For Podcasthon 2025, Nigerian-born pharmacist Dr. Nnenna Onosode shares her journey from experiencing childhood sexual abuse to founding Anadel Speaks Foundation, a nonprofit organization protecting African children through sexual abuse prevention education.

After building a successful healthcare career in America, Nnenna responded to a divine calling that began after motherhood. She reveals how she overcame fears to launch her child protection nonprofit, developed educational programs remotely implemented in Nigerian schools, and is now constructing a shelter for abuse survivors.

Through her inspiring story, Dr. Nnenna offers wisdom on recognizing your purpose, navigating cross-cultural nonprofit challenges in Africa, maintaining wellness while doing trauma-related work, and transforming personal pain into impactful child advocacy that bridges continents.

This special episode is also part of Podcasthon 2025 -@podcasthon-en, a global movement uniting podcasters to amplify charitable causes throughout this week. 

You will learn:

• How to recognize your calling: Follow what persistently tugs at your heart, even when ignored. 
• How to start a nonprofit with limited resources: Reverse-engineer your vision by working backward from your ultimate goal. 
• How to navigate cross-cultural challenges: Practice patience with different work styles and acknowledge local socioeconomic realities. 
• How to maintain wellness during heavy work: Schedule non-negotiable spiritual renewal time and cultivate supportive relationships. 
• How to sustain your mission through challenges: Accept the preparatory season that builds your character before your calling unfolds. 

What We Discuss:

[00:00] - Introduction to Dr. Nnenna and Podcasthon 2025

[04:25] - From Nigeria to America: Educational Journey

[08:46] - The Divine Calling to Child Protection Work

[14:12] - Surviving Childhood Abuse: A Personal Story

[23:37] - Divine Confirmation and Foundation Genesis

[32:28] - Building Educational Programs Across Continents

[39:30] - Overcoming Challenges in African Nonprofit Work

[47:50] - Spiritual Self-Care While Carrying Others' Stories

[52:23] - Celebrating Growth: Shelter Construction and Beyond

[01:01:44] - Reflections & Finding Your Purpose: Destiny and Divine Timing

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The Kádàrá Woman Podcast is dedicated to amplifying the often-overlooked impact-driven stories of remarkable African women (and women of the diaspora) who pivoted into their purpose and became barrier breakers, status quo challengers and change makers around the world. This podcast spotlights the journeys of purpose-driven African women who are reshaping their lives through intentional living and powerful mindset shifts. 

While we spotlight African women's experiences, our stories resonate deeply with a global audience of ambitious, forward-thinking women seeking inspiration and practical insights.

Hosted by Lola Soyebo Harris, this inspiring series explores how impact-driven African women navigate self-doubt, embrace service, and master their purpose while making pivotal decisions in their careers and personal lives. This podcast is an essential resource for those interested in personal development, mindset transformation, African women's empowerment, and purpose-driven living. 

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Hello.

Hello.

Podcasthon is a global movement where podcasters like me unite to amplify charitable causes and create positive change through storytelling. So today I get to sit down with someone whose story is absolutely moving. Dr. Nnenna Onosode.

She grew up in Lagos, Nigeria, before coming to America just the age of 14. And her journey from pharmacist to passion, founder of Anadel Speaks foundation, is both deeply personal and incredibly inspiring.

But first, a special thank you to all our social media followers who suggested female founded African nonprofits for us to feature. So back to Dr. Nnenna.

What started as a burden on her heart after having her first child has blossomed into a powerful mission to prevent child sexual abuse through education, especially in schools across Africa. Throughout our conversation, Dr.

Nnenna opens up about her experiences that shaped her calling, those divine nudges that confirmed her path, and how she balances her professional career with non profit work that spans continents. Just a quick heads up for our listeners. We do touch on some sensitive topics around child sexual abuse in this episode.

So please be mindful of the audience around you. But more importantly, be sure to take care of yourself if this may be a trigger point.

Would you approach these moments with care and focus more on the positive work that Dr. Nana is doing to create change?

And so, on that note, please join us on this special conversation about turning personal pain into purposeful action that's changing lives across the African continent. Well, hello Nnenna. Happy, happy. Actually, happy Sunday. And we're recording on the weekend, which we usually don't do that.

So I just want to say thank you for making time.

Of course. It's a pleasure being on here. It's a pleasure being part of your journey. Excited?

I'm not sure where any of the conversation will go, but I'm just excited.

Well, first of all, again, just thank you for being our guest.

And as you know, it's, it's twofold because while you're a Kadara woman guest, we also have the pleasure of interviewing you for a special initiative called Podcast, on which I am glad we joined this year.

And the whole mission is really to unite podcasters to just use a platform to amplify these stories of awareness, engagement around charitable causes. So thank you for saying yes. And on that note, we're going to dive into the early years of Nnenna. So what is your heritage?

What African country are your roots in? And how does that influence the woman you are today?

Of course. So I am inherently Nigerian. I am from the eastern part of Nigeria, a number of states. Although my tenure in Anambra was not long at all. I grew up.

I was born and bred a Lagos girl for a long. For the better part of my life. I was born and bred there. I went to school there and eventually, you know, came out to the United States for what was.

What was meant to be college, but got here and had to go back again because of my age. Had to go back again to do a little part of high school before entering into college.

What. What age did you get?

About 14. 14.

Oh, wow. Anything.

So, you know, here, 14 is a sophomore here. Right.

The suggestion was, hey, you know, as far as maturity goes, I don't think she can, you know, I don't think she can, you know, go into college at this point. Let her kind of assimilate into the system. I'm thankful for that.

I'm thankful for that because it allowed me just accesses that I probably wouldn't have had if I went straight from Nigeria to college here. You know, allow me. Scholarship.

I was able to kind of get on that track to academically getting my college paid for, which I don't think that I would have. That would have happened if I got it from Nigeria. Right. And you know, my dad, he was very big on us not doing college in Nigeria.

There was a starring. Right. I think he just had PTSD from the stories of, you know, other family members that he would hear.

I'm just girls of age trying to, you know, just make it in universities. And he just had this anxiety about us staying back. And so that was. That was the plan. We were always going to leave. I actually left an SS2.

Oh, wow.

Finished the last year.

And so SS2, which is the equivalent of. For those of you in the U.S. that's equivalent of the 11th grade.

