On this episode of The Karen Kenney Show, I talk about why ​"you can’t get there ​from here​."

​Especially when​ "there" is a new way of thinking, being, and doing and “here” is you clinging to your same old ​stories, ​beliefs, and behaviors.

Telling a ​tale about a snowy dead-end street​ in my hometown, showing a ​fun stick-figure drawing​ that I did, and sharing some down-to-earth spiritual tools​...

I dive into how taking tiny baby steps, developing some self-awareness, and committing to a simple ​Daily ​Spiritual ​Practice​ (DSP) can help you ​to finally let go of what’s familiar ​- so you can actually become the person you say you want to be​!

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Karen Kenney is a writer, speaker, podcaster, certified spiritual mentor, and coach.

She’s known for her dynamic storytelling, her sense of humor, her Boston accent, and her no-bullshit approach to spirituality, self​-development, and transformational work.

Karen helps people to navigate this whole “being human” experience using practical tools, universal principles and stories, and a variety of resources.

KK has been a yoga teacher for 25+ years, has been giving Thai Yoga Massage since 2008, and began teaching it in 2015.

She's also a Gateless Writing Instructor, and host of The Karen Kenney Show podcast.

She coaches clients individually in her 1:1 program THE QUEST and via her HEART-TO-HEART DAYS using Voxer. She also leads a group program and community called THE NEST.

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It's the Karen Kenney show. Hey you guys.

Welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm so excited to be here

today, and today I have, like, visual help, helping aids. Just,

just buckle, buckle up for safety. I'm going to tell you a

little story. I got some visual aids, and hopefully I'm going to

share something today that is helpful to you and that you can

apply to your life right away. That's one of the things about

this show, is besides just trying to spread a little more

love in the world, I'm also trying to either, I always say I

want to either educate or elevate or enlighten or

entertain, create some sort of emotional connection. You know,

everybody's got shit to do. Nobody wants to waste their

time. So if you're tuning in, I want to make it worth your

while. So we're just going to start off just by diving into

the title of this sucker, which is, you can't get there from

here. So recently, I was down in Lawrence mass, which is my

hometown. It's where I grew up, lawtown and and it was snowing

out. It was just like a shit show. There was like so much

snow everywhere. And if you've ever driven in, like a small,

little city or whatever, and there's a lot of snow, and the

snow banks get all pushed up, and there's nowhere to park or

whatever. So I was driving, it was dark, I was in a little bit

of a rush, and I was trying to get to a certain place, okay?

And as I was driving, all of a sudden, I looked and I was like,

Oh yeah, that's the street I want to take. And what I had

forgotten, because I hadn't driven on this road in a really

long time in, like, because, like, I'm talking like probably

35 years, if not more, is that there were two streets right

after each other that have the similar name. One is like

reservoir terrace, the next one is like reservoir road, or

whatever, and I banged the left, unfortunately, onto reservoir

terrace, which was a dead end street. It's a tiny little

street I just saw when I was driving reservoir, and I like

whipped in there. And, of course, all right, so imagine

all the snow, all the houses are like, like duplexes and triple

deck is and there's barely any driveways. There's no place to

turn around, and it's a dead end street, so I'm going down, and

I'm lined on each side by cars, okay? And then in front of me is

a car coming towards me. When I realized this is a dead end and

I also realize I have no place to back up. And I'm like, oh my

god, I'm gonna have to, like, throw my arm over the back of

the seat, you know, over the passenger seat, and, like, back

up, like, in the dock, in the snow while there's a lot of

traffic coming up April Street. I was like, Oh my God, thank you

baby Jesus at the very end, because I was like, I'm gonna

have to back out into this busy intersection. I don't know how

I'm gonna do this, but fortunately, right there was a

driveway I could like, you know, back up into and then the guy in

the truck could go right past me. But one of the things I

realized, and that I heard in my head, is that I knew where I was

trying to get to, but I could not get there from here because

it was a dead end street, and I had gone down the wrong road.

