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Logically Using KPIs and Key Results
25th February 2022 • Radical Execution • Krezzo
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Learn how to decipher the differences between KPIs from Key Results in a logical way.

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Stephen N.:

Do we dare attempt the KPI ?

KJ:

Let's definitely cover it. Yeah.

Stephen N.:

Okay. What? How do KPIs factor into all this stuff?

KJ:

Well, KPIs are key performance indicators, and they

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do exactly that. They're a numeric value that indicates

KJ:

your progress or your your effort that you've exerted and

KJ:

your performance, their performance. Yeah, but they, but

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the subtleness between a KPI and a key result is this, every key

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result should be a KPI. But not every KPI needs to be a key

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result. So it's the environment in which you decide your key

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results. As we said earlier, they're both the same thing.

KJ:

They both indicate performance. But an OKR is designed to

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identify an area that perhaps needs improvement, or that with

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a touch of ambition can be brought further, you know,

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grown, so you're trying to basically. So key results are

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really just you identify the KPIs that are already in place,

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and which ones are at risk. Those are the ones you select to

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be key results are the ones that you want to improve, or the ones

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that you want to improve. Exactly. Yeah. So

Stephen N.:

like, you could log into Google Analytics, for

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example. And there's a treasure trove of data. I mean, you can

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slice and dice this stuff. And you can get down to as granular

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as I want to see everybody in Zimbabwe using Google Chrome on

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a mobile device. Yeah, like, that's a KPI. Yeah. Now, whether

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you want to increase that by 100%, if that's what you really

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want to focus on Zimbabwe is your jam, then that's a great

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key result. Because it's super specific. But more than likely,

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that's not something that you need to measure or improve. But

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it's that, like, I'm gonna, I think I'm just gonna make some

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bumper stickers that with what you said, you know, every key

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result is a KPI. But not every KPI is a key result. That's it.

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That's the metric. Yeah. And so a lot of this stuff kind of gets

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ambiguous, because there's plenty of like data

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visualization companies out there that say, Well, I got

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Tableau or Geckoboard. And I can build all these widgets, and I

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can create these really fancy dashboards and I can just have a

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real time view of of my business. It doesn't matter. No,

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it doesn't matter. I we could do that. Now. We you know, it

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doesn't matter if nobody's actually moving something

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towards that number. And focusing on that number. And if

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everybody's aware that that's the priority, like, and you're

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you're getting those dopamine hits, watching progress and

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watching the number go up. Like, if you don't have that, then you

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just have a dashboard.

KJ:

Yep, exactly. So really, that's it to summarize key

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results and KPIs. They are both numeric values that represent

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performance. And, in your example, there are all these

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numeric exact metrics, they're all lined out on a table, and

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you call them all KPIs. But when you decide to select very

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particular ones, in order to improve them with the sense of

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ambition, and drive that selection process, to bring them

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into an OKR. That's the process of converting them to a key

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result. Now they are key results, because you've decided

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out of 50 of these measurable things. I'm choosing this one or

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this these two, they're the key key results.

Stephen N.:

Yep. There's still a couple little things. I don't

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think we really touched on objectives, writing objectives.

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This. This is not as complicated I would say, as, you know,

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identifying your key results, but it's an important one. We

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talked about not including metrics in your objectives, you

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don't want to kind of that that's what the purpose is. The

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key result is to contain the metric the the objective is to

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give direction, motivation, clear vision of what you're

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trying to achieve what the focus is, it's we're trying to build

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the world's greatest OKR company. We're trying To be the

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best place to work for our employees, we're trying to

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delight customers continuously. We're trying to do whatever

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right, it's like, this is the motivation, the inspiration, the

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direction that we're trying to go. And that's, you know,

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important to put to paper and start to talk about and sort of

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break that down. Yeah. If you have any other thoughts on

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better objectives?

KJ:

No, I think you summarized it perfectly. And beautifully. I

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think the only thing I'd add is this some tips. writing

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objectives is your opportunity, as a team, and as a leader of

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the team, maybe, to think broadly, to step back, not be so

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narrowly focused on this is the metric we have to get from this

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to this, that will come later, this is your opportunity to

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really be creative, reflect on past, you know, performance,

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consider what is really compelling, everyone to act with

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a sense of urgency, what will really benefit other people,

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what will benefit our customers, what will motivate us here, as

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individuals on the team, these are things that you really need

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to discuss at length, and because if you just decide,

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well, this is our objective, guys, I'll have no more to say

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about it. It immediately negate the gates, the whole purpose of

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it, because it's not memorable, it's not motivating. And it

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really isn't anything to strive towards. So you want those

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components needs to inspire you, and you need to remember it. And

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so think broadly about, you know, have a good debate about

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it. And another quick tip is just, you know, maybe use an

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action word in, you know, become the world's best thing or, you

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know, build a greater product or delight. Our customers, you

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know, something, something like that short, sweet, and maybe

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some action oriented in this in there, that people can just look

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at every week, every month, every quarter, whatever and go,

KJ:

Yeah, I like that. I could strive towards that.

