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What if the beauty & skin products (even the anti-aging ones) you put on every day were actually the reason you feel tired, look older, or that your period sucks every month?
Today we’re talking about just that – the hidden toxins in mainstream beauty, how clean products can be part of healing, and how your skin is a mirror for what’s happening hormonally.
If you’ve ever questioned what “beauty” really means—or how your skin reflects your health—you won’t want to miss this conversation.
Our guest is Elle Shelley Black, founder of SAME Skincare. After an emergency surgery and a devastating Stage 4 Endometriosis diagnosis upended her life, Elle began tracing the deep connections between hormones, daily self-care choices, and her skin.
What started as a personal quest to balance her hormones soon became a rigorous practice of elimination, optimization, and attunement—adapting her skincare to match the changing needs of her cycle. This journey led to the creation of SAME Skincare: a brand designed to educate, empower, and give women a personalized protocol for aligning their skin with their cycle, mood, and life’s changes.
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I discovered that there is a class of chemicals called endocrine disrupting chemicals, EDCs, and they have a direct link to the severity of symptoms of endometriosis.
Speaker A:By the way, Meredith, this is what's disappointing.
Speaker A:This research I'm talking about, it's very.
Speaker A: From: Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker A:Like, it's not even new research, it's old research.
Speaker A:We've known about EDCs for a long time.
Speaker B:A long time.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:It's by design that they are in the product.
Speaker B:It is not just, oh, we just didn't know because we had the fact and we, we took other routes because of money, because of.
Speaker B:This is a whole other episode by the way, getting, you know, getting into the sales funnel of like, oh, if we put this, this and this, it causes this disease.
Speaker B:So we're creating the problem to then have the solution offered.
Speaker B:It's like the cigarette companies making Nicorette and everything.
Speaker B:It's like the virus companies making the fucking viruses.
Speaker B:What if the anti aging beauty and skin care products you put on your face every day were actually the reason you look older, feel older and the reason your periods suck?
Speaker B:Today we are disrupting toxic beauty, chatting about all those hidden toxins in your bathroom, mainstream beauty products, how clean products can be a part of healing and how your skin is a mirror for what's going on inside of you.
Speaker B:If you have ever questioned what beauty really means or how your skin reflects your health, this episode is for you.
Speaker B:The guest I'm having this conversation with today is none other than fellow endowarrior sister Elle Shelley Black.
Speaker B:After an emergency surgery and a devastating stage four endometriosis diagnosis upended her life.
Speaker B:Elle began tracing the deep connections between hormones, daily self care choices and her skin.
Speaker B:What started as a personal quest to balance her hormones soon became a rigorous practice of elimination, optimization and attunement.
Speaker B:Adapting her skincare to match the changing needs of her cycle.
Speaker B:This journey led to the creation of Same Skincare, a brand designed to educate, empower and give women a personalized protocol for aligning their skin with their cycle, mood and life's changes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm saging too.
Speaker B:You can hear it or you can feel it?
Speaker A:I can feel.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Same skincare Sage.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I'm so excited as well.
Speaker B:Especially being that not that many people that I speak with have actually experienced what it's like to have endometriosis.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:We're the few of the proud, right?
Speaker B:Sadly, it's becoming more and more.
Speaker B:But the silver lining of that is People are becoming educated, and people are realizing that it's so much more than endo.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, that's why I feel like shit.
Speaker B:Oh, this is why I can't get up in the morning.
Speaker B:Or this is why my skin looks like shit all the time.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's funny, I'm saying the few, the proud, but 1 in 10 women, or 1 in 9, depending on which study you look at, are estimated to have endometriosis.
Speaker A:That's a huge percentage of the population.
Speaker A:Huge.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if you zoom in and look at just infertility, endometriosis is the root cause of 58%.
Speaker A:It's the largest cause, and it's the majority.
Speaker B:And then there's all the obviously misdiagnosis or no diagnosis with the gaslighting.
Speaker B:Yeah, that happens.
Speaker B:Which I want to chat about, because this is just, you know, you go in, you die every month, and you go to your doctor and they look at you and they tell you, well, you know, maybe you're just one of those people that has pain.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:It's so wild.
Speaker A:The tools that the medical community has, like, you know, the statistics are 1 in 10 women, no therapeutics and no diagnostic tools.
Speaker A:So if you get a diagnosis, you're considered lucky, which is crazy, because the gold standard way they diagnose you is they cut you open, they see the tissue, they scrape the tissue, they send the tissue off to a lab.
Speaker A:A lab can confirm endometriosis.
Speaker A:That's, like, the best we have.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And then if you get a diagnosis, what now?
Speaker A:Now you're left thinking with what I call, like, the whack a mole of symptom management.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because there's no root cause help to actually, like, deal with endometriosis.
Speaker A:So you have to, like, whack a mole your.
Speaker A:Your symptoms until you arrive at something that works for you.
Speaker A:And by the way, no doctor's gonna help you.
Speaker B:By the way.
Speaker A:That's not what they're here for.
Speaker A:That's not what they're here for.
Speaker B:Fun fact.
Speaker B:That's not what they're here for.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:How is it really?
Speaker A:How.
Speaker A:How is it really?
Speaker B:So I would love for you to share how your endo journey, which, you know, we've gotten bits of already, has shaped the way that you see skin care, how it has contributed to your incredible brand, same wellness brand share with us how that has all been connected and how that's come to fruition.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would love to Actually, my story with Endo really starts about two years ago when I woke up from emergency surgery.
Speaker A:And as I'm coming out of anesthesiology, I get the diagnosis from the doctor.
Speaker A:She says, okay, here's what happened while you were under.
Speaker A:We removed a five pound cyst, we removed your right ovary, we removed your right fallopian tube.
Speaker A:And we can, we're sending out to lab to test, but we believe you have stage four endometriosis.
Speaker A:That was the first time I was 39.
