It’s me, Mark Stone, and in this episode of the Backseat Driver Podcast, I’m joined by Bran DeMan, the man behind Shitbox Adventures, a company dedicated to taking unlikely cars on unforgettable journeys.

Bran shares how the idea for Shitbox Adventures began with an ambitious road trip from Belgium to Mongolia in an ageing Lada, proving that adventure does not require an expensive vehicle, just determination and a willingness to embrace the unexpected.

We explore the philosophy behind these events, where camaraderie, resilience, and shared experiences matter far more than horsepower or prestige. Bran explains what qualifies a car as a true "shitbox", how routes are planned across challenging terrain, and why participants keep returning for more despite the inevitable breakdowns and mishaps.

This episode celebrates adventure motoring at its purest, where unreliable cars, questionable decisions, and unforgettable memories combine to create experiences that last a lifetime.

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I'd like to introduce the Backseat Driver, a young chap from Belgium called Brandy man, or as he tells me, Brian the Man, if it's translated into English.

He's the man who runs the, shall we say interestingly named Shitbox Adventures, which appear to be a global adventure system if you look at his Facebook page.

So, Brandeman, welcome to the Backseat Driver.

Hi, Mark, how are you doing?

It's an honor to be on your podcast.

Thank you very much indeed.

Where a mouse in Belgium are you?

I'm well, actually, we are from Ghent, so.

Yeah, that's in the middle of Flanders, actually.

Right, Very nice.

As I said, as I said, my knowledge of Belgium is the beer is very good.

And Spa remains, in my opinion, one of the greatest circuits in the world.

But what you guys get up to doesn't.

Don't exactly take you to the legendary circuit of spa.

How did Shipbox Adventures coming to being?

And I thought.

I called the next day.

I called my two brothers and.

And we decided to buy an old Lada from a dodgy Serbian guy for thousands of euros.

We put a thousand euros personalized license plate on, which is called Svetlader.

And, yeah, we drove it all the way to Mongolia and back with all the crazy adventures because none of us were our mechanics.

But in the end, we ended up into Mongolia.

I drove it back alone because my board was.

Were afraid to go back alone, to go back again.

So I hired myself a Russian guy to outrun my visa, which was about to expire.

Yeah.

And back in Belgium.

And then, yeah, I was sold to the car, or Shitbox Adventures, actually.

So after that, I decided to go with the same Lada to the North Cape in winter at minus 35 degrees Celsius.

And then I even end up into driving to Sierra Leone to the Sahara Desert, over the sand dunes with the same ladder and back.

There's one.

I mean, that is tangible proof that you cannot kill a larder, can you?

Killing it is almost killing with the ladder.

There's always something wrong with that car.

In the end, it keeps on driving.

Yeah.

So, I mean, if you look at your Facebook page, I mean, it's like you say, there's Lord of the Isles, which took in the entirety of England, Scotland and Ireland, the 24 hours of shitbox Ruta de los Locals, the Polar Problem Express, Maginot misfire, Belgian border bangers, Caspian chaos.

And you went to the Balkans.

I mean, who decides on all these routes?

Actually we do.

We do.

So yeah, we decided everything which we wanted to do and instead of joining somebody else's rally organization or adventure organization, maybe decided to do it ourselves with the same setup.

Meaning we gather, set out a route, we include all the campsites so we meet every evening if we get there every day.

Every day we drive actually queasy routes and nobody dares to drive it with a 4x4.

We do it to the shit box of the ED.

So I mean, before you actually put the rallies on or the adventures on, do you go out there and do them yourself to see if they're okay?

Actually, that's a question.

We get a lot, but most of the roads we have or the routes, we have done a part of it.

Yeah.

So like in the Balkans, I have done, I have, we have, we had done a part of.

So we decided to mix everything that we knew with everything we didn't knew together.

And that's the route.

So that's what we do every time.

Same with the Caspian chaos.

Well, we will be driving all the way to Azerbaijan and back.

So there are some roads I know that are the most craziest roads out there.

Yeah, those ones we include, obviously.

So I mean, how much do you have to tell the country you're going to or authorities or anything?

Do you have to tell anybody that you're going to be arriving to do this?

Actually, nothing, because we are actually just driving from campsite or sleeping place to another sleeping place and we redesign the route which you can either follow or ignore.

