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42 - The Three-Bite Rule: Mindful Eating or Diet Trap?
Episode 4512th November 2025 • 1,000 Waking Minutes • Wendy Bazilian
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It’s all over social media — the three-bite rule.

Influencers savoring  desserts, pasta, and pastries with the claim “just three bites.” The message? You can eat anything you want… as long as you stop after bite number three. Stop - Done - Basta!

But what does that really teach us about food, choice, or control?

In this episode of 1,000 Waking Minutes, Dr. Wendy Bazilian weighs in on the trend, separating fact from fiction. .

Drawing on more than two decades of clinical experience and  research in mindfulness and eating behavior, she explores why connection and awareness matters more than control.

You’ll hear  what the science  says about restraint, awareness, and emotional engagement around food experiences and Dr. Bazilian’s own three-bite ‘practice’- a mindfulness strategy she’s taught for over 20 years that is rooted in curiosity, presence, and joy at the table.

This shorter conversation is part of an occasional series where we unpack trending ideas and frequently asked questions with clarity, nuance, and credible science — all in service of helping you make the most of your 1,000 waking minutes each day.

FROM THE EPISODE

WE DISCUSS:

(00:00) Introduction and welcome to the episode

(2:51) What is the TikTok “Three-Bite Rule” and why it’s trending

(7:34) What science tells us about restraint, mindfulness, and emotion

(8:04) Three key studies

(13:29) Why flexibility beats rigid control — in food and in life

(17:11) Dr. Bazilian’s Three-Bite “Practice”

(22:34) How to apply the practice in daily life

(23:46) Reflection: choosing connection over control

(25:51) Closing thoughts

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The information shared in this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not be considered individual medical or health advice. Always consult with your trusted healthcare provider before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or medical treatment.

RESEARCH & REFERENCES

Watson, P., & Le Pelley, M. E. (2021). A meta-analysis of the relationship between eating restraint, impaired cognitive control and cognitive bias to food in non-clinical samples. Clinical psychology review, 89, 102082. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cpr.2021.102082 

Pepe, R. B., Coelho, G. S. de M. A., Miguel, F. da S., Gualassi, A. C., Sarvas, M. M., Cercato, C., … de Melo, M. E. (2023). Mindful eating for weight loss in women with obesity: a randomised controlled trial. British Journal of Nutrition, 130(5), 911–920. doi:10.1017/S0007114522003932  https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/mindful-eating-for-weight-loss-in-women-with-obesity-a-randomised-controlled-trial/FEBA9D60A940E6FC5C1FAD6D5C0B2E2F 

Peitz, D., Warschburger, P. What Are You Hungry for? The 9 Hunger Mindful Eating Online Randomized Controlled Trial. Mindfulness 14, 2868–2879 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1007/s12671-023-02263-9 

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People talk about the three

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-bite rule trending right now,

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like it's a secret to

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control.

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But what if we stop

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trying to control everything all

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the time, and instead learn

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to build connection and flexibility

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with our food?

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Maybe then, strategies like this

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could simply be what they

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are.

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Tools, not rules.

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We experience 1,000 waking

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minutes on average every day.

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How are you spending yours?

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I'm Dr. Wendy Bazilian, and

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you're listening to 1,000 Waking

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Minutes.

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I can't wait to connect

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with you here with practical

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ways to eat well, move

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daily, and be healthy, to

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optimize every waking minute you

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live for a happier, healthier

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life.

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Thank you for sharing some

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of your waking minutes with

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me today.

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Let's get started.

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I'm saying yes to better

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days, yes.

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I'm on my way, yes.

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It's gonna be okay, yeah.

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Hello and welcome to 1,000

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Waking Minutes.

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I'm Dr. Wendy Bazilian, and

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I'm so happy you're here

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today with me.

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I am going to today

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share a new, shorter format,

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a chance to take a

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smart and practical look at

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something that's trending and timely.

