now it all makes sense.

::

So, okay, good to know.

::

And the other thing is, look, y'all,

::

remember that movie Wish

::

that I didn't understand

::

was about a star?

::

That is also going to be on

::

Disney Plus at the end of this week.

::

So if you want to try to

::

figure out what that movie is,

::

and then let us know if I

::

just missed something huge...

::

by all means I'm my kids

::

will probably want to watch

::

that for friday family

::

movie night so you can

::

expect me to have

::

commentary on that for my

::

my dms are open to your

::

thoughts about the movie

::

wish and I'm gonna send you

::

all the spicy messages

::

about wish doug all my spicy hot

::

Spicy hot takes, Doug.

::

What else did you think I

::

was talking about?

::

Nothing, Brian.

::

Nothing.

::

I was thinking that you were

::

thinking nothing.

::

Do you want to get the spicy

::

messages from Brian about the Star movie?

::

To be honest,

::

I would only feel so lucky to

::

get the spicy message from

::

Brian about Wish.

::

Hey, Doug, you up?

::

I mean, I don't know what it would be,

::

but I'm...

::

You up?

::

That's fucking hilarious.

::

We gotta talk about Wish.

::

Alright, but more importantly,

::

we need to talk about

::

Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

So, spoiler warning.

::

Again,

::

we gave you a spoiler warning in the

::

midst of a elaborate practical joke.

::

You got a spoiler warning.

::

But now here's also another

::

real spoiler warning here as well.

::

But, Brian, Marcus,

::

or I'm also happy to do it,

::

Barbershop Summary

::

for Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

All right, what had happened was, imagine,

::

all right?

::

Imagine there's a prison,

::

but it's in a ball, all right?

::

And there's a ghost prison in the ball.

::

But there's another prison

::

that they be putting all

::

the ghosts in since like 87.

::

And it's clogged up like a

::

bad toilet with bad pipes, okay?

::

Because they just keep

::

stuffing shit in there.

::

And then nobody had an exit

::

strategy for all these damn ghosts.

::

They just keep stuffing them in a thing,

::

all right?

::

So now imagine the group

::

that we met in Ghostbusters Afterlife,

::

the group of Ghostbusters

::

are still Ghostbusting,

::

but now they have issues

::

with the mayor who's trying

::

to shut down the

::

Ghostbusters team because

::

they have a minor on the team, Phoebe.

::

Phoebe is only 15.

::

So he told her,

::

you got to sit your ass

::

down at least to 18 because

::

you can't do that.

::

That's illegal.

::

And he's been trying to find

::

a way to shut them down.

::

All right, cool.

::

So she's sad about it.

::

So she meets a ghost called Melody.

::

She plays chess with Melody in the park.

::

And Melody is trying to

::

convince her to become a

::

ghost so that she can meet

::

on the same dimensional plane.

::

Meanwhile,

::

they also run into a fire master.

::

They also run into a fire master who is...

::

God, what is his name?

::

Yes, I meant his movie name,

::

but I forgot what his name was.

::

Oh, Nadeem Razmati.

::

Nadeem Razmati.

::

Nadeem is the fire master, right?

::

But he doesn't know that,

::

so he gives away his grandmother's ball,

::

which was the prison that

::

the ghost is in.

::

Now,

::

the ghost that's inside the ball that

::

was a prison,

::

he can control other ghosts.

::

He can make them do whatever

::

it is that he wants them to, or it.

::

It can make it do,

::

ghosts do whatever it is

::

that it wants to do.

::

And so they find out, hey,

::

the little the firehouse is

::

a really a connector to the

::

major ghost line that is in

::

the world right above.

::

They didn't just buy it just to buy it.

::

But then they say, well,

::

we're running out of space

::

and this place is wacky and

::

the electricity don't work.

::

Oh, by the way,

::

we have a bigger ghost busting facility.

::

headquarters that has like

::

where we are pulling the

::

spirits out of haunted

::

items or whatever the fuck

::

is going on and so like you

::

have that the original

::

ghostbusters team comes

::

back the new ghostbusters

::

team is here and they all

::

have to like train the fire

::

master while phoebe has to

::

like gets betrayed by

::

melody the ghost and excuse

::

me and in the meantime they

::

phoebe turns into a ghost

::

leaves her body for like

::

two minutes in that two

::

minutes the the big the

::

ghost in the prison,

::

it takes over Phoebe to

::

sing the chant and then the chant goes,

::

Patton Oswalt is also in

::

there and the lions also

::

come to life again in

::

Ghostbusters because you

::

can't not have that happen.

::

Right.

::

Pretty much.

::

I mean, yeah,

::

and I just want to let listeners know,

::

if you're tuning in and you're like,

::

I just want to listen about this movie,

::

wow, Marcus seemed all over the place.

::

That is the movie.

::

He did the best he could

::

with what he was given.

::

He actually left stuff out.

::

Actually, I did not hit everything.

::

And now I'm going to take a break.

::

Yeah, you should.

::

That was a lot.

::

If I'm being transparent, I'm going to go.

::

Take a piss.

::

Go take care of yourself.

::

Bio break.

::

Yep, you got to do that.

::

But here, while Marcus is doing that,

::

let's run down the cast.

::

Brian, did you say a bio break?

::

A bio break.

::

Biological break.

::

I don't know why that was so funny.

::

It made me come back.

::

I'm going to piss myself.

::

That's my major league

::

gaming language right there.

::

A bio break.

::

That's hilarious.

::

Let's run down cast, box office,

::

and budget.

::

So Paul Rudd plays Gary Gruberson.

::

Carrie Coon plays Callie Spangler.

::

Finn Wolfhard plays Trevor Spangler.

::

McKenna Grace plays Phoebe Spangler.

::

Kumail Nanjiani plays Nadim Razmati.

::

Patton Oswalt plays Dr. Hubert Wartsky.

::

Celeste O'Connor is in this.

::

She plays Lucky.

::

You might remember her from

::

our Madam Web review.

::

I just wanted to put that out there.

::

Because Celeste O'Connor was in Madam Web.

::

Sure didn't.

::

Didn't remember that at all.

::

Great.

::

I'm going to pull that out.

::

Continue.

::

Sorry.

::

Thanks, Brian.

::

Logan Kim comes back and plays podcast.

::

Emily Allen Lind plays melody.

::

Bill Murray is back as Peter Rankman.

::

Dan Aykroyd is back as Ray Stantz.

::

Ernie Hudson is back as Winston Zettimore.

::

Annie Potts is back as Janine Melnitz.

::

William Atherton is back as Walter Peck,

::

this time as...

::

mayor um yes that's the

::

those are sort of the those

::

are sort of the big ones um

::

let's get you all a budget

::

estimated budget of around

::

100 million dollars give or

::

take um which is a lot um

::

opening weekend it made 45

::

million dollars so that was

::

just as a heads up we're a

::

Um,

::

and so far it's gross worldwide has

::

been $108 million, uh, give or take.

::

So as far as things are concerned,

::

it is about breaking even,

::

which in this day and age

::

with a complicated sequel, uh,

::

Kind of hard to keep track of.

::

There you go.

::

That's okay.

::

Nothing to thumb your nose at.

::

And then runtime, one hour and 55 minutes.

::

So just coming underneath

::

that two-hour mark.

::

Brian, before Marcus gets back,

::

do you remember the name of

::

the main big bad ghost?

::

Because I do not.

::

I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

::

No, but that's a good question.

::

That's a good question for this movie.

::

Because I could tell you the

::

ones of the other one.

::

I could tell you the

::

original one is Gozer.

::

And that was even in Afterlight.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

And then in Ghostbusters 2, it was...

::

It was.

::

Well, he's the Vigo.

::

Like, I can't remember his whole full name,

::

but I just remember what

::

the artist was talking about.

::

Yeah.

::

But yeah, that's I mean,

::

that Statue of Liberty and

::

Stay Puft Marshmallow.

::

Yeah.

::

2016.

::

I can't I can't tell you who

::

the villain was.

::

In the 2016 one.

::

I know that in the afterlife,

::

it was some demonic.

::

I don't know.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

It was Gozer again.

::

Yep,

::

because that's where they found the

::

temple in Oklahoma.

::

That's right.

::

That was a second temple to Gozer.

::

Yes, so I looked it up.

::

The villain in Ghostbusters

::

Frozen Empire is Garaka.

::

There it is!

::

He's an ice demon and can

::

control other ghosts with telepathy.

::

That's a lot of information.

::

Yeah, you know, here's the thing, though.

::

If we're jumping right in,

::

they don't really talk

::

about the villain until...

::

way after, I'd say, the 45-minute mark.

::

Oh, yeah,

::

this movie is half over when they're like,

::

oh, yeah, the villain's name is Garaka.

::

And you don't even

::

understand why Garaka is

::

important until an hour 15, maybe?

::

Until he breaks out.

::

Because Patton Oswalt is

::

describing Garaka as Garaka

::

is breaking out.

::

Which, again,

::

is more than halfway at this movie being.

::

So I feel like we can be

::

forgiven that we didn't

::

know the villain's name off

::

the bat because we only

::

knew the villain for like

::

12 minutes of screen time

::

is what it felt like.