But in the most cases those are probably the only roads you can take.

For the route that we have set out, it's just driving from point A to point B.

It's not a race, it's trying to get there because most of our cars can't even reach the speed limit.

So what constitutes a shitbox?

That's another of the questions we mostly get.

So yeah, most people think, oh, it's about the price of the car, but that's not true because my Lada, it's actually now worth a lot, even though it's an actual piece of shit.

So actually shitboxes can be old, but they are mostly neglected or fashionable.

But especially they are either unreliable by nature or worn or neglected or held together by tape and hope.

So that are shit boxes.

What tend to be.

Apart from your now virtual global award winning Lauder, what tends to be the favorite Car.

Is there a particular make or model that you're entering entrants tend to go for?

Well, not especially.

Any car can be, can be a shitbox.

So it doesn't have to be like our ladder 42 year old car, which are very hard to find, especially if you want to find them cheap.

Yeah.

But yeah, let's say Land Hoover, Freelander Model 1.

Yeah.

Everybody knows it's very unreliable by nature.

Yeah.

And if it's 24 or more years old then I think it's kind of cool as a shitbox.

Yeah.

So because I notice in like some of your social media there's Volkswagens, there's Audis, there's Mercedes Benz.

I mean where do people tend to source them from?

I mean la does.

I mean, is Russia the favorite place or Eastern Europe?

Can you find lorders all over?

You used to, but you used to find them all over.

And I think there's a certain time period, once a car gets over 35 years old, they tend to be very scarce to find.

So either they are bought by collectioners who wants to keep them in the garden or in their shed to look at for like every day.

And that's a bit of a pity because we want those cars to be on the roads.

That's what they made for.

Yeah, that's it.

So yeah, any kind of car which is, it's difficult to find and scare us.

We had a guy who entered with the Lancia Beta.

Oh yeah.

In the end they're just very scarce to find and they're actually unreliable by nature.

So this is Hubert.

I mean the only ones that, I mean I, I've driven quite a few of them.

I've never had problems with them but I mean the Fiat was always notorious for being unreliable, quick but unreliable.

I mean is, is a Fiat still a popular car?

Yes, especially the, the, the square box Fiat Panda ones.

Yeah, the old.

Yeah, but yeah, the unreliable.

Yes and no.

They had 4x4 fiat pandats and, and they are still very, very, very popular and, and especially in Italy and south of Italy and them on a daily basis.

So that means that they are actually fairly good cars.

But we see them here in Europe and in the UK as shit boxes because nobody drives them anymore and they are actually very unsafe.

So another criteria could be of a shitbox.

A zero star end cap test.

Yeah, that's also a shit box.

I mean this might surprise you.

Mine's only a few years old but I Drive a Fiat Panda, four wheel drive and it's a phenomenal little car.

I actually rally it, it's my D fairly car.

But I actually rallied a little thing and it never gives me a problem.

Yeah, indeed.

So some shit boxes look like a shit box, but they're actually amazing cars like okay, the lala knot, but it's actually a quite a reliable good car.

And another thing, a small car.

A small shit box car.

Yes.

The most fun thing to drive.

If you drive on the roads that we drive with Richmond or particularly small roads with a lot of be and hairpins.

That's so much fun to dive it with a little car you feel like you are racing, only you're doing like 20 kilometers an hour, you still feel like racing.

I mean I've always said it is more fun to get a small car to perform well than to get a large car to perform well.

And there's a sense of achievement when you beat a bigger, more powerful car down a particular section of road in a tiny little car.

The driver of the big car doesn't know really what's happened to it.

Him, he's just been completely outclassed by a tiny little car.

Yeah, indeed, indeed.

And that makes it so much fun when you drive those roads like we did a few weeks ago on the cobblestones, all the one split but very small cars, they were like flying over the cobblestones where those big heavy cars on those cobblestones they were having problems, they lost exhaust, had flat tires and the small cars just flew over there.

What abouts was that?

That was the hell of the north.

So we did one weekend and yeah, there's a famous cycling course.

We in Flanders are very fond of cycling and Paris where the cyclists drive over cobblestones for like 200 km in a road race.

So we recreated that with shinboxes.

Yeah.

So we dove about 1,000km and then we let our participants die for 12 hours over cobblestones, hoping for them to reach the finish.

