Hey there fellow Ohioans! Get ready for another episode of the Common Sense Ohio Podcast for August 18, 2023.

First up, a Twitter feud went down involving former Republican staffer, Lizzie Marbach. It sparked quite a debate when she made a religious statement on Twitter. Republican Congressman Max Miller and State Representative KC Weinstein, both Jewish, went head-to-head with Marbach. Eventually, Miller apologized and deleted his participation, while Weinstein wiped his entire involvement. It just goes to show, every religion believes they're the true faith.

Moving on, remember back in 2016 when ads featuring Hollywood celebrities popped up, asking electors to change their vote from Trump to Clinton? Yeah, it was all part of a move to prevent Trump from becoming president. So, it's not really a conspiracy if both sides are doing similar things, right?

Speaking of legal matters, let's touch on the right to a speedy trial. It's not just a public desire for quick resolution; it's actually a right that belongs to the defendant. Sure, it can be frustrating when cases drag on, but the purpose of this right is to ensure that nobody is unjustly detained without due process. Even prosecutors sometimes get it wrong when they talk about it. Hey, even Trump has the right to a speedy trial!

JD Vance has been making waves in East Palestine, calling attention to the polluted soil problem. He's been criticizing FEMA, EPA, and the White House for not taking action. We stand with JD Vance and believe the people of East Palestine deserve answers.

Lastly, have you ever come across a law that just seems too complex to decipher? Our speaker shares a concern about a particular law and draws parallels with the Russia collusion situation before Trump was elected. It all seems like political targeting, using the Department of Justice to go after political enemies. This kind of stuff makes us nervous, and we strongly believe that if someone did something wrong, everyone else should be held accountable too.

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Steve Palmer [: 00:00:41

: 2023

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:06

Can can I can I start with something now?

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:08

Go right ahead.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:09

I don't mean

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:09

to jump in because because

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:10

you're always the hero of I

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:12

love you, and I love everybody.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:14

I've I don't know how to frame this thing I want to bring up.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:18

Go

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:18

ahead. Whether it's a PSA to the general public. or a money making opportunity for the state patrol. Alright. I 71 construction. I went down to Cincinnati twice in what's gonna actually be three times in 2 weeks. by the time it's all said and done, our sun our sun is at UC. So -- Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:33

--

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:34

back and forth, back and forth. Construction through there,

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:37

55

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:38

zone. Right. Nobody. Nobody's following it. No. Talk about a money making opportunity for the state.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:45

And that it involves lane changes too.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:47

Yeah. Like, you're -- -- lightning lane changes. Nobody is going 55 through there, blowing through there. And first of all, I I guess I wanna frame it as a PSA. Folks.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:57

Slow down.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:57

Give them a break.

Steve Palmer [: 00:02:58

Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason that it look. I I don't trust the government on the whole stuff. God. And and some stuff is advisory to me. I admit on these regulatory type. schemes, but I try to at least slow down, to within four or five miles per hour of the suggestion.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:14

I can live with that. These these guys were drawing, you know, one sixty seventy miles.

Steve Palmer [: 00:03:19

10

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:19

miles above what what the what they said to do. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:22

Well, and and what they do in that construction zone because I drive that pretty frequently myself is they tell the trucks to use the left lane. So the trucks have to change from the right lane over to the left lane as they transition through this, swerve where the the the lane that's being, under construction is, if they're diverting the traffic over to the left. So you have jump over to the left side of the highway and, through the construction zone and at the same time, truck are transitioning from one lane to the other. And, yeah, you just gotta back off and let people find the right lane and let them do their, swerve, to the, to the section of highway that they're diverting you to. It's it's a little tricky and at nighttime, it's unlit. And and, you know, that adds another dynamic. So, read my blog slow your ass down, which is on our website, and it it fits this exact situation.

Brett Johnson [: 00:04:32

Just take your time through there. Honestly, god, you're you're you're only gaining 3 minutes You

Steve Palmer [: 00:04:36

know, it's interesting. He's sick because my father-in-law is a was a former over the road truck driver, like, all over the country. And he gets so incensed at bad driving. Both uh-uh truck drivers are semis as well as, just people. Of course. And he's like, you these these trucks who are who are constantly cutting people off or trying to gain this or gain that. He always says exactly what you just said. He's like, that guy, maybe if he's lucky, he's put 5 minutes on his journey. or say 5 minutes on his journey.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:06

And if

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:07

that and, you know, sooner or later, you end this the slow down rather than sort of the at the Herron Tortoise. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:12

So it's

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:12

like the steady speed is gonna get there almost the same without endangering other people's lives. And, I have taken that tart. I, you know, about 10 years ago, I just decided I'm not gonna speed anymore. I still do it, like, every now and then everybody does. But, you know, I've I've kept it to a moderate set the cruise and watch everybody fly by. And it's like everything else in life. Once you accept that, it's just as, like, the stress goes down, folks. You don't have to be there that soon. And just because people are passing you, it's their problem, not yours.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:41

Leave. Right. Leave a little early. Leave on time. Allow yourself some wiggle room. If you wanna go a 160 miles an hour like I do, do it at Mid Ohio or down at National trails.

Steve Palmer [: 00:05:53

He's just counting his own horn because I think he had a good win this weekend.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:56

I had one win. I had one win and one blown up engine. So

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:00

--

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:00

Oh, you

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:00

blew an engine?

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:01

race number 2. yes, rapid, unplanned disassembly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:07

That sounds like, some military, man.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:10

We're having

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:10

a plan just assembling.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:12

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:12

So you're in mid Ohio. It was club racing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:15

Club racing. 1 my first race speed of Porsche Cup, car

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:19

911,

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:20

which was very, very satisfying. I bet it was. Incredibly satisfying. You know, the little smirk on his face, just, you know, faded.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:29

And what were you driving?

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:30

I was driving my boss 302 Mustang.

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:32

Good for you, man. Yeah. And

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:34

then it And then in the second race, just sailing down the back straight. Boom. Oh. So hey. Apparently, the oil pump on that engine, you need to use an aftermarket heavy duty 1. And

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:47

--

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:47

So is the engine just totally for -- Oh,

Steve Palmer [: 00:06:50

it rebuild the whole thing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:51

It's a four cam motor. So when those blow and the timing chains, you know, are no longer relation in relationship to the crankshaft. You tag every valve that, you know, the pistons hit the head. So I think you're you're

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:07

you're just at a you're a basket kit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:08

I already bought a crate motor, so I'm ready to go. Okay. Well, well,

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:12

thank you for the PSA moment there.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:13

Yeah. I think that's the hard news. I mean, from, like,

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:17

right,

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:18

indictments flying around the country against the former president Donald Trump. What do you got there? No.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:22

I'd I'd like to dial in to this, Columbus, Ohio Franklin County case, the largest wrongful death award in Ohio legal history came down this past week. I missed this. From a federal is a federal court here in Columbus.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:41

$787,000,000. So what was the what are the facts?

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:46

What the facts were back in

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:48

2018

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:49

little twenty three month old Jaziah Boone, was using a bunk bed him and his brothers, sold by Wayfair.

