Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer open the mailbag to respond to some listener feedback. Meanwhile on B5, Brad Dourif Eyes himself guest stars as a monk with a horrifying past he can't remember in Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 4, Passing Through Gethsemane.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Hello, and welcome to who are you?

We're a Babybel on five watch cast by a couple of strangers.

Now, friends who are getting to know each other over one of their favorite

shows from their childhood Babylon five.

I'm Laura.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And I'm sure

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And today we have something different.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, we're gonna do some fewer male.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: It's mail bag time.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Some of these letters came in

before the season to recap.

And some of it is people who have found our podcast and are catching up.

So most of these are actually about old episodes of ours.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: But going back to season one,

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It's most of the stuff I have.

So we'll go ahead and get into Uh, we have a letter from John.

About our episode believers, our episode, aren't believers that in the

episode of Babylon five believers,

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I'm dying to know.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: John says, thanks for a

perspective on the episode.

I'd never heard before.

Expanding on the interpretation that it's good odds.

The parents were right.

We know that souls exist in the Babylon five universe.

Thanks to soul hunter.

We know souls can be contained and escape from a container as a vapor like

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: When Franklin cuts the child,

we see vapor escape along with a similar sound of the one.

When he Dylan frees the souls.

Even if you don't accept that interpretation.

We can assume that Franklin doesn't know everything about the on teen.

It could be part of the neurological apparatus that creates

consciousness, involves the platter.

And that kid is now a zombie.

Let's see, loved the that's some colonizer shit from Joe fair,

enjoying the show a lot, John.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, that takes me back.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: yeah.

A hundred percent.

Franklin did not know everything about the on team.

That was the main problem is that he refused to do the research.

He would've known before he even brought it up.

If he had just.

Read the fucking file.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, that's.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: of just being an arrogant jackass.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I think that's Franklin's main.

flaw in.

These early episodes of his right.

That he feels like he knows everything.

It's his problem these aliens?

It's his problem with his dad as he feels morally superior to his dad a little It's

his Problem with ladies sometimes like,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, I think

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And honestly it's his addiction is

also very much stemmed from that.

It's not a problem because I would know if it was a problem.

It's my job to know it's when it's a problem and diagnose it and others.

So I obviously will know when it's a problem.

And it's not a problem because I say so.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, that is a good point.

And that brings it up to current episodes.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, it's a thorough

line for his character.

Throughout the show really?

It really is for a long time.

I think.

After the without too much spoilers after the addiction storyline.

Comes to a

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, we're gonna have

some humble pie introduced.

I think.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, for sure.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: All right.

Well, thanks for your letter, John.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: We've got a, another little

quick one here from Patrick.

Patrick asks.

So if someone, just any random person, not necessarily me, but someone wanted

to represent the hosts of the show with a fictional character in meme

format for no particular reason.

Who would you prefer to be stand-ins for the house?

Laura I'm thinking perhaps Kermit for Laura.

And Imperial Komisar fridge fare.

But that's just because I was looking at those sorts of names.

Uh, I assume we're talking about Kermit sipping tea for Laura here.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Uh, yeah.

I was like, there's a couple of Kermit, right.

There's also like dark Kermit where.

Yeah.

it's got the hood on.

I do like Kermit sipping tea.

That's that would be very flattering.

I would feel very honored to be that Kermit.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Imperial commissar I know is 40 K and I know that I play 40 K but I'm not familiar

with the meme, but I'm probably just old.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: uh,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So I will defer to the judgment

of our audience and the meme making community in our discord.

I tr I trust you to uh, use appropriate memes.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I would have to Google that Imperial com.

Sorry, I don't recognize that off the top of my head.

It's probably one of

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: the image.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: when

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Like I have the image in my head.

I just don't know what the like joke with that particular meme is.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Interesting.

Interesting.

I, I would be most honored by whatever our meme community came up with.

I think that's adorable.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Is it.

It's deeply concerned.

Commissar

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: You wanna pop that over to me?

Can you send that to me in discord?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, I sure can.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: That's that's, that's kind of close.

He's got the big bushy eyebrows.

His nose is of a similar profile.

Mine's got a little.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I've seen you do this with your hands

when we are talking about serious stuff.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: That's I do do the thing

I to do that thing.

That's fair.

That is a mannerism of

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I'll have to post like a Kermit

and this on our Facebook, so people know what we're talking about.

Make myself a note to do that for this episode.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: All right.

Well, there, we've got the official word go for it.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Do your best or, or worst.

Patrick.

We look forward to it.

Okay.

So I also had a question from uh, symbolic Godzilla in our discord.

This is a very lighthearted question.

I need you to think seriously about it for a second.

Jare

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Okay.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Symbolic Godzilla asks.

Now that as of season two review, you are both over a level 50 podcast hosts

with a year of continuous podcast adventures and a power level, over 10,000.

What do you cross class into?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I, well, I think it's safe to say

I cross class into podcasting.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I think I am a chaotic good three,

five pallet in a freedom personally.

That is, that is the vibe that I try to maintain in my life.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: the pallet in of freedom

is a Paladin of an ideal.

Compared to a.

Re deity of some variety.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And so the pellet and of

freedom has dedicated themselves to exactly that freedom.

Which is something I feel.

Very strongly about I don't think that's a surprise for anyone.

Who's heard me go on one of my political rants.

