Episode Summary – FEEL THE ADRENALINE RUSH ON THE NORTH WALL OF DENALI, THE ALGERIAN REVOLUTION, WAR IN LIBYA AND LESSONS OF A PEACE BUILDER! In the WOW Episode 84 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show, (links in the comments), titled QUEST – RISK, ADVENTURE AND THE SEARCH FOR MEANING. Please me a true RENAISSANCE MAN, Mr. John Graham. During his world travels from the time, he was 16 he was seeking a life of adventure with many risks and had him fighting for his life in a lifeboat in the middle of the Gulf of Alaska after a typhoon came through and sank the ship. John has perfected the art of storytelling so come along for the ride for an action-packed show. Please listen, download, share and review and check our the GIRAFFE HEROES PROJECT (link in the comments) for people to join his movement to stick your neck out to solve public problems and succeed.
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About the guest – John Graham shipped out on a freighter when he was 16, hitchhiked through the Algerian Revolution at 19 and was on the team that made the first ascent of Denali’s North Wall at 20, a climb so dangerous it’s never been repeated. He hitchhiked around the world at 22, working as a correspondent in every war he came across. A US Foreign Service Officer for 15 years, he was in the middle of the 1969 revolution in Libya and the war in Vietnam. To the young Graham, adventure was everything, and each brush with death only pushed him to up the ante—and to bury ever deeper the emotional life needed to make him whole. Then it changed, sometimes slowly, sometimes dramatically, including during one night at the height of a battle in Vietnam. At the United Nations he risked his career, crossing his own government to support peace initiatives in South Africa and Cuba. Then came the all-or-nothing bet he was forced to make, fighting for his life in a lifeboat in the middle of a typhoon when his ship caught fire and sank in the Gulf of Alaska. For the last 35 years Graham has been a leader of the Giraffe Heroes Project, a global movement inspiring people to stick their necks out to solve public problems and giving them tools to succeed (giraffe.org). As a peacebuilder, he’s helped end apartheid in South Africa, avert a major strike in Canada, save what’s left of the Everglades and find long-term environmental solutions in the Pacific Northwest. His books include Outdoor Leadership, Stick Your Neck Out–A Street-smart Guide to Creating Change in Your Community and Beyond, It's Up To Us, and a memoir, QUEST: Risk, Adventure, and the Search for Meaning.
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Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.
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Hello, it's Howard Brown is the Shining Brightly
Howard Brown:Show. Oh, I've got an amazing guest today. It's incredible. If
Howard Brown:you want to talk about that renaissance man, I've got that
Howard Brown:man for you. John Graham. Welcome. Welcome to the show.
Howard Brown:Welcome to shining brightly. How are you? Alright,
John Graham:fine. How are you? Thank you. Thank you for thank
John Graham:you for having me on.
Howard Brown:I'm so pleased. So I have to tell you when I met
Howard Brown:John, I mean, he's got so many stories, and we just don't have
Howard Brown:enough time to cover them all. So we're gonna give you the
Howard Brown:highlight reel. And then you're gonna go out and get his books,
Howard Brown:and then you're going to contact him and you're going to support
Howard Brown:his nonprofit because this guy is just lived a little bit,
Howard Brown:right? At 16. John, you know, shipped out on a freighter, and
Howard Brown:he really hasn't looked back. He's been all over the world.
Howard Brown:He's been in apartheid South Africa. He's been to Alaska a
Howard Brown:whole bunch of times doing some dangerous stuff we're going to
Howard Brown:talk about. He's worked for the Foreign Service. This guy is a
Howard Brown:cool cat, man and deli. He's still going. So we've got lots
Howard Brown:of lots of cool stuff to share with you as well. But before I
Howard Brown:do that, John, I always ask, tell us something maybe we don't
Howard Brown:know about you that you don't often share. Oh,
John Graham:well. I can say that I was the first person ever
John Graham:to climb up the north wall of Mount McKinley, Denali claim.
John Graham:It's so friggin dangerous that no one's ever done it since.