Steve Palmer [: 00:07:59

Oh, yeah. Everybody sees these Wayfair. Yeah. It's like, mhmm, like, an Amazon type thing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:03

Little bunk bed. this bunk bed was made in Vietnam. imported to the US sold by Wayfair. he became lodged between the top rung and the bed frame at the top of the bunkbed. His head could not extricate it. Little boys went and got the mother. The mother came into the bedroom, broke the ladder, was the only way she could get her son's, head out of this gap where he had,

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:31

I mean, I have I gotta stop you there. Yeah. Like, I'm starting to sweat. I already have anxious. Yeah. It's like hearing these facts makes me, well, almost like very uncomfortable.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:40

It's sick.

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:40

Anyway, sorry. Go ahead.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:41

Matt, well, it turns out that the standards, pat congress passed a, consumer protection law on baby cribs and bunk beds, believe it or not, back in

Steve Palmer [: 00:08:54

2009

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:55

and none of those standards that you you re the manufacturers are supposed to certify to the seller that they meet that criteria with an actual certificate. Wayfair never obtained that certificate from this Vietnamese factory. the factory of the wayfare and the importing companies settled with this family, the Vietnamese manufacturer sure it did not respond, did not appear in court. And, this is this is a pro form a. It was a 2 day trial. the family was asking for half of a 1,000,000,000 and the jury gave them 3 quarters. of the 1,000,000,000. So

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:35

so I wonder that that all sorts of questions

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:37

flow your mind. They're never gonna keep

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:39

in mind. This is an uncollectible problem because, obviously, they would have appeared in in and, if they had to. so they're they're probably not collectible. I'm glad that Wayfair and whoever the seller was.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:51

they've settled

Steve Palmer [: 00:09:52

settled. So product liability works that way. You can go right at the chain all the way to the manufacturer. So you start at the store, then you go to the supplier, then you go to the manufacturer, and, you know, products liability is a very, very, intricate area of injury law. And it's, I I hesitate to call it a specialty, but it is. You know, injury lawyers do a lot of that kind of stuff. So, you know, I I happen to know some products, like, liability lawyers. I will just send the obligatory shot out if you have a products liability case, You can reach me at, Palmer Legal Defense or, you know, just check us out here at, common sense, Ohio show dotcom, shoot me a note, and I can get your referral. But Good. I'm glad. I you know, you hate to hear this, and I believe in the market of lawsuits as much as as much as those darn trial lawyers, you know, the old the old Bush would say that, but, you know, there there is a way that it's helpful because what happens is now they're whoever in Wayfair is not gonna make this mistake again, and you hate to I'm not suggesting for a second that that's a fair trade for the life of a child. It is not, but it is at least a a way to be somewhat reassured that it won't take the life of another child. And, you know, the the the lawsuits making people pay, for mistakes, is a way that gets that done. And in in the corporate world, there's something called lawn Economics and anybody who hears, like, the old stories of a car manufacturer not fixing something because it would have cost more to fix pay the lawsuits. That's what I'm talking about. And, these verdict send messages to those kind of companies who are using that kind of analysis, not to pay out And -- Is

Brett Johnson [: 00:11:30

that part of the formula?

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:31

Yeah. In regards to

Brett Johnson [: 00:11:32

how much

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:32

-- Look. It's it's just it. I -- You hate to see At at its rudimentary level, if you're looking at the balance sheet of a big company and you say, look, our potential legal exposure is gonna be x. It'll cost us X Plus, you know, 50 or a 100 to, change this or recall all our products on

Brett Johnson [: 00:11:53

the go away.

Steve Palmer [: 00:11:54

Or make it go away. Whatever it is, we're gonna just, you know, they'll choose that. And so you have to increase x. You have to increase the first number to get their attention now. and the market does that. Now the federal government or there's laws on strict liability, and products liability and how that works. I I I don't know the nuances of it. I'm sure I probably don't like it. But, yeah, and it it it because I don't like many. I don't like most laws that the government or congress will pass that interferes with the free market of the legal system. So Anyway, that's my 2¢ for common sense on lawsuits.

Norm Murdock [: 00:12:25

story is Ohio at least as of: 2017

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:43

What the why would we not follow it if we didn't think that?

Norm Murdock [: 00:15:47

And so she she was simply saying, I guess, you know, that they expressing their Christian faith and somebody just went nuts on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:15:56

Apparently, a couple of representatives in had a few minutes to blow. Yeah. And decided, well, let's just kick up the little storm here. Yeah. Yeah. That's just oh my gosh.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:05

Yeah. I mean, I didn't detect any hate by anybody in that

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:09

threat, but -- -- just.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:10

--

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:10

certain amount of intolerance. And I, again, not not to be ant and, you know, anti Semitic. or anything like that. It just it happened to be 2 Jewish guys. It it could have been 2 other Christians. It could have been 2 other Muslims. It could have been 2 atheists. you know, for sure. For sure.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:27

Oh, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:27

You know, but,

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:29

yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:30

Yeah. Jesus was pretty adamant that, like, if you wanna get to heaven,

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:34

Yeah. You you you gotta

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:36

you gotta believe in me or you're not getting there. Yeah. You know? So I could see where that would offend somebody from another religion But maybe their religion has things. I'm sure it does. I'm sure. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:46

Right. I mean, look, if they don't believe it, it means they believe something else.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:50

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:16:52

So and so if I'm offended, if they if I offend them by not believing their religion, then, you know, there's a there's a little bit He blocks.

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:59

And and x is not the forum to be discussing this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:03

Well, especially if you're an elected official. I mean, it's like calm down, dude. Oh my god. Find another hill to die on, honestly. Bingo. I'm like, gosh. And I'm not talking about, you know, you know, the hill of, like, the cavalry.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:20

Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. Or Calvary.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:24

not the cavalry. Those are guys on towers.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:26

Very slow, very slow day for them. Very slow day for them.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:29

Well, there there has been, some other you know, things affecting involving Ohio here. I mean, I I think it isn't an incredible guy's this, local businessman that went to high school, and Gimi Hindu went to a Catholic high school. My high school, St. X, high school in Cincinnati, Vivek Ramaswami, He is now at 11%. He is three times higher than Mike Pence in the polls. running for president.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:00

I had not seen the polls recently.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:01

He's only thirty nine years old. I'm it's just, it it's so he went from 0. to to 11%. So he is 3rd. He's behind DeSantis. He's 3rd in the polls.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:14

You know what the catapult him?

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:16

Go ahead, man.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:17

An interview right here. Like, common sense, Ohio.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:20

That would really it would help

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:22

with our millions of listeners spanning the globe with a constant variety of common sense.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:27

amazing 10 min what 10 minutes would do.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:29

Yeah. So he was in Iowa.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:30

--

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:30

turns into a half an hour.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:32

He won't know when to stop.

Steve Palmer [: 00:18:33

Yeah. It's like a it's like a break. -- either. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:35

It's He was in he was in Iowa, and he was doing, the county fair stuff.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:39

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:39

He he decided to do M and M's wrap, you know, whoops. There goes liberty. You know?