::

Maybe 30 minutes.

::

Accurate.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Gentlemen,

::

thoughts on Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

::

All right.

::

I want to get into the segment.

::

I want to allow my guys a

::

moment to stretch their

::

legs here a little bit.

::

Well,

::

there was a lot of conversations

::

about the extra shit that

::

happens in this.

::

There's a lot of extra shit.

::

Yes.

::

And I think that we

::

understand this movie would

::

be better in another form of media.

::

And so we're going to have a

::

little segment here that my

::

guys are going to take over

::

and I'm just going to

::

listen called Games in Black and White.

::

That's a fancy graphic.

::

So gentlemen, talk to me.

::

How would this work?

::

What was your thought process?

::

What triggered this?

::

How does Ghostbusters Frozen

::

Empire work better as a

::

video game than a movie?

::

I actually think we can

::

actually review this movie

::

as we talk about the video

::

game structure.

::

Actually,

::

I think it actually works perfectly.

::

And Doug,

::

you were very passionate about

::

this when we started

::

talking about it in the chat.

::

So why don't you kick us off?

::

And then I have some things I want to add.

::

so I also it is can I add

::

something before doug

::

starts I did not know as I

::

was coming back from the

::

bathroom that the jehovah

::

witnesses was working the

::

late night hours so it was

::

not oh oh wow who the hell

::

is this I know that's what

::

I said I know jesus and I

::

know he is not awake he

::

just wants to achieve an

::

iowa game and he's sleeping

::

now yeah he was gonna go to bed he's

::

Yeah,

::

he was... There were a lot of people

::

asking for a lot of... He was risen,

::

but now he is asleep.

::

A lot of people asking for

::

his time and attention

::

tonight for that basketball game.

::

Specifically from the Iowa area.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

And Van Leaf, or whatever her name is.

::

She's a good player.

::

Whatever, who couldn't guard Caitlyn.

::

She was praying the most.

::

She was struggling all night.

::

Please, please, please help me.

::

For the love of God.

::

So...

::

My initial thought wasn't

::

necessarily that this movie

::

in particular would be

::

better as a video game.

::

My main point was one of the

::

major themes that I think

::

works for this movie is

::

that it does kind of introduce...

::

Almost in a Men in Black style sort of way,

::

this whole division of

::

Ghostbusters Incorporated,

::

kind of to borrow what

::

Marcus' little chyron is.

::

Ghostbusters Incorporated.

::

We've done a lot of research.

::

Hey,

::

you know that ghost containment unit

::

that was in the original firehouse?

::

Yeah, it's old.

::

Well, we should replace it.

::

We already did.

::

And we have this big

::

elaborate thing where we

::

study the ghosts and there you have it.

::

And new proton packs.

::

And we put ghosts so people

::

can walk through like a

::

ghost zoo to observe the

::

ghosts and see like what

::

this is all about.

::

This kind of had like my

::

brain spinning a little bit

::

where you could lay the

::

foundation for a video game

::

that happens in the near

::

future where you join this

::

new like group in the science division.

::

Your first day is learning

::

how to use all the tools.

::

That's your that's your, you know, your.

::

tutorial training tutorial

::

yeah your tutorial you know

::

hey tilt that proton pack

::

up for me now go ahead and

::

tilt it down are you happy

::

with how that works now

::

phil tilt it left now tilt

::

it to the right hey you

::

seem like you have a really

::

good grasp on how this how

::

to use the proton

::

achievement unlocked that's

::

exactly how that's gonna

::

work add it to your utility bill yep

::

I'm excited to see what you

::

can do with it.

::

I want to put a pause right

::

there because you want to

::

know where I knew that that

::

had to be a thing?

::

Two points.

::

At the beginning of the movie,

::

the production company of

::

this movie is it's

::

What was it?

::

Oh, Ghost something.

::

We said it in the chat.

::

The actual production

::

company is Ghost Corps.

::

Yes, Ghost Corps.

::

Ghost Corps is the production company.

::

So that says a lot of like,

::

there's more of this coming.

::

The other part was at the end,

::

some of the tools that

::

you'll see or some of the

::

gear that they get.

::

There's somebody that has a proton pack,

::

but it's on her hand.

::

She's one of the original members.

::

Janine Melvitz.

::

She doesn't have a full proton pack,

::

but she has something on her hand.

::

hand yeah and I think that

::

that's what they would put

::

in the game sorry keep

::

going anyway oh yeah yeah

::

and so for me I thought

::

like okay so this follows

::

somebody who joins the

::

ghost core and right after they join

::

They are like all of the go

::

in the time between like

::

this movie ends and the

::

video game starts.

::

They filled up more of these

::

areas with ghosts in the

::

zoo and then they break out

::

and you have to go into an

::

open world style game

::

around New York where you have to.

::

get around New York,

::

recapture these ghosts.

::

But as you do that,

::

you're discovering that

::

this is a part of a bigger

::

problem and you could reintroduce goes,

::

or you could actually make

::

up a brand new one,

::

which I think would be great.

::

But one of the things we

::

were talking about is,

::

like Ray stance.

::

So like Ray and Venkman and all the others,

::

those are side missions to

::

help grow certain, you know,

::

parts of your character tree where,

::

you know, Oh,

::

you have a mission that you

::

have to do for Ray.

::

And when you finish it, Oh,

::

you've gained an experience

::

point for your ghost knowledge bracket.

::

Um, and you know,

::

when you finish one for bank minutes, oh,

::

you've,

::

you've gotten better at

::

psychoanalyzing and that

::

comes through in a dialogue boost,

::

a dialogue buff you get

::

when you're talking to

::

people to try to learn more about ghosts.

::

Like this could be a whole

::

thing of like getting

::

around town and having this

::

like open wide open world thing.

::

And what I really like about

::

it is then it provides you

::

the opportunity to play

::

with some of the folks from

::

this character where you

::

get to kind of see this family dynamic,

::

but as almost like an outsider where,

::

you know,

::

you're being bought in and you

::

have to train with Phoebe and the others.

::

And this would work really, really well.

::

Yeah.

::

I just – that's what I kept

::

going back to is like, yep,

::

give me this in a

::

Spider-Man 2-esque format

::

where I have to get around

::

Manhattan and bust ghosts.

::

I think the scene that this

::

movie opens up with,

::

with them riding around New

::

York trying to catch that dragon –

::

that's a fucking playable

::

moment in the game that's

::

the opening tutorial for me

::

I think that could be it

::

too having them side out

::

the slide door and where

::

you can learn to use the

::

photon pack is like that

::

proton pack is like that's

::

where you're gonna put it

::

and like here's how you

::

drive the car like the uh

::

the aerial drone and flying

::

yeah like that's a part of

::

it too like yeah

::

imagine watchdogs plus

::

spider-man yes I think that

::

that's I think that that

::

watchdogs comparison

::

spider-man 2 is a little

::

bit different I think it

::

does well with its side

::

missions and stuff like

::

that so I can see that

::

component mixed in but

::

definitely that watchdog

::

types vibes for

::

ghostbusters yep that's the

::

vibe I got that's what I

::

kept thinking about I was

::

like yeah that'd be fucking

::

awesome I'd play the hell

::

out of that where would you do it huh

::

Well, I want to hear from Brian too,

::

but where would you play it?

::

Is there a specific system?

::

Is this on the switch?

::

Is it on, you know, does it matter?

::

I think you'd want to have

::

it be as high definition as possible.

::

So I think a more modern,

::

like a modern console for sure.

::

Um,

::

I mean,

::

definitely your PlayStation and Xbox.

::

For sure.

::

I wouldn't make this an exclusive.

::

I'd want to have it be

::

cross-platform because the

::

other idea that you could

::

add into this is if your

::

friend has the game,

::

there are specific missions

::

where the four of you could

::

join up and be that's your team of four.

::

Yeah.

::

So like the main storyline

::

is something you can do by yourself.

::

That's for me.

::

But all the,

::

if you want to have your

::

friends do it to bust ghosts,

::

they can all join up and do it that way.

::

And you could make it player.

::

You could make it player

::

versus computer in the sense of like,

::

if you wanted to have two teams of four,

::

it's an arena where whoever

::

captures the most ghosts in

::

a two minute timeframe,

::

that's the winner.

::

And that's how you unlock other.

::

Wow.

::

Brian, what do you think?

::

Wow.

::

I mean, Doug is absolutely right.

::

And this movie feels like it

::

is structured like the main.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Is doing everything except the main quest.

::

Yep.

::

There's a whole thing with

::

Phoebe and a love interest.

::

I'm calling it a love interest.

::

oh it's a brian it's a love

::

interest all a duck that's

::

a love interest like we

::

have the side quest at the

::

firehouse we with slimer we

::

have a side quest for paul

::

rudd who's maybe a dad

::

let's actually yeah brian

::

keep going I want to

::

actually count this out

::

though for the audience

::

because oh that's three so

::

brian like can you start

::

from the top I really want

::

to count these out sure

::

So the ones I've covered so

::

far is we have the ghost romance.

::

Yes.

::

We have the Slimer side quest.

::

Yep.

::

We have the dad side quest, Paul Rudd.

