After a difficult bout with covid last year, Tania had to rebuild her physical strength from the ground up (even walking around the block was difficult). But she ALSO had the wisdom to re-evaluate and build her mental and spiritual health up to truly take the best care of herself possible.

Her journey is inspiring, and the ins and outs of how she became so diligent and dedicated to the most important person in her life (herself!) have some amazing takeaways for anyone listening.

She shares how she shifted her perspective when she was at her lowest, how she organized herself to find her purpose, and how she listened to her body and her intuition to help find alignment within herself.

Tune in to feel empowered and to become your biggest cheerleader.

Even if you don't really want to do it, you just show up. You might show up, happy, tired, frustrated, or with a lot of energy, but you just show up. Because it's about you, it's about your body. You know it's going to be good for you. And that makes you feel much better, much stronger, so then you feel ready to tackle the hardest part: what's in your mind, what's in your heart.— Tania Sibiglia

Tania and I also chat about:

• What it’s like to search for your purpose or discover that your purpose is changing
• Rediscovering yourself around your Saturn return
• Paying attention to your mind and spirit, even if your main focus is working on your physical health
• Enjoying the process and not the destination (even if it sounds cheesy)
• How to work with and understanding challenging emotions, even if it’s weeks later (she even shares her system!)
• What it’s like to have a Capricorn moon
• How astrology can trigger reflection and gives you more questions than answers (in the best way)
• How astrology is just a tool, we are the ones making decisions for ourselves

Where to find Tania:

Instagram @tnabcn

LinkedIn

Tania’s most recent article about finding your purpose on Medium

Find the transcript of this episode here.

Find the transcripts and show notes for all episodes here.

THINGS WE MENTIONED

• Tania’s Birth Chart
• Tania’s Weekly Review Template

Hi, everyone.

Welcome to today's episode.

I have interviewed my friend, Tanya Sabilia.

She has so much wisdom to share.

I was personally motivated by her wisdom after some serious setbacks.

After having COVID she rebuilt her physical strength from zero, and then

she was wise enough to also undertake her mental and spiritual health.

Even as I was editing this podcast, every time I would pull out one of

Tanya's nuggets and I always have her in the back of my mind as I

continue my new exercise routine.

Sometimes when I feel like I don't want to go to the gym because her

perspective shift is everything.

Also.

I had no idea, but even though she's relatively new to astrology,

she should basically be the new PR person for astrology.

I can't wait for you to hear why we had so much fun.

I am excited for you to hear her story.

And here we go.

Hi, Tania.

Hi.

Welcome to It's Astrological.

Thank you for joining me and being one of my first guests on the podcast.

Thank you for having me.

I'm really excited to be here.

I am just so excited to talk to you because.

We're former work friends.

And I love that so many of my friendships have come from a

previous place of employment.

I'm such close friends with so many of the people that I met there.

And I'm just so happy that you are one of them.

Oh, that's really sweet.

Thank you.

it's true.

let's start with the basics.

Let everyone get to know you a little bit.

Where in the world are you and tell me a little bit about your cultural

background, your upbringing, how you got to be, where you are today.

Sure.

So probably from my accent people would see that I am Italian, but I'm

actually living in Barcelona in Spain.

I have been here for about eight years almost.

But before that I'd been traveling around europe.

So I left Italy when I was 24, 25, and I've been living a bit in the

north, in Europe, in the netherlands.

And then I moved down to switzerland and that's when I started

rolling down and arrive in Spain.

Just by mistake really was more of a joke.

Hey, Barcelona, it looks nice.

How cool would it be to live there?

And it turns out I applied for a job and here I am today.

And I'm still here.

I'm loving it and enjoying it.

What else to say?

I'm just a human being, looking for purpose in life.

I started a journey a couple of years ago, working more on

myself, taking care of myself.

And linking, this a bit with you to, what's my sign?

Why I'm doing things like this?

Why I feel this way?

I'm sure we're going to touch upon this, later on during the podcast.

But really, I'm just, trying to make sense of why I'm here on Earth,

and what I'm good at and how I can contribute to the rest of the world.

And I'm still figuring it out, but it's becoming really exciting.

And especially this year since it's going to be an important year for me.

We'll see later why, and I think that's pretty much it.

WOW!

That was powerful!

Thank you.

No, thank you.

Thank you for sharing all of that.

One of the reasons why I wanted to start this podcast was to just talk to my

friends, and soon to be friends about, astrology, but bringing people from all

over and, all different backgrounds, and who speak different languages

and live all across the world, and just see what people have in common.

And I think what everyone has in common is that they either have been searching

for their purpose or they are searching for their purpose, or maybe they're

finding that their purpose is changing as they grow and enter new phases of life.

And I think that's one of the things that is most interesting to me because

it's been about a year and a half since we've started talking about

these things and it was kind of on the side, you know, we'd like to talk

about work, and then I'd be like, oh, you know, I do astrology and you'd be

like, oh, tell me more about this thing.

And now we've shifted to the point where we probably talk more about astrology

and life purpose more than work.

yay.

That's the best,

but I think.

your journey is so interesting and the way that you have had such resilience

and diligence, honestly, in terms of your structure, around finding your life

purpose, and figuring out what works for you and what doesn't, and really

tying that to your physical health, your mental health and your spiritual health.

I know I'm just rambling right now, but tying it into those three things, I

would love for you to talk a little bit more about what that brings up for you.