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:46

I mean, he did, you know, so, you

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:48

know, which he being a frat boy, which he was, being, you know, like, he that they know all the words just like my son's state, you know, they can do an m m and m, you know, rap concert. You know? Well, he

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:00

he certainly is going to have an attraction for younger people. And he's fairly -- -- thirty nine years old. Yeah. Seriously?

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:07

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:07

That the younger generation's gonna see, okay. Right. We have a voice. We don't have these two old men.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:14

Well, look, and he's got an ethnic name and and a different look So it should check those boxes for the other side. I think but that only counts with the ideology. You have to you have to you have to buy into the ideology for that to count, but you know, to the extent that anybody cares about that, I do not. you know, it's, right? You can at least say it's not an old white guy.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:34

Well, in fact, in fact, the re the republicans, the Republican field with, you know, Nicky Haley. Sure. Tim Scott. It it and and Vivek, it it is remarkably diverse.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:47

Yeah. And and again, I could care less. I I don't care. No. But isn't is, or what the how your last name sounds? But it would kinda

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:53

show you. I was looking at the age, honestly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:54

It kinda shows you a young guy

Brett Johnson [: 00:19:56

or a young person.

Steve Palmer [: 00:19:57

And, again, it's it it points out the hypocrisy.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:59

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:00

you run into because it only matters if you're if you, a lot or if you have a certain identity, if you align with their ideology. And, right, that's the otherwise, you get you get just absolutely. And and not only that. I think you get skewered worse. Yeah. If if you have an identity, but you don't buy into the ideology, then you get really, really hammered.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:21

Well, the Republican party has been remarkably diverse for a long time now. We had Carly Fiorina running. We had, Herman Cain. I mean, we we had, Ben Carson Yeah. I mean, you know, incredible diversity on the Republican side for, national office.

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:39

So he's a racist. just to just like, you

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:42

know, like Larry Elder -- Like

Steve Palmer [: 00:20:44

Larry elder -- --

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:44

and Thomas Sol. -- soul. Yeah. They're they're they're they're uncle Tom's and all that. That by the way, I do recommend uncle Tom and uncle Tom too, the movies by Larry Elder, you need to go on Netflix or wherever you whatever platform and see the two movies. It's devastating what black folks go through if they decide to adhere to a conservative philosophy

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:11

-- Right. --

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:12

how they are destroyed. It's it's those movies are incredibly moving. and, inspiring. you talk about brave, courageous, you know, people that I I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:26

look, I mean, it's a road. Almost all the people who have attained that level of, success or notoriety. They get skewered like this.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:35

Wow.

Steve Palmer [: 00:21:35

You know, Clarence Thomas, not not the least of it. You know, it's like they get skewered. And and remember who

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:40

presided over that was Joe Biden. Joe Biden. Yeah. That that that, those, confirmation hearings with, Clarence Thomas were a travesty and the American people should have recalled that when they voted for Biden. He he he he he was incredibly unfair. during that entire process.

Steve Palmer [: 00:22:00

And and condescending. Condressing. Right. Just smugging. Oh, I'm just asking. I'm just Hey. Yeah. Listen to him question Thomas Holder, a video of that, and it's just like, he is so, so disingenuous.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:13

Been that way forever. Yeah. It's just awful. The another thing, that I think we should talk about. the ex checker, our expert on chemical spills is not here with us, but we will recall that, episode where we had him here for an hour. And JD Vance, to Jay's point, Jay is our expert. JD Vance this past week came out and said, you know, hey, I he went back to East Palestine. He been there several times, and he said, hey, nothing's getting done. There are millions of tons of this polluted soil that, you know, Jay told us about was was gonna be there as a legacy basically forever until it's either incinerated or somehow treated and it has to be removed and trucked to Texas or some place where they where they can incinerate the, the chemicals out of that and and it JDs saying, you know, the FEMA and EPA and the White House promised to come out now that, you know, Biden's never been there and, hey, it's he he he's he's raising holy hell. So go j d. I think I think those people deserve answers. I can you imagine Onan Hotel in East Palestine? I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:28

I I mean, who

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:29

the hell's gonna go? Who's gonna go there?

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:31

And if if the president wanted to go there, then who the hell else would go there? I mean, it's like, But but be I mean, that's sort of tongue and cheek, but look at it this way. I I it's it's so it it's such a cliche that that became the national news story of the day. And now it's just brushed brushed aside under the rug and nobody care or nobody even gives it a second thought. And there's that going on everywhere. Right? There's always the next disaster, the next big news story, the next whatever. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:56

But, you

Steve Palmer [: 00:23:56

know, for those who live in East Palestine, Ohio, trying to put their lives back together and think. I wonder if it's safe to raise my family here. It's like, is gonna be a ghost town, folks. I mean, these people, like, I would get the hell out of there if I could, I think. Yeah. Right. You know, we gotta, you know, we'll see if we can desk checker for a follow-up on that to see what's really going on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:15

You know, and, sadly, I I shouldn't compare East Palestine with Lahaina, Hawaii, but guess who's gonna get fixed?

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:23

Of

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:23

course. Right. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:24

Of course. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:25

Yeah. Because of the it it's a tourist destination. I get it. And it's it's a it's probably a poor Wow. Example, but it's it's same time. It's not gonna that place is not gonna get brushed away.

Steve Palmer [: 00:24:35

What your point is worthy of making. It's like they're not gonna forget about a a Hawaii. And and and you there's probably an argument that you could say, well, there's more money there. There's more this there, and there's more of that there. But to the extent that people use this as a use east Palestine as some sort of political platform against whatever or for whatever. Now that that cause is gone. And now here we are, but somebody's gotta clean up the mess.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:56

Was was it the last time though? We heard no state was accepting any of that soil. Didn't it get shut down? I thought but maybe I maybe,

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:04

Yeah. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:05

And this remembering

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:06

--

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:06

Well, it's because we were

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:07

shipping it out kind of secretly and all of a sudden, Texas shut it down. Yeah. Another state shut down. Now at that that's old that's old news, though.

Steve Palmer [: 00:25:13

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:13

I just wonder if it's the same scenario that we don't we we we don't know where the hell we're gonna take this stuff.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:18

Well, Ohio has always been like a dumping ground for other States. Yeah. I mean, New York City, I mean, I mean, it's well known. New York City with truck. It's it's waste materials to Ohio by the train load. And, you know, because we would have vast open spaces and we we were a little bit You know, there's an industry in waste management. Sure. Let's face it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:44

Sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:45

Yeah. I hate to say we were a leader in that industry.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:48

So

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:49

But, yeah, you could see, you know, that's kind of what killed, Jimmy Carter's breeder reactor, idea was there was gonna be this storage center that handled nuclear, byproducts. And basically, no state would step up in in in in and allow it to be, as, you know, in in their state. And so, you know, at some point, you know, it it these these kinds of things from a practical level have to happen. Somebody gotta handle it. Yeah. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:21

Yeah. The problem's gotta get solved. Right?

