Dysbiosis, or bacterial imbalance, is a leading cause of leaky gut syndrome. It means an imbalance between helpful and harmful species of bacteria in your gastrointestinal tract. Poor diet, comprising proteins found in grains, sugar, and genetically-modified foods (GMO).
What are some causes of leaky gut?
Be sure to focus on your pet's diet to prevent and heal leaky gut. Also, limit medications, watch their diet, and exercise!!!
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Anthony:
:It's not pretty, but the gut is a foundation of good health.
Anthony:
:Today we're talking leaky gut.
Danielle:
:Stay tuned until the end of the episode where Anthony
Danielle:
:answers the customer's question.
Anthony:
:Today I wanted to talk about leaky gut and allergies and
Anthony:
:that relationship the relationship between the two.
Anthony:
:There is a there is a hidden epidemic that's occurring
Anthony:
:right now that a lot of veterinarians and researchers are
Anthony:
:just kind of now grasping.
Anthony:
:But like I said, it is.
Anthony:
:It's called leaky gut and it's occurring in humans and it's
Anthony:
:also occurring in our canines.
Anthony:
:The important thing about leaky gut is it is and very well
Anthony:
:may be the underlying issue in a lot of inflammatory
Anthony:
:diseases and ailments, from joint pain to allergies to
Anthony:
:cancer. So it's a really, really important topic to talk
Anthony:
:about before we jump into exactly what leaky gut is.
Anthony:
:I want to talk about real quick.
Anthony:
:I just want to give you guys a snapshot of the dog's gut
Anthony:
:and how it kind of works.
Anthony:
:I think it'll help us understand leaky
Speaker3:
:Gut a little better.
Anthony:
:So simply put, the dog eats food.
Anthony:
:Food goes down to the stomach where it runs through the
Anthony:
:cycles of hydraulic acid washes and mixes with other
Anthony:
:gastric juices.
Anthony:
:From that point, that mixture moves into the smaller
Anthony:
:intestine, where the pancreas is then responsible for
Anthony:
:creating the enzymes help break down the food even more,
Anthony:
:and then it kind of continues down the small intestine
Anthony:
:trickles down to small intestine.
Anthony:
:And this is where the bacteria actually begin to further
Anthony:
:break down and absorb the smaller nutrient particles
Anthony:
:through the mucus or the mucosal lining, which is really
Anthony:
:important something to remember because we're going to come
Anthony:
:back to that. And then whatever is left from that point is
Anthony:
:either absorbed or it's moved to the large intestine and
Anthony:
:excreted as a dog shit.
Speaker3:
:That is a really quick
Anthony:
:Snapshot of your dog's gut in the digestive system there in
Anthony:
:a small intestine. There are a bunch of these finger like
Anthony:
:formations that cover the surface of the interior of the
Anthony:
:intestines, and this increases the surface area and
Anthony:
:therefore the area in which the food and the nutrients is
Anthony:
:absorbed. And these little fingers in the intestines are
Anthony:
:called villi or microvilli.
Anthony:
:These microvilli are covered in a very thin layer of
Anthony:
:Mukasey film that helps absorb nutrients that's called the
Anthony:
:mucosa. So kind of what we were talking about before.
Anthony:
:So what exactly is leaky gut and what is it and how is it
Anthony:
:affecting the gut? Leaky gut is often called a dysbiosis
Anthony:
:because it's essentially an imbalance of good and bad
Anthony:
:bacteria in the gut.
Anthony:
:And this imbalance creates inflammation.
Anthony:
:So I always tell people, think of it as the good bacteria.
Anthony:
:It's kind of like a battle that's happening in the gut, and
Anthony:
:the good bacteria are being overrun or taken over by the
Anthony:
:bad bacteria. And this whole world of bacteria and viruses
Anthony:
:and microbes. This is what we call the microbiome, which is
Anthony:
:a really popular word now.
Anthony:
:It's been talked about in the raw feeding world and the
Anthony:
:holistic world for a long time.
Anthony:
:But now, interesting enough, you're finding it on like even
Anthony:
:bags of dry dog food.
Anthony:
:They have this this sudden interest in the microbiome,
Anthony:
:which they should because it's it's, you know, it's called
Anthony:
:the there's another name for it.
Anthony:
:I think it's called the the lost organ or the undiscovered
Anthony:
:organ or something like that. But it's really, really
Speaker3:
:Important this imbalance
Anthony:
:In the gut. It creates inflammation, which then forces the
Anthony:
:cells to spread in the gut lining.