Just in the moment.

Yeah.

I think I will start, a bit sharing and I guess how everything started, what

triggered the need to look for purpose and the need to take serious care of myself.

before even the COVID started, I was not feeling aligned.

I Don't know if you ever have meditated, but when you close your eyes, you

should feel like you're sitting still.

And for me, what would happen is that I will feel I was lingering

to one side or the other.

So I couldn't feel like there was a straight line inside myself.

and this was a constant feeling that I was having whether I was meditating,

when I was working, when I was outside, when I was doing other things, and

it was like that deep inside of me, I knew something was not right.

Something was not aligned.

Something was not where it should be.

So then I started a journey of, self-discovery or

self rediscovery perhaps.

I am almost 37.

so definitely I had an idea a couple of years ago of the person that I thought I

was, or I should have been, so it was a self rediscovering in terms of who I am.

What am I doing here?

Am I enjoying what I'm doing?

And why I'm not feeling great?

Then COVID happened.

We took a lot of pauses and breaks and we had time to reflect more on what

we were doing even on a daily basis.

What are other habits?

What are the things that we couldn't do maybe back then because of the

restrictions or the quarantine that were working and what we stopped doing?

Maybe because we were just forced to and was actually a good thing.

For me, things changed rapidly as well as I got sick.

so I was sick with covid for a few months.

Actually.

I had some long-term symptoms that really didn't want to go away.

I'm definitely better now, but it was definitely a enlightening moment.

One of the things that I've always been good at, at least since I moved

to Barcelona I have to admit, this town has some magic power to pressure,

uh, you know, to do some physical exercise, but that's something I was

really good at So all of a sudden, when I was counting on my body as a strong

body that could take me places, was all of a sudden, not there anymore.

So I had to restart from zero and it was definitely a turning point where apart

from rebuilding some habits also have to take a lot of patience with myself.

it, it takes time to recover from such a disease like COVID for sure it might

be the same for many other problems or illness, it really depends case to

case, but the thing is that you need to be patient and realize that you cannot

just go back to do what you used to do.

I remember even just walking around the block was such a big struggle for me.

So that's how I restarted, taking care of myself, really taking

small steps, To really go back.

And with that I kind of develop also many other, skills in terms of, okay,

I am taking care of my body, but at the same time, what is my mind telling me?

What is my heart telling me?

So to go back to that level of spirituality, you can take care of

your body, but if you're not good in inside your mind, if you don't feel

something good inside your heart, you can run as much as you want, but

you're not going to change anything.

Right?

so it kind of like bring together these two dimensions, at least

at the beginning, taking care of your body as well as your mind.

So you're forcing your body to maybe do more steps in a day, but at the same time,

you're training your mind to be patient.

You're training your mind not to think so much about the outcome,

but to think about the process.

Right.

and it might sounds a bit cheesy, but these things were like, you have to

enjoy the process to make progress.

It's actually really true.

If you become a, just addicted to the outcome, it can be very frustrating and in

the end, you're not really enjoying it, or you're not being happy for life, really.

So this is the bit that, forced me out, of my comfort zone for sure.

I'm really happy that happened that way.

and now I can see why it had to happen that way as well.

I sometimes try to hide, I keep things from myself, and, it

definitely, had to be pushed.

But then when it happened, it was definitely one of the best thing.

And then with that, I built, step-by-step into it.

I put the basis down.

And then of course, once you start, there are so many things that you

can really discover about yourself.

And once you have the physical part, controlled, let's say, then you can focus

more on your mind, on your heart, on a spiritual level and build from there.

So that taking care part of the physical part for me was really I put in basis and

having this structure that you mention.

Because it becomes then a routine.

you can go running, you can go walking, you go to the gym, you can go swimming.

And I started boxing recently well, last year.

but it's like really becomes like the thing that you do.

And then of course it becomes also discipline, right?

For yourself.

Even if you don't really want to do it, you just show up.

You might show up, happy, tired, frustrated, or just, with a lot of

energy, but you just show up, Because it's about you, it's about your body,

you know, it's going to be good for you.

And that makes you feel of course, much better, much stronger.

So then you feel ready to tackle the hardest part: what's in

your mind, what's in your heart.

Which sometimes can take more time, definitely much more self-awareness

than you probably think you have.

and, yeah, and patience.

I keep thinking about this word, probably I said it already a thousand

times, but I think that's maybe the key.

Not putting yourself under pressure when it's not necessary is something that, I

think I'm still trying to learn a bit.

High level with high expectation high standards.

I think I really like jump from enjoying the moment, enjoying every

little accomplishment that you do, but then really striving for more.

But I think you really need to be balanced right in the middle so that you do not

frustrate yourself for no reason really.

so yeah, this is a bit, uh, I guess a part that's, it's been very

important, throughout my journey.

The thing about growth is everyone wants to grow.

Everyone's like, yeah, I'm going to grow and be better and

stronger and all of those things.

But when you think about the plants that are now coming up out of

the ground here in the Northern hemisphere, growth is not easy.

that is hard work.

And like those little plants, they have to number one, just put all

their effort into poking their little heads out of the ground.

And, then it's like, am I going to get stepped on?

Is the dog going to pee on me?

Is something going to eat me?

you know, there's all of these things where you have to have exactly

what you're talking about, the persistence and the determination.

