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Matt Edmundson:Jan's here.
Matt Edmundson:Jan's in the house.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So your second week with
Jan Burch:us.
Jan Burch:It is.
Jan Burch:Thanks for having
Matt Edmundson:me back.
Matt Edmundson:You came back.
Matt Edmundson:After last week you came back.
Matt Edmundson:You weren't like totally put off.
Jan Burch:No.
Jan Burch:Only a little bit.
Jan Burch:Okay, we'll try
Matt Edmundson:harder this week.
Matt Edmundson:We'll definitely try harder.
Matt Edmundson:Andy, how you doing?
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Matt Edmundson:How's your week
Jan Burch:been?
Jan Burch:Yeah, I've had a, an okay week, quite busy with work and various
Jan Burch:things, all yeah, all right.
Jan Burch:Show was okay?
Matt Edmundson:Yes.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, it was.
Matt Edmundson:No, it was very good, actually.
Matt Edmundson:It's gone by very quick.
Matt Edmundson:It felt like we were here yesterday.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I know.
Jan Burch:It's crazy, isn't it?
Jan Burch:I
Matt Edmundson:know, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:You're just like, oh, have I left this place?
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Matt Edmundson:Andy says hello, Jan, by the way.
Jan Burch:Hello.
Jan Burch:Hello, Andy.
Jan Burch:Can you read that without your glasses?
Jan Burch:Yeah, I can.
Jan Burch:I can see distance, fine, it's closer.
Jan Burch:It's
Matt Edmundson:just close up.
Matt Edmundson:It's close up.
Matt Edmundson:So yes, a very warm welcome to you if you're just joining us.
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Matt Edmundson:Today we have got the Right Reverend John Harding talking with us.
Matt Edmundson:In case you don't know, John is, what do we, why don't you tell people who John is?
Matt Edmundson:John
Jan Burch:is a Senior Pastor of Frontline Church.
Jan Burch:www.
Jan Burch:crowdchurch.
Jan Burch:org and he's been a member of the church for many years.
Jan Burch:And he, yeah, leads the whole team there and he's great.
Jan Burch:He's a legend, isn't he?
Jan Burch:He is, he's brilliant.
Jan Burch:He's a legend.
Jan Burch:Yeah, great teacher.
Jan Burch:grEat what?
Matt Edmundson:Teacher.
Jan Burch:I don't mean school, he was a school teacher.
Jan Burch:He was a school teacher yeah.
Jan Burch:He teaches.
Jan Burch:The word very
Matt Edmundson:He does teach it very well.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, we got John sharing the word with us.
Matt Edmundson:So he's going to be talking from the book of Acts, which is a book.
Matt Edmundson:We have been working our way through over the last forever.
Matt Edmundson:It feels I don't even know where we are today.
Matt Edmundson:I think chap's 20 somewhere around there.
Matt Edmundson:We've got five or six more weeks.
Matt Edmundson:I think in the book of Acts I could be wrong.
Matt Edmundson:I think we go to the end of January.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to have a slight break over Christmas.
Matt Edmundson:And then we'll start on our new series.
Matt Edmundson:Which we're still thinking of the title for, but we're going to be talking
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Matt Edmundson:spiritually, um, economically, all that kind of stuff, relationally, yeah, a
Matt Edmundson:lot of stuff we're going to get into, which I'm really looking forward to.
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Matt Edmundson:she's just an absolute legend, Judy.
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Matt Edmundson:I don't know either.
Matt Edmundson:I just don't know.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, but so we've got John Harding.
Matt Edmundson:After John Harding
Jan Burch:Nicola said, Good morning, Nicola.
Matt Edmundson:Maybe for some people around the world, it is in fact morning.
Matt Edmundson:It is.
Matt Edmundson:I can put that to the broadcasters to confuse everybody.
Matt Edmundson:mOrning, Lala.
Matt Edmundson:Ah,
Jan Burch:Julie Connolly, hi.
Jan Burch:Look at that, Julie's joined us.
Jan Burch:Hi, Julie.
Jan Burch:Welcome back home.
Jan Burch:Is Julie back now?
Jan Burch:She's been in India,
Matt Edmundson:hasn't she?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I don't know if she's still over there.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think they're
Jan Burch:home
Matt Edmundson:now.
Matt Edmundson:Okay, if you're actually welcome, I hope it was good in India.
Matt Edmundson:I know, I still thought they were over there, but maybe
Matt Edmundson:they're watching this in India.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:Anyway, wherever you are in the world watching this great to see you.
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Matt Edmundson:So without further ado, we're going to get into John's talk.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, Julie says amazing.
Jan Burch:The photos, the pictures were amazing.
Matt Edmundson:Do you want to tell people what Julie did?
Matt Edmundson:I don't,
Jan Burch:I don't know fully 100%, but I think she was with a team, Fliss
Jan Burch:was there, in India, and they were, Do you know what I mean, Matt Crew,
Jan Burch:Diocese, Prayer, Conversation Street, Holcombe, Origin, Origins, Liverpool,
Jan Burch:Frontline Church, Jesus Christ, eCommerce
Matt Edmundson:Podcast, EP.
Matt Edmundson:It's very nice that happened.
Matt Edmundson:So yeah, we got back on track.
Matt Edmundson:We've got John doing the word.
Matt Edmundson:After John has taught I think his talk is about 15, 16 minutes long
Matt Edmundson:from memory, something like that.
Matt Edmundson:Anyway, after when, however long he's chatting for, we'll be back, John
Matt Edmundson:and I will be back for Conversation Street, where we're going to go
Matt Edmundson:through your questions or comments.
Matt Edmundson:in the feed and we're going to chat about we're going to talk about
Matt Edmundson:the talk is what we're going to do.
Matt Edmundson:Do throw your questions in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:Be great to hear what you've got to say.
Matt Edmundson:So I'm going to push this button on my pads and John and I'll be back directly.
Matt Edmundson:We'll see
John Harding:you soon.
John Harding:Hi there, Crowd Church.
John Harding:I want to share some thoughts with you today from Acts chapter 20.
John Harding:And I'd really encourage you to listen to this talk with a Bible open.
John Harding:Maybe even read Acts 20, the chapter after you've listened to this talk,
John Harding:just to help you really take hold of what God might be wanting to say to you
John Harding:today through the text through his word.
John Harding:Let me just overview.
John Harding:The chapter really quickly, just to place it into its context, you've got Paul, the
John Harding:Apostle Paul, he is travelling around on mission through Israel, modern day Turkey,
John Harding:into Greece, onto Rome, and as he does he goes everywhere preaching the Gospel.
John Harding:People are becoming Christians.
John Harding:He's gathering those new Christian believers together and starting
John Harding:new churches, new communities.
John Harding:He's training up new leaders for those churches and then as you go through
John Harding:Acts you see he goes back to those communities from time to further
John Harding:encourage and develop the leaders.