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:22

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:23

Yeah. We can't just leave this.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:24

tine. Marjorie Taylor Green's: 2020

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:43

Wow. Yeah. That's just is a

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:45

I I hate

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:46

I hate I think we talked was it last week we were talking about this? I hate charities.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:50

Have not heard about them.

Steve Palmer [: 00:26:51

I hate charities where the people the face of the charities make all the money. Yeah. It just it's so gross.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:57

Yeah. But these these guys

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:59

have happened with the Dominican Republic in Haiti. There was some, yeah, a music superstar guy. And I think he meant well, but whatever he set up, the the management Like, he didn't oversee it very carefully. And and the management just kept the money.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:15

Nice to keep the money.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:16

It was, Ohio clean water fund. I remember that name.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:20

Yeah. Hi. So -- For some reason -- -- clean water fund. They were taking money, and it was all going right together.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:24

Yeah. A

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:25

149,000

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:27

to give to the 2nd harvest food bank of Mahoney Valley, and it only gave

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:33

10,010,000. in Sandy. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:36

It's Sandy. Exactly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:37

And

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:38

you knew that was gonna happen.

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:39

It's it it you knew it was. -- all these. It's all just theater.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:43

I think it's just

Steve Palmer [: 00:27:43

political theater.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:44

I think in Maui, the the the thing that's going on now since, you know, all those buildings are raised, that, you know, like, if you're I'm I'm not picking on Hyatt or, you know, or Holiday Inn or whoever, But you can imagine a big developer just saying to themselves, okay. Basically, now it's reverted back to nature I'll just go in and, you know, lay down a, you know, for Primo Real Estate, right, right in front of the harbor. Can you imagine somebody just peeling off the $1,000,000 bills and waving it in these people's faces.

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:21

Well, I think worse is gonna be the government

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:24

Preventing that. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:28:26

No. No. No. That the government money subsidizing. That's what that's what upsets me is, like, the the developers will come in and get super fat because they're gonna get grants and government money and everything in in FEMA checks. I I don't know. I'm guessing. I I I well, the governor I'm completely guessing.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:41

Yeah. You I think So the governor of of Hawaii is now, he he he has been saying that the state of Hawaii, made may basically through eminent domain basically take it take it. You know, because the he wants to prevent develop he wants to prevent what he called mainlanders. You know, the other the other foreign areas.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:04

You know what?

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:05

But that's which is which

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:07

is fair though.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:08

Well, it's wrong. It it it it's still both are wrong. Right? So yeah. So if if I own a restaurant, they're on the harbor, and it burned to the ground, and basically I'm out everything except the real estate. What if I wanna sell to a developer? The the state of Hawaii is now blocking that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:27

Well, Hawaii, if they're gonna take it with imminent imminent domain, they're gonna have to pay for it. So the question's gonna be what's the what's the delta? Could they have made more selling it through developers and and they're gonna have domain litigation with the state. Yeah. As to how much they're gonna get. So if I lost my property or my property were destroyed, I should have an insurance check. coming for the damage to rebuild it. And if the government wants to take my real estate, they've gotta pay a fair market value for it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:54

Yeah. You would think. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:55

for sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:29:56

And there's really, I mean, look, this is going on in your bird. Your little handling. Oh, yeah. That's interesting. That's interesting. The government is, the the government's taken people's land on roadways in order to make bigger roads for intel.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:07

And they don't pay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:30:08

And, well, you know, I've I've been called by a few people who are in litigation. asking for good quality litigation property attorneys who can go fight. And, you know, there's a you have to fight though. You can't if you take their money, Yeah. And if you take their offer and you think it's a good offer and they just come if somebody's knocking on your door, it's like a movie, you know, some some dude in the suit walking up offering you a big check It's like it's you could probably get more. You could probably get more. You know, it's probably undervalued.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:34

So so, Brett, I'm I'm with you. I am predisposed to be disgusted by Folchers. Right? Right. Who circle around, at devastation and take advantage of people. But on the other You know, on the other hand, right, so so you have this feeling like those people need to be protected. Okay. You know, on the other hand, right, if you take away property rights from people to handle their own situation, that's wrong also. Yeah. So I, you

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:04

know, eminent domains in the constitution right there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:07

No. I'm I'm I'm talking about people that that wanna sell, like, right now.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:11

Sure. Gotcha. Yeah. Sure. You know

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:12

what I'm saying? Sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:13

Well, look, if if so then you'd get into court. So if I've got an offer from a mainlander --

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:19

Yeah. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:19

-- who's gonna pay 10,000,000 and the government The Hawaii state government is offering me 5,000,000. I'm gonna be in court saying, look, you're telling me it's only worth 5,000,000, but I have an offer for 10. Yeah. we gonna reconcile this?

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:32

Yeah. You

Steve Palmer [: 00:31:33

know, the government can't do that or at least I hope not.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:35

Well, this governor in Hawaii has put in a number of emergency orders And, for example, he will not let even insurance adjusters at to these sites. You know, for them to verify, yes, this house burned to the ground. Mhmm. We're ready to cut a check. But, you know, they they emergency's over. Yeah. I mean, come on, man. Let them in there. You know, let them it it's it's like there's some kind of government plan or obstruction a foot. And I guess we'll see how this develop

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:04

And I know Maui in that area is very coveted by the state, you know, the state. I mean, it's it's sad.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:12

Yeah. Sure.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:12

It's beautiful. You know, that that it'll never be back to where it was. And that's just a gorgeous piece of our country.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:17

Yes, sir. Gone. Yeah. So I

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:19

I could see it. I could see where the emotions are coming in going. We have to protect this. We have we we can't be built into hotel health or hotel after hotel and

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:27

and write the check. Yeah. If if the governor wants to take it, follow the eminent domain rules -- Right. -- write the check.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:34

Right. Yeah. And can you imagine how the government would mismanage that?

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:38

Well, the thing too. Then you got the it's a yin and the yang.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:41

It's like this is good fun.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:42

real estate business? Exactly.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:44

Exactly. It sounds good, but Sounds good, but

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:46

Have either of you guys ever been there beef you know,

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:49

I've never been to. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:50

So yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:50

We did it on on our honeymoon.

Steve Palmer [: 00:32:52

That's gorgeous.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:53

You've been to Lahaina.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:54

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:54

Okay. It was a kinda ramshackle, but it was old fashioned fishing village. Yeah. Motif. Beautiful. And -- Yeah. So the government would never duplicate that.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:04

No. It would it because they're gonna be influenced by outside. It's now the government owns the money that Oh, they are not a developer. No. No. So guess who they're gonna hire.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:14

Right. They they Mainlanders come to in. Well, look. It's gonna be a grip. It's a they're gonna hire whoever gave them the That's some, like, 100%. You think they're gonna select the developers on the open market? Right. Of course. No. There's gonna be some backdoor deal that goes on. That's just that's just the nature of government action.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:30

Yeah. It it it was like Key West or one of those, you know, like, you know, a hundred year old bars. It still had nostalgia. That's right. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:37

Yeah. They can't put it I mean, you know, no.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:40

How do you restore?

