20: Small Steps to Living Toxin-Free | Kristen van Gilse

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Hey, I'm your host, Mari Wagner,

and you're listening to the ever be

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If you're a woman desiring to live

a Christ centered life in today's

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modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to Ever Be.

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mari: Hey, Kristen, welcome to ever be.

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Kristen: Hi Mari.

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Thank you so much for having me today.

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mari: I'm so pumped to get into our

conversation today because I know

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it's going to be the type of resource

that's going to educate people, um, and

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empower women to start ditching toxins

and leaning into a cleaner lifestyle.

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Kristen: Absolutely.

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Those are two of my favorite

words, educate and empower.

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mari: Yes, exactly.

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I know that when I started like my

whole clean living journey, it was about

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three years ago and it was a little

bit alarming at first to hear about

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all the things that were bad and to

hear that everything in my house was.

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You know, harming me in some way.

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And I felt this like anxiety

and this urgency to get rid of

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everything at the same time.

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And for a while it just kind of

became an all or nothing thing.

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And so I just kind of like focused

on learning and educating, uh,

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myself because I think at first

I was, I was kind of skeptical.

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I was like, how come everything

all of a sudden is bad?

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Like how did I never know this?

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And it wasn't until really that I, like

I said, focused on educating myself and

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focusing on just like a few, Resources

that I feel felt like were trusted

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resources, Christian based resources

of women who were going through similar

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experiences as me and that were really

dedicating time to real research.

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It was then that I felt really

empowered, you know, to actually start

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making small changes, little changes.

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Um, and your Instagram has been

such a wonderful resource to

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me the past, I think, like year

that I've been following you.

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It's been.

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So great.

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So I'm excited to have you and really

dive into all this and help people,

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you know, just gain that confidence

in their clean living journey.

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Kristen: Absolutely.

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Yeah, that's great.

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mari: So let's just kick it off.

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Can you give us all an

introduction on yourself?

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Um, and maybe kind of how you got into

this space, like what really kicked off

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your journey in the non toxic world?

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What?

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Kristen: name is Kristen.

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I show up on Instagram as the Organa Mama.

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and basically my whole platform

is around helping women learn how

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to heal themselves or prevent.

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disease down the road.

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And so, basically this all stems from

my own personal story, which is that,

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um, when I got married at age 21, my

husband and I went on our honeymoon,

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and while we were on our honeymoon in

the Dominican Republic, I developed

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really painful, um, symptoms of what

felt like a urinary tract infection.

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I just assumed that's what it was.

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And we actually went to like a

pharmacy and Nick, my husband

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can like speak a little Spanish.

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So he like tried to like find me

an antibiotic for like a urinary

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tract infection while we were there.

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And.

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I like took some drugs that we got from

the pharmacy, like, don't know how legit

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they were, but, uh, basically what ended

up happening is I suffered from symptoms

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of what I thought was a UTI for months and

I, you know, saw a doctor when we got back

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to the States and they like did a test and

they were like, well, I can't really tell

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if you like actually have an infection or

not, but like, clearly you're symptomatic.

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So let's put you on another

round of antibiotics.

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So I actually did three rounds of

antibiotics, which I'm sure just

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like killed my gut bacteria, but um,

my symptoms really never went away.

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And so I eventually went and saw a

urologist about four months after our

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wedding kind of told him all about what

had been going on, what had happened

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with the antibiotics and all my symptoms.

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And he said, yeah, it

sounds like you have this.

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illness called interstitial

cystitis, and it's lifelong.

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There's no known cure, and you

will probably be in pain for

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the foreseeable future, like

maybe for the rest of your life.

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And here's a pamphlet.

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In this pamphlet, there's some

suggestions on things that might help you.

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Some people have found help from stuff

that's in here, and some people haven't.

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And then he said literally.

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And

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mari: Oh my,

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Kristen: I was

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mari: that's so, that's so tough.

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I mean, especially just like a few

months into your marriage or just

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like in this new chapter of life.

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It's exciting.

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And then you get hit with this bomb.

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Like that must've been really hard.

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Kristen: so hard.

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And we were still seniors in college.

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And so I was wondering like, am I

going to really like have to try to

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finish school, like in all this pain?

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Like, I just thought I had a UTI

and I thought it would go away,

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but like, it hasn't gone away.

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And, um, you know, it definitely

was like a complication on our

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sex life as new newly married,

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mari: Yes.

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Kristen: much pain all the time.

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There was just so many challenges to that

and I think when that doctor said that to

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me, I think that like initially I had this

feeling just like this feeling in my heart

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of like my life is never gonna be the same

like I am like Damaged and I'm like going

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to be sick for the rest of my life But

then there was also this little part of me

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that like is the very like stubborn side

of me that was listening to this diagnosis

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going Really though, like, are we sure

that, that this is going to be my future?

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And I think that I just leaned

pretty heavily into that.

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And I started researching,

trying to understand like what

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causes a disease like this?

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Like why someone like me, like, I

thought I was pretty normal, healthy,

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but what I didn't know is my lifestyle

was terrible, but I was living like

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every other 21 year old college student

that I knew, like, a lot of fast food,

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staying up late, being on social media

a lot, and not drinking enough water.

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Just all these things, these like basic

foundations of health that I didn't

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really realize how important they were.

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then as I started researching and

trying to understand this, diagnosis of

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interstitial cystitis, I started learning

about inflammation for the first time.

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wasn't really familiar with that as a

concept, and the more I learned about it,

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the more it felt like I was just waking up

to a whole new world of, oh my goodness,

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the food I'm eating, the quality of sleep

I'm getting, the amount of water I'm

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drinking, and All of these environmental

toxins, which like who I had no idea what

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those were before either all of these

environmental toxins are contributing

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to my body's inflammatory levels.

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And that's disease is an inflammation

based disease, and I'm sick because

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my body is just full of inflammation.

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So

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mari: Dang.

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Kristen: trying to figure out, okay,

how do I lower my body's inflammatory

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response and inflammatory load?

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And so I started by some diet changes.

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I was able to, um, make also, sorry, you

hear a baby crying in the background.

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mari: good.

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We love babies here, so not a problem.

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Kristen: We're watching my two kids.

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There might be some

screaming in the background.

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mari: All good.

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Kristen: so I started out by cutting

gluten and that was a huge improvement

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for me just in terms of how my

body was handling its pain levels.

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And the flares of my disease really

slowed down when I cut gluten

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out because the gluten I had been

eating for my whole life was.

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Not good quality gluten.

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It was the bleached enriched flour

with all of the preservatives and

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gums and fillers and stabilizers

added to it and all of that stuff.

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mari: Yes.

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Kristen: I cut out like junk food and fast

food and gluten, that was a huge change.

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And then I started researching like, Oh

my gosh, like these products that I'm

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putting on my body on a daily basis,

my skincare, my makeup, my shampoo and

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body wash, my perfume, all of this stuff

is contributing to my inflammation.

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So I need to change that.

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mari: Yes.

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Kristen: And that's how I got started.

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And that started like a journey for me

of several years of, learning how to

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read ingredient labels, learning how

to identify toxic ingredients in my

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personal care products, in my cleaning

products and in other things in my home.

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And gradually over the years,

Nick and I started swapping

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things out one thing at a time.

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It wasn't like an overnight thing.

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success story, but we started just slowly

whenever we needed to replace one product,

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we would try to figure out what's the most

non toxic version of this that we can get.

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Instead we would swap it out.

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And within two and a half years of

my diagnosis, I was in permanent

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remission from interstitial cystitis.

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So that was summer of 2020

and now it's summer of: 2024

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So it's been four years since

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mari: What?

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Kristen: flare.

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So

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mari: That is amazing, Kristen.

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Like what?

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This is so great.

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Kristen: yeah.

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Yeah,

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mari: Wow, I, I'm like getting so excited

and giddy just listening to you talk,

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because I feel like half the time when

I talk to people about clean living,

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toxins, all this stuff, I just kind of

get like, mm hmm, mm hmm, like little like

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nods here and there, and I think people

probably think I'm nuts or like super

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intense, but I'm like, yes, you get it.

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Oh, gosh.

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Well, praise God.

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I love, I love your story.

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I've, I've.

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Definitely like write it on

Instagram before, but just hearing

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coming from you is just so amazing.