John Harding:That's Acts, and then he's writing letters to those churches to help them,
John Harding:and they are called the Epistles, books in the New Testament like Ephesians,
John Harding:Corinthians, Philippians, that he's writing back into those emerging church
John Harding:communities, and the main point that I want to make here Today from Acts 20 is
John Harding:that Christianity, spiritual development, spiritual growth, is a relational thing.
John Harding:It's relational.
John Harding:It's something that we do better together and that comes across
John Harding:really strongly in Acts 20.
John Harding:I'll explain why in just a moment, but this is one of the things I love about
John Harding:what we're doing here with Crowd Church.
John Harding:In this modern world, A person could, if they wanted to, they could try
John Harding:and develop and grow spiritually entirely on their own in isolation.
John Harding:You could go online, you could find loads of sermons and teachings by people
John Harding:you don't know, and you could never interact with other Christians, you
John Harding:could get it all beamed into your home.
John Harding:But that is not what we're trying to do through Crowd and Online Church.
John Harding:What we're trying to do is find ways of connecting.
John Harding:Together, growing together, and my goal is not that people would listen to this talk.
John Harding:My hope is that you'd listen to this talk and then connect with others in
John Harding:working out what it means to apply it to your life and to live it.
John Harding:tHis chapter, Acts 20, is so relational.
John Harding:In the previous chapter, Acts 19, Paul has been in Ephesus, modern day Turkey,
John Harding:and he has basically caused a riot.
John Harding:He's escaped for his life.
John Harding:And now he's travelling through Macedonia, through Greece, onto his way.
John Harding:And the first thing I want you to notice about this chapter and about
John Harding:the relationships in this chapter is that as Paul journeys through
John Harding:life, he takes people with him.
John Harding:He walks through life with people.
John Harding:And there's this list of people in verse 4 that Paul is journeying with,
John Harding:people who Paul is investing in as he travels, Sopater, Gaius, and of course
John Harding:Luke, who's writing everything down when he says we, he's talking about
John Harding:himself and Paul, and those others.
John Harding:And so we all need a few people who we are journeying through life with.
John Harding:I wonder who you would name in your list as Luke names in Paul's list.
John Harding:The second thing I want you to know is about this chapter and
John Harding:about the relationships in this chapter is that everywhere Paul
John Harding:goes he is encouraging people.
John Harding:Verse 1 says he encouraged the disciples.
John Harding:Verse 2 says he traveled through the area speaking many words
John Harding:of encouragement to the people.
John Harding:If you want to build good friendships, good relationships, speak words of
John Harding:encouragement and life to people.
John Harding:Don't be one of those people who are always moaning, always
John Harding:complaining, because, people don't really want to journey through
John Harding:life with people who are like that.
John Harding:Speak words of hope, speak words of encouragement, speak words of
John Harding:blessing to those people around you.
John Harding:Yes, be open, be honest, but make sure that you are investing
John Harding:more into the relationship.
John Harding:So I wonder, if you were to do a little audit of your speech, if someone was
John Harding:to record your speech, what you say to others, would your speech be characterised
John Harding:by encouragement and blessing, or by discouragement or discouragement?
John Harding:So then, through chapter 20, as we hit verse 17, Paul stops his journey
John Harding:for a while in a place called Miletus.
John Harding:And Paul sends for the leaders of the Ephesian church to come to meet him there.
John Harding:Because he wants to meet them, but he can't go back to Ephesus safely because...
John Harding:He caused a riot the last time that he was there.
John Harding:So he gathers those leaders to himself.
John Harding:Relational.
John Harding:And in Acts 20, we read Paul's words to those leaders.
John Harding:They are incredible words.
John Harding:I wish I had time to unpack them with you, I'd encourage you to read those
John Harding:words that Paul speaks to that team of leaders, he says to them, verse 18, You
John Harding:have seen how I lived when I was with you.
John Harding:And that is really important, how I lived.
John Harding:Because in the Christian faith we learn more through imitation.
John Harding:Learn in community, learn in relationship, I'm not really
John Harding:interested in how much someone knows.
John Harding:I'm interested in how they live, how it's applied to their life,
John Harding:the difference that it makes.
John Harding:juSt a thought, but I wonder, what lessons are people learning from you,
John Harding:from the way that you live your life?
John Harding:Now, it is clear from chapter 20 that Paul...
John Harding:Paul has a pretty good idea that this is going to be the last
John Harding:time he speaks to these leaders.
John Harding:Verse 38, those leaders realise that they may never see Paul again.
John Harding:So when we read it, we can read it as some of Paul's last words.
John Harding:That's how, in his mind, he intended it, to speak to them, his last words.
John Harding:And so I just want to focus on those words from verse 28, chapter 20, verse 28.
John Harding:Paul says to these leaders, keep watch over yourselves.
John Harding:And all the flock.
John Harding:Now, flock is a relational term, isn't it?
John Harding:That's why I say in this passage, it is relational.
John Harding:The Christian faith is relational.
John Harding:As we enter into a relationship with Jesus, we become part of a flock.
John Harding:We have a relationship with others.
John Harding:We then have to find a flock, a community, a church, a place
John Harding:of refuge that we can belong.
John Harding:But notice that Paul says...
John Harding:Watch over yourselves and all the flock.
John Harding:In other words, as leaders, we have to lead ourselves well first.
John Harding:That is the first level of leadership.
John Harding:That's what I'm looking for when I'm looking to develop leaders.
John Harding:Someone who leads themselves well.
John Harding:Those levels of leadership, leading self, leading others.
John Harding:And how many leaders do we see that can seemingly lead others well?
John Harding:They can seemingly lead organisations into impacts and growth, but
John Harding:then later on we discover they hadn't kept watch over themselves,
John Harding:they hadn't led themselves well.
John Harding:Leadership starts with self leadership.
John Harding:And Paul then reminds those leaders, actually, it's not their flock.
John Harding:They don't own the flock.
John Harding:The church community, it is Jesus church.
John Harding:It is Jesus flock.
John Harding:He is the chief shepherd, the good shepherd.
John Harding:As a church leader, I find that so liberating, so freeing, that
John Harding:as leaders, we just steward and care for what belongs to you.
John Harding:By the way, verse 28 also reminds us of the cost of this flock.
John Harding:This flock is precious because he bought it with his own blood.
John Harding:There was a cost to being part of his flock.
John Harding:Verse 29, Paul then talks about the savage wolves who attack the flock.
John Harding:Now, this is nothing to be scared of, there's no fear for us
John Harding:because our good shepherd Jesus guards us and watches over us.
John Harding:But it is a warning to us.
John Harding:And this is again about relationship, it's about belonging.
John Harding:I as a sheep in God's flock, I'm prone to get disconnected.
John Harding:I'm prone to go about...
John Harding:My own way I'm prone to wander.
John Harding:It's what sheep do now, that is the sort of sheep that the wolf,
John Harding:the sat, that Satan is looking for.
John Harding:Easy pickings, that one sheep that gets separated and disconnected from the flock.
John Harding:So don't let fence, don't let church hurt.
John Harding:Don't let pride.
John Harding:Don't let unforgiveness, don't let consumerism and preference, don't
John Harding:let it disconnect you from the flock.