Yeah, so that's fun.

I mean it's interesting.

If you go to one of the major test tracks in England where they test and evaluate cars, one of the surfaces they have to drive over at speed.

It's described as Belgian pave, which are the cobblestones and they are notorious for inflicting damage on cars.

Yes, definitely.

We still have a lot of them.

We still have a lot of them, but actually the most of them which are still very bad.

So meaning great good in the northern France because you have their long sections of those pave so the northern French cobblestones are notorious.

So basically, if you want to test your car, go to Belgium and Northern France, you don't have to go to a test track, you just drive around as normal.

Yes, indeed.

Because our roads are in that good state to test your car.

How many people do you get taking part in your events?

Well, the weekends are very popular actually, so our weekends are almost sold out always.

The bigger events tend to be more difficult to find people.

So it's hard to find people who are willing to drive a shitbox for like two weeks.

Weeks?

Yeah.

Every day, 12 hours in the CO. For me, it's my hobby.

For some of them it's a torture.

But once you find those people, once they did it, they always tend to come back.

So we tend to be more like a shitbox.

Fondly.

So they always come back.

And how many events do you run?

Because, I mean, like looking, as I said on your social media, you've done a lot of them.

Well, actually, it's, it's.

We didn't do a lot of them.

We are going to do a lot of them.

So the, the first event we did was last year, which was called the Belgian Border Bangers.

Yeah.

Where we drive the whole Belgium border along all the roads closest to the border.

Yeah.

Which is fun.

And then the next event was the broke down Balkan where we drove all the Balkan states.

Well, all, Almost all the Balkan states.

In a week.

Yeah.

I mean, did you, did you, did you drive there or are the cars transported there?

No, we drive there.

All right, that's.

Yeah, we drive them and then we drive back.

So let's say in eight days we drive more than 5,500 kilometers.

Yeah.

Those were two events we did.

And then a few weeks ago we had our third event, which was Aube.

Yeah.

And next on the line is Lord of the Isles.

So again, in less than a month, we will be conquering the Highlands and Ireland and Wales and.

And the Cotswolds.

Yeah.

The Court Worlds are very nice.

Scotland's very nice.

But an Ireland.

Ireland is probably as wild as Belgium is because the other thing I remember about Belgium is there, they have a good sense of humor of the Belgians, very much like the Irish.

And as I said, the Irish produce some good beer like the Belgians do.

Do.

So, I mean, what made you want to drive around the entirety of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales?

Well, since we're not doing the event every time.

Every.

Every time the same.

So we always do new events.

Yeah.

So once we go to England.

I thought okay, let's go to Scotland and then oh maybe there just make the whole round of Ireland and then dive back to rails since we land in Oad.

Yeah.

To Wales and then back back to mainland Europe.

So we have done not everything of course, but the whole entirety of the.

Of the United Kingdom and Ireland.

Right.

So.

And I mean do you arrange the accommodation on all this?

So when, when the entrance set off, they know where they're staying for the night, to use your phrase, providing they get there.

Yes.

So yeah, we, we, we provide accommodation.

So that's always included in, in the price because it's, it's just other.

Every night and then to see everybody running or crumbling in at the campsite.

And especially the reason why we do this is to have that, that, that feeling of being together.

Yeah.

At the campfire talking about all the adventures we went through on the same crappy routes we have chosen and having a beer along the campfire while we still are fixing a car for the next day.

Yeah.

And the next day it's all over again.

So yeah, that's, that's all.

That's something we fix.

So including the, the roads, the, the campsites, the roads they can choose to ignore or to follow.

Yeah.

And we also include comms device.

So we, we give everybody Walkie talkie.

Yeah.

Especially to call the car in front of you.

That the exhaust has me falling off.

Oh that.

Oh they behind.

So we're going to pick them up for them.

So to communicate with each other.

Yeah.

I mean do you, is there any form of mechanical assistance on your events for the cars that are notoriously unreliable or are the entrants expected to repair their own cars or help repairing other people's cars?

Well, there's non assistance whatsoever.

So it's a bit of part of the, part of the experience.

Yeah, the part of the experience.

So you will break eventually it will happen either or a minor flat tire or something bigger as an issue.

But that's why we there as a group.