I feel like that's all pretty well aligned.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Or if you had happened to be

like listening to us before we started recording this episode?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

You know, it's, it's a, freedom's a big deal.

That's why I like things like universal healthcare because.

The freedom to.

The ability to pursue the use and enjoyment of your freedom.

Is just as important as having

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

That's the life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness, right.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: For sure.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Well, I think.

For me, podcasting was a bit of a cross class, right.

This was the new adventure.

But.

I'm really thinking about this for my next year.

Like there were, at that time of the year.

I don't know.

I don't remember what day this comes out, but that we're all thinking about

new year's resolutions and stuff.

So I am definitely thinking about my next thing.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

This episode I think is going to come In December.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

Yeah.

So it's very timely.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: quick.

Let's see.

Yeah.

This episode comes out December 7th.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

So everybody's probably thinking about their next thing too.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I don't, I don't know

what I'm gonna do yet.

I I like your um, alignment that you gave yourself as chaotic.

Good.

I, gosh, I'm probably stuck at lawful good.

I just can't help myself.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Lawful good is an important alignment.

I just think the laws are stupid.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I aspire to chaos, but

I am not able to do it.

It's just against who I am my nature, I guess.

But.

Yeah, I don't, I don't know what I'm gonna cross class into next, but I'm definitely

gonna be thinking about it and it's gonna be on my little like mental post-it board.

What's your cross class?

What are you doing?

So, thanks for giving me something to Think about.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It's.

I mean, it's a good way of thinking about it.

Addressing it that way as to like things that I'm looking forward to

doing or things that I want to be Yeah.

I mean, I've got, I've got a December to do list.

I I spent four hours today.

Setting up my wood shop in my garage.

I haven't had my wood shop since I moved.

I've had a couple of tools out here and there, but I, it has not

been organized or set up or well

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: so I installed a ton of drop lighting in

my garage today in the wood shop area.

And I cleaned up about half the garage, got all tools on tables and stuff.

And.

Got my nails and screws, all organized for future.

Use that kind of

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So probably probably

some more woodworking.

I got a couple.

Cutting boards.

I want to make, I've seen some cool designs.

I need to go buy some scrap wood.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

That'll be fun.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: All right.

Well, we have one more letter.

This letter comes from Matt.

Lauren fair.

So you folks are the only ones who I know, who appreciate the joke.

I didn't quite explain the context.

Well enough to my wife, who hasn't seen the show.

But during an outing, she had asked me to put her sunglasses in

one of my several pockets because she didn't bring her purse.

She said that men's clothing has enough pockets to constitute a purse.

And our, I applied that where she carries her purse on her shoulder.

I carry my purse in my pants and jacket.

It was a bit of a bad bit moment.

Maybe I just don't have as much charisma as Jakarta.

And Talan.

Anyway, I continue to love the show.

I had to share my chuckles and thought others might also get a kick out of them.

Matt.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I'm always down to hear a joke.

listeners, if you wanna email your, your jokes and your memes

too, If you're not in the discord.

Do it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Shoot us an email with those jokes and memes.

Also a moment of outrage for the lack of pockets on women's clothing.

I don't understand.

I don't understand.

I don't even like, even with the, some of the pockets I've seen on women's clothing.

Is just a joke like, oh, you got a pocket you can Three nickels in there and

it's all like what about a cell phone?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Where is the utility?

Like it drives me insane.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Well, and think about like you,

you dudes that have your purse within your pants and jacket.

You can distribute that weight of whatever you're carrying

pretty evenly over your body.

A purse, unless you're doing a cross body purse is hanging from one shoulder,

messing up your posture in your alignment.

It's horrible.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It's terrible and

completely unfair to And.

It literally drives me bonkers.

Like if I were to.

Be a more skilled.

Seems to Taylor Seamster, whatever the

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Sure.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: term there is.

And also not have to worry about like having a day job.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I feel like out of spite, I would

spend my time designing functional utilitarian women's clothing.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I would love that.

I would love that.

Although I, you know, I have seen some dudes who have some pretty

gnarly, thick wallets that they keep in their pants and y'all are

also throwing off your alignment.

Every time you sit down, my friends.

So be careful if your wallet's super thick, maybe move that

baby to the front pocket.

When you sit down, just look it out for you guys.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I don't understand the use of back pockets

for anything besides receipts and trash.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: If I would not be willing to put

it on a chair and then sit on it.

It is not going in my back pocket.

I don't understand the logic.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: there are many people who I

know are doing it the other way.

It's so weird.

So weird.

All

right, well that's great.

Mail bag time.

Are you ready to get into an

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: We have.

An episode ahead of

us.

And I, I mean, I don't mean that in the, obviously in the clearly rhetorical sense.

Yes.

We have an episode ahead of us, but this episode ahead of us.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Hmm.

I'm ready to talk about this episode.

We've got season three, episode four.

Passing through jus enemy.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Hey, Laura, real quick off the top.

Did you catch your directed this episode?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I didn't cuz I'm a loser.

Tell me.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Adam Nimoy.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, my gosh, really.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, wow.

Well, that seems to be an indicator of quality here.

very

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: JMS when talking about this episode.

Before it's released describes it, his, his take on doing an

episode of the Twilight zone.

Also this episode almost didn't happen.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, really what happened to it?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So back in season two was the

original plan to do this episode.