Howard Brown:Wow, that's incredible. When did you do
Howard Brown:that? Well,
John Graham:I was a kid that I was 1963. Yeah, it's been a long
John Graham:time. And it was called McKinley before. McKinley. Now it's
John Graham:Denali. Now it's Denali. But it's the climate is so
John Graham:dangerous. No one we were so a bunch of idiotic young kids from
John Graham:a climbing club. And we didn't understand the dangers. But we
John Graham:just walked right through. Unbelievable,
Howard Brown:because I actually had the territory of Alaska for
Howard Brown:this company called avid technology. We changed how
Howard Brown:broadcasting was done from analogue to digital. And every
Howard Brown:chief engineer that I ever met at a television station, had a
Howard Brown:pilot's licence and a plane. And so because I was up in Alaska, I
Howard Brown:got to circulate in a plane never climbed it. So I don't
Howard Brown:know if I could that you did some crazy stuff as well. So
Howard Brown:share with me, you know, some some background of God, you
Howard Brown:know, as a 16 year old venturing out into the world. What was
Howard Brown:that all about? Well,
John Graham:it was a crazy thing I won't go into the whole
John Graham:half hour is a complicated thing. But But I ended up
John Graham:winning an essay contest when I was a kid in high school. And
John Graham:the prize was a trip on a freighter to the Far East, but
John Graham:then the shipping company had booked all their passenger
John Graham:space. So they said, oh, we'll take you all right, because you
John Graham:have to be a member of the crew. I said, Oh, that's great. My
John Graham:mother, however, who was a Catholic, a very staunch
John Graham:Catholic, by the way, said okay, 16 year old 17 year old John is
John Graham:going on a freighter now those days no containers, right? I
John Graham:mean, is this, a freighter was a big ship with a bunch of 60
John Graham:really tough guys on it. And so, it took me a long time to
John Graham:convince her to let me go because because she figured
John Graham:that, you know, I was gonna like lose not only my virginity, but
John Graham:just you know, it was a tough time. But she let me go, God
John Graham:bless her. And I wonder where they're and boy, I saw a world
John Graham:that was a whole lot bigger and more colourful than than white
John Graham:bread, Tacoma, Washington where I grew up. Man, I got into a
John Graham:first bar fight. I mean, it was just I was 16 years old doing
John Graham:this. And it was like, it changed my life. All of a
John Graham:sudden, there was a world out there that was big and, and huge
John Graham:and exciting. And it I never looked back as you. As you said,
John Graham:I never looked back in my life became one adventure after the
John Graham:next from that moment on.
Howard Brown:It's incredible. I mean, you've just got yourself
Howard Brown:into places and experiences that you know, a 16 year old kid, you
Howard Brown:know, sophomore, junior in high school. I mean, you're you're
Howard Brown:still wet behind the ears. You're a young buck, you know?
Howard Brown:Yeah,
John Graham:yeah. That's yeah, I I try. I put down what
John Graham:happened in my memoir. We'll talk about that later. But it
John Graham:was pretty amazing. I was incredibly naive. And the seamen
John Graham:were determined to teach me all the lessons they knew I would
John Graham:never get in school. And they did. I will leave it at that.
Howard Brown:You got the life lessons I got the important life
Howard Brown:lessons and a whole bunch of Big Brother seamen that were you
Howard Brown:know watching out for you teaching Yeah, all the good
Howard Brown:stuff.
John Graham:Yeah, they took care of me they took care of me
John Graham:when we get into that bar fight. I passed out and one of them put
John Graham:me on the on the shoulders and carried me back to the ship
John Graham:before I got cut to pieces. So yeah, it was cool.
Howard Brown:Let me ask you this, because I find this
Howard Brown:interesting that that did you find these wars that you are a
Howard Brown:chorus minder, do they find you?
John Graham:Ah, I found them. I look I deliberately look for
John Graham:them. Yeah. I hitchhiked around the world after I graduated from
John Graham:Cal Well, I hitchhiked to In North Africa when I was a
John Graham:sophomore in college, because it was the only shooting war, I
John Graham:could find I was climbing mountains in Switzerland and,
John Graham:and the colonial war in Algeria was still going on, and we just
John Graham:ended. So I said, I gotta get down there. It's only a few 100
John Graham:miles away. So I hitchhiked down through Spain, through Morocco.