Anthony:
:This is allowing or it's leaking toxins in bacteria and
Anthony:
:even larger food particles from the gut into the
Anthony:
:bloodstream. These particles are antigenic and allergenic,
Anthony:
:so they actually stimulate the immune system, which mounts
Anthony:
:in an attack or response, and they create antibodies
Anthony:
:against them. This process right here, what's happening
Anthony:
:right here is what brings on this slew of different
Anthony:
:ailments and diseases at this point.
Anthony:
:I also want to talk about food allergy tests because
Anthony:
:they're extremely, in my opinion.
Anthony:
:They're extremely inaccurate.
Anthony:
:And I also have a lot of I know a lot of veterinarians that
Anthony:
:believe the same. And it's because these these food
Anthony:
:particles
Speaker3:
:Actually leaving the gut undigested,
Anthony:
:Going into the into the bloodstream and the immune system is
Anthony:
:attacking it and creating antibodies.
Anthony:
:And this it's actually showing up on allergy test.
Anthony:
:And so a lot of I have a lot of customers that come in and
Anthony:
:they have literally the list is is they're allergic to
Anthony:
:everything. Their dogs are allergic to every single protein
Anthony:
:there is. And that's it's for this reason.
Anthony:
:So a lot of times if you heal the gut, it's not really an
Anthony:
:allergy. It's just it's this leaky gut problem.
Anthony:
:The reason why your traditional vet will not talk about
Anthony:
:leaky gut is because there's there's such a variety of
Anthony:
:symptoms from leaky gut.
Anthony:
:You have gas, you have diarrhea, allergies, joint issues,
Anthony:
:ear and skin infections, digestive issues, cancer, gum
Anthony:
:disease, bad breath, autoimmune disorders, bladder
Anthony:
:inflammation, et cetera, et cetera.
Anthony:
:So it's easy for them to treat these symptoms.
Anthony:
:Treat the symptoms of leaky gut without actually treating
Anthony:
:the actual cause, which is, of course, the inflamed gut.
Anthony:
:And so I actually I was in the shop always kind of.
Anthony:
:I try to explain to some people and I kind of cross my
Anthony:
:fingers and show that, you know, this inflammation is what
Anthony:
:it's what it's doing is it's it's inflaming the gut lining
Anthony:
:and it's kind of separating the cells and the gut lining.
Anthony:
:There's there already.
Anthony:
:It's already a little perforated, but what happens when
Anthony:
:it's inflamed is those those holes get even bigger.
Anthony:
:Now these these bigger particles are going into the
Anthony:
:bloodstream, which they should not be there.
Anthony:
:That's kind of really simple level there, but it's kind of
Anthony:
:the best way to, I guess, imagine it, the cause is of this
Anthony:
:dysbiosis or this leaky gut.
Anthony:
:The real villains here are.
Anthony:
:Well, first and foremost, highly processed diets, and
Anthony:
:that's going to be our main focus, so we're going to go
Anthony:
:back to that one, but also it's worth mentioning that, you
Anthony:
:know, medications can can definitely destroy the gut.
Anthony:
:We talk about antibiotics.
Anthony:
:You know, antibiotics. There's definitely a time and a
Anthony:
:place for them. But you want to make sure if your dog or
Anthony:
:cat is being prescribed antibiotics that your vets are
Anthony:
:actually, you know, doing culture samples, making sure that
Anthony:
:they're prescribing the right antibiotic for the right
Anthony:
:pathogen. It's going to be a, well, let's try this one.
Anthony:
:Oh, this one doesn't work. Let's try this one or this one
Anthony:
:doesn't try this. Antibiotics don't discriminate, so
Anthony:
:they're destroying good and bad bacteria in the gut.
Anthony:
:So when you do these antibiotics over and over again, you're
Anthony:
:more and more prone to having this dysbiosis, right?
Anthony:
:Because you're killing the good bacteria as well.
Anthony:
:So antibiotics can definitely contribute steroids, NSAIDs
Anthony:
:or non-steroidal sorry non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.
Anthony:
:All these can contribute to leaky gut over vaccinating is
Anthony:
:another one, you know, so making sure that you're
Anthony:
:vaccinating intelligently, which we talked about in a
Anthony:
:previous podcast.
Anthony:
:Vaccines stimulate gut associated lymphoid tissue.
Anthony:
:It's important to titer.