Where it was going to be some of the monks coming to the station before.

The big group of monks that arrive in season three to kind

of like establish that they were going to be showing up later.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay, set the set the tone.

Sure.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, it's going to be like

an early season, two episode.

But after the quality of mercy EHRs

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: in season one, someone on use

net was all like, wait, this is how they get rid of criminals.

Wouldn't it be crazy if there was like someone on the station who was a mind

wipe criminal and just had no idea.

And then like a Taliban brought out those memories or something

and made them go crazy.

What a crazy episode of Babylon five that would be in JMS is

sitting here like mother fucker.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: That would be good.

God Damnit

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Well, he had already planned

it.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, Oh, okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: That's he had already, like, this was

already part of the planned episode arc.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Uh, So he's saying you guessed my shit.

You blew up my spot.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So he postpones the episode.

Over the course of the next year.

Starts talking to this person who had suggested this plot on use net

flies out, meets with them in person, apparently gets them to sign paperwork.

Like a nondisclosure or whatever, in an affidavit of some variety.

That's of the lines of, I won't Sue John Michael Lynskey or Babylon five and all

this shit for doing the episode that I in public suggested that they do beforehand.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Uh, This explains a lot

about Jay Michael's Twitter.

By the way.

Because

he's

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: this thing signed.

Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And he, he gets this thing signed.

Brings it on home.

The paperwork clears the lawyers and the episode gets the okay for season three.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: That's a lot of work.

That explains why he is so adamant on his Twitter.

That do not suggest anything to me.

He he will block people who suggest

things,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Oh, yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And I get it now.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yep.

That's why.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: He's had, he's obviously

had an experience.

Well, I'm glad that it did get made.

Even if it took all that work.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I mean, I think it was worth it.

And I think he would agree.

Because he's only said good things about how this episode came

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah, I hope that.

that used Net fan, Appreciated.

What came of that idea, even if it wasn't.

His originally.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, well, I mean, It ideas

can exist in multiple places.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: For

sure.

So we open on a chess match.

Between captain Sheridan and brother Theo.

And we have Ava and a brother we haven't met yet.

Watching.

Yeah, brother Edward We know this actor very well.

Don't we, if we've been watching our star treks.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: This is Brad dura.

Who is.

Very famously typecast.

I feel like as a serial killer in the

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: that's a very creepy person, at least.

Right.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

So I didn't find much about him guest starring on the youth net.

But in the season guide.

There was a ton of stuff from multiple of the series regulars

who were just like bread.

Turf is a master of his craft.

Whenever you're acting with him, it elevates you.

It's like when you're playing in a jazz band and there are musicians

around you who are so skilled that they elevate the entire group.

That is what it is like acting with bread, dearth.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Uh, that's very nice, very complimentary.

I have to say, I think.

You know of the few things I've seen Brad din, I'm not gonna Say that I've seen a

lot of his work cuz I probably haven't, but this is probably like the nicest role.

When you think about it.

Yeah.

The character in the past.

We find out, did some horrific things.

But this person doesn't seem to be the same person.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Well, he's not.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: yeah, so this is actually a very.

Nice role.

And you feel a lot of empathy for this character?

I think most people do anyway.

But anyway, so.

Sheridan's.

Big dogging Theo.

He says that he's got him trapped.

But Theo is very confident and speaks on his faith.

And whoops, checkmate.

Yeah.

Sheridan was a too busy being.

Confident about his moves and not paying attention to the actual board.

And.

As they're wrapping this up, Yvanova gets a message that

ambassador Kosh is coming back.

He's been out.

And he wants to meet her in the mysterious bay 13.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

When we see the ship dock Kosh walks out from behind Ivanova.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

.He's apparently just chilling in the bay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: he's he was, he wasn't on the ship.

They just didn't know he wasn't on the station.

Apparently.

The ship was gone.

They thought he was on it.

He wasn't.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: But outlooks Lita who is

returned to Babylon five.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, she's back.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Liter recalls her journey

to the Varroa on Homeworld.

And kind of explains her role as cautious aids slash diplomatic attached.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

She basically just camped outside to war lawn space until they had to pick her up.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, we hear a harrowing story

about how terrible they treated her.

Um, that is not

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: They let her sit out in this pod for days.

I think she says five days, In a life pod that they, they basically left her there.

with her air running out.

She's sending signals like actual ship signals telepathic signals.

And finally, they, they picked her up and She's not allowed to talk about

what she saw on the war on home world.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: After this, we see brother Edward

negotiating, some work for the monks and they black rose falls out of his bag.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

,Nothing sinister about a black rose ever.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Nope.

Completely normal flour.

Garibaldi is watching the news as Dylan comes in and we see

the results of a murder trial.

Someone is sentenced to death of personality.

What a crazy random happenstance that we have this note in

this episode at this time.

Just in time for delenda ask.

Hey, what is that depth of personality?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I wonder if this'll be important later.

Can you explain this to me?

Garibaldi?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Gar Baldi is very.

I I can't tell if he, I think he

thinks

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: shouted a cab at the TV.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, he's he doesn't think

this is enough justice.

It's the implication.

Right?

He thinks that.

Killing the person's mind.

Isn't enough.

We've got to kill their body too.

I guess, maybe.

He wants the electric chair back.

Doesn't he?

