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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

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as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

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And we about to talk about a movie songs.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Ray, you know, soundtracks are super important and let's just

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break it down real quick as to why

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soundtracks give an emotional enhancement to a movie

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on the genre of the movie.

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songs associated with it will heighten that

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The thing about soundtracks as well too, is it also, uh,

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Expands on the themes in the film.

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I think it's interesting because the songs we'll talk about today have this

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very kind of literal tie to the movie,

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but oftentimes with soundtrack songs, it's just like a beautiful song that

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describes the scene or describes a moment in the film that really

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brings us more into it and sometimes even surpasses the film itself.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

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And I think what you're referring to is a cultural resonance that songs

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from soundtracks have, and they can take on the life of their own

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Mm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: they can speak to a time period, a specific time period.

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And it also just.

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It just gives such a cultural, just makes a cultural stamp on the, on

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the, on the movie itself, as well as to the listeners that are listening.

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And of course, where this is, um, a capitalist society, soundtracks

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are branding opportunities.

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Come on now.

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Absolutely.

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We love, listen, Hollywood is at selling things in multiple ways.

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You are going to get a film,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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to get action figures, and

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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are going to get a hit song sung by Celine Dion that you cannot forget.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And if you're lucky, there'll be comic books.

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There'll be a cartoon based on the movie.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: There'll be spinoffs.

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So yes, you're absolutely right.

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Um, it's just really, it's a very smart way to make some more money

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and to capitalize off the success of an already successful movie.

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And sometimes, like we said before, the soundtrack can be more successful

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than the actual movie itself.

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So let's just break it down for the people.

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We are talking about none other than the Ghostbusters franchise.

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On this episode.

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We're going to discuss how three black performers actually enhanced

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the movie franchise with their three different versions of the

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soundtrack for ghost busters.

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Absolutely.

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And what's interesting about this particular conversation, too, is if

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you go back and you look at the cast of Ghostbusters, there are very few

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black folks in the first two films.

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And we're specifically focusing Ghostbusters one and two.

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And of course, you get Ernie Hudson,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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character in Ghostbusters in the group of four, but there's very few

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black characters in either of those films.

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So it is particularly interesting that the three main soundtrack songs,

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and we did say three, because I know y'all are like, there's only two main

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soundtracks, so is the Ghostbusters.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Nope.

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true.

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There are

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three.

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And so it's interesting that all three of those songs are by black artists.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Real quick, J Ray.

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I think, don't you find it funny in movies how there's always just

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like one black person, this one black person in the friend group,

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Yes!

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DJ Sir Daniel: did that happen?

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That's just a question that I've always had.

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in New York, in the 80s.

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DJ Sir Daniel: In the eighties.

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Well, of course this movie took place in Manhattan.

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They didn't venture out into the outer boroughs like Brooklyn or,

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um, Queens, Jamaica, Queens, or even Harlem for that respect.

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So that's how we get here, but let's take it back to 1984.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So Ghostbusters is propelled into the, the

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atmosphere, the, the stratosphere of being a very successful movie

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: of course, because it's got all these special effects and.

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Ghosts and whatnot.

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And it's a, it's a comedy, but it's also a action.

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It's an action comedy with a little bit of horror to it.

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But the one thing that you always remember about Ghostbusters is that frigging

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theme song, who you're going to call.

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Uh

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DJ Sir Daniel: Ghostbusters.

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And we have none other, we have nobody else to thank for that.

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But Ray Parker jr.

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Yeah.

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So that's, uh, really interesting.

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So of course, Ray Parker Jr., famed session guitarist.

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You can hear Ray Parker Jr.

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on Barry White tunes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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him on Bill Withers tunes, Bob Saggs, Parker Jr., and also his own band.

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He had a band called

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DJ Sir Daniel: Radio.

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And, um, which I love the spelling of that.

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It's R a Y D I O.

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I thought that was great named after him.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Exactly.

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Why not?

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and Ray Parker jr.

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Kind of, uh, what he was known for was kind of Ray Parker jr.

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Had a shtick.

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So not only was he just like a main, uh, uh, guitar player, but he also

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had a way of songwriting that kind of lended itself to kind of the humorous.

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in, in a lot of ways.

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So you would find these interesting lyrics and Ray Parker Jr songs.

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um, by the time Ray came on board for Ghostbusters, Sir Daniel,

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the, they were already into the mixing process for like the film.

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So he kind of came later and he has been on the record as

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saying he struggled a bit.

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like the songs, lyrics like coming up with the songs, lyrics and, um, so reason why

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he came up with the who you gonna call is because apparently he started to reminisce

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back to like jingles around like plumbing

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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And that's what kind of led him down that path.

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DJ Sir Daniel: absolutely.

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So of course the song became a massive hit.

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Um, it reached number one, of course on the billboard hot 100

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and just catapulted him into the spotlight because at this point.

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A lot of people didn't know Ray Parker Jr.