John Harding:Stay connected in relationship with other believers.
John Harding:Now I'm going to finish in just a moment.
John Harding:I'm keeping it short, not least because in the middle of the
John Harding:chapter is the story of Eutychus.
John Harding:Paul preached right through the night into the morning.
John Harding:And in the morning, Utica fell asleep and he fell off a third
John Harding:story window and he died.
John Harding:And Paul, very much in the imitation of Jesus, he imitates
John Harding:Jesus, Elijah and Elisha, and he raised the boy back to life.
John Harding:In fact, he uses the very same words that Jesus had used when
John Harding:Jesus had raised Jairus's daughter.
John Harding:So actually, if anything, this passage affirms long sermons.
John Harding:As long as those long sermons are accompanied by a demonstration
John Harding:of the Spirit's power.
John Harding:No one cares how long the preacher preaches for if someone gets
John Harding:raised from the dead, do they?
John Harding:That all night preaching, it does help me to land on my last point, and it's this.
John Harding:Paul grafted, Paul served the Lord with all of his energy, Paul worked hard not
John Harding:to earn his salvation, not to earn God's favour, he wasn't striving, he wasn't
John Harding:some sort of self serving workaholic, no, he loved the Lord, and he loved people,
John Harding:and he wanted people to be brought into relationship with Jesus, into relationship
John Harding:with others, the church, the flock, Paul's work, his labour, I would say, reflexed
John Harding:out of his relationship with Jesus.
John Harding:It reflexed out of God's grace that was abounding to him and at work in his life.
John Harding:If I'm honest, one of my concerns about modern Western Christianity is
John Harding:that we give the impression that...
John Harding:We should put our effort and our energy into ourselves, into self
John Harding:development, spiritual formation.
John Harding:It's a bit of a pendulum swing from previous generations and
John Harding:now we've discovered Sabbath.
John Harding:I'm just resting in the Lord.
John Harding:I'm just Sabbathing, a permanent Sabbath rest.
John Harding:Don't ask anything of me.
John Harding:But actually what we see in the earliest church in Acts is that the joy, the
John Harding:energy, the transformation personally.
John Harding:came as those first believers sought to seek first the kingdom of God.
John Harding:As they built the kingdom, as they extended the kingdom, as they
John Harding:sowed into and invested into the lives of others, that's where the
John Harding:joint transformation was found.
John Harding:And this is the dynamic that we see here in chapter 20, and in Paul's
John Harding:final words to them, verse 35.
John Harding:And Paul says to them, he says, It says everything that I did, all the hard
John Harding:work, all the serving of the week, it was all done in response to Jesus words.
John Harding:That it is more blessed to give than to receive.
John Harding:It's more blessed to give than to receive.
John Harding:There is a greater joy, a greater happiness, a greater satisfaction,
John Harding:a greater transformation that comes through the giving of ourselves.
John Harding:In loving service of King Jesus.
John Harding:Now usually when you preach a message like that I've found people like to
John Harding:qualify it and balance it out and say, Ah yes, that's right John, but you
John Harding:need healthy boundaries, don't get burnt out, which is absolutely true.
John Harding:It's correct.
John Harding:And as we read earlier, shepherds...
John Harding:Take care of yourself first and then the flock.
John Harding:But I want my final points here to be this that Paul calls us
John Harding:into observation and imitation.
John Harding:It's about observation and imitation of a way of life.
John Harding:Who are you observing?
John Harding:When I observe the lives of the healthiest, happiest, most fulfilled
John Harding:people I know, I see people...
John Harding:Really, who are truly living out those words of Jesus, they have discovered
John Harding:that it is more blessed to give Than to receive people who serve.
John Harding:So Acts 20, relationships.
John Harding:Who are you speaking words of encouragement to?
John Harding:Who are you journeying through life with?
John Harding:Who are you caring for and who are you serving?
John Harding:Amen.
Matt Edmundson:So welcome back.
Matt Edmundson:John was pretty good.
Matt Edmundson:. I enjoyed that talk.
Matt Edmundson:Have you got lots of notes?
Matt Edmundson:I saw you doing this with your glasses, so I'm just like,
Jan Burch:I'm going to read them now.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:I've just got to get my head around the notes.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you, Mr.
Matt Edmundson:Harding.
Matt Edmundson:That was fantastic.
Matt Edmundson:It was.
Matt Edmundson:Really encouraging.
Matt Edmundson:Very challenging.
Matt Edmundson:And yeah, before we get into that, let me just catch up with the comments here.
Matt Edmundson:So we have got Anna Kettle saying, lovely to see you.
Matt Edmundson:Thank you, Anna.
Matt Edmundson:And as a legend, she's one of the hosts on the show.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's not a show, is it?
Matt Edmundson:It's a church service, I don't know.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, Friday night live.
Matt Edmundson:I do podcasts, other podcasts, hence the reason I keep calling,
Matt Edmundson:sometimes I call this one a show.
Matt Edmundson:Actually, sometimes I call the other podcast online church services,
Matt Edmundson:which is completely not true at all.
Matt Edmundson:So it's, maybe it's an age thing, I'm just getting a bit mixed up.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think so.
Matt Edmundson:We've got Miriam in the comments, who's watching from Scarborough.
Matt Edmundson:Scarborough.
Matt Edmundson:Scarborough, she's on holiday in Scarborough.
Matt Edmundson:Actually, I went to Scarborough when I was a kid yeah, as a holiday.
Matt Edmundson:I've really good memories of it as well.
Matt Edmundson:And yeah, so much so I've not wanted to go since.
Matt Edmundson:Just because I don't want to destroy the memory, if that makes sense.
Matt Edmundson:Scarborough Fair.
Matt Edmundson:Scarborough Fair.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, Nicola's put in the comments, I love being in the crowd flock.
Matt Edmundson:John obviously used the word flock a lot.
Matt Edmundson:We're going to get into that.
Matt Edmundson:But Nicholas put that I'd have been part of the crowd flock
Matt Edmundson:and I just replied, actually, I think that's maybe the new name.
Matt Edmundson:We'll change it from Crowd Church to Crowd Flock.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:crowdflock.
Matt Edmundson:com No, we're not going to, not at all.
Matt Edmundson:So got Isaac in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:Hello, Pastor.
Matt Edmundson:Greetings to you.
Matt Edmundson:Please pray for my orphanage home for food and water.
Matt Edmundson:I think Isaac's from Africa, actually.
Matt Edmundson:So Isaac, good to see you.
Matt Edmundson:And God's blessing on your orphanage.
Matt Edmundson:It's going on there.
Matt Edmundson:Andy liked the bit about investing in relationships, otherwise relationships
Matt Edmundson:might not be mutually balanced.
Matt Edmundson:Very good.
Matt Edmundson:So we're going to get into all of this.
Matt Edmundson:Keep your comments coming and any questions that you've got based on
Matt Edmundson:John's any questions, full stop, really.
Matt Edmundson:We'll try and answer them, unless it's what are the latest lottery numbers, in
Matt Edmundson:which case it'll be a complete guess.