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And I know that it's probably

going to touch a lot of people's

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hearts that are listening.

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Cause I'm sure you're not the only

one, you know, um, we all are dealing

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with some sort of health journey

or chronic illness or, you know,

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whatever it is that's, that's going on.

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And I think that a lot of us don't

really realize some of those root

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causes because especially like

you said, environmental toxins are

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something that we're just everywhere

and that we were never taught about.

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And.

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It's really surfacing in the

past few years and I love that

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more and more is coming out and

people are learning about it.

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So let's kind of dive

into that a little bit.

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Can you just identify what sort of toxins

we might encounter in our life and in

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our home or like where they even are?

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Um, I know that, like I said,

if it's your first time hearing

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this, you might feel a little bit

like, what are you talking about?

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I didn't know everything was bad.

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So can you just touch on like,

kind of where can you find these?

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What are these?

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You know, why is it bad?

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What are the effects?

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Kristen: Sure.

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Um, there's kind of like four

different categories in my mind of

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where you're going to be exposed

to toxins on a regular basis.

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the first is going to be the

things that you put on your body.

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So that's going to be

personal care products.

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So makeup, skincare, shampoo,

body wash, and also clothing.

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Um, so anything that's like touching

your body has the potential to expose

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you to harmful toxins, um, depending

on what it's made from and what

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the materials and ingredients are.

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The second category is going

to be cleaning products.

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So the things that you're

cleaning your home with.

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So those either may be things

that you're actually inhaling

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or things that you're touching.

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So this is kind of more of like a

middle category because it, It falls

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between two of my other categories.

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So things that you're putting on

your body and then you have cleaning

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products, which you might, they

might end up going on your body, like

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touching your hands or you might end up

breathing them in, like inhaling them.

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There's most store bought cleaning

products are full of toxic chemicals

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that are linked to endocrine disruption.

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That's basically if you're

unfamiliar, that means it's

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messing up your hormone levels.

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Um, that's what endocrine disruption

means screwing up your hormones,

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um, or they're linked to cancer or

they're linked to respiratory issues

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like asthma, um, or lung cancer.

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Like there's so many things and there's

hundreds of studies to back this up.

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Um, then the third category is

going to be what's in the air.

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So again, cleaning products could

fall into this if it's something

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you're spraying, but there are

toxins in the air, whether that's.

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smoke, pollution.

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It could be pet dander.

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It could be what we call volatile organic

compounds, which that's a fancy word for

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basically gases that come off of stuff.

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It could be gases coming off of furniture.

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It could be gases coming

out of your perfume bottle.

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It's anything that kind of

releases gases into the air.

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Some volatile organic compounds,

or I like to call them VOCs.

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Some of them are fine.

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Some of them are not dangerous.

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They don't have any.

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negative health implications, but

many of them are very dangerous.

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Um, and then the fourth category is

going to be stuff you put in your body.

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So food, water, and supplements.

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Um, or I guess there's other things that

people like ingest, but, uh, yeah, or

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yeah, food supplements, drugs and water.

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So there's potential harmful

toxins in, in those things as well.

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mari: Yeah, so good.

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Yeah.

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And that's why I'm like, if this

is the first time you're hearing

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this, you're probably like, Oh

my gosh, that is everything.

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Kristen: Yes.

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mari: is why, well, I was just

going to say, which is why, like,

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I want to reiterate, like that

starting small is such a good first

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step and that don't fall into what

I fell into of just like overall.

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I'm in like, Oh my gosh, everything's bad.

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I, I, I am just paralyzed.

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You know, like I can't do anything once.

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I actually was like, okay.

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My shampoo ran out.

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I'm just going to switch that.

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My soap ran out.

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I'm going to switch that.

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My makeup ran out.

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You know, little by little starts

making a difference and makes it,

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makes it so much easier as well as

like I said, like learning more and

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actually like educating yourself.

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So were you going to say something else?

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Kristen: I was just going to say

that I like to think about like toxin

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exposure in your life as like a bucket.

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And I kind of call this

the bucket analogy.

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There's other wellness people that

like share the same analogy too.

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But essentially if you think

about your health as this bucket,

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And all of the toxin exposures

are like a splash of water.

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So you have like a splash of water from

your makeup, a splash of water from your

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toxic shampoo, a splash of water from

toxins in your all purpose cleaner, a

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splash from toxic laundry detergent,

a splash from pollution that's in the

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air around your home, a splash from

pesticides that are in the food you're

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eating, a splash from food dyes in the

candy that you maybe eat on an occasion.

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All of those things are just

a splash, but they add up.

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And then when our body responds

and presents symptomatically with

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chronic illness, infertility, cancer,

it's an overflow of that bucket.

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So that bucket has overflowed.

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Our body cannot handle these exposures

anymore and we're overflowing.

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So don't have to empty

your bucket overnight.

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You just need to take out enough

of those, splashes of water to get

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your level low enough that your

body can breathe and, and operate.

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And it doesn't have to be

empty for that to be a thing.

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mari: So good.

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I'm going to use that.

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That's so good.

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Okay.

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So when it comes to reading ingredient

labels, we know that this can be

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tough and confusing sometimes.

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I mean, half the time we can't pronounce

what's even on the ingredient label.

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And so you just kind of put it down

and kind of hope that it's okay.

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So can you kind of help

shed some light on this?

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What are some of those top ingredients

that you could teach us to look out for?

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Kristen: Yes.

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I would say if you're just starting

out, there's one, there's one that

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you need to look out for Mari.

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I'm sure you know what this is.

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mari: Yeah.

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Kristen: ingredient that I would say,

if you're brand new to this concept

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of toxin free living or low tox.

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There's one ingredient you

need to be able to identify.

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And I strongly encourage that you never

buy anything that contains it again.

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And that's, fragrance.

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fragrance is sadly in so many things.

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It's in shampoo.

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It's in perfume.

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It's basically what perfume is.

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mari: Right?

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Yeah.

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Kristen: you look at the ingredient list

of pretty much anything that is sold

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in stores, you're gonna see Fragrance

it could also be listed as perfume or

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aroma what it is Fragrance perfume aroma.

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This is an umbrella label that

companies are legally allowed

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to use on their products and

Underneath this umbrella label can

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live up to hundreds of chemicals.

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They're legally through the United

States, at least allowed to put

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hundreds of different chemicals into

a product and label it as fragrance.

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And the purpose of these products is

to provide a smell to the product.

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Now, the problem with this is it takes

away accountability from the company.

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So if a brand is putting fragrance in

their product, they don't have to disclose

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what the chemicals are that they've

used to make to scent their product.

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And unfortunately, the majority of

times when a brand, when a company is

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manufacturing something that they want to

smell good, and they're using fragrance,

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they're also going to include this

group of chemicals called phthalates.

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It's spelled very weird.

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It's P H T H A L A T E S.

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Phthalates.

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mari: Mm.

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Mm hmm.

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Kristen: This is a very

harmful group of chemicals.

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This is proven with hundreds of studies.

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Phthalates are directly linked

to hormone disruption and cancer.

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Like time and time again, studies

show linked to those two things.

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Now, it's really unfortunate because

is it possible that a brand could be

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using fragrance and not have phthalates?

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Yes.

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But is it likely?

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No, because they don't have to say.

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And the reason why they're using

phthalates is phthalates are a

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chemical that is often most commonly

known in plastic because it actually

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makes plastic more bendable.

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It makes it more flexible.

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That's just like the compound of the

compounds within this group of chemicals

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called phthalates makes plastic bendy.

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And so a lot of times, you know, when

you see plastic bags in grocery stores,

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it'll say like phthalate or BPA free.

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It's because those chemicals are

what makes like bendy plastic.

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So a lot of times if it's a type of Like

flexible plastic they they will say like

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this is free of phthalates This is free

of bpa because they Know that people will

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look at that type of plastic and wonder

if it has those chemicals in it So the

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reason they put phthalates in fragrance

is because it makes fragrance more sticky

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It's the same like um attribute that makes

plastic bendy It makes molecules stick to

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stuff and it makes the scent last longer.

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So that's why they put it in perfume

That's why they put it in In that

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umbrella label of fragrance is

cause they want that set to stick

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around longer to make a better

impression on you with their product.

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mari: Mm.

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Kristen: shampoo to smell good all day.

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They want that perfume to last 24 hours.