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Well, I didn't remember him as a part of a group or a session

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writer, things of that nature.

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So he, he just got, became a cultural figure at that point.

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Jay Ray, I remember he showed up on, give me a break acting.

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Oh,

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DJ Sir Daniel: It was so, it was really quite hilarious because Nell Carter's

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character had the hots for Ray Parker Jr.

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But anyway, so, um, what was I about to say?

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Oh yes.

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Songwriting.

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Jay Ray.

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Ray Parker Jr.

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has written my favorite Sherrilyn song.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Shake It Up Tonight.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Love that song, especially when she did, I'm going out tonight.

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la la la la.

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said, he had a very specific way of writing,

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: that allowed the vocalist to, you know, To do some, some, you know,

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very particular things with their, their phrasing and the way that it was shaped

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their minds while they were singing.

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So I just thought that was so interesting that he wrote

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my favorite Sheryl Lynn songs.

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wrote a song on your favorite Diana Ross album.

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Yes, he did that.

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He, um, Ray was everywhere.

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Oh my

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DJ Sir Daniel: where

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You, but, you know, my, my favorite actually, Ray Parker Jr.

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Written song.

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So then you might, you might know, you might could guess this, but

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a lot of people do not know that.

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Um huh.

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This is a great connection actually.

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DJ Sir Daniel: I was, I know where you're going.

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A lot of people do not know that New Editions Mr.

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Telephone Man is actually a cover.

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It was written by Ray Parker Jr.

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and originally performed by Ray Parker Jr.

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and I love that song because other than Bobby Brown wears out that whole hook.

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He is singing his little heart out on

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DJ Sir Daniel: For his breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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And of course, Bobby Brown is connected to the second,

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uh, main Ghostbusters theme.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That's right,

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So.

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Um, in 1989, Bobby Brown hot as fish grease.

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DJ Sir Daniel: baby.

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listen, don't be cruel have been released.

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We actually have an entire live show that we did on Bobby Brown and on our own.

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So you should definitely go and check that out in addition to this.

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But the CliffsNotes is Bobby Brown was super hot.

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Don't be cruel had spawned like.

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Four top 10 hits by the time on our own Was recorded so bobby brown.

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Um, the producer one of the producers of the film was like listen I

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want this guy bobby brown this guy bobby brown who's really hot right

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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to do a song for Ghostbusters was like Sure.

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If I could get a part in the film

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DJ Sir Daniel: exactly.

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say less, Bobby.

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So, so when we talked about few black characters in

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Ghostbusters two, there are two.

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There's Ernie Hudson and Bobby Brown, who is the doorman.

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And right?

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So.

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They record on our own, but it is written and produced by L.

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A.

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and Babyface, of course.

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So, it is in the same line of all of the other songs that were released

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from the Don't Be Cruel project.

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And what I love about this particular song is It's still hot.

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Like, even though it's very literal, it's, it's very much

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incorporates the film into the song.

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The song still sits on its own.

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That's funny.

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The song still sits on its own.

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Sir, Daniel.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

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Because of the infusion of new Jack swing, um, the Bobby Brown literally

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is part of the freshman class.

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They introduced the R and B pop sensation that we know as new Jack swing.

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Um, like you said, Bobby Brown was approached because

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of his crossover appeal.

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He, uh, Again is one of the few artists that was able to successfully

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blend R& B and hip hop because Bobby is spitting his own verse at

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the beginning because at this time

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too

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DJ Sir Daniel: too cold to hold and but Bobby has always been a

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hip hop head and has always infused hip hop in a lot of his music.

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And I think that he's been a, because he's a pioneer of that.

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He was able to just definitely do that on, on our own.

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And it just sounds so dope.

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So fun to see him doing the running man.

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Jay Ray, I had a Gumby.

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I had, uh, I went to merry go round to purchase my very first pair of patent

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leather shoes with the smooth bottom.

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Strictly so that I could be in step with Bobby Brown, Mr.

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Dance.

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Yeah.

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You know it because this song is not featured on any

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on his don't be cruel album.

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This song is actually a remix is featured on the dance.

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You know, it remixed album.

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So this song, his career has such a major life.

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And like we said, it brought much life to the Ghostbusters soundtrack

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Ghostbusters to, um, I might add to that.

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And then Jay Ray.

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There's another groundbreaking group that put their stamp on this Ghostbusters

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franchise hailing from Hollis Queens.

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You know, so, In all fairness, I had forgotten this existed until

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we were getting ready, and I do think that's kind of unfair, but

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it is a, it's an interesting time.

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So Run DMC did a song called Ghostbusters as well.

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So here's what's interesting about this song.

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Ghostbusters.

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This particular song as well was written by Ray Parker, Jr.,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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Um, but it doesn't feature Ray Parker, Jr.

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It is similar to the first song, but different than the first song.

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Like, some of the lyrics are kind of switched up and, and it's, it's

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done in kind of this rap format.