Speaker A:That was the first time I heard that word in my entire life.
Speaker A:Um, wow.
Speaker A:That was the first time I was like, well, what's, what's endometriosis?
Speaker A:And what am I going to do?
Speaker A:Um, but you know, I'm, I'm groggy and coming out of this emergency surgery and sort of sitting with my new world, my new reality.
Speaker A:So coming out of that surgery, I had a six week recovery of bed rest.
Speaker A:So I was on bed rest for six weeks, which is also very hard.
Speaker A:But I used that time to just to read everything that I could about endometriosis.
Speaker A:And like I said, what I learned is I'm one of the lucky ones because I actually got a diagnosis because there are no diagnostic tools.
Speaker A:And then if you're like me and you actually have a diagnosis, diagnosis, there are no therapeutics.
Speaker A:So you're left to your own devices and doctors and your own research and your friends and your community and the Internet to figure out what do I do to manage a chronic hormone condition, which is endometriosis is.
Speaker A:I learned that endometriosis is not a pelvic disease.
Speaker A:Most people think it is, but it's, it's a full body disease.
Speaker A:And here's what that means.
Speaker A:Endometriosis, in its simplest terms, is the wrong tissue in the wrong place.
Speaker A:As you know, as women, we're born with the cervix.
Speaker A:The inside lining of the cervix has endometrial tissue.
Speaker A:And that tissue is really important because it's where the egg sticks to and that creates human life.
Speaker A:But that tissue can grow anywhere in the human body.
Speaker A:And when it does, that's called endometriosis.
Speaker A:So they found endometriosis in the brain, in lungs, in shoulders, in hearts, in feet.
Speaker A:They found it everywhere in the body.
Speaker A:And it reacts to estrogen just like cramps do.
Speaker A:And so it feeds and grows and kind of changes based off of what your estrogen levels are.
Speaker A:So if you're someone who's managing this chronic hormonal condition, you have to take all of this into account, knowing that the medical community doesn't have a way to actually diagnose you.
Speaker A:And even if they do, they don't have any way to help you.
Speaker A:They're just going to whack a mole your, your symptoms.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Are you tired?
Speaker A:Are you crampy?
Speaker A:Like they're going to just try to figure out how to help you feel good based off of symptoms.
Speaker A:But that's the best that you're going to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just I've lived this literally and I wasn't diagnosed for over a decade.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker B:And it just got.
Speaker B:And then it gets embedded in your pelvic muscle.
Speaker B:And we chatted a little bit about that and then it's like, okay, well, by western medicine standards, you're just fucked forever.
Speaker A:Forever.
Speaker B:Never can like just gonna have end over ever.
Speaker B:But it's like you said, it's responding to estrogen hormonally.
Speaker B:And so if you take that part away, you become hormonally balanced and those tissues or those parts are able to essentially not respond to estrogen outside of the uterine wall, then it's like, okay, you're not living like with that definition anymore.
Speaker B:Even though by physical, biological standards it will always be there, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:And that's actually a really interesting point.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because the doctors, my doctors, during my surgery, they physically removed the tissue.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But I still have endometriosis.
Speaker A:What does that mean?
Speaker A:It means I still have the wrong tissue in the wrong place.
Speaker A:They don't know where, they don't know how they're going to figure it out.
Speaker A:I don't know when I'm going to feel good or feel bad, but it's there.
Speaker A:And I'm really careful, you know, as you know, about how I talk about this, because I think for women with endometriosis, we do a great disservice when we don't acknowledge that this is something you're gonna have forever.
Speaker A:And like you're gonna have to manage this for the rest of your life.
Speaker A:And that sounds overwhelming, but it's possible.
Speaker A:You know it and I know it.
Speaker A:And like, it's a lot about like figuring out your rhythm, your routine, your internal sort of like clocks, if you will, of what triggers you, what you need to do to feel good.
Speaker A:How do you know if a flare is coming?
Speaker A:What do you do if you get a flare?
Speaker A:All of these kinds of things.
Speaker A:Things.
Speaker A:And they're all sort of connected to, like you said, this heart root cause of Your hormones.
Speaker A:Um, so while I was on bed rest, I started researching, like I said, everything I could, knowing I was gonna have to build my own playbooks, my own protocols, my own rituals and routines.
Speaker A:And I discovered that there is a class of chemicals called endocrine disrupting chemicals, EDCs, and they have a direct link to the severity of symptoms of endometriosa.
Speaker A:Um, and by the way, Meredith, this is what's disappointing.
Speaker A: I'm talking about, it's from: Speaker B:Holy shit.
Speaker A:Like, it's not even new research.
Speaker A:It's old research.
Speaker A:We've known about EDCs for a long time.
Speaker B:A long time.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:It's by design that they are in the product.
Speaker B:It is not just, oh, we just didn't know.
Speaker B:No, no, no, it's by design.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of it is, like, we didn't know what we didn't know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, you know, making products is hard, and I get that.
Speaker A:But, like.
Speaker B:Well, we did know because we had the fact that we.
Speaker B:We took other routes because of money, because of.
Speaker B:This is a whole other episode, by the way.
Speaker B:Getting, you know, getting into the sales funnel of like, oh, if we put this, this and this, it causes this disease.
Speaker B:So we're creating the problem to then have the solution offered.
Speaker B:It's like the cigarette companies making Nicorette and everything else.
Speaker B:It's like the virus companies making the viruses.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:If we make the problem, then we're going to make the solution and it's money.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So I realized that there's this class of chemicals, and this is an interesting thing to talk about, because if you've been dealing with a chronic disease, like you have, like I have, especially as women, we want to be perfect.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We want perfect solutions.
Speaker A:Um, and so I always preface what I'm going to say next by saying, don't try to be perfect.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Once you go down the rabbit hole of understanding the toxic world that we live in, it can be absolutely paralyzing.
Speaker A:And you can be like, okay, I'm never going to leave my house.