Stephen N.:

Yeah, it's your priorities. What are your

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priorities? You know, do you want to know your priorities,

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open up a checkbook, that's, you know, where are you spending

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your money and your priorities, you know, as a business, what,

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probably half your priorities are your people, that's probably

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where half your money goes, if not more, probably more. So

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like, that's a big priority, like taking care of your people,

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like spending tons of money building product, in maintaining

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product for your customers, like that's a priority, right, you

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got to make sure that that's surface, the top, you know,

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ensuring that the business is healthy, and producing money and

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generating revenue, and isn't burning cash like that the

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health of the business is a priority, like, these are the

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big priorities, and they got to be surfaced. And it's, it

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doesn't have to be unique to everybody, everybody's gonna

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have their nuances, but that's really it. It's like keep, keep

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your people happy, keep your customers happy and keep the

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business happy. You do that. Like the things below the

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surface, you'll figure out where you want to improve, where you

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think you can improve, those are your assumptions, your

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hypothesis, different metrics, that you have to move the needle

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on like that, you can do that. But you know, breaking those

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down in terms of priority is huge. I think the last bit here,

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though, that we did, we kind of touched on a little bit. And I

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think this will probably wrap us up. But we talked, you know, we

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made fun of a lot of the examples, you know, do five

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things that's just output or, you know, complete the project.

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It's at 80%, or 60%, or whatever. But really putting

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these different types of actions in the right bucket, using the

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logic model, I don't know if maybe you want to touch on that

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how to distinguish logically, you know, what, what would be a

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good key result, which is an outcome or an impact metric?

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Versus just, you know, tasks, actions, deliverables, output,

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hiring, what are what are some ways to kind of structure your

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thinking when you're trying to come up with these different

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ways of measurement?

KJ:

Now, it's great the logic model actually discovered I

KJ:

never knew it manifested or was originally came to came to light

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from an article WK Kellogg, no sort of performance management

KJ:

sort of article, but it's, yeah, it's a great model. It

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visualizes linear progression of you know, the relationship

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between your planned work and your intended results. So your

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planned work? Is your, your resources? No, that includes

KJ:

humans financial, organizational, you know,

KJ:

technology, capital, and then your activities, which is what

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you're going to do. And that's your planned work, what am I

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actually going to do the processes, the events,

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everything you're going to create. And then that all leads

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to outputs, which are, you know, the byproduct of the activities,

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what you produce. And then those are related to outcomes. And

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outcomes are how you change your one's behavior with the output,

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you know, if I, I am attempting to do all this activity, so that

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I can produce x volume of this feature or whatever, and then in

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an attempt to change the user's behavior, and finally, impact if

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we change someone's behavior significantly enough, we make a

KJ:

greater financial, economic movement or impact. So I think

KJ:

what would help if you tried to describe it in shorter way, and

KJ:

used a better example, maybe or a exam?

Stephen N.:

No, I think he did well, and explained it nicely. I

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think it's really I mean, there's, there's a lot of, I

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mean, you could look up the impact, or the logic model. And

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you can see that a lot of this is related to, like child

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psychology and child development and learning programs and just

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how to actually drive change. But it starts with resources,

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like it starts with your people starts with time, technology,

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money, that's where it starts, you got it, you can't do

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anything without the resources. Like that. That is, that is,

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like, logically, the first place, you can't build a super

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profitable business without people. Yeah, and time, and

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resources and money. Right. And, and even if you get all that

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stuff, you got great people and you got tons of money, you got

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plenty of time. If you're not working on the right things,

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you're not creating the right things. It doesn't matter. We

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raised money, we got great people, if every day, we just

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sat down and watched YouTube videos, that was our activities,

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we would quickly burn through our resources. But all this

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stuff leads to outcomes and impact. And I think

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understanding these is really critical, because they make

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number one, they make fantastic key results, because they are

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things that you can measure an influence over time. Short term

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outcomes are really about learning an action, right? Like,

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is is my are my customers aware of my products? How do they feel

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about my products? How are my employees satisfied with working

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here, like learning information about people and customers and

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your business? And, and putting those as outcomes is a great

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place to start the short term? You know, medium term, it's

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behaviors, its policies, its decision making? Like do I want

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to be a customer? Yes, no. Right? Like, those decisions and