::

Then we're going to the

::

Ghostbusters International office,

::

which is a side quest in itself.

::

Yep.

::

And then, of course, the main mission,

::

the main narrative story

::

mission being Garaka.

::

Yep.

::

Then there's another side

::

mission where you have to

::

investigate the Fire Masters.

::

And if you're listening to

::

this and you're like,

::

what's a Fire Master?

::

Don't worry, we're going to tell you.

::

After you get past the Fire Master,

::

you have this thing of like, oh,

::

we need to fix up the firehouse, kind of.

::

What are we going to do?

::

And then the last side quest is like,

::

you're in trouble with the city.

::

And they don't want Phoebe...

::

on the thing so she's now

::

exploring you know the

::

library with Dan Aykroyd so

::

that's those are like all

::

of the side quests

::

eight eight that is eight

::

different side quests in

::

addition seven seven seven

::

side quests in addition to

::

a main through line story

::

one one main quest six side

::

quests and and this

::

character if you watch this

::

movie it's like you know

::

what I'm gonna go check out

::

this ghost girlfriend and

::

you're like okay well like

::

what about the main

::

question like I can wait

::

I'm gonna go see if slime

::

if I can get slimer out of my attic

::

Yeah,

::

that's what's happening in this movie.

::

Can we talk about the ghost romance first?

::

Because I keep thinking about it.

::

this movie,

::

like the original pitch for

::

this movie was, okay,

::

Phoebe feels alone and she

::

falls head over heels for, wait for it,

::

a ghost.

::

And they're like, okay,

::

that's a little weird.

::

It's a male ghost, right?

::

They're like, wait a minute, not at all.

::

Because of modern times and

::

being inclusive.

::

And they were like, we're not sure,

::

but we're going to let you keep going.

::

And this whole thing in this

::

movie is like,

::

the tension between the two

::

of them and her pouty fuck

::

lips when the ghost is like

::

telling her like like the

::

ghost is like oh yeah I

::

died in a brooding building

::

and phoebe's like was that

::

weird like what are we like

::

what are we doing

::

This is chess.

::

You're playing chess alone

::

by yourself in the dark in New York City.

::

And by the way,

::

nobody's on that street corner at all.

::

What is happening here?

::

Phoebe confidently went into

::

that park in the middle of

::

the night and said her

::

happy birthday as a 15-year-old.

::

Look, I want to just say this.

::

Phoebe,

::

I appreciate the character of Phoebe,

::

who is, I would say, the lead.

::

She is the lead in the

::

afterlife in this movie.

::

Absolutely.

::

Like we all knew this kid.

::

We all knew this kid in high school.

::

He's a flipping weirdo.

::

not not scared of the same

::

stuff other people are scared of, like,

::

have a conversation to save their life.

::

But like,

::

they're they're like the people

::

that will see like a fire

::

and they're like, Hmm,

::

that's probably something

::

we should take care of.

::

I wonder how that feels.

::

They started doing it.

::

They started Yep.

::

Yep.

::

They like they like try to

::

put their hand in it.

::

Um, that that is Phoebe to me.

::

And that's like, I feel like McKenna Grace,

::

right?

::

I want to get this.

::

Yes.

::

She plays it so well.

::

She plays your kid.

::

So I bought that.

::

I bought her being in New

::

York in the middle of the

::

night playing chess with a

::

ghost and she was not fazed by it.

::

Yes.

::

I think all of that is fine.

::

Here's my thing with Phoebe's character,

::

McKenna Grace.

::

I think McKenna Grace is a great actress.

::

I like what they did with

::

her in Afterlife.

::

I think that they took a

::

step back from where she

::

was in Afterlife in

::

comparison to where they

::

gave us the Pearl Empire.

::

They definitely leaned more

::

into the 15-year-old side

::

as opposed to the

::

15-year-old genius side of things.

::

Because in Afterlife,

::

she was smart as hell.

::

She did not fall for that little kid shit.

::

She was more emotionally

::

mature than the mom.

::

That was the whole...

::

That was kind of like part

::

of the pitch was like she

::

was more advanced.

::

She was more like her

::

granddad than her mom was like.

::

Yeah.

::

And in this one, I don't it seems like.

::

I know that they took the

::

it's the premise is

::

supposed to be they took

::

the thing that Phoebe cared

::

about the most.

::

Yes.

::

And then she didn't have any relatability,

::

but that still didn't feel

::

true based off of the rest

::

of the family dynamics.

::

And that's what's

::

fascinating to me about

::

this movie as a structure

::

because we had afterlife.

::

And the reason that I

::

enjoyed afterlife was it

::

took all these Ghostbuster

::

elements and it put them in

::

a different geographic and

::

emotional space.

::

Right.

::

And it was enjoyable because

::

you got to see Phoebe

::

discover all of this.

::

And if you knew Ghostbusters,

::

you enjoyed her finding

::

these things that you enjoy.

::

If you're new to it,

::

you're on the adventure

::

with her and she figures it out.

::

Right.

::

Like she doesn't really have

::

a ton of help.

::

Like she gets back up at the end,

::

but like she figures it out.

::

She does it.

::

And then in this movie, it's like, okay,

::

we had our fun.

::

We're going back to New York.

::

We're going back to what we know.

::

And it just felt like it

::

took her out of that driver's seat.

::

Literally and metaphorically,

::

to your point, Marcus.

::

I'm just like, hey,

::

this worked really well in

::

the last movie.

::

Well,

::

we're going to just take that away

::

from her.

::

And I love a good I lose my

::

powers type storyline, but...

::

The thing that makes that

::

satisfying is you get to

::

know that character more.

::

And you understand they're

::

more than the thing they care about.

::

Moana's probably the best example of this.

::

But this movie didn't do that.

::

And the other thing is I

::

feel like this was a...

::

We need, we need her to be vulnerable.

::

So she makes a poor choice.

::

And the only way we know how

::

to make her be vulnerable

::

is to take the Ghostbusters

::

away from her.

::

And I was like, but wait a minute.

::

Like she's a teenager.

::

She's already like,

::

there's already some ability to like,

::

she already is.

::

You could have leaned into

::

it a different direction and said, well,

::

She's it's hard for her.

::

We already know it's hard

::

for her to relate to other

::

people because of how smart she is.

::

She feels like she has this

::

thing and she has to be

::

more mature than she is.

::

You could have said you

::

could have had some more

::

screen time with her and the ghost melody,

::

like the ghost romance interest.

::

And that could have played

::

out through dialogue where

::

they started to see like, Oh no,

::

she finally someone has

::

somebody that she can talk

::

to and she relates to and

::

And she starts to have these

::

feelings that maybe make

::

different choices.

::

You didn't need to do the, like,

::

take her away and dumb her down thing.

::

Like,

::

I just didn't think that that was

::

entirely necessary.

::

And it weaves into my other point,

::

which is I also don't

::

really like the way in which they did,

::

like, the redeeming arc for her either.

::

Because the way in which she did – no, no,

::

no.

::

Like the way – not the ghost.

::

The ghost I could do away with.

::

But like Phoebe's character

::

like in general.

::

Sure.

::

The whole movie paints her

::

as like this is misfit child.

::

They called her selfish.

::

They called her a selfish, misfit,

::

poorly understood teenager,

::

which is a trope we get in movies a lot.

::

And as a result,

::

she makes a series of poor

::

decisions and then that

::

teenager at the end gets to

::

redeem themselves.

::

But in this movie,

::

they take that redemption

::

moment away from her and

::

give it to Kumail Nanjiani

::

that's just like, hey,

::

you were kind of here, so fuck,

::

I guess you can do it too.

::

They had two competing

::

redemption arcs and I would

::

have preferred Phoebe

::

to Kamal Nandiani's

::

character and we talked

::

about this in the chat like

::

that's where I was like

::

he's not necessary like you

::

could have introduced him

::

and had him there and had

::

him been the Rick Moranis

::

of it all where like he

::

shows up but he never

::

actually really does anything

::

because I think the

::

redemption arc for Phoebe

::

that I would have preferred to see is,

::

and again,

::

it takes a little bit of like

::

creative writing because

::

she's the one who's like, Oh no, we,

::

we dip our conductors in

::

brass and this fixes itself.

::

And she, the,

::

you could have had this

::

conversation where their

::

proton packs are taken away.

::

They're all back at the firehouse.

::

And she looks at Paul Rudd

::

and she looks at like her

::

mom and she goes, I know I've been off,

::

but please trust me.

::

Like I,

::

I know this is going to work.

::

And they look at her and go like,

::

you're still our daughter.

::

We have faith in you.

::

What do you need us to do?

::

That to me is a bigger

::

payoff at the end of this.

::

Then the, they're, they're trapped.

::

She starts to take care of Garaka.

::

And then out of nowhere,

::

Kamal Nanjiani is like me too.

::

Right.

::

Remember me too.

::

And like, does this fire bending thing.

::

So.

::

Oh, see, I would have gone a different,

::

I think I,

::

I agree with everything you said.

::

I think.

::

Okay, there's two ways to go.

::

My mind is always going to

::

go representation first.

::

I think that that

::

representation from... Oh, my God.

::

I always forget his name.

::

Kamau?

::

Kamau.