Didn't he say that something about the electric chair specifically,

which I believe at, at this time in history, we'd already figured

out that that was kind of inhumane.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Well, he always talked about spacing.

All of the lurkers in down below.

So Not exactly a beacon of compassion.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: No.

No, he's very black and white.

Isn't he?

And, he makes comments about.

He wants an eye for an eye.

And he wants the Harabi justice.

Isn't that?

Where that came.

They teach us in history anyway, that it came from the

code of

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Robbie's code.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Whether or not it actually came from there.

I'm not gonna espouse on that, but I remember that's what I was taught.

It's not necessarily right.

And comments that you would leave all of society, toothless and blind then?

Huh?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, that's some Gandhi.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

He misses the point entirely though.

He, uh, says, but only the bad people ignoring the fact that

we're all bad people sometimes.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Dr.

Franklin uh, is doing the work up on Lita and notes that she

is now in perfect health, even better than she was before she

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

. .Not suspicious

at all.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: As a Durham gets back to his quarters to

find death walks among you on the wall.

Which is not the boondock saints poster.

He had put up in his dorm room before he had left.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I, I wonder what kind of

artwork these monks would get to have in their cells, right.

Shouldn't they have like some icons or.

some something religious industry.

I don't know.

He doesn't, he doesn't get anything

though,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I did find it interesting

that he has his own room.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: yeah.

Isn't that

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: these monks are like famously

very poor and constantly looking for work to pay for their rooms.

I figured they'd be bunking up.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And I think that's a thing in

monastic life often is that, you know, you're sharing spaces constantly.

And.

Yeah, but maybe you get your own cells, I guess they call 'em, But.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Well, okay.

But he's got a sinister message on his wall and he is very upset.

He brings Garabaldi back going straight to Garabaldi, not

wanting to freak anyone else out.

But the message is gone it's just disappeared.

It's sort of like Sheridan's monster that he attacked.

It just disappeared back in season two.

So Garabaldi is a a nice dude and promises to look into it.

cuz he's dealt with these kind of people before.

And they get him somewhere else to go in the meantime.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Londo runs into Lita and basically

does his best Dzhokhar impression from the pilot minus the sex.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Right.

This is a big flip flop, Isn't it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Well, it's here to show us how much lead has changed.

Is what I feel, what this real, the scene is really there for,

because it is very similar to that.

Like, Hey, I'm going to push you around for something that I want

because your just some random telepath and I'm an important ambassador.

And I'm going to be shitty about it.

I'm going to be real shitty about it.

And in the pilot, Lido was like upset, but not, I will burn you to the fucking

ground, which is how she tells Alondo.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

She's had enough, especially when he trots out his well, I couldn't

report you to Cycore threat.

That he knows that they want her back.

And She's not having any of it.

She's gonna give him nightmares.

You know what you would think that lawn would've learned some

lesson from the techno age episode?

on this.

About

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Oh, I know hasn't learned

any lessons recently.

That's kind of his emo at the moment.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, that's lawn's whole deal.

Isn't

it?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Dylan meets with brother Edward

to interview them about religion.

Lanier explains that the mean Bari believed that the soul is the puppet.

One makes with the shadow in the flashlight at the slumber party.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

it's just a reflection of something else.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: So I guess a reflection of the divine.

Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah, we were all part of the universe broken apart, trying to understand itself.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Which is cool.

That sounds, that sounds fun.

That sounds like you want to give everyone

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

sounds very Carl Sagan.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Scott Adams wrote a book about that

in the early nineties, actually.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Really?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah about Religion.

Uh, uh, We're all just part of God's consciousness broken apart,

and we're God trying to understand.

Himself.

And the whole thing.

Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I don't know if that reconciles with, with uh, Scott Adams

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Scott album's history.

Yeah.

Scott Adams, I don't, this was, this would have been in like the

late nineties, maybe early 2000.

The book is called God's debris.

I remember reading it when I was young.

And thought Delbert was funny, but that was before my brain was fully developed.

So.

He can't really hold it against me.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I think maybe Dilbert was

funny back then maybe.

On occasion.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: nineties.

Yeah.

Quite possibly.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I don't know about now.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: That definitely not recently any Dilbert

I've seen in the last long time was not funny, but it's done now anyways, so.

Dylan asks Edward about Christianity and ask for the

moment that is the emotional core.

Of the belief.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Good question.

Many people have many different answers to this, but his, I

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah, he talks about Christ than the night before crucifixion.

And having the courage to stay and knowing what was waiting

and making the active choice.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Not to reject the cup.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he makes it personal because he tells her that he's not sure.

That if he would've been that person.

Which, you know, Christ was supposed to be.

Deity, if you, depending on which.

Christian track you follow he's like part of the three or, know, It's all theology.

It's all hard for me to understand.

But he's taken it to a personal lesson and and he wonders if he could

have been that kind of person, if he was put in that sort of situation.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So on his way out of their quarters,

brother, Edward ass about Valan and Dulla near becomes a 11 year old, who is just

to ask about his favorite video game.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yes.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: He's very excited to talk about failing.

And notes.

We get the line the men Bari, not born of minbar.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

,That's gonna

be important.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It is important.

I found an interesting use net note here.

About what the prevailing theory Availon was at this time, or at the very least a

common Was that veiling was a viral on.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, I mean, I could see that

being

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: the season two finale.

