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Still in Search of Excellence - with Tom Peters
Episode 1613th March 2023 • Happy Space Podcast with Clare Kumar • Clare Kumar
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Iconic management thought leader Tom Peters is intellectually irritated and still in search of excellence! Join us for episode 16 of the Happy Space Podcast for delightful commentary on the power of women and the end of the three-martini lunch.

In our conversation, we explore several of these including Tom’s deep respect for humanity which he refers to as Extreme Humanism. We dive into sensitivity, his fondness for “quiet” people, inclusivity, and the power of female leaders. We tackle the challenges of managing by zooming around and the need for a new kind of leader. While some understand a different leadership mindset is required for the current world of work, many don’t. We are, indeed, still in search of excellence.



00:09:34 Pandemic-influenced leadership skills

00:10:48 Passing the introvert scale

00:14:35 Tension between leaders and the workforce

00:15:38 The death of the three-martini lunch

00:16:40 Managing by Zooming around

00:17:50 Acknowledge the ask

00:23:00 Promote more women

00:26:56 We are a little bit less worse

00:31:21 Intellectual irritation

00:34:44 Can leaders slow down?

00:35:51 Relationships are inversely proportional to speed, period

00:39:48 Saying no to booze



Susan Cain's "Quiet"

Elaine Aron

Financial Times article: “Tom Peters: McKinsey's work on opioid sales represents a new low

The Female Brain - Louann Brizendine

Survival of the Friendliest: Understanding Our Origins and Rediscovering Our Common Humanity - Brian Hare, Vanessa Woods

Domain Home

Washington Speakers Bureau

Christine Farrell

Leadership the Hard Way: Why Leadership Can't be Taught and How You Can Learn it Anyway - Dov Frohman with Robert Howard

SEED blog post

Tom Peters’ website

IMAGE CREDITS (see on Youtube video)

Quiet book cover - credit Clare Kumar

Sensitive book cover - credit Clare Kumar

Elaine Aron - credit Clare Kumar

Tom Peters - credit Tom Peters

Elaine Aron - credit Clare Kumar

Bill Clinton - credit Wiki Commons

Video of audience - credit Envato Elements

#Acknowledgetheask - credit Clare Kumar

Financial Times - credit

The Female Brain cover - credit Clare Kumar

Christine Farrell - credit Washington Speakers Bureau

Leadership: The Hard Way - credit Goodreads


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Highly sensitive executive coach and productivity catalyst, Clare Kumar, explores the intersection of productivity and inclusivity continually asking how can we invite the richest contribution from all. She coaches individuals in sidestepping burnout and cultivating sustainable performance, and inspires leaders to design inclusive performance thereby inviting teams to reach their full potential. As a speaker, Clare mic-drops “thought balms” in keynotes and workshops, whether virtual or in-person. She invites connection through her online community committed to designing sustainable and inclusive performance, the Happy Space Pod. Why? Because everyone deserves a Happy Space.

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Audio and Video Editing by: To Be Reel

Production Assistant: Luis Rodriguez

Song Credit: Cali by Wataboi from Pixabay





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