And for you, this is something that I know I struggle with is, I won't even say

the discipline, but the habit stacking, the routine where you do feel like, to

your point, you're like you just show up, but you're showing up for yourself.

You're showing up for that future version of you, that version of you,

that you want to grow into again.

Right.

It's not easy.

You have to put in the work every single day.

so could you talk about a time when you felt that turning point?

Where were you able to say, okay, I really don't want to do this thing today,

but I'm going to show up for myself.

and when you cross that threshold to it becoming the new version of you?

Yeah, so it happens so many times.

it happens constantly because you can be very disciplined, but

there's always going to come one day where you don't want to do it.

And then you just show up for yourself.

And then you're going well for a few weeks, or maybe just for a few days or

for a few months, and then one other bad day hits you and you're just there, you're

like, okay, I need to show up for myself.

It happened for physical exercise.

I think that's the one most people can relate to.

Oh I don't really want to go to the gym, you know, that kind of feeling, but then

you know that you want to go, right?

You don't think that's also another trick.

Like I don't say to myself that I have to do something, I just

tell myself that I want to do it.

and this is like, I dunno, it's kind of changes, right?

The narrative a little, in a very powerful way, I think.

Yeah i've Yeah, I've heard I get to do it

it Like I have the privilege of having a body that can take me there

yeah.

things.

and this word privilege is something that I've been

remind myself a lot, especially after having had COVID, right?

this thing of I don't want to maybe go running, but then I think, wait a

minute, when I have cOVID I couldn't even walk and I was dying to go for

a run especially here in Barcelona.

I go around by the beach.

I can see the sunrise there.

And in a heartbeat, this was taken from me So now I can do it.

So that's why I say I want to do it right.

I get to do it again.

So I remind myself this privilege this, I don't know.

I don't like saying that I'm lucky, but in the sense, like I have the opportunities,

so it would be a waste, if I can say it that way, a waste to not to do it.

it also happens at different levels In terms of, thinking what's happening

with you noticing some emotions and feelings, what is happening around

you and then choosing to show up for yourself in the sense of, realizing

what's happening, what is triggering you?

What is the situation and working through that, The best way out is through.

So kind of accepting and understanding the feeling and let the feeling be knowing

that it's just a passenger with you for that moment, for that day, for that week.

But that you're not that feeling.

And what I explain now, and just ten second, and then something that took

me months to, you know, to learn, to understand and then, accept and manage.

What I can say is that every time these things happen and of course I reminded

myself, okay, I'm going to show up because I want to, because it's me,

I'm going to handle the situation, is definitely a result of our previous work.

And doing the work I've done I make myself accountable, but also I ask for help.

I think many people think that they want to be better, but they

don't think they can ask for help.

but you can, and you should, you don't have to do this alone.

And for me, that was a turning point.

Knowing that, yes, I need to do all these things, but I

have no clue how to start it.

And I was like, wait a minute.

I can ask somebody to help me.

so for me, it was either the therapist, a gym coach, is there other friends,

you know, you can really choose who you want to ask for help, whether

it's a more professional help or just somebody in your circle.

But that makes you feel less alone.

and that makes it feels less scary.

And then of course, if it's a professional help, you're going to

have all the resources, tools, and support that you might need it for as

long as you, as you want to as well.

So that for me was a turning point.

I think growing up, I always have felt that I have to have everything, together.

I have to have my things in order.

I need to know what to do next.

if I look back all my childhood, up to really university, I knew

what I was going to do next.

When you grew up, of course you have school, you have high school

and then you go to university.

So definitely the first, what 18, 19 years of your, life are really

linked to the education part.

And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, now what?

so then finding myself 10 years later, struggling with this things.

Really forced me to take a break and say, okay, now what do I do?

How do I do it this right?

Because maybe, you know what you want to do but it's the, how

that is kind of scary sometime.

and there are so many different paths and, you just

mentioned 10 years after graduation.

That's usually around people's Saturn return and 29 to 30, you're like,

okay, I'm now officially a grownup.

Like this is my transition into maturity and responsibility and the next kind

of stage in my life and who I want to be which is why so many people often

struggle with their Saturn returns.

One, because maybe they haven't been doing the work up until

that point to be responsible and accountable for themselves.

So Saturn is going to come in and be like, excuse me, like, you need to do

this in order to move on to the next step.

But because it's a threshold of a new life stage, the second third of, you know,

third, we live longer now, but the second part of someone's life, there's really a

yearning to figure out what am I doing?

what do I want to do?

Is what I've been doing for the past 10 or so years aligned, to

your point, with who I want to be?

And what my calling is in this life?

So I guess since I've already started talking about astrology, but why

don't we make a quick transition over to talk about your basics.

And then we can dive a little bit more into your chart.

So Tania, since It's Astrological, do you know your sun, moon and rising?

Yes I do.

My sun is in cancer and my moon is in Capricorn.

and your rising sign?

ah, it's virgo.

Virgo.

I am also a Virgo rising.

I think that's part of the reason why we like each other so much.

We resonate on the same frequency.

People think we're very organized and detail oriented, but I believe that

your Virgo rising is so strong for you in what we were just talking about.

Virgo represents our daily habits and our routines and our wellness.

So I think that really, astrologically speaking, gave you a leg up to be

able to build those foundations and to just stick with it.

That daily, like I'm going to go to the gym, I'm going to

walk a little bit further today.