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action and changes, like the measurable change. Those are

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great, great key results. And then really the the long term

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outcomes or the the impactful outcomes. And those are related

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to like you said, it's change in economics, you know, situations,

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it's environmental change, social change, things that just

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don't happen overnight. They take a long time, it takes like

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a year, right? Like the the impact your financial impact

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doesn't come about on December 31. Like, like the how much

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money made for the year doesn't happen on the last day of the

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year. It's a collection of all the things that you did. This is

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obviously not very logical, but it's the collection of all the

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things that you did throughout the course of the year that

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determines, did you hit your number? Did you not hit your

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number, right? And so like, now we're going into this, like, new

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era, whatever you want to call it, where we're trying to do

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these really big changes for like our planet, climate change,

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or God doers, writing books, you know, with plans in it, like,

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that stuff's gonna take a long time. And but if you can measure

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it, and you can see the Moodle, Moodle, the needle moving, you

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can, you know, start a movement. And so those outcomes are

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critical. And that's the logic model and it's a great way to

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frame any business.

KJ:

Well, I tell you, yeah, dad, right. Great way to and you

KJ:

know, what I'd say to everyone listening is go into our

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Knowledge Center, we have, you know, downloadable playbooks and

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worksheets where you You can see the logic model and see some

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examples of it. And I tell you why it's just just try it out as

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an experiment doesn't take long. I did, I really came to this was

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really sort of insightful when I discovered it. It's not so much

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the model itself, that's impactful and helpful. It's the

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clarity of thinking, that occurs when you create the model and

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put it in through your perspective, through your life

KJ:

and your business. That clarity of thinking is the benefit of

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the model. It's not the model itself, or wherever you go,

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it's, it's about actually creating it, modifying it, going

KJ:

through the process of putting it into your perspective. That's

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where you, you suddenly have all these epiphanies of like, Oh, my

KJ:

God, we haven't been getting this outcome. Because we haven't

KJ:

been doing enough resources, you know, we need a resource plan,

KJ:

we need add capacity there. And what activities why are we doing

KJ:

this many we should do those. So it's all the value comes from

KJ:

just that process of doing it.

Stephen N.:

Yeah, and we this is our simplified version, there's

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actually more complex visualizations of the logic

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model, but we kind of broke it down into three pieces. But to

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add on just one other minor detail, it all starts with a

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hypothesis. And it's an assumption, right? That's what

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it starts with. And to use a business example, every investor

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that invest into a company has an assumption and a hypothesis.

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And the first thing he's trying to figure out is, do these

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jokers know what they're doing? And if I give them, you know,

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resources, my capital, if I do that, in the long term, will

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there be an economic impact? Now, the benefit of the investor

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is they don't have to go off and find the resources. They don't

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have to do any of the activities. They don't have to

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drive any of the outcomes. They get to skip all that. Yeah, they

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go right to the economic impact. Yeah, now, they might be a

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little stressed along the way, because they can't control and

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influence things. But really, that's it, it's like, they have

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an assumption. And they make a decision, and they give

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resources and that the end goal is an economic impact. Or maybe

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they just want to do it for the betterment of society by

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donating money, and they just don't really care about getting

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money back. But like, from a company perspective, like we've

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had an assumption that there isn't a market here, that we can

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build product that we can serve customers like we like none of

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this is guaranteed, no matter how good you are. And, and so to

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do that, we needed resources. And now we got it. Now we're

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trying to build and produce stuff. And then getting in front

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of people, and letting them validate our assumptions. And

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then going back and saying, Alright, well, we got to do

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other stuff. And then going back and seeing what those like those

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outcomes are. And if you do all that stuff, right, and you're

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continuously learning, you'll get over time to a long term

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impact for yourself, your business, or even, you know, the

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society and culture around you.

KJ:

Fantastic. Well said, That's great example, you know, and so

KJ:

definitely, everyone go out and check out the logic model and

KJ:

just try it out with your team, you know, your company, you and

KJ:

as an individual, it's worth worthwhile. It's good exercise.

Stephen N.:

Good. And the stuff that you described though, is

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only that's only for customers. Only customers can log in and

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download some of this stuff, right? We don't have public

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facing Okay, so not everybody is going to be a customer when they

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hear this. Maybe they could be

KJ:

or they shouldn't be then a third assumption. What you got

KJ:

to do the customer you get all this great shit.

Stephen N.:

Angel hater kJ. All right, good stuff. Well, I think

Stephen N.:

we went a little long on that one. Yeah, my

KJ:

fucking legs are killing me. Oh, you're standing up. Standing

KJ:

up since nine. Ah. I've had these people do you know?

Stephen N.:

I've been I've been sitting all day. I just probably

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