Anthony:
:It's important to just make sure your dogs aren't already
Anthony:
:protected before vaccinating them again.
Anthony:
:And if you don't know what titer is and you want to find
Anthony:
:out more, like I said, you can go back to our previous
Anthony:
:episode with Dr.
Anthony:
:Carlson to learn more.
Anthony:
:But there we do it all the time for our dogs, and I will
Anthony:
:say that, you know, most dogs, when they get their core
Anthony:
:vaccines as puppies, they're they're pretty well protected
Anthony:
:past seven to 10 years of age.
Anthony:
:So I know we get these little mailers in the in the mail
Anthony:
:and it says, you know, time for your dog's next round.
Anthony:
:And that's just based on every three year, which is which
Anthony:
:was a compromise, not really based on science, but
Speaker3:
:Do your titers make sure that we're
Anthony:
:Not over vaccinating them because that can definitely or
Anthony:
:contribute to
Speaker3:
:The leaky gut. And then lastly, stress
Anthony:
:A lot of things can cause stress in our dogs, you know,
Anthony:
:moving from one place to another, new jobs, new people.
Anthony:
:So I'm not going to really touch on this too much, but just
Anthony:
:making sure you're paying attention to these things because
Anthony:
:they are affecting your dog.
Anthony:
:And I will say that physical
Speaker3:
:Activity is not talked about
Anthony:
:Enough, but it is very important.
Anthony:
:You know, just getting outside for short walks can make a
Anthony:
:huge
Speaker3:
:Difference, you know, making sure they're
Anthony:
:Moving, making sure they're, you know, they're staying
Anthony:
:stimulated and also, you know, just getting some fresh air.
Anthony:
:I'm going to focus on diet because that's that's what I do.
Anthony:
:So. I also think that it's the most important thing when
Anthony:
:we're talking about preventing and also healing leaky
Speaker3:
:Gut, so it's kind of why I chose
Anthony:
:To talk about leaky gut in the first place.
Anthony:
:Processed food, right?
Anthony:
:So I talked about that as being a one of the major players
Anthony:
:or the major culprits in leaky gut kibble is the problem is
Anthony:
:kibble is ultra processed pellets of mostly carbohydrates.
Speaker3:
:Do you think
Anthony:
:That one could really thrive or even survive off these
Anthony:
:poets? Is kind of hard, hard to believe, but Cubana only
Anthony:
:contains extremely high amounts of inflammatory
Anthony:
:carbohydrates, which cause inflammation in the gut.
Anthony:
:But to compound that problem, they also contain genetically
Anthony:
:modified foods. So there is a study done that actually
Anthony:
:showed that 90 percent of dry pet foods on a market contain
Anthony:
:genetically modified food.
Anthony:
:And why this is a problem, particularly when we're talking
Anthony:
:about leaky gut, is because genetically modified foods are
Anthony:
:corn, wheat, soy peas, all these.
Anthony:
:All these different kind of grains and
Speaker3:
:Legumes are genetically
Anthony:
:Modified to be resilient against Roundup or glyphosate,
Anthony:
:which is the active ingredient roundup,
Speaker3:
:Which is a herbicide.
Anthony:
:So what glyphosate does is it actually it doesn't affect
Anthony:
:humans and animals like it does plants.
Anthony:
:But what it does is it it disrupts the what they call the
Anthony:
:mate pathway of plants.
Anthony:
:So the way they absorb nutrients, it doesn't
Speaker3:
:Exactly affect
Anthony:
:Humans necessarily like it does.
Anthony:
:Like the plants, but it does impact the microbes in our
Anthony:
:gut. So because they have similar pathways, so these foods
Anthony:
:are, you know, genetically modified to be resilient against
Anthony:
:glyphosate. And so when they spray these crops with all
Anthony:
:this roundup, it kills everything but that particular crop
Anthony:
:that they're growing right?
Anthony:
:And so they don't have to worry about, you know, weeds and
Anthony:
:other crops popping up.
Anthony:
:So making sure that you're trying to avoid genetically
Anthony:
:modified food, which will be difficult if you're feeding,
Anthony:
:if you're feeding dry food.
Anthony:
:But what I'm really saying is that by eating these
Anthony:
:genetically modified foods that are, you know, obviously
Anthony:
:contaminated with glyphosate in areas, most of the foods
Anthony:
:will be have some level of glyphosate in them.
Anthony:
:You're directly killing the good bacteria, the beneficial
Anthony:
:bacteria in your dog's gut.