Speaker A:I'm never going to eat out.
Speaker A:I'm never going to drink any other water.
Speaker A:I'm going to ask all my friends to stop wearing perfume around me.
Speaker A:I'm going to like, what am I going to do?
Speaker A:And that here, I think, is actually worse than anything else because you're just generating anxiety.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So what I realized is I didn't want to eliminate toxins.
Speaker A:I wanted to reduce my toxic load.
Speaker A:But I started with Easy stuff.
Speaker A:What products do I have in my house, you know, in my world, that I can remove, eliminate, and replace with low tox, no toxic, which is low toxin or no toxin products?
Speaker A:And I just got really educated on that and really picky about everything in my world.
Speaker A:And the other thing that I learned while I was researching everything about endometriosis was that we don't have enough research.
Speaker A:So we don't even have enough research for the scientific and medical community to start to even make assumptions around how we might help endometriosis.
Speaker A:We need more research.
Speaker A:So I decided to connect these two insights.
Speaker A:One about this, like, toxic world that we have, and the other about the lack of research.
Speaker A:And I created what is today same wellness.
Speaker A:And we developed clean, where the definition of clean is low tox, no tox products, specifically for people struggling with chronic hormone conditions.
Speaker A:And then we donate a percentage of the proceeds directly to endofound to fund breakthrough research.
Speaker A:So while I was doing that journey, what I found that journey, you know, to kind of, like, heal myself, I realized that my skin was actually a fantastic biomarker.
Speaker A:And when I say biomarker, I mean it was telling me visually what was happening inside with my hormones.
Speaker A:And as someone trying to manage a chronic hormone condition, I had a huge breakthrough where I was like, oh, my gosh, I can use my skin to tell me what I need to do based off of what my hormones are doing.
Speaker A:And so I developed all of these protocols, and I started to actually just put them together.
Speaker A:And today, all of that is manifested in an app that we're about to launch, which I'm so excited about, which uses your skin as a biomarker to understand your hormones and then helps you understand how your hormones impact your skin.
Speaker A:So it goes both ways.
Speaker A:And that's what I've been working on, and I'm super excited about it, because unlike skincare, which can really only help people, like, a certain amount of people, so I have to help everyone understand what their skin is telling them about their hormones and how their hormones actually affect their skin on the outside.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, and you said it all.
Speaker B:Like, if there's one thing that people, when they ask me, they're healing from endo, or they're on their healing journey to put their endometriosis in remission so they aren't living this we die every month or even fucking, like, every day for some people kind of life, it's the skin and beauty products.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:If there's nothing else, like, just do that, Just do that.
Speaker B:The fudgeing Febreze, get rid of, like, you said, that fragrance, all of that, that's literally endospray.
Speaker B:You're just spraying endo.
Speaker A:When you spray fragrance, breeze, air freshener, toss it out, anything with fragrance, move everything to fragrance free and you will feel better.
Speaker A:I can almost guarantee you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And it's not that long.
Speaker B:I mean, yes, you need to detox and stuff, but you will start feeling differences, like, probably rather than the next cycle.
Speaker B:It takes like a full 90 days for everything, for total cellular, like, regeneration.
Speaker B:But I started feeling when I really started dumping the bath and body works and all of that, all because it's everything.
Speaker B:It's in the nail pol.
Speaker B:It's in everything.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Again, I'm not saying this to put people in fear exactly.
Speaker B:Like you said, it's to educate and just be aware so you can choose wisely.
Speaker B:And thank God for brands like yours that are coming out and saying, like, we know better, so let's do better.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Like, and it's so true.
Speaker B:The skin is an absolute mirror for what's going on.
Speaker B:So what are some of the signs specifically that you've had in your experience or that you see that people can look for?
Speaker B:Like, those clues is saying, like, okay, this is meaning, like, I'm maybe needing, like, to boost my progesterone or, like, what are some of those signs?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's really okay.
Speaker A:So that's really, really tough because, you know this idea.
Speaker A:What I think is, I'm gonna answer your question, but I'm taking the long route.
Speaker A:So Buckles, one of the things that I think is really challenging for women who are trying to manage a chronic hormone condition is the idea of, what do I need more of and what do I need less of and how do I know?
Speaker A:Like, this is what's really interesting.
Speaker A:Like, the idea of boosting your.
Speaker A:So if we do, like, hormone 101, right, the way hormones work from a symptom perspective is actually a horseshoe.
Speaker A:So the way you feel with too much is actually the same way you feel with not enough.
Speaker A:And so it's really hard to diagnose just based off of how you feel, how your hormones are doing.
Speaker A:I just want to caveat and say that when we talk about hormones, I'm really focused on, like, the big three, right?
Speaker A:Progesterone, testosterone, and estrogen.
Speaker A:And a lot of times people think, like, okay, you know, if I don't have enough progesterone, I need to just take more progesterone.
Speaker A:But that not might not actually be the answer.
Speaker A:It might be, how do you lower your estrogen?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And like, once you lower estrogen, now you've got testosterone potentially out of balance.
Speaker A:And here's my favorite fun fact about testosterone.
Speaker A:Man, woman, whatever, whatever gender you identify as, if you have too much testosterone, it metastasizes or metabolizes into estrogen.
Speaker A:So that's actually why when men are taking steroids, they grow boobs and their balls shrink because they're becoming women.
Speaker A:Because too much testosterone metabolizes into.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's technically not an estrogen, but it's a sub.
Speaker A:It is estrogen, but it's an estrogen.
Speaker A:It's like a different way of spelling it, but it is an estrogen like compound that is derived from testosterone.
Speaker A:And so balancing hormones is incredibly complex is the point that I'm trying to make.
Speaker A:And like, as a person, if you are a human who's trying to go on this journey, do not try to go at it alone.
Speaker A:Get blood work done, talk to your doctor and really, like, figure it out.