I'm going to, have my therapy and I'm going to, you know, like all of those

daily habits that you've built in.

I remember talking to you, I think it was on a Friday at work or something.

and you were like, oh, I always clean on Fridays, that way I don't

have to do it like on the weekend.

And I just remember, And then another time you were like, oh, I've been journaling

at the end of every week I journal like all the things that I've learned.

and I don't like, you can correct me because you're

probably still doing it because

Yeah.

you are so diligent and dedicated, but those two things.

I was like, wow.

I want to be more like Tania.

So clean Thursday yeah,

you're

on Thursday because Friday's already weekend and you don't want

to stay home on a Friday night, but apart from that, you got it correctly.

that's actually something I still do and I still do it even more diligently

since the start of this year.

I created this chart with a few questions for myself, as

in what did I learn this week?

what did I accomplish this week?

And how did I feel this week?

And every week on Sunday, usually I have my routine, I light up a

candle, I meditate and then I look back, but I also then look forward.

and I kind of look through the week.

Some weeks are, there is nothing major other weeks it feels

like a lot more has happened.

I guess it's more than to look back right after a month after

two months after three months.

The first quarter of the year was pretty quick and seeing how many things you

actually have done, how many times you feel you accomplished something.

And by this, I don't mean that, I dunno, I hike up a mountain or big things.

It could be just like a very small thing that you have been postponing,

for a long time, but then you actually.

Did it right?

it could be cleaning your apartment going for a long walk or going for

the first run of the year or something like, That Or even just calling somebody

that you haven't talked to for a while.

It can be really be anything.

but this habit helped me, also to really enjoy the little things,

you know, the small things in life that makes, you happy really.

And then of course keep track on the longterm of what is important and what

is it that you want to accomplish.

At the beginning of the year, for me, it was just like, I want to feel better.

I want to get more confident.

So then even just tracking how I was feeling every week and when I was

feeling confident, even noticing this accomplishment or this improvement

really helped to build momentum.

So then you feel better.

You really feel that you have got where you wanted.

Then always, you can always do better.

that's for sure.

You always can be a better version of yourself.

It's a never ending journey, I think.

But it helps to keep motivated, keep on track, And, even just noticing, right

to go back, this is what I said before about sometimes we feel so many things.

There are so many emotions and maybe you feel overwhelmed, but just to kind

of understand, okay, they are there.

You cannot push them away.

You shouldn't push them away.

Even if they are bad feelings or things that you perceive as

bad, they just, they're just there to help you see something.

I feel so wise saying these things, but I think that it really helps to detect.

Maybe you're not ready.

That's also why I, track everything or I don't like saying tracking,

but like i, I record stuff.

I write how I feel, because maybe in that moment I am feeling something very

strongly and I'm just not ready in that particular moment to face it or to go

deep, but I write down what happened.

I write down how I feel or what I've done.

And then a week later, two weeks later I can go back and say, okay,

two weeks ago, this, happened.

Maybe it's time, you know, Tania to think about this.

it's actually proven that you can talk to yourself out loud and it works.

So, if you never try it, you should definitely do it.

but yeah, it's allowing yourself to find a time not being hard.

it's already difficult to manage certain emotions, and definitely

rushing yourself to do it.

it's not a good thing.

Avoiding as well, you know, you need find the right balance, like,

okay, you don't want to do it now.

It's fine, but let's not postpone into next year because otherwise, you

really missed, then the momentum of it.

Yeah.

And I'm laughing to myself because I have your chart up.

I'll share it with you in a second.

but between your Capricorn moon and your Virgo rising.

Like everything that you're saying is like, ding, ding, ding, because

you're talking about tracking things over time and taking really,

maybe more of a practical approach to emotions, if that makes sense.

Capricorn and Virgo are both earth signs, so they have that

grounded, practical, energy to it.

And then you've been talking so much about using this information to see what

you've achieved every week and Capricorn likes to achieve things and likes to see

how they're climbing up the mountain.

And so once again, I find myself being like, oh, I want to be more like

Tania and all of these things every week and be so diligent about them.

but I think it's just, it's a really beautiful expression of both of those,

the Virgo rising and the Capricorn moon, because you're working so, so

well with those energies and you're allowing them to help you You're leaning

into the energy to be your best self.

Like you're putting in the work and you're using those as leverage to support you and

support your health and all of that stuff.

So

there is a good thing there that you just said, allowing the energy.

And I think that's something I struggled a lot.

Especially in the past, maybe when I was younger, but I don't know, maybe

even just a couple of years ago that it was not so young anymore, but, there

is this thing when you feel a lot of things, many emotion, many feelings,

and sometimes you create for some reason an opinion that they should not be

there, that you should not be feeling in a certain way in certain situations.

And for me it has been a struggle sometimes to just allow them and

really understanding that what I am feeling is not who I am.

It's just something that needs to be expressed and I just have to let it

be, and then of course, understand why it is expressing that way.

So I think that they're allowing the energy whether they're feeling, that

they're coming to knock on your door?

it's an important part.

And now that I look back, I think that I have become more and more aware

of the different energies that are around me since I met you, in a way.

Because the since I met you is that when I started really like, ah, astrology,

there are some energy here, what are the planets doing in my chart?

and why I'm feeling this way.

and I think that's the important part of my journey, how to link what is

happening with, my natal chart apart my sun and moon, also where the planets at?

