Greetings and welcome to Season 2 of Conversations on Aging, hosted by Kimberly Gunn from Zoomcatchers.

Thanks so much for watching, listening, and sharing our content and continuing to believe in the power of podcasting to make positive impacts on our world.

This season, we have another lineup of great guests, many of them artists who are going to be sharing their aging journeys with us.

Today, we're going to be talking with Julie Collin, who is an award-winning actor, dancer, singer, and all around cool person coming to us all the way from Auckland, New Zealand.

Julie has appeared in numerous productions on stage and on the screen, including Slow Dating, written by Adam Zudrich, who is no stranger to the Zoomcatchers family. Slow Dating is a one woman show all about seniors and speed dating. And a 2023 sunny coast showdown winner. You know what we say? We're never too young to think about aging!

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Greetings and welcome to season

two of Conversations on Aging.

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I'm your host, Kimberly

Gunn with ZoomCatchers.

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Thanks so much for watching, listening,

and sharing our content and continuing

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to believe in the power of podcasting

to make positive impacts on our world.

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This season, we have another

lineup of great guests, many of

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them artists that are going to be

sharing their aging journeys with us.

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Today, we're We're going to be talking

with Julie Colas, who is an award

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winning actor, dancer, singer, and all

around cool person coming to us all

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the way from Auckland, New Zealand.

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Julie has appeared in numerous productions

on stage and on the screen, including Slow

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Dating, written by Adam Zudrich, who is

no stranger to the ZoomCatchers family.

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Slow Dating is a one woman show

all about seniors and speed dating.

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And a 2023 sunny coast showdown winner.

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You know what we say?

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We're never too young

to think about aging.

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So we're super excited to welcome Julie

to the zoom catchers virtual studio.

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Julie, how are you doing today?

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I'm great.

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Thank you, Kimberly.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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I know it's like a day ahead

and three hours behind.

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So I'm kind of, I get a little confused.

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It can

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Julie: be very confusing for everybody.

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It's the same.

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For me.

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Yeah.

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Kimberly: Awesome.

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Awesome.

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So welcome.

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Welcome.

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Welcome to the conversations on aging.

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And I want to give a shout out to Adam

Zudrich who made this connection for us.

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We're super excited to, to have

you on and to launch season two.

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It's all about artists and actors and

dancers and musicians and so much more.

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So I'm just going to briefly introduce

you, tell us more about who you are

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and how did you get into acting?

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Julie: Ooh, that's a big question.

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I am, I was born in England and

then I immigrated to New Zealand.

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But if you asked my parents and my

husband, if I'd started being an actor

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at a set period, there's no time.

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I mean, when I was a small child, I

was always the one up front wanting

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to dance and saying, and at school I

was the world's one, put my hand up.

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Can I tell a story and I'd.

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do some improv or whatever

came into my mind.

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So I think I've always

been a bit of an actor.

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When I, became a teenager and I was

thinking about careers and things,

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I'd been doing an awful lot of

acting at school, but I was also

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spent a lot of time in the art room.

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And when it came to going to university.

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I think you probably call it college.

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Uh, there was no drama school

in New Zealand back in the

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seventies, would you believe?

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So I decided to go to art school,

where I got a degree in, fine arts and

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then went on to be a teacher while at

the same time I was still doing some

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acting class and things part time.

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So I didn't get into professional

acting until Much later, my two children

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had been born, I had been teaching

right through, and I just thought,

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damn it, I'm going to do it again.

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So I started off trying to get back into

it, some classes and things like that.

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Kimberly: Wow.

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That's, that's great to hear because, you

know, I know for a lot of people, they're

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like, how do people get into acting?

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How did you, you know, get your, uh,

your, your teeth cut, so to speak.

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So, so it's exciting to, to hear that.

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And I Yeah.

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And you know, we are pursuing,

you know, the, the aging process

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and how people are still acting

and still out there doing things.

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So tell us more about what you are

currently involved in and how your, your

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career has manifested from when you first

started in school to where you are now.

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Julie: I guess you could say the one

benefit about being this age is sort

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of settled into a pattern really.

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I get invited to do projects and I

think that's because I have a, an IMDB

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page and a good page with my agent.

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So I've been invited to do a

short film just this weekend.

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So we're off to do that this afternoon

and I get to play a character who's not

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quite as typecast as usual in that chase.

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She's an avid member of a birdwatching

group, and she takes a younger woman

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under her wing, excuse the pun, and

they become very good friends due

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to the activity of birdwatching.

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So that's nice.

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You're getting mature roles that

aren't always, you know, grandma

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at the retirement village,

which is, is often what happens

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Kimberly: in the commercial world.

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It's just so great to see

you out there still doing it.

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I know you, right after this, right

after we wrap here, you got, you

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know, this other geek, so it's great

to see the, yeah, the, obviously

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doing it for some artists, they have

this idea of, Oh my God, when I,

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you know, hit 50 or 60, it's over.

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So, you know, what kind of advice would

you have for people that are at that?

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place in their life where they're

not sure if they want to continue,

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if there are going to be any roles

available for them in their years?

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Julie: Yeah, that's a very good question.

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I think one thing about being an artist

and being an actor, because you are

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basically self employed, So it's really

up to you when you start and finish.

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And I think because of the type

of work you can adapt it, you're

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flexible, you are experienced

and you can adapt it to suit your

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lifestyle and how much you want to do.

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You can say no to a job if it's too

scary, if they want you to do some

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stumps or something, you can always

keep painting or making ceramic work

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as long as you're physically able.

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And that's the beautiful thing about it.

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That It's just entirely up to

you that you can keep going.

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And I think there's something about

being older, which gives you, I

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don't know, a little bit more of

a relaxed attitude to your work.

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The pressure is not quite the same.

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If you're not having to support a young

family or pay a mortgage, then you can

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really start to enjoy what you're doing.

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The pressure, pressure goes a bit.

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Kimberly: You hear that folks, you know,

there's a lot of benefits to aging and

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you know, we, we lean into the positives,

uh, aspects of that conversation as

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opposed to the gloom and doom and oh

my God, will I be able to do anything?

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So, you know, I appreciate you sharing

that information and I find it very

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inspiring to hear that, you know, because

Like I said, I know in our country, we're

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here in the States, obviously, a lot

of actors are having a hard time even

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finding work, regardless of the age,

it's a very competitive marketplace.

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And so I was wondering if you could just

talk more about the landscape in New

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Zealand, how the market has been playing

itself out for you there as an actor?

