Freedom Created from One Standing Ovation...

Katie Pruitt shares her journey of turning personal struggles into powerful, transformative music.

Through raw storytelling and fearless honesty, Katie opens up about the life experiences that shaped her artistry and sparked change in her listeners.

A defining moment pushed her to fully embrace her truth—and how has it impacted those who hear her music?

This episode offers a profound exploration of vulnerability, connection, and the power of authentic self-expression.

Don’t miss the stories that will leave you inspired and wanting more.

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The music born from authenticity.

A story that broke the barrier.

How she turned a struggle into connection.

When truth had a transformative power.

Once person who Inspired courage in the unheard.

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Go across on your first communion, got stoned at the school reunion, moved away and unfriended the Jesus freeze.

I played at the Caverns, this sort of underground cave that they built a venue inside.

I played one of my songs called Normal, which is a pretty autobiographical account of me accepting my sexuality, but it goes deep into my queer experience and I was nervous to play that in front of a bunch of strangers.

I didn't know how people would receive it and I got a standing ovation.

It was like the second song.

We weren't even done with our set and it was like this resonated in a big way, even with an audience that may not have the same experience as me.

But it empowered me to always tell my story because you kind of never know how it's going to hit someone.

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You'll discover new music that you'll love, Hard earned lessons from the road, the story behind favorite songs, a big dose of inspiration for you and your friends, and a good laugh along the way.

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It's time to get Americana Curious.

Hey there and welcome back to Americana Curious.

A big one coming your way today with Katie Pruitt.

That's right, I said it.

Katie Pruitt, who's the acclaimed singer songwriter whose heartfelt blend of folk, rock, country and Americana showcases her deeply personal and socially conscious storytelling.

She's built her following and won fans over with her candid lyrics addressing themes of love, mental health, identity and self discovery.

Her debut album Expectations earned widespread praise for its authenticity and raw emotional power, cementing her as a rising voice in contemporary music.

And just to fill in the gaps here on her awards, she was actually named by Rolling Stone as one of 10 new country artists you need to know and by NPR, is one of the 20 artists to watch and was awarded the Buddy Holly prize for song for the Songwriters hall of Fame.

Holy smokes.

Katie Pruitt, welcome to Americana Curious.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Okay.

This is awesome, Katie.

I me and my wife were able to be at Girls Just Wanna the year you you performed and sadly Ben wasn't there.

That year.

But me and Ben met at the first ever Girls Just Want a Festival.

A lot of people don't know that, but we met at just.

He walked down the beach, saw me reading a Jeff Tweedy book, and we became lifelong friends.

I just gotta say, Kid Fears with the Indigo Girls.

I mean, I imagine that song, those artists we love, the Indigo Girls.

How does that come together and that.

I imagine they're one of your biggest heroes.

I mean, I just rewatched the video.

It's like, 100%.

Yeah.

That was a really surreal moment.

That was.

Because that was kind of the first.

One of the first things back post Covid and I had had plans to, like, open for them, and then it got canceled because of COVID So it was really nice to kind of have that moment in Mexico.

And they just kind of texted me, I think.

I don't know how Amy got my number.

She was like, hey, it's Amy Rae from the Indigo Girls.

We'd love to have you hop up in our set and, like, meet us at the cabana, whatever this time.

And I'm like, absolutely, dude.

I will be there.

And, yeah, it was.

It's.

It was really cool and full circle, especially because I.

I spent the beginning part of my, like, music career in Athens, so singing Michael Stipes part in that song was, like.

It was insane in front of that many people at Brandi Carlos Festival.

It was.

It was a really amazing moment.

And I was so nervous, so nervous to mess it up, but I hope I nailed it.

So you did.

And not only that, I mean, you're set on the beach.

I think it was the day before.

I can't remember.

I have all these videos I've been looking back at in preparation, and singing coming out with Amethyst and Sheryl Crow and singing Closer to Fine.

Like, everyone I know is just an actor putting on a show.

I hope one day I'm wise enough to know there's no way.

I mean, I was.

You should have seen if you want to see a fanboy that night.

I mean, those four days in Mexico was great, but how does you mention Athens and growing up kind of in Georgia?

How does that Southern.

How did that, I guess, influence you as an