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It's that lingering smell.

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Like in theory, it's like,

Oh, that makes sense.

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it's really messed up because what it's

doing is it's causing this epidemic

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in, like, when we start introducing

body sprays to girls in middle school

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and they start covering themselves in

bath and body works and other types

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of perfumes and scented products

like shampoo, conditioner, makeup.

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We're exposing them to so many

hormone disrupting chemicals.

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And then we have these girls who

are going into puberty at age nine.

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um, struggling to get pregnant

when they are ready to, to

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enter that season of life.

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Or for someone like me, it may be

that you suddenly develop a random,

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seemingly random autoimmune disease..

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didn't realize I'd been dousing myself

in phthalates from my personal care

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products for basically my entire life.

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mari: I know.

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Same.

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I mean, like, when you said Bath

and Body Works, I'm like, that's

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what we would do in middle school.

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We would go to the mall and go to

Bath and Body Works and buy everything

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and spray ourselves with everything.

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Kristen: Yes.

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mari: It's consuming.

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Mm hmm.

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Kristen: so if you can.

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Learn to shop for things without

buying anything with fragrance.

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a big change.

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Like if you've been living like

a normal American, you probably

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have a lot of fragrance products

because that's just the norm and.

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It takes a lot of dedication to

walk away from that because that

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means like getting rid of scented

candles scented everything And a lot

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mari: Yeah,

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Kristen: products have fragrance in

them as well so I would say for anybody

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who's totally new to this journey if

you can just start looking at ingredient

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labels and Putting it back on the shelf.

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If you see fragrance or perfume or

aroma on there, you're already making

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a huge step in the right direction.

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mari: cool.

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What about like if the ingredient

label says natural fragrance?

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I know I've seen that before and that

one always makes me pause because

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I'm like, well, you said natural.

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So what does that mean?

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Is, do you feel like that falls

under the same umbrella or is that

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like, Nope, that's a green light.

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Kristen: Uh, I personally, I would

say I'm pretty strict when it comes to

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fragrance and anytime a company is not

fully disclosing their ingredient list.

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That is a hard red flag for me because

that to me indicates that they're a

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trying to trick you into thinking their

product is safe when it might not be

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because they're not actually telling you

what they're using to send the product.

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And B, where was I going with this?

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I forgot what my second thought was.

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mari: We can circle back.

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If it comes back to you, bring it up.

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But the second part of my question was,

I've heard different opinions on this.

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What if it's scented with essential oils?

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Kristen: Yes,

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mari: like, that's how it's

written in the ingredient list,

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like scented with essential oils.

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Kristen: yes.

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Okay, going back a little too,

and then I'll get to this.

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mari: Okay.

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Perfect.

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Kristen: So basically, natural

fragrance is oftentimes an attempt

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by a company to make their product

seem safe when it might not be.

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Because that's still, natural

doesn't mean anything.

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It's not a regulated term.

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It's not a government term.

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It's not anything particular.

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Literally, if a company puts natural

fragrance, might be the exact same

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as them putting fragrance So there's

no regulation on the use of the word

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natural In fact, it's used a lot in

what we would call green washing where

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a brand is trying to make their products

seem nice and safe Like when it says

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safe for all ages that is unregulated.

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That means nothing when it says

natural all natural That means nothing.

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Uh, and so natural fragrance as well, I

think falls into that same category of,

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I would proceed with extreme caution.

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And generally I'm kind of a crazy

person, but I would email a company

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and be like, Hey, what chemicals do

you use in your natural fragrance?

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And if they respond back and say, Oh,

we have like our proprietary blend.

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I'm sorry.

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We can't disclose, but trust us.

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It's all natural.

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I'm like walking away.

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No way.

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mari: Goodbye.

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Kristen: can give me a full

list of exactly what's in there.

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I do not trust it.

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And then in terms of

essential oils, depends oils.

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Um, some of them are good and safe.

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Some of them are sourced very poorly.

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So it really depends on the company

on their, um, standards for sourcing.

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It's, um.

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Preferred that essential oils in a

product would be organic, because that

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mari: Right.

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Kristen: going to have been sprayed

with pestis with harmful pesticides.

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Um, that's not always the case, and there

are some products that I do recommend

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that don't use organic essential

oils, but I trust their sourcing and

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I trust that where they're getting

their, uh, essential oils from is safe.

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But I think 1 thing.

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That this is kind of a hot take of

mine that isn't necessarily shared by

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everybody in the clean beauty space,

but essential oils for the most part

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are antimicrobial and antibacterial,

which means they kill things off.

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A lot of people would consider that

to be a good thing because it's like,

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oh, it's killing off bad bacteria,

but it also kills off good bacteria.

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And something that I am a huge

proponent for is having a home

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that has a healthy microbiome.

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Which means you have good bacteria

that are thriving in your home.

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And if all you're doing is just

disinfecting or using essential oils

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to clean everything, you're actually

killing off all the good bacteria too

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that you want to have in your home.

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So I'm very cautious with the use of

use of essential oils because it can

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kind of over sterilize your home or your

body or your mouth or wherever it is

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that you're using them or applying them.

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I just try to be cautious

and not overuse them.

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mari: Yeah.

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Just mindful and in moderation.

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Okay.

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: 00:24:36

Great.

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: 00:24:36

You did mention greenwashing and I wanted

to touch on that a little bit because

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I think this is increasingly getting

worse and worse and you see more and

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more brands pop up that are claiming

to be natural or clean or whatever and

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: 00:24:49

kind of using these buzzwords to make

people think that it's non toxic and not

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harmful and clearly that's not the case.

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: 00:24:55

And I even had a conversation with.

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My mother in law recently, um,

which just kind of shows like

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people are being tricked by this.

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: 00:25:03

And myself included before I've

been definitely fallen into thinking

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: 00:25:07

that something is clean, but we

were talking about the new laundry

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: 00:25:10

detergent I've been using truly free.

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: 00:25:12

I know you use it too.

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: 00:25:14

And she was like, well, I bought

like tides free and clear version.

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: 00:25:18

Like that's like their non toxic version.

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: 00:25:20

So I think I'm good.

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: 00:25:21

And I was like, I hate to break

it to you, even though it's called

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like free, clear, natural, whatever.

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: 00:25:28

This is what's called greenwashing.

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: 00:25:30

This is like brands that are

like trying to market things in

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: 00:25:34

a way that's not actually true.

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: 00:25:36

Is that right?

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Kristen: Yes.

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Yep.

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: 00:25:38

mari: Yes.

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: 00:25:39

Kristen: um, It's when a brand is

promoting their product making it sound

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safe or environmentally friendly or

good for your body And it's actually

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not and this is why I really encourage

people I want to educate and empower

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people to actually learn how to read

ingredient labels themselves but also

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: 00:26:00

Rather than just looking at branding on

a product and say, Oh, that looks good.

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: 00:26:04

Because it's easy to do that.

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: 00:26:06

I have a graphic design background.

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: 00:26:08

That's what I have my degree in.

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: 00:26:09

And we learned about

this in college of like.

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How, like, certain colors make people

more trusting, uh, anything that's

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: 00:26:16

colored green is, uh, is an automatic

win for people mentally, because

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: 00:26:22

you assume that it's environmentally

friendly if it has green packaging.

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: 00:26:26

mari: Yeah.

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Like it's

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: 00:26:27

Kristen: and

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: 00:26:27

mari: natural.

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Kristen: really good example of this

is just in, like, the oil industry.

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: 00:26:31

This is, like, not really

having to do with, like.

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Things in your home.

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: 00:26:34

But if you think about gas stations,

like BP is no different really than

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: 00:26:39

any other gas station in terms of like

where they source their oil, how they

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: 00:26:43

do things, but their branding is green.

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: 00:26:46

And so people think it's better for

the environment to get gas at BP, which

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: 00:26:50

is like, That's just a straight up

marketing ploy, but it's a good example.

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: 00:26:55

It's a good example.

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: 00:26:56

I mean, they've done a good job with

their marketing to help people think

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: 00:26:59

like, Oh, BP is like better gas,

but it's like, it's no different.

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: 00:27:03

You know what I mean?

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: 00:27:04

But it's the same for like beauty brands

and personal care products, deodorants.

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: 00:27:09

Like you're going to see all kinds

of buzzwords on the front, like.