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, you know, fun fact. One of the guests we are having for season two, also from Anamber, came at 15.

And so maybe there's something in the water that we need to drink that makes you guys ready to go.

Ready to go. Yeah. No. But as far as how it shaped me, I truly loved my upbringing. I really did. I had very present parents. I had a full family.

You know how Nigerians, you have like this big. Extended. Extended. Some, you know, some you don't. Some, you know, some you don't. But my dad was very big on tradition and culture.

And so every year we would be going to the village. We've been meeting everybody. We would be making sure we connected with everybody and then coming back, you know, it was a pretty good childhood.

I would say that I really enjoyed my childhood. I. And I love the influence that it's had. Right. Even just being in Nigeria, being in America. Right.

Just the things that it ingrained in me, you know, in terms of just respect. I felt like I was mature in a sense, compared to my peers when I came over here.

I feel like, you know, even the things that I remember that the songs, the folk tales, like all of this stuff, I really, really, truly appreciate. And, you know, it's given me a sense of self.

Yeah, that's a common thread. Actually. A lot of immigrants share that similar story of just having a sense of self when they came. And most people came young.

And so I think that's something that. Have to figure out a way to ingrain that in our kids. And that makes it a totally different challenge. Right. What we.

What we know made us become what we are today. But then you also have a very interesting career journey where you went from chemistry to pharmacy, and then you founded a nonprofit.

And could you share a little bit more about your educational background and what drew you to healthcare? Was that something you always wanted to do as a kid?

To be honest, that's all that I knew. So where my family is a very, very big health care family. So a lot of us are. Well, I would say science family. Right. So my dad is an engineer.

My mom was in business, though. But when I think about every other person. So in terms of my uncles, aunts, cousins, a lot of them are all their doctors, right?

A lot of them are doctors or in the science field. Field. And so I don't know that I had. I'll be lying if I said, oh, you know, I. Since I was a child, I dreamt of being a part. No, it's just.

Yeah, there were too many people, too many mentors and even people that were not my family that would, you know, be encouraging us to kind of take that path. Even from Nigeria. Now coming here, coming here, it was the same thing. So my dad was actually. He was here for a while.

He was an engineer here, and then ended up. They ended up taking him back to. He worked for IBM and they ended up posting him back in Nigeria, where he led there.

But then when he was here, he brought a lot of his family here, brothers, and they became doctors here. And so the mindset has always been, hey, your achievement is to be in the Sciences, your achievement is to be in health care.

You know, that's not necessarily correct, but that was just what we were. Yeah. And so in terms of me going into pharmacy, I was actually going to go into medicine, but I also was looking at a young age.

You know, we have, there's this idea of career, but then you're also a female. And so my mom had this, her own, her own agenda was you're going to get married and you're going to have to figure out what life is going to be like.

You know, pursuing career and being married. You need that flexibility. And at that time, pharmacy, it was a great career and it offered that type of flexibility.

Oh, wow.

So in terms of moving and segueing to the non profits in the non profit space, that was really a challenge on my part from the Holy Spirit. You know, I felt like, you know, Nana, you're.

There's a lot of people that don't have to go into ministry to fulfill their calling, but there was an urge, right. There's a sense that I, and I'm sure everyone gets when they are called to do something and it does not die. Right.

And so for me, it was knowing what my history was and what my experiences as a young child was. Having kids, right. When I first moved, when I had my first son was when it became so heavy I couldn't even sleep at night. Right.

And so that was the pull into, okay, I have to do something about this. I have to be part. Even if I'm not. The idea was not even to found anything.

It was, I need to be a part of getting this under control or getting being a mark. Right. And so that's how it came about. It's really me sitting on the bed going, okay, Lord, it's too, it's too heavy. Now what do I start doing?

And I literally just started writing all the things that I would like to see in the world that would just push back. This sexual abuse issue, I wanted it pushed out.

And so whatever it is that I could write down, whatever it is, I could start whatever it was, I wanted to do it. So that's how it kind of came about. It was pretty late in the game, so I was, I was kind of just career for a better part of the lifestyle.

And then you got the poll.

So before we continue the conversation, I just want to take a moment to let our listeners Know that we are going to be discussing challenging topics around child sexual abuse and possibly human trafficking.

And so while these subjects are going to be taken with care and focusing on the positive work that Nana has done and her organization has done, I do understand this might be a trigger for some people. And so please take care of yourself, make sure there are no children listening and feel free to pause if you need to.

And so on that note, Nana, let's dive into this, right? Let's talk about what made you start and then how did you get to an adult speak specifically?

I think it's, it's, it would be good for me to go back to just the precedence, right. Of my childhood, right? So I mentioned that I was with very present parents. I had a very good upbringing, right?

But there were, there were gaps, right? Gaps that allowed access to me in a way that should never have, I should never have happened, right?

So at a young age, I remember, I think as young as, you know, there are parts of your, of your, of your mind, even scientifically, you know, as a kid, you cannot remember. There's parts of your story you can't remember.

But I know that I can go back to at least the age of maybe six, five or six where I had my first experience of sexual abuse, right. And it happened in my home that was with very present parents, with dad and mom that loved me and loving siblings. But it happened with the staff.

You know, in Nigeria there's a lot of staff that we had from drivers to. And this is not to say, you know, it's a common thing in Nigeria. Well, take home.

But it is not, it is not unusual for homes in Nigeria to have stewards and maids and drivers and all of these things. I think that there was such a trust in those people even, even in some family members that, you know, kind of went over my parents heads.

Now I was very quiet as a child, even quieter after the abuse, but I was very quiet. I didn't, I wasn't as boisterous. And so having those things happen, especially not knowing what it actually was, right.

I wasn't sure what was happening. A lot of times if I'm called into a room and asked to do stuff, I'm not sure what I'm actually being asked to do.

I've just been asked to do it, right?

And it wasn't until, you know, but there's, I feel like everyone being in the made, in the image of God, there is a sense, right, that he gives you, that this is not, it's not right. It Doesn't. You don't know what to put the verbiage to put on it, but you just know there's. It just feels off. It feels uncomfortable.

But I carried it because I didn't know how to say what it was. And another part of it was. I knew. Some part of me knew it was shameful. I'm not sure why I knew it was shameful, but some part of me knew there is.

