Sam and David sit down with famed sportswriter Sam Smith (The Chicago Tribune, NBA.com) to go behind-the-scenes of episodes 5 and 6 of The Last Dance documentary. They talk about his decades-long relationship with Jordan and the Bulls as a beat reporter; the mixed reception around the release of The Jordan Rules; Horace Grant's role in his reporting; why MJ, Scottie and Phil couldn't get Jerry Krause fired, and more.

Plus- Sam makes the case for why the Bulls won exactly as many title as they probably could have.