Matt Edmundson:But yeah, keep your questions, keep your comments coming as
Matt Edmundson:we're going to get into it.
Matt Edmundson:Because there was a lot there.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, there was.
Matt Edmundson:What's in your notes?
Matt Edmundson:What's top of your notes?
Jan Burch:What have I put in, just about how Christianity is
Jan Burch:first and foremost, relational.
Jan Burch:Yes.
Jan Burch:It's not just an intellectual faith.
Matt Edmundson:No, it's not a solo sport either, is it?
Matt Edmundson:No, it's about people.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it is totally about people.
Matt Edmundson:And that's important because I think quite often society at the
Matt Edmundson:moment is super isolated, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:Super, super, I don't know if you've noticed this in your job, Jen, actually.
Matt Edmundson:But it's, I think it's so isolated at the moment and it's just
Matt Edmundson:we've become conditioned to it.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:And I think it's just not, it's not what God intended really.
Matt Edmundson:No it's not that kind of isolated solo sport thing going on.
Matt Edmundson:You need to be part of a team really, part of a community.
Matt Edmundson:I think there's meaning in that, I think there's purpose in that, and I think it's
Matt Edmundson:part of God's design is to be with people.
Matt Edmundson:There's protection in that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, which John talked about actually in his talk.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:So that whole protection side of things.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, so it is relational.
Matt Edmundson:Christianity is relational.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's about being in a relationship with people.
Matt Edmundson:What else have you got in there?
Jan Burch:Just about how, When he walked, when Paul walked through life with others,
Jan Burch:he was investing and choosing people to journey with, and I think sometimes we
Jan Burch:can focus on our jobs, we can focus on our family primarily and not really pay
Jan Burch:much attention to who we're journeying with outside of those relationships.
Jan Burch:I think it's really important.
Jan Burch:I remember Nick Harding once saying that you become like those you spend time with.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:And that's so true, isn't it?
Jan Burch:That we have to be intentional, I think about who we journey with.
Matt Edmundson:What does, what do you, what does that
Matt Edmundson:mean though, to be intentional?
Jan Burch:I think choosing your friends I think what I mean by that is the people
Jan Burch:that we trust with, with things with us, with our lives that we open up to that
Jan Burch:we live beside and who we socialize with.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:I think.
Jan Burch:It's important that we are careful in that.
Jan Burch:In, in work, actually, you can't choose those, your colleagues.
Jan Burch:But out of work, I think you can.
Jan Burch:And I think it's important to be with people who encourage, who are kind,
Jan Burch:who are loving, and who are honest.
Jan Burch:What do you
Matt Edmundson:think, Matt?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I agree.
Matt Edmundson:I think, we connect with all kinds of people, don't we?
Matt Edmundson:Throughout our lifetime and we create close bonds and friendships with people.
Matt Edmundson:And we journey through life together with them.
Matt Edmundson:And I think for me, this whole intentionality thing I have a thing in
Matt Edmundson:my diary like half an hour scheduled a couple of times a week where I'm
Matt Edmundson:just like, during this time, reach out to, and I have a list of people
Matt Edmundson:because if I don't connect with them and it might just be a simple text
Matt Edmundson:or an email, like I might email Andy or I might send a text to Nicola or
Matt Edmundson:whatever and go, Hey, how you doing?
Matt Edmundson:Just checking in and it's just part of my routine where I have different
Matt Edmundson:people and I have a little calendar reminder just to remind me, Oh, if
Matt Edmundson:you've not heard from these people, just check in with them, connecting with
Matt Edmundson:them for a little bit, because I think it's so easy to get disconnected from
Matt Edmundson:people that we should stay connected.
Matt Edmundson:With right.
Matt Edmundson:I know Sharon does this, for example, with my mum, she's really good
Matt Edmundson:at staying connected with my mum.
Matt Edmundson:And she has a little calendar reminder to call my mum and say, howdy doody.
Matt Edmundson:And I think there are people that we are friends with that to be intentional
Matt Edmundson:in that relationship, whether it's a friendship, whether it's my marriage,
Matt Edmundson:whether it's people at church, where actually I have to reach out
Matt Edmundson:because it's easy not to do that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:In the current world in which we live.
Jan Burch:Definitely.
Jan Burch:Yeah, definitely.
Jan Burch:I I 100 percent agree.
Jan Burch:And I think even if it means that we have to write things on a calendar to remind
Jan Burch:ourselves then so be it, it's not that out of sight, out of mind, particularly, it's
Jan Burch:just that our lives are so busy and, we just don't think about, or we don't always
Jan Burch:make the effort to, it's not that we don't care, it's just, our lives are too busy.
Jan Burch:So I think having reminders to do those things is
Matt Edmundson:brilliant.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:I'll tell you, it works for me.
Matt Edmundson:I'm not saying it's for everybody.
Matt Edmundson:I'm just saying it works for me.
Matt Edmundson:And I know there's, the past couple of days there's a family that I
Matt Edmundson:know that's just been on my mind.
Matt Edmundson:I've been praying for them.
Matt Edmundson:And I keep thinking to myself, oh, I must give him a ring.
Matt Edmundson:. You know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:I must give him a call and then something happens.
Matt Edmundson:I know.
Matt Edmundson:And it, and then I don't And it and you.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And I can sit here and think actually, I've been saying that
Matt Edmundson:to myself for the last few days.
Matt Edmundson:And if I'm not careful, I won't do it.
Matt Edmundson:So I have to make a note.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:To do that, right?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Who have you not reached out to recently?
Matt Edmundson:Who do you need to connect with?
Matt Edmundson:Just send a text message or an email or give him a ring.
Matt Edmundson:To say, Hey, howdy doody.
Matt Edmundson:It's great to connect with you.
Matt Edmundson:I'm just checking in.
Matt Edmundson:What are you saying to them?
Jan Burch:Howdy doody.
Jan Burch:What's that?
Matt Edmundson:Do you not know the phrase?
Matt Edmundson:Howdy doody?
Matt Edmundson:Of course I do.
Matt Edmundson:I just,
Jan Burch:it's a very bizarre thing to say.
Jan Burch:Howdy, if you said that to me, I'd be going.
Jan Burch:Okay,
Matt Edmundson:everybody text Jan, howdy doody, just do it randomly throughout
Matt Edmundson:the week, just text Jan, howdy doody Jan.
Matt Edmundson:Mental note to meself, text Jan, howdy doody.
Matt Edmundson:Nicola's put here I think if it had not been for church community,
Matt Edmundson:I don't think I'd be here anymore.
Matt Edmundson:Now this is another, this is a part of what John Harding was talking about
Matt Edmundson:in terms of encouragement, right?
Matt Edmundson:It's one thing to connect with people and to actually, make that a habit in
Matt Edmundson:whatever way works for you, say for me, the calendar appointments, but
Matt Edmundson:in a way that is encouraging, right?
Matt Edmundson:So I have this challenge, that I give people all the time and I think it's a
Matt Edmundson:really good challenge to have because we have become, I think John touched
Matt Edmundson:on this actually, Christianity has become quite consumer led, hasn't it?