Yeah.

We see, we see him as a angel thing.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

And she never put a name on that?

Right.

Like the others said, we saw Dral, and Jaar saw Nan by name.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I don't remember,

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: don't, I don't think she put a name on it.

I don't think she said I saw vain or I saw.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Oh, she definitely didn't say I saw Valan.

But you know, the seed that Sorry, not born of memoir in cosh.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: is interesting and that is something

that I had never considered.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Me

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: was just something.

That I'd never thought about before, but that's in very interesting thought.

And I thought it was cool and it made me think about it a bit.

So I figured I'd throw it out here.

No spoilers.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: that line.

Just.

Went over my head when I was a kid.

Like, you know how adults, adults say weird things sometimes.

Then you just kind of.

Definitely for me, it went there and it wasn't until later

in the series that I got it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, and I mean, I only

watched Babylon five on TNT.

So when they picked it up and they moved it over and it was on like every day.

So I was shotgun in this show as a kid, I was, it was as close as you could get

to binge watching pre streaming is like one or two episodes a day, every day,

leading up to the premier of season five.

And I was making that.

Almost every day.

I did actually find out on my most recent watch through two years ago now.

Before right before we started this pod or a year and a half ago.

I actually missed a very crucial episode.

Of the show that I only saw for the first time.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: On

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: In the last yeah.

And in the 2020s.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: That's crazy.

Yeah, So brother Edward leaves, delin and linear and heads back to

brown sector where the monks live.

And he bumps into a sonari Kind of shoulders into him accidentally.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: The make a real point

of showing us the sky.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: They do like, it's one of

those moments that in a show you're like this isn't just a.

This is important.

And immediately afterwards, he starts to hear like sounds of scuffle.

Someone very upset.

And he sees the message.

Again, he sees that death walks among you message.

Appearing to be written in blood on just like a, a hallway.

then he starts to see things.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, we get a very new,

large kind of dream sequence.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Almost.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And he's got a a dead

woman That he turns over.

He like stumbles into this body and she's got that black rose in her mouth.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: We see him holding a knife,

a pruning, a black rose.

As well.

Edward and Theo talk.

And then when Theo leaves Edward ass bang for some search results and Bing's all

like, I don't know, Microsoft owns me.

It's going to take you four hours.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I laughed at this part.

I was like, this is a pretty quick Google, but okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Right.

Like I could Google this very quickly, but that's fine for hours.

It

is.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: we'll wait.

Brother Theo comes to.

To check on him.

And you can tell brother Theo.

Has some suspicions.

here.

He's he.

It seems to me that he didn't know.

And I was surprised that he didn't know.

To me, it would make more sense for them to.

Be told.

But,

you know, who knows?

But he feels like.

This person could be one of these dead personalities.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, he's just, he's not sure.

And they say they run background checks when you apply for the job, but they

don't actually run the background checks.

They just want you to be able to agree to one.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

This, This monastery is, you know, not uh, super secret location.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It's a nonprofit.

They don't have the funds to just run background checks on every applicant.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I

get it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Garibaldi finds Edward and tells

him that the blood wasn't And he

goes, why would a guilty conscious show up on a lab report?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: That's a good line.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It is.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: He mentions that he dropped his bag.

in the hallway and it had it had the recordings in it.

That he was making with Dylan and Lan, and So he needs that back.

And Garabaldi says, you know, he'll, he'll try to get it back.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Meanwhile, Bing finally gets

back to brother Edward and it's like, yo, you're a serial killer.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm.

Yeah, this seems like a big flaw in the program.

Doesn't

it?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Like it would know who was asking.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

It seems like.

that The monks or at least, you know, like brother Theo should have been informed.

So he could.

Kind of guide brother Edward away from Google.

Or something It it's a big connected world out there and all

of these dead personalities could.

Very easily.

Find out who they were.

Right.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: You would think?

Yeah, it's weird.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

So he was, he was Charles

Dexter apparently.

And that was The black rose was his calling card.

We were told he's a serial killer.

Do we, they tell us how many.

Victims he had or types of victims.

I don't

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Uh, a bunch and I think

he only killed women.

Is the implication of align later in the episode.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: It's very parallel with

our Jack the ripper story.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yes.

Yes.

I'm actually, Beth walked in and watched a little bit of this episode

was like, oh, is he Jack the ripper?

Is this that episode?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I

mean, good guess

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: It's interesting.

The parallels in that.

Because of what the Vons did with Jack the ripper versus what we as

humans did with Charles Dexter.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Interesting.

so

garabaldi and Sheridan.

Have also found out That brother Edward is Charles Dexter.

The whole story about how he gets there is kind of strange.

It's not like he was placed by an agency.

It sounds

like.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

shortly after his mind wipe, he was put in like a halfway house thing or something.

It was just kind of like transitioned to having a new personality.

It sounded like.

And then that place burned down.

And he was presumed dead and somehow made it out and ended up at this monastery.

And for me, This is the thing that doesn't make sense.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: this is one part that doesn't work to me.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Because if everyone thought.

Even like if the official records were all, like this person was

placed into witness protection and then burned down and died.

Right.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: What are all the families doing?

Hunting this guy?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Right, right.

Uh, is the implication that the families burned the halfways

house down, that they figured out where he was and they burned it

down and

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I did not think of that.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: But how did they, how did they

find out he's still alive?