So maybe you can't do know how to, how to fix your car but there's always, there will always be somebody in the group who can fix a car or help you out or be there or we tow the car to the next mechanic.

That's the group feeling of it.

So you don't have to have knowledge of a car.

It's interesting to have knowledge but it's more interesting to have no knowledge.

Though the cars are not at their best and not at their newest.

Do you suggest any form of preparation before they enter, especially some of your long distance ones.

Do you suggest they do things like maybe service them or check the tires or do whatever?

Yeah, especially for the harder ones like Huta dos Locos, where we go going to drive every day on a gravel road mountain peak in the Pyrenees, Spain.

Well, there we suggest to install a sump guard if you want to avoid every single stone on your oil Carter.

So that's something you need or we suggest to do.

We also suggest for those kind of routes to bring at least one spare tire and a tire repair set.

Yes, things will happen, obviously.

Then we also suggest to bring a basic repair test repair kit, some duct tape, zip ties and a hammer.

Yeah, normally to the end the other part of the world.

Yeah.

I mean I conclude one thing that every vehicle must have, and I'm not sure what they call them in Belgium, but we have something called once a car is over three years old, it has be to be MOT'd, which is the Ministry of Transport test to ensure the car is roadworthy.

Is there an equivalent in Belgium and the rest of Europe?

Yeah, indeed, indeed.

In Belgium it's after four years the car needs to go to the MOT or the tactical toll in Belgium about every year.

So.

Indeed.

So every car needs to be according to the country where it is registered, needs to have valid technical control.

Obvious.

Because otherwise.

Yeah, you can't drive legally.

So yeah, that's there.

So that's the harder part.

Like our previous events we had cars who had to go to technical control in the morning when the event started.

So some of them passed, some of them didn't and they had, they, they brought a spare shitbox.

So someone had a 25 year old Opel Savira laying around which was still under technical control.

So instead of taking his preferred shit box, he took the better ship looks.

Yeah.

I conclude the other thing you will need to carry are things like oil and spark plugs.

If you're in the petrol and given the age, you may still have to carry things like points.

People don't know what points are now because most cars have fuel injection, etc.

But I conclude for the older cars you will have to carry some very old fashioned spares.

Yes, Ralph.

Yeah.

Actually when I drove to, to Sierra Leone with my Lada, the only, the only thing was I brought with me was an ignition coil because that tends to wear out and some support plugs and that's it.

That's the only things I brought with me.

Yeah.

And of course my tool and spare tires and yeah, I Was able to drive all the way to Sierra Leone and back to the Sahara desert with a lot of issues, of course, but.

But I managed to do so.

But in those countries, especially in Morocco and Spain and Turkey, where we go to.

Well, a mechanic is a shop that you visit daily.

You don't have to take an appointment like we do in Europe, because then your car will be fixed in like three weeks.

No, you come there with an issue, they're always friendly, they're always willing to help.

And okay, of course we can that bush mechanics, but those bush mechanics, they tend to carry you to the next mechanic shop.

Yeah, I mean this has been renowned in some of the big.

Back in the 70s, some of the big long distance rallies that the cars would arrive in a tiny village, the garage would stay open and often work through the night to repair a car to make sure it continued in the rally the day after.

From the sounds of it, this attitude attitude still exists in various parts of Europe.

You find some small mechanic shops where people.

The thing is, if you arrive with a shitbox like a ladder or an old Fiat Panda 2 mechanic shop which stands to be open, they will, they will bring your car in and they will try to catch you on the road again because they know the feeling of driving those kinds of cars.

It's more like a community free feeling of helping people on the road.

And that's something that we want to recreate.

Let's go back to times where people need to help each other instead of reading out a car with an electronic device and see what the problem is.

Ordering the part and waiting a few months to get it fixed.

Do you ever get to parts of the world where what you consider to be a shitbox, the rest of the country is driving around in them?

Because there's a lot of countries out there where old cars are still the main cars.

Yeah, indeed.

We drove in last year, we drove in Bosnia and there's some region in Bosnia.

I never seen so many Volkswagen Golf too, ever in my life.

Yeah, they all move on.

They all drove on.

And diesel, the old, the 1.6 diesel ones are the most famous one.

And they still drive them as daily cars.

Although they're like almost 40 years old.