And, I know we had the conversation about my chart a few months ago and,

definitely that rings a bell in terms of, which energies are coming up, for you.

Yeah.

I want to dig into that in just a minute, but something that you said

really resonated with me, about the feelings and maybe not wanting to deal

with them or feeling like you shouldn't be feeling them or any of those things.

And your Capricorn moon, for anyone who has a moon in Capricorn, that can

sometimes be a challenging placement because the moon is all about your

feelings and your emotional landscape and your instinctive responses.

Like how do you respond to something before your brain gets in the way?

and Capricorn is, not like those things at all, capricorn is like, what do I need

to get me to the top of the mountain?

what do I need to, achieve what I need to achieve and, be

practical and all of those things.

So there's oftentimes there can be a misalignment there.

And what I really love is that you've done the work, right?

Cause everyone has placements that can be challenging or that maybe they aren't

optimizing the effects of the energy.

And what you've done is you have understood that, understanding

your feelings and allowing them to happen, and, even again with the

diligence, writing it down two weeks before and then coming back to it.

But ultimately, that does help you in the long term, right?

Because you're processing and you're moving through stuff and

you're not just shoving it down.

Capricorn is also ruled by Saturn, which is the planet of " should-ing" ourselves.

So when we're saying I should do this, or I shouldn't do this, that's

very, Capricornian Saturnian energy.

So when you were talking about I should, or I shouldn't feel

these things or should, or should not deal with these feelings.

Again, like you've done a really beautiful job of turning

that initial reaction, right?

your moon into a way that serves you in the longterm, in terms

of achieving your own wellness.

Yeah, yeah, it hasn't been easy.

And I, think that's also something that comes with different tries, right?

In terms of finding the right way to handle with yourself.

There is no magic trick and you might be that you find a way and it, works in

easily, or you might have to go through, I don't know, 10, 20 different approaches.

And then you finally find something that works.

It takes time.

And with this, we go back to patience, right?

I've mentioned that a lot at the beginning, but that's also another part

where you really need to be patient with yourself and don't get frustrated.

I've been talking with many friends that were going through the same, and

I think this was really something that we kept telling each other, but also

trying to keep telling ourselves, in terms of not assuming it's going to

take you, you know, a certain amount of time to figure something out.

It might be that it's going to be fast, it's going to be slower, but

there is no fast and slow, it's just going to be your own time.

so do not create certain expectation just because somebody else has done it faster

than you doesn't mean that you are late.

Or if you're doing faster somebody else it doesn't really mean anything.

I think in that sense, finding your own ways, what is it actually important.

so you should not think that you want it to be more Tania, you

should find your own way, you know.

I know, you know, more wise words from Tania.

I say that because I do want to be more diligent but to your

point, that's not my timing.

So, you know, I have this part of me that wants to collect the data and,

observe my trends over time and my moods and how I'm feeling and how it

aligns with astrological transits.

And I want to do that every single day so that I can look back on it in time.

And I do that in my own ways.

But I like your ways,

Okay.

Well, thank you

It's something I've always struggled with is daily

routine and it's not for me.

And I'm, I still have not, accepted that.

So that's okay too, because that's on my own time.

Right.

I'm going through my own process of figuring out why I go through

these spurts of being really good at it and then dropping things.

So this is not about me though.

Tania, you, mentioned earlier that I did a reading for you a couple of months ago.

And in our pre-interview you were like, oh, the things you told me about were

coming So let's talk a little bit about your astrological background and, was

there a specific turning point when you realized that astrology was something

that you were interested in or that it worked, or you had an aha moment with

something in your chart or with a transit?

Whew.

so many moments.

I think I just mentioned that, my relation, if I say, I can say it this

way with astrology started with you in a way, I think everybody, when it's

boring, it's like, oh, what's my sign.

But if you don't really have a strong, maybe interests like you

do or passion, maybe you just see or hear things here and now.

When we met, and then you told me, I like astrology and you were pulling

sometimes cards during meetings.

So maybe I shouldn't say that, that's when I started, that's when I started,

Everyone, I pull cards during all my meetings.

She does, I shouldn't have said that.

so I think that's where you kind of plant a seed.

and the curiosity kicks in every time there is something that I

feel, or like some major event or it's just a curiosity, like, oh, I

wonder how my chart looks like now.

And then little by little, I think you were just sharing

some notion here and there.

Then I was much more aware of, different energies or, much were aware of

myself, how I react to certain things.

I really enjoy the moon.

So I really follow the moon cycle when there is a full moon I do

my own routine, I light a candle.

I like the moon and I actually found out that when I was born

it was a full moon on that day.

So I, don't know.

I, I read into this a strong connection with the moon as well.

So.

After, what was it like couple of months ago?

I think, that's when, I mean, one of the biggest aha moment that I had was

when I was actually talking with you about it and we were looking at my

own natal chart and I was telling you like, oh my God, Lynnette, I had this

like day, when everything exploded.

And you were like, oh, let me tell me which day it is.

Let's look at your chart And if I don't remember it wrong,

and now you can correct me.

It was, a day where my north and south node were really perpendicular

to the moon or something like that.

and you were saying, oh my God, of course you felt this so much.

It's because a position of, everything in your chart, was

really lighting up, for you.

And so at that moment, it was like, okay, so.