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Maybe it's a question that

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comes up, a claim that

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I keep hearing, and periodically

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I'll be doing these, and

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I have a few of

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them coming up that have

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been piquing my interest and

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have come to me through

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clients and friends.

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When we look at these

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trends, I'm going to offer

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some science, some context, and

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hopefully some professional perspective that

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you can actually use.

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What can you take from

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this trend, if anything?

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So today's topic is one

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that's been making the rounds

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on social media and probably

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in conversations that you've been

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around as well, and it's

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called the three-bite rule.

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Like many trends, it's not

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entirely new.

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It sort of circles around

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versions of this, and it's

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part mindful eating, it's part

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portion control, it's part just

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control, this iteration of it.

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I'm just to insert a

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little bit of my thoughts

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and opinions right up front,

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but people are sharing dessert

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clips and eating pasta and

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captioning it like, just three

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bites.

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There's certainly something fascinating about

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how ideas cycle in and

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out, and it's sort of

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like the return of a

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classic fashion style, you know,

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or a familiar song, but

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with a new spin that

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makes it modern into the

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moment that we're in.

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So this one came up

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recently.

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A client came to me

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who's really smart and thoughtful

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and not a person who

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chases fads, but she just

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sort of asked, "I've

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seen this three-bite rule

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all over social media, like

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I said, with desserts and

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pasta, you name it.

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And people say you can

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eat anything you want as

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long as you stop at

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the third bite.

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you stop.

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It sort of sounds clever,

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but is there anything to

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this she wanted to know?

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And honestly, I love these

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kinds of questions because it's

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rarely a simple yes or

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no, occasionally, but usually it

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just opens the door to

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a conversation and context.

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Sometimes I haven't heard of

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them yet as well, so

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I have to dig in

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and do a little research

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and see what everyone's talking

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about.

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But I've been seeing this

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one too.

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And in fact, I've been

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teaching my own version of

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a three-bite rule, which

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I'll get to in a

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little bit, but I've been

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seeing this version across TikTok.

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Well, I get on TikTok

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occasionally just to view.

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I don't post as much

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there, but on Instagram for

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sure.

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And in the digital and

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the glossy magazines as well,

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some talking about the trend,

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some also critiquing the trend.

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Some of my colleagues and

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friends have been very smart

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to get in on the

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conversation and offer their professional

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perspective, which I respect very

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much as well.

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So at first it sort

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of sounds, you know, elegant,

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like the three-bite rule.

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It's not about indulgence, but

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it's not restrictive.

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It's sort of like right

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in the middle, I think

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in the three bears here,

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it's sort of a neat

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and tidy middle ground.

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And you'll hear why also,

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because I do have a

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little bit of a three

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-bite rule that I want

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to share with you that

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I've been teaching.

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It's more of a practice

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and an experiment that I've

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used here and there for

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the past 20 years with

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clients or classes, depending on

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what we're talking about and

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why it would be relevant

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as something to engage in.

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But when I hear the

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word rule, when someone brings

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me a rule, there's always

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a little warning light that

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sort of sounds off and

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sort of like, gets my

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brain rumbling because rules, you

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know, well, not all rules

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are bad, certainly.

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I mean, there are rules

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of the road and there

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are rules that we have

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to follow in a classroom.

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There are clear rules that

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are important and good, but

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even seemingly harmless ones sometimes

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can shift from,, in

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this case, a mindful pause

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to a performance of

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control, a rule about three

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bites.

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And I think when it

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comes to food and nutrition

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in particular, we need to

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be very aware of these

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things.

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And this is where it

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gets interesting because in nutrition,

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as in life, when guidelines

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become sort of performance art,

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they're rigid and they run

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the risk of disconnecting us

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from the very awareness that

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they're trying to gender and

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build.

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So awareness or the ability

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to notice our own experience

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in real time is good.

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That's where our true flexibility

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and well-being begin.

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So let's talk about this,

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the rule, and I'm going

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to engage a little science

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to help us see where

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this all nets out.