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free of aluminum or free of sulfates

or safe for the whole family.

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: 00:27:18

And those things don't mean anything.

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: 00:27:20

It's why you need to take a closer look,

flip it over, look at the ingredient

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list, look for fragrance first.

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If you're just starting out,

that's the most important one.

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But then there's also a lot of other

things that you have to watch out for.

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: 00:27:31

And like you were saying with like

free and clear detergents, those

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: 00:27:34

ones are fragrance free usually.

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: 00:27:37

And so that's why they save.

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: 00:27:38

Free and clear.

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: 00:27:39

It's like, Oh, fragrance free.

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: 00:27:40

And that's a good start, but that's not

really enough because a lot of times

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: 00:27:45

they're using other very toxic chemicals

in their ingredient list, you really

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: 00:27:51

don't want to be exposing yourself to

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: 00:27:53

mari: Yeah, for sure.

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: 00:27:54

So how can we find brands that we trust?

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Can you talk about that a little bit

and then kind of touch on EWG as well?

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Kristen: sure.

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So finding brands that you

trust it, it's a labor of love.

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: 00:28:07

It's hard.

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: 00:28:07

And if you're new to this, it can be

really confusing and overwhelming,

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: 00:28:11

which is why, like you said, at the

beginning, Mari, it's important to

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have some trusted resources of people

who, you know, are really, really going

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: 00:28:20

to be taking a deep dive into every

single product and you can trust them.

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: 00:28:24

Now, I always recommend that

people do their own research.

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: 00:28:27

Don't just take what one person says

at face value and just go with it.

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: 00:28:31

Like do your own research, trust

your gut on things, and Do a, do a

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: 00:28:35

double check on everything, but it

can be really helpful to find people

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: 00:28:41

or sources or sites that are a good

starting point to help navigate.

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: 00:28:45

Okay.

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: 00:28:45

Are the ingredients in

this product actually safe?

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: 00:28:48

And so finding good brands, there's

a couple of things that I value a lot

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: 00:28:53

when it comes to choosing a safe brand.

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: 00:28:55

And sometimes brands will

have like one product that's

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: 00:28:58

good, but the other products.

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: 00:29:00

aren't.

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: 00:29:00

So it's kind of nuanced.

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: 00:29:01

It's kind of difficult.

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: 00:29:02

It's not always like, Oh, this

brand is great across the board.

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: 00:29:05

Sometimes it's like, Oh, this one

product, this one sunscreen that this

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: 00:29:09

brand has is safe, but I wouldn't

recommend all of their products.

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: 00:29:13

I look for transparency when

brands are listing out everything

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: 00:29:18

that they're using, when they're

not using terms like fragrance.

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: 00:29:22

When you can go on their website

and easily find an ingredient list,

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: 00:29:25

that is usually a green flag for me.

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: 00:29:27

So a lot of times when you'll go

on to a cosmetics website and you'd

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: 00:29:32

start looking at a product and you

want to find an ingredient list,

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: 00:29:36

it might be very hard to find.

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: 00:29:38

Um, a lot of times they'll have their

ingredients listed somewhere, but

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: 00:29:42

you really have to dig to find it.

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: 00:29:43

It may not be listed on

the actual product page.

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: 00:29:46

You have to go to like a different

part of the website to look

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: 00:29:49

up the ingredients for things.

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: 00:29:51

That's never good.

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: 00:29:52

If a brand is not putting their

ingredients right up front, right

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: 00:29:56

where the product is, that is

something to be very alert towards.

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: 00:30:00

And usually that's a red flag because

that means they don't want you to

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: 00:30:03

see what ingredients they're using.

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: 00:30:05

When brands are proud to

list their ingredients.

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: 00:30:08

Right up front.

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: 00:30:09

That's usually a good sign.

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: 00:30:11

Not always, but usually it's a good place

to start and then from there You you want

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: 00:30:16

to start kind of actually just reading

through like what are they using in here?

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: 00:30:20

Are they?

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: 00:30:20

prioritizing organic products and

Like are there any of these big red

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: 00:30:27

flag toxic ingredients in here or not?

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: 00:30:30

so also the EWG is a website that

you may or may not have heard of.

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: 00:30:34

It is, it stands for the

environmental working group.

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: 00:30:36

They are a nonprofit that does a lot

of really good work in helping to get

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: 00:30:40

safer products into people's homes.

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: 00:30:42

Now I would consider EWG to be a good

starting point, but not the end all.

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: 00:30:48

So EWG is a great place to look up an

ingredient and say like, Is this safe?

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: 00:30:54

Is this like toxic or

how, like, what is it?

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: 00:30:59

What even is this?

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: 00:31:00

If you're like, I don't know what

this ingredient is, I want to look

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: 00:31:03

it up and find out more about it.

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: 00:31:04

EWG is a great place to go for that

because they rate all ingredients on a

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: 00:31:09

scale of one to 10 in terms of safety.

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: 00:31:11

Now there are some EWG because Brands

do have to pay a premium to have

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: 00:31:19

their products looked at on a very

specific deep level because EWG cares

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: 00:31:24

about the dosage of ingredients.

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: 00:31:26

So there

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: 00:31:26

mari: Hmm.

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: 00:31:28

Kristen: one ingredient, for example,

that like, let's take, um, sodium

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: 00:31:32

lauryl sulfate, for example, as a

type of salt it's used in a lot of

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: 00:31:36

like detergents and things like that.

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: 00:31:38

The EWG would say that it's.

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: 00:31:40

It's safe in small amounts,

but unsafe in bigger amounts.

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: 00:31:45

So if someone that uses that ingredient

wants their product to score well on

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: 00:31:49

the EWG or become EWG verified in that,

like they approve of it, they have

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: 00:31:55

to pay a premium for their scientists

to take a look at that product.

631

: 00:31:59

And look at the dosages of the

ingredients used and really determine

632

: 00:32:05

is this at a safe level that this

ingredient is in there or not.

633

: 00:32:09

And so brands that are EWG verified,

that means that they've paid

634

: 00:32:13

for EWG to look at their product

and determine that it's safe.

635

: 00:32:17

But then there's also brands that

are safe that are rated lower

636

: 00:32:22

scores on their website because

they've chosen not to pay that fee.

637

: 00:32:26

so it can be a little bit difficult

sometimes to know if something

638

: 00:32:29

is actually truly safe or not,

because if a brand doesn't pay for

639

: 00:32:33

verification, then they're going to

be scoring lower on the EWG's scale.

640

: 00:32:39

Um, even if their product is really safe.

641

: 00:32:42

So it's a great starting point, but it's

not the only thing I base my decisions off

642

: 00:32:48

of when I'm looking at ingredient lists.

643

: 00:32:50

mari: Mm hmm.

644

: 00:32:51

Yeah, that's very helpful.

645

: 00:32:53

Um, I know it's been a helpful

resource, but I did, yeah, learn

646

: 00:32:56

everything that you just talked about.

647

: 00:32:58

Cause I, I've gotten a lot

of questions on crunchy.

648

: 00:32:59

My audience knows I talk about crunchy

all the time and people are like, why

649

: 00:33:02

is it not on EWG or like, why isn't

it rated the highest or whatever?

650

: 00:33:06

And that's the explanation I give.

651

: 00:33:08

Although I do, I think we did hear

that they're like going to pay now.

652

: 00:33:11

And so it's going to be

accurately rated and everything.

653

: 00:33:13

So that's exciting, but.

654

: 00:33:15

That's helpful to know kind of like

a starting resource that kind of

655

: 00:33:18

helps you learn a little bit about a

product or a brand or not a product,

656

: 00:33:21

an ingredient, uh, or a product.

657

: 00:33:24

And I mean, following OrganiMama

is a great first step as well of

658

: 00:33:29

where to get some more information.

659

: 00:33:30

I know you educate a lot in your content.

660

: 00:33:33

So moving into practicality, just

like what are some practical first

661

: 00:33:37

steps somebody can take to start

reducing toxins in their life?

662

: 00:33:42

Kristen: Yes, that is a great question.

663

: 00:33:43

And listening to all of this explanation

about ingredients and chemicals, it

664

: 00:33:48

might be going right over your head.

665

: 00:33:49

Like when I was starting out on this

journey, I would hear people talk

666

: 00:33:52

about phthalates and fragrance and EWG.