I knew I was not. I'm not supposed to be naked in front of. It just felt uncomfortable. Right. So I'm not. If I'm telling my mom that I was.

Somebody told me to be naked, then I would have to explain, why are you naked? You know, it just. It was just a lot of things going on, and so I didn't have the verbiage. I didn't know what to say. Right.

And it took until everyone that was an abuser left the house before I said something.

So there were multiple people involved?

Yes, there were multiple people. There were multiple people. Yeah, it was. Yeah, there were multiple people. There were, you know, drivers, there were stewards.

And I think there's something about child sexual abuse that makes you feel like your body is now a commodity. Right. Especially when you're not really. We grew up in a Catholic household. But, you know, knowing you're true, that this is a sacred.

Your body is sacred, and it's a temple of the Lord, and it's not to be tempered with. That's something that came later on for me, right. After the first. After the first abuse, it became, oh, this is the norm, right?

If somebody walked past and wants to do this, oh, I'm not sure what it is, but okay, right. And so that became the. That became the norm. Right. And so after it all, when I think I was. I was in.

I had entered secondary school at the time, and I let my mom know, and I think she was just so overwhelmed with grief and sadness, all these emotions that she didn't know how to deal with, that she just became angry. After these incidents, I kind of kept it to myself after the incidents. My parents knew, but that was it.

I just kind of lived life thinking, hey, there's no longer. It's. It's past. Let's just keep living life. It was until I got married and I had children.

There was such a heaviness about teaching my children what to say and how to say it, if ever something like that was ever presented to them. But then, even as I was. Because I started teaching my children at a very young age.

But While I was doing this, I started thinking, but God, how about every other child that doesn't get this? You know, we're blessed to be.

My children are blessed to be in a home where, thank God, you're using my experience to, you know, pass on this information and educate them and pray over them and cover them. But then there are these children that don't have the same privileges, right? So how can I step in the gap, right?

And it wasn't just me coming in and educating. As much as I talk to my children, I do still know that it's the grace of God that covers them, right? I know it.

There's no lesson that is beyond that, right? So even covering the children that I want to at some point bring these programs to and, and get this information to was also key for me.

I can pinpoint specifics on how God intervened, right? So because of. Even though all these things happen, I can still see God's grace on my life. Even as a young child.

I told this story to my husband literally only a year ago because it came to my mind as the Holy Spirit was reminding me that his grace was still there, that he was still there. Even, even with all the things that were occurring, he was still there. There was a situation when, you know how you have interhouse courts, right?

I was really young, I was in primary school and I remember very vividly came to my mind how we were all, you know, you have your blue house, yellow house, red, everyone scattered everywhere. And I remember someone in my class, I wouldn't call her a friend, it's just another girl that was in my class asking me to come. And I remember her.

I'm about to share this, it's quite sensitive, but I remember her asking me to come and I came and we were just walking. She was telling me to go somewhere and we were just walking.

And as I'm walking, we get into this dark cabin, this dark area, and I'm like, what's going on? And she runs while a man grabs my hand. Right now in that moment, there was nobody around, there was nobody. I wasn't even sure what was happening.

But he held on to me so tight and I wasn't sure what he was going to do with me, but I screamed. I don't even know how much he was trying to do something. All I know is he was trying to button. And I screamed so loudly, he actually let me go.

He actually let me go and I ran out and I still didn't say anything to anybody. Now the Holy Spirit reminded me in that moment that a lot could have happened because there was nobody around. I probably would.

Who knows if I would have left that place. But something, something made him let me go. Right. So that, that in itself was a reminder, like, okay, I was there, I was present.

But then all these things are packaged up so that you can do something with it. And the heaviness when I had my kids was, okay, well, there's going to be another.

There might be another child that is being led down to another dark cabin. They might be at that point that she's walking or he's walking.

What in the back of their mind has been taught to them that says this might be an unsafe place to go to? I wasn't taught that. I wasn't. When, when, when someone's telling me to come and go and I don't see anybody else there.

I wasn't taught that, hey, maybe you need to get an adult. Maybe you need to confirm that that's where you need to be going. I wasn't taught that. Right.

So that's the kind of stuff that I wanted to just get out to, to the kids, because it was. It was just a burden of mine. And I know that we love who we love.

You know, we have our kids and, you know, by God's grace, nothing, you know, comes near them. But then my heart is just okay, for those that don't have the same, you know, who's speaking for them, what do they know?

And how can I, in some fashion, bridge that educational gap or learning gap or whatever it is. How can I help?

Thank you for sharing that. And I, and I can imagine that obviously when you retell that story, of course you're going to have to tap into memories as you're retelling that.

So I appreciate you sharing that for our listeners and just giving a backdrop to Annadel speak. So I think that would obviously inform them of your. Why. Why this had to happen.

So did you have to talk to your spouse and then your children? And of course, now your children are going to know your story at some point. Like, how did you get through all of that?

So when I gave birth to my son, I started having just, you know, everything became a problem that probably wasn't really a problem. So, for example, I would always question everyone who I saw with a little girl or a little boy. Right. Whether they were a parent or whatever it was.

Right. The first thing that would. Yeah, the first thought in my mind, I'll tell the story.

I went to a birthday party, and my son, I think, was maybe a year old at the time. And there was a man that was, you know, he. I think maybe he saw my son was a cute little boy. And he was just.

He was an older gentleman, and he was just playing with him, very innocently playing with him. And immediately I went over there and I. And I kind of just, you know, diplomatically just was like, oh. And I kind of took him out of there.

But what I noticed was that my mind was. Immediately went to that. That can't be a good interaction, right. So I had to actually work. Work out that I had to have.

God had to work that out of me because I honestly didn't want it to be a. I didn't want. I didn't want anything to be birthed out of fear. I wanted it to be burst out of hope. Right.

And I wanted to make sure that I wasn't trying to play God. Right. You know, sometimes it can. It can come out that way. If you are so scared of something you want it to end, you're not really.

You don't know if God even wants you to do it. You just want it to be done, and then you think you're the savior. So that's what I was kind of working through those years. Right.

And it took a lot of just honestly, me just being in prayer, me being restless. But one of the things that I know that God does when he is assuring me that something is confirmed is that he does it over and over again, right.

He'll tell you something and then he'll tell it to you through somebody else or, you know, he'll say it in a sermon for me or, you know, and it's. It's always been coming up, but there's always been the fear that I don't have time.