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:41

And and I wonder if a lot of those, natives, those that live there may not sell. They wanna be there. That's their home.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:48

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:48

The their their heritage is there. Yeah. So there there's a lot of mix

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:53

We will see.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:53

Next step going on.

Steve Palmer [: 00:33:54

We will see.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:55

The, I thought, you know, there's a lot of federal stories. I don't know if you guys got any more Ohio stuff. I I'm ready to plow and just

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:02

Other than Larose's, kicked some kicked a campaign manager off.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:06

Oh, yeah. Frank. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:08

I did that. I thought you

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:08

were talking about the pizza company.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:11

What he, fired, fired an advisor for jumping on Twitter, with anti trump remarks.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:20

Really? I don't blame him. He was -- No. No. I don't. He was endorsed by Trump last time.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:26

You know? Yeah. Exactly. I got a problem with that.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:29

I got a problem. Look. I well, I don't know. I gotta I this he's working for Frank. So it's like, right. I control what my well, first of all, This is a public entity. So it's

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:39

a little bit different. There's government action here. So Oh, I don't know about that. You you say campaign.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:46

say campaign or somebody that worked in the government.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:48

Worked worked on Frank's, campaign.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:50

Well, if it's a campaign adviser, he's gone. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:52

Yeah. Right. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:53

Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:53

Yeah. We're all on the same understood that.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:56

Yeah. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:57

Yeah. So that's different.

Brett Johnson [: 00:34:58

Yeah. For sure. For sure. For sure.

Steve Palmer [: 00:34:59

And so if somebody is --

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:00

I guess I'm I guess I'm looking at Frank's people going, you get it. dumpster fire here, Frank. Right. So I'll issue one kind of bitch in the ass.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:07

I'll just you you can't

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:08

be on the campaign team. And then and then, I don't care if it's pro Trump against Trump or any trump.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:13

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:13

It's like you gotta tow the line for the campaign. So you're hired. You're this is like a marketing person. is, sending out messages contrary to the company you're working for.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:22

Yeah. Like Bud Light Girl. Yeah. I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:25

that's right. It's like that. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:26

Yeah. So You're gone.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:27

So if I have an employee out there,

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:28

I'm sure blindsided him. I'm sure it did, but it's like, dude, you get a dumpster fire going

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:32

on for your

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:33

campaign right now.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:34

If I've got employees tweeting and tech thing and sending out messages that are contrary to my business interest. They're gone. They're gone.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:40

They're gone for sure. Oh, yeah. There's there's yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:35:43

Get a new job.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:43

Yeah. instantly. But anyway,

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:45

I I thought this was, you know, with all the campaign, you know, now everybody's an ex reporting campaign laws, right, because of the January 6 indictments and, but in the background, while all this noise was going down, you know, us, that Sam Bankman Freed guy, the guy who had that, what do you call it? The currency that's not really currency.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:07

The -- Oh, crypto?

Steve Palmer [: 00:36:08

--

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:08

stuff. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:08

Yeah. Mister crypto, dude. So, Sam, he in the last in in the midterms gave $39,000,000 other than George Soros, he was the number 2 donor to, the Democrats in the, in the midterms. And, of course, that money wasn't his. I mean, that was part of the grift that that Bankman Freed is being prosecuted for is taking company money and doing projects with it that were purely personal. And so he did that with 39,000,000 The FEC and, are, Merrick Garland, decided that they're not gonna press charges on that. which blows me away. It's almost like it's almost like this irony that, you know, like, Hillary was being interviewed by Rachel Madau. And -- I

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:02

mean, what a PowderPuff interview that was.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:04

Oh, and and and Hillary went on and on about how the indictments of Trump show that the, you know, the efforts to put Trump in jail show that the system's working and that, you know, election denial should be a, you know, a crime. It should be criminalized. And it's I'm like, I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:37:22

there there are 100 statements that she's made even to date about how she got ripped off and the election was stolen from her.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:28

do remember this now. Back in: 2016

Steve Palmer [: 00:38:52

Yeah. Now it's in look. Just go back. If this is Rico, so the the latest indictment is a Rico indictment against Trump. When that's engaging in pet or, you know, how we call engaging in pet the one in

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:04

Georgia. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:39:05

And, you know, what that is is like a, I mean, that's a mishmash. Anybody who wants to get confused, go read that law. But, if if if there weren't the same thing going on the day after or even before Trump was elected, by the Russia hoax and this collusion that was happening. I don't know what l I mean, the and and look, this is not to say that Trump it did or didn't do anything, but it is to say that it reeks of political targeting and using DOJ in various state departments of justice to target your political enemy. And and that scares the crap out of me, guys. I mean, that that scares the crap out of me. Oh, yeah. Because Look. If somebody did something wrong, they don't get a pass, but at least make the case against everybody else too. And if you don't, then you better be able to have a good explanation other than We just don't like this guy or he's just really, really bad. So we didn't go after you guys. We went after it. I mean, the the the Hillary stuff of the irony of the Hillary mess is that that stinks I mean, that still smells like rotten eggs, and it's been 5 years or 7 years.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:06

Right. She's still whining about it, and it's like, well, wait a minute. You denied the election results lady.

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:13

A hundreds of times. 100

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:14

of in books. Right. I mean, on And

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:16

not only denied it. Tried tried to influence it. With those TVs? With those right. It it's it's hard insanity.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:25

It's under insanity. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:26

Yeah. I I decide to look this up. I mean, can electors do that? I mean, I guess you you can, according to history, a 165 electors have not cast our votes for president or vice president as prescribed by the legislature of the state they represented.

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:40

Yeah. The dems did that against Trump. I forget how many did vote. Yeah. But there there was a handful that would not be electoral college. They would not vote the electoral college. That's exactly what, all these people got chastised for Trump doing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:50

Yeah. So, anyway, it is possible.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:52

Well, so when -- -- done. But -- -- when Mike Pence, though, it should be empiric when

Steve Palmer [: 00:40:56

when it's like a no. I'm not doing it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:58

Yeah. Right. Right. But when when Mike Pence so I grate you guys a little memo, it basically pounded my chest. I was right. You know? And I'm not saying you guys said that I was wrong. I'm I'm just saying, you know, I was really strong on the idea that when Mike Pence pounces chest and claims that it's all very clear what the vice president's supposed to do, Actually, there's an

Steve Palmer [: 00:41:19

1847

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:21

law, a: 2017

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:29

But that's not exactly what he was doing. He wasn't even doing that. I look. If I'm defending He

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:34

didn't even go that far. You're right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:35

What, you know, if you listen to the tapes of those calls to Georgia, what he's like, Trump is operating at that point, Right or wrong. He's operating at that point on that telephone call as if there were fraudulent votes

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:50

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:42:50

Not counted or or votes not counted. And if you start with that premise, then it basically negates any criminal intent. So what he's saying is go for I only need this many votes. Right. I know you've got more than that that weren't counted or were otherwise fraudulent. Go find him.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:09

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:10

Now that's different than saying, go, vent go invent some fraudulent votes. Right. Those are 2 different those those are very distinct things. Now if it's the first way, there is absolutely zero crime in that. It's it looked. It was, like, a lot of stuff. It is it was a poorly worded perhaps and, you know

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:27

He's a bull in a tiny shop when it comes to this stuff. Yep. He is. Yes. Yes. He is. Yeah. But

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:31

it wasn't like, that's not a crime.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:33

That's not a

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:33

crime.