::

Nagyani?

::

Nagyani.

::

Kamau Nagyani.

::

I think that I have no problem with him.

::

The way that they introduced

::

him was very half-assed, right?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

In his first introduction

::

after he sails the prison to...

::

Dan Aykroyd.

::

Thank you to Dan Aykroyd.

::

The fire at the hot dog

::

stand is like raising up.

::

And you don't catch that

::

correlation until later that, oh,

::

that's why the hot dog stand.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It had nothing to do with

::

the ball in that moment

::

that they just set up with

::

everything freaking out.

::

It was directly correlated

::

to him and his relation to

::

the fire and his emotions.

::

A very far stretch if you didn't

::

pay attention to what the

::

you know what I mean like

::

you have to just kind of

::

pay attention what was

::

going on yeah I think I

::

appreciate that

::

representation and or I

::

think you can combine the

::

fire master here's my two

::

routes combine the fire

::

master plot line into

::

Phoebe story where she is

::

the fire master like you

::

can do that or you can have

::

Phoebe and his character go

::

on that journey together

::

instead of pairing her with

::

a ghost you get her little bit

::

his character and they both

::

have that redemption arc at

::

the same like

::

simultaneously I'm like yeah

::

I was a loner just like you

::

were this happened to me at

::

this age I still never

::

really figured it out but

::

you still got top so now

::

you have that and I think

::

both of them are funny

::

enough I wouldn't have mind

::

watching this buddy cop or

::

two incomplete people complete each other

::

That's a really good point.

::

And there's throwaway lines

::

that he says because it was

::

his grandmother that had all this stuff.

::

There are throwaway lines where he's like,

::

well,

::

I didn't really know my grandmother

::

or she was really hard on me.

::

There are things that he

::

says in this movie where you're like,

::

oh yeah,

::

those two can relate to each other

::

just fine.

::

It should have been with the

::

brother though, right?

::

Because he has that one moment,

::

it's a one throwaway weird

::

line that he has about, he basically says,

::

I'm the disappointing brother.

::

What happens if you're the

::

brother that doesn't want

::

to go to college and

::

figures things out in a

::

non-conventional way?

::

And the brother says, yes,

::

that makes sense to me too.

::

And they have this connecting moment,

::

but they don't do shit with

::

that relationship or

::

anything else with that line.

::

I mean, they don't,

::

I don't even think they talk.

::

a whole lot now that I'm

::

thinking about it until the

::

end I mean they might trade

::

three or four lines maybe

::

but it's all in service of

::

moving the plot like it's

::

not actually like character

::

development and sex dungeon

::

jokes don't forget oh yeah

::

yeah yeah that okay this is

::

a soundproof room oh yeah

::

is this where your mom got

::

down in the wow would

::

chains be in a sex now it

::

was funny don't get me wrong yeah

::

It was funny, but in the theater I was at,

::

there was a lot of little kids,

::

and I was just like, all right,

::

I'm glad I didn't bring my kids,

::

because that would have

::

been an interesting

::

conversation on the way home.

::

And then I looked, and this is PG-13,

::

so it's like, you knew,

::

but at the same time, I was like,

::

I'm very surprised to see

::

this humor in a Ghostbusters movie.

::

But I think I think you're

::

both right that they have

::

these like similar trajectories.

::

It's almost like it's almost

::

criminal that the two of

::

them didn't bond over it

::

and have that be part of the finale.

::

It's like they it's like

::

they separated them.

::

And instead of cutting one

::

of these stories, they're like, nope,

::

keep them both.

::

keep them both,

::

and we'll just do both of

::

their stories with all

::

these people standing around.

::

Bring the Firemaster,

::

and this is my last thing on this one,

::

bring the Firemaster,

::

introduce him sooner,

::

bring him to the firehouse sooner,

::

and have him just staying

::

at the firehouse while they

::

are all trying to, like...

::

You can still do the Slimer shit.

::

You can still do all of these things,

::

but now he's in the same

::

space interacting.

::

I think that it was a waste

::

of time having Melody the

::

Ghost be a point of trickery.

::

Because it could have been any...

::

I know she wants to lean on

::

somebody to rely to.

::

I would have preferred it to

::

be the unconventional

::

character and not the

::

random ass ghost that

::

didn't get any more backstory.

::

Here's the thing with the

::

writing is that the melody, the ghost,

::

they've tied everything to her,

::

whether they want to or not.

::

If I'm looking at the script

::

and I'm looking at the story, you have...

::

You have to make that work.

::

You have to make that either not universal,

::

but you have to make it

::

engaging enough that it,

::

that it powers the story.

::

And it feels like I'm just, I mean,

::

and I can't prove this, but it,

::

I've seen enough movies to

::

know that I'm seeing half

::

of a story and something

::

got cut here because we

::

have enough of the

::

relationship being built.

::

By the way,

::

these are really well directed

::

and acted scenes, but,

::

between the actresses,

::

McKenna Grace and the

::

actress who plays Melody,

::

Emily Allen Lind.

::

They're great scenes.

::

They're great emotional and

::

connective scenes.

::

The chemistry?

::

The chemistry is off the charts.

::

It's clearly, to me,

::

a romantic relationship.

::

There was a kiss at the end

::

of this movie that was cut.

::

There was a moment because...

::

It was so fucking set up.

::

Because she was like, oh,

::

then how do you touch the chess pieces?

::

And she's like, well, I don't know.

::

I guess there are things if

::

I want to touch it, I can.

::

And that was the line.

::

And that's when I was like, oh,

::

so they're going to kiss later?

::

The minute I knew it.

::

And then she was like, well,

::

I'll see you on the other side.

::

And then she just dissipates.

::

But you can see that Phoebe

::

takes a step forward and

::

then they cut and they make

::

the CGI thing dissolve.

::

It does...

::

No,

::

it does feel like some execs got cold

::

feet of having two girls kiss.

::

They most certainly did.

::

It's disappointing because

::

that is what ties the story

::

together of trying to find

::

belonging and you just cut

::

out that emotional piece of it.

::

So no wonder the rest of

::

this movie just kind of

::

feels out of place because

::

that's the core emotional element of it.

::

Something changed.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah, that too.

::

And I, so I thought Kumail's role,

::

I kind of want to put a, I just,

::

I want to put this end cap

::

on the fire master stuff.

::

I thought it was just a cameo.

::

I did not understand.

::

He was like part of the main

::

cast until like,

::

until I would say

::

embarrassingly into the

::

third act where I was like,

::

Oh, no, he's like part of the finale.

::

Like he he has to figure this out.

::

So it's and the other thing about it, too,

::

is like they're trying to

::

shoehorn his firemaster

::

training in while still

::

having like Phoebe go to jail.

::

And we're also finding

::

Slimer and then Dan

::

Aykroyd's running around a

::

library like all at the same time.

::

And it's just kind of like, oh, okay.

::

All right,

::

so you're going to be a fire

::

master who were like

::

ancient Ghostbusters.

::

Which, by the way, as a concept,

::

I'm totally fine with it.

::

I thought that was super fun.

::

Here's the other throwaway piece.

::

I didn't realize she was in... Sorry.

::

McKenna Grace is 17, number one.

::

And the young lady who plays Melody is 21.

::

Didn't realize McKenna Grace

::

was in Gifted.

::

I didn't realize she was in

::

a lot of stuff.

::

Ready Player One.

::

Captain Marvel.

::

She was in Mr. Church.

::

I've watched a lot of these

::

movies and did not realize

::

that she was in this and

::

all of this stuff.

::

So shout out to McKenna Grace.

::

Before Doug moves on,

::

I think it's a waste of a character.

::

And I understand things

::

change behind the scenes.

::

I think that the actress that plays Melody,

::

I would be upset.

::

Because looking at the

::

things that she's in,

::

this is not a slouch of an

::

actress by any means.

::

So if I,

::

maybe I put in a lot to this and

::

you got me walking around

::

and go CGI for like a good

::

majority of this movie,

::

walking around on fire.

::

And then you cut what feels

::

like you cut a majority of

::

it or didn't really know

::

how to make us connect.

::

Yeah,

::

maybe maybe nothing got cut and maybe

::

they just didn't know how

::

to like rap or put a bow on

::

this story and complete.

::

I just think that that's weird.

::

Sorry.

::

Yeah, I don't want to.

::

I think the other.

::

I think there are other

::

aspects of this like random.

::

assortment of side quests

::

that I think just

::

discombobulate themselves a little bit.

::

The other one that I think

::

is a little weird is the

::

amount of pressure they put

::

on the Possessor as a ghost.

::

Dan Aykroyd talks about that

::

thing like it is going to

::

steal everything.

::

He talks about that as a level 5 mutant.

::

We all need to be...

::

level threat detected, like terrified of.

::

And so I, I just, I think it was,

::

I think the problem is,

::

is they made this thing out to be like,

::

they did the class,

::

they did the bait and

::

switch comedy maneuver.

::

They said, Oh, that thing is going to be,

::

that thing will change.

::

It would make it really, that's,

::

you should be really scared of that one.