You know, I want to do it, but then I don't know where the capacity or the time or the space. You know, my husband and I are very career oriented and we're very, you know, the scheduling is. Sometimes we try to figure out how it's Done.

So just stuff like that. Like, I've never. Foundation. I've never just gets up and decides to decide to have a foundation. So just things like that. There was that as well.

But one thing that I know, he confirmed how he confirmed that I needed to press into this was actually my husband getting up one day. He woke up one day and said, nana, I think God wants you to do something. And he said, I think that you need to start an organization.

You need to start a foundation. He's telling me this, that you need to start something that is going to be targeting sexual abuse. And he didn't.

I mean, he was aware that I was, you know, kind of wrestling, but not to the extent that I actually was. Right. And so he said he's given. He actually said he's given me a plan. He's telling me, this is how you're supposed. This is how it's gonna happen.

This is how it's gonna happen. And it was actually, like, line by line. And he said, just start.

And in that bed was when I took out my little notes, and I said, okay, this is what I wanted to see. And I started. I worked from the. The. The backside up. So almost, okay, I want it. I want to have a shelter. I want to have this.

And I started kind of working back. Okay, this is. This is what comes before. This is what comes before. And I.

When I got done, I was like, okay, well, I guess we're gonna have to apply, you know, and that's the first thing, honestly. I sat there and I went on the Texas SOS website, and that was how it started. I just put in the application for a nonprofit organization.

Yeah. Which. Yeah. Which is a whole process in itself in the States. Right. For good reasons. And so did you know, though, where the work was going to be done?

Right.

Did you know it was going to be centered in Africa? Okay, so you got that clarity.

Yes, so I got that clarity. What I knew. Okay, so in terms of it being centered in Africa. Not specifically, but I knew it wasn't going to be in America.

I needed to go where the need was. Right. I needed to go where. Not saying there's no need here, but in terms of.

There's a lot of. There's a lot of work here.

Right. There's still a lot. Listen, there's no. There's no country or continent that cannot have more. We need more laborers on the ground.

But in terms of, like, people actually doing work and doing it well and the resources being available and the funding and all of that. Stuff I needed to go where the. The need was, as far as the need was. Right.

And so that's what I'm actually currently praying about, is, okay, give me capacity, right, to do that. But, yeah, so I knew it wasn't. It wasn't to be in the comfort of my own home or state or whatever. Yeah.

Wow. And so you start Anadel Speaks and you get the clarity, and that becomes your work. It sounds like there's this clear.

This is what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm curious. So you mentioned that you knew what you wanted from. You basically reverse engineered it.

So you knew you wanted a shelter, you knew that you wanted certain resources, and you just worked your way back. But what were the specific things? Because it's a lot to cover now. It could become overwhelming very quickly.

So how did you figure out the specific challenges you're going to tackle first?

So, like I mentioned, I had a fear about moving forward, right? So I had all those tasks written down. But taking the first step took a while, right?

Taking the first step to do anything besides putting that application in took a while. So even overcoming that took a lot of prayer for me to do that. But then I knew that, okay, first of all, I needed the resources that I needed, right?

Where they were going to be financial for sure. But I also, I'm going to need also brain power, right? I'm going to need people that are going to be along this journey with me.

So I started talking to people, right? I started talking and sharing what was on my heart with people.

And God is incredible because within really the onset, I had this group of people that are now my board members and have been my board members for a while, for actually since the onset, we just added an additional two that were literally the connectors for me, right? So everyone brought something in. I didn't have to really think of all everything on my own.

Everyone was putting in ideas and adding to the vision and. And it became this thing that we were like, okay, well, this is probably. This is possible. This is possible. It's doable, you know.

And so I think the first thing I had to overcome, like I said, was the fear. So I, you know, in terms of building the website, I put heads together, started resource researching and doing all this stuff.

We put the website together. I'm like, okay, we have to at least be able to be able to get a landing space for people to find us, right?

That was the first thing where how are people gonna find us? And so that was where the website came about, thank goodness it took a long time to get that website.

And then, you know, obviously setting up, you know, the pages every. I'm not a big social media person. That's a struggle.

But even stepping into that space of, okay, now we gotta alert people that we're around, you know, I kept. It's just. I feel like with every phase, there's a challenge and the challenge grows me. The challenge grows me.

On the other side of that challenge is, okay, now I feel like I'm the person that can actually do this, you know, and so. And then. And then funding was another one. We had to. We had to put together our first fundraiser. Okay. And that, you know, I feel like God is.

And the way he does things. So we. We all have our calling, but sometimes we have to carry water until that calling is. Is we meet that calling on the road.

Sometimes you're okay, plant, you know, doing something else, planting somewhere so that there's enough to. To pour into that calling. So with our. With. We were able to, you know, with my husband and I keep pouring into. As far as.

Now I'm talking about financials. Right. Pouring into the foundation from your own resources. Yes, from our own resources.

Pouring into that, you know, building websites, doing all that stuff that takes money. There's nobody that knows us. Nobody's giving us money. Right, right. So we are. We're doing that. We're pouring in and then, you know it.

When the time came for the fundraising to happen, we were.

I had been talking to schools, you know, just giving the grace to even call schools up in Nigeria and say, hey, this is what we're thinking about doing. The challenges. Africa has its own set of challenges.

Bringing something, we're going to get into.

That, something that's free, that's helpful, that, you know, will be impactful to your school sometimes is not met with the same, you know, enthusiasm. Right. There's always. Sometimes it could be what. What is in it for me, Even though you're the one. Right.

But. Yeah, but do you think that was because of the subject matter too, though? Do you think that had anything to do with that?

No, no, not particularly.

Just lack of trust maybe.

I think too, you have to be careful when you're bringing in the program to make sure that it's not just something on the website to put without implementation. Right. So there was initially, when we first started, we were in.

We were going into private schools because those were the ones that would give us a chance. The public school sector, it's a lot of red taping you have to go through a lot of layers.

So we wanted to actually pilot these programs, do it fairly quickly. And so just getting the private schools wanted to be on board. Right.

But it's also trying to figure out, hey, what is the reason you want to be on board? I just don't want you to have it on your website. I want you to actually do the work. Right. And so that was the challenging thing.

And also trying to even get our information there. Sometimes you have to pay money, you know, to come and get your vision out and all of that. But we got through that, thankfully.