And it made me think of this old kind of like story, like, and

it's, I don't know why, it's always usually given like an old

main farmer, like some farmer from Maine, and there's a couple

like, driving out, you know, in the, you know, in the land or

whatever, and they're driving, and they stop and out, they see

this guy, and they on his tractor or whatever, and they

stop and ask him for directions. And they're like, Hey, we're

trying to get to so and so. And he's like, I Yeah, but you can't

get there from here. That's how it is sometimes, and I want to

apply this to our everyday lives. And here's the thing, we

often want things, whether it's actually physical things,

whether it's internal things. And we'll get more specific in a

moment, right? We often want new things, better things, different

things, whatever it is. And the problem that most people have is

that they're trying to get there, but they cannot get there

from here, from where they're coming from, what they're doing,

what they're thinking, right? And one of the things is, is

that they aren't willing yet. And I always like to say yet,

because I believe in the power of the capacity for change, is

that we have to be willing to let go of what's familiar. We

have to be willing to let go of the here to get to there, and

you can't hold on to the familiar, the known, the

pattern, the habit, the way that you've been thinking and doing

and speaking and behaving. And expect to get the new different

better thing, the new different, better experience or feeling or

outcome or relationship or whatever it is, we're not going

to be able to get there from here if we insist on holding on

to the way we've always done things, the way we've always

thought, the way we've always believed the stories we insist

on telling about ourselves, our own capacity, and others, the

world, etc. And the challenge is, is that the brain right?

Just the chemistry of the brain. The brain likes the familiar.

That's how it finds safety. And the nervous system is always

seeking safety. So if you have a brain that likes what's

familiar, that's how it learns. That's how it kind of imprints

on everything around it's always in comparison and using what

we've already experienced, what we already think, what we

already know, believe in the stories we tell, the identity

that we have. And it's like going into the new that's why

people are like, you know, their comfort zones, they often don't

like to leave them, because even though there might be a better

opportunity, a better relationship, a better

situation, a better feeling, a better outcome, over there, they

cannot get there from here. So we have to be willing. And so

this is where, like, the little visual comes in. I did this

little drawing, and my sweetie and I were talking about this

the other day, and he was demonstrating this. It's so fun.

This is a little drawing of my sweetie. So those of you who are

listening and not watching, I'm going to describe what's on this

piece of paper that I drew, I used to love to draw stick men.

This is a whole that's a whole other story, and we're back. So

I used to love to draw stick men to do things. Okay, so I'm going

to show you there's a little stick man, and he has his arms

reached out in two different directions. Okay, now his left

arm, and if you're watching this, the left hand is the one

with the red arrows right, and with his left hand, he's holding

on to these old things, right? And it's old thoughts, old

patterns, old beliefs, old stories, old behaviors and an

old identity. And he's holding on to it tight. He's got a good

grip on it. But in his right hand, his right hand is

reaching, and it's like trying to reach across the divide. And

on the right side, I just drew some symbols that might, you

know, just symbolize some things that a person might want. They

might want more time, they might want more love or a better

relationship. They might want this little happy face. So

there's like a little clock for time. There's a hat for love,

relationship, whatever. There's a little smiley face for more

happiness, right? Then there's a money sign. Maybe somebody wants

more money or more savings or more income or whatever. And

then there's, there's a peace symbol. Maybe somebody wants

more inner peace, or wants more compassion, or whatever it might

be, right? I also almost drew a muscle like, maybe somebody

wants more health or fitness or whatever it is. But, you know,

there's a gazillion things I could have drawn here. But the

point of this little visual is, I want you to think about it.