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Julie: Well, I think we face a lot

of the same challenges, plus we are

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located at the end of the world.

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We market ourselves as a fantastic

location because we have, you know,

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a small country, but we still have

desert and mountains and beach,

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coastline, forests and everything.

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So, so we do try and encourage

filmmakers from all over the world

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and commercial makers for that matter

to come down and, and work here.

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But I think COVID.

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And then all the strikes last

year sort of upset the apple cart.

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And when you're making plans to go a

long way away from home, something like

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that can be a big hurdle to overcome.

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So a lot of acting work

has slowed down recently.

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Plus we've got the same

issue with television.

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The free to air television that we

have here is feeling the challenge

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because they're not getting the

commercial revenue that they were.

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So they've cut back a little bit on.

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And of course, commercials and

voiceovers is the bread and

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butter for, a lot of actors.

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I mean, that's how you pay the bills,

but, I guess that's being older.

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There are still commercials for

retirement villages and golf

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courses and things like that.

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So I'm, I'm fortunate like that,

but, yeah, you still have the

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same, go for a lot of auditions.

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You see other people in the room

who are of a similar age group

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and you know that, you know,

competition is still pretty fierce.

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Kimberly: It is a competitive

thing after all, right?

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And you know, some, somebody

has to get chosen in some way.

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So are you mostly doing all

kinds of projects, you know,

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voiceover work, commercials then?

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Tell us more about, about that.

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Yes,

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Julie: I, well, I try and keep

it very broad and flexible.

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That's one of the differences about

New Zealand from working in the USA.

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When I was in the US I was encouraged to

really focus on what was my niche and, uh,

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make sure that I worked hard towards that

and my manager and agents were looking for

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work which fit that niche very tightly.

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Whereas in New Zealand, you're

expected to be very broad.

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to do as much work as you

can, paid or not paid.

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I do quite a lot of theater, which

sometimes they're cooperative productions

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where you're not paid very much.

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You're doing it because

you want to keep fit.

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You want to keep in the world so you

can do your networking with other

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actors and directors, producers.

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Yeah, I guess that means that I

have to be a jack of all trades.

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Kimberly: The proverbial Jack

or Jane of all trades, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you have a preference for

the kind of work that you do?

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Is it commercials, voiceover,

stage, you're on the screen?

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Julie: I wouldn't do any of

it if I didn't enjoy it, but I

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really do love being on stage.

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Having that connection with

an audience is wonderful.

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And the immediate feedback, every

performance, you know, is, is a go.

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You can't stop and.

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and improve things or change things.

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You just have to be prepared

to improv if something happens.

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Every performance is a little bit

different, which makes life very

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exciting for you and the other actors.

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So I think that probably is

my first love, but I do love

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working for film and television.

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It's a slightly different

beast, but still a lot of fun.

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Kimberly: Yeah.

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And you know, and that leads me to my,

my next question, know you're from New

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Zealand and you had, you had a chance

to come here to the States and I would

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love to have you share that story

because it's so interesting to hear

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about your experiences here and what's

happened and how that all ensued.

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Julie: Okay.

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I hadn't actually even of

going to Hollywood.

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Well, I suppose I had dreamt of it, but

I hadn't thought of it as a real thing.

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Lots of the young actors,

especially actors who are

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successful here can take that success

overseas to Australia or America.

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And I'd watch them go and

thought my ship had sailed, but.

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Because of working with Adam Sudrich

on the monologue that, that has

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really defined my late life career.

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We worked on this monologue.

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I was directed by a young woman here

who picked it up and we'd worked

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together on some children's theater.

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And she said to me, Hey, I

found this really interesting

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project for an older woman.

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Would you be keen?

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And I read it.

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I loved it.

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We worked really hard and we went into

a competition in New Zealand and we won.

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One.

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That.

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So we sent a video to Australia to

Adam because we're very proud of our

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production and he loved it too and he

invited us there to put it on for a

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showcase that he was doing in Australia.

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So I got to know Adam personally, and

he is just a delightful young man.

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And he said to me, how about

we put this out there in the

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world and see what happens.

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And so he put it out.

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He applied to a number of different

sort of competitions, short,

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short monologue, short theater

piece festivals around the world.

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And we were invited by Short and Sweet

Hollywood to go on and put it on there.

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It's a competition.

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Where's our competition in

New Zealand lasts for a week.

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And it also has some, and some film.

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Over there it was a good three,

oh, probably nearly six weeks of

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dance, short film, theatre, Hispanic

theatre as well as, um, American

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theatre and visitors from overseas.

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So I went over, raised some funds, all

my friends thought it was very exciting

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and off we went and we took part in

this competition and I won my heat.

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Uh, which was unbelievable.

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And then of course they said, can you

come back in six weeks for the final?

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And I did, I had to do a

bit of fundraising around

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town to, to get up there and

everything, so terribly exciting.

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The radio wanted to talk to me.

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TV wanted to talk to me.

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It was my moment in the spotlight.

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Uh, so we went back to

Hollywood and I won the overall.

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Theater monologue section.

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And that's when I met, Michelle

Laje, who is Epic Talent Management.

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She came up to me after the

show and she said, Julie, are

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you represented in America?

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I said, no.

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And she said, well, I would

like to represent you.

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Can you think about a way you can get

up here to live and we'll work together

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and I'm sure I can get you some work.

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And I didn't take it.

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Super seriously, I came back to

New Zealand, I talked to my agent

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here, I said, what do you think?

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And he said, well, leave it with

me, I'll do some homework, I'll

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find out a little bit about Michelle

Laje, and we'll go from there.

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And so he, talked to her, he found

out what a wonderful woman she is.

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That she's straight

up, and totally honest.

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It wasn't a sort of exotic scam that I

might have fallen into and, uh, and that

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was the beginning of my trip to Hollywood.

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Kimberly: Yeah.

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Wow.

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That's, see, see folks, not all

of those, uh, pitches and scams.

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There's some, there's some legitimate

people out there offering real.

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Yeah.

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awesome.

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But then you had to, then there was a

little bit of a that was thrown, right?

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That, rest of that tail.

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Julie: Well, two curveballs in a way.

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It took me a good six to months and

quite a lot of money to get a work visa.

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Uh, so we finally got the work visa.

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And so, uh, 2019, my husband

and I, we shut up shop at home.

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We've got a big family home and a big

studio, and we basically just closed it

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all down and we headed off to the U S

and we had to set our, Self up there in

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an apartment, a new home, everything.