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It's important to know and

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ask further questions when you

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hear rule, when it becomes

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sort of like more than

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a helpful pause and enters

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into control.

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And I start to ask

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more questions.

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That's sort of a scientist's

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mind, perhaps, or a curious

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mind.

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Perhaps you have it too.

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Like the three-bite rule,

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what happens after the third

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bite?

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You might wonder.

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Or what happens during those

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three bites?

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Because in research and in

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the real world, we know

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that following strict external rules

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instead of our internal cues,

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or at least a combination

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of those, can lead, when

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it comes to food, to

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guilt or rebound, mental exhaustion,

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and people at risk may

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actually enter into some slightly

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disordered eating behaviors.

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So it's important for me

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to say up front, and

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then we'll look at a

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little science, what does exist

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out there in this space?

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I want to say this

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clearly.

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There is no scientific research

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on the three-bite rule

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itself.

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So the three-bite rule,

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there's no one who's dug

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into the three bites.

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There have been some studies

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about control, about restriction, about

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hedonic pleasure, about the pleasure

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that comes from food and

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mindful eating.

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We do have some evidence

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about restraint and mindfulness and

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awareness, and that can help

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give us a clearer picture.

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But there's no science on

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the three-bite rule itself.

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So one 2021 meta-analysis

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in the journal Clinical Psychology

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Review examined 57 studies on

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eating restraint in everyday populations.

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So these were not just

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people with eating disorders, but

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everyday populations.

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And the authors found that

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rigid control, the kind that

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might say only three bites,

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then stop, period, was linked

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to more emotional eating and

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food preoccupation, whereas flexible approaches

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were associated with healthier eating

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patterns.

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So this review found no

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consistent evidence that people who

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practice eating restraint are more

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distracted by food or cognitively

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fixated on it.

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It's a common assumption in

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some of the older theories,

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but the authors did note

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that restraint, how we define

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it and how we measure

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it does matter greatly, and

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that rigid rule-driven forms

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of control can create mental

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fatigue, surprise, and reduce eating

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satisfaction when they override our

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internal cues.

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Think about that for a

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second.

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And I think that food

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should be satisfying, and it

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should be pleasurable.

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Maybe not every single meal,

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but in general, we should

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go in thinking that it

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can be.

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So in other words, the

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three-bite rule is not

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supported by science as either

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helpful or harmful on its

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own, but what matters is

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the mindset and flexibility around

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it.

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Another study looking at weight

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and emotional regulation, so I

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wanted to share this one.

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This is in 2022 at

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the end of the year.

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It was a randomized controlled

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trial in Brazil, and it

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was published in the British

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Journal of Nutrition.

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They ran a study, the

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researchers, that asked a very

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interesting question.

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What happens when you combine

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mindful eating with or without

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a traditional diet plan?

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So the researchers followed 138

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women with obesity for six

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months, and they divided them

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into three groups.

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One practiced mindful eating only.

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One followed a moderate calorie

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-restricted plan, and the third

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did both together, a moderate

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calorie-restricted plan plus mindful

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eating.

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Everyone met regularly with seven

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monthly sessions, and they focused

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on awareness, reflection, and mindful

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connection to food.

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By the end, all three

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groups lost some weight, but

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the real change wasn't on

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the scale.

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The group that practiced only

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mindful eating showed the biggest

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improvements in emotional and in

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their uncontrolled eating.

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So even without calorie restriction,

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simply paying attention to why

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and how they were eating

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helps some people feel more

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in charge of their choices

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and less driven by their

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emotion or the habit of

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it.

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This was mindful eating.

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This isn't rigid control or

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rules, but the practice over

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the course of many months.

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The third study and the

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final study I want to

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share today is about mindful

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attention and self-compassion.

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In a 2023 paper that

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came out, researchers from Germany

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tested a simple two-week

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online mindful eating practice, and

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this was published in the

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journal Mindfulness.