Matt Edmundson:In the sense that, yeah, church has to give me whatever
Matt Edmundson:it is I want out of church.
Matt Edmundson:And if it's not giving me whatever I want, I'm off because, that's
Matt Edmundson:not what church is all about.
Matt Edmundson:It's all about making me happy.
Matt Edmundson:I need to feel a certain thing and you need to give me great teaching.
Matt Edmundson:You need to.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And it's, there's an element of you need to get fed in
Matt Edmundson:church and I appreciate that.
Matt Edmundson:But in Hebrews, if I read it correctly church is more about what you give.
Matt Edmundson:And specifically, Paul talks Thessalonians, John talked
Matt Edmundson:about it's day from the talk.
Matt Edmundson:Who can you encourage and that.
Matt Edmundson:Desire that understanding that whenever I work in, walk into the
Matt Edmundson:church building, regardless of what I'm going through, in some respects
Matt Edmundson:And it's not, there are times, don't get me wrong, there are seasons
Matt Edmundson:when you want to go to church, you want to connect with God.
Matt Edmundson:And you want to hear from God, right?
Matt Edmundson:. And you do.
Matt Edmundson:And you want to know what's going on.
Matt Edmundson:And I think that's super, super important.
Matt Edmundson:But nine times out of 10, actually going to church is about encouraging
Matt Edmundson:those in the church building.
Matt Edmundson:And just how different would church be if we just went with a mindset
Matt Edmundson:that says, God, help me encourage people today when I go to church.
Matt Edmundson:Who can I find and encourage?
Jan Burch:Do you know what I mean?
Jan Burch:Absolutely.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:I'm a, I love encouraging people.
Jan Burch:You're very good
Matt Edmundson:at it, Jen.
Matt Edmundson:Do you think?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think you're great to be around.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, thank you.
Matt Edmundson:And I think people always feel loved up and encouraged when they're around you.
Matt Edmundson:That's a nice thing to
Jan Burch:say.
Jan Burch:Thank
Matt Edmundson:you.
Matt Edmundson:Because you have this really cool sense of humor, right?
Matt Edmundson:And and if you don't know Jen, and you don't know Jen's sense of humor,
Matt Edmundson:sometimes, People just think you're being totally serious and she's just,
Matt Edmundson:like the how do you do dee what.
Matt Edmundson:iT's just really funny.
Matt Edmundson:But I think at the same time, you're also super encouraging.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, thank you.
Matt Edmundson:And I think you always come, it's like today you came and you said, Oh, I was
Matt Edmundson:listening to Sharon's What's the Story and she was great because of this.
Matt Edmundson:You didn't have to say that, but it's just, it's an encouraging thing to hear.
Matt Edmundson:So I think you are naturally quite encouraging.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if it's intentional.
Jan Burch:A bit of both.
Jan Burch:Yeah, I really like doing it.
Jan Burch:Because I don't think there's enough encouragement in the world.
Jan Burch:No.
Jan Burch:But yeah, it is the one thing that's very nice.
Jan Burch:I just picked up on what John said as well.
Jan Burch:I think when the world is telling us it's about number
Jan Burch:one, it's about Self development.
Jan Burch:It's about, making sure you're okay.
Jan Burch:I think the opposite of that is, is kingdom values is it's about serving.
Jan Burch:And actually I think when we take our eyes off ourselves, that's
Jan Burch:when we get true true joy and.
Jan Burch:depth and meaning and purpose in our relationships.
Jan Burch:I think when you can give to someone else um, although it feels like it's hard
Jan Burch:sometimes when you're tired or you're hurting or, you're feeling not great.
Jan Burch:I think whenever we make the effort to serve or to help someone else.
Jan Burch:God always blesses us, doesn't he?
Jan Burch:Yeah, he does.
Jan Burch:It's I remember, going various points to Africa, and Julie can relate to this,
Jan Burch:going to India recently, that you go there thinking, oh, I'm gonna, we're
Jan Burch:giving this and we're bringing the other.
Jan Burch:Actually, you're always blessed so much more.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, you always take more out of it.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Jan Burch:So yeah, it's good, more blessed to give than to receive.
Matt Edmundson:That's an interesting, yeah, that's very true.
Matt Edmundson:It's very true.
Matt Edmundson:And I like this idea of what you said about serving, and actually it's the
Matt Edmundson:exact opposite spirit of the culture in which we're in at the moment,
Matt Edmundson:which I have to be honest with you.
Matt Edmundson:I think is um, we're going to get into this actually in a couple of weeks.
Matt Edmundson:I'm doing a talk on worldview.
Matt Edmundson:So I'm going to get into this in a lot more depth.
Matt Edmundson:But I, we live in a culture at the moment, which is so narcissistic in the
Matt Edmundson:West, which is so based upon me, right?
Matt Edmundson:So what do I mean by that?
Matt Edmundson:In the sense that now it's got to the stage where if you do not agree with
Matt Edmundson:me, and what I say may be inaccurate, it may be an untruth, but if you don't
Matt Edmundson:agree with it, then not only are you intolerant and a bigot, You are wrong.
Matt Edmundson:That's right.
Matt Edmundson:And I talked about this with Tony in the talk we did on friendship,
Matt Edmundson:which was a great conversation.
Matt Edmundson:If you've not heard it, do check it out.
Matt Edmundson:Actually friends, they are people that not only encourage you, but
Matt Edmundson:encouraging you is not making you feel better about yourself, right?
Matt Edmundson:Encouragement from a Christian perspective is, hey dude, this is what God says.
Matt Edmundson:Let's understand what God's saying.
Matt Edmundson:This is what God's got us for is let's pursue this with all our heart and
Matt Edmundson:encourages in that right in the things of God and to know God and to understand God.
Matt Edmundson:It's not necessarily about making us feel better about ourselves.
Matt Edmundson:And so we've gone so far down this path now, which says, actually, I am so right.
Matt Edmundson:And I am so it's all about me that if you don't agree with me, then
Matt Edmundson:Everything about you is wrong.
Matt Edmundson:That's right.
Matt Edmundson:And we're gonna close the door.
Matt Edmundson:And, the whole cancel culture came outta that, didn't it?
Matt Edmundson:And I think
Jan Burch:is People take fence, don't they?
Jan Burch:Oh, they do.
Jan Burch:They do.
Jan Burch:I think offense is a real, it's so toxic, isn't it?
Jan Burch:, I've been on the other end of offending people various times of my
Jan Burch:life, and it's really quite shocking.
Jan Burch:It's very unpleasant And, I just think, again, I remember one of someone
Jan Burch:talking at Frontline a few years ago saying, we have a choice whether we take
Jan Burch:offense or not, just because someone disagrees with us or like you just
Jan Burch:said, Matt, don't have the same opinion.
Jan Burch:You have a choice there and then whether you're offended by that.
Jan Burch:And, It's just about growing up a little bit, I think.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it's about, it's like you say, it's about
Matt Edmundson:not being so focused on self.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And it's not being so focused on me and my rights, it's not so focused
Matt Edmundson:on that, it's more about serving.