Speaker A:Because I think it's actually very, very, very, very, very difficult to do by yourself.
Speaker A:And, you know, in the biohacking world, like, the precision to do this, we just aren't there with the diagnostics.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, hormones are designed to fluctuate.
Speaker A:So even a blood test is not gonna give you an accurate sense of whether or not, like, what your hormones are actually doing because you actually want them to rise and fall.
Speaker A:And look, I'm just telling you all of this to keep.
Speaker A:To paint a picture of, you know, how complex our internal systems are and what we can do to understand them in the simplest way.
Speaker A:So all that being said, there are some key hallmarks of things that show up on your skin that are related to your hormones.
Speaker A:You know, and I love talking about this because we all forget that we went through puberty and it wreaked havoc on our skin.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Guess what?
Speaker A:It's the same thing, right?
Speaker A:If you are seeing, you know, you're more likely to break out two times during your cycle.
Speaker A:Everybody knows this right before you ovulate and while you're ovulating, and that's because of the rise in progesterone, by the way.
Speaker A:And then again, when you, when you're on your period during your menstrual cycle, that's the second time, right before.
Speaker A:And so those are the two times you're most likely to have breakouts.
Speaker A:Now, if you are broken out in and around your chin, all of the Time.
Speaker A:And they're kind of these deep breakouts.
Speaker A:That's very likely hormonal acne.
Speaker A:Hormonal acne does come from a hormonal imbalance.
Speaker A:Typically, it's estrogen dominant girls that struggle with pcos.
Speaker A:Polycystic ovarian syndrome.
Speaker A:That's sort of the opposite of endometriosis.
Speaker A:Whereas endometriosis is estrogen dominance but not enough testosterone.
Speaker A:PCOS is estrogen dominance, but estrogen dominance through too much testosterone.
Speaker A:And that's why girls with PCOS will get a little bit hairier.
Speaker A:They'll start to have more technically male things happening to their face.
Speaker A:Um, so these are just little clues that your skin is giving you of what your hormones are actually doing.
Speaker A:And the cool part is if you track it, if you log it over time, you can figure it out.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And going back to what you were saying a little bit before about this perfection piece, right?
Speaker B:Because it's not, I feel like real healing is the ability to be with it all, even not having your shit, like, together.
Speaker B:It's the ability to be with everything just as it is.
Speaker B:And just that acceptance liberates.
Speaker B:There is a part that is liberated.
Speaker B:So it's like we stress out, even about stressing out.
Speaker B:And while all of it is like, okay, yes, we want to do better and take care of our skin and take care of our hormones and all of that, it's a rhythm and it's unique to each person, which is, like you were saying, why you find it.
Speaker B:It's not just knowing the facts about food and, like, looking at it in this very scientific, linear way you live it.
Speaker B:You intuitively start knowing, oh, I'm in follicular.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm doing this.
Speaker B:It's more is the part that science.
Speaker B:And no doctor is ever going to tell you, we just aren't our society yet, but it's okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So just to answer your question, specifically, there are five key sort of skin biomarkers that are red, right?
Speaker A:And those are cystic breakouts.
Speaker A:They're on the chin and jawline.
Speaker A:These are classic hormonal acne zones.
Speaker A:Second is sudden oiliness or dryness, not explained by product changes or the weather.
Speaker A:So if you are suddenly very oily or very dry, I want to talk about dryness in particular.
Speaker A:That can be a sign that your body is nearing perimenopause or menopause.
Speaker A:Because what happens is, if you're used to having kind of balanced skin or even oily skin, it's this decrease in estrogen that your body's used to having.
Speaker A:When it's creating the sebum and all of the parts that make your skin glow.
Speaker A:And if that root source is gone, you're.
Speaker A:You're going to suddenly feel more dry than usual.
Speaker A:So that's a classic one.
Speaker A:And then darkening or pigmentation, like melasma.
Speaker A:This can typically come from an estrogen dominance, too.
Speaker A:The one that I suffered with the most is puffiness and inflammation.
Speaker A:There's a lot you can do to help with inflammation.
Speaker A:And then, of course, like, increased sensitivity and itchiness.
Speaker A:This is another one for me that I personally experienced.
Speaker A:These are linked to estrogen fluctuations.
Speaker A:Um, and like, the bigger the fluctuations, the more you're gonna see this increased sensitivity and itchiness.
Speaker A:That's how it sort of like, shows up in my world.
Speaker A:And I have to say, as soon as I really started to understand how to read ingredients, labels on products and skin care, just by ditching known allergens, which is pretty common, and fragrance and reducing the toxic exposure, if you have sensitive skin, you will reduce the reactions to products.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, so that's the five, right?
Speaker A:And, like, we're really looking at those five that you can use to kind of like, understand what's happening with you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:You said something interesting too, about, like, the chin.
Speaker B:When I had the laparoscopic.
Speaker B:Laparoscopic surgery to even become officially diagnosed with endo.
Speaker B:You know, they go in through the belly button.
Speaker B:I had for like a year.
Speaker B:It was a year and a half.
Speaker B:I was almost two years, actually.
Speaker B:It wasn't only on the chin.
Speaker B:It was here acne that just would not go away just from this surgery.
Speaker B:It's obviously there is.
Speaker B:I was on the healing journey.
Speaker B:I was getting rid of the seed oils.
Speaker B:I was still on the detox and all this other stuff, but it was so crazy that no topical.
Speaker B:Like, nothing that I did would make it go.
Speaker B:It was like, just there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, a lot of people are talking about this now too, and this is something that we're really looking at and trying to understand, which is what is the connection between stress and your skin?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So the stuff that can show up here, what you're talking about, this can actually be directly.
Speaker A:And people are calling this cortisol face.
Speaker A:I don't like that term, because cortisol is not your enemy.
Speaker A:But, yeah, cortisol, friends, show up in your skin as acne, Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:As the main stress hormone.