This person is so like insisting on holding on. I'm tapping it

over here. They're so insisting on holding on to these old ways,

this old thinking, this old behavior, this old way of being

and believing. And they're saying, right? They'll say like,

Oh, but I can't reach it, I can't have it, I can't be it, I

can't do it right? And I'm like, You're right. You can't. You

can't do it, not if you're insisting on also holding on to

these old things, these familiar things, these former things,

these former versions of you, these former ways of thinking

and being. And a lot of times, what people really want, and my

sweetie and I talk about this all the time is they want the

new thing without letting go of the old thing. They want

outcomes without doing the work of change. They want

transformation without

actually doing the things that they need to do, thinking, the

things they need to think, becoming the person they need to

become. Everybody wants change, but most people don't want to

change, and so we just want to be able to keep doing the same

old bullshit, but have a different outcome, but you

cannot get there from here. We have to be willing. We have to

be willing to let go of those old ways. Ways of being. We have

to let go of the old version of you. You gotta let go of what

you've known and what you've done. And you know, that's that

thing where you hear people say, Well, that's the way we've

always done it, that's the way it's always been. That's just

the way they are, that's just the way I am. And I'm like,

that's fine. We can, we can say that, and we can keep things

just as they are, but you cannot get there to that new place that

promised land, that new outcome, that new way of feeling, that

new relationship, more money, all those things, if you insist

on staying here doing the same old shit. And so I kind of broke

it down into like these two sentences that I think can be

very helpful. People will say so at the end of this, just like

fill in the blank, right? But the first sentence is usually

this, I want to be the kind of person who fill in the blank,

and the second response of the response is, well, then you have

to stop being if you want to start to be the kind of person

who fill in the blanks, then you have to stop being the kind of

person who fill in the blank. I will give you an example. You

might say, I want to be the kind of person who starts getting up

at 5am I would say, then you have to stop being the kind of

person who stays up until midnight, scrolling on their

stupid phone, because you can't be both, or you can try, but

you're going to be exhausted because you're not going to get

enough sleep. You know what I'm saying? Or you might say, I want

to be, I'm making these up. I want to be the kind of person

who stops complaining so much, stops whining so much, right?

Well, then you have to stop being the kind of person who

appreciates what they have. You might be. Need to be the kind of

person that practices a little more gratitude. You know, it's

like, okay, I want to be the kind of person, because they

always tell you, you want to have three to six months of

savings, and in your emergency fund, in your savings, right?

And you might say, Okay, I want to be the kind of person who has

an emergency savings fund of like, at least three to six

months. Okay, well, then you have to be a person who makes a

plan or makes a budget or stops buying shit you don't really

need. This is about becoming and this is about though baby steps.

Because a lot of times we think, oh, I want to make this change.

I want to have whatever it is, more health, more peace, more

love, more money, more fill whatever it is, right, more

success, right? I want to have more strength. I want to have

better cardio. I want to have less high blood brain. I want to

have better blood pressure. Or I want to lower my cholesterol.

Yeah, you want to lower your cross cholesterol. Stop eating

all those dead animals in the in the byproducts of animals,

right? That's one of the fastest ways to start to change that.

Okay, so, but it's about taking baby steps. We can't usually

just swoop in and, like, go cold turkey and do 100% now, there

are certain things you want to go cold turkey on right? If you

want to be somebody who is not, let's say that you're somebody

who has, you know, substance use, with substance abuse or

substance overuse or whatever, with alcohol or whatever, yeah,

those situations going cold turkey might be really, really

smart, but with personality and just patterns and ways of

thinking and believing, right? Sometimes we just might want to

start or going to the gym or saving more money, right? It's

not all of a sudden, like you're just gonna pull like $10,000 out

of your ass. You might have to, like, little baby steps. You

know what I'm saying? So it's about becoming, it's about baby

steps, and it's also, here's the big one, becoming the kind of

person who baby steps, like, build on those tiny little wins,

set little goals so that you can actually accomplish them, and

then you feel victorious, and you get like, Yes, I can do

this. And you kind of build on your little victories and your

successes. And then it's about being able to pause long enough

to recognize that you're about to think, say or do the old

pattern. That's one of the biggest things. It's all great

and fine and dandy to say, I want a thing. I want to be the

kind of my hair is like crazy right now. I want to be the kind

of person who, or I want to be able to, or I want to stop, or

stat, or whatever the thing is. But if you can't catch yourself

in the act if you're not even aware that you're about to do

the thing at some point, we have to be able to have the

awareness, enough awareness to be able to pause and observe our

thinking, our saying. In our doing or are about to do. I

mean, ideally, if we can catch it before we even do it, before

the words leave our mouth, before the the HO, HO gets in

the mouth, before the whatever, the thing that you're about to

say, think, believe, do you know that's ideal. But even if you

can catch yourself in the act and stop yourself, pump the

brakes, hit the pause button. That's like, really, really,

really big. And if we can put a pause in your pattern, right,

your patterns of behaviors, or your patterns of thinking, you

can put a pause in your mind so that you can make a different

choice. That's like a superpower. And so much of this

just comes down to again, so often, you know, when I think

about why I talk about having a DSP and a daily spiritual

practice, why it's so important, because one of the components of

at least the way that I talk about, in and teach and share

about having a DSP is that some of the first steps are number

one, like slowing down, like helping you and your nervous

system so that you can start your your mind, your body, so

it's like your brain, your body right, your breathing, all these

things so that we can start To slow down, so that we can

actually experience, like a pause. We can we can get in that

place. So if we learn how to slow down, if we learn how to

deepen our breath, because when we when we change our breath, we

change our physiological state right, which also, over time,

will help our mental state right. And this is why I'll talk

about, like having a DSP, because learning how to slow

down and learning how to meditate, and we often think

that meditation is just like quieting all of my thoughts, and

I have to silence myself, and I have to sit very still. Yeah,

there are forms of meditation where you do sit still, where

you do get quiet, huh? It doesn't mean all your thoughts.