John Graham:And I showed up at the Algerian border and there was no border
John Graham:guy because there was a friggin war going on. So I put an
John Graham:American flag on my chest. Really smart move. Because if
John Graham:they thought I was French, they kill me. Right? They were
John Graham:fighting. Yeah. So I put this American flag on and I walked
John Graham:across in the war in Algeria, because it was the most exciting
John Graham:thing I'd ever done. And sure enough, I mean, people saw that
John Graham:American flag and the the rebels or the commandos or whatever the
John Graham:soldiers would point their guns at the driver and ordered him to
John Graham:take me wherever I wanted to go. Wow. So yeah, that was my first
John Graham:my first war was Algeria. And I graduated from college and I
John Graham:hitchhiked around the world and I deliberately got a rare they
John Graham:call it a press pass from the Boston Globe press credentials,
John Graham:you know, yes, yes. And so I reported on I went to Cyprus,
John Graham:where there was an active war going on. Then I went to Laos,
John Graham:and went up to the Plain of Jars where the people were fighting,
John Graham:and they went to Vietnam, where America's war was just starting,
John Graham:you know, and it was like that. And then 10 years later, I came
John Graham:back to Vietnam, but this time as an adult as part of the war,
John Graham:our war in Vietnam, doing all kinds of difficult and
John Graham:thoroughly dangerous stuff.
Howard Brown:To China. We back then we are you still an action
Howard Brown:junkie? It what was driving all this?
John Graham:Oh, man, I tell you, I gotta be careful. I mean,
John Graham:you know, I'm driving, I'm driving to the next town and my
John Graham:gas tank is almost empty. And so I'll say to myself, you know, I
John Graham:got about an 80% chance of making it to the gas station,
John Graham:but 20% chance that they won't, yeah, let's do it. Let's go for
John Graham:it. My wife goes crazy. She thinks I'm nuts. What are you
John Graham:doing? I can't help it. I don't know. I was, it's a gene. I was
John Graham:born with it. And the fact of the matter is, Howard is that.
John Graham:Gosh, by the time I was 40 years old, I figured I had almost been
John Graham:killed. I died a violent death real close a dozen times. And I
John Graham:kept walking away from it. So what else was I supposed to
John Graham:think was that I was invulnerable. So I could keep
John Graham:doing all this stuff. Because, you know, I kept walking away
John Graham:from it. So every time I took a risk, it was a bigger risk than
John Graham:the one before. It was crazy. It all changed. And I gradually
John Graham:moved myself to the side of the angels, but it took a while.
John Graham:Yeah.
Howard Brown:So I have to tell you, I one of my other guests
Howard Brown:was a firefighter. And he said something so astute and it just
Howard Brown:reminds me of what you're doing. He said, You know, as a
Howard Brown:firefighter, we are taught to run towards fire, not away from
Howard Brown:it. It's a safety. And that's the same thing with you, you are
Howard Brown:running towards the action, you put yourself in the middle of of
Howard Brown:bullets and bombs and real real danger. And I mean, it's just
Howard Brown:incredible. But you're you kept on going and doing it. And what
Howard Brown:are some of the lessons? What are the takeaways and seeing all
Howard Brown:these war torrents and these revolutions and all that?
John Graham:Yeah, that's a difficult question. Because the
John Graham:lessons changed for me. In the beginning, my 20s, you know, the
John Graham:lessons were there was nothing more important than adventure
John Graham:and risk taking. That's what life was about. The adrenaline
John Graham:rush, but it was more than you know, you probably experienced
John Graham:it yourself. But you know, when you're young you think you take
John Graham:more risk. You're you know, you're you're 17 at 21 years
John Graham:old, you're taking it but it was different for me. For me, it
John Graham:became a way of life. And then I kept walking away from stuff I
John Graham:mean, both whistling by my ears via contract to kill me. I can't
John Graham:walk away from it. So but the thing was, was that that was
John Graham:what my life was about. Everybody else's life was like
John Graham:kind of dull, but this is incredible. Well, that that did
John Graham:shift that that did shift and the lesson I learned after a
John Graham:battle in Vietnam. We were surrounded I was the adviser to
John Graham:the city called way which some of your listeners viewers may
John Graham:have heard of the Tet massacre? Yes. In Vietnam. Well, I was the
John Graham:city where I was the I was an advisor to the mayor and also
John Graham:had a lot to do with some pretty rough counterintelligence
John Graham:operations and intelligence stuff and we were surrounded on