Speaker A:It does trigger inflammation, it does deplete collagen, and it does stimulate your oil.
Speaker A:Oil glands.
Speaker A:And when you stimulate Your oil glands, what are you going to do?
Speaker A:And to create more sebum, which is going to then create more acne on your skin.
Speaker A:So you know that stress does also show up in your face.
Speaker A:And I kind of hate talking about that because then everyone's gonna talk about stressing.
Speaker A:And I'm like, guys, we've lost the plot.
Speaker B:I mean, listen, we're gonna go through phases.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's a message.
Speaker B:Just, like paint the message.
Speaker B:Your skin is telling you something.
Speaker B:It's literally talking to you.
Speaker B:So you can listen or you can fly off the handle about it and, like, cover it up or, like, shut the up.
Speaker B:Don't talk.
Speaker B:You know, like, it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Again, goes into this idea of, like, how much are you fighting for perfection?
Speaker B:Or how much are you going to allow yourself to be free?
Speaker A:Yeah, like you.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker A:And this idea, like, how do you balance your hormones?
Speaker A:Everyone's like, you know, of course, we're like medical America.
Speaker A:So everyone's like, do I need to get on progesterone?
Speaker A:Do I need to get on testosterone?
Speaker A:I'm like, look, there's three things you can do that are very easy to support your body naturally, balancing its hormones, which it will do, because this is what your body is designed to do.
Speaker A:The first is, and you know this better than anyone, focus on your fuel.
Speaker A:Balance your blood sugar.
Speaker A:Make sure you're not getting these big spikes.
Speaker A:Pro.
Speaker A:Pair your carbs with protein and healthy fats to make sure that your blood sugar ain't split.
Speaker A:Spike it and then drop, and spike it and drop.
Speaker A:And we want those lovely, lovely rolling hills.
Speaker A:The second is.
Speaker A:Is, you know, my number one thing.
Speaker A:Ditch your endocrine disruptors.
Speaker A:As many of them as you can.
Speaker A:Just ditch them.
Speaker A:Try to reduce your plastic use.
Speaker A:Try to only drink the best, most purified water you can.
Speaker A:Only certified organic food.
Speaker A:I feel like a preacher here because I'm like, if this is my life.
Speaker B:Mission, because it makes such a difference, you can literally live in a different world.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:But these changes and it's like it doesn't become such a big deal.
Speaker B:You just do.
Speaker B:It just becomes your new standard.
Speaker B:Oh, I just don't buy it.
Speaker B:Like, the produce, for instance.
Speaker B:Like, there are some things I buy that are just non GMO and they're not OG or they're not organic.
Speaker B:But it's like, if I'm getting fresh produce, I'm like, oh, it's not og.
Speaker B:I don't get it.
Speaker B:And I call it OG Yeah, I.
Speaker A:Get it, I get it.
Speaker A:Original, organic.
Speaker A:No other thing is, you know, the last tip that I always tell people is manage your stress through sleep.
Speaker A:Sleep is a miracle drug.
Speaker A:It's free.
Speaker B:It's free.
Speaker A:If you really want to work on waking up happy, like, get to bed early.
Speaker A:And I always say a good night's sleep is actually starts in the morning.
Speaker A:So get up early, don't snooze, get your workout in early.
Speaker A:View sunlight.
Speaker A:All the good stuff that Andrew Huberman and all the other, you know, biohackers talk about.
Speaker A:There's science that proves this.
Speaker A:Start early, start in the morning, and then get your sleep.
Speaker A:Because as a, especially as a woman, like, we need more help than ever.
Speaker A:We need to support our systems more than ever, and we need less stress and more sleep.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Which, speaking of this sleep cycle, we talked a little bit about a really interesting idea.
Speaker B:I'd love for you to share about it.
Speaker B:So if you need a visual break, I want to talk about today's sponsors.
Speaker B:Oh, by the way, it's me.
Speaker B:I'm going to tell you a little bit about why I created this show.
Speaker B:I created this show because I have lived it.
Speaker B:I faced my and healed myself by unraveling all of the medical and pharmaceutical lies I had been told about my endometriosis and was able to heal myself after 17 years of debilitating pain.
Speaker B:My experience inspired me to literally live my art.
Speaker B:So not only did I create this podcast you're listening, listening to right now, I first created an ongoing art series about it called Every Phase.
Speaker B:All of the artwork you see in my clips and within this episode is from my Every Phase series, which will span for 13 years.
Speaker B:The pieces illustrate how I healed myself as I live by the phases of the female hormonal cycle.
Speaker B:So the artwork shows what's happening in the brain and the body during each phase and reveals how to biohack and leverage this energy in your life.
Speaker B:I want to share the featured art piece connected to the message of this episode, and it's called Mimosas with Todd.
Speaker B:This work was inspired by my late mentor, Todd Murphy, and his unforgettable dress series.
Speaker B:In its creation, I channeled a conversation because he isn't here anymore, with him on the other side with, of course, mimosas in hand.
Speaker B:And they're a lot better over there.
Speaker B:That dialogue and presence shaped the piece.
Speaker B:You see here.
Speaker B:A delicate white bodice suspended above a skirt of mimosa branches made as a cyanotype with the sun and Threaded with shimmering gold leaf.
Speaker B:Like Todd's dresses, it carries both beauty and transcendence.
Speaker B:Fabric, meaning foliage.
Speaker B:Body meeting spirit and the fun.
Speaker B:Finite meeting the infinite.
Speaker B:This piece lives in the ovulatory phase of my every phase collection.
Speaker B:And ovulation is the body's golden hour.
Speaker B:Radiant, magnetic, outward facing.
Speaker B:Very similar to this episode.
Speaker B:And here's the connection to it.
Speaker B:If ovulation is our peak, the mirror of our vitality, then our skin becomes the surface where that inner balance or imbalance shows itself most clearly.