So were you going back home to Nigeria then to do this work on ground or was it all done remotely?

It was all done remotely. We would train remotely. We would. Because it's an online course, right? What we would do, we would ship the material, we would train everyone remotely.

We have our program coordinator here that would meet with all of the teachers, all of the heads of schools. We would have ongoing follow up meetings, all of that stuff.

Even as it stands right now, I have about maybe six or seven meetings with all the head teachers of the school. So it can all be done remotely. Now I do have people on ground now because you do still want presence, right.

And also it gives them kind of motivation when they see people walk in and there's an assessment going on.

We have, you know, we have, we reward the teachers that are doing exemplarily well and the students, you know, we want to make sure that they're being encouraged, you know, to do the work.

Because it's not, it's not, it's not that it's hard work, but it's just something else to do while you are trying to implement your own, you know, didactic learning and academic stuff. Something that I'm asking you to do. And it's for the betterment of the kids, but it's still an additional thing you have to do.

So we do have to go on ground now, but initially we did not. And so we were able to do it virtually.

So it sounds like you started out with the education initiative. This was just to get the awareness out there, just to educate kids to understand what's safe and what's not safe.

Which I will say as a parent in the US There's a lot of that early education that happens at some form. And so I don't remember getting that kind of education growing up in school Nigeria. So I think it's amazing that you started from that point.

But when you're going through that, I'm sure Then there are people who are now speaking up. Right, so what happens then?

So a big. One of the biggest things that I think we. We.

We've been able to do this year, right, is partner up with DSVRT, that's the Domestic and Sexual Violence Response Team in Nigeria. So how this.

Wait, there's. There's. There's that in Nigeria.

Yeah, yeah, there is. And they actually have their own programs as. As well, that goes. That go into schools, but they. From my understanding, they have a one and done.

So they come, they do a seminar, and then they're done.

Whereas our program, you can literally do it through throughout the course of the year and then start the next year and the next year and people can keep having it. Right. For our last. You were at our last gala, I think. Right? Yeah. So Mrs. Titilayo Vivour. So she's actually the executive secretary for dsvrt.

Remember, she gave all the stats and all of that. So she's currently on our board now. Yeah. And they were actually very.

They were very, very good partnership to have because they actually got us into the public school sector that we had been wanting to go into, because that's really where the need is. This is where, you know, the.

The children of the housemaids and the people that, you know, that these are people who actually do want to get the information across to ours. So she was able to give us access to that. So we ended up getting schools that we could implement our program into there. But also, there are.

There are already established hotlines and processes with dsdrt, Right. For when any child speaks up. Okay. So when a child speaks up, there's already people that are stationed, right. That connect with the child.

So there's one department that connects with the child and their family if they are speaking up from a school environment. And then there are others that handle. If they're coming from any other environment. Environment. Right.

And so they will actually take on the case and follow it up. So they're the ones calling. The. They're calling in law enforcement. The. The cases are followed up with the courts and all of that stuff.

So our job, right, is to get them to speak. And then we hand over to.

Okay, that is a very clear demarcation because there's To. To your point, the. When they speak up, there's another set of work that has to happen, right?

Yes.

So has. Just out of curiosity, has that organization always. How long has that organization been placed?

Oh, it's been in place for a while. I don't know the number of years, but it's been in place and it's interesting. A lot of people don't know that it's there.

A lot of people don't know that they can actually. I just saw a couple of days ago that they actually have a mobile app where you can actually self report now. So you can do that now.

I don't know how many people have access to mobile phone phones, especially in the, in the classrooms that we're in. Right. But it is there, it's available. Right.

In terms of how long it takes for the cases to close and for justice to happen, that could take, it takes, it could take a while or it could take a few months. It, you know, but they have, they do have, they are, they do grab the case on and then they take it to the end. Yeah.

So I have a two pronged question.

So what is the, so the first one is what is the one thing that surprised you when you were bringing the program to Nigeria, which was your first country to start to implement? And then the second part, what was the thing that you were the obstacle that you didn't expect to happen?

So what was a good thing that surprised you and what was the bad thing that happened that surprised you as well? Does that make sense?

Yes. Yes. So the good thing that surprised me is that there actually, actually are programs. Right. I didn't know.

So when, when this whole urge came up, I'm like, we need to go there because I don't think there's anything, I don't think just like you just found out DSVRT exists. But it's. There are, there are programs that are being now, there are programs that are being implemented. It's just not nearly.

I mean, we need more, we need more. We need more laborers on ground. Right. And so that me was a pleasant surprise.

Even with esvrt, they go in and they have their conferences, they come out, even if it's just once a year, it's something, you know. And before even talking with them, they've been in at least 3,000 schools with their program. Right.

3,000 schools, elementary up until secondary, you know, with their program. So that was a, I didn't know that. That was a, a good surprise for me. Now in terms of the challenges, I think just follow through.

Being able to be of your word and following through with what you say you are going to do.

I mean, you know, in the States, if there is a contract signed and if there are things in place, you would think, you know, hey, you are going to actually do it. And it will be in a timeline that we all agreed on. I think just the frustration piece of. Well, we both agreed this was the date that of completion.

We both. When we were reminded, we were reminded of this particular date. But when it comes, when it gets to the date, there haven't been any questions.

There haven't been any, you know, suggestions to us to let us be aware that there's any been any issues at all. But then all of a sudden, on that day, there's all these issues, and that's the reason why you couldn't do it.

I think just getting used to a different type of management style, I would say.

Try not to laugh.

A different type of management style. So I managed. So I managed the pharmacy for a number of years, and then my husband has a practice, and I managed that while still doing this.

And, you know, you just. They're just not saying Americans are perfect because we have our. We have our own things, but there's just an expectation, right?

And if you don't meet that expectation, we might, you know, get first, second, third, and then we're out. But you in Nigeria doesn't really work that way. You know, you got to keep, you know, keep. Keep at it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So.

So that's an adjustment for you in. In itself.

And so that's. Yeah, that's.

That's really the challenging piece that I think, you know, I think honestly, even though it is challenging, there are also challenges there, right. That people have that are overwhelmingly more than we can consider our challenges here sometimes.

So I think even with the six, even with the schools that we're in, you know, because it's a government school, there's been a lot of changes, a lot of turnover there. So there's some teachers that actually are teaching, like, three classes combined in one. Right. And so that there's that burden of doing that.