John Graham:three sides by the North Vietnamese during what was
John Graham:called the Easter offensive, this is three years before
John Graham:Vietnam actually failed. North Vietnamese. I don't know if
John Graham:people remember the history almost we were at it three years
John Graham:earlier. And we're stopped just short. But I was in the city at
John Graham:the time. And we were surrounded in all the American troops and
John Graham:left as part of a peace agreement. So just a couple of
John Graham:us so called civilians who are civilians, we were armed to the
John Graham:teeth, and we knew how to use the weapons. But still, we were
John Graham:civilians, and there were only four of us and we were and the
John Graham:South Vietnamese Army had panic and refugees were screaming
John Graham:through the city, it was my job to take care of 300,000
John Graham:Screaming impoverished refugees and the North Vietnamese guns
John Graham:were blasting away and it was a incredible situation. And then
John Graham:the finally the skies cleared a little bit and American fighter
John Graham:bombers from carrier jets came roaring over the city. so low
John Graham:that I could practically read the name of the pilot on the
John Graham:cockpit. And they finally blasted the North Vietnamese
John Graham:tank just six miles short of the city. So I didn't die that time
John Graham:but I damned I did. And it it was after it went so much after
John Graham:that, or in the middle of all this everybody had panic right
John Graham:but not me because I love it. The worst thing is get i You
John Graham:want me in your foxhole man. And I was steady and I was helping
John Graham:put the city back together getting people to run the police
John Graham:forces and stuff but because everybody else had panic. And
John Graham:and I finally realised that the problem was deserter is from
John Graham:from the South Vietnamese army. Were terrorising everybody else.
John Graham:So I screamed at the mayor that he had to set up a firing squad.
John Graham:I remember in the middle of all his guns going off, you know,
John Graham:people shouting and screaming, I put my fist on his desk, bang,
John Graham:bang, bang, you got to sit up a firing squad. I didn't know if
John Graham:it work or not as a deterrent to start shooting these. These
John Graham:these kids and they were kids. They were farm boys drag wound
John Graham:off their patties maybe the month before and shoved into the
John Graham:South Vietnamese Army and then shoved into the face of a highly
John Graham:professional North Vietnamese attacking columns. And they were
John Graham:scared out of their wits. So a lot of them got drunk and and
John Graham:they were causing a huge problem. So I set up his firing
John Graham:squad. Not knowing whether it would work. And then I realised
John Graham:somehow something about firing squad. I was unaware that I
John Graham:never believed in. I was in a war whose aims I thought were
John Graham:false even evil. I was in a war where the only because of the
John Graham:adventure. And here I was ordering the deaths of farm boys
John Graham:innocent foreign boy who just got drunk and panicked in a
John Graham:moment of total chaos and it suddenly hit me that that's what
John Graham:my life had come down to the adventure and all that wasn't
John Graham:just me and evil I was now in a position of real authority with
John Graham:the power of life and death. And and I was misusing it. I was
John Graham:causing people to die making things worse was that there? My
John Graham:rest of life gonna be like that. It was the lowest point in my
John Graham:life. I mean, I just put my head down and and I actually cried. I
John Graham:think I just I realised how shallow my life had become.
John Graham:Living a life just her adventures not giving a you
John Graham:know, what about anybody else or their concerns? Or life or death
John Graham:just one more adrenaline rush after the other. It was a long
John Graham:road back out. It took me a long time to crawl back out of that
John Graham:hole.
Howard Brown:It sounds like you're an amazing storyteller.
Howard Brown:I'm so captivated listening to it. I guess we have talked but I
Howard Brown:want to we could talk for hours on it because I'm a history buff
Howard Brown:and you've been there. But also you've again you face death.
Howard Brown:Again. I faced death for cancer stage four cancer twice in my
Howard Brown:life. But I mean, I think the Alaska story of the second ship
Howard Brown:I said you thought you're gonna die
John Graham:right? Once again. Share that share that story.
John Graham:Share that story with you want that story? Oh, I do. I do. I
John Graham:do. Yeah. Okay. All right. Look. I'm crawling back from that
John Graham:hole. That moral spiritual hole in Vietnam. Long story short, I
John Graham:ended up with the United Nations and my life had changed by them.