Steve Palmer [: 00:43:34

That's not a crime. And, you know, if he if he believes that there that there were fraudulent votes are not counted and there probably were. Now, maybe not enough. But what he's saying is go count them and find it. I need this many and this gets that this changes the election. I need this. And he's he's like, he's it's not saying stop at that many, but this is all I need. go find him. If you're on my side, you're gonna go ferret out this fraud that you know exists. And that's not saying Go, invent or create or overturn an election that doesn't have any basis to be overturned. That's saying there is a basis to overturn it. Help me do it. And those are 2 different things.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:10

lanta. We saw that video from: 2000

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:36

It's fishy stuff, man.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:37

It's hey. Come on.

Steve Palmer [: 00:44:38

And here's here's the thing. Here's the thing. if I am on a legal team defending one of these defendants, I am gonna use something one of the most important rights that we have under the 6th Amendment. It's called compulsory process. I am subpoena All sorts of things, all sorts of records, all sorts of documents. I am gathering information because now the defense is I believed that there were fraudulent votes in I get to prove why I believe that. And, you know, this is like it's sort of like defamation truth as a defense. So now it opens up for the defense the not only ability, but the constitutional right to gather information to verify this stuff. And people In politics, this prosecutor down there is a political prosecution. If she were here, I would tell her to her face as a political prosecution, shame on you, making a reco case out of this nonsense, Shame on you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:33

Yeah. But guess what? 18 people. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:45:36

Go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Move forward at your peril. because now you're gonna pick the scab and you're gonna have to get to the rot. You're gonna have to get there because all of a sudden, What you have buried here too for is now gonna get exposed. So if there is a hint of of fraud, it's coming out and it's coming out because you opened up the door. and it's gonna, you know, so chain

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:58

chain of custody issues. All kinds

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:01

of things. All sorts of stuff. It's all coming out.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:03

And you

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:03

may still lose the case on the defense side. but I am scorching the earth if I'm on this case. I am scorching the freaking earth, and I'm gonna find out everything there is to find out, and nobody can stop me because I got subpoena power.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:14

And it'll be well after the election.

Steve Palmer [: 00:46:16

It'll be well after the election, but this is the thing. So I told Jay the ex checker, I said, listen. The legal system is far from perfect, and it certainly doesn't work quickly. probably for good reason, but it does work. It's like this glacier that keeps moving forward and eventually it catches up and we're seeing it. We're starting to see it. We're still it's it's uncovered also to crap on COVID. It's uncovered also to crap on the hunter biden. It's like it's slowly emerging through litigation that this crap is BS.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:44

The only the only thing in this case when you talk about election law right, is the the indictment itself, right, is the punishment. That's so so, you know, you Jack Smith

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:01

can fail this, a

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:01

fanny, forget her last name, lady in, the prosecutor in Georgia, she can fail. All of these people can fail in the final, you know, legal bit of this process. but during the pendency of this election, they are this is election interference in and of itself to do these indictments.

Steve Palmer [: 00:47:26

You're correct. Right. So what they are trying to prevent they are doing. So don't tell me that this and and and here's the other thing I keep hearing is, like, they they keep talking to make your point of say I'm not very eloquent today, but, but you keep hearing this notion of speedy trial. You know, the public deserves a speedy trial. So to punctuate your point even more so norm, they're saying we want this done, like, now. So we're gonna take a guy. We're gonna indict him on with 18 others on a Rico case that in in any look, I've I have a federal murder case right now, and I've had the case for over a year, and it's now set for trial in January. And that may even get continued. You know, it's like you don't get into federal court with 18 defendants and expect it to go in 3 months or 6 months. It it's it's insanity. particularly when the guy you've charged is also facing indictments that predate yours in 3 other jurisdictions, you know, you you can't do that. And so it's not the public's right to a speedy trial. It's trumps right to a speedy trial. It's every defendant right to a speedy trial. They have the right. Not you. And, you know, that's how this works. And I get to waive that right if I want to. I can waive it. I don't have to have it. So the idea of the right to speedy trial was to prevent the government from sticking you in jail and and holding you there without any sort of, due process. So you have a right to a speedy and public trial. They can't just they can't just bury you in Cuba. Right? So everybody was all over it then. they said they can't do it. They just can't do that. So the idea that this is a public right to a speedy trial. Like, I hear these AUSA is talking like this. These prosecutors, we have a right to a speedy trial. Were you all right? It's like, no. You don't. You don't. Yeah. Trump has a right to a speedy trial.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:00

Right. And

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:00

it's his choice where he wants to exercise it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:02

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:49:02

And he also has a right to defend himself. He has a right to counsel. He has a right to prepare and present a meaningful defense to the crimes charge. It's called Inray Winship. It's been around forever. There it's like this goes back folks to, like, our founding of our country. and the due process clause says that we have a right to have an opportunity to defend ourselves and putting a guy under the gun in 5 different or 4 different jurisdictions or 5 different jurisdictions, making him go to trial back to back to back to back to back to back is nothing short of the government violating his right to present a defense. And anybody who sees this otherwise, just because you hate Trump's shame on you. Yeah. Because next time it's your buddy, or it's your uncle or it's your dad or it's you. And if you think you're gonna give up the right for just because you hate Trump and you're cool with it, well, guess what? Like I always say, the devil Cira Lader turns around on you, and there are no protections left.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:54

And I like your point of that speedy trial doesn't really necessarily unfold all the problems here. Let's let it sift out.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:01

Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:01

If it takes a couple of years, we may all learn something from this. We may

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:05

all learn a thing or 2. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:07

Hey. Hey. And I'm I don't know whether Pro Trump or against her, whatever, we may learn and let's don't repeat this crap.

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:13

Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:14

And so -- -- don't repeat it. Let's let's say

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:15

let's take it through. If I'm defending Trump or any one of these guys charged in Georgia, I'm I'm right now meeting with my team saying, alright. We need this public record request. We need this subpoena. We're gonna have to file motions to compel this information, this information, and this information. And by the way, the case I'm talking about in Toledo, it's like we're now just now getting discovery dumps. So we're still getting stuff from the government. I'm not blaming them. I'm not gonna say that they're doing it on purpose, but this crap takes time.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:42

e. That death of the baby was: 2018

Steve Palmer [: 00:50:49

2023. It takes time. So if I'm sending out all these things, and then now I'm gonna get, motions to quash my subpoenas. So that's gonna take, what, 3 4, 5, 6 months to to litigate that crap. Yeah. And then we gotta go into court, have hearings, have a win win or lose the motion to quash. Judges will have to review records in camera I mean, there's all sorts of crap that has to happen. I think marketing on multiple reports from a guy in Minnesota right now who's backed up.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:15

Wow.