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They asked more than 200

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adults online to pause once

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a day and notice why

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they were eating, and they

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used what was called a

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nine hungers model.

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Like was it physical hunger?

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Was it boredom or stress?

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Was it out of habit?

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Sometimes I think of the

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HALT [acronym].

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Are you hungry, angry, anxious,

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lonely?

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Are you tired?

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But these type of things,

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the nine hungers model, and

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that's all.

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It was just short daily

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moments of awareness.

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After the two weeks, the

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participants reported less emotion and

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loss of control eating, stronger

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intuitive eating patterns, and greater

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self-compassion.

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I think that's important.

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So it's a good reminder

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that some small daily pauses

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perhaps, not food rules or

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restrictions, might change how we

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relate to food in meaningful

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and lasting ways.

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So while the three-bite

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rule might claim control without

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restriction by like one, two,

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three, stop, a mindful check

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-in might be more helpful

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in helping you chart progress

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and reflect.

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And that's exactly what my

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version was getting to, and

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I'm happy that science supports

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it because it was something

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that I looked at the

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science at the time, and

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it was something that seemed

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intuitively a good practice.

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So while there's no research

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that directly supports three as

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a magic number, there is

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some strong evidence that even

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small moments of mindful attention,

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just a few minutes a

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day in a way that

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we can reasonably apply, can

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help shift our patterns and

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our peace of mind as

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well.

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So I want to just

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mention to you and share

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how we take the science

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that is there about mindfulness

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and flexibility and self-trust

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and compassion, how can you

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make it something that you

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use?

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And that's where my version

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of the three-bite practice

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comes in.

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And I'd prefer to change

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its name to three-bite

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practice versus three-bite rule

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now that this three-bite

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rule is really creating a

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very strong line on one,

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two, three, stop.

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When I first saw the

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trend, I was a little

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taken aback because I'm like,

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oh my goodness, it's bubbling

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up.

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This is something I've been

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talking about for a while.

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I wonder what they're talking

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about.

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And long before it became

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a trend, it was something

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that we would do in

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the spa environment and classes,

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even one-on-one sometimes,

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not about rigid stops, but

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about noticing.

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And when I would work,

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you know, sometimes spending a

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week alongside different groups or

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individuals at the spa, we'd

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try on different strategies together.

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We would see what worked

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together for that person or

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that situation, having situational practices

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and working on them, actually

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practicing practices.

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That was the key to

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this.

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So sometimes it was about

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experimenting, like how to handle

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a trigger or navigate a

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moment of stress or a

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new behavior for now.

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And I put that in

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air quotes.

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How do you do this

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for now?

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Is it something you're going

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to do with flexibility?

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Are you going to use

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it in instances like this?

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How do you do that

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for now when you're working

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on a goal?

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How do you build that

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awareness and that particular habit?

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Other times, it was simply

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about finding tools that you

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can practice and return to

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again and again, depending on

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the moment or the goal

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that you're working on.

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Come back to it later,

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especially when life feels really

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noisy and busy around you.

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What I found from the

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conversations that I've had with

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clients and groups is that

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people don't usually crave rules.

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They crave clarity, a guideline,

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a roadmap of sorts.

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And I can't tell you,

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however, how many times people

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have just said to me,

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though, that said, just tell

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me what to eat as

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if like it's the absolute.

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And I totally get it

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because clarity is what people

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are seeking.

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They're not really looking for

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a strict list.

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You have to do this

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or rigid plan.

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Not really.

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Anyway, I have learned that

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they're looking for some structure.

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They're looking for some tools,

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something that will help them

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feel more confident and less

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overwhelmed and more in control.

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They're really saying to me

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sort of like, help make

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this whole thing easier for

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me, please help me make

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this easier.

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And they want a little

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structure, but they want some

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flexibility, too.

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So this is what the

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three by practice that I

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applied.

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You know, these are smart

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people that I work with.

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You're a smart person capable.