John Graham:Now I really was committed to doing good integral and in fact
John Graham:I did I I'm proud to say that I helped end apartheid system of
John Graham:institutionalised racism and South Africans. And I helped
John Graham:achieve independence for some countries in Africa because that
John Graham:was my job. I wasn't Africa policies of the United Nations
John Graham:for our country. And so, you know, my life had really
John Graham:changed. And it changed so much that I realised I couldn't work
John Graham:for anybody anymore. Because sooner or later, there'd be some
John Graham:you know, what, who would tell me to do something awful, I
John Graham:wouldn't do it. So I quit. I quit at the top of my game,
John Graham:really, because the State Department loved me because they
John Graham:nobody could kill me. I was doing difficult, dangerous
John Graham:stuff. I was really smart at it. So they I was there a fair
John Graham:haired boy and I quit the top of my career naively thinking that
John Graham:I would somehow save the world, I would write books, I would
John Graham:give speeches, I would convince people and as soon as I opened
John Graham:my mouth, all the bad guys returning the good guys, the US
John Graham:and the Soviet Union would start getting along. I was pretty
John Graham:naive. But I thought that I could make a real effort to do
John Graham:that. I hadn't thought about money at all. And so I quickly
John Graham:spent all of the the severance pay the State Department had
John Graham:given me and I had a wife and two kids and so I had to get
John Graham:some money. And and I have a friend came in, says, Look,
John Graham:John, you've always had a good gift of gab. They pay money to
John Graham:lecture on cruise ships. All you have to do is open your mouth on
John Graham:the cruise ship, and they pay you absurd amounts of money. So
John Graham:long story short, I, I applied, and I got a job lecturing. The
John Graham:cruise ship Princeton damn in 1980, October 1980. All I had to
John Graham:do was give some simple as soon as me simple lecture on foreign
John Graham:policy, they didn't care. I also found out once I got on board
John Graham:that ship that part of my job was to look handsome in my
John Graham:tuxedo, in Walt's little old ladies around the dance floor. I
John Graham:didn't realise that. So there I was on this cruise ship, and I
John Graham:got to take one person with me. So I took my then 13 year old
John Graham:daughter Mallory with me on the cruise ship. And we're about
John Graham:three days out from Vancouver, when we were heading out into
John Graham:the Pacific heading for Japan. And we were 150 miles off the
John Graham:Alaska coast in the middle of the night is a warning on the
John Graham:loudspeaker system. The intercom system in the state rooms, says
John Graham:it's been a small fire, but fire has been put out no worries. But
John Graham:you know, so I rolled over go back to sleep. 10 minutes later,
John Graham:the voice comes on again, this time with a sense of real
John Graham:urgency to it and it says look, yeah, we want you all to come up
John Graham:to the ships lounge because there's some smoke and fires out
John Graham:but we'll serve free drinks and come on up to the lounge just to
John Graham:be safe. Totally disarming method. So Mallory and I grew up
John Graham:there I only have a thin windbreaker and so does she and
John Graham:we don't even take our life is which was really stupid. And
John Graham:we're up on the ships lounge but it's full of smoke. So people
John Graham:are extremely out on deck as to clear night and the Gulf of
John Graham:Alaska, you know, Northern Lights and all that in the sea
John Graham:was fairly common at the time. But any fool could look back
John Graham:where we'd come from, and see that the smoke was getting
John Graham:blacker and thicker. In other words, the fire had not been put
John Graham:out. Oh, people are starting to panic, people are starting to
John Graham:get really worried. We're all herded to the back of the ship,
John Graham:the stern of the ship. And I know this sounds like a famous
John Graham:movie, but that ships orchestra comes out. And they were playing
John Graham:near my guide to the but but they started playing show tunes
John Graham:from Oklahoma smoke getting blacker thicker, and that was
John Graham:clearly over the size of the ship. And finally at about two
John Graham:in the morning, the captain heard says we got to go to
John Graham:lifeboat station. So we all go to lifeboat stations. And at
John Graham:that moment, the fire burns through all of the glass windows
John Graham:in the ship's lounge and dining room and the fire takes a big
John Graham:gulp of oxygen and flames. Excuse me, flame sure shoot 30
John Graham:feet into the air. I mean this the centre of the ship becomes a
John Graham:torch and I can see these flames reflected off my daughter's
John Graham:eyes. And now people are really freaking out as you might
John Graham:imagine. So the captain comes out and he's in his full dress
John Graham:uniform with a white silk scarf. I mean really they do this as
John Graham:part of the lava sea or something I guess. And there we
John Graham:are ordered to abandon ship. So by a miracle all 550 people on
John Graham:that boat, except for the the captain and a few other people
John Graham:who stay behind temporarily are in these lifeboats and they're
John Graham:lowered. And there's no loss of life. I mean, it's a miracle but
John Graham:the seas that are calm, but our lifeboat is terribly overcrowded
John Graham:is only meant for 60 people Mallory counts 90 in the
John Graham:lifeboat but it was good because it was cool. out there. So being
John Graham:shoved together was not bad. But the problem was was that the
John Graham:typhoon was coming on typhoon burnin, I think it was called.