Anthony:
:So that obviously is creating the imbalance or a dysbiosis
Anthony:
:in the gut of the good and bad bacteria, which is then
Anthony:
:creating inflammation, which is then creating disease and
Anthony:
:allergies like staying away from processed food.
Anthony:
:Moving to raw food is, you know, or even just fresh food
Speaker3:
:Is going to be incredibly
Anthony:
:Beneficial for. I mean, not only for a dog's guts, but also
Anthony:
:for us. It's also important to mention that the gut
Anthony:
:contains over 80 percent of the immune system.
Anthony:
:So by destroying the microbiome with with processed food,
Anthony:
:creating this leaky gut situation, you're actually creating
Anthony:
:fertile ground for chronic disease.
Anthony:
:So bcd, cancer, behavioral issues, you know, I think that's
Anthony:
:really important to talk about as well.
Anthony:
:I mean, 90 percent of of serotonin is created in the gut.
Anthony:
:Serotonin is defined as a key hormone that stabilizes mood,
Anthony:
:feelings of well-being and happiness.
Anthony:
:So, you know, the gut is is incredibly, incredibly
Anthony:
:important. And this is really just the tip of the iceberg.
Anthony:
:I mean, processed food kibble is what I'm specifically
Anthony:
:talking about. Often contain levels of aflatoxins mites,
Anthony:
:denatured proteins, high amounts of species, inappropriate
Anthony:
:foods like grain starches, carbohydrates and all these
Anthony:
:chemical stressors are adding to your pet's guts,
Anthony:
:inflammation and the dysbiosis that's going on there.
Anthony:
:So what can you do?
Anthony:
:What can you do as a pet owner to kind of either prevent or
Anthony:
:help if your dog already has or is affected by leaky gut
Anthony:
:feeding a fresh, whole food diet that's going to be low in
Anthony:
:carbohydrates ones that are using low glycemic
Anthony:
:carbohydrates like, you know, green leafy vegetables,
Anthony:
:spinach, kale, broccoli, things like that so that it's not
Anthony:
:inflaming the gut. And that is also Species Appropriate raw
Anthony:
:foods. They're highly digestible.
Anthony:
:They naturally contain beneficial bacteria and also enzymes
Anthony:
:that help break itself down and also help feed the gut
Anthony:
:microbiome to keep it strong.
Anthony:
:Keep it healthy, keep it diverse and strong.
Anthony:
:So feeding a fresh, whole food diet is obviously going to
Anthony:
:be really, really beneficial in preventing and also healing
Anthony:
:leaky gut. Now we'll say with a with a pet that already has
Anthony:
:leaky gut, it's best to do this slowly because things can
Anthony:
:get worse if you're going to change their diet up.
Anthony:
:So we always kind of do a slow approach if we know that
Anthony:
:this is if the dog is definitely struggling with some gut
Anthony:
:issues. Pre and probiotics are really I could probably do a
Anthony:
:whole nother podcast on this.
Anthony:
:They're really important. I mean, obviously we're talking
Anthony:
:about dysbiosis, an imbalance in the gut of good and bad
Anthony:
:bacteria. So adding some some beneficial bacteria can be
Anthony:
:really, really helpful.
Anthony:
:You know, at the shop we sell adored beast premium.
Anthony:
:Probiotics, in my opinion, are the best.
Anthony:
:There are about 30 billion cups, which are it's a lot of
Anthony:
:colony forming units.
Anthony:
:I would say if you're looking at probiotics, they should at
Anthony:
:least be over 10 10 billion.
Anthony:
:There's some out there That are way, way less so.
Anthony:
:It's important to look at durables also, they also use 14
Anthony:
:different strands of canine Derived probiotics,
Anthony:
:So obviously really beneficial for the canine specifically
Anthony:
:and also helps keep their gut diverse using, you know, 14
Anthony:
:different strands, which is awesome.
Anthony:
:And then they use prebiotics to help feed the probiotics
Anthony:
:once they're in the gut, keep them there, keep them strong.