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I mean, you've eaten hundreds

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of meals, many, many, many,

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21 a week on average

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over the course of your

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life.

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You probably have a number

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of practices that already work

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for you when everything's calm

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and the stars align.

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The day started.

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Well, they work.

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But when you're faced with

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so many options, sometimes we

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need a framework or a

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way to pause or slow

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down long enough to actually

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connect with what's on the

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plate and how we feel

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about it and to pay

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attention to it.

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So my version of the

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three by practice is really

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about that.

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It's not a diet tactic,

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but it's about pausing long

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enough.

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And it's a moment to

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have a stopping point where

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you can pause to reflect

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and then say, what's next?

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What does come during those

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three bites and what comes

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after those three bites?

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So this is the way

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that I approach that three

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by practice, just to frame

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it up for you.

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Bite one, I call it

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the expectation check.

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You put food in your

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mouth and you say, what

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did I think this would

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taste like?

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Is it what I hoped

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for?

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Is it better?

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Not quite.

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For example, you put a

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strawberry in your mouth.

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You've probably had lots of

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different types of strawberries, one

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strawberry, but it's the flavor,

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the texture has varied depending

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on season, where you got

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it, if you picked it.

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Is it not as sweet

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as the one that you

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picked last summer at a

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you pick farm, for example?

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Or if you're eating a

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pastry, did the croissant you

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just bit into live up

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to the one you had

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on that trip to France

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a couple summers ago or

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in your favorite bakery?

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Is it flaky and buttery

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like that?

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Is it less?

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Maybe it'll surprise you and

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be even better.

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So the expectation check is

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that first bite.

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It's like so explosive.

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It's like your whole mind

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is trying to measure up

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against expectation.

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I mean, what if you

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bit into a juicy plum,

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for example, and it started,

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you know, registered in your

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head like broccoli?

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I mean, you'd be like

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shocked.

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Even if you like broccoli,

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you'd be shocked because you

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bit into a plum expecting

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plum.

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Or if you bit into

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broccoli and it tasted like

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ice cream.

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Well, you might like ice

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cream, but you're not expecting

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ice cream.

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That's nonsensical, of course.

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But the point is you're

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measuring on that first bite

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and it's so much in

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your brain.

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You taste it, but you

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don't savor it on that

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bite.

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The first bite is about

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noticing.

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Is it as expected and

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what's happening right now in

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your mouth?

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Bite two is savoring.

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This is where you let

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yourself like actually experience it.

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You're like, ah, yes, I

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had that first bite.

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Now you can savor it.

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You can use all your

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senses.

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You can feel the texture,

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the temperature, the aroma.

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Is it related to a

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memory in your mind, in

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your life?

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The second it's about being

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present to enjoy the food,

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not rush past it.

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And it's the moment to

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slow down and really enjoy

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it long enough to notice

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before it's gone.

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You can really get the

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senses involved here.

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And bite three is the

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context.

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You ask yourself, where does

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this food fit right now?

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Is it part of my

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meal?

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Is it a joyful extra?

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Am I seeking comfort?

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Am I celebrating?

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Am I just doing this

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out of habit?

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The third bite brings in

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the meaning of the moment,

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the why behind what just

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went in your mouth.

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And importantly, and I've always

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said this third bite is

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like the punctuation mark.

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Sometimes it may be a

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period, like a natural pause

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point.

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Yeah, I'm done.

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It might be a stop.

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It's the end of the

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meal.

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I just wanted to taste

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that.

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I'm good.

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Other times it might be

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like an exclamation point.

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It's like a wow moment

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when something tastes that good,

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even better than you're expecting,

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than you imagine.

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Like this is amazing.

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And sometimes it's just a

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comma and not a 'just'.

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I shouldn't have said 'just'.

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Sometimes it is a 'comma'.

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It's part of the sentence.

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The meal goes on.

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You're having the meal and

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you may have many more

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bites beyond number three, but

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the practice of the three

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is what matters in the

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mindfulness.