667

: 00:33:55

And I would be like, what?

668

: 00:33:57

Like, I don't understand any of this.

669

: 00:33:59

Like, what do I actually just need to do?

670

: 00:34:01

The first step I would say is Just

start looking at your products

671

: 00:34:06

that you have in your home.

672

: 00:34:07

The products you use on a regular

basis, your toothpaste, your

673

: 00:34:10

body wash, your makeup, your

skincare, look at the ingredients.

674

: 00:34:14

If you can't find an ingredient list

on the bottle, look it up, Google it.

675

: 00:34:17

And if it has fragrance in it, just make

a mental note of when I run out of this, I

676

: 00:34:22

need to replace it with something better.

677

: 00:34:24

mari: Mm hmm.

678

: 00:34:25

Kristen: pressure on yourself to

go and run through your whole house

679

: 00:34:28

and throw everything away all at

once because that does not make

680

: 00:34:32

financial sense for most people.

681

: 00:34:33

Um, be easy at yourself.

682

: 00:34:35

Be gentle on yourself as you're

starting to navigate this

683

: 00:34:38

journey because it is a journey.

684

: 00:34:39

It took me several years of learning all

of this to throw out my toxic products.

685

: 00:34:45

mari: Same.

686

: 00:34:46

Kristen: on yourself.

687

: 00:34:47

Take your time.

688

: 00:34:48

Don't feel stressed.

689

: 00:34:50

There's a lot of people out there

that love to just fear monger

690

: 00:34:53

women into throwing everything out

and freaking out and feeling like

691

: 00:34:56

they need to spend all this money.

692

: 00:34:58

You don't, the best ways

to heal your body are free.

693

: 00:35:03

one of the best things you can do

in terms of getting rid of toxic

694

: 00:35:06

products is just start making a

mental note of when I run out of

695

: 00:35:10

this, I need to find something better.

696

: 00:35:12

And then when you do run out of it,

Then look for those good resources.

697

: 00:35:16

My page is a place you can come to find

good resources on on different things.

698

: 00:35:20

I have a bunch of different guides

that walk you through like how to

699

: 00:35:24

choose toxic cleaning products, how

to choose non toxic personal care

700

: 00:35:28

products, how to choose non toxic baby

products, all of these different guides.

701

: 00:35:33

There are other great resources out

there as well, but that's when you turn

702

: 00:35:36

to a trusted resource to decide, okay,

I just ran out of laundry detergent.

703

: 00:35:41

What should I get now?

704

: 00:35:42

That's, that's a better, safer option,

but just do one thing at a time.

705

: 00:35:47

And like I mentioned earlier,

that's going to slowly reduce that

706

: 00:35:50

amount of water in your bucket

707

: 00:35:52

mari: yeah.

708

: 00:35:52

And I just recommend focusing on

that first category of items you

709

: 00:35:58

mentioned, things that go on your body.

710

: 00:35:59

I think that's what made the most

sense for me when I started finally

711

: 00:36:04

switching things because I was like you.

712

: 00:36:05

It took me.

713

: 00:36:06

Probably at least a year of hearing

things before I really took action.

714

: 00:36:10

Um, and that's because like your skin

just absorbs everything immediately.

715

: 00:36:15

And like you said, like we have this

bucket and our body can, like does have

716

: 00:36:19

the functions to filter out toxins, but

when it's like being exposed to toxins

717

: 00:36:23

and everything that you put in your

body, it's going to be overwhelming.

718

: 00:36:27

So starting with what you put in your

body, I know that I started with,

719

: 00:36:30

um, honestly, I think my first one

was makeup, which I know is like

720

: 00:36:33

usually one of the last ones people

Let go of, cause it's hard to let

721

: 00:36:37

go of those brands that you love.

722

: 00:36:38

But I was like, I'm going all in.

723

: 00:36:40

I had tried other clean beauty

brands before and they all sucked.

724

: 00:36:43

And finally I was like, okay, we're just

going to do one last try one last brand.

725

: 00:36:46

So I switched my makeup and then my

skincare, then my shampoo, then my body

726

: 00:36:51

wash, um, the last thing I'm looking for

is lotion still, which I know that you

727

: 00:36:55

recommended that one baby brand and then

somebody else recommended another brand,

728

: 00:36:58

but it was like 86 for a bottle of lotion.

729

: 00:37:01

And I was.

730

: 00:37:03

I'm, I'm like all in on investing,

but I was not about to spend

731

: 00:37:07

90 bucks on a bottle of lotion.

732

: 00:37:08

So if you have any other recommendations

on that, that would be great.

733

: 00:37:12

Um, but yeah, just start with

products that go on your body.

734

: 00:37:16

I think that's like the less stress

and you feel like you're making the

735

: 00:37:19

most impact because it's directly

being absorbed by your skin.

736

: 00:37:24

Kristen: Absolutely.

737

: 00:37:24

And if someone comes to me and

they're like, I don't, I've, I,

738

: 00:37:29

Have no experience with this kind of

lifestyle, but I want to get started.

739

: 00:37:32

What's the very first

thing I should swap out?

740

: 00:37:34

I always tell people do your

deodorant first because you're

741

: 00:37:38

deodorant, your armpits are a very

highly absorbent area of your skin.

742

: 00:37:42

And there's a lot of

lymph nodes near there.

743

: 00:37:44

And there's just a lot going

on in your armpit area.

744

: 00:37:47

And it's, um, for women, it's very

close to your breasts and breast

745

: 00:37:52

cancer is super prevalent right now.

746

: 00:37:53

And a lot of the toxic chemicals

that are found in deodorant.

747

: 00:37:58

Uh, have very easy access

to your breast tissue.

748

: 00:38:01

So that is always the first thing I

recommend for, at least for women to

749

: 00:38:04

swap out is your deodorant because most

deodorant contains fragrance and you're

750

: 00:38:08

going to, again, you're going to get

those phthalates in there and those

751

: 00:38:11

are directly linked to breast cancer.

752

: 00:38:13

So get fragrance out of your, out

of your deodorant, get heavy metals

753

: 00:38:17

like aluminum out of your deodorant.

754

: 00:38:19

Um, and there are some really

great safe options out there.

755

: 00:38:22

But that's always the

first thing I recommend.

756

: 00:38:25

mari: Absolutely.

757

: 00:38:27

Okay.

758

: 00:38:27

So what are some health benefits

you feel like you could speak to

759

: 00:38:31

or that people might notice after

reducing their exposure to toxins?

760

: 00:38:34

I know we heard your personal

testimony, but I think this is where

761

: 00:38:37

people get skeptical sometimes is

like, okay, is this going to like

762

: 00:38:41

actually make a difference in my life?

763

: 00:38:42

Like, am I going to

notice what's going on?

764

: 00:38:44

So can you just speak to kind of

some of those health benefits?

765

: 00:38:47

Kristen: Absolutely.

766

: 00:38:48

So I actually did a poll of my followers,

um, a couple of weeks ago and I asked

767

: 00:38:53

them, I was like, if you have been

on a low tox journey, can you tell me

768

: 00:38:59

what are some of the positive outcomes

you've seen on your own health?

769

: 00:39:02

Since starting on this journey, and

I, I literally cried when I read these

770

: 00:39:07

responses because it just blew me away.

771

: 00:39:09

So there was a girl who said

that her cancer never came

772

: 00:39:12

back after she started low tox.

773

: 00:39:15

were multiple women who were

able to get pregnant after

774

: 00:39:18

long seasons of infertility.

775

: 00:39:20

There were also women telling me that

their husbands had made big changes,

776

: 00:39:23

like my husband stopped smoking or

my husband finally got on board after

777

: 00:39:27

he saw how much more energy I have.

778

: 00:39:30

Energy is a huge one.

779

: 00:39:31

I heard from tons of women that they have

increased energy and joy in their life.

780

: 00:39:37

After, um, getting rid of toxins in their

home, many of them said, I feel more in

781

: 00:39:41

control of my own health just by knowing

what I'm putting on and in my body.

782

: 00:39:45

And that's huge.

783

: 00:39:46

I mean, just think about the empowerment

that comes from knowing exactly what

784

: 00:39:50

you're putting on versus going, yeah,

I don't really know what's in this.

785

: 00:39:54

I hope it's okay.

786

: 00:39:55

It's a huge shift in, in

the way you think about it.