We're not trying to silence the mind. Good luck with that,

right? We want to quiet it a little bit, turn it down, the

volume a little bit. But the mind is going to mind. The brain

is going to brain. It's going to do what it does, which is it

thinks thoughts, right? Does all kinds of things. But one of the

things it does, it thinks thoughts, right? But if we can

start to slow things down, and we can start to get a little

more self aware, so that there's a pause so we can choose who and

how we want to be. Right to me, meditation and having a DSP,

these are the things that lead to freedom and happiness. Being

able to train your mind, train your senses, it's such a

powerful thing, okay? And there, like I said, there's, there's

1000 ways to meditate. I have some very simple ones that I

teach people. One of the main ones is like passage meditation,

which was taught to me from eknashwaran, which is like

meditation on a passage like, it's like memorizing, let's say

the prayer of St Francis, right? Make me an instrument of thy

peace where there is hatred, let me sow love, etc, etc, right?

For some people, it might be the Serenity Prayer, whatever it is

you meditate on that passage, the Buddha is said to have said,

right, that we become what we think we become what we meditate

on, if we want to be more more peaceful, then we meditate on

that peacefulness, right? If we want to become more loving, not

only do we meditate upon it, but we also practice it, right? We

want to become more like I said, more patient, more loving, more

kind, whatever. So passage meditation is really powerful.

Repetition of a mantra can be very powerful, a very simple

meditation where you're keeping your awareness on your breath.

And you can just start with like, five minutes, 10 minutes.

Maybe I'll do a whole little maybe I'll do a whole other

episode on just a little quick little meditation practice, but

learning how right to just kind of sit your ass down and again,

I know for some people, that's sitting still, but there's

walking meditation, there's mindfulness, right? Walking with

being mindful, or just even throughout your day, having

these little moments of mindfulness and connection can

be a really big thing, okay? And we'll get into that. But so much

of being able to change, right, is actually being aware that

you're doing the thing that you actually don't want to be doing,

that you're doing the the here, when

you're trying to eventually get there. And I'm all into be here

now, but part of being here now is recognizing, right, what

you're doing in the here, what you're thinking, what you're

saying what you're believing. Okay, now here's one of the

things people will often say to me, like, but it's so hard, it's

really hard. Like, like, being vulnerable is hard, or being

honest sometimes is hard, or speaking my truth is hard. Or

what? Don't fill in the blank, right? We know that when we try

to change behaviors, we'll often say, but it's hard, and I'll

often say, like, and this was something that you know,

Marianne Williamson used to say at her lectures, and it always

made me laugh. And I'm like, Yeah, as if being miserable is

easy, as if being in that old pattern and way of being is

easy, as if your suffering is easy, What's hard is it's not so

much. I would say that the easier that you can let go.

Right of the old things come back to this picture, the easier

that you can just take your hand off the wheel, take your hand

off it. Stop doing the old thoughts and patterns and

beliefs and stories and behaviors and identity, right?

The easier you can just let it go. The easier the next thing

can come in. The easier that you just let go of the past, right?

The previous the former. The easier it is for the new you,

the new version, the new behavior, the new belief, to get

wired in, to have a new experience, right? To have the

thing that you actually want. It's not often that it's hard,

it's that it's unfamiliar. It's new that seems scary, that's

valid, but it's not that. It's actually usually hard. And I

tell this story, right? So I do this exercise with people. I've

done it when I've, when I've, you know, had speaking gigs and

stuff in the past. I'll often bring people, or a person up on

stage, and I do this in yoga class sometimes too, and I'll

have them hold a yoga block, and I have them stick their arms out

straight, straight off their shoulders, like straight off

their body, like they're walking like a zombie, right? And or

they're hypnotized, or whatever. You know that old, the old

Scooby Doo hypnotized when your arms are out in front, okay? So

their arms are out in front and between their two hands,

probably about like, six inches, or whatever, a pot they're

holding a thick yoga block, and I have them hold that block out

in and they're just holding on to it, and they're squeezing.