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And so things were

going along really well.

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And, uh, 2019, I was working hard

at class at my American accent at

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auditioning and so on, and I had

just started to break through.

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I've got a few parts that Michelle.

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My manager was very excited

about, and then COVID came

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along, everything closed down.

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In the new year, 2020,

we sat there for a while.

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A lot of other young

actors had to go home.

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They couldn't afford to stay in LA.

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All the agencies closed.

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All the production companies

closed down, Disneyland shut.

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That was our signal,

maybe we better go home.

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Kimberly: The money people are throwing

in the towel, we better split, right?

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Julie: Yeah, yeah,

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Kimberly: yeah.

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Wow, wow.

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And it's just so interesting because,

you know, obviously being here, we,

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you know, You know, experience that

new people in the industry that were

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impacted, but they were from here.

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And so being from another country and

having to navigate all that, I know must

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have been an extra layer of difficulty.

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And so you went back home and

then decided to continue pursuing

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your acting career and dreams.

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When we went

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Julie: home, we.

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naively thought the pandemic was going

to be over in three months or something.

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Everybody's very confident.

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We'll go home.

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We'll stay with our family.

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And they, a lot of people left Hollywood

as well, went home, stayed with family.

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We had no option but to go.

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Our family was pressuring us to come

home because we were having trouble

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getting medical insurance during this

period in America because of our age.

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We have medical insurance in

New Zealand, but our global

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travel insurance had run out.

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I couldn't get my SAG.

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after insurance because I

hadn't been working long enough.

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I couldn't get any private insurance.

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And we thought with the pandemic, there's

a good chance we're going to get sick.

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So that was a, that was another major

reason that we had to come home.

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We came home and then as the

pandemic panned out, as it

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were, it was much longer.

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My work visa in Hollywood ran out.

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So it was pretty much pick up our

tails and get back into life here.

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So yeah, every now and then I think

about coming back up to the States

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and if an opportunity presented

itself, I'd come like a flash.

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We love LA.

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We had a ball.

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We made friends.

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We had a fantastic time at the moment.

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We're here.

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Kimberly: Awesome.

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So you hear that folks, you

know that she's available.

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She'll come back out for

the right role, right?

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Absolutely Yeah, awesome now now I have

to see if I can hear your your American

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your American accent And you can you

throw something out there for us?

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Julie: Well, I used a little bit when I

was talking about Michelle, but I haven't

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been doing my practice, so I'm not so

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Kimberly: good right now.

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And then was it, uh, was it a New York

or Midwest or what, what, what type

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of an accent were you talking about?

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Julie: Well, uh, here in New

Zealand, we have this thing

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that they call middle American.

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Uh, and so classes that you go to here

for American accent, if you're going

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to work on an American production,

it's very standard American, which

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is sort of mid California, I guess.

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So it wasn't until I got to America,

Michelle said to me, hang on,

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you might have to do New York.

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You might have to do

something more Southern.

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You might have to do Midwestern.

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And so I had enrolled with a

very good voice coach up there

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and it was working really hard.

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But that was one thing I found.

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I think that might be one thing

that older people find hard.

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I, I found it really hard, hard work.

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Being British born, I can do a British

dialect pretty easily, and I can

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probably do Irish and Scottish and

Australian, but when it came to the

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American one, I had to really work at it.

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So for auditions, she was,

she was my tutor a lot.

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Kimberly: I would love to hear you do

a New York accent, that would I'm

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Julie: sure be fun.

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Ah, I have to do some practice, some

warm up, so no, don't put me on the spot.

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Kimberly: Maybe next time,

maybe when we have you

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Julie: back

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Kimberly: we'll go through the various

American accents, regional accents.

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Yes, yes.

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Awesome, Tim, do you want to talk a little

bit more about you know, the benefits

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that you have found from your acting

career just personally, professionally,

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as you navigated this terrain?

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I know, just in my own life, doing

some research and there's several

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researchers out there that they've

actually studied acting, the benefits

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of acting, on seniors in particular, not

just viewing things on stage or in the

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movies, but also participating in it.

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It's a form of stress release.

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It gets people to release emotions,

have different emotional experiences.

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Tell us more about the benefits

that it's had on you personally.

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Julie: Absolutely.

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You're right.

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I think using a full emotional range

during your acting is, is always

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good for your, your mental health.

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I think you get to vent.

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You also get to explore things.

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With other actors that you can't

do in everyday life, I guess, but

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there's lots of other benefits too.

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You have to keep fit.

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I did a theater production the

Christmas before last when I

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did have to do some stunts.

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I had to fall off a chair and it was

a little bit of slapstick comedy and

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I had to be fit to be able to fall

around without getting too bruised

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and battered and hurt my back.

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So going to yoga, we ride our bicycles.

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Out in the forest, we walk, we, go

to the gym, we swim, and I go to

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dance class and things like that.

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Dancing is especially good for keeping

fit aerobically as well as flexibility.

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So from a mental health and a physical

health, it's really, really good for you.

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Plus all that memorizing of lines.

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I can be introduced to somebody

and forget their name five minutes

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later, but I can remember a script.

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I mean, work that out.

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That's.

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That's kind of bizarre, but it's true.

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So I think, I think it's a

bit like doing crosswords.

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It's really, it's really good,

uh, good for my brain as well.

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Kimberly: You hear that folks?

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So get out there, take

those acting classes.

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Get on stage.

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It'll help with your, your

physical well being as well as your

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emotional and spiritual well being

and help you remember some lines.

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Awesome.

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So we're here with Julie Coles

and she's coming all the way

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from Auckland, New Zealand.

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Thank you so much for being here a day

into the future and three hours behind.

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That's how I remember

what time it is there.

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And I want to, you know, talk about

the, the piece that I know that

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you're well known for, and that's Slow

Dating and Speed Dating for Seniors.

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It's a piece that I know that you're

well known for, and that's Slow, Slow

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Dating and Speed Dating for Seniors.

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It's hysterical.

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I really, really love that piece.

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Tell us more about

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Julie: that, and then we'll hear

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Kimberly: some excerpts from that.

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Julie: Okay.

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Slowdating is, yeah, it's It's a poignant

piece, but it's humorous as well.

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And I think that's, that's

pretty good philosophy for life.

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You know, if you can laugh at the

bad times and laugh at the difficult

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times, you'll, you'll do well.

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It's, it's about an elderly

woman who is sort of enticed

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into a speed dating situation.