Matt Edmundson:It's about understanding the person in front of you and
Matt Edmundson:going, how can I bless you?
Matt Edmundson:How can I encourage you?
Matt Edmundson:How can I serve you?
Matt Edmundson:Rather than, how can you serve me?
Matt Edmundson:How can you edify me?
Matt Edmundson:How do you make me feel better about myself?
Matt Edmundson:It's, Christianity I think is the opposite spirit.
Matt Edmundson:And part of the time, to be fair, Christians haven't
Matt Edmundson:been great at doing that.
Matt Edmundson:We've been great at disagreeing with people but we've not been
Matt Edmundson:great at encouraging people.
Matt Edmundson:And I think I think it's a real shame, I really do.
Matt Edmundson:And so yeah, serve and encouragement, in fact, encouragement and
Matt Edmundson:serving go hand in hand.
Matt Edmundson:Serving is one way to encourage people.
Matt Edmundson:Nicola's very good at that, although she's put wine or gin in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:I'm not quite sure that's a glass of wine, red.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, it's a bit too early for a gin and tonic, uh, in England anyway.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if that answers your question.
Matt Edmundson:Random question in the comments.
Matt Edmundson:But yes.
Matt Edmundson:One of the things that John put my glasses on now so I can read my notes,
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to do that thing that Jan does, just have them on the end of my nose,
Matt Edmundson:just look over the glasses very superior of me um, so yes, so the speech audit.
Matt Edmundson:Oh, yeah.
Matt Edmundson:I thought that was an interesting idea.
Matt Edmundson:Doing an audit of how you talk to people.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I know.
Jan Burch:It's fascinating.
Jan Burch:Yeah, it is, I think it, I don't think it would go well for me.
Matt Edmundson:I think it would.
Matt Edmundson:I think it would.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:There's there's a really interesting app called Otter.
Matt Edmundson:Now, they do not sponsor Crowd Church, let me just be totally clear.
Matt Edmundson:Otter is a transcription service.
Matt Edmundson:Oh yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:And I have it on my phone.
Matt Edmundson:I have it on my computer and with work, one of the things that I do whenever
Matt Edmundson:I have a meeting, like a zoom call or a, this, a few of us chat, and I'll
Matt Edmundson:put the phone down or I'll turn the, and I will record that conversation.
Matt Edmundson:Right, and Otter will transcribe that conversation and so it will say, these,
Matt Edmundson:and it's great because it then goes through and it summarizes what was said
Matt Edmundson:and it draws out the action points, which in, yeah, work is a beautiful
Matt Edmundson:thing because I'm rubbish at taking notes when I'm engrossed in a conversation.
Matt Edmundson:And I, one of the reason I'm telling you this is one of the things that
Matt Edmundson:Otter does, which utterly fascinates me.
Matt Edmundson:Is it tells you the percentage of that conversation that you have spoken for?
Matt Edmundson:Really?
Matt Edmundson:So if you and I had a conversation and it recorded it, it would
Matt Edmundson:say, Matt, you spoke 70%.
Matt Edmundson:70%.
Matt Edmundson:And you, Jan, spoke 30%.
Matt Edmundson:And that has become really interesting to help me understand in a conversation
Matt Edmundson:how much I actually take up and not giving space to the other person's talk.
Jan Burch:It's not always that you don't I'm not talking about you personally, but
Jan Burch:it's not always about taking up space.
Jan Burch:I think sometimes people, need to give a bit more, don't they?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, they do.
Matt Edmundson:They do.
Matt Edmundson:But
Jan Burch:yeah, that's really interesting.
Jan Burch:I tell
Matt Edmundson:you what was fascinating was, The numbers next to people
Matt Edmundson:were not what I expected them to be.
Matt Edmundson:So you should download the app, and just record the conversations
Matt Edmundson:that you have, obviously with the permission of the people.
Matt Edmundson:Is it free?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Really?
Matt Edmundson:I think there's a paid version which we have because we use it so much.
Matt Edmundson:But yeah, it's just this really interesting idea and just doing
Matt Edmundson:this sort of speech audit.
Matt Edmundson:So not only what I say.
Matt Edmundson:But how much of the conversation I
Jan Burch:take up.
Jan Burch:Yeah, it's really interesting.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:Fascinating.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Really fascinating.
Matt Edmundson:And so it's meant actually when I do different podcasts that I I tone down
Matt Edmundson:the amount of, I'm, I'm actually aware of talking less and asking more questions.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's really, it's a really powerful tool.
Matt Edmundson:Anyway, speech audit.
Matt Edmundson:What would your speech audit come back at?
Matt Edmundson:You know what I think the best thing to do here, Jan in the short term,
Matt Edmundson:for me, I reckon if I went and asked Sharon, she'd tell me straight.
Matt Edmundson:What?
Matt Edmundson:spEech audit.
Matt Edmundson:If I said to her, am I encouraging or discouraging?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Those people around you, those that you're journeying with life,
Matt Edmundson:will be able to tell you whether you're encouraging or discouraging.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah,
Jan Burch:definitely.
Jan Burch:I think you're an encourager.
Jan Burch:No, I don't.
Jan Burch:Thank you.
Jan Burch:Thank you.
Jan Burch:I'm not
Matt Edmundson:joking.
Matt Edmundson:This is the Encourage Each Other Club tonight.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, so I thought that was a really good thing.
Matt Edmundson:We still got more time, or?
Matt Edmundson:We got plenty of time.
Matt Edmundson:Is there something more you want to say?
Jan Burch:I really liked what I thought the whole talk was great, but about the
Jan Burch:importance of leading yourself first.
Jan Burch:Oh, yes.
Jan Burch:That a good leader has to lead themselves before they can lead.
Jan Burch:Anyone else?
Jan Burch:So I think that's talking about um, discipline, self discipline.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:Basically not just, it's not do as I say, is it?
Jan Burch:It's do as I do.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:Do you know what I mean?
Jan Burch:So you can't just get up on a Sunday and expect people to Follow your lead
Jan Burch:if you're not living it yourself and,
Matt Edmundson:Do you know where I've figured this out the
Matt Edmundson:most, or seen this the most?
Matt Edmundson:It's having kids.
Matt Edmundson:Okay.
Matt Edmundson:In the sense that kids are brilliant at mirroring your actions.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And that's a little bit eye opening, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Have you found that?
Matt Edmundson:Because you've got three great kids.
Jan Burch:I think, yeah, def, oh, 100%, but I only realised that all their,
Jan Burch:The bad things really did from Tim.
Jan Burch:So all the good qualities clearly from me, obviously,
Matt Edmundson:Obviously Tim's Jan's husband, by the way, if you don't
Jan Burch:know.
Jan Burch:Do you find that?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, they get all their bad qualities from me and all
Matt Edmundson:their good ones from from Sharon.
Matt Edmundson:Definitely.
Matt Edmundson:No.