787

: 00:40:00

there were women who were healed

from chronic illness, just like

788

: 00:40:03

me overcoming things like Lyme.

789

: 00:40:06

Lyme disease, Hashimoto's, other

chronic pain, improved sleep

790

: 00:40:11

quality, so many things like, and

it just depends on the person.

791

: 00:40:17

It's such a bio individual

experience, but I have rarely ever

792

: 00:40:22

heard non positive stories from

people that have been tox journey.

793

: 00:40:27

mari: Yeah, for sure.

794

: 00:40:28

I love that you mentioned energy

because I feel like that's one

795

: 00:40:30

that can be overlooked so easily.

796

: 00:40:32

Like you might not even notice that

unless it's like really severe before

797

: 00:40:35

and after, but I feel like I noticed

that as well as like headaches.

798

: 00:40:39

Like if I look back, I felt

like I got random headaches here

799

: 00:40:43

and there throughout the day.

800

: 00:40:44

High school and college.

801

: 00:40:45

And I kind of attributed to like, Oh,

like I just have a lot on my plate.

802

: 00:40:48

But the truth is I still

have a lot of my plate.

803

: 00:40:50

I'm an entrepreneur.

804

: 00:40:51

I got a lot of businesses to run.

805

: 00:40:53

You know, it's like that hasn't changed.

806

: 00:40:55

And I don't really remember last time

I had a head, like, it's not normal

807

: 00:40:58

for me to get a headache anymore.

808

: 00:41:00

And it used to be.

809

: 00:41:01

And so that's something that

I definitely have just kind of

810

: 00:41:04

kept in the back of my brain.

811

: 00:41:04

Like, huh, I wonder if that's because

I removed fragrance in my home.

812

: 00:41:08

Kristen: Yeah, that's a huge one.

813

: 00:41:10

Headaches, massive.

814

: 00:41:11

I mean, that's a lot.

815

: 00:41:13

Just the number of stories of women

I've heard from who are like, yeah,

816

: 00:41:15

I just stopped wearing like fragrance

perfume and now my headaches are gone.

817

: 00:41:18

Like it's just wild.

818

: 00:41:19

It's wild.

819

: 00:41:22

mari: Awesome.

820

: 00:41:22

Okay.

821

: 00:41:23

Last question before we wrap

up, I get this question a lot.

822

: 00:41:27

Many women tell me that they're getting

started on this clean living journey,

823

: 00:41:31

trying to, you know, switch out to non

toxic products in their home and their

824

: 00:41:35

husband or their family think that they're

crazy or they just are not on board and

825

: 00:41:41

there might be some tension there because

it is a little bit more of an investment

826

: 00:41:44

or people just aren't aware of the reality

and so they, they just don't hop on board.

827

: 00:41:48

So do you have any tips for women on how

to get Specifically your husband on board.

828

: 00:41:53

Yeah, that

829

: 00:41:58

Kristen: If you don't already follow

me on Instagram, you may not know

830

: 00:42:00

this, but my husband is a fourth

year medical student right now.

831

: 00:42:03

So he is very much in the

conventional medicine world.

832

: 00:42:08

Um, I'm really grateful because he

is doing a medical program that is a

833

: 00:42:13

little bit more holistically leaning.

834

: 00:42:14

It's doctor of osteopathics

compared to an MD program.

835

: 00:42:19

So that's definitely like his initial

lean is to lean into that and really

836

: 00:42:25

see the value in it, which I'm, I'm

grateful for because I think that his

837

: 00:42:29

career has kept me from going completely

off the deep end of like crunchy living

838

: 00:42:33

and like, Becoming like a crazy person.

839

: 00:42:36

Like he keeps me grounded and centered.

840

: 00:42:38

And I like have a deep

appreciation for, um, the ways

841

: 00:42:41

that modern medicine saves lives.

842

: 00:42:43

And I really am grateful for that.

843

: 00:42:44

And he's going to be, uh,

hopefully Lord willing a surgeon

844

: 00:42:48

who's able to help save lives.

845

: 00:42:50

So really important.

846

: 00:42:51

It's needed.

847

: 00:42:52

And like a lot of people would

die if we didn't have that.

848

: 00:42:55

So I'm grateful for it.

849

: 00:42:56

But definitely when I first started

on this journey, he had a lot of

850

: 00:43:00

skepticism, you know, like are you sure?

851

: 00:43:03

Like doing this and like eating

beef liver and like all this stuff.

852

: 00:43:07

Like he was just like, you sound crazy.

853

: 00:43:09

And I was like, I know,

but let's just try it out.

854

: 00:43:11

And I think that like, at the point when

I started this journey, I was so sick

855

: 00:43:15

that we were willing to try anything,

you know, and it was hard on him too.

856

: 00:43:20

Like for me to be so sick, it

was challenging on our marriage.

857

: 00:43:23

We were in college, it was tough.

858

: 00:43:24

And so I think his mind was kind of

like, well, if you want to try something

859

: 00:43:29

and it works, then let's try it.

860

: 00:43:31

And so.

861

: 00:43:32

I, you know, asked if we could change

our diet and get rid of gluten and

862

: 00:43:36

start like switching out things like

laundry detergent and skincare products.

863

: 00:43:39

And initially he was kind of annoyed,

especially when I started asking

864

: 00:43:42

him to switch his things too.

865

: 00:43:44

Like, Hey babe, can you like

not use that body wash anymore?

866

: 00:43:47

And he'd be like, Oh, come on.

867

: 00:43:48

I like this one.

868

: 00:43:49

I'm like, I'm sorry, but I

think that it might be also

869

: 00:43:51

contributing to my health issues.

870

: 00:43:53

And so he would kind of just be like,

all right, well, just, you know,

871

: 00:43:57

pick something for me, I guess, and

we'll try it, but he's kind of picky.

872

: 00:44:01

And so it was a little hard at first,

but I think for him, what really got

873

: 00:44:06

him on board was seeing how I healed

myself, you know, like in his experience,

874

: 00:44:12

I think he sees a lot of people come to

doctors and get medications for symptoms.

875

: 00:44:17

And then.

876

: 00:44:18

That medication kind of eradicates the

symptom, but they're not necessarily

877

: 00:44:21

trying to figure out, well, why did I

get sick with that in the first place?

878

: 00:44:25

And so I think for him from kind

of like a little bit of an outsider

879

: 00:44:30

perspective, he watched me make

all these lifestyle changes.

880

: 00:44:33

And then as we covered my health in

prayer and took it to the Lord too, I

881

: 00:44:38

think it was very clear to him, like.

882

: 00:44:41

kind of weird changes that Kristen is

making getting rid of Fragrance and

883

: 00:44:47

changing out all our cleaning products

and all this stuff She's getting better

884

: 00:44:51

and I think that that kind of blew

his mind and he was like, wow Respect

885

: 00:44:55

babe, honestly, like I think he just

had a lot of respect for my like my

886

: 00:45:00

drive to, to be able to heal my body.

887

: 00:45:03

And, and he was really impressed by that.

888

: 00:45:05

And he like saw firsthand how those

changes made me a whole different person.

889

: 00:45:12

but that's obviously not everyone's story.

890

: 00:45:14

And some people choose a toxin

free journey, not because they're

891

: 00:45:17

currently sick, but because they

more so want to be proactively safe

892

: 00:45:21

in what they have in their home.

893

: 00:45:22

They want to protect their future health,

or they want to protect their children

894

: 00:45:25

or their children's future health.

895

: 00:45:27

And so you're making these decisions.

896

: 00:45:29

And it might be a little more tough if

you have a husband who's not on board

897

: 00:45:32

to be like, no, yeah, we all feel fine

right now, but I'm making these changes

898

: 00:45:36

to prevent us from feeling bad later.

899

: 00:45:38

You might get that response of, yeah,

but we feel fine right now, you know?

900

: 00:45:41

And so that's where I think it can be

really helpful to know where to get

901

: 00:45:45

some of these great science, studies,

studies, these peer reviewed studies that

902

: 00:45:50

really point exactly to The potential

health implications of certain chemicals.

903

: 00:45:55

So one of my favorite studies that

I talk about all the time is this

904

: 00:45:59

one study that was done about a year

and a half ago on a group of women.