::

And then it was predominantly comic relief,

::

except for the part with the,

::

except for the part with the

::

lion because that was

::

legitimately like a

::

supposed to be a scary

::

moment the the part where

::

the possessor possesses the

::

car wasn't long enough yes

::

for me to be truly scared

::

of it it just was like oh

::

so he possessed the car

::

thing it's like they were

::

sort of like oh now you

::

start to get like right

::

when we started to

::

understand how scary that

::

ghost could be right on

::

Um,

::

so one thing I think I would have

::

appreciated that kind of

::

would have added to that,

::

but also sort of maybe developed the, uh,

::

the, um,

::

melodies stuff a little bit more is, um,

::

this idea of like introduce

::

those two as your hook at the beginning.

::

Yeah.

::

Because I think what would

::

have could have been really

::

cool is maybe the possessor

::

was the one that actually

::

started the fire that she

::

felt guilty for.

::

And that's the part where

::

the fire department that we

::

fall in love with shows up

::

to put out the fire.

::

Yeah.

::

And then you introduce them

::

when Pat Noswalt is telling the story of

::

at the you know what I mean

::

like interesting I would

::

have I would have cut

::

things around a little bit

::

and maybe like shuffled it

::

because again I think that

::

that that for me would have

::

been like a oh shit that

::

was the person from the

::

beginning who was

::

describing the diner yeah

::

we saw that happen and

::

especially since she's such

::

a linchpin for a lot of

::

this movie yeah that makes

::

a ton of sense to me so

::

Let me say this.

::

So like the main plot of the movie,

::

I think is fine.

::

Like Phoebe is caught by the

::

city being an underage

::

minor working for the

::

Ghostbusters and she's got

::

to figure stuff out.

::

Yep.

::

And that premise does sound

::

interesting to me.

::

Unfortunately,

::

what this movie felt like

::

was it either a jump to the

::

gun or B when they signed

::

up the original Ghostbusters crew,

::

it's like everybody had

::

screen time requirements.

::

is what it feels like and I

::

again I can't prove it but

::

this movie feels prove it

::

but no there's no way I'll

::

be able to prove just like

::

doug ain't supposed to be

::

in that locker room but I'm

::

not supposed to be there no

::

it's absolutely not but

::

like it just feels like

::

everybody needed a certain

::

amount of screen time like

::

dan akroyd needed a certain

::

amount of screen time so

::

they put feet like they put

::

phoebe's character with him

::

to do all this stuff it's

::

not necessary though

::

Same thing with like Bill

::

Murray's character.

::

He had to have a certain amount of X, Y,

::

Z times that he was doing

::

stuff to fill that quota.

::

I almost rolled my eyes when

::

he showed up at the firehouse like that.

::

That was so jarring for him

::

to show up at the firehouse

::

at the end of the movie.

::

And it's fine.

::

Like I love a good Bill Murray reference.

::

yeah like I love a good hero

::

entrance but it was so

::

jarring because they were

::

ratcheting up the tension

::

that I was like hey I'm

::

Bill Murray sarcastic joke

::

here and I was like okay so

::

that was that was

::

contracted for you to do

::

that okay that's fine

::

that's fine I'll pay that

::

price but like I mean

::

honestly like it just you

::

could tell there was just a

::

lot of competing priorities

::

in this movie oh god great great and

::

the original cast,

::

I'm not going to say they're a problem.

::

It was really fun to see them.

::

Especially Ernie Hudson.

::

That man does not age.

::

He does not look a day over.

::

Winston's not a more.

::

I want to know what he's lifting.

::

All I'm trying to say is

::

putting in those original

::

characters plus this story

::

is what really threw me for a loop.

::

Okay,

::

here's my questions I have for

::

Ghostbuster pro, Doug Wagner.

::

And Brian,

::

I know that also you love

::

Ghostbusters too.

::

No, Doug is the pro here.

::

Bustin' makes him feel good.

::

Bustin' makes him feel great.

::

It's just two questions, really.

::

The point you made about the

::

ghost and having these

::

special abilities and

::

everything like that,

::

I think this one goes back

::

to the video game portion, right?

::

Of like, if I could, in a video game,

::

capture the possessor,

::

and learn how to use him and

::

then I could get him to

::

possess a car and drive it

::

for us to some capacity.

::

You know what I mean?

::

That's something that you

::

just have in your arsenal

::

of people to use.

::

In the original Ghostbusters,

::

as a fan of it,

::

Ghost with these specific

::

abilities and things like that,

::

is that something that

::

is important to the story or

::

is something that was like

::

in the story originally?

::

What was the main focus of

::

Ghostbusters originally?

::

Is it the team?

::

Is it the ghost?

::

Is it like, what is it?

::

So for the original the

::

original Ghostbusters,

::

and I would even say like

::

ostensibly for the second

::

one a little bit.

::

The first one, especially, though,

::

was sort of like it was

::

sort of like the

::

fascination of the 80s of

::

like the afterlife was kind

::

of a question.

::

I mean,

::

that's when Patrick Swayze did Ghost.

::

That's when there was that's

::

when there were a lot of

::

movies like Poltergeist

::

where there were just

::

stories about ghosts.

::

And so I think this was

::

really just to sort of say like, yeah,

::

what if there were ghosts?

::

But then also,

::

what if there was a team of

::

folks that you could call and feel it?

::

And knowing Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd,

::

who wrote the original,

::

knowing them and their kind

::

of their comedic brain, they went, yeah,

::

what if it's like a roach

::

guy that you can call and

::

you call the Ghostbusters?

::

And just like the pest,

::

like the exterminator,

::

we are the ghost exterminators.

::

And even if you watch the original,

::

that first episode,

::

That first commercial that

::

she's watching in her

::

apartment where they're saying,

::

we're ready to believe you.

::

That looks like an old

::

school 80s pest control commercial.

::

Don't invite your pests to dinner.

::

Call the bug man.

::

We'll come by and zap your bugs for you.

::

So that's the whole feeling of it.

::

There really wasn't a need to say...

::

This ghost has certain powers.

::

This certain powers now

::

towards the end with the

::

way goes or works.

::

And as they start to unpack some,

::

and this is the part of it

::

that I always really liked

::

is the part where they were

::

establishing the war, like where,

::

you know, Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd,

::

when they explain like, Oh no,

::

these are these two,

::

the key master and the

::

gatekeeper are agents of

::

goes or goes or did this in

::

ancient Sumeria in, you know,

::

the 1600s like that to me,

::

I loved like that sort of

::

like world that they built around it.

::

Like, oh, no,

::

that is that's kind of creepy and eerie.

::

And what if that was in New York?

::

But those aren't really powers.

::

Those are backstory,

::

like historical pieces,

::

much like Garaka sort of is.

::

So when they start to say

::

like this ghost has the

::

ability to possess folks and this ghost,

::

like I don't really, it doesn't bother me,

::

but I can see why for a modern audience,

::

they would want to know, well,

::

are there all, all ghosts the same?

::

Does this ghost do something

::

different than this ghost?

::

I could see how a modern

::

audience might need a

::

little bit more exposition

::

because I think a modern

::

audience is going to be like, okay,

::

great ghosts,

::

but do they do anything or

::

are they just ghosts?

::

Like they need a little bit more exposure.

::

And then just the other ones.

::

And correct me if I'm wrong,

::

but Ghostbusters has never

::

been big on like the rules they set out.

::

It's just like,

::

look at these four funny

::

guys and they're going to go.

::

They're going to go take care of.

::

That was my next question.

::

Yeah.

::

Oh, there's no I mean,

::

there's really there's really no rules.

::

I mean, they already sort of like,

::

to be honest with you.

::

I was expecting... So Phoebe

::

asks Dan Aykroyd in this movie, she goes,

::

I need to ask you something.

::

And I thought,

::

so if you remember the

::

original Ghostbusters,

::

Dan Aykroyd is the only one

::

of the original four

::

Ghostbusters to have a

::

romantic interaction with a ghost.

::

Because there is a sequence

::

when the Ghostbusters first

::

start where a ghost

::

unbuckles his belt while he

::

is sleeping at the...

::

Unbuckles his belt while he

::

is sleeping at the

::

firehouse and then he makes the like

::

oh god face that people make

::

and that's it and then they

::

move on and so I expected

::

because at this point in

::

time I established in my

::

brain that this was a

::

romantic interaction I

::

expected Phoebe to be like

::

have you ever been in love

::

with a ghost like I expected

::

some level of conversation

::

around have you ever made

::

contact with a ghost or

::

have you ever had a

::

conversation in a

::

relationship with a ghost

::

and dan akroyd making some

::

sort of tongue and cheek

::

sort of joke to be like not

::

one that I can tell someone

::

who's 16 but yeah kind of

::

like I feel like he could

::

have made some sort of like

::

a you're too young to be

::

like a talk style comedic

::

moment where he could be

::

like you know well when a

::

ghost and a man love each other like

::

he could have done something

::

really funny around that.

::

That's what I expected there

::

to be the reference back for it.

::

But to answer your question, no,

::

there's never really been rules.

::

Now they try to establish

::

their best shot at rules

::

and things folks need to follow.

::

to when they start talking

::

about positively charged

::

slime energy and negatively

::

charged slime energy.

::

And that is the closest

::

thing that they ever got to

::

rules before they got that.