I don't know that part.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, maybe they did it from a distance

and watched them escape or something.

I

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, and then kept pursuing him.

It is a weird logical leap.

I liked my, like my initial understanding of this episode was that he had been

placed with the monks by the agency.

or, you know, whatever agency does this and that, that's how he

got traced eventually and found.

And.

I, I don't know.

I guess I like the, the idea of the agency.

Going out there and finding.

Work, you know, they're supposed to be finding work and a monastery

is a place where, you know, they're accepting all comers and they can work.

And.

I liked the idea of them just placing people in this.

in these different monasteries and different organizations and stuff.

I don't know.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: No, that totally made sense to me.

This is the thing that ruined that's the only bad thing I have

to say about this episode to say something that was in my rating.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I I liked the way I remembered it a little

bit better than the way it actually was.

Moving

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Anyways Edward locks

himself up, basically.

And Theo finds him, but can't physically reach him.

And he's struggling with reconciling his past and his present.

How can he repent for what he doesn't know he did?

How can this be more humane than the death penalty?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: It's a very good question.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I mean, this shows making a serial killer, be a very sympathetic character.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Which is weird.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: It's a weird place to be because, you

know, we, we know that he did these horrible things, but he didn't know.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: he thought that he

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: he's a

different person.

He's quite literally a different person.

It's a real ship of Theseus you know, like if you've completely erased

someone's personality and their memories and given them an entire new life.

You know, they are a different person.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: He is a very different

person because his old self.

Wouldn't have felt remorse.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Right.

So they basically wiped out whatever it was in that personality that

didn't feel remorse and gave it a conscience and gave it remorse.

And.

it's, It's the same physical form, right?

I mean, he's still all the same atoms organs and blood vessels.

But he is not the same person.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And the the people that are pursuing him,

they really want justice on his body.

Not seeing that.

Justice was already done with that mind like that mind is gone.

That mind is no longer in the world.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: But they don't care.

Justice.

Wasn't complete.

Uh, Before that we do get a little bit about Garibaldi running

in and finding Edwards bag.

And some of the stuff he overheard was piped in through the PA.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, it wasn't in his head.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Someone is actively doing this to him.

Which is what we find out in the next scene, as the families of his victims

are surrounding Has hooded figures.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And uh, he knows what's

waiting for him at this point.

And he waits.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

He waits in his own

garden.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yup.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

So one of the things they figured out when they found the bag was that.

Something is being done to torture him.

And they know that the only thing that can break a mind wipe is a telepath.

Right?

I think brother Edward had mentioned he bumped into a sonari.

So immediately they're like, oh, Sonari, telepath.

And they start looking for this person.

They find a sonari.

telepath.

He's kind of an asshole.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: He's more than kind of an asshole.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I didn't know that other racist telepaths just walked around.

on the station.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It depends on their society's

rules for their telepaths.

We've seen Telepaths too.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Have we seen him just on the station yet.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, there's a little bit about them where they're just called to service and.

The Len, I think when, and that episode with the runaway telepath, I thought

DLN reduced her to a memory telepath.

And

that

episode.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: know.

I don't remember the,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I don't know, maybe.

Maybe it should just talked about them enough,

my

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I know, I know we talked about

them in that episode, probably we talked about Mbar and I think we

talked about sonari a little bit.

I found that interesting.

That other racist telepaths are just walking around.

On the station just fine.

But human telepaths have to be in syco and they have to be monitored and they're

in danger if They're running away like.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: there's some some big, double

standard thing going on.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, well, I mean, that's, that's, Sycor.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: But we know why St.

Hers like that from our book club.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: We do, if you didn't listen to

book club, go listen to book club.

But yeah, I, I think.

That it's interesting that they don't bring up in this

conversation with the telepath.

That you know, they, they talk about breaking a mind.

Wipe as illegal.

you Know, Earth and Sonari are to be.

buddies right now, And you kind of violated a big earth law.

I think that's a problem, right?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I would think so.

Uh, But.

This guy just does not care because they won't be able to pin them on it.

Because Uh, who their, what are they going to get them in?

Bari?

Telepath is and tardy Telepath.

Isn't going to fuck with me.

They've been borrowing are going to fuck with me and your human telepaths.

Can't fuck with me.

So.

Eat shit, Sheridan.

And then they're like, okay, well, we're going to throw a bag over your head.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

We happen to have the one telepath in the sector who is not beholden to Cycore

and uh,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And she violates him.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: She does.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: She just gets in there, gets what

he wants and he passes out from it.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

. At first, you know, is he dead, but she tells us he's not dead.

He's just

unconscious.

He's gonna be fine.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: We've seen so many, telepaths talk

about the deep scan and the hurt and the suffering that it causes.

We have so much lip service paid to that and to see her just running.

And violate the centaury telepaths mind like that.

It is very concerning.

Like I'm worried about Leda.

Right

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: She has no qualms about

committing an assault.

You know, I when um, Talia, we kind of used her to accomplish something in

this sort of manner against her will.

Right.

In an episode, back in season two.

We uh, put her in the same hallway as somebody in order to get some information.

And Talia was very upset.

About being used that way.

Lida does not mind being used in this way at all.

She's.

Very uh, businesslike about doing this violence.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Oh, sure.