905

: 00:46:03

And they had two, two groups of women and

the first group of women continued to use

906

: 00:46:09

all of the standard conventional beauty

products They had been always using that

907

: 00:46:14

had all the normal toxic ingredients in

them And then they had a second group

908

: 00:46:18

of women for a month who switched to

products that had no phthalates So no

909

: 00:46:24

fragrance and no parabens, which is

another toxic Group of chemicals that are

910

: 00:46:28

found in a lot of conventional products.

911

: 00:46:31

So they had the group of women doing

normal The products they'd always been

912

: 00:46:34

using a group of women who got rid

of products that had phthalates and

913

: 00:46:38

parabens And before they started the

study, they took a sample of every

914

: 00:46:42

woman's breast tissue and analyzed

how many pro carcinogenic breast cells

915

: 00:46:47

were there so pro carcinogenic cells

essentially to dumb it down means

916

: 00:46:51

like cells that have the potential

to turn into cancer, that are already

917

: 00:46:55

cancerous, but could turn into cancer.

918

: 00:46:58

And so they like did analysis on how

many of these cells each woman had.

919

: 00:47:02

So the group that had that maintained the

same products had the same level of pro

920

: 00:47:09

carcinogenic cells after this was over.

921

: 00:47:14

And the group of women who had

gotten rid of toxic products Had

922

: 00:47:17

a significantly reduced number

of pro carcinogenic breast cells.

923

: 00:47:23

that to me is like wow, I mean Clear clear

evidence there and obviously we would

924

: 00:47:31

hope that they'll continue to do more

studies to just keep proving this over

925

: 00:47:34

and over and over of the importance of

Eliminating these toxins in our products,

926

: 00:47:38

but there are a lot of studies out

there that point to Direct correlation

927

: 00:47:44

between phthalates and parabens and other

groups of chemicals that are in all of

928

: 00:47:49

our beauty products that are directly

linked to all of these health issues.

929

: 00:47:54

And right now in the US, 50 percent

of Americans have a chronic illness.

930

: 00:48:00

this is not the minority

that we're talking about.

931

: 00:48:02

It's over 50%.

932

: 00:48:03

So.

933

: 00:48:05

illness is prevalent.

934

: 00:48:06

It is more common than

it's ever been before.

935

: 00:48:09

And it's not just adults anymore.

936

: 00:48:10

It's children and our children are being

exposed to all these chemicals too.

937

: 00:48:14

So it feels to me like if you're trying

to bring your spouse on board with all of

938

: 00:48:19

this, start sharing some of these stats,

start looking at some of these studies.

939

: 00:48:23

If you go on to pub med, you can look

up like phthalates, health effects,

940

: 00:48:28

med, and then you're going to get this

whole list of studies and you can just

941

: 00:48:32

start reading them with your spouse.

942

: 00:48:33

Like, Hey.

943

: 00:48:34

Take a look at this.

944

: 00:48:34

This is really interesting.

945

: 00:48:36

And it takes time.

946

: 00:48:38

You can't expect for someone to

suddenly jump on board overnight.

947

: 00:48:41

It takes time.

948

: 00:48:42

It takes hearing these things over and

over and over for someone to say, okay,

949

: 00:48:46

yeah, I'm willing to try this, but do your

best not to get frustrated with a husband.

950

: 00:48:51

Who's not really ready yet.

951

: 00:48:53

Just be consistent, be kind and,

uh, and make the swaps that make

952

: 00:48:57

financial sense for your family.

953

: 00:48:59

Little by little as you go along.

954

: 00:49:02

mari: was so helpful.

955

: 00:49:03

One thing that came to mind too, was like,

listen to this podcast episode together,

956

: 00:49:08

like play this podcast episode for your

husband in the car or something like

957

: 00:49:11

that, or while you're making dinner or.

958

: 00:49:13

Uh, just in a time where you guys can kind

of sit down and actually pay attention

959

: 00:49:17

because it all comes down to education.

960

: 00:49:20

Like a lot of my skepticism from

the beginning and everyone's

961

: 00:49:23

skepticism is just like, how

come we've never heard of this?

962

: 00:49:25

Is this really true?

963

: 00:49:26

But when you really hear the facts, you

start to realize like, Oh, it's true.

964

: 00:49:30

And I remember when we were, when

we started this journey, I mean,

965

: 00:49:32

I started with products and, you

know, sourcing better food and

966

: 00:49:35

organic and EMFs was one of the ones

that I was like, ah, is this real?

967

: 00:49:39

Or is it like, this is like,

invisible waves in my, you know, air.

968

: 00:49:44

Um, and I listened to a podcast episode

that Jordan Dooley did with her brother

969

: 00:49:49

or something like that, that owns an EMF

remission company or something like that.

970

: 00:49:55

And I listened to it and I

was like, okay, This is really

971

: 00:49:57

intriguing and I'm on board.

972

: 00:49:59

And then I talked to my husband about

it and he was like, uh, no about that.

973

: 00:50:03

And so one time we did a road trip and

I was like, Oh, I just want to listen

974

: 00:50:06

to this like new podcast episode.

975

: 00:50:08

And I didn't even really

say anything about it.

976

: 00:50:10

And we played it and he

had a lot of questions.

977

: 00:50:13

And like, by the end, he was

like, wow, this is crazy.

978

: 00:50:16

And just by playing that podcast

episode, sometimes I feel like.

979

: 00:50:20

Our husbands maybe need to

hear it from someone else.

980

: 00:50:22

That's not us.

981

: 00:50:23

It's someone who's done more research

or who's like kind of in a place of

982

: 00:50:25

authority teaching this kind of thing.

983

: 00:50:27

And so after he heard that

podcast episode, he was like,

984

: 00:50:29

all right, let's buy the things.

985

: 00:50:31

And so we like made some

EMF changes in our home.

986

: 00:50:33

And, and even just playing this

episode might be a helpful start.

987

: 00:50:37

Kristen: Absolutely.

988

: 00:50:38

And like coming from someone who's

married to somebody who is very much

989

: 00:50:41

in conventional medicine, I, I mean,

he'll tell you straight up, he'll

990

: 00:50:46

be like, Oh yeah, fragrance is bad.

991

: 00:50:47

Don't use fragrance.

992

: 00:50:48

Like he's like very much on board now.

993

: 00:50:50

And I think I love, I love it.

994

: 00:50:52

Cause he'll, he'll.

995

: 00:50:54

to me and he'll be like, babe,

I just found this new body

996

: 00:50:56

wash and it's free of parabens.

997

: 00:50:59

It's free of phthalates It's like free

of all the things and then he'll be

998

: 00:51:02

like, can you look at the ingredient

list to make sure it looks good?

999

: 00:51:05

I'll be like, yeah sure and I take a look.

: 1000

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I'm like looks great, baby.

: 1001

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Like sweet.

: 1002

00:51:08,262 --> 00:51:11,762

I'm so excited to try it Like it's

awesome to see how he's gotten on

: 1003

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board and and he's gonna carry that

with him through his whole career

: 1004

00:51:15,052 --> 00:51:17,147

You know of like understanding These

: 1005

00:51:17,277 --> 00:51:17,557

mari: Yes.

: 1006

00:51:17,647 --> 00:51:21,177

Kristen: of health that are so

important that they're not teaching

: 1007

00:51:21,187 --> 00:51:23,877

about in medical school, like you're

not going to learn about the dangers

: 1008

00:51:23,877 --> 00:51:25,247

of fragrance in medical school.

: 1009

00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:26,497

Um, but it's important.

: 1010

00:51:26,867 --> 00:51:27,597

So, yeah,

: 1011

00:51:28,292 --> 00:51:29,012

mari: Absolutely.

: 1012

00:51:29,562 --> 00:51:30,042

Amazing.

: 1013

00:51:30,042 --> 00:51:34,602

This has been such a helpful, such

an awesome, empowering conversation.

: 1014

00:51:34,862 --> 00:51:37,322

Any other, you know, things or

encouragement that you want to

: 1015

00:51:37,322 --> 00:51:39,212

share before we totally close out?

: 1016

00:51:39,212 --> 00:51:40,642

Yes.

: 1017

00:51:40,642 --> 00:51:42,072

Yes.

: 1018

00:51:42,227 --> 00:51:45,867

Kristen: just, um, it, it may

feel easy to just get overwhelmed

: 1019

00:51:45,887 --> 00:51:47,137

when you start this journey out.