Anthony:
:Keep them healthy. Besides transitioning to a more fresh
Anthony:
:food whole food diet, we kind of touched on these a little
Anthony:
:bit before. But, you know, limiting medications if
Anthony:
:possible. You know, this is obviously something you want to
Anthony:
:do. You know, working with your vet but limiting
Anthony:
:medications, you know, maybe putting a pin in some
Anthony:
:medications that aren't necessarily necessary at the moment
Anthony:
:as we're trying to heal, the gut can obviously be
Anthony:
:beneficial. Feeding a fresh raw food diet, obviously going
Anthony:
:to help avoiding vaccines for a period of time or
Anthony:
:tightening. Like I said, we did a previous episode about
Anthony:
:this, but vaccines vaccines can definitely disrupt the the
Anthony:
:gut microbiome. So it's important to at least when we're
Anthony:
:trying to heal the gut to kind of put a pin in those for
Anthony:
:the time being and then exercise.
Anthony:
:I mean, you'd be surprised how far that that can go.
Anthony:
:Diet and exercise, we preach this a lot, but I think it's,
Anthony:
:you know, they're both inexpensive and, you know, pretty
Anthony:
:easy to to accomplish.
Anthony:
:We talk about this or I say this a lot in shop, but
Anthony:
:investing in diets or in their diet now is a proactive
Anthony:
:investment that will help you save a lot of money in the
Anthony:
:long run by keeping them strong and healthy.
Anthony:
:I take Mozzie to the vet.
Anthony:
:He's 10 years old. I take him to the vet twice a year, and
Anthony:
:I really only do that because I get him tested for
Anthony:
:microflora twice a year.
Anthony:
:So, you know, if it wasn't for that, he probably wouldn't.
Anthony:
:I guess he'd go and once a year for a blood panel just to
Anthony:
:make sure everything's good. But you know, I do my best to
Anthony:
:to give him the best food there is and keep him, keep him
Anthony:
:strong, keep him healthy. My emphasis for his health is is
Anthony:
:going to be on his gut. So I feed, you know, obviously I
Anthony:
:feed a fresh food diet.
Anthony:
:I feed raw food. They do a lot of fermented raw food that
Anthony:
:has a lot of good probiotics in there.
Anthony:
:And then I'll add a lot of, like I said, I had a lot of the
Anthony:
:adored Beast products.
Anthony:
:They have different lines of different probiotics, healthy
Anthony:
:gut, gut soothe love bugs.
Anthony:
:So I keep it really diverse and making sure that he's
Anthony:
:getting some really good, good, beneficial bacteria in his
Anthony:
:gut because I know it's, you know, it's obviously an
Anthony:
:upfront cost, but I know it's it's good for him and it
Anthony:
:makes him feel better. And I know it's going to save a lot
Anthony:
:of money for me in the long run, just by keeping him
Anthony:
:healthy, keeping his gut strong.
Anthony:
:And I think that's where everyone's emphasis should be.
Anthony:
:As far as just the general health of your of your pet is is
Anthony:
:making sure you're focusing on the gut because that is that
Anthony:
:is the foundation of health.
Anthony:
:I mean, a lot of times we see this in a shop a lot.
Anthony:
:Once we heal the gut, everything seems to kind of fall in
Anthony:
:place. And if it doesn't, you know, it really helps build a
Anthony:
:cell, a solid foundation of health that you can build on
Anthony:
:and that, you know, allow the body to heal itself and other
Anthony:
:places. So I hope this helped.
Anthony:
:I know there's a lot of pet parents out there struggling to
Anthony:
:find out what's what's going on with your, what's going on
Anthony:
:with your pet and all these ailments.
Anthony:
:And they kind of are starting to compound and you're trying
Anthony:
:to figure it all out.
Anthony:
:I think starting with a gut is is key.
Anthony:
:It's really, really important.
Speaker3:
:You can't say it enough.
Anthony:
:Create a solid foundation of health by by healing the gut,
Anthony:
:and that will give you the ability to heal other ailments
Anthony:
:from there.
Anthony:
:And. All right,
Danielle:
:Anthony, this week we have a customer's question, what is
Danielle:
:the difference between feeding out of a bull versus a lick
Danielle:
:mat?
Anthony:
:The great question, we get this a lot.
Anthony:
:We sell, we sell.
Anthony:
:This isn't an advertisement for my pet platter, but it is
Anthony:
:one of my favorite products we have in the shop.
Anthony:
:Just because I've seen a difference, it's made it for a lot
Anthony:
:of different dogs. Sometimes we focus a lot on on what
Anthony:
:we're feeding the dogs, and we're not focusing enough on
Anthony:
:how they're eating it.
Anthony:
:And I've kind of learned this, you know, just having just
Anthony:
:being in the shop and discovering it with some other dogs.
Anthony:
:But the mind pip pet platter is really cool.