And I have them do this for like five minutes sometimes, but I'm

talking to them through the whole time, right? And I'll say,

no, no. So how is this? How's holding this? And in the

beginning, it's not too bad, right? And then over time, their

arms start to get tired. Their arms start to shake. Because

I'll say, no, no, keep holding on, hold on harder. Hold on

harder. Right? Of course, the block is symbolizing whatever

the belief, the story, the history, the thing, the habit,

whatever it is the addiction, whatever the thing is, you know,

symbolizing for them, representing for them. And I'll

say, no, no, keep holding on to it. And their arms are starting

to shake, and their face is getting all like, ah. And I'll

say, and after doing this for a long time, and I'll say, Okay,

now let it go. And they finally drop it, and I'll say to them,

how was that right? I'll say, which was harder holding on to

the old thing or simply letting it go. And there has to be a

certain amount of willingness, right? There's a temptation to

hold on to the old thing, because we think we're safe

there. We think we're safe there, because we know this,

even if it's a hell, you're like, I know this brand of hell,

right? We're too we're too afraid of like, an aspect of

something new. It's what we call the there's the unsafe known,

the thing that you know, even though it may not be good for

you, versus the safe unknown. That thing might be safe, but

you and your nervous system don't know it yet. Don't believe

it yet, can't trust it yet, right? So even though the thing

over there might be better for us, the person, or the

situation, or whatever the job, whatever it is, might be better.

We don't, you know, it can be a little little hard, but when you

hold on to that visual, and you can even do it for yourself,

just get something and stick your arms out and try to hold on

to it and squeeze it and get tighter and tighter, like, you

know, and then, and then, I'm like, and now drop it well,

letting it go is actually easier, but mentally, we put all

these attachments onto it. But remember, the easier that you

can let go, the easier it is for the new thing, the new pattern,

the new behavior, the new belief, whatever, the new story

for it to come in. And it's not hard, it just requires a little

bit more willingness, it requires a little bit more

focus. It might require a little bit more effort, a little bit

more commitment or consistency, a little bit more

accountability, right? That's the thing. It's not hard. It's

simply unfamiliar. It's simply new. And this is why I said we

go back to the baby steps. It's about becoming, right? It's

about practicing. It's about those baby steps, those little

wins. And whether it's like, you know, as somebody who does Thai

Yoga massage, right, people will say to me, Oh, I'm so tight, you

know, so. Tight. I really need to stretch more. And I'll be

like, well, you can, you could always just start stretching on

your own. You could always come to one of my yoga classes. You

could always come and get a Thai Yoga massage. But if you insist

on just keep doing the same old shit, which is not stretching at

all, and then you wonder, why? Oh, my hips hurt, my back hurts,

my neck hurts, my my jaw, everything, everything's tight,

right? My glutes are tight, my calves, everything's tight.

Everything hurts when I stand, when I move. I'm like, Well, are

you doing any movement? Are you doing any stretching? Are you

doing any flexibility or mobility work? Right? When

people like, oh, I can barely carry my grocery okay, I use

strength training at all? Do you know what I mean? It's like,

people might say like, oh, I want to be stronger. I want to

be more fit. Or, you know, you hear it a lot with like, as

folks are aging and they're getting older, and they're like,

I have grandkids now, I can't get up off the floor. I can't

even put my socks on without sitting down. I'm like, Okay,

you can keep doing what you've been doing. You can keep telling

yourself that story and look, I'm not saying people don't have

real physical limitations. Of course, sometimes you do. You

have an injury, you have a situation, whatever. I'm just

saying whatever. The thing is, when you say, I want to be the

kind of person who and you fill in that blank, saves money, goes

back to church, starts donating more, makes more money, whatever

your thing is, right? Then you have to stop being the kind of

person who fill in the blank whatever the old behavior is.

But you cannot get there from here without some shit changing.

And whether that's the way you're thinking about it, the

way you're perceiving it, the way you're going about it,

right? Your willingness to stop doing the old behaviors, or to

start doing, you know what I'm saying. So I want, I want to

just share this to help you think about it. Because, and I'm

holding up the picture again. I know so many people who say they

want, I'm pointing at this, the peace symbol, the money symbol,

the happiness, the connection, the love, the intimacy, more

time, more patience, whatever it is they say they want it, but

they're not willing to stop doing the other things. They're

not willing to be a little more brave or a little more

courageous, and not willing to be bad at something like to try

and to make mistakes. They're not willing to fall on their

face. They're not willing to, like, go for it and show that

they really want something, because what if they get

rejected, or what if the other person's not doing their part,

or what if blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm like, Look, all

we can control is us and what we're doing and thinking and

saying and believing. I can't change the rest of the world. I

can't forcibly, like, make those things change, the way that the

world slowly changes is enough individuals doing the work on

themselves and with themselves right to create different

experiences within themselves where maybe right. They're more

happy, they're more peaceful, they have more energy, they have

more patience. They have more compassion. Sometimes they have

more more. They're listening better to their own internal

rage, right? They're acknowledging and honoring their

symptoms and their feelings. They're not trying to fix

themselves into oblivion. They're not thinking, Oh, I'm

fucked up, I'm screwed up, I'm broken. They just might be aware

that there's been some things, but sometimes those things that

we don't like about ourselves. This is a whole other episode.