: 1020

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And like you were saying earlier,

Mari, I think sometimes when you

: 1021

00:51:49,947 --> 00:51:53,097

first hear about all of this, you can

start having this feeling of like.

: 1022

00:51:53,452 --> 00:51:55,932

Panic of, my goodness.

: 1023

00:51:55,962 --> 00:51:59,802

I probably have so much stuff in my home

right now that's like killing me and

: 1024

00:51:59,802 --> 00:52:01,382

it's toxic and I'm going to get cancer.

: 1025

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And like, you can start spiraling

and just really freak out.

: 1026

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And I always just encourage people, like

take a breath, take a step back, pray

: 1027

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about it, and And make one little change.

: 1028

00:52:13,857 --> 00:52:14,417

That's it.

: 1029

00:52:15,057 --> 00:52:18,227

Know that every little change

you're making is making an impact

: 1030

00:52:18,287 --> 00:52:20,367

on your body's toxic burden.

: 1031

00:52:20,727 --> 00:52:21,777

And it makes a difference.

: 1032

00:52:21,827 --> 00:52:25,077

And you don't have to

do everything overnight.

: 1033

00:52:25,077 --> 00:52:29,597

And I say this a lot, like, don't

compare my year five to your day one.

: 1034

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I was at day one at one point,

and now I'm at year five, but

: 1035

00:52:34,727 --> 00:52:37,087

it took a long time to get here.

: 1036

00:52:37,087 --> 00:52:41,287

And I don't expect people to suddenly

wake up one day and be able to explain

: 1037

00:52:41,287 --> 00:52:44,917

phthalates and be able to understand

all these chemicals and stuff, but

: 1038

00:52:45,267 --> 00:52:47,277

it's one little change at a time.

: 1039

00:52:47,367 --> 00:52:52,107

And, and whenever you start to feel like

your nervous system kind of freaking

: 1040

00:52:52,107 --> 00:52:54,177

out, your heart starts going faster.

: 1041

00:52:54,177 --> 00:52:56,647

You get a little sweaty as you

start to hear about something

: 1042

00:52:56,647 --> 00:52:57,947

or toxins in my brain.

: 1043

00:52:57,967 --> 00:52:58,997

Floss.

: 1044

00:52:58,997 --> 00:52:59,217

What?

: 1045

00:52:59,547 --> 00:53:01,427

And then you start just

freaking out, right?

: 1046

00:53:01,737 --> 00:53:04,777

It's like important to just take a

step back, take a breath and be like,

: 1047

00:53:05,047 --> 00:53:07,377

okay, today I'm going to do my best.

: 1048

00:53:07,457 --> 00:53:08,517

And then I'm going to forget the rest.

: 1049

00:53:09,727 --> 00:53:13,997

I'm just going to let go what I, what

I can't handle or can't control today

: 1050

00:53:14,007 --> 00:53:19,457

because truly If our nervous system is

dysregulated, we can't live well, we can't

: 1051

00:53:19,542 --> 00:53:20,102

mari: Mm hmm.

: 1052

00:53:20,377 --> 00:53:23,957

Kristen: And that's the most important

thing is to learn how to be still, be

: 1053

00:53:23,957 --> 00:53:28,517

calm, get outside, be in the sun, put

your feet in the grass, drink some

: 1054

00:53:28,517 --> 00:53:33,527

water, eat some protein, you know,

get those, those basics of health.

: 1055

00:53:33,587 --> 00:53:36,837

And then yeah, start swapping out

toxic products, but don't become

: 1056

00:53:36,937 --> 00:53:40,737

so obsessed with getting rid of

toxins that your mental health

: 1057

00:53:40,737 --> 00:53:42,597

becomes super toxic in itself.

: 1058

00:53:43,177 --> 00:53:43,807

Because I think that's.

: 1059

00:53:44,052 --> 00:53:48,702

That's a risk that you run when you

start this non toxic lifestyle is this

: 1060

00:53:49,992 --> 00:53:52,402

mindset of I have to switch everything.

: 1061

00:53:52,402 --> 00:53:53,332

I have to swap it all.

: 1062

00:53:53,332 --> 00:53:54,452

I have to do it perfectly.

: 1063

00:53:54,452 --> 00:53:55,732

And that's not the point.

: 1064

00:53:55,942 --> 00:53:59,362

The point is just to give our

bodies the space that they

: 1065

00:53:59,362 --> 00:54:02,312

need to function optimally.

: 1066

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And for anybody who's like, Okay.

: 1067

00:54:05,077 --> 00:54:06,587

I'm looking for next steps after this.

: 1068

00:54:06,587 --> 00:54:10,387

I really want to start swapping out

products in my beauty, in my, um, in my

: 1069

00:54:10,387 --> 00:54:14,647

beauty routine, or I want to know like,

how can I buy toxin free furniture?

: 1070

00:54:14,657 --> 00:54:17,267

Or how can I have toxin free kitchen gear?

: 1071

00:54:17,287 --> 00:54:21,137

I have a whole lineup of guides

that if you go to my Instagram,

: 1072

00:54:21,177 --> 00:54:23,387

it's at the dot organic mama.

: 1073

00:54:23,672 --> 00:54:26,952

If you go to the link in my bio, I

have several different guides that

: 1074

00:54:26,952 --> 00:54:31,232

are all based on different categories

of your life for babies, for homes,

: 1075

00:54:31,262 --> 00:54:36,102

for beauty products, and, um, those

are some great resources if you're

: 1076

00:54:36,102 --> 00:54:41,032

wanting to dive further into this

on how can I lessen my toxic load.

: 1077

00:54:41,307 --> 00:54:43,717

That would be a great place

to start, at least I think so.

: 1078

00:54:43,717 --> 00:54:47,987

I'm biased, but I put those resources

together for people that are

: 1079

00:54:48,117 --> 00:54:49,697

ready to take it a step further.

: 1080

00:54:50,982 --> 00:54:51,382

mari: Yeah.

: 1081

00:54:51,432 --> 00:54:52,552

No, that'll be really helpful.

: 1082

00:54:53,022 --> 00:54:55,222

Uh, thank you for those

words of encouragement.

: 1083

00:54:55,222 --> 00:54:59,072

You have such a spirit of like peace

and kindness and love when you speak

: 1084

00:54:59,072 --> 00:55:03,272

about this, that I hope people feel that

on the other side of their headphones

: 1085

00:55:03,272 --> 00:55:04,502

or car, wherever they're listening.

: 1086

00:55:04,502 --> 00:55:06,492

So, uh, where can we find you?

: 1087

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I know we've mentioned your Instagram

before you mentioned your bio, but one

: 1088

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more time, do you, what your Instagram

handle and do you have a website or

: 1089

00:55:13,227 --> 00:55:13,647

Kristen: Yeah.

: 1090

00:55:13,687 --> 00:55:14,907

So you can find me on Instagram.

: 1091

00:55:14,907 --> 00:55:15,687

It's at the.

: 1092

00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:16,887

organamama.

: 1093

00:55:16,927 --> 00:55:19,397

I do have a website that's organamama.

: 1094

00:55:19,397 --> 00:55:19,727

com.

: 1095

00:55:19,747 --> 00:55:20,947

It's in the works right now.

: 1096

00:55:20,957 --> 00:55:21,487

So maybe by the

: 1097

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mari: Okay.

: 1098

00:55:22,307 --> 00:55:24,057

Kristen: comes out, it'll be updated, but.

: 1099

00:55:24,777 --> 00:55:27,987

working on making that better and

getting my blog back up and running.

: 1100

00:55:27,997 --> 00:55:28,307

But

: 1101

00:55:28,442 --> 00:55:29,202

mari: Perfect.

: 1102

00:55:29,317 --> 00:55:31,297

Kristen: talking on Instagram,

feel free to send me a DM.

: 1103

00:55:31,297 --> 00:55:33,997

I always love having conversations

with people to help them get

: 1104

00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:35,097

their health back on track.

: 1105

00:55:35,872 --> 00:55:36,362

mari: Perfect.

: 1106

00:55:36,392 --> 00:55:37,432

Thanks, Kristen.

: 1107

00:55:37,777 --> 00:55:38,537

Kristen: Absolutely, Mari.

: 1108

00:55:38,537 --> 00:55:40,037

Thank you so much for having me today.

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