Yeah, it's fun.

They'll no doubt find it might be.

Find it amusing or insulting that their everyday car is what you guys would run in your rallies.

I mean, do you ever get out there and think, I could buy a few of these and supply them to the entrance?

Actually, actually.

So Renslieber in Serbia, I'M really fond of the.

Yeah, I'm really fond of Diego and yeah, of course you can, you can buy them here in Europe, but you will pay a lot of money.

So you're joking.

I mean, I mean, they were a notoriously terrible car.

I believe it or not, I have driven a Cabriolet one and it was nothing more than at the factory.

They took one of the normal cars off the production line, cut the roof off and the tailgate off, welded it up, put a strengthener across and there you have a Cabriolet A.

That's a perfect cable.

So that's, that's the perfect shit box.

So.

Yes, indeed.

So they are actually now quite, quite expensive in Europe.

So I met the person from the campsite and she was fond of our Ladas, the Lada.

And we had a team from Estonia with the Moskvich.

Oh yeah.

Along with us.

Yeah, that's actually a really bad car.

But.

Then I ask her, okay, I'm actually looking for some jugos 45 and ugos 55.

And yes, she's willing to arrange them for us in technical good condition.

And maybe this summer or next summer we will drive up there, get some back to Europe, big into technical control and maybe we find some other idiots to do.

I mean, would you have any technical problems bringing them into Belgium if like a transporter with six of these cars on it appeared, would you have any problems?

Would you have to give a reason why you were importing them?

Well, importing from Serbia, which is not a EU country, you have to pay import tax.

So for mainland Europe, that means you have to pay 10% on the value of the car.

Yeah, and then included of the total value of the car, including the 10%.

You have also to pay the VAT on it.

But yeah, since you buy the car for like €300, that's quite okay.

So I conclude the hallmark of a shit box is how little you pay for it, not how much you've paid for it.

You can turn.

If I say I paid 1,000 pounds or 1,000 Euros for this, you can say, I've beaten you.

I only paid €300 for mine.

Yeah, exactly.

So we, we have, we have participants who, who bought a car for like €100.

Yeah, they get it through tactical control control.

And they drove like 5,000km with a bit on the whole world trip.

That's the whole idea, that's the whole fun part of it.

But you have to be lucky.

Yeah.

So how long does it take you to organize one of these Events, because I mean, from an idea to everybody setting off.

Because I conclude there is a universal starting point.

I conclude in Belgium is that the case?

But not always in Belgium.

For example, for Caspian chaos, we start in Turkey, because, yeah, that's already 2,500 kilometers covered.

And then they can choose either to drive there directly or to do it in the 24 hour challenge from Belgium to Turkey.

So that's how we settled it.

But yeah, organizing it the most time it's in the woods itself.

So planning the routes takes a lot of time, a lot of planning, calculating.

Is it possible, Is the road even possible to drive with a car?

Yeah, mostly.

Most of them are drivable with the 4x4, but I have to really check if they are able to do so.

So I have some locals all over, which I call and I call them, look, I've seen this road and I know you can drive it with a tractor, but can you drive it with an old Lada?

And if they say yes, I do every day.

But my old folks around golf too.

Yeah, then we try it.

So I conclude, do you also use things like Google Maps and things like that to have a look at the roads that you haven't seen?

Besides asking a local, do you actually go onto like satellites and see what's there?

Yes, indeed, indeed.

Actually, every route we planned thoroughly to check also on Google Maps or possibly on Google Street View, but those routes, they don't have Google Skate View.

But a lot of those routes we check entirely on possibility capability, because a small road for 100km, that could take you maybe three hours.

Instead, if it's a small good road which is always straight, you can drive it in an hour.

And if we drive 400km on an hour, where you drive on average, let's say 30 kilometers an hour, that will take you a long time.

So we have to take into account that.

But yeah, you have to take into account that driving with our adventures, it takes you on average between 8 and 12 hours a day in the car.

Yeah.

And I conclude some of these roads you'll drive, the local people won't be used to seeing this many cars arriving, will they?

Indeed, indeed.

And actually we are always welcomed by locals.

They.

They never expect a Lada, but a Balzylater LifeSpace and especially not a Moskvich, but an Estonian license plate all the way in Serbia and the mountains on the gravel roads.