And then also, you know, I know how much teachers get paid, you know, in the government schools in Nigeria, it's barely anything, right?

And so even when you think about what they're bringing into the classroom and you putting this on them, I have to tie everything in their people, right? I have to tie everything and go, okay, these are the challenges you're already facing, and I want you to do this thing. Well, I cannot.

I cannot bring the standard down here. So let's. Let's try and figure out how we can get on the same page, right?

And so that's where all the encouraging, you know, me encouraging them, even if it's like, hey, the Best person that does the best. We're going to come in and do this. We're going to, you know, just so that we can have them know that we're seeing them. You're not just a worker.

You're. We see that you're doing. Yeah. So.

So is that a part of your.

So it sounds like that's part of your monetary resources that you have to account for so you can reward them for the additional work just because they're not being paid a living wage for lack of a better phase.

And honestly, that also. That's not my sector. That's not my sector.

But I just think in places like Africa, Nigeria, you cannot address certain things without addressing that piece because people come in with that piece. If you haven't been able to feed your family, it's really hard for you to take a lot of things seriously.

Even the, you know, it's just, it's too overwhelming if you're not able to. So you have to almost include the poverty piece. Right. In whatever admission that you're. You're. You have to account for.

You have to include it here, but even more so there. Yeah, that's.

That's a, that's actually a good point that you raised.

And I think along those lines, for anyone who's listening, that has a calling on their heart and they want to go back and solve a challenge that they see, a societal challenge that they see, but specifically want to solve it on the continent, what is another advice that you'd give to them in terms of just getting started?

So I think. Besides getting started. Yeah, I think, you know, like I said, you know, not ignoring every other extraneous factor. Right.

If you're out of the country, things are not. They may not work in the same manner as you thought they would work. Right. But just being patient. Right. Being patient.

Understanding that this is possibly new to the people that you're present, presenting it to too. Right. And just understanding that the challenges that they have to deal with. Right. For some of them, it's too much. Right.

But they still have to show up to work.

So even giving that grace, understanding that they are people too, and that, yes, you want a program out there, but you also want healthy people delivering the program so that you want healthy people delivering the program so that the students that are getting the information get it correctly. So that's. That's what I would say. Yeah. Just patience. Patience. Patience. Patience. Prayer. Prayer and patience getting.

Making sure that you are also doing as much research as you can. Right. On the. The. Where you're going into what, what state are you in? You know, what is the current need? Is there anything there?

Are there something where can you best fit? You know, sometimes it's partnering up with people, you know, like dsvrt for example. There's no one.

As long as we're all doing the work, we don't have to be fighting or stepping, you know, on each other's toes. If somebody else wants to engage your school. Right. Or engage, you know, sometimes you can get even in the non profit space.

You know, I've seen it where we're all doing the same work. It's, it's all, it's all adding to the same. It's all adding.

It's not a fight.

It's not a fight. Okay. It's not a fight. If the school is already getting it, you don't need to go in with yours. Their mind is better.

If they're getting it and they're being fed by it, then we find us, we find somewhere else that does have the need and that you can be a positive impact too. So. Yeah, so, you know, there's, trust me, there's enough need that there's enough needs to go around for everybody. Right.

Right.

What I would say is just whatever you are doing, even if it's, it is voluntary work and it's a mission, do it well, do it excellently.

Do it as you would do it if you were getting paid for it, you know, because at the end of the day, it might not be monetary payment, but this is far more rewarding. Right. So do it, do it excellently.

Put all the research you would have done in a scientific career or whatever, do that, bring that same work ethic, Call the meetings, you know, hold people accountable on your team.

You know, don't be afraid to, don't be afraid to address, you know, where you need people to step up a little bit more, you know, on your team, on your organization and your foundation. Don't be afraid to do that. Do it with confrontational love and care. But, but don't be afraid. Yeah.

Because you want to do, you want to do the work well, you know, and you want people to take you seriously. Right. You don't want, you know, just because you're out of, out of the country, you have some type of magical.

No, you want people to take you seriously. So, yeah, doing the work well, that.

Is, yeah, I think you packed a lot of good advice and thank you for giving some practical things that people can do if they're trying to start a nonprofit In Africa or in a non, you know, in a country that has more challenges than, say, the US for instance. So just to transition a little bit, you talked about being healthy, the people who are doing the work, being healthy. But I'm now curious about you.

So you, you have to absorb some of these stories. Yes. You're on the education initiative, part of the spectrum. But I'm sure some of those stories still bubble up to you.

And so I'm curious how you take care of yourself as you carry these stories and how you process them and how you decompress.

Honestly, Lola, I. There's no other way that I do it, but in my quiet space with God. I could be in therapy.

I could tell you that I go to therapy and I like counsel and I get counsel and this and that, which is excellent to do. But what I know is that there is a decluttering that happens when I'm in that space. And I'm.

If there's one thing that I can say is that I'm diligent about being in that space. I don't take that space for granted. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I create that space. As soon as I wake up, I'm creating the space.

I try to, I'm making time for the space because that's the space that I get to almost. I vomit everything that I'm carrying, right? And I feel myself back in. I.

There's a feeling that happens and I vomit and I do it again in the afternoon, I do it again at night, right? I'm intentional about that space. It's almost like getting a massage, right? That's, that, that's that space.

I know that, you know, the kind of work that we're doing is not just surface level, right? It's, there's, there's, there's deep, deep, I believe, spiritual roots to it.

I know that if the enemy can grab a child at a tender age, the possibility that he can continue destroying that child is very, very, very high. Why? Because the processing of the child, the fortitude of the child, the armor the child has on, is not fully formed yet.

They barely don't even know how to say their name. Right? At 3 and 4 years old. So he knows that's the age and he gets lower and lower. Right?

In the, at the gala, there was an example of a seven week year, seven week old that was, had been sexually abused, right? And you think in your mind, what makes, what is it that could make that a person do that? It's not normal. Right. It's not normal.

So I know that it's definitely a spiritual aspect to it because it does not make sense. There is no pleasure that you can get from a seven week old. There is no, there is nothing. Right? So, you know, there is, there's something there.

And so because we're coming against that, I personally, and this is why I'm always in prayer, is that I personally know that there will be, there will be attacks on not just me, but the people that are involved in the work. And I've experienced it.