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She is going through.

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a difficult time in her life.

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She approaches the speed

dating very flippantly.

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It's, it's sort of not a

serious thing at all for her.

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She sees herself as perhaps a little

bit, um, above this sort of proceedings

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or, not really taking it very seriously,

but anyway, she gets, she gets

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caught up in the, uh, the event and

interesting things pursue after that.

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I shouldn't tell you any more

because that will, that will give

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away the punchline at the end.

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Kimberly: Absolutely.

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So, you know, we would love

to hear an excerpt from that.

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Okay.

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Well, as chance would have it, I found

myself passing by the event some weeks

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later and curiosity got the better of

me, so I go in for a little look see.

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And it's filled with all these women,

all primed and plucked and held together

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with Botox and spandex controlled pets,

all sitting cross legged at these little

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tables with their skirts hitched up.

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Just enough to show that

their libido isn't incognito.

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And the men, not one under eighty.

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Struggling up from their chairs onto

walking sticks and Zimmer frames.

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Oh dear, squinting so badly

through their cataracts that they

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wander off to the wrong tables.

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Too deaf to hear the

conversations they're having.

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And no memory to remember they sat

with the same woman three times.

436

Dear old Bob tells me all

about his bladder infection.

437

Harold asked me if my hair was real.

438

And Jim rolled his dentures around

like he was sucking on gumballs.

439

And as I sat there pitying these

sad Sad souls, all just wanting

440

to feel less alone for a moment.

441

And then I thought, you know

what I would do if I were in

442

charge of this speed dating?

443

I'd run proceedings like one of

those restaurant sushi trains.

444

I'd put all the men on the conveyor

belt and let the women pick out

445

the ones that still smelled fresh.

446

Ha ha ha.

447

But the bell rings and the men move, and

I hear the clickety clackety of gumball

448

Jim coming back for a second bite.

449

So I, I grab my handbag and stand,

just as this gentleman sits down.

450

Kimberly: Awesome.

451

I just love that piece.

452

That's just a little teaser.

453

We won't reveal the whole piece.

454

But there's, you know, hopefully

people will get a chance

455

to see that at some point.

456

Because there's a lot to unpack with that.

457

We're going to go into some

more details about that story.

458

Because I think for a lot of

people, ill resonate and dating, you

459

know, dating in your golden years.

460

Um, there's some issues around,

uh, dementia and, and elder care.

461

So why don't you, you know, talk a

little bit more about some of the, the

462

other issues that the piece touches

on that you didn't necessarily mention

463

in that, that part of the model.

464

Of course.

465

Julie: the modernogue refers to her being

a happily married woman, and she refers

466

to her husband the number of times that

they've been married for a long time.

467

And, uh, And how much

they love each other.

468

But then, during the um,

events that Uh, continue.

469

She actually does hook up with

one of the gentlemen that she

470

meets at the speed dating.

471

And so, uh, so I am letting,

letting the punchline away.

472

She, she feels a terrible guilt.

473

And the audience is asked to think.

474

You know, what's going on here?

475

Why is she feeling so guilty?

476

Why is she referring to her husband?

477

And yet she turned up at the

speed dating and she met this

478

chap and they went off together.

479

So it's a, it's a dilemma that She has

found herself in because it turns out

480

that she's not a widow, her husband is

still very much alive, but unfortunately

481

he's in care, he's had dementia for

some time, and she nursed him at home

482

for a while, but then he went into

care because she couldn't continue

483

doing that, so, so you have this this

terrible situation that I think a lot

484

of people probably find themselves in.

485

A loved one probably no longer even

recognizes them, but they still love them.

486

They're still the same person.

487

They're still flesh and blood

and they visit them every

488

day and spend time with them.

489

And yet a whole part of

their life has gone really.

490

But they can't mourn like they

could if this partner had died.

491

They're in limbo.

492

So what happens to their life?

493

Does their life sort of hang in the

balance or do they have to think about

494

Getting out there again, and this is

where the speed dating thing came in.

495

It was one way of perhaps an older person

hooking up with, with a new partner.

496

Uh, even, even if it's just for

friendship, because the monologue touches

497

on, you know, do you just want company?

498

Do you just want to be

less alone, less lonely?

499

Uh, and spend time with somebody

that you can enjoy their company

500

and enjoy doing things together.

501

You might want to play golf

or tennis or, or go to the

502

theatre or something together.

503

at the back of your mind, you always

have this, am I, am I cheating?

504

Am I, am I letting him down?

505

My husband down?

506

Am I, am I doing something bad?

507

And I think another part of that is,

do your friends and family approve?

508

Because they still know

your husband is alive.

509

They still love them and visit

them and spend time with them.

510

So how do they feel about you thinking?

511

I still have a life.

512

I still want to move forward.

513

So, so that just adds to the guilt and

complexity of the particular issue.

514

And I think there's probably more

people than we realize out there having

515

to deal with these sorts of issues.

516

Kimberly: Mm hmm.

517

Mm hmm.

518

And thank you so much for reading that.

519

If people get a chance to, to see that,

hopefully it'll be, Well, more screens,

520

you know, for to, to check out, you

know, it's a very interesting piece.

521

You did a great job and that's

a one, one woman, one woman

522

monologue, a one woman show.

523

But it does touch on all those

issues that you brought up.

524

It's like so many people are

dealing with elder care, taking

525

care of a spouse or family member.

526

In this case, you know, spouse, someone

that they were once intimate with.

527

They're no longer able to be intimate

in that way because of dementia or

528

Alzheimer's or for some people could be

physical disabilities as well and but

529

how do you you know navigate that and

move forward and still find a way to

530

Have relationships that may be intimate

without betraying somebody maybe right

531

or without exactly guilty And you know

what what are appropriate feelings and

532

and this is one of the first pieces

that I've seen that's actually addressed

533

You Those issues in this kind of way.

534

Julie: Yeah, Adam is

a, is a superb writer.

535

I mean his words are Beautifully

written, but also he touches on a

536

lot of these sorts of issues about

Relationships and how they work out

537

over a period of time And even though

he doesn't really emphasize it.

538

It's overtly, thought about that

older people are still sexually

539

active and still interested in sex.

540

And, and it's a very important part

of your, your health and wellbeing.

541

And even though our children

might, uh, throw their hands up in

542

horror at the very idea of it all.

543

But it, but it's true.

544

And, uh, uh, people.