So yeah, and that helps to also to connect with the local people.

So they come out, they share, they invite you in for some rocky only Take one because you can drink and drive.

Yeah.

It connects people.

So old cars in an inconvenient situation helps you connect with each other and with the people you met along the way, which makes it a whole experience as well.

Have you ever had any interesting problems on any of your events?

On our personal events that we organize with Shitbox Adventures, not.

But personally, I had encountered a lot of situations where I came up with, for example, in the Sahara desert, I thought that driving with the Lada through the sand dunes was a very good idea.

And I can tell you it's not.

It's not.

So you see people in social media videos driving with cars on sand dunes.

Well, I think it's all put into the scene because I did it for like 100km and after 20 I completely got stuck.

So I had a 4x4, I had to pee.

It was in the middle of the night.

I lost my exhaust four times along that road.

It was just a line that I followed on a gps.

So, yeah, a lot of issues, but that's how stories grow and that's how you feel that you are alive in that kind of situation.

So you've never had to resort to your Russian bodyguard as you have to do once before?

No, no, no, no, no.

That's new.

We had.

Yeah, we've.

We had some problems in the past while driving with the Lada, for example, my.

My fuel pump was broken and it broken.

I didn't know what was wrong with it, but it was consuming 20 liters or 100 km, which is like almost triple the normal consumption.

So instead I couldn't fix that issue.

So what I did, I. I just kept on driving.

Consuming a lot of fuel.

Yeah, yeah, that was the solution.

Do you ever have it where you have to arrange for fuel if you're in some remote places?

Yeah, not on our adventures, but.

Or not yet on our adventures, but yeah.

When I was in guinea, so there was a few weeks before we arrived there, the main petrol storage was blown up by some accident.

So in the whole country there was shortage of fuel.

Yeah.

How we solved that issue was carrying for 60 liters of fuel cans on our rooftop.

Yeah.

So just before entering guinea in Senegal, we fueled up 60 liters on the rooftop and then 35 liters in the car, which could cover the whole Guinea.

But my car, like I said, was consuming triple, which take into account.

So after like half the way I was out of petrol and then finding Petal was.

Was really hard.

Yeah.

But in the end we found a very remote Petal station.

Along the way before falling without petrol and they had petrol left for us so we could continue to go to Sierra Leone.

Now one thing I notice you have your own shitbox beer, don't you?

Yes, indeed.

Indeed.

Yeah, we thought it was a really fun because well, how cool would it be as a Belgian to have our own beer.

So we went to a brewery and we said okay, can we arrange to produce a beer?

And they said yeah, of course you can, you can choose your own flavor and produce it.

But then we have to, we have to, to buy one hectolitres of it.

So I'm, I drink a lot of beer, but not that much.

What flavor is it?

Well, you can choose the bitterness, the taste being more brown or more blonde.

Actually everything you have more hop in it or less hop in it.

So everything is possible.

But in the end we choose to produce a beer with our own label with a pre designed taste.

And that's how shipbox beer came to.

Please, if somebody wants to participate in one of your events, I mean do the English take part?

Have you any English who take part in these?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

We have, we have few team English teams who will participate in our 24 hours of shitbox and that is trying to drive a shitbox in 24 hours along 18 countries.

Which is fun.

Yeah.

And then, then we have three US UK locals in Spain and we have also already an English team who will participate in our Polar Express where we drive in winter to the North Cape and where they can because we rented also an ice circuit where you can drift along the ice with your shitbox.

Yeah.

So if somebody wants to take part, how do they get in touch with you or Shitbox Adventure Adventures.

Oh, they go to our website www.shitboxadventures.world and there you can find everything you want on, on Shitbox Adventures or get directly in contact with us.

So you find our contact details, email, phone number or on our social media.

On our social media which is all called Shapebox Adventures.

If they're not, and if they're not satisfied with what I see, they can also go to to our YouTube channel and see what actually happens.

Brand man, it's been a fascinating chat.

Thank you very much for joining me on the backseat driver.

It's been absolutely great.

Okay, thank you.

It was likewise market fine chat and maybe if we come to England in a few weeks time, maybe we could meet up.

Yes, just let us know the backseat driver would be delighted to come and join you.

But until then, Brandon, thanks very much indeed.

Okay, bye.

Mark.