Speaker B:Our skin is our body's art piece and message to us.
Speaker B:That's why conversations like the one with Elle matter so much.
Speaker B:Because when the products we use are laced with toxins and chemicals that kill us and disrupt our hormones, they're not just changing how we look on the outside.
Speaker B:This piece reminds us that our radiance isn't manufactured in a bottle.
Speaker B:Quite the opposite.
Speaker B:It's natural.
Speaker B:It's cyclical.
Speaker B:It's sacred and worth protecting.
Speaker B:So as you listen, let this piece be a call and an invitation to reclaim beauty on our own terms.
Speaker B:The creative, disruptive cycle that we as women.
Speaker B:And it's so.
Speaker B:It's the archetype, creator, destroyer, you know, Kali.
Speaker B:You can see it in many archetypes throughout many religions, throughout many cultures, throughout so much so many things throughout the Earth.
Speaker B:This cycle of creativity and then disruption.
Speaker B:And what does that look like for you?
Speaker B:And then how can others embrace that part of it without fighting it?
Speaker A:Yeah, that is such a great question.
Speaker A:Well, I think for women, we naturally, because of the way our cycle works, right.
Speaker A:In a 24 to 28 day period, we are all doing naturally.
Speaker A:Creative destruction.
Speaker A:Um, right.
Speaker A:Our naturally.
Speaker A:So it's very, like, inherent to us.
Speaker A:But, you know, I think about my personal journey and I think about how I had this really horrible thing happen to me.
Speaker A:Meredith.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I was totally sidelined at 39.
Speaker A:I was told I wasn't gonna be able to have children.
Speaker A:I was told I was gonna have to manage a chronic hormone condition.
Speaker A:I got a pretty diagnosed a pretty devastating diagnosis.
Speaker A:And I sat with that, and I was sad, and I mourned all of what that meant for a long time.
Speaker A:And it destroyed me a little bit.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And then in that process, I realized, okay, I have two choices.
Speaker A:The first is I can sit and wallow, or the second is I can take this pain and make it mean something.
Speaker A:And I opted for the latter.
Speaker A:I said, I'm going to take everything that I've been through, everything that I'm doing, and I'm going to make the worst thing that's ever happened to me become the best thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker A:And just that little mind shift is exactly what creative destruction is.
Speaker A:Through this destructive thing, I emerged stronger and my creativity came forward to say, great, and here's how I'm going to use this to propel me to do something that is now turning into my, like, you know, my IGA guy, which I'm not sure if you're familiar with that concept.
Speaker A:It's like the thing you're supposed to do.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And now, you know, now I'm not saying I love endometriosis, but I love my diagnosis because it has given me a place to do something meaningful with my life.
Speaker A:And it's not that I didn't have meaning in my life before I did.
Speaker A:Trust me, I'm a very happy, full, rich life.
Speaker A:But now this is something that I'm like, you know what?
Speaker A:I overcame something really hard, and there are a lot of people suffering from the same thing, and I want to help as many of them as I can.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So much you said there.
Speaker B:It's the greatest teacher endometriosis.
Speaker B:It's definitely been my greatest teacher pain.
Speaker B:The whole thing, the destruction, every single thing has benefited me.
Speaker B:It's just the awareness.
Speaker B:It's an available awareness to look at it that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's so true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I, you know, I'm so impressed with everything you've done too.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, thank you for all of your help spreading awareness, talking about how to manage the symptoms.
Speaker A:Because that's the other thing.
Speaker A:And I'd really love to talk to you about this.
Speaker A:I think as a.
Speaker A:As an endometriosis community, we have to do two things at the same time, which are kind of.
Speaker A:They're like, in contrast with each other.
Speaker A:We do have to raise our voices and complain about the gaslighting and everything happening in the medical community.
Speaker A:And yet at the same time, we have to be optimistic, find our way out.
Speaker A:And I think those two messages are hard to hold at the same time, especially when, as you know, as a fellow endo warrior, this disease sucks.
Speaker A:There are days when you can't get out of bed.
Speaker A:There are days when I feel like my brain doesn't make.
Speaker A:I'm like, this isn't my brain.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Or my body doesn't feel like my body.
Speaker A:I can feel the endo in control.
Speaker A:Um, so anyway, I'd love to know how you manage that.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Honestly, I.
Speaker B:And It's a journey healing, that's what I say.
Speaker B:It's like a staircase.
Speaker B:And the better it gets.
Speaker B:The better it gets.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Like, so you can't even conceive of.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, this is how I feel and this is my normal, but you don't even realize and you do some more detoxing or maybe you get rid of a few more EDCs or something and then you take the next step and it's like, holy shit, I didn't realize I could have this much energy.
Speaker B:I didn't realize I could get up in the morning like this.
Speaker B:And then that becomes a new standard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then, you know, there may be other days where it's not like that and then you do something else and it's like, oh, that becomes a new standard.
Speaker B:So it's like it's never.
Speaker B:That's why I say this whole like, pill for an ill kind of like society we live in, it's such a lie, it's such an illusion because you have to live is a journey, it is a lifestyle and it's a privilege to live it.
Speaker B:And as women, like you were saying, we hold polarities of so many things.
Speaker B:Like we hold polarities of being soft but also having that be our power.
Speaker B:That's right, because it's the truth.
Speaker B:So it's like we, we are the problem because we are the solution.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If you're the problem, you're also the solution.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And to this world we're the problem.
Speaker B:It's as far in the world is changing, but to the old world that's dying out.
Speaker B:Pharma driven Rockefeller medicine world.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We are the problem because we are the solution.
Speaker B:Because of what we're saying, because of the awareness, because of the positivity.
Speaker B:And regardless, even if we did live in a world where we had all the support, you still have to take responsibility for your health and you still have to do it on your own.
Speaker B:Like no one's going to do it for you, even if you have all the nice things.
Speaker B:And like we don't live in a toxic world where all this shit's thrown at you all the time.