Anthony:
:So the bull, the bull again.
Anthony:
:So the bull was developed just like kibble was out of
Anthony:
:convenience for us.
Anthony:
:So, you know, scoop paw feed.
Anthony:
:Super simple problem with the bull is, is that there's a
Anthony:
:lot of problems with the bull, but one is that the dog
Anthony:
:actually uses their bottom jaw to scoop food up against the
Anthony:
:side of the bull, which creates them a kind of forces them
Anthony:
:to gulp the food down, along with a whole bunch of air so
Anthony:
:it can cause some indigestion and bloat and some other
Anthony:
:issues. So that's, you know, one of the problems.
Anthony:
:Another one is that it cuts off their peripheral.
Anthony:
:So once their head is down in the bull, like you don't
Anthony:
:believe me, stick your head down in a bowl.
Anthony:
:Hey, cuts off all your peripheral vision so you don't know
Anthony:
:what's coming at you. And for a dog, that's really
Anthony:
:important. They have no.
Anthony:
:Three six, you have no view of what's happening.
Anthony:
:It just blinds them.
Anthony:
:So this can cause aggression.
Anthony:
:You know, food aggression, resource gardening, things like
Anthony:
:that. And then the bull also can be really loud.
Anthony:
:I mean, the dog's teeth hitting the the bull or their
Anthony:
:collar hitting the bull.
Anthony:
:You know, dogs have really sensitive hearing, so it can
Anthony:
:cause a lot of anxiety and stress on them when they're
Anthony:
:eating up a bull for that reason as well.
Anthony:
:So or maybe all three so feeding off of a platter is really
Anthony:
:cool because it I mean, it does a lot of things, but it it
Anthony:
:has a moat around the the edge of it, which really helps.
Anthony:
:Like if you pour goat milk on on top of the food like it,
Anthony:
:you know, dogs can look up around the edge.
Anthony:
:It really helps entice those, those instincts that they
Anthony:
:have to kind of forage and search and use their sense of
Anthony:
:smell, and it's really stimulating for them.
Anthony:
:But it also slows them down quite a bit because you're kind
Anthony:
:of, you know, putting the food on a flat surface, you know,
Anthony:
:and so they're looking they're using their their tongue in
Anthony:
:their incisors, which actually when they when they lick
Anthony:
:things, it helps release endorphins and their brain to calm
Anthony:
:them down. It's just the natural way for them to eat.
Anthony:
:You know, you think about dogs in the wild like they're not
Anthony:
:or wild canines is like they're not eating out of bulls,
Anthony:
:right? They're just eating off of a flat surface.
Anthony:
:And it's also their posture is something that's really
Anthony:
:important to their posture.
Anthony:
:When they're eating off of a platter is much more natural
Anthony:
:than it is when they're eating out of a bowl, which can
Anthony:
:really help you know, when they when it's eating, when
Anthony:
:they're eating out off the platter.
Anthony:
:It's a more natural posture which helps them digest their
Anthony:
:food better. I've also seen a lot of these, like slow
Anthony:
:feeders that can have some really like protruding things
Speaker3:
:On them, like
Anthony:
:These little tentacles and stuff like that.
Anthony:
:The problem with that is that dogs actually have really
Anthony:
:sensitive noses.
Anthony:
:It's like the most sensitive part of their body.
Anthony:
:So with these things, I've seen dogs walk away from those
Anthony:
:because it hurts.
Anthony:
:It hurts to eat. So why would they do that?
Anthony:
:But the pet platter, it doesn't have that.
Anthony:
:It's just there's like little divots and then the moat that
Anthony:
:goes around the edge. So it's it's just really stimulating.
Anthony:
:It's really it's been life changing for a lot of our
Anthony:
:customers dogs, so I can't recommend that enough.
Anthony:
:It's also made here in the U.S.
Anthony:
:It's not toxic.
Speaker3:
:It's made out of cellulose,
Anthony:
:Which is a natural plant fiber.
Anthony:
:And it's not porous.
Anthony:
:It's dishwasher safe.
Anthony:
:It's just really easy to clean.
Anthony:
:We've been using ours for both.
Anthony:
:Our dogs are probably three years now, maybe longer.
Speaker3:
:Four years. Yeah, they're super
Anthony:
:Hardy like they.
Anthony:
:I just I feel like they're going to last a super
Speaker3:
:Long time, but they're great.
Anthony:
:Dogs love them. We love them.
Anthony:
:It's super easy.
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