Matt Edmundson:But no, I think it's just really fascinating when you have kids that
Matt Edmundson:Julie's put in the comments, by the way, you're a total encourager.
Matt Edmundson:Ah,
Jan Burch:thank you.
Jan Burch:It might be you, she means.
Jan Burch:I think it's definitely you.
Jan Burch:Ah, thanks, Julie.
Jan Burch:Oh, she's a great, speaks the truth.
Jan Burch:Woman of truth.
Jan Burch:She is.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:Yeah, definitely.
Matt Edmundson:But no, I think since having kids and seeing the
Matt Edmundson:scenes, sometimes my kids act and understanding actually, they've
Matt Edmundson:totally picked that up from me.
Matt Edmundson:And you just go, Oh, maybe I need to change this.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:I was, I would do stupid things like I'm not great now, if I sat
Matt Edmundson:at the table with the phone, the kids are going to think it's okay
Matt Edmundson:to sit at the table with the phone.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:It's just what they do.
Matt Edmundson:And so leading by example is the old, it's what they used to say, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:The old fashioned way, lead by example, we should do that.
Matt Edmundson:buT it's really interesting because Paul said in scripture, didn't he?
Matt Edmundson:He said, imitate me as I imitate Christ.
Matt Edmundson:That's a pretty bold statement, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:I don't know if I've ever gone to people.
Matt Edmundson:I don't actually know how people would respond to it.
Matt Edmundson:If I just turn around to people and say no, copy me as I copy Jesus.
Matt Edmundson:It's a pretty bold thing to say to folks, isn't it?
Matt Edmundson:Because you've, I think you've got to be fairly sure that you're
Matt Edmundson:copying Jesus in the right way.
Matt Edmundson:I think I'm, I think I'm doing all right.
Matt Edmundson:Don't get me wrong.
Matt Edmundson:I don't think I'm perfect by any
Matt Edmundson:way.
Matt Edmundson:You then become aware of actually.
Matt Edmundson:How you act, as well as what you say, right?
Matt Edmundson:And I imagine this is especially true with what you do for work.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Jan Burch:In what way of, what
Matt Edmundson:do you mean?
Matt Edmundson:I think you're in the public a lot.
Matt Edmundson:You're in the community a lot.
Matt Edmundson:And um, is it okay to tell people what you do?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, sure.
Matt Edmundson:So Jan is a community midwife.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Not just a midwife.
Matt Edmundson:A community midwife.
Matt Edmundson:And so you get to see people at the most vulnerable, don't you, in a lot of ways
Matt Edmundson:at a time when they're both really excited and quite petrified all at the same time.
Matt Edmundson:And yeah that, that's what I mean in terms of, what you say and what you do,
Matt Edmundson:I think becomes quite important because you can, I suppose if you say one thing
Matt Edmundson:but act in another way, that's going to really, that could cause people to flap.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I definitely feel like you don't care.
Jan Burch:Yeah, absolutely.
Jan Burch:It goes across the board.
Jan Burch:In all our relationships that it goes back to what we said last week.
Jan Burch:It's about integrity, isn't it?
Jan Burch:I, I think, as a midwife, as a health professional, that I have to just focus on
Jan Burch:what I'm doing on my patient, the patient.
Jan Burch:That, I'm not thinking about myself but I'm thinking about how I can be the
Jan Burch:best for them and give them the best care but if I was, not consistent
Jan Burch:in that, then they would soon know and they would, women talk, women these days
Jan Burch:either, they don't put up with much.
Jan Burch:We'd soon know about it if they weren't happy, but yeah, no, I think it affects
Jan Burch:all of us in all of our relationships.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:No, it does.
Matt Edmundson:And I think just encouraging people.
Matt Edmundson:I, Julie says here, you look lovely as well.
Matt Edmundson:You've got it, you've got it all coming from
Jan Burch:Julie.
Jan Burch:Thank you, Julie.
Jan Burch:Julie's always got lovely hair.
Jan Burch:She's got good
Matt Edmundson:hair.
Matt Edmundson:Very good hair, Judy.
Matt Edmundson:It's a very important thing to say.
Matt Edmundson:Judy's got good hair.
Matt Edmundson:Isaac says, I thank God for your blessing which is great.
Matt Edmundson:Andy's put, WWJD.
Jan Burch:What would Jesus do with me?
Jan Burch:Does it mean me?
Jan Burch:What would John do?
Jan Burch:I,
Matt Edmundson:we could go either way.
Jan Burch:Julie says, yeah, I have got good hair.
Jan Burch:Yeah, we know Julie, it's always immaculate and shiny.
Jan Burch:Always
Matt Edmundson:immaculate and shiny.
Matt Edmundson:Yes, no very beautiful hair.
Matt Edmundson:It's extraordinary.
Matt Edmundson:What would Jesus do?
Matt Edmundson:What would Jan do?
Matt Edmundson:Two great questions to ask in life.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what?
Matt Edmundson:I was doing a a business event in the land down under.
Matt Edmundson:I was in New Zealand, right?
Matt Edmundson:I was speaking at an event down there.
Matt Edmundson:I don't know, there's a couple hundred people at the event.
Matt Edmundson:And I was doing this business conference type thing down there.
Matt Edmundson:And I was speaking at that.
Matt Edmundson:And I was talking about this The phenomenon at the time of the
Matt Edmundson:WWJD, the bands where you used to get WWJD, what did Jesus do?
Matt Edmundson:And they just said WWJD.
Matt Edmundson:No one in New Zealand knew what I was talking about.
Matt Edmundson:Really?
Matt Edmundson:Really surprised me.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I was like, oh, goodness me.
Matt Edmundson:There goes that whole talk, I had to rethink something.
Matt Edmundson:Ha!
Matt Edmundson:Slap, there it is.
Matt Edmundson:But WWJD.
Jan Burch:They do say New Zealand's about 20 years behind, don't they?
Jan Burch:No,
Matt Edmundson:don't say that.
Matt Edmundson:They do.
Matt Edmundson:No, they don't.
Matt Edmundson:New Zealand's awesome, I love New Zealand.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, what would Jesus do?
Matt Edmundson:Is a great question to ask yourself.
Matt Edmundson:Good question there, Andy, what would Jesus do?
Matt Edmundson:That's a good, that whole imitate me as I imitate Jesus.
Matt Edmundson:That's it, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:Thinking about what would Jesus do.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Anything else in the last minutes, Jan, from your notes
Matt Edmundson:you want to desperately talk
Jan Burch:about?
Jan Burch:Just can't ignore the fact that John used the word reflex.
Jan Burch:Because in all of his talks, which, it's a good thing.
Jan Burch:It is a good
Matt Edmundson:thing.
Matt Edmundson:John has even written a book, hasn't he, called Reflex.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, he has indeed.
Matt Edmundson:I'm surprised, actually, he didn't show a copy on screening.
Matt Edmundson:You can find out more about Reflex from my book.
Matt Edmundson:It is a good book.
Matt Edmundson:Reflex, do you
Jan Burch:remember that song?
Jan Burch:Duran.