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:16

So he can't get to me. I I reached him reached out to him 2 months ago. He can't get to it till this fall. And so should I, like, in the what if the judge says, no, I don't care about your expert. You gotta go to trial. That's not a fair defense.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:26

No. That's an appeal of probably an appeal a basis for an appeal. Right?

Steve Palmer [: 00:51:30

-- constitutional violation.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:32

Like, martial arts. So Trump's chief of staff at the time. So he's OTJ. He's on the job. Right? He's not part of the Trump campaign, but as chief of staff as a public employee, he has the right to that what I'm hearing from Dershowitz and other experts, a federal employee on the job has the right to have this case removed to federal court. And Mark Meadows is doing that. So he's just one of the eighteen people. There's gonna be all these various -- Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:02

--

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:02

you know, Some defendants have different defenses and different, theories of of innocence than others.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:09

Well, and don't discount the importance of moving this to federal court because you know what it changes. The number one thing that changes is the jury pool. So federal district courts like in Ohio and our Eastern or Southern District Eastern Division division The jury pool go all the way down to Southern Ohio.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:25

Oh, wow.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:25

Yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:26

Okay.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:26

So in Franklin County, though, if I have a trial, it's Franklin County. It's mostly Columbus

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:31

Gotcha.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:31

So in Fulton County, Georgia, it's like he's gonna get a whole different trial than he would if he's getting, the rural Georgia jurors coming up. My god. That's a game changer. Game changer. So if the so you I always ask this. You know, you hate to hate to use this logic, but it's it's a it's a point of way to point out logical flaws in people's arguments. Like, why are you objecting to this, or why don't you, you know, why do you want this? It's like, because they don't. Right? So so figure out why they don't.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:57

Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:52:57

Like, why does this prosecutor care if it gets removed to federal court unless she knows She's got a a Homer jury ready to rock and roll on her behalf. And if she can't prove her case to all the Georgia citizens and is unwilling to try, well, then shame on her.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:10

Yeah. Boy, great. Wow. That's a great -- Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:13

--

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:13

great insight there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:53:14

Yeah. It is. That's that's a great breakdown.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:17

There's some There's some crazy. There's some crazy spending going on. I I just thought this would be interesting to bring up these two things. So a couple of recent moves by the White House. you we've we've heard about these prisoners that Iran had. 5 of them and secretly without any, you know, apparently without any sort of, authorization or or a pre announcement,

Steve Palmer [: 00:53:41

$5,000,000,000

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:43

from the White House being given to Iran, in order to get them to release 5 prisoners at $1,000,000,000 per prisoner.

Brett Johnson [: 00:53:53

and a

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:53

lot of people are saying just like, you know, we talk about you always get more of what you pay for. That's a Thomas Sewell. You know, you know, if if you set the pattern that you're going to pay for prisoners, I mean, it incentivizes terrorist states to take more prison.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:09

I thought I thought we took a stand and we don't do that stuff.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:11

Yeah. Well, we do.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:13

So Jeez.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:14

Yeah. So $5,000,000,000. I hate to

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:16

put a price tag on anybody's life. I mean, everybody's worth much more than that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:20

But we're gonna get we're gonna get more of these citizens getting kidnapped. You know, some of them, I think, were journalists and they claimed that they were CIA agents. No one guys have reporter for, I think, for the New York Times He's been there since

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:33

2018.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:34

But, you know, these kinds of things, and and you're just Yeah. Well, and

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:39

and also that money's worth that that money's nothing to Iran. Correct? I mean, it's the point. Well, it's but

Steve Palmer [: 00:54:45

why are

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:46

we paying a buck?

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:46

think about it if you think about it. It it's it's it's it's not

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:50

god bless Jimmy Carter. He did he he launched a military mission, you know, to get the embassy employees back. You know, it it it's not his fault. It failed. Right? You know, it was weather and equipment stuff broke down and whatever. but the original special forces, that was their very first mission, actually, was that mission. Okay. And, I mean,

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:10

that was a debacle of the highest That

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:12

was that was a terrible. You you had a couple of planes in the sandstorm hit each other and, yeah, it was it, you know, but

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:19

That was, like, the nails and the coffin of a completely failed administration.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:22

But to Brett's point, back then, we did not give money for kidnapped Americans. We no. That's war. We that's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:31

That's war.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:32

That's the buck.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:32

And and right now, I knew that was war. That's why those y'all hostages were released. the day.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:36

That's right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:37

He he, was it was, like, the day after he was inaugurate or whatever it was.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:41

It was in January. Yeah. Or or, yeah, I mean, after. Right? Soon after.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:44

So I go on vacation to Egypt. I get captured by, I don't know, the Muslim Brotherhood or something. You know, Yeah. Sure. I wanna be released. My boys would want me to be released and all.

Steve Palmer [: 00:55:55

So you release them, or we're going to absolutely level your country. Right. You've you this is an attack on our country. Right. Release them or else.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:04

We'll hunt you down. A hellfire missile would hit your tank. your life,

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:08

and we're gonna do with a drone strike and nobody else is gonna be hurt. It's like, so here's your choice, man. Die or give us our people back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:14

That's right. You're not gonna get a

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:15

$1,000,000,000. say that we're American bullies. And I say, yes, we are. Because at least at least we can wield that power without kidnapping other people's citizens.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:23

And and put yourself in that prisoner's situation. Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:26

These are our people. Do you

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:27

want to come back or you wanna be tortured for years

Steve Palmer [: 00:56:31

and yeah. Maybe maybe you can make an argument about whether somebody's in the game. So it's it's like in the mafia. Like, in the game. He's gonna, you know, he's at risk for getting killed, but, you know, maybe they're spies or maybe they're not. I don't know. But -- Yeah. You know, to the extent that, other, that are Ad adversaries, I'll say. Yeah. Even if you only go to enemy. Yeah. But to the extent our adversaries have our citizens and are holding them hostage, It's like game over dude.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:55

Yeah. Like that guy from Ohio that North Korea had.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:58

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:58

And they gave us him back half dead.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:01

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:01

And he did die. This is and he stole a poster. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:05

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:05

He took a poster off a wall. Right. It's a souvenir.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:08

And where's the media on this?

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:09

honestly.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:10

Like, where's the media on this? And even our basketball player in Russia, it's like, I don't care what she touts or what she doesn't tout. Give her back.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:16

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:18

Give her back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:18

Yeah. And NSR recall, we paid something to get her back too.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:22

Wow. There was there was a there was a bargain struck. Oh, yeah. Yeah. back some one of their people.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:26

Oh, the dog's a war guy. The guy that the the guy they that Nick cage movie. Yeah. We we gave them that guy back.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:33

Yeah. We gave them, like, we had a basketball player who tried to go into Soviet Union with marijuana.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:40

Yeah. Cbd or something.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:42

Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:42

Yes.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:43

Right. Like, you personally use amounts.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:45

Right.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:45

And and they put her in some, you know, Gulag in in Russia. And, that's not a trade. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:51

Give her back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:51

And they got back an arms trafficker.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:53

Yeah. Give her back.