I gotcha.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, Let me turn the screws.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It is not okay.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

And she doesn't know brother Theo.

She doesn't have any relationship with him.

She's just doing a favor for her buddies.

So we find out that they've taken him to brown 42.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Or he is in brown 42.

And.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Security rushes down.

And we find him suspended his arms In Babylon five second best sex dungeon.

Let's play slick clean.

It's got lots of equipment.

Like this is a big improvement over with Jack.

The ripper was hiding.

Hmm.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I think this was supposed to be a church.

because like when, when he was waiting there, he was like

kneeling at a little altar.

And I think there was like some church.

Stuff

around it.

Maybe,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: This is a different

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: it in.

Oh,

okay.

He's

in a

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: because that room was

kind of like brownish.

This room is a little bit cleaner and.

Not as drab.

This room is like a little bit brighter colored.

I

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

So they took him somewhere else to do the murder.

Well,

okay.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And this strung him up.

He is, he is holding his Eli.

He is done up to be like he has been crucified.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, it is

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: imagery.

Isn't

it?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: yeah, it's not on accident.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, they they did this on purpose.

He's been beaten to death.

I I presume you know, his face is bloodied, probably internal bleeding.

He's still alive enough to recognize brother Theo, After they get him down.

It seems like, and I, I don't actually, I'm not actually Catholic,

so I don't actually know the last rights, but it almost seems like

he kind of asks for the last rights

without, without,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: totally last rights.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, this is a very last rights moment.

If this, these aren't the exact, like

last rights.

And brother Theo.

Sees him off with dignity.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, we get the last rates to commercial.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

And he at least gets to tell brother Theo that now he knows

he, he would've had the courage.

to stay in, get SOE and not.

Leave and.

that's that's nice.

He at least gets that

. Fulfillment.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: imagine?

Because we don't get this in the streaming era.

That Babylon five stinger right after this happens.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Big emotional moment.

Quiet Babble on five.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And then, you know, a Folgers commercial

or something like it's, it's crazy to me that this is the commercial break.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: How we used to watch TV is very

interesting to think about isn't it.

Cause I certainly don't watch it like that anymore.

I don't watch anything on a network.

So instead we get to watch YouTube and they interrupt us

in the middle of a sentence.

It's fine.

But we come back from commercial.

And I guess Lea has been out and about again and now she's back.

because Ava, is welcoming her back.

and

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: she's gone for two weeks.

There's a little bit of a time jump.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Okay.

Yes, we do have a little, little tiny time jump.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, we get some exposition from Ivanova

that the trial of the murder of Edward.

Has already occurred and finished.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Very fast, two weeks.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Two weeks.

Can you imagine a trial in two weeks?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Well, he just admitted his guilt

and they've just moved on.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I think even when people admit guilt these days, it's not

that fast.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: won't let you for stuff.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Even smaller stuff like a.

I won't name any names here, but I had a friend get a DUI.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: and the friend was like, I don't

know how this is going to work.

They're probably going to take my license away immediately.

I figure.

Cause I got a DUI.

So can you drive me to the courthouse and like, hang out and take me home in

case I'm not able to drive myself home.

And I'm like, logistically, I don't think that's going to happen, but

emotionally I will be there for

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And you know, judge called them up

and he pled guilty and the judge refused to accept his guilty plea.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Fascinating.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Just outright was like, this is your first

offense, this thing, this thing, this thing, get yourself a lawyer for this.

And we'll see, I'll see you again in two months.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: okay.

Yeah.

I mean, I feel like there's legitimate.

Justice-y reasons that judges would delay things like that.

So I to, I totally get It

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Uh, the judge explained it

a bit, the minimum sentence and stuff on a guilty plea is

Apparently.

And so if he pled not guilty and did other things he would have

to, like, it was a whole thing.

This was a long time ago to admittedly.

But I remember the judge listing off like this ridiculous, like it was

like a $20,000 fine or something.

And it's just like, well, that's his take home in a year right now?

You

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: we're college kids.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Uhhuh.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: So.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that for me, the two week timeframe that they Quote here.

Kind of.

Reinforces for me, what a.

um, I guess it's some of the, some of the like darkness and fascism

of the, the earth government.

because, you know, when, when the wheels of justice turn too quickly.

uh,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: You're not wrong.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

There's.

opportunities for great, great injustice there.

So the fact that it's been two weeks, the trial is over and we

find out that his killer was also sentenced to a death, of personality.

That has also already been carried out.

That's really fast.

It's really fast.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yes.

In the scene after this were introduced to brother Malcolm.

A

new recruit to the order.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Big moment for Sheridan here.

As he confronts who brother Malcolm, is.

brother Theo.

Gives him a little pontification.

First he gives uh, Sheridan the glass.

Uh, It looks like a glass of origami thing almost.

Little

Crane.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: glass crane thing.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Yeah.

That that Edward had been working on and we had seen Sheridan

admiring it earlier in the episode.

Theo gives that to him and then.

After talking about forgiveness brings in brother Malcolm and

Sheridan has to eat his words.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: has to, Has to.

Realize that he's gotta walk the talk that he was talking.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Forgiveness is difficult.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: yep.

And a great moment for brother Theo.

to, if you think about it.

That.

He realized.

This was the right thing to do for brother, Edward.

To knowingly take this person in and make their life better.

Even after all they had done.