::

Even don't cross the streams.

::

Spangler says at the beginning, he goes,

::

it would be bad.

::

imagine every particle in

::

your body exploding at a

::

million miles an hour is

::

what they talk about if

::

they cross the streams

::

because then Bill Murray

::

has this note where he's like, okay,

::

good note, safety reasons.

::

Thanks for the update, Egon.

::

He has that moment,

::

but at the end of the movie,

::

how do they beat Gozer?

::

They cross the streams.

::

So that's even that.

::

So yeah.

::

yeah cool I don't have uh

::

you kind of answered my

::

second question that was a

::

rabbit hole that I'm sorry

::

I went down no no no that

::

was yeah it's necessary for

::

this movie because I feel

::

like I feel like our tone

::

has been like this movie is

::

doing weird stuff but like

::

It is enjoyable,

::

but I feel like it needs to

::

be said that this movie is

::

going to be enjoyed by

::

people who are already

::

bought into the

::

Ghostbusters universe and

::

it explores different

::

corners of that universe or

::

people who are just like,

::

I don't need a ton of rules.

::

I don't need a bunch of lore.

::

I just I want to see people

::

doing fun things,

::

having a great time and see

::

things I'm not going to see

::

on my living room couch.

::

This is your movie.

::

If you're looking for that

::

Star Wars or Star Trek type

::

bulletproof lore adding onto the story,

::

this is not you.

::

Because it's all vibes and it's great.

::

It does enough where this

::

movie tries to get you to

::

rethink how you looked at

::

Almost in sort of the same

::

way that Afterlife did.

::

It's trying to look at you,

::

force you to look at things

::

that you like about the

::

original in a different light.

::

And my best example of that

::

is Phoebe has a line that

::

she says to her mom after

::

she's been told that she's

::

not allowed to be a Ghostbuster.

::

Phoebe looks at her mom and she goes...

::

if any, all, all other things considered,

::

you'd be the secretary taking our calls.

::

And that's when, you know,

::

that's when he has to have

::

his dad moment.

::

He goes, don't talk to her like that.

::

Yeah.

::

But then what they do is

::

because everybody just

::

assumed that Janine Melnitz

::

was the person that they took,

::

that just takes the calls

::

and sent them on missions.

::

Who's the one strapping a proton, uh,

::

brass knuckle to her hand

::

yep janine is so it's like

::

a it's almost trying to say

::

like you can't it's trying

::

to make a dig at the way

::

people maybe viewed her and

::

then at the end going like

::

you never underestimate

::

even the like if you're a

::

ghostbuster whether you're

::

taking the calls or going

::

out and busting the ghosts

::

you're a ghostbuster you're

::

a bastard exactly you're a

::

ghostbuster yeah you're a badass so like

::

I think it tried to do that

::

and it was just kind of

::

clumsy because there was so

::

much other shit going on.

::

I agree.

::

I mean, that felt like... So,

::

I'm shocked and I know I'm

::

talking about bigger narrative stuff,

::

but I am very shocked they

::

got the remaining original cast back.

::

I would assume that would

::

have been for the third

::

movie in this franchise.

::

Like...

::

But it just I was so

::

surprised they were all

::

there and it pushed out other characters.

::

We talked about this a little bit,

::

but like Lucky was a pretty

::

significant character in the afterlife.

::

And she is the main love interest.

::

she she is put in a role of

::

like I work at the

::

institute I'm also here and

::

like I just I kind of

::

podcast podcast podcast is

::

absolutely shoved aside

::

back burner yeah like so

::

like celeste o'connor just

::

she seems really talented

::

but there's no room for her

::

in this movie and they try

::

to put her in and it just

::

it doesn't work because we

::

got to make sure we get

::

bill bill murray's joke in

::

Also,

::

we have to introduce British guy at

::

the Institute.

::

I don't know if we ever got

::

a name for him.

::

But I thought it was really

::

strange they made a whole

::

new character when I'm like,

::

you have at least nine characters here.

::

surely someone else could

::

have popped into that role

::

to at least reduce and

::

compress some of the storylines.

::

Arguably, it should have been podcast.

::

Yes.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

::

The technology expert,

::

because what is he

::

introducing people to right off the rip?

::

It's haunted by this CD

::

player is possessed by a...

::

by a spin masters cd what

::

better moment for the audio

::

visual character you

::

introduced into afterlife

::

to be the one to explain

::

that because you have lucky

::

there already right you

::

know oh my gosh yeah the

::

same from the same place

::

same city same movie you

::

have them you have them

::

both they did too much with

::

too little time and I think

::

that's the biggest part of like

::

this whole thing and uh

::

brian I had a question for

::

you that I was gonna oh the

::

reason why I think that you

::

have to bring in the cast

::

now and this is very sad is

::

because you don't know how

::

much longer you will have

::

between movies yeah and I

::

think that age I think what

::

they did with this movie of

::

part of the reasoning for

::

this movie outside of the

::

sequels and building the universe

::

You have the original team

::

as much as you can, right?

::

You have everybody who is

::

still alive and still here.

::

Boom.

::

That's your original Ghostbusters group.

::

Then you have the new Ghostbusters group.

::

Okay, cool.

::

Outside of the two Ghostbuster groups,

::

you now have the Firemaster

::

who is now in...

::

in a video game,

::

an ally to my Ghostbusters team,

::

who I can call in at the

::

last minute when I need it.

::

Press up on the D-pad,

::

and then Kumail comes out

::

and shoots fire.

::

There's a special skin that

::

if you complete all of his

::

side missions on perfect,

::

you get to unlock

::

the uh yeah the armor

::

traditional fire master

::

armor I think that that

::

makes sense to me but you

::

have to get them in now

::

because if you don't do it

::

now you may not get the

::

third movie or if you even

::

get greenlit for the third

::

movie right because what

::

direction does this shit go

::

that's my question that's

::

the credit sequence I was

::

like what the fuck am I

::

supposed to do with that

::

I mean, to me it seems, okay,

::

to me it seems very clear

::

that Ghost Corps wants to

::

build out this universe a la like Marvel.

::

Like Marvel's influence is

::

everywhere in this movie

::

because it gives it a certain gravitas,

::

like especially with the dad sequence.

::

I don't feel like you get

::

that unless you have your Iron Man.

::

Like, right,

::

because Iron Man blended those

::

two genres really well when

::

they made Iron Man.

::

And I feel like that popped

::

up in a lot of Marvel movies.

::

And like,

::

I think that's the other thing

::

that took me off guard with

::

the Ghostbusters movie was like,

::

I'm ready for like a silly time,

::

like afterlife.

::

It was trying to do something new,

::

but I'm here for a silly time.

::

And like, you would go straight from like,

::

you know, the stranger thing,

::

Wolfhard guy trying to get Slimer.

::

And then it was like,

::

my family died in a house fire.

::

And you're like, okay, all right.

::

So like, we're just,

::

we're doing all the tones here.

::

But to me,

::

Paul Rudd is the most Paul

::

Rudd's like what he's

::

supposed to be doing.

::

He is by far one of the most

::

puzzling characters in this

::

movie because he'll have a

::

moment where he is making a

::

joke about the old

::

Ghostbusters song in a conversation.

::

Then 10 minutes later,

::

the next time you see him,

::

he is scolding Phoebe as if

::

he were her dad.

::

And it is a moment.

::

Like it is a bro.

::

You are fucking everywhere.

::

Like he was fine.

::

No, no, no.

::

He was great.

::

I just think like to

::

highlight Brian's point of like,

::

you're flipping switches too quickly.

::

Like you're,

::

I thought he made the most

::

sense to me as a character.

::

I had no issue with him.

::

And I think it's because he

::

is the audience.

::

of like where in this he's

::

not their dad he's not the

::

leader of the group he's

::

not the smart he's the guy

::

that we bought from

::

oklahoma and he's now

::

randomly in new york in the

::

middle of this fucking

::

story goes back to last

::

week we had two parents

::

that said that they did not

::

watch ghostbusters

::

afterlife yeah watching this movie

::

Now,

::

imagine these two motherfuckers going

::

in there and watching this

::

movie raw dogging it with

::

no past context into anything.

::

That would be rough.

::

That'd be really rough.

::

Because and they don't

::

really reiterate anything.

::

No.

::

From that movie.

::

But there is a connection of

::

like if Paul Rudd dropped

::

that line of I'm the

::

teacher from Oklahoma that

::

was studying blah, blah, blah.

::

Yeah.

::

And y'all bought me here.

::

Why the fuck is this?

::

I don't understand that as

::

somebody who didn't watch the preview.

::

So I feel like he is the

::

audience and that made

::

sense and was the connection for me.

::

Paul Rudd does kind of fill

::

this role of like this

::

adult that grew up with the

::

Ghostbusters and they're like,

::

I'm in the firehouse.

::

Like,

::

this is awesome.

::

And like enjoying and living

::

vicariously through that experience.

::

And that's good too.

::

Honestly,

::

this movie just feels like it was

::

wanting to build out this

::

universe so we can have

::

other stories and other pockets of it.

::

Like,

::

I won't be surprised at all if they

::

don't do like a formal sequel to this,

::

or if they do like, Hey,

::

we're doing ghostbusters.