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So either way, whatever the

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punctuation is there, it brings

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experience to awareness instead of

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autopilot.

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And it also isn't a

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rigid, you must stop.

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It's not a judgment on

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your behavior.

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From there, you choose.

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You might keep going.

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It's part of my meal.

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I am not done with

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my meal.

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I need to eat a

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well-balanced, quality, nutritious meal.

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Or you might not.

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It might be a dessert

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that you said this was

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extra on top of it

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anyway, but I'm looking forward

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to it and now I'm

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done.

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The decision is up to

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you.

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And this isn't about guilt.

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It's about awareness.

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It's not a stop unless

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contextually you're at some end

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or if you were just

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experiencing the food to try

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it, frankly, or if that

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plum tasted like broccoli.

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Even if you like broccoli,

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you might say, you know,

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I've had enough.

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Thank you.

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Probably not.

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But just the idea of

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the three bites.

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So the goal again is

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not stopping.

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It's evaluating what's next and

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you choose.

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From that comes some clarity.

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That's what people are craving.

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And some self-trust.

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So this practice has actually

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helped many people I've worked

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with to rebuild trust with

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food.

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So it's not asking permission

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or following a rule, but

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helping open the door to

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have an inexperience.

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Having a tool in your

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toolbox that you can practice

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and feel steady with and

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empowered by about figuring out

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where things fit when life

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gets busy.

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So that's the practice.

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If you want to try

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this, if you're curious, experiment

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with it.

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Pick a food you love,

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something you tend to eat

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maybe quickly or automatically would

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be a good one.

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And then practice the three

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bites.

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Number one, the expectation check.

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What am I experiencing?

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How does it measure up?

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Number two, savor it.

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Involve those senses.

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And that's a mindfulness awareness

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experience.

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And number three, what's the

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punctuation on this?

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What role is this food

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playing right now?

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Period, exclamation point or comma.

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Do I want more?

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Am I satisfied?

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Do I need something else

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entirely?

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There's no right answer.

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No test to pass here.

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It's simply an invitation in.

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One mindful moment to experience.

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So take that as it

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may be.

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I think that the three

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bite rule reentering the sphere

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allowed me to talk to

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you about it today.

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So is the three bite

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rule good or bad?

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It depends on why, I

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suppose, and how you might

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be using it.

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So if the version that

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I mentioned to you sort

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of resonates, then you get

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to choose.

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The rigid TikTok version, however,

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I think is rigid.

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It's about control and I

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think it has a potential

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risk and may backfire.

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Any behavior that becomes so

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rigid that there isn't flexibility

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built in, with rare exception,

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can become problematic, especially in

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the food and nutrition space.

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When you impose rigid limits,

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what happens?

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What's the opposite of that?

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You're not really practicing the

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so-called moderation.

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So I love when it's

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in a guided way.

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So when you do it

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with a group or you

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do mindful awareness, then it

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can be really fun and

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meaningful.

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And when it's in a

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context with other behaviors that

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support your health, it can

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be positive too.

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When it can be supported

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by a person with credentials

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in this area, not simply

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a TikTok influencer, like a

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registered dietitian or a therapist

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or a healthcare practitioner versus

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the 'do-like-I-do'

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social media influencers that are

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abundant out there.

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And I think that it

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can help in that regard,

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if you call it the

Key:

three-byte practice, in giving

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you one strategy to try

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on and see if it

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fits for you.

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It's not about being good

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or messing up or doing

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it right.

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I really don't think that

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food is like that.

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It is about awareness over

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automation though.

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We become automatons sometimes when

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we're eating.

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We're not even aware of

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what we're eating as we

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put it in our mouth.

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It brings awareness.

Key:

It is about internal permissions

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over external rules.

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So allowing you to tap

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your internal cues and sense

Key:

that.

Key:

And maybe it's even more

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about connection to your food

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and your choices over control.

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So connection over control.

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