There is something here to learn, you know, like not just what

happened but also, like maybe can help to see what is coming up.

and that's when we had the conversation about, how my natal chart was looking at

that point, but also how all the planets were going to move and all of them were

going to pass by one of my quadrants and touching upon my ninth house ,which

is the house I know now the most, of all the others, and, that's where I

was really feeling then the connection.

In that sense, it was also another a-ha moment because the

ninth house is the house of how you say it to your own calling.

Right.

um, help me out here, like, um,

your ninth house is your like worldview, your philosophy.

It's like expanding for

Yeah.

everything.

It's the house of expansion.

I was really then linked to what I was also looking for.

Looking for new opportunities how to express, how to work.

maybe making those changes that link to your purpose, or even just

trying new things, Also like taking away this impression, that whatever

you do next is going to be the big thing, or, the right thing.

But just trying to move forward.

so that was another, a-ha moment, and I'm sure I'm going to have many other a-ha

moments now, you know, rethinking about

I guarantee it.

all the planets that are passing by and knocking on my doors there.

Yeah.

Let me pull up your chart really quickly.

see it.

There you are.

There I am.

I specifically remember just talking about this parade of planets that you're

going to have coming across your ninth house, like you were talking about.

Yeah.

To your point, you've gotten to know your ninth house very

well, and you've probably started to really get to know your north node

and Venus and your Midheaven because those are all in your ninth house.

And for everyone listening, I will have Tania's chart in the

show notes so you can see, but all of these planets are in Taurus.

So what we talked about was how over the next few months, there's

literally heaps of planets, just moving over those points in Tania's chart.

And Tania, how do you think having that information ahead of time has helped you?

I think you are maybe developing more awareness, depending on how what

your habits are, what you do on a daily basis, you might be more of on autopilot,

more than other time of your life, So I think knowing all this things,

it's kind of like help you to be more in the moment and catching different

things that happen in, noticing.

I'm not gonna say writing down every single feelings in your chart,

but, it's definitely like this things of noticing more, And that's

where everything starts really.

You start noticing, and then what is happening, you don't necessarily

mean you have to act on it.

You can just take the time if you need to, or maybe something that

is going to be really clear for you but definitely noticing this,

having this information kind of help prepare you in a way, and accept that

something's going to change as well.

I think when we were looking at this, my first reaction was

like, oh my God, so many things.

Like, I didn't feel scared, but I think this is overwhelming, like

all this, like in the next month or something, uh, actually not even a

month, because the thing is like in about, what, 10 days a week or something

they're going to go all around.

So it was like, okay, that can be pretty intense.

So even just knowing about it, gave me the time to prepare that maybe a

big change or big things are coming.

but also like to manage expectation.

It doesn't necessarily mean that because the planets are going in

five days all around my, ninth house.

That by the end of it, I need to have certain information or have

made some decision, et cetera.

On the other side, what was interesting is that all the things that we'll

discuss, even like earlier dates about, I don't know, Mercury talking

to Venus or, you know, all this things.

it was nice because it kind of

You sound like an astrologer Tania

know, right I don't, you are the expert here, but all the things that you

told me that looking back, also like coincide with different moments, like

specific interviews or meeting new people.

Because then also it brings in also their relation that you have with other

people, and I still remember how you mentioned, the people that I was going

to meet were also going to be important for my ninth house, but also in terms

of understanding, how do people see me?

what they reflect to me about me, which is also like a very interesting

and, important aspect of all of this.

so, I think knowing, looking at this is definitely Triggers a lot of reflection.

I know that some people are skeptical, others aren't, but I just think that

the kind of gives you some tools or some hints about certain aspects of your life.

And it's just like a trigger then for reflection.

I think what is important to remember is that, okay, this is your chart,

but you are still in charge, right?

I am the person who is making decision.

It's not that because venus is talking to mercury or whatever, that's

something is going to happen for sure.

I think that they just light up on certain things in your life, that

maybe you don't want to see, maybe you are not aware, maybe you have

avoiding, but that then come in and say, no, now it's time to deal with it.

if you'd been postponing it, then you're kind of forced maybe into that.

and whether you believe it or not, it's still happening.

So

You should be the spokesperson for astrology you know, astrology

at its essence does three things.

it explains who you are and why you are that way.

Whether or not you are that person today, or you're going to be that

person in 20 years because our chart is with us our whole life, you could

drill down separately into that.

It tells you what planetary energies are going to happen in the future and what

planetary energies happened in the past.

So what you were just talking about in terms of having a heads up so that you

can be aware that, a part of your chart is going to light up is really important.

But I think the other part that I personally probably use more in

astrology is the validation of things that have happened in the past.

And the more that you look back on.

Certain transits or aspects and align them to different times in your life, the

more that actually helps with the future, because you're like, oh, here's a time

when Venus and mercury were talking and I felt like this, or I met this kind of

person, or this is what was going on.

Then the next time you see Venus and mercury coming around in your chart,

it'll be a different energy because it'll probably be a different angle,

but you have an idea of what those two planets mean to you and how

they express their energy for you.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense and definitely it's easier to go retrograde.

Right?

Look in the past and see what has happened in link it back.

For the future, of course, the it's important not to

create big expectation, right?

It's not because there is like, Big planet passing by the something super

important, super big is happening.

It could be very just a small thing, but as long as it's important

for you, it's what matters.

You can learn a lot from that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that

you're gonna hear or feel the energy on the biggest moment of your life.

It can be just like a small change, but it's going to be

important in the long run.