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Not unlike, Run DMC had already done.

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So if you hear this song, it does remind you of like Run DMC

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songs from the mid eighties.

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I do think what's really interesting about Run DMC's version of

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Ghostbusters is it was 1989.

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It did feel like this song was almost like a couple of years older in a

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lot of ways in terms of style in terms of their flow specifically not

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the production because we have some interesting notes about that production

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Run DMC did a version of Ghostbusters.

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That was the second single for the film.

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It didn't do as well as Bobby Brown's On Our Own, which

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became, of course, the main song.

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But they did do a song, they did a music video, and it is out there.

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So you can go and check out Run DMC's version of Ghostbusters, which was,

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of course, produced by Jam Master Jay and the whole Run DMC team.

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But um, yeah, written by Ray Parker Jr.

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and performed by, uh, and DMC.

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DJ Sir Daniel: I'm glad you mentioned, um, the production of the sound of

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this particular song, because when I, when I was reintroduced to it, the

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first thing that popped in my head was.

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Oh, this is supersonic.

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This is

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Same Supersonic

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DJ Sir Daniel: by JJ fad enhanced with a little bit of, um, planet rock by Afrika

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Bambaataa, which is fine, which is fine.

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It's easy on the ears and hearkening back to another point you made

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about the scarcity of black, uh, Um, performers in this movie and in this

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franchise, it is so, so significant.

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When you watch the music video, run DMC's video for, um, Ghostbusters, all

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the stars, particularly, particularly the female stars of the movie come out.

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Of a limousine and they're escorted by one of the members of run DMC,

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but what do each of these female performers have on these white women?

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Weaver has on a fedora

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and a gold chain.

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has on a fedora.

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a gold chain.

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And I think maybe a pair of gazelles

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um, actress that comes out, another white woman

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thing.

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So it's like Run DMC's cultural impact lent itself to this movie and to these

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actors, because they're trying to appeal to the widest audience that they can.

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So I just wanted people to realize that when you go and look back.

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You can see that run DMC stamped that movie with their parents and their

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feature on the soundtrack, but you know, Jay Ray, before we, um, get up out of

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here, I want to mention that run DMC has killed several other soundtracks.

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In 1985, they were featured on the Crush Groove soundtrack, which

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literally was a movie about them and their journey to superstardom.

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And of course, the, um, Christmas in Hollis.

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Was the big hit off of that.

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And can you rock it like this?

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Several other songs became hits off of that soundtrack.

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Of course, they're featured on the Ghostbusters to soundtrack,

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which we just discussed.

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And then fast forward to 2006.

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of their old hits gets revamped and gets a new life in the Fast

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and Furious Tokyo Drift soundtrack

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we all know the Fast and Furious franchise has like what 50 movies

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Oh

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my God.

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Yeah.

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They're on movie.

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Uh, 51 is probably coming soon.

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DJ Sir Daniel: at this point.

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run GMC not only

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their music on movies, but they also represent for hip hop and they also

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bring a style and a fashion to wherever they go, including the music videos that

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aren't, um, enhanced by these music, by these sounds on the soundtrack.

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Um, Looking at artists like Run DMC, looking at their

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contributions, we also recognize the importance of soundtracks

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in the careers of Black artists.

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think that when we take a look at, uh, certain folks careers, like

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we can pinpoint soundtrack songs as like some of their best songs.

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So, Sir Daniel, that is kind of the, the kind of our final question of the day.

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For you, one of your favorite songs from a soundtrack that's not Ghostbusters.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Okay, this is really easy because I was blasting

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it on the way home last night.

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I love.

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Tevin Campbell's just asked me to from the boys in the hood soundtrack.

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Great

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DJ Sir Daniel: is quintessential, um, nineties R and B pop,

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new Jack swing flavor.

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We got, it's produced by I'll be sure you got Chub Rock on the rap and a 14 year

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old Tevin Campbell singing his heart out.

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That song always makes me smile because I remember the video was very bright

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and colorful, like nineties videos were.

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So.

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In my heart, just ask me to is my favorite song from a soundtrack.

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What's yours, Jay Ray?

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Oh my goodness.

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The one today,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Cause it changes.

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changes.

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I have a lot of them.

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Um, but the one today, Hopeless by Dion Farris.

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DJ Sir Daniel: solid, solid pick

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hello morning

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Baby That song is so beautiful from the love jones soundtrack 1997, which

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is one of the best soundtracks Um ever released because what once again

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as we talked about at the beginning like that soundtrack of enhances the

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themes of the film in a lot of ways.

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They exist on their own and are separate, but, um, yeah, Hopeless just feels like

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a breezy, beautiful Sunday morning where everything is going to be okay that day.

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And so the song I'm picking today is Hopeless by Dion Farris.

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DJ Sir Daniel: baby Tate.

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Your mama did her big one on that one.

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Absolutely.

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She absolutely did.

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Well, listen, we've come to the end of this episode of Queue Points podcast,

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