Speaker B:Like you still have to educate yourself and get to know your body.
Speaker B:It's just we've had to do it in a way that's kind of like baptism by slap in the face.
Speaker B:That's what the silver lining of that is.
Speaker B:You really get to know.
Speaker B:You really get to know it because you're forced to.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this Is.
Speaker A:I mean, look, I'm a girl power kind of girls.
Speaker A:This is also like, the.
Speaker A:The beauty of what it means to be a woman.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because we turn around and we take and we say, I'm gonna take everything that happened to me and everything I learned, and I'm gonna give it to the next generation.
Speaker A:And this is also, like, an amazing part of the journey.
Speaker A:Like, the endo community is so giving.
Speaker A:We're all just sharing information, sharing insights, sharing what helps, sharing what doesn't.
Speaker A:And that kind of thinking is what's gonna get us away from the mentality of the east and right till 4 nil into true thriving.
Speaker A:Really figuring out how to manage a chronic hormonal condition for the rest of your life.
Speaker B:Yeah, totally.
Speaker B:And healing is.
Speaker B:You get to decide to go back to that.
Speaker B:You get to decide what healing is for you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Someone else's opinion doesn't have to become your reality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Very, very right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You get to decide for me, healing at a certain point, like Now I'm like, 10 times better, you know, then I would say than when I was on.
Speaker B:Then when I first said that I was healed for Mendo.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But that just healing for Mendo meant, oh, my gosh, I don't die every month in pain on my period.
Speaker B:Like, oh, my God, I could, like, walk.
Speaker B:Holy shit, I can get out of bed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, that to me was like, I'm healed.
Speaker B:Like, I can walk like a normal person.
Speaker B:Like, and not literally feel like I crossed over the other side.
Speaker B:And then it just gets better and better.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, I gotta tell you, your story hits home to me.
Speaker A:And, like, I'm like, choking back tears.
Speaker A:I try super hard not to cry.
Speaker B:You can cry.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It's so hard.
Speaker A:Like, it's so debilitating.
Speaker A:And to talk to someone that gets it is actually like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It makes me feel really seen.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because I can't tell you the number of days where I, like, couldn't get out of bed.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this isn't me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's another thing that needs to change.
Speaker B:That's a whole other episode.
Speaker B:The workplace.
Speaker B:That's in the workplace.
Speaker B:People being embarrassed about being a woman, about having their period, about having these issues.
Speaker B:No, no, no, my friend.
Speaker B:The entire office wouldn't even exist without someone with a period.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's shame.
Speaker A:The shame from.
Speaker A:Comes from being like.
Speaker A:I mean, look, I sat with this energy for a long time.
Speaker A:That's why it's.
Speaker A:It's like 10 touching, you know, a live wire for me.
Speaker A:But there is a shame of, yeah, why me?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:And I really don't like to be in that energy.
Speaker A:I like to be in, yay.
Speaker A:It was me.
Speaker A:Because I'm strong and tenacious and tough, and I'm gonna figure it out.
Speaker A:But to anyone listening that has Endo knows someone with Endo loves someone with Endo just know they have dark days.
Speaker A:And, like, just saying, I see you is awesome.
Speaker A:And like, that you get it.
Speaker A:Like, when you can't show up as your best self, you're just.
Speaker A:And you can't even explain it.
Speaker A:Like, you're just like, I just don't feel well.
Speaker A:I don't feel well.
Speaker A:And people are like, well, what's the problem?
Speaker A:Maybe, you know, maybe you're depressed.
Speaker A:Maybe you should get on an antidepressant.
Speaker A:And I'm like, this ain't depression.
Speaker A:This is something else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're not ready to talk about it.
Speaker B:Most people aren't at that time.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:And you know, periods are such a taboo subject.
Speaker B:Just like I was saying.
Speaker B:I don't fucking know why.
Speaker B:Because you wouldn't even be here to ask me that question without a period.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:That needs to become the normal, like, periods.
Speaker B:Yes, let's go.
Speaker A:Period.
Speaker B:Complete sentence.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Speaking of complete sentences, being seen, if you had a billboard getting a message out to millions or billions of people, what would it say?
Speaker B:And why?
Speaker A:That's such a great question.
Speaker A:It would say, your skin is a biomarker.
Speaker A:Listened?
Speaker B:Hell, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker A:That's the thing, right?
Speaker A:Like, we see our skin, we know our skin.
Speaker A:Just listen to what it's telling you.
Speaker B:It's a biomarker, and it's your best friend.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you treat, like, how are you treat your friend?
Speaker B:And your whole body is trying to talk to you.
Speaker B:It's like, I want to have fun and work with you.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Just start listening.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And, you know, that's the.
Speaker A:That's like the whole tool set we're building is like, how do we give this knowledge, this insight, these tools, these tracking this information to more people faster.
Speaker A:That's what I'm working on right now.
Speaker B:I want to take this time to thank you for having the bravery to face your shit and heal yourself by listening to this show.
Speaker B:Because this is more than just a podcast.
Speaker B:This is a movement and a necessary one.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:You've looked around at the world Today, if you want to live the movement or you want to go deeper into your healing journey, I've pulled together everything I wish that I would have had so practical tools, longevity and biohacking resources, insights, pain relief tips, healing practices, all the things most doctors won't tell you about into one beautifully designed free ebook.
Speaker B:Inside, you'll learn how to work with your cycle or with your body instead of fighting against against it.
Speaker B:What the mainstream gets wrong about pms, endometriosis and hormonal health why Pain is a Messenger, not a malfunction plus curated direct links with all of the juicy golden episodes that started it all.
Speaker B:Whether you're navigating chronic illness, endometriosis, burnout or hormonal chaos, this free guide will help you start reclaiming your power, your body and your truth.
Speaker B:Download it instantly when you subscribe to my substack newsletter, where I share raw stories, healing artwork and I write a badass email with the app.