Jan Burch:Yeah, I was, I am a Durani, or used to be.
Jan Burch:I'm a
Matt Edmundson:Durani.
Matt Edmundson:Did you ever go to a Duran concert?
Matt Edmundson:Oh yeah, of course.
Matt Edmundson:How many did you go?
Matt Edmundson:Were you a groupie?
Jan Burch:I would have liked to have been, but I was
Jan Burch:about 14 when they were out.
Jan Burch:Okay.
Jan Burch:But I did bunk off school once to go and see them.
Jan Burch:Yeah, so let's come in now.
Jan Burch:They do know what they did now, but no, it was the only time I ever did
Matt Edmundson:it.
Matt Edmundson:So as we're talking about Imitate Me as I imitate Christ, and as we're
Matt Edmundson:talking about how kids imitate their parents, I think, Kerish, you've
Matt Edmundson:just got license there to bunk off school and go to any kind of concert.
Matt Edmundson:You
Jan Burch:haven't, none of you have.
Matt Edmundson:If your kids are watching, you're in so much danger.
Jan Burch:Indeed.
Matt Edmundson:It's just very funny.
Matt Edmundson:Very funny indeed.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, Duran.
Matt Edmundson:What legends they were.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Defined an era.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, they did define an era.
Matt Edmundson:So if you're just joining us, welcome to Matt and Jen talk about Duran.
Matt Edmundson:The 1980s.
Matt Edmundson:Actually no the reflexion and it's, uh, the way John talks about it is
Matt Edmundson:very much, it's like our default.
Matt Edmundson:It's our way of responding, our way of acting and what our default response
Matt Edmundson:should be hopefully as we become more and more mature in our walk with
Matt Edmundson:Christ, it should become more and more like that, shouldn't it really?
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, in theory.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, absolutely.
Matt Edmundson:So yes and then obviously lead yourself well first.
Matt Edmundson:I thought that was a great phrase.
Matt Edmundson:You mentioned that earlier about the first level of leadership,
Matt Edmundson:lead yourself well first.
Matt Edmundson:And for me, John picked on the fact that we are now, we've, as a church,
Matt Edmundson:there's been a lot of books recently in Christianity about doing Sabbath,
Matt Edmundson:and we've taken it from one extreme to another, because that's what Christians
Matt Edmundson:do, we like to swing the pendulum.
Matt Edmundson:And he drew attention to that, leading yourself well.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think actually involves more self discipline than anything else.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I think so.
Matt Edmundson:Do you know what I mean?
Matt Edmundson:And I think one of the fruits of the Spirit is self control.
Matt Edmundson:Not something we talk about that often, but it is.
Matt Edmundson:And actually leading yourself well is Being very self controlled I've got a
Matt Edmundson:finite amount of time, I'm going to spend it this way, I'm going to be intentional
Matt Edmundson:in these relationships, so if you're married, I'm going to be intentional in
Matt Edmundson:my marriage, if I have kids, I'm going to be intentional with my kids, my friends,
Matt Edmundson:I'm going to be intentional there, I'm going to go to church, I'm going to
Matt Edmundson:encourage the socks off everybody that I meet, I'm going to pray for them, I'm
Matt Edmundson:going to have a, hopefully seek God and try and get a word for, some of them.
Matt Edmundson:That's what I think leading yourself well.
Matt Edmundson:It's all about
Jan Burch:us.
Jan Burch:That's amazing.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Jan Burch:I love that.
Jan Burch:You sounded like you were going to say something.
Jan Burch:No, I was just thinking, how great is that,
Matt Edmundson:how different church would look like if we actually did that.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:And our workplaces.
Jan Burch:You've talked before about, not being, and you've
Jan Burch:mentioned it again this evening.
Jan Burch:We're not, we shouldn't be consumers, should we?
Jan Burch:We are givers, really, we should be giving.
Jan Burch:And what are people learning from our lives?
Jan Burch:It's self reflection is good.
Jan Burch:Just totally focusing on self isn't.
Jan Burch:But I think when we take our eyes off ourselves onto Jesus then I
Jan Burch:think we, real happiness, real peace comes from that, doesn't it?
Jan Burch:And we can build proper relationships.
Jan Burch:It's not just all about how you're feeling.
Jan Burch:yOu know what you're getting out of it.
Jan Burch:Yeah,
Matt Edmundson:very good.
Matt Edmundson:I think it's very true.
Matt Edmundson:Seeing yourself through the lens of Jesus is quite important, really.
Matt Edmundson:Through the eyes of Jesus.
Matt Edmundson:So no, it's super, super cool.
Matt Edmundson:Let me tell you from my notes here, what's coming up next week.
Matt Edmundson:I'm just going to click on it and find out because I don't actually know.
Matt Edmundson:You talk for a sec, John, while I figure it out.
Matt Edmundson:'cause I should have checked this before.
Jan Burch:No, I just yeah.
Jan Burch:Thank you for for John bringing that word.
Jan Burch:I like the little pictures as well.
Jan Burch:The graphics that written.
Jan Burch:Oh yeah.
Jan Burch:Tanya Between, that was really good.
Jan Burch:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Tanya's getting on with a video editing.
Matt Edmundson:That was Tanya who edits the video.
Matt Edmundson:She's the legend.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, that was very good.
Matt Edmundson:She's the legend.
Matt Edmundson:So next week.
Matt Edmundson:You have got Dan Orange.
Matt Edmundson:In this chair, he is doing hosting along.
Matt Edmundson:John Harding will be next week in that chair.
Matt Edmundson:And apparently Anna Kettle is speaking.
Matt Edmundson:Anna, looking forward to hearing what you've got to say.
Matt Edmundson:Next week, I'm actually going to be in Paris.
Matt Edmundson:Who with?
Matt Edmundson:My wife.
Matt Edmundson:We've been married for 25 years and finally we get to go away and celebrate.
Matt Edmundson:And Sharon's never actually been to Paris.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I was shocked too when I read it.
Matt Edmundson:Mais
Jan Burch:non.
Jan Burch:Mais non.
Jan Burch:Mais non.
Jan Burch:Paris is, I love Paris.
Jan Burch:Do you like it?
Matt Edmundson:Beautiful.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah.
Matt Edmundson:Paris.
Jan Burch:Oh, have a
Matt Edmundson:wonderful time.
Matt Edmundson:Yeah, I'll be tuning in to Crowd from the streets of Paris
Matt Edmundson:next week, so wherever you are.
Matt Edmundson:Oulala.
Jan Burch:Oulala.
Jan Burch:Sometimes
Matt Edmundson:they're just no words, are they really?
Matt Edmundson:Ooh la.
John Harding:Ooh
Matt Edmundson:La.
Matt Edmundson:Excellent.
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Jan Burch:Nope, just have a wonderful week and yeah, just pray that, that we all
Jan Burch:really make a note of what are we saying to other people when we're living our
Jan Burch:lives, when we're going about our everyday life, what are people learning from us,
Jan Burch:and try and encourage someone this week.
Jan Burch:Be intentional about encouraging wherever you
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