You know, people. I'll just go here. I'll take a tiny, tiny,

tiny right detour. If you tell somebody that they shouldn't

feel angry, they need to get rid of their anger right now. I'm

not talking people. I'm not talking people who are going out

into the world and inflicting harm on people or themselves.

I'm just saying, you know, sometimes people don't like when

women are angry. They call angry women. Sometimes women need to

get fucking angry so that we'll stop putting up with nonsense,

right? Sometimes that anger is theirs, because when you were a

kid, somebody put their hands on you, and you couldn't say no,

because you didn't have any power, because you were a little

kid, and that anger is going to be the thing that allows you to

now use your voice or say no or say stop, or to make a change or

to end the relationship or to leave, or whatever the thing is.

So we'd like to pathologize everything and label things

good, bad, whatever. I'm not saying that all the old things

are horrible that you need to change everything. But if

certain things are causing you pain and suffering and they're

getting

in the way of you having these things over here on the right

that you say that you want, then there has to be a willingness.

And I'm pointing back to that hand with the red arrows that's

holding on to the old ways. Right? You cannot get here,

right? Or you cannot get there. I'm pointing at the new ones

from here. By doing the same old, same old, there has to be

some willingness to change. So I hope this has been, I don't

know, helpful in some way, beneficial in some way. And if

it has, share it with somebody. Share this. I. Episode with

somebody, right? And just maybe take a few moments to get clear

with yourself if there's some part of you that's trying to

become if there's some part of you that wants to be a new way,

or think a new way, you know, these are all the things that

like we do in the nest. We talk about meditation, we talk about

daily spiritual practice. We talk about just the whole being

human experience, and what are some really good resources and

tools for creating change and transformation in our life?

Should we need it and want it? And here's the thing, when

you're trying to make change, you want to put yourself in

environments where change is already happening, where change

is the normal thing. But if you want, if you want to become

somebody who wants to become more patient, you don't go join

in. You don't go and join the impatient people's group. You

know what I mean when you're trying to make change? This is

why, like, if you're trying to make change. And yes, of course,

if you're self motivated, you can work out at home, in your

basement, buy a whole gym, do all that stuff. But if you're

somebody who wants to create change in your physical capacity

and your strength, your cardio, whatever, that's why people join

gyms. They go to the place where that new behavior is normalized.

It's already happening. You can be influenced. You can be

inspired, right? So if everybody that you hang out with are

negative Nellies and you're trying to have more positivity

and gratitude or whatever in your life, right? You might want

to, like, find a place where that's happening. And the nest

is one of those places where change work is going on. So I'm

saying, and if you want to learn more about the nest or any of

the stuff that I do, just go to Karen kenney.com right? It's so

easy to find all the things that I'm up to, yoga and Thai Yoga,

massage and the nest. And my hot to hot days, my hot to hot days

are really fun. It's just like having a coach in your pocket.

It's like three hours of coaching over Voxer, a Voice

app. It's so easy. You don't even have to put on makeup, get

on a call, do anything, right? You can just talk to me through

the phone. It's so much fun. All those things are on my website

right the nest, and coaching and Thai Yoga, massage, all that

shit, so you can find it all there. So you guys, I love

spending a little bit of time with you today. I hope wherever

you are and whatever you're doing, you're having some sort

of fun. It is. It is insane out there. It is insane out there,

but there's always hope. We just saw this past weekend that there

was a shit ton of people out for the no kings protests, and it

just feels good to know that there are a lot of people out

there that care about themselves, care about justice,

care about what's right and what's fair, and they care about

their fellow human beings in the environment, etc. And so that

that was hopeful. All right. Well, thank you so much for

tuning in. Wherever you go, wherever you go, may you leave

the animals and the people and yourself and the planet in the

environment better than how you found it wherever you go. May

you and your presence and your love and your energy be a

blessing. Bye. Hey. Thanks so much for listening to the show.

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