545

Um, do need to think about that what

happens in that respect as you get older.

546

Kimberly: And you know, just this topic,

it touches on a lot of different things.

547

And I don't know if there's, if you have

the show down in New Zealand, but here

548

there's a show called the Golden Bachelor.

549

Plugging the show necessarily, but,

you know, the show that features,

550

you know, people in their golden

years still dating, and so, you know,

551

we're probably going to see more,

552

more content about that, more

pro aging content, shall we call

553

it, um, but there's, you know, a

lot to, to unpack just with that.

554

that topic, and how are

older people handling that?

555

Are they talking about

it with family members?

556

Are their children having

any types of reactions?

557

Or, even in, in circles, you know,

friends and things like that,

558

Julie: Yes, well, it does

come up a little bit.

559

I have a group of friends, We call

ourselves Rent A Crowd, because when

560

we were young, we were always very

lively and often invited to parties to

561

sort of make sure it went with a swang.

562

We met when our babies were all born.

563

It started off with one of those groups

of women supporting each other through

564

Childbirth and then babyhood and we used

to get together often over a coffee and

565

then we started getting together on a

Friday night and we'd have a glass of

566

wine and it was very much how were we

dealing with sleepless nights and so on.

567

So anyway over the years the babies grew

and then it became how are we dealing

568

with the kids at school, how are we

dealing with teenagers as well as our

569

own career, going back to work as you

know slightly older parents and now

570

we're all Semi retired and still friends.

571

So the kids have grown up, moved away.

572

They've all had their own children.

573

So they have their issues

that we can talk about.

574

We can compare our photos of

our beautiful grandchildren.

575

but we can discuss other

things than, than our children.

576

And we do discuss our health.

577

It's, it's almost inevitable that we get

together and, you know, who's been in

578

hospital recently and for what reason?

579

How are your knees holding up?

580

Yeah, exactly.

581

Who's booked in for

their knee replacement?

582

Who's going to the physio

or the chiropractor?

583

Uh, and, and sexuality is

a bit of, about that too.

584

It tends to be probably more

talked about amongst, amongst

585

women rather than the mixed group.

586

but yeah, it has been, especially

if we go away on holiday together.

587

So we're all sharing it.

588

sharing a holiday home, then we

get the opportunity to discuss, uh,

589

activities in the bedroom or whatever.

590

So, uh, yeah, we still talk

about all that stuff and, and

591

things that change with that.

592

Um, whether we need more lubrication,

et cetera, which is a common thing.

593

So, um.

594

Yeah.

595

Kimberly: I love it because, you

know, we're handling a couple of taboo

596

subjects, aging and, uh, and sex and

the combination of those two together.

597

And I know for some people,

they're like, Oh my God, the

598

thought of grandma having sex.

599

I'm like, well, you

know, we're still humans.

600

People are still having feelings and,

and I think it's just interesting and for

601

people that are watching or listening, if

you have any experience or insight, please

602

Put a comment in the comment section.

603

Absolutely.

604

Any insights, any, any advice, any,

um, any recommendations on brands

605

of products would be awesome too.

606

Yes.

607

But it does cause I've done, I've

done some research on this topic.

608

It does bring me, bring us up to the

topic of dating tips for seniors.

609

So there are organizations and agencies

that, offer up some dating tips.

610

And some of my tips are coming from

the National Council on Aging here

611

in state And so I'm going to read

off of a couple of them, and please

612

feel free to comment or add on.

613

Uh, so one of the things they

say is to meet in public.

614

So if you're meeting maybe someone for

the first time, don't invite him or her

615

to, or them to your place, or go to their

place, but actually find a place to meet

616

in public, obviously for safety reasons.

617

Okay.

618

they also say stick to your boundaries.

619

So, you know, one of the advantages,

and you talked about this earlier.

620

of clocking all these years.

621

Hopefully you've gained

some wisdom, right?

622

You kind of know what you want,

you know what you don't want.

623

And so they say, you know, stick to the

boundaries that you have and things that

624

make you feel comfortable as a person.

625

And you should, have a clear idea

of that hopefully by now, right?

626

They also say discuss intimacy up front.

627

So whatever, intimacy issues you

have, what your needs are, maybe you

628

want to move slow, like slow dating,

you want to move a little slow,

629

maybe you want to move fast, right?

630

But they say, communicate those

things, early on and they also say

631

never give or send anyone money.

632

so someone's, you know, saying I

need 50 grand to, to invest in,

633

to have you invest in this deal.

634

Like, no, so, so don't do that.

635

Um, and they say, be patient.

636

Things aren't going to necessarily blossom

overnight, so be patient with yourself.

637

If you feel that you need

to take more time with the

638

relationship, that is totally fine.

639

Um, and then they say practice

safe senior dating online.

640

I don't know if you want to

comment on any of those things.

641

Or none of this.

642

Or do you have any tips as well?

643

Julie: I think it's very good advice.

644

And I think going out for a coffee

or a glass of wine, not even a

645

commitment to, you know, dinner or

something, it's a really good start.

646

And I don't think that, um,

changes whatever age you are.

647

I think that's definitely a key.

648

A safety thing.

649

And plus you want to be honest and

up front and you hope the other

650

person you're meeting is going to be

honest and up front about, you know,

651

what you're looking for in this,

uh, relationship, this partnership.

652

Um, so yeah, I think, I think

you're absolutely right.

653

You can, you can get advice from

lots of other places, but really you,

654

most people have an inner voice that

tells them when things are not, not

655

going well or, or not quite right.

656

And like you say, the thing about

money, I know a lot of people fall into

657

that, especially with online dating.

658

Just send me some money to get me outta

trouble or to lend me for a short while.

659

And, and then, uh, they never get it

back or hear from this person again.

660

Plus, don't get on a

plane and fly somewhere.

661

You know?

662

Meet me in Honolulu, baby.

663

We'll have a good time.

664

. I mean, . Yeah.

665

Protect yourself.

666

Protect yourself.

667

And like you say, be patient with

yourself and, and give yourself, um,

668

some leniency to, to take things.

669

Uh, at your own pace, definitely.

670

Kimberly: Yeah.

671

And also for people, you know, if

they've got, uh, family members that,

672

who may object, it's like, maybe they

should butt out and mind their business.

673

I mean, if they're, if you're, you know,

you're an adult and if you have your,

674

your faculty together and you feel like

you're not being taken advantage of,

675

it's like, uh, live a little, right?

676

What, what, what does align

the, uh, relationship?