John Graham:And they warned us the night before that the typhoon was
John Graham:coming. So they distributed, you know, seasick pills at dinner.
John Graham:And we knew the storm was coming, but now we weren't in
John Graham:some huge cruise ship. We were in little lifeboats, eight of
John Graham:them, I think. And they, we began being separated from each
John Graham:other. We had no power in the lifeboats and no oars, we were
John Graham:just drifting. And it was the middle of a night, but we had
John Graham:no, no radio, no lights, no flares, nothing. And I tried to
John Graham:get the radio to work using Morse code, because I knew Morse
John Graham:code. And it didn't work. So we were out there. And then at
John Graham:dawn, helicopters arrived from bases, Canadian and US Air Force
John Graham:and Coast Guard bases in Alaska and Canada. And they start
John Graham:lifting people off the lifeboats, in metal chairs at
John Graham:the end of cable. It's kind of like a county fair. There's a
John Graham:ride where kids go spinning around. Yeah, yeah, like that
John Graham:one of those chairs. And so they work as fast as they can, but
John Graham:it's slow work one at a time. 550 people. And it became seven
John Graham:o'clock, eight o'clock, nine o'clock noon, about one o'clock
John Graham:I see Mallory's the last female lifted off the lifeboat tough
John Graham:little bugger. And she, I was so proud of her because she never
John Graham:he was as calm as I was, he was just really cool. So she gets
John Graham:lifted off. And I'm left in the lifeboat with eight other guys.
John Graham:The helicopters can't fly anymore, because now the typhoon
John Graham:has hit his head on. And it's suicide to fly a helicopter in
John Graham:those conditions. So there we were. And he was getting rougher
John Graham:and rougher. And we were trying we were bathing like crazy.
John Graham:seasick, his dogs dying of hypothermia. But the key thing
John Graham:was the light. And remember, we have no lights and no flares, no
John Graham:reflectors. And even with a bit of daylight in a storm, it's
John Graham:hard enough to find us and no helicopters meant that the only
John Graham:source of rescue was three, two or three Coast Guard cutters.
John Graham:Small boats had arrived. And we're doing criss crossing
John Graham:desperately looking for, for us the last in the storm. They
John Graham:might find this by daylight, but they would never find us at
John Graham:night, I figured from a mountaineering that we had seven
John Graham:or eight hours to live before we were all dead from hypothermia.
John Graham:But most of the end we did as soon as it was dark. As soon as
John Graham:it was dark, there was no hope of finding as at least with the
John Graham:light. There was some hope. So there we are to half an hour
John Graham:until dark. I had a whole life of of staring death in the face,
John Graham:always walked away from it. And I thought my life could run out.
John Graham:I don't see any way out of this. I mean, the odds are like one in
John Graham:1000. And so I said, I started talking to God, I wasn't I'm
John Graham:still not a particularly religious person. But I started
John Graham:talking to whatever I felt was God say, and I wasn't praying I
John Graham:was mad. I said, Wait a minute. Here I am. I turned my life
John Graham:around after that horrible episode in Vietnam, I helped end
John Graham:apartheid. I quit the Foreign Service to devote my life to
John Graham:service to making the world a better place. And now you guys
John Graham:are wiping me out it makes no sense at all. It makes no
John Graham:freakin sense at all to wipe me out.
John Graham:And I get this message. I get this message no one else in that
John Graham:boat heard anything, of course, but I did. And this voice came
John Graham:booming through this wild storm. And basically say you got to get
John Graham:serious. You you left all this do gooder stuff to start
John Graham:lecturing on cruise ships because you panic over money.