So last button on the episode.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Meta grows gills.

She can go hang with Kevin Costner.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I was like, look at her

gills, look at the gills.

Cuz that's something I really remembered from the character.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I, I will always go for

the Waterworld joke.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I enjoy that movie in a way,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Uh, I enjoy that movie as well.

I will say so in college, This is a Storytime.

In college, it was my best friend's birthday.

And he wanted to go tubing for his birthday.

And we had set up this whole thing and we were going to go tubing for his birthday.

And it rained really bad that day.

Like we were all ready to go.

We had a bunch of people getting at my place, you know, cause we were

living together with their inner tubes and everything, and then it

starts to downpour and thunder storm.

And we're just like, we're not going to

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: storm.

That's a bad idea.

So instead I ran to the liquor store at like 11:00 AM.

Bought a keg.

Brought it back.

We've all inflated.

Our inner tubes removed all of the furniture from our living room.

And we watched Waterworld in our swim trunks, sitting

in tubes in the living room.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, that's fun.

I like that.

It's the only way to watch water world now.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yep.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

So the other thing that's.

About that scene, not just that she has gills.

And I had to remind my husband that, you know, Kos is in that.

Area that is the different atmosphere area.

That's why the gills are significant.

I don't think we've been in there for just a little bit.

So Every, all the humans have had to wear like the, gas mask thing.

And that's why K has an environmental encounter suit.

Like.

He's got a different atmosphere, theoretically.

And not because he's an angel on the inside.

But.

The suit is open.

And it looks like.

Something of light is streaming out of litta into the suit.

And so this is where we find out that uh, basically K is

Just using her as like a me now.

So it wasn't just Litta that, that left.

K was with her.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: new meat suit.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: The.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: interesting,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yep.

Interesting development.

Well, what'd you think of this episode?

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, you know, our little tiny

quibble with the plot aside for me, this is a be on five outta five

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: 100%, five out of five.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It's so good.

it does all of the right things for a Babylon five episode.

It brings old plot points and stuff you had forgot from

place setting from seasons ago.

It makes you question your, your morals or ethics in a way.

It makes a serial killer, a sympathetic character somehow.

It will makes you question.

Is this person even still a serial killer?

Like what is the line?

What is the boundary?

What is the ship of Theseus of the mind?

Like it is so good.

Uh, This, this episode.

It's just at every point is fantastic.

Brad Durham just knocks it out of the park.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: A plus acting.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I think there's some, some moments in the

middle where you're kind of wondering.

Is, is he breaking?

Is this you know, is he becoming a serial killer?

Like.

You know, you, You kind of wonder before we find out that someone is doing this to

him, you wonder if he's just like the, the old personality's just busting through.

And he's gonna go do murders again or something.

There's a little bit of mystery to it that I like.

On top of the things to think about with ethics and morality and.

What this universe is like and is death of personality really humane.

And there's so, so many questions to ask yourself.

I love it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: about it.

So I.

I'm Glad that we hit a Babylon five Outta five within the

first four episodes of season

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: And next week we'll be talking

about season three, episode five.

Voices of authority.

There's a new, powerful ally in the fight against the shadows.

Sheridan's recent actions or question on earth.

And some shocking information about Earth's president Clark.

Is revealed.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Interesting.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: That

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I,

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: for an episode.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And it's not things that I

specifically remember like, oh yes, this is that episode.

You know, I'm just

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: I don't

know.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah, it's kind of ambiguous.

But I know.

With some of the stuff that is coming in the next five to six episodes.

Some stuff comes kind of quick.

Compared to where I remembered it before.

And I will say it doesn't feel like the plot.

Condensation has started here.

That's a season four thing that we'll be talking about a ton.

Because if you were unaware of listener, they didn't think it was

going to make it to season five.

So season four is season four and season five's plots shoved into one season.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, it gets a little crammed.

And About halfway through season four.

You're like what?

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: You feel like it's halfway

through season four, but it's episode like seven or eight.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Oh, my gosh, I

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: halfway point.

So even

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: It felt like that I was shocked.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Mm-hmm.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: some stuff happens in season four,

but that's neither here nor there.

And that's definitely not for next week.

But what's for next And this week and every other week

is thinking Jeremy Siegel.

Thank you, Jeremy, for our lovely theme music, you can find more of Jeremy's

At Jeremy Siegel, 40 two.bandcamp.com.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: And thank you to angry duck time machine

on Instagram for our podcast artwork.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Shoot us an email who are you?

At gmail.com.

Obviously we just did mailbag.

So it'll be awhile before our next But shoot us an email and we'd be

happy to read your letter on the air.

And also join our discord community.

It's fun.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Yeah, we're just always

happy to hear from you.

However you wanna do

it.

We'll even check our Facebook.

If, if that's uh, Your jam.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: I, we we've gotten like three

messages on our Facebook ever.

And I have answered all of them.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: But I'm delighted every time I see it.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Yeah.

I mean, we have a

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: don't

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: If that

still exists, when this airs.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: We'll see

if

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: We'll see.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: hasn't burned to the ground.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: Maybe it

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: Twitter won't.

Twitter itself.

might, yeah.

Microphone (2- USB Audio CODEC ) Input channel 1: All right.

Well, we'll see

you next week, internet.

Analogue 1 + 2 (Focusrite Usb Audio) Input channel 1: By.