677

From the monologue, your skirt was

raised just enough to show that

678

Julie: your libido is incognito.

679

I know, it's one of my favorite lines.

680

Kimberly: If you still got those

Tina Turner legs, get out there

681

and make it happen for yourself.

682

Julie: Absolutely.

683

Absolutely.

684

So those are just some

685

Kimberly: dating tips that I found online.

686

You know, we're having fun with

it, but it is serious business

687

and for a lot of people Yeah.

688

There, you know, maybe there you have it.

689

or they've been divorced, or

they have X, Y, and Z reason

690

why they still want to date.

691

Just be safe, be smart.

692

You know if you've been living,

you've clocked all these years,

693

so trust your, your inner.

694

And don't pick someone like that last

person that you left, how's that?

695

Go in a different direction.

696

Julie: That sounds good,

697

Kimberly: yeah.

698

Julie: Awesome,

699

Kimberly: we're here with Julie Coles

we're talking all about uh, slow

700

dating, speed dating for seniors,

tips, acting, and so much more.

701

Do you want to talk about, um, just

some of the, the trends that, that we,

702

that I've noticed, I know you've noticed

too, pro aging content, I've been,

703

I did a lot of research for this program.

704

Kimberly: You know, what I was

surprised to learn was that the

705

average age for A list actors actually

has risen over the past 20 years.

706

And some of the big box office,

movies, they had the star with someone

707

that was in the 50s and 60s 80s.

708

So yeah, yeah.

709

Talk about that.

710

And I think as we, as our societies are

aging, we're probably going to see more

711

pro, aging content, more, more actors in

the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s still out there.

712

So what are your thoughts about that?

713

Julie: Well, we all look to the

Helen Mirrens and the Glenn Close

714

real women and they're doing wonderful

work and finding roles which really can

715

stretch them and are not stereotypical.

716

I think a lot of that is to do with

working your own network and this is

717

something I learned a lot about when

I was in The U S that you need to

718

be involved right from the word go.

719

So people are writing their own material

or finding the book, and then they're

720

looking at how can they produce this?

721

How can they get a team around

them that can put things together?

722

And I do know that, that some

of these pieces with, with older

723

actors, that they're involved

right from the very get go in it.

724

And I've been, I've picked up that tip.

725

When I was in the U.

726

S.

727

and I had never thought

of myself as a writer.

728

I always thought stick to your

knitting and do what you do, do well.

729

But, um, everybody in Hollywood

is, is busy writing screenplays or

730

theater pieces and so I have been

doing that and so I'm currently

731

starting to work on a new monologue.

732

A little bit longer one.

733

this time.

734

The last one was 10 minutes long,

so I'm really going to stretch

735

the memory a bit more and try

and do one a little bit longer.

736

But, um, you still have to do the

networking that the young kids

737

do to have to get into things.

738

And I think, um, people like the

aforementioned Jamie Lee Curtis and

739

people who already have an established

name can sometimes use that.

740

But for those of us that don't,

it's a matter of searching for

741

those niches and they are there.

742

I mean, that was one of the

things that really interests me.

743

Michelle, my manager.

744

said, uh, there are parts coming up

for older people, not always the

745

main role, sometimes supporting.

746

but they are real everyday

folk who are of an age.

747

Not everybody wants to watch

the young and the glamorous.

748

They want to watch real people.

749

And so you'll laugh, but one of the

things that was written into my contract

750

was that I wasn't going to go out and

have a facelift or, or fill my lips with

751

Botox, that I would stay a natural woman.

752

And so that was seen as a,

as a, an attractive thing.

753

for America that they, they were

looking for real people and, and

754

the diversity thing where people of

all genders, races, and ages were

755

really actively being promoted.

756

So that's a wonderful thing.

757

It's a little bit slower in New Zealand,

probably when we're not quite there yet,

758

but It's slowly getting there, I think.

759

Kimberly: Awesome.

760

So you hear that folks, not everybody's

looking for someone with Botox and, uh.

761

Yeah.

762

Nothing wrong with that, but, uh.

763

Nothing wrong with

764

Julie: those wrinkles.

765

Nothing wrong with that gray hair.

766

No.

767

Embrace it and love it.

768

Kimberly: Embrace it and love it.

769

Yeah.

770

What would you say to, you know,

producers or content creators or

771

screenwriters as far as writing

more roles for, aging people?

772

Absolutely.

773

What do you hope to see in that regard?

774

Julie: I would encourage them to

look at your community that's around

775

you and look at the people that

make up that community and they're,

776

they are a very diverse group.

777

and so writing about a whole group of,

uh, 20 somethings having a wonderful

778

glamorous time is, you know, has its

limits and it's the same with gender.

779

I, I, often talk to my agent here and

say, let's run through the cast list

780

of this new film or this new TV series.

781

And we'll run through it.

782

And it is, you know, 75 percent male,

at least often more, and it is 75

783

percent people under the age of 40.

784

And so I would say encourage

people to Look at real life and,

785

and think about making your group

a little bit more realistic.

786

And I think that is happening in

America and in, England as well.

787

Um, their detective stories,

the detectives, not this young

788

glamorous thing in a miniskirt.

789

She might be, uh, elderly and

driving a Jeep, you know, it can be

790

Kimberly: really varied.

791

Right.

792

It's like, I can play other roles

other than someone's grandmother.

793

I mean, really

794

Julie: just absolutely,

795

Kimberly: yeah, there's

nothing wrong with that role.

796

Right.

797

But awesome.

798

Awesome.

799

Awesome.

800

Well, it was so nice talking

to you and hearing about your.

801

Acting journey and your experiences and

I do want to move into talking more about

802

New Zealand, finding out more about your

country and we are talking about aging

803

and so I know we've had opportunities to

talk offline about some of the cultural

804

differences that may exist or similarities

between how people perceive, you know,

805

aging and how they're handling it.

806

And also, um, just issues around social

security and pension and how those

807

are being handled in your country.

808

So I'd love to hear more about that.

809

Okay.

810

We're

811

Julie: very fortunate at the age of

65, every single person is eligible to

812

pick up the national superannuation.

813

And it's not a huge amount

of money, but it is.

814

enough to just live on.

815

Most people try to have some savings

in the bank, try to have maybe a

816

property or something so they have

got a little bit extra if they want

817

to travel and really enjoy themselves.

818

But for those people who don't

have those advantages, the National

819

Super does make it possible to

live a reasonably nice life.