John Graham:You get out of this lecture on another cruise ship. You gotta
John Graham:get serious about your ideals, whether they're real or not. And
John Graham:if your ideals are not if it's just, you know, Bs and you might
John Graham:as well die out here because the next 50 years won't be worth
John Graham:living. But if you really commit to a life of service well we'll
John Graham:see what we can do. You didn't see that but you got picked up
John Graham:by a cutter Yeah, as soon as I looked up to the storms and
John Graham:Okay, okay, I gave up I gave up as soon as I said that this
John Graham:Coast Guard Cutter now mind you the visibility is like 100
John Graham:yards. This Coast Guard Cutter comes crashing through this wild
John Graham:storm or we get rescued. I mean, that's it. I know. It sounds
John Graham:like a crazy story. It was It is a crazy story. But that's where
John Graham:it's true. As soon as I said yes, yes. Okay, I give up. I
John Graham:give up i give up and that's what my life will be this Coast
John Graham:Guard Cutter comes and I never looked back. I'll say that for
John Graham:myself. I never look back Back, am I
Howard Brown:it's incredible story. And I mean, I thank you
Howard Brown:and your daughter, you know, shared that with you and she's
Howard Brown:everyone's okay, it's really just true strength and you turn
Howard Brown:it around. So I'm gonna ask you to put on your sunglasses,
Howard Brown:because we're getting down to the end of the show. 30 minutes
Howard Brown:goes by quickly. So I want to shine the spotlight on you.
Howard Brown:Okay, you are shining, John Graham, and I want you to tell
Howard Brown:people how they can get a hold of you. I want you to mention
Howard Brown:your books, and I want you to mention your nonprofit. And then
Howard Brown:you'll share some inspiration and we'll close out the show.
Howard Brown:Oh,
John Graham:wow, I can do all that. Okay, right. You can.
John Graham:There's John Graham and I invite communications. My personal web
John Graham:address is John graham dot org. My, my email is Graham at
John Graham:giraffe giraffe.org. That's because I direct nonprofit
John Graham:called the giraffe heroes project, which is all about
John Graham:finding people who are sticking their necks out and telling
John Graham:their stories and the giraffe website. I urge you to get on it
John Graham:because it's amazing. The stuff that we do is draft.org draft
John Graham:that work. So it's giraffe.org John graham.org. The book, my
John Graham:last book I've written five now is quest. Risk adventure in the
John Graham:search for meaning and it's kind of like the story of my life
John Graham:going down as far down as it can go and then coming back the
John Graham:other side. And I'm I'm friggin 81 years old and still going
John Graham:strong. And there we are. And as to leaving words of wisdom,
John Graham:Well, hell, I've been long since that, that wisdom is a difficult
John Graham:commodity. And I'm always slow to give it but I'll tell you
John Graham:this. The most important thing that any of us can do is the
John Graham:search for meaning personal meaning in our lives. Some
John Graham:people find meaning as I did in adventure that didn't go very
John Graham:far. Some people find meaning in money, some people find meaning
John Graham:in power. But the real source of meaning the real source of
John Graham:meaning that really work that sticks with you that makes your
John Graham:life work is service. Find a way to serve, can be anything could
John Graham:be something in your local town, it could be cleaning up a local
John Graham:river, it could be fighting climate change could be
John Graham:combating violence against women could be anything, but find a
John Graham:way to serve. Find a way so that your own heart sings from the
John Graham:meaning of being of service. And that's what makes a life complete.
Howard Brown:Wow. That's beautiful. That's that's what my
Howard Brown:show is about. That's what my life is about. So I appreciate
Howard Brown:that. You've been listening or watching to the shining brightly
Howard Brown:show, you can reach me at shining brightly.com And you can
Howard Brown:find a lot about my book, my memoir and a couple other books
Howard Brown:I've been working on and published. Also, hire me to
Howard Brown:speak at your event. I'm a great motivational speaker and
Howard Brown:facilitator. Let me bring some some sunshine to your event. And
Howard Brown:also this podcast is there but my advocacy, my work in
Howard Brown:mentorship and leadership and entrepreneurship, cancer and
Howard Brown:cancer screening cancer treatments. And as well as
Howard Brown:interfaith work of knowing people that are not like you and
Howard Brown:choosing to be kind and grateful and and healing and not choosing
Howard Brown:hate. So this has been a great show, John, you are incredible.
Howard Brown:I will have all your information in the show notes and on social
Howard Brown:media, people will reach out to you and just keep keep living.
Howard Brown:And just I keep telling stories and Keep being you and the
Howard Brown:adrenaline rush was one thing but you've learned a lot. You've
Howard Brown:lived a lot and I'm just so glad to know you and thank you for
Howard Brown:being here.
John Graham:Thank you for inviting me