So not to create too big expectation of what we think is coming, is

definitely something super important.

And it's something that I have been working and I guess in theory, rising

a lot, especially after the reading I had with you, Looking at my chart

or what has happened in at the end of April, beginning of may, you know,

not to create a false expectation.

Definitely something is moving.

I know that even if I didn't know what my chart looked like, I definitely feel it.

I guess, linking with the chart it's also what makes it fun.

It's definitely interesting knowing how you're natal chart look like I

mean, of course, like, all your Cancer or your Virgo, whatever

it's also is going to be about.

Oh, that's interesting.

Like, I felt this way on how things are link and it's gonna kind of push also

this asking yourself maybe some questions that you haven't asked yourself yet.

So more than giving an answer, sometimes I think he just gives you right

questions and then to figure it out

Yeah, a good astrologer will never give you answers.

They'll just give you more and more questions, because you're the one who has

to deal with your moon in Capricorn, where you feel like you shouldn't be dealing

with emotions or whatever it might be.

But what that astrologer can do is explain to you why, and that can be so

validating because it may be something that you've bumped up against for most

of your life where you're like, ugh, why can't I just be like Tania and

write down all my things every day.

but then, you then understand that that's not who you're meant to be like

you're meant to be whoever you are.

So I know you're kind of new to astrology and your chart and all of that stuff.

is there anything that you're still skeptical about

when it comes to astrology?

Maybe skeptical is not the right thing.

I guess it's more this feeling of, learning what's happening, learning what,

the houses mean and these things, but then always remembering that whatever

it is that is there that is written, It's something that you can change.

so I think that when you talk to many people, they just think

that you believe blindly, right?

Whatever your sign is about.

But I think what is important to remember is always that you are in charge that

you have the power to change, that you are the one making the decision,

that there is a human being there that can learn from the natal chart, but

they can still make their decision.

So it's not really skepticism and I think it's just more of putting it

in the right perspective, really.

and to anybody that really asks me 'oh why you're doing the reading?',

because it happened to me, I was telling somebody that had the

reading with you., I'll go above.

Why did you do it.

I was like, well, why shouldn't I?

More than, it's just like, just something more to learn from.

I put it in at the same level, like if you have a coach for your

fitness, I might have therapy and then there is astrologists.

I think they all go on the same level.

They will give you different tools, different perspective, and then use

all of them, to combine them, in a way that makes sense to take care of

yourself and to learn about yourself.

some yeah,

You're like the ultimate self-care, self-help example between

with all of the things that you've done.

I just admire it so, so much.

Thank you I am a self nurturer.

you know,

It's your Cancer sun.

So you mentioned something about your Mars in Cancer being, something

that stands out to you in your chart.

Can you tell me a little bit more about that?

Yes, So well, I didn't know, my Mars was in Cancer until

we had the reading to be honest.

And that maybe was another a-ha moment.

Mars in Cancer is the energy center.

Right.

And I remember you telling me that it was difficult to balance.

And I remember that kind of ring a bell, as in, okay.

These are things I struggle on a daily basis.

I felt like, okay, this kind of like if there was a way to maybe describe a

bit myself, was this what I just said.

so I think that was something that was enlightening, to know, and was really

helpful in terms of just to understand better myself, The way I react the way

I want to act sometimes, but then I feel like maybe, you know, overwhelm and the

struggling within What should be the right approach or the right thing to do.

and definitely knowing that, Hey, there might be a, you know, an astrological

reason for that, was, somehow helping, even just, okay, let's just accept this

part of myself, and just go with it.

so it's definitely, helpful, because it also gives you more patient to go

back to that, To, deal with yourself.

Not to justify that you are in a certain way because of when you were born and

things like that but just like even just accept certain parts of ourself

that maybe we are not comfortable in talking about, because then it

brings out maybe some parts that are not so easy to manage or some parts

that we are maybe not So proud of.

where we just don't want to share with other people.

so it's definitely going back to sort of a learning curve

to understand that yourself.

So not just that self care, but also self awareness, which probably in a way

you never really stop working on as in the more you grow, the more you change

so certain things that maybe were true about yourself even just a month ago.

Maybe they're not true about yourself anymore.

They have just evolved into something different.

yeah.

And I think everyone has these parts of their chart I'm going to put this

in quotes, even though people can't see me undesirable or is viewed

as quote unquote bad or scary, or, you know, all of those things.

And first of all, I am not the kind of astrologer that would ever

say that anything is bad or scary or undesirable in your chart.

I think that your chart gives you the tools to navigate

anything that's a challenging placement transit, whatever it is.

you have that for a reason for this lifetime, for the

soul journey that you're on.

And, Mars and cancer is probably one of the challenging placements

because Mars wants to fight and cancer wants to nurture.

So no matter what the placement is, there's always going to be

a higher frequency expression of it and a lower expression of it.

And there are countless examples in history of people who had really similar

transits who were, like, Murderers or, you know, like really great people, you

know, who were born around the same time.

And they just to your very valid point, Tania.

they had their freewill and they chose how they were going to work with that energy.

And that took them down whatever the path was So for you, with that

Mars and cancer, it's actually really close to your sun too.

So it's like an even more important part of your identity.

I remember sometimes being in meetings with you where I feel like you would

go in like it would express itself, like knowing it, now it would express

itself so clearly, because you would be in your shell, your like cancer

shell, and you'd be like, be like really quiet and then you'd like,

get really fired up about something.