I've experienced like, like sometimes, you know, there'll be, especially if it's usually when I'm either about to go into a fundraiser or about to do something, you know, maybe we're about to launch into something else, it'll come on heavy. And I just stay in prayer. I stay in prayer. I try to go back to the hope, right, that I'm trying to provide. And that's really how I do it now.

I enjoy time with my family. Allows me to distress. My husband is an amazing man of God. That, that pours into me too.

And I also have, like I said, I don't also, I don't only have these board members, right. I also have a, a group of friends that are incredible, are incredible at lifting because sometimes you can't, you can't do it yourself.

So even people that you're partnering up with, not just professionally in the non profit space, but who are you having in your circle around you, who is pouring into you? There are times where you're going to be laid flat on the floor and you don't know what to do.

Are there people in your circle or in your space that can, like, even if they have to yank you up and say, ah, we're out, we're going up today, we're going out today, you know, do stuff like that and finding things that bring you joy, finding things that bring you joy, finding things that, you know, like I said, even if you're decluttering, that you can, you can kind of replenish with.

So if it is getting your massages, if it is listening to a sermon, if it is music, whatever it is that can, that fills your cup, spend time doing it at least, you know, once a week.

If you don't have time for anything else, spend time doing it because the things that you have to think about will weigh you down if you just keep packing it on.

That is, that is so actually, I think that's great advice regardless of starting a nonprofit or not. So thank you for sharing that. So I have one more question before we get to the lightning round, and I want to talk about the wins of Annadel Speaks.

Like, what are some of the big wins that you've had with Anadel Speaks? And do you know, it could be through the numbers of kids you've impacted, programs, whatever you want to talk about.

God has been faithful. I think the first win, honestly, our first gala, do you know, we had never put on anything before. And it really blew my mind. Not that we.

It was like this extraordinary amount of money that we made, but just in the way the organization of it took place. The people were thinking this was like our seventh, tenth go around. And it wasn't, you know, being able to have the sponsors that we had. This is.

We've never been on the scene before, or this was our very first. And we had all these sponsors and all these donors and all these people. That was truly a God for me. That was just a launch that. That launch was.

I went back home going, what. What just happened? So that was incredible for me. And I think the second you said to. There've been so many.

But the second one, I think was when we broke ground on the shelter.

When we had our first gala and we were looking at the numbers, what it would take to get this shelter up, the doubt in me decided to say, you know, we're just going to do the educational programs. You know, that seems like we have a. We have kind of like a hold on it. You know, we could do that. We can just keep doing it.

But the instruction that I kept getting was get that on the ground. And so I thank God that we were able to have consistent partners, consistent donors that just kept pouring in.

Like last year, we didn't have a fundraiser, right.

But we ended up being able to continue on with the shelter and its initiative because of the donors that were just believed in us, didn't want us to stop. I've had one of the women just say, hey, we just don't want you to stop. Whatever, it just don't stop. And it's.

There are people that are believing in the vision God has given you that he places around you to keep you going. And so that was a win for us just getting that groundbroken. Now we're putting a roof on the. On the. On the building.

And we have a second building that's right beside it that we're putting up. That, to me, is mind blowing. And you know how people say, you don't know the beginning, so you don't know why I'm praising this way, that's because.

Because of that. Because I never knew. I never in my wildest brain thought that this thing that I was writing down on a bed would be this thing.

Now I keep saying, we're. We're us. We're still a small nonprofit. They're big nonprofits. They're huge, incredible nonprofits doing amazing work internationally. And this.

This is just this. This little thing that God has given us to steward over. And he's Be. He's behind it. Whatever God is behind, he will.

He will somehow, some way, make a way for it. And so, yeah, that's. That's. Those are the way. There are more, but those are the big.

Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are more.

Yeah.

But I. I love what you shared, and I can. The humility and what you're even saying is just encouraging. So thank you.

Yeah, thank you.

I know you're saying small nonprofit, but I think it's a big thing to hear the call, to follow the call and sustain the call. Right. And so I applaud you for doing that because it's not easy doing that and juggling a family and businesses as well.

So on behalf of all the children, thank you, God.

Thank you.

All right, so we're going to get into the fun part, which I call the lightning round. And I always tell people it's the first thing that comes to mind to don't. Would think you just let it flow. And it's just questions. Let it flow.

Don't worry. You cannot fail. I promise. All right, so first question. Why are we already laughing?

Listen, did not sleep that I had last night. Please don't show yourself.

You've been doing great so far, so I think you're good. I. All right. Okay. So what is your personal mantra? Words that you live by?

There's so many. You know what? We'll just go with seize the opportunity. Seize the opportunity. We'll just. We'll just go with that one. There's so many.

But I will just say seize the opportunity.

Why seize the opportunity? I'm curious.

Because there's so many. I feel like there's so many things that we could step into if we're just aware that the time is now and the door has been opened.

Sometimes we just see, like, it's just. It's in our faces. Like, you. All you have to do is just do this one thing, but, you know, we're just so busy with everything else, but then that.

That moment of opportunity sometimes comes around, you know, it might not come again until the next year or year and a half, but just seize the opportunity.

Oh, that's good. That's a good one. To pluck out of the many. Thank you. That's a good one. All right. What matters the most to you?

I would say. Gosh, family. Bringing people together matters the most to me. Having people being able to be remembered by someone beyond the external. Right.

For someone to remember me for something that has somehow impacted them some way, change them some way, that matters to me. Like what. What aura do I leave you with when you meet me?

You know, and not saying everybody should like you, but just what are you bringing into a space? Like, what are you carrying into a space that's important to me? Yeah.

Oh, that's good. You're doing well. If you said lack of sleep. Okay, great. The greatest fear that you have, honestly.

To be honest, losing the people that I love. Like, even saying it now, losing the people that are near and dear to me.

You know how we're all at that age now, we're watching our parents for those whose parents are still here. And you. You see them, you're watching them, they're not able to do the things they didn't used to do.

And you're kind of thinking, okay, well, we're getting up there, so they're going to get up there and just that in a sense. And also just people who are losing. You know, just losing anyone. Abruptly walking out the door and not having you come back. I would say that.

All right, this is a good one. So if you could describe yourself as a Kadara woman in three words, what would they be?