820

It's not means tested,

it's open to everybody.

821

I do I do know of a few very

wealthy people who give it back.

822

They say we don't need this,

we're fine, which is unusual.

823

And I also know people who pay quite a

high tax because they have investments,

824

so they're in a higher tax bracket.

825

So it might not be as much for them

as it is for someone like myself

826

who's in a pretty low tax bracket.

827

So that does give older people,

uh, freedom to have that as backup.

828

It also means that if you move

into a retirement village,

829

it goes towards that care.

830

So if you can afford to go into

a nice retirement village, then

831

you, that is used to, to pay

some of your weekly expenditure.

832

If you, if you have nothing, you can

go into more of a public, uh, care

833

facility, which, your superannuation.

834

It pays for that.

835

your medication and

everything is paid for.

836

so we are extremely fortunate that

people can age with some security.

837

They know that they have that backup.

838

We also have the most wonderful

healthcare system in that everybody

839

is covered by the healthcare system.

840

So, If you have no insurance,

unlike America, we, it can

841

be very, very difficult.

842

And I know a lot of people can

get into debt over hospital

843

care and accidents and so on.

844

We have two things.

845

We have accident compensation, which

takes away the need for pursuing

846

legally if something goes wrong.

847

So if you have an accident at work or

you fall over in the street and, and

848

someone else is at fault, you were

tripped or you fell on a wet tile or

849

something like that, you go off to

hospital and everything is paid for.

850

You are looked after and you

are completely cared for.

851

So you don't need to sue the person who

left the wet pavement or tripped you up

852

or something like that to get the money

back to pay for your care or for your

853

insurance policy to pay for your care.

854

So ACC takes away any of that liability

and it also covers things like

855

recovery, you know, physiotherapy or,

or whatever ongoing need you have.

856

A lot of people do have

insurance, private insurance.

857

I have a private insurance policy,

but I hardly use it because the

858

public care system is so good.

859

If I have an accident, I phone an

ambulance and wish I'm in hospital

860

and I'm being looked after.

861

But if I wanted to have a hip replacement

in my own time, then I would probably

862

use my health insurance to look after me

and get me in for my hip replacement in

863

a private hospital when I want to do it.

864

Whereas, Without that, I

would go on a waiting list.

865

It would still happen and it

would happen, it would be the same

866

doctors looking after me because the

private specialists do their time

867

in the national hospitals as well.

868

So the care would be just as

good, but I would just have

869

to wait a bit longer for it.

870

So, so coming home from the States at my

age, I still had my health care, my health

871

cover, my insurance, my superannuation and

all those things in place, which were a

872

little bit different when I was in America

and, and I felt a little bit uncertain

873

about my financial future unless I got

plenty of work, which I was hoping for.

874

I don't know if that helps.

875

Kimberly: No, that, that helps a lot.

876

And I, I was, doing a little research.

877

I want to just give

some facts and figures.

878

So New Zealand has a population of 5.

879

2, 5.

880

25 million people.

881

So there's like a, you know,

we have 400 million people.

882

So there's a huge difference.

883

It's a big difference.

884

And also New Zealand was the first

country to institute a Minimum wage

885

policy and also the first country

to give women the right to vote.

886

So there's a lot of

interesting firsts there.

887

Um, also the, it's called

the Superannuation.

888

Superannuation.

889

Superannuation fund is also considered

a sovereign wealth fund folks.

890

So, any people that are out there watching

from our treasury department, Get on it.

891

Make sure that our pensions are backed up.

892

Yeah.

893

Yeah.

894

Yeah.

895

It's just really, really interesting,

I think, for a lot of people.

896

Well, New Zealand, somewhere down there,

wherever, and there's just obviously

897

a lot, a lot going on in your country.

898

Julie: Yeah, we have, we have one

other thing that I probably should

899

mention is a thing called Kiwi Saver.

900

And this was the labor government, which

is the equivalent of your democratic

901

government, instituted the Kiwi fund.

902

And every person at work or self

employed pays into this fund.

903

Now, if you are employed and you

pay in, say you put in a hundred

904

dollars out of your Then your

employer is obliged to match that.

905

The government gave you 1, 000 to set

this up, and that fund goes into, and you

906

can't touch that unless you are either

65 years old, and so by that stage you

907

should have a nice little nest egg.

908

Or when you're buying your first home,

you are allowed to apply to use the

909

funds to deposit to buy your first home.

910

And the Labour government set this

up and they made sure that the

911

funds were invested very safely.

912

You have the choice if you want to,

whatever provider you wanted to do

913

that and if you wanted to be in a

low risk or a high risk category.

914

And my husband, we were self employed,

but we still decided to, to do it.

915

So even though we'd didn't get

a contribution from an employer.

916

We still got the thousand

dollars to set us up.

917

And then we were given, it gave us, I

think, 500 a year tax incentive so that

918

when we got to 65, We had a little bit

of a nest egg and that, that was what

919

actually financed our coming up to U.

920

S.

921

and being able to set up and live

up there for the time we were

922

there without earning any money.

923

Awesome.

924

Kimberly: And that was a great thing.

925

Kiwi Fund.

926

Julie: It's called Kiwi Fund.

927

Yeah.

928

Kiwi, Kiwi Saver.

929

Keep me safer.

930

Kimberly: Yeah.

931

Love it.

932

Love it.

933

Julie: Yeah.

934

Kimberly: It's just, it's just, it's just

interesting to hear how, you know, other

935

countries are handling these issues and

more and more of us are going to be aging

936

as far, and more, a larger percent of

the population is going to be in need.

937

So.

938

For all these people out there that

do this kind of work, pay attention.

939

Yeah.

940

Some more research, figure

out what else we can do here

941

to help, to help our seniors.

942

Awesome.

943

Awesome.

944

Julie, it has really been a

pleasure to talk to you, to hear

945

more about your journey, your life.

946

I do want to, you know, ask you more about

what you like to do outside of acting.

947

What kinds of things do you like to do?

948

I know you're a senior on

your bike and we've got some

949

great photos of you out there.

950

I know that.

951

Your country is beautiful,

beautiful places for you to explore.

952

So tell us more about what kind

of hobbies and fun things you

953

like to do outside of acting.

954

Julie: We got back into cycling

probably in our fifties and we

955

decided we didn't want to do road

cycling because it didn't feel safe.

956

So we do off road trails and New

Zealand has a lot of off road

957

trails around the countryside.