And then you would go back into your shell again, you'd be like, I don't

want to talk about this anymore.

for whatever reason, but that expression, is really an important

learning for anybody who has, or knows somebody with this placement, because

it's a dichotomy it's, it's similar to your moon in Capricorn actually.

That planet is in a place that it doesn't necessarily want to be in.

But it's allowed you the opportunity to work with the energy.

So we talked about what you've done your work with your moon in Capricorn,

but also with your Mars in cancer, it's also like, how do you fight

for the things that you care about?

How do you turn that energy around to align it more with passion, to align

it more with I think action was the word that You used when we started

talking about this So again, astrology is just giving you information.

It's giving you information that like, oh, this could be challenging for you.

You might have a tough time, balancing these two energies, but it gives you

the gift of knowing that you can work through it and you can what the highest

expression of that energy is for you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you said it right there.

He gives you information and then you decide what to do with them.

so there are definitely a lot of information or just different perspective.

I think that's the best thing about astrology that gives

you different perspective.

It just looks at things from different angles than anything else that you can do.

and so you can, of course, like always remember that you are in charge that you

are taking your decision, but it just can just open up your mind even more to

different patterns, different, I don't want to say answer, but just different

perspectives really, that can help you like understand better yourself or going

deeper, or even just thinking of let's say, possibilities or outcome or options

that you were not thinking about it in, in a more rational, logical perspective.

whether, it comes from you or it comes from the environment you have around

or different things you could be doing.

So for me, it's just an add on really, And I think it's fantastic.

Really.

So, yeah.

I'm sure there are so many things I don't know.

I mean, now I'm so focused on my ninth house for the reason we just

discussed all along, but I'm sure that all the others are, are, right?

there's many other houses.

Yeah.

Um, just, I guess I'm just at the beginning of my journey with astrology as

well, but so far it has given me, well, a lot of hints, I think, to, reflect on.

So that's good.

Tania.

There's a lot about astrology that I don't know.

So one of those things that you could just study for your entire life and

still like barely scratched the surface.

So, but I'm, I'm honored that I have been a part of your journey and I love

talking to you about astrology and I love talking to you about astrology.

I have a few rapid fire questions.

Is there.

anything else you'd like to say before we fire you?

No, come on shoot.

I'm ready.

Okay.

I also, I will give you a heads up.

I'm terrible at rapid fire I just start talking in between every single question

So we'll see if I do a better job.

Do you consider yourself to be more introverted or extroverted?

Introverted.

What is your superpower?

I can lose socks every day.

That's a new one.

Ah, laundry I'm terrible.

I mean, anyway, sorry.

Go ahead.

What is your dream travel destination.

Um, central Asia.

Oh, like what part?

All the different, uh, ex Soviet Republic, really.

I wanted to go to Mongolia, but then COVID happens.

So that's been postponed, but definitely that's on one of my wishlist.

I'm going to do this every time I asked this question, have we we've have

we looked at your astromap for that place?

That part of the world.

We did, yes, because I've been to Uzbekistan a couple of years ago.

And I think when I told you that I've been there, we did look into that.

So yeah.

that would

Okay.

Well,

that you would have done.

Yeah.

And I'm like, this rings a bell for me.

This is what, that should never be a rapid fire, question because I'm always

going to be like, tell me more like, okay.

Back to rapid fire, do you bring ritual into your daily life?

You kind of already answered this at the beginning, but

so.

It depends.

It depends.

I mean, how big of a ritual you want to have, but it can be just lighting

the candles you know, every day before going to sleep or just, I don't know,

putting on some perfume when you're meditating or something like that.

For today I put on some flowers on my table, before the podcast to

kind of prepare the environment.

It was actually nice because yesterday was Saint Jordi here in Barcelona, so

they were giving out the red roses.

So got one from the gym, it's

From the gym.

I have to say, I was very sad to hear that girls get roses and boys

get books because I want a book.

yeah, you get the books too.

I mean, traditionally speaking, you should get flower but, you

know, we are in 2022, you get both.

Yes.

And, you know, just by showing up at the gym and doing your

exercise, I got the rose.

So.

That's nice.

a nice detail, right?

And our last rapid fire, not so rapid.

I'm gonna start calling these not so rapid fire questions.

where do you shine brightest in your life?

Whew.

Where do I shine brightest in my life?

Um, what's the tough one.

Just the last one.

That's a tough one.

I think today at least, I would say with myself, in terms of, taking care

of myself, And I'm actually quite happy to be saying something like that.

it took a, I took a while, but I think that's what I'm really good at right now.

I agree.

Well, Tania, thank you so much.

This was such a pleasure to just talk to you about astrology

officially I hope to do this again.

You are So wise and so insightful and I think your journey has just.

There's so much that we can all learn from your journey and all the work that you've

put in and the self-awareness and the self-understanding that you've learned.

So thank you for opening up and sharing it with us today.

thank you so much for having me.

This was definitely so much fun and, I look forward to the

next episode with you then.

Yes!

And where can people find you if they want to follow along with your journey?

well, they can find me on Instagram, and they can easily find

me even on LinkedIn or maybe just by asking you my personal email.

Perfect.

thank you, Tania.

Have a great evening.

And I speak to you soon then.

I am already out inviting me, you know, for next espisode

Yep.

All right bye.