Speaker B:That sounds just so incredible.
Speaker B:I know there's a waiting list.
Speaker A:There sure is.
Speaker B:On the website.
Speaker A:I looked, I'm like, you can join my list.
Speaker B:What can people look forward to?
Speaker B:Who are on the wait list?
Speaker A:Yeah, great question.
Speaker A:So we are almost, let's see, it's the end of this month.
Speaker A:We are are just barely getting out of beta.
Speaker A:We probably have another few weeks left of collecting data from enough people so we can confidently roll everything out.
Speaker A:And then once we start rolling everything out, we're going to take our wait list, which has a couple thousand people on it, and slowly each week, just add people.
Speaker A:We want to make sure that the app is helpful.
Speaker A:We want to make sure that we build something that y' all love that you want to come back to every single day.
Speaker A:And so we'll be slowly rolling that out over time.
Speaker A:And we're going to be building up to like, really an early January, bigger launch.
Speaker A:But I'm really excited about where it's going.
Speaker A:Got an incredible team behind me.
Speaker A:We just onboarded the former chief science officer of Calm, the app, and so she's, yeah, she's super passionate about what we're doing and just like building a great team of people that believe in this idea is awesome.
Speaker A:So that's really.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, if people want to join the waitlist, please, please go to same skincare.com right on the homepage there's a big button that says Join Waitlist.
Speaker A:We'll just ask you for a little bit of information.
Speaker A:We're putting people in cohorts based off of a couple of things about them.
Speaker A:And then we'll slowly start rolling this out and again getting feedback, making sure it's something you use, love and changes your life.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:And I'm sure there'll be little biomarkers.
Speaker B:You're like pre determined or like, I don't even know how to call them, like templates.
Speaker B:So like, okay, I'm experiencing this.
Speaker B:Like some of the questions I've asked you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What does that mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We call these protocols.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So based off your reporting, where you're on your cycle and then your own biometric data, we serve customized protocols directly for you.
Speaker A:And the protocols are really like what I call low cost, no cost.
Speaker A:So we're not telling you to buy skincare.
Speaker A:We're not telling you to buy supplements.
Speaker A:We're telling you, hey, here are things you can do with what you already have to actually help you feel your best.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker B:And it's so, so necessary.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In our world today.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:You're making me feel so good about my little life's mission here.
Speaker A:Because, you know, you get busy doing what you're doing and you start to self doubt.
Speaker A:That's also like part of creative destruction is you're like, oh my gosh, does anyone know?
Speaker B:Yeah, no shit.
Speaker A:As an artist, creativity takes brave.
Speaker A:You have to be brave to be like, I want to put this in the world and see what the world says.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker B:As an artist, that's my life.
Speaker B:That's every day creative destruction.
Speaker B:I live that.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:You get comfortable with going through that.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And it brings me to my favorite part of the show.
Speaker B:The finale biohacking with art question.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm not on the wait list.
Speaker B:I'm ready.
Speaker A:I'm ready.
Speaker A:What's the question?
Speaker B:If you could describe the impact and identity of the entire same wellness brand as an art piece, how would you make it and what would you choose?
Speaker A:Oh, I love this question.
Speaker A:Because in my heart I want to believe I'm an artist.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:You are really beautiful.
Speaker A:Okay, so imagine you're in a garden and the garden is actually shaped like a woman lying down.
Speaker A:And then you have herbs and flowers and botanicals growing in and around this woman and making what the woman looks like.
Speaker A:And this garden, which is shaped like a woman, would change with the cycle of a woman.
Speaker A:That's what I would love to do.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:So the garden, the actual foliage is creating the picture.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And I would actually call it like the Garden of Eden.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker A:Literally.
Speaker A:Because like, we are Life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And like a garden goes through an entire cycle and it nourishes you and the soil nourishes you and it's all Mother Earth, which is like, this is like a very, you know, San Francisco hippie dippy visual.
Speaker A:But I would love that.
Speaker A:It would be so fun.
Speaker B:It's the truth.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the truth.
Speaker B:And it's sad that some things that our people are, you know, reluctant or uncomfortable to accept we just label as like, woo.
Speaker B:But it, it's the truth.
Speaker B:It's the ground you walk on every single day.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:I'm alive.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And she gives so much and we don't even realize, like, Mother Earth knows everything.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Everything.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:There's wisdom in that soil.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's been around a lot longer than us.
Speaker B:Like, we should listen to those.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:And it sounds so beautiful.
Speaker B:It's very biophilic.
Speaker B:Everyone's been feeling the biophilic design is kind of coming back in people's lives, which I do.
Speaker B:It's so necessary with like the moss walls.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And bringing nature just closer.
Speaker B:Because what the fuck else is the point?
Speaker B:We live on this planet.
Speaker B:Like we're just living kind of in these fake boxes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, it has been so real chatting with you today.
Speaker B:Like my endowarrior sister.
Speaker B:Yeah, Please tell us, yes, tell us where people can connect with you, find you, learn more about your work.
Speaker B:We're going to list all this in the show notes, but where is it best to connect with you?
Speaker A:Go to same skincare.com if you are interested in that world and then follow us on Instagram, Same Skincare.
Speaker A:Or we're actually right in the middle of doing all of our new content and we're in September, which is next week.
Speaker A:We're going to be rolling out all kinds of beautiful, amazing educational content so you can learn about all of this directly on social media.
Speaker B:That sounds exciting.
Speaker B:Yeah, super cool.
Speaker B:So, like I said, we're going to list everything in the show notes and I hope everyone is able to take away something from this incredible cyclical, endowarrior filled conversation today to help them go out, face their shit.
Speaker B:Therefore, healing themselves.
Speaker B:Yes, healing their skin.
Speaker B:And remember, as always, the truth will set you free.
Speaker B:We will see you all next time.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker A:Bye.
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