958

And some of them are in forests, you know,

so there's a lot of this and which we're

959

doing a little bit less as we get older.

960

Some of them are down

the sides of the road.

961

of highways and through the

countryside and they're a

962

lot flatter, but very scenic.

963

And we've recently moved into e bikes now.

964

So we have electric mountain bikes.

965

So we can still get out there

and, and do some of the forest

966

trails, which is fabulous.

967

We love that.

968

And we love the physicality of it as

well as enjoying the great outdoors.

969

What else do we do?

970

My husband and I are both artists.

971

We had a large ceramics

studio under our house.

972

Now we live in an apartment and

we rent a little wee corner that's

973

part of a ceramics teaching centre.

974

So my husband's there today, he's

got an exhibition coming up so he's,

975

he's working on some pieces for that.

976

I still go when I have time and spend a

bit of time doing some, some clay work.

977

I just got a commission overnight

to do a lamp base for an occasional

978

lamp and I make the, a hand built

base for that and put in the The

979

electrical fittings for the client

to then find their shade and do that.

980

So that's a lot of fun.

981

I do, I enjoy that.

982

I go to dance class and yoga

and things like that, as I said.

983

So yeah, life is pretty busy.

984

I have a daughter.

985

that I really enjoy spending time with.

986

We do a lot of things together.

987

She comes bike riding with us and so on.

988

We walk the dogs together and I have a

son in Japan and we're traveling to Japan

989

to visit our grandchildren up there.

990

So I'm also spending quite a lot of

time online trying to learn to speak

991

some Japanese, which is not easy at

my age, but I'm going to persevere.

992

Yeah.

993

So life is pretty hectic.

994

Kimberly: Awesome.

995

And so it's, it's great to see you're

still out there, you're promoting great

996

pro aging content and still doing what you

need to do on the, on the, on the screen.

997

So, so we love it.

998

And as far as your acting,

what's next for you?

999

Julie: Um, well, after I do this

short film, I have a new project.

00:55:00,251 --> 00:55:05,441

I've been doing some readings on a

theatre project for later in the year.

00:55:06,281 --> 00:55:12,831

I have a play under my wing, which I'm

thinking, shall I get into production?

00:55:12,861 --> 00:55:17,301

So I found the play and it's, it's a

matter of taking the bull by the horns and

00:55:17,301 --> 00:55:23,061

do I, do I find a venue and, and actually

produce and even direct this play?

00:55:23,061 --> 00:55:26,541

So that's a whole new area that I'm,

and as I say, I'm writing my monologue.

00:55:26,983 --> 00:55:28,771

So I've got that to work on.

00:55:28,771 --> 00:55:29,746

I've, I've got it.

00:55:30,416 --> 00:55:33,856

to people who are going

to help me with that.

00:55:34,506 --> 00:55:36,896

So yeah, that's what I've

got coming up in that way.

00:55:37,056 --> 00:55:40,696

And always, always auditioning, hoping

for a little commercial to pop up now

00:55:40,706 --> 00:55:42,596

and then, that will help the pay packet.

00:55:43,821 --> 00:55:44,171

Kimberly: Awesome.

00:55:44,171 --> 00:55:48,581

So, Julie's looking for work, everybody,

if you got that, that cool role, the,

00:55:48,581 --> 00:55:51,661

uh, the new detective series, you know,

00:55:52,081 --> 00:55:52,561

Julie: yeah,

00:55:55,041 --> 00:55:56,151

Kimberly: absolutely.

00:55:58,011 --> 00:56:01,441

Any final words of wisdom for people

that are still in the, in the acting

00:56:01,451 --> 00:56:04,418

game and they're getting up there in

their years and are thinking about,

00:56:04,418 --> 00:56:05,918

Oh, maybe I should throw in the towel.

00:56:05,918 --> 00:56:06,818

There's nothing for me.

00:56:06,828 --> 00:56:07,978

Any final thoughts about that?

00:56:08,393 --> 00:56:08,823

Well,

00:56:09,373 --> 00:56:11,453

Julie: you know, it's,

it's not an easy business.

00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:15,413

You do have to be able to take rejection

and, and keep on top of things.

00:56:15,413 --> 00:56:18,643

And I think if people find it too

much, well, you know, that they might

00:56:18,643 --> 00:56:22,543

find lots of other things they enjoy

doing as much, but if you're still keen

00:56:22,543 --> 00:56:25,243

and interested, well, well go for it.

00:56:25,553 --> 00:56:26,383

Just do it.

00:56:26,423 --> 00:56:30,823

You have the experience and the wisdom

that a lot of young things don't have.

00:56:30,913 --> 00:56:35,203

And, and I always find that when I'm

on set, some of the young things really

00:56:35,203 --> 00:56:40,183

like to, you know, ask you questions

about what you're doing and, and how you

00:56:40,193 --> 00:56:42,083

find the industry after all these years.

00:56:42,093 --> 00:56:44,023

So you can share that wisdom.

00:56:44,073 --> 00:56:47,343

Go and talk to young groups

at, at drama school and so on.

00:56:48,258 --> 00:56:50,498

It's always a wonderful thing to

talk to some of the younger ones.

00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,158

So, so stay involved, whatever it

is that, that sparks your interest,

00:56:55,168 --> 00:56:56,498

just stay into it and do it.

00:56:56,958 --> 00:56:57,358

Kimberly: Awesome.

00:56:57,778 --> 00:57:00,858

It has been such a pleasure to

be talking to you on this show.

00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:02,231

Wednesday slash Thursday.

00:57:03,221 --> 00:57:03,541

Yeah.

00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:05,471

18 hours ahead.

00:57:06,271 --> 00:57:09,481

Larvae, really appreciate your

insights and we wish you so much

00:57:09,481 --> 00:57:11,711

luck with the rest of your projects.

00:57:11,711 --> 00:57:13,610

Can't wait to see what you're doing next.

00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,980

And hopefully we can have you back on

and tell us how things have progressed

00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:21,960

with those, uh, your monologue and your

directing and producing projects and

00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,350

your, and your new detective series.

00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,480

Yeah.

00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:26,770

Julie: Okay, we'll do that.

00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:27,380

That'd be great.

00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:28,370

Awesome.

00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:30,530

Thank you, Kimberly.

00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:31,640

This has been wonderful.

00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,230

I've thoroughly enjoyed myself.

00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:36,480

Kimberly: Thank you, and thank you

so much for joining us today for

00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,136

Conversations on Aging, episode

six, and we'll see you next time.