::

Like,

::

The kids edition.

::

If they do the research,

::

like if they just do the

::

research section or if they just do.

::

I'm thrown off.

::

I'm thrown off track here by

::

one of our comments.

::

My mom wants to know, can ghost raw dog?

::

And I don't know.

::

I don't know.

::

I don't know how ghosts feel.

::

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.

::

Yeah, thank you.

::

Thanks, though, for the solid answer.

::

I'm going to assume that.

::

Oh, okay.

::

And I'm not going to elaborate.

::

I'm just going to answer her question.

::

But if they're on the same

::

dimensional plane, then...

::

Look, this predicates itself on.

::

Can you get pregnant by a ghost?

::

And I would say no.

::

It's not.

::

It is still raw dogging.

::

But is it raw?

::

Because only flesh is raw.

::

Ghosts aren't flesh.

::

Well, and here's the other question.

::

Now it's just dogging.

::

Two ghosts just dogging.

::

Ghost dogging.

::

Ghost dogging.

::

Isn't raw dogging,

::

isn't that phrase

::

established based on the

::

fact that it's a lack or an

::

absence of a provolactic, right?

::

That is the phrase.

::

Because in 1924,

::

that was the original

::

creation of the phrase raw

::

dogging was the absence of

::

the rubber or any type of

::

material between person to person.

::

So I would say because it's

::

not person to person,

::

it's ghost to person.

::

Right.

::

There cannot be a raw dog situation.

::

So it's just dogging.

::

It's just dogging.

::

Got it.

::

We figured it out.

::

You all figured it out.

::

I just I just said, I mean,

::

I was going to ask the

::

question because here's

::

where I almost got hung up.

::

Is there a thing as ghost ejaculate?

::

And I would say, no, there isn't.

::

Because there is with Slimer.

::

But.

::

That's slime, that's not ejaculate.

::

Ejaculate is a way to pass

::

on genetic material,

::

and that's not what Slimer's doing.

::

He's not passing that genetic material on.

::

Some would say in the 1940s

::

article- There is no genetic material.

::

Right,

::

but some would say that throwing up

::

contains genetic material.

::

That's a fair point.

::

And if genetic materials can

::

be on the little boy every

::

time Slimer went through his body, then-

::

Now I have a lot of problems

::

with this conversation.

::

Now?

::

Now.

::

Right now.

::

He was 18 years old.

::

He's an adult.

::

Oh, he was a man.

::

He did reiterate that

::

throughout the entire movie.

::

He did.

::

Fun fact, that character shows up,

::

I feel like, in the first act,

::

and then he's just gone.

::

He's gone until the finale.

::

The Stranger Things set was

::

right across the street.

::

He was like, hey guys,

::

Stranger Things is filming.

::

I gotta go.

::

Bye.

::

Is he the one that's beefing

::

with the rest of the

::

Stranger Things cast?

::

I don't know.

::

I have not kept up on that.

::

I'm not going to bring it up here.

::

I'll tell you off of air why

::

I think he's beefing.

::

But yeah,

::

he disappears and then comes back.

::

But no, this movie very much felt like,

::

look at all the places we

::

could go as Ghostbusters.

::

And that's where I feel like the...

::

the future movies,

::

they're going to be in

::

these little pockets,

::

whether it's research,

::

whether it's catching the,

::

like the ghost that got out,

::

whether it's going back to Oklahoma,

::

whether like, there's just, it feels very,

::

it feels very like Harry Potter,

::

like pick your, pick your,

::

pick your expertise.

::

Like, yeah.

::

Are you going to be an auror

::

or are you going to be a potions master?

::

That's what this is.

::

This is the New Jersey team.

::

It's Brian, Doug, Marcus,

::

and insert one of it.

::

It's Roman Myers.

::

It's those four people.

::

We are going to be the four

::

team that's based in this

::

region and area.

::

It's going to expand the

::

team because here's the thing.

::

The movie ends with the

::

ghost being released all over.

::

Some of us gotta go catch

::

those motherfuckers and it

::

ain't the old folk and it

::

ain't just the new folk.

::

No.

::

That was the other thing.

::

They intentionally were like,

::

all the ghosts are gone.

::

I wonder what's gonna happen.

::

You could introduce a new

::

team if you wanted and

::

people could go with it.

::

That's to me what this movie was setting.

::

I would gladly hold down the

::

Midwest division of the Ghostbusters.

::

Oh, that'd be amazing.

::

What type of ghosts?

::

Are they racist ghosts?

::

There's got to be some of them.

::

We're going to have to get KKK ghosts.

::

I'm not a fan.

::

We're going to have to get

::

John Little involved

::

because I have a feeling

::

given this state's history,

::

there's going to be a lot

::

of angry Native American ghosts.

::

That's going to be nasty.

::

Honestly, let them haunt the people.

::

At this point in time, it's their land.

::

Let them do what they want.

::

At least in the afterlife.

::

I'm minding my own black ass business.

::

Alright.

::

When you open up that

::

Ghostbusters franchise in South Dakota,

::

it's really more like, nah,

::

we don't do that.

::

Hi, Ghostbusters,

::

there's an ominous drumming

::

coming from my basement.

::

Hey, motherfucker, it's their land.

::

Call somebody else.

::

Click.

::

It's us encouraging the ghost?

::

Yeah, I don't know what to do.

::

Yeah, we gave them the drum.

::

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

::

Click.

::

Only non-problematic.

::

I like the phrase ominous drumming.

::

Yeah.

::

And we gave them the drum.

::

Ominous drumming.

::

That's the title.

::

Ominous drumming.

::

That's it.

::

Oh, man.

::

I was going to be

::

ghost-dogging for a second there.

::

Yeah, it was close.

::

It was about to be ghost-dogging.

::

I'm glad we came up with something else.

::

Brian was digging deep to

::

find an additional, a different title.

::

Brian felt every muscle in his ass cheeks,

::

like, clench up.

::

He was like, ooh.

::

That is uncomfortable.

::

It didn't feel right.

::

It just didn't feel right.

::

Gentlemen,

::

anything else that you all want

::

to say about Ghostbusters?

::

Anything else that we didn't talk about?

::

And then I have one final question.

::

We didn't talk about a lot,

::

but I don't think we can cover all of it.

::

But anything else you all

::

really wanted to hit on?

::

I do want to say,

::

and I want to reiterate one

::

of Brian's points.

::

I know that we've been

::

talking about these

::

different pieces of this movie,

::

but it is still a good movie.

::

Mm-hmm.

::

It's enjoyable.

::

I personally like the way

::

that they executed

::

Afterlife more because I

::

think it says a lot about

::

bringing a franchise back

::

in the way that they did it.

::

I like the cast and characters.

::

The only problem I really

::

had not a problem with, but I was like,

::

why are you here?

::

Is the mom who was the least mom?

::

Yeah,

::

they didn't know what to do with her.

::

They didn't know how to write her.

::

They had no idea.

::

It was her and it was like

::

her in Afterlife.

::

It was the mom and Paul Rudd.

::

And then eventually they

::

just go more Paul Rudd, more Phoebe.

::

Yes.

::

The son and the mom are down here.

::

And it's kind of like it's very weird.

::

Somebody on a soundboard like push Paul up,

::

push Phoebe up.

::

That's exactly what happened.

::

So that's weird.

::

But I did enjoy the movie.

::

I think it's good.

::

I think it'll be better on streaming.

::

There are a lot of things

::

that were in the trailer

::

that got cut that I recognized,

::

like Lucky Freezing, seeing Lucky Freeze.

::

I think they exchanged that

::

with either Phoebe or they

::

just cut that scene altogether.

::

There's a lot of things I

::

think that got switched around,

::

and I don't know why.

::

I think that they were

::

really reluctant to kill anyone off.

::

it felt like because that

::

was like oh I was like oh

::

she's gonna die oh I

::

thought Dan Aykroyd was

::

gonna die I thought he was

::

talking about death so much

::

he has like so there was a

::

lot of it that I was like

::

they they were like if one

::

of the original three we

::

can't kill off one of the

::

original three because we

::

already did that like

::

ghost piece with him in the last one.

::

And we can't kill off one of

::

the kids because we might

::

need them later.

::

So they were really, I think,

::

very hesitant.

::

The mom and the brother are

::

interchangeable in my eyes.

::

They could or could not come back,

::

but they seem like the type to be like,

::

I don't want to do that anymore.

::

I'm going off and doing different things.

::

Okay, cool.

::

You keep Paul, Ruth, and Phoebe.

::

Find a different two to replace.

::

You keep them.

::

Get rid of podcasts.

::

And then you have the

::

original four on standby.

::

That's kind of where I'm at.

::

they're your phone a friend

::

they're your people in the

::

chair for various reasons I

::

i also like to your point

::

marcus I was so thrown by

::

the mom that I wasn't even

::

sure that her and paul rudd

::

were still married yes for

::

a majority of this I was

::

like did they get married

::

are they just dating like

::

what like what's going on

::

here because like they're

::

talking to each other like

::

I would talk to like a

::

roommate like not yeah not

::

not like my my spouse or

::

it's I agree it's so weird I agree

::

I think they were just gaming.