I think one would be two words. I would say quiet. Strength. I would say fun. I would say. I would say goofy, or People don't see that, but I would say goofy.

And I would say highly motivated. Motivated.

So just for the record, you qualified your words.

You didn't. You didn't give specific.

Oh, no, it's okay. I'm gonna. I'm not. You know what I'm gonna ask at the end, if we have time. Watch school. What high school he went to?

Because there's a trend that I've picked up on from Lagos, Nigeria, specifically, and I hope it's not what I think it is, but we'll see. Which. Which high school did you go to?

I went to Atlantic Hall.

Okay, okay. Okay. Because there's another school, qc. Every time I have a QC girl on. To just add more flavor.

It was just one word for qualifying.

No, but they're all they're all great. I only. I'm only. I'm messing with you. Because I love it, though. I think. Think that's. That is the beauty of.

Of just how I love that question, because I think people get the chance to just describe themselves in the way they see themselves and how they show up as well. And I think that's the beauty of building this platform. So, yes, I know I'm giving you a hard time about using five words, but. But I love it as well.

All right, what is the last thing you learned? What are you learning now?

Right now, honestly, I'm. I'm learning. I'm reading a lot and learning about how to really steward finances. Like, steward.

Put things in the places that will cause it to grow, steward over it. I'm trying to build my giving capacity, too.

So not just stewarding financially so I can grow for myself, but I really want to be a big giver, you know, and so I want to grow to. I'm like, lord, help me be that. Help me do that. So being able to grow, wealth management and all of that stuff, that's what I'm kind of.

I like that, though. That's a deal. I like it. Do you have a favorite book or quote that has influenced who you are today?

I recently read the. The title is called the Bait of Satan. I had never read it before, but it's really just. It's a book that dives into the. The spirit of offense. Right.

And how sometimes being offended or thinking that you're offended can stop you from actually reaching the destiny calling. Right. And so, you know, it just dives into so many things from. Are you really. Did they really offend you?

Or is it something that you've pulled from your past that has engaged this situation? And then that person that you're offended by could be really.

You're the person that takes you to the next phase of the life that God wants you to live. So it's just. It's changing my whole. You know, just in the way.

Even the way you take conversations, what you get out of conversations, the way you handle interactions. Yeah. So it's. It's an impactful book.

Wow. Okay. I think you should not sleep as much.

I'm really passionate about that book, so.

No, that's a good one. We're going to include the title in the show notes. Okay.

So if you could go back in time and talk to your younger self, what would you tell her maybe 20 years ago?

You know, I would say. I would say it's okay. You can take the step. Don't be afraid. That's what I would say. It's okay. You are seen. You are seen.

You can take the next step is what I would say.

All right, so another. We have two more. And this one is. What do you consider your greatest achievement to date?

My greatest. Oh, my greatest achievement. My gosh, honestly, is it just one thing? No, because I guess it all ties into just being able to walk in my calling there.

There's a lot of people that don't even know what their calling is, you know, but just being able to know what it is and actually be doing it. Right. I think that's my. That's my biggest. Okay. You know. Yeah.

Well, in that case, I mean, I think it's a perfect segue into the last question, which is what would you say about destiny and pursuing your own purpose?

Destiny and pursuing your own purpose? What I would say is I. I know that before we wear God, you know, I'm gonna bring faith into it. Before you were here, right?

There is a need that God placed you on this earth for, right? There is a, that's what, it's a calling. He's calling you to do something. He actually had that calling, right.

He knew what it was and then he planted you in your mother's womb. Okay. So that pursuit of it is not so far fetched if you're really in tune with who you are, right. And there's a shape that we are given.

All of us, we are shaped all differently. We're all uniquely shaped. Whether it's. We're physically uniquely shaped, but we're also the way we process our mentality, all of that stuff.

But if we pay attention to what we're most moved by, right? There's. There's something within.

Even if you're not a believer, there's going to be something, right, that is in you, that is going to be that constant talk, right? And pay attention to that because that might be where he called you to be all along, right? And I understand that there's a lot of.

There's a lot of people that maybe may know their destiny, they may know their calling, but they just. The capacity to walk that way is not there. That's okay. So there's that preparatory phase anyways.

God is going to build you first before he builds on you. So he's going to make you that person first, right. Before sending you your way.

So all these different experiences, the work, you know, you know, some listen when I. There's so many jobs that I've had back, you know, all that stuff.

All that stuff is building you and building you and building you until he's like, okay, now there's that window. Okay. You know, you want that the character to be built first.

So I think a lot about the biggest thing about destiny is having the character to sustain where you're going, right? So it's not so much getting there, it's like the processing, like what is all being attached to you?

What do you need to get off and what do you need to hold on to? Building, building yourself up, right? So that that thing can be built on you so you be able to carry it.

Wow. That is a perfect way to wrap this conversation up.

I just want to say thank you, Nnenna, because I think this is so good and I appreciate you just sharing. Again, this was not an easy topic to talk about, but the fact that it led you to your calling or one of your callings.

I always say people have multiple call ins. Sometimes it's a big major one, sometimes it could be small things that aggregate into this big part of why you are here.

But I just want to say thank you for just stepping into that calling and having the strength. So. And thank you for sharing as well.

This is not a topic that I think we talk about culturally a lot and so to step out into that in itself is courageous. And a special shout out to one of our listeners, Funto, for putting your name and yeah, Funto suggested you when we're looking for.

Yeah, she suggested you when we're looking for non profits to feature for this podcast. And so I just want to say a special shout out to Funto. We'll see if she listens to the end. And that concludes our powerful conversation with Dr.

Nnenna Onosade. I am so grateful she shared her incredible journey and meaningful work of Anadel Speaks foundation with our community.

Isn't it amazing how our deepest wounds can sometimes lead to our greatest purpose? Dr.

Nnenna took her experiences that could have broken her and instead transformed them into a mission that's protecting children and changing lives across Africa and other continents.

If you felt touched by Anadel Speaks Foundation's mission today, please be sure to check our show notes for ways to learn more or to support their work. And remember, whether your calling is clear as day or still unfolding, approach it with excellence, patience and heart that Dr.

Nnenna just demonstrated throughout our conversation. One more thing.

Be sure to tune in on Friday for my personal monologue where I'll be sharing reflections from my own journey of building Kadara media and connecting with remarkable women like Dr. Nnenna.

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