Norm Murdock [: 00:57:55

Yeah. That wasn't that wasn't easy.

Steve Palmer [: 00:57:56

What's the incentive? like, alright. We're just gonna start taking American citizens and put them in jail because look what happens. We look at the like, whatever the bargaining is.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:03

You ever noticed in the Middle East, they never kidnapped, Russian. officials, sir.

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:09

Because it's war. It's an act of war.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:10

Well, because Putin, I mean, he's he's

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:13

he's not gonna tolerate that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:14

Oh, he's known to assassinate, like, you take his people? Yep. Like, for every

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:18

-- I'm not suggesting he's always right, but the point is is, like, if you come out weak, you're gonna be treated as your weak.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:23

That's right. You so we're gonna get we're gonna get more of this.

Steve Palmer [: 00:58:26

We have to flex our muscle in the state, in the world, in the state of the world on the on and because look, I mean, you can say, why are you guys right? Right. Right. Because we are, you know, we're better. You know, we we try we have We have wielded this power, not perfectly, but, if we don't, somebody else will, and that's the problem. The vacuum's getting full folks in your little utopian version of this. that, that China won't, it won't come in and do bad stuff. It's like you're living in La la land.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:52

Oh, yeah. Well, it it another spending, here we go. a couple weeks back, we we had so many other things that we're talking about, but I don't wanna let this get by.

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:04

21,000,000,000

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:06

more dollars promised by Biden to Ukraine,

Steve Palmer [: 00:59:12

21,000,000,000,

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:13

is is just through the end of: 2023

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:44

mean, even general grant knew this in

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:44

in the civil war, in a total war situation, if you if you give humanitarian aid, that means Ukraine can spend more on military. I mean, it's It's the same thing. Yes. $21,000,000,000. It's a shit down there.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:02

It's all no show game of

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:03

dollars. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:04

So to call it humanitarian Come on.

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:06

It's just such nonsense.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:07

But, I mean, it's the never ending war, and I think we're now approaching

Steve Palmer [: 01:00:12

$1,000,000,000,000. It's big book. is forecasted. I think it was Mike Ditka of all people. And I don't always live this way, but I try this is this reminds me of of a saying yet, which is like you tolerate what you or you endure what you tolerate. And, you know, there there's that's a very, insightful quote. So if you're done tolerating this, if if Biden or the if we don't want this anymore, then step in and end it one way or another. Like, you and it the more you let it go, the more out of control it gets. I mean, this is so it's it's like any other logical problem. Like, if you if you don't pull your weeds when you see them, they're going to take over. Yes. and it's like half measures aren't gonna get it done. It's going to take over. It's gonna get out of control, and you're gonna have to endure it because you've tolerated it.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:56

This war this Ukraine war is starting to feel like a military industrial complex like Bonanza. They are testing a.

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:07

That's an interesting thought. Like, what's the, like, who's making money?

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:10

Well, they are testing ai. and and various kinds of like siege drones that that, you know, unmanned, boats, you know, essentially torpedoes, but they're operated through artificial intelligence. And I believe that the first strike ever by a an AI guided aircraft occurred during this war just like last month.

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:32

Interesting.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:33

Yeah. It was at a, in in yes.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:36

Yes. We're we're in it was our technology. Ukraine sent a to Russia.

Steve Palmer [: 01:01:40

Right?

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:40

Like, we yes. And so it it it it's alleged that that's US AI military technology and we're basically beta testing during this war. Like like we're the the Pentagon in the industrial complex, you know, all the big manufacturers in America. And I'm sure in Israel and Germany and France and England, This is a way for them to test out stuff while they're, quote, giving aid to Ukraine.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:11

So no incentive to end this now then.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:13

No. It's a financing, man.

Steve Palmer [: 01:02:15

Yeah. No. It's in fact account a contra incentive.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:17

Contrin. Right. This is you ever read the the house of corrupt by William Manchester. great book. And it's basically how World War won the trench and this is trench warfare now in Ukraine, but it's basically how the you know, the makers of all those big super canons in World War 1 and the makers of the the new then new in World War 1 machine guns. Right? Yeah. some machine gun, you know, John Browning's guns and the BAR and all this technology. It was a bonanza back then. And the the whole point of the book is even though Germany lost the war, The the Crop Corporation in Germany. I mean, it just it it it it it grew exponentially. to become like a a super corporation around the world to where before World War

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:07

2

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:08

started various companies in England and Germany were actually selling arms to their enemies that they were gonna fight in a couple of years. like like England was buying England was buying, scopes and and and, sites for their aircraft from Germany. right before World War

Steve Palmer [: 01:03:28

2.

Brett Johnson [: 01:03:29

Jeez.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:29

Yeah. So -- Okay. -- like, behind the scenes

Brett Johnson [: 01:03:32

And I and I know this is it's its own industry. I I get that. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:36

Yeah. And it's like it's all about making money and and you you wonder, well, where's the patriotism? Well, wait. when you wave a dollar in somebody's face, their patriotism starts to fade a little. And then it's like, well, what I guess if I don't sell this, whatever the object is, well, somebody else will. You know? So so using that as an excuse, you you know?

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:00

Yeah. Yeah. I I I yeah. I get Yeah. It just it just it's mind boggling that this whole thing is turning into a a war experiment. Yeah. That, okay. We're now into it going on 2 years we're we're past the point of like it's really gonna resolve. So let's experiment a little bit.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:15

Well, even Biden said that we're now running low on our artillery, supplies. So even Biden said, you know, we're low on shells. So somebody's gonna make new artillery shells. Right? And we're talking 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of those shells.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:30

And who is that organization? How much money do they give?

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:33

Right. That's right. And and you're hearing no efforts to try to bring these 2 countries together to talk.

Steve Palmer [: 01:04:38

None. We're because -- None. There there look. There's always a reason for it's like the Thomas Soul. It's like there's always, like, there's a reason here. And I I I hesitate to look, incompetence could explain this to some extent, but money in power and ego usually are behind a lot of this stuff too. So look, guys, I gotta wrap it up. I gotta get to court believe it or not. I do have another job other than common sense, Ohio, but that could all change if you just wanna become a sponsor and start, getting your message out while we get our message out. So if you want to have a common sense message about your business, about what you do for a living, your service that you provide, the goods that you sell,

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:11

or if you wanna sponsor my race car.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:12

If you wanna sponsor those race car, you want your picture, your pretty picture on Norm's trunk. You know,

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:19

you know, what to do?

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:20

Well, the car sounded weird. Yeah. The the car. I was gonna say on dorms, backside. Right. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:25

Well, you know, what if it's enough money?

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:27

I'll tattoo your face on my back.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:29

I would put Monsanto's logo or British Petroleum right on each butt cheek.

Steve Palmer [: 01:05:34

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