::

Paul Rudd has this throwaway

::

line where he was like,

::

that was two years ago.

::

Oklahoma, where he was like,

::

that was two years ago.

::

You were like, oh, okay, cool.

::

So what does that mean for us now?

::

I'm your daddy.

::

I don't know.

::

The last thing I'll say

::

about this movie... Of all

::

things that broke you out,

::

that was the one that did it?

::

That is kind of funny.

::

That always throws me off.

::

Someone who's like, call me daddy.

::

I'm like, please don't.

::

Who's saying that to you?

::

Brian, hold your point.

::

Let's go to you up top.

::

No one's saying it to me,

::

but when someone's like, ooh,

::

I have a dad kink, I'm like,

::

don't tell me that.

::

Who's saying that to you?

::

No one!

::

If they did...

::

I would be uncomfortable.

::

Who's opening up about a dead king to you?

::

No one.

::

Some guy I met in Starbucks.

::

Is this Oscar?

::

It's Oscar again.

::

Oscar again.

::

Not only is he our angel

::

investor slash sugar daddy,

::

he's got a dad thing.

::

He's your angel investor, your sugar daddy,

::

and he's got a daddy thing.

::

But it benefits the podcast.

::

Whatever.

::

We don't judge you for that.

::

We don't care.

::

You do what you want.

::

We love you regardless.

::

Dads provide.

::

Dads protect.

::

If that's one of your kinks, rock on.

::

Eternal protection is what they call it.

::

There you go.

::

You did it.

::

I don't like it.

::

You're fine.

::

You can just tell this movie

::

learned a lot.

::

I'm going to yuck that yum.

::

You're going to yuck it.

::

You can tell this movie

::

learned a lot from all the

::

legacy sequels and reboot

::

wheels because Jurassic World,

::

the last one that came out, Dominion,

::

I can't remember what it was,

::

where they brought back the

::

original cast.

::

Yeah.

::

that was bad.

::

Like,

::

and it definitely felt like they

::

looked at that.

::

They're like, well,

::

we're not going to do that.

::

So we're going to do

::

something in the middle,

::

kind of like what star Wars did of like,

::

Oh, the original characters are around,

::

but they're not like driving anything.

::

Yeah.

::

And they kind of made it their own.

::

Which is weird.

::

This is one of the better

::

examples of a legacy sequel,

::

even though it was a little

::

bit all over the place.

::

But the point is, if you like Ghostbusters,

::

you'll like this movie.

::

Which is, I think,

::

what their goal was here.

::

We should start making merch.

::

Because I want Rebootquill

::

to be on the shirt.

::

Because I feel like we come

::

up with these phrases that

::

just are like...

::

That's true.

::

I think that I love that

::

word because that's exactly

::

what these movies are.

::

I don't know how else to explain.

::

It's not a reboot.

::

It's not a sequel because it is the third.

::

You know what I mean?

::

It's a reboot, Quill.

::

It really is.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

Like, I had a lot of fun with it,

::

as much as I kind of, like,

::

talked about all the things

::

that bugged me and all the

::

different side quest-y type stuff.

::

Because that's way more fun.

::

To everybody's point,

::

to everybody's point thus far,

::

this was a fun movie to watch.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

And especially as someone

::

who is an avid Ghostbusters fan,

::

I didn't have a lot of issue with it.

::

It feels very similar to me.

::

Like, if you watch Ghostbusters 2,

::

that one kind of makes you

::

kind of ask a lot of questions of,

::

like...

::

they're doing a lot in this.

::

And so this definitely feels

::

kind of similar to that one of like,

::

they're doing a lot in this one.

::

Um, so yeah, there's, yeah.

::

But, uh, gentlemen,

::

anything else about the

::

movie or shall we pivot on

::

over into what do you all have to plug?

::

I want to talk about the

::

schedule a little bit.

::

Let's do it.

::

Next week on the podcast,

::

this week we did our

::

Ghostbusters Frozen Empire

::

review and our Elite Eight bracket.

::

April the 10th episode on that Wednesday,

::

if you don't catch us here

::

earlier with the live stream,

::

which you can catch us every week,

::

Monday at 8 p.m.

::

on Facebook and YouTube.

::

We will do a news episode

::

next week and the Final

::

Four bracket and

::

championship round will be happening.

::

And then the week after that,

::

we will be getting into our

::

Civil War review.

::

And this does not include

::

our bonus episode of Patreon,

::

where we will be reviewing a movie.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

Doug's selection.

::

Yeah, Doug needs to figure that out.

::

I have a couple.

::

I have to narrow it down.

::

I'm kind of going back and

::

forth between...

::

For those that don't know,

::

you can always join our

::

Patreon right now.

::

At any moment,

::

you can join the Patreon and

::

be a producer.

::

We'll give you a shout out, insert a quote,

::

whatever it is you want to do.

::

We have all reviewed movies

::

that have been a major part

::

of our growing ups and

::

experiences and our movie love.

::

We did Brian, we did myself,

::

and Doug is the last piece of that.

::

That's the schedule.

::

Stay tuned.

::

Stay locked in with us.

::

Absolutely.

::

Absolutely.

::

Brian, what do you have to plug this week?

::

Hey, folks, go check out the Etsy shop.

::

Color me confetti.

::

Go to Etsy dot com and put

::

in that search bar.

::

Color me confetti.

::

That is my wife's printable

::

decoration shop.

::

Go get it.

::

Go get a decoration.

::

You got an event coming up.

::

You don't want to go out.

::

You just go to that site.

::

You print out your decorations.

::

Easy, simple and time saving.

::

So go to color me confetti on Etsy.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

You always want to make sure

::

you follow the mantra, never offend it,

::

always humble.

::

Go stream yourself some new

::

music from Soul Tide coming

::

out here soon.

::

New song, Link,

::

is going to be out very soon.

::

S-O-U-L-T-Y-E.

::

Go stream some music from Marcus Destin.

::

I'm working on my next

::

project as we speak.

::

Also, another Monday playlist, number 13,

::

is out right now.

::

You can hit the link in my

::

bio on all of my socials,

::

at Marcus J. Destin.

::

Hit the link in the bio.

::

Those are curated playlists

::

created every single Monday

::

curated for you to just hit play.

::

And so enjoy that.

::

But above anything else,

::

make sure you follow the mantra.

::

Never offended.

::

Always humble.

::

Absolutely.

::

If you are feeling like you

::

enjoyed this conversation,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

That is what I have to plug.

::

And that is what I'm asking.

::

It is the best way to

::

support not just this podcast,

::

but any podcast you love is

::

sharing us with a friend or

::

a family member,

::

telling us the telling them,

::

Hey,

::

I'm listening to something really cool.

::

I think you should check it out.

::

And so, yeah, that's what I'm asking for.

::

In addition to all the great

::

things Marcus talked about,

::

about our uncoupling schedule.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have a three-step process to success.

::

Brian, what is that first step?

::

Hey, folks,

::

I'm here to tell you to read a book.

::

Do you want to be an interesting person?

::

Yeah, of course you do.

::

Read a book.

::

That's it.

::

No.

::

You don't want to be an

::

interesting person?

::

Yes, you do.

::

Read a book.

::

I am all set.

::

Our second step is, look, drink some water,

::

y'all.

::

It's important to stay hydrated.

::

April showers don't just

::

bring May flowers.

::

April showers bring water,

::

and water helps you grow.

::

So make sure that you drink some water.

::

It's important.

::

And treat yourself to the nice water.

::

A bubbler is a nice water.

::

I would count that,

::

because there ain't other...

::

I don't know what Marcus said.

::

Something about there not

::

being another one like you.

::

Some Voss, a Fiji, one of those.

::

But enjoy yourself some water.

::

Marcus, lay us down with that third step.

::

I just want to make sure you wash your ass,

::

please.

::

I know we're coming into April.

::

It's still a little chilly outside,

::

but the summer is coming.

::

You know the best way to

::

prep yourself is start

::

drinking water right now.

::

Whatever you've been

::

drinking and holding in all

::

winter is going to leak out

::

through your pores and your asshole.

::

So make sure that you are washing your ass,

::

get new towels.

::

Now's the time for spring cleaning.

::

Go to Walmart.

::

They got a deal right now.

::

Get you a bundle of big

::

towels and little towels and face towels.

::

But wash your ass.

::

Sometimes also,

::

in addition to washing your ass,

::

sometimes that's enough.

::

The hair in your ass also holds odor.

::

So, you know, sometimes you got to shampoo,

::

shave, whatever it is you got to do.

::

If it ain't cutting it and

::

your ass still stink, shave the hairs.

::

That's what's holding all that odor in.

::

Wash your ass.

::

There you have it.

::

Shave the hairs.

::

There you have it.

::

You heard it here first.

::

Shave the hairs.

::

That does it for this week's

::

episode of Films of Black and White.

::

We'll be back next week with

::

another outstanding episode.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

Shave the hairs!

::

What's going to happen to your ass stink?

::

I mean,

::

it's just holding all that damn odor.

::

All the stink.

::

Why are you shaking your heart?

::

What the?

::

What?

::

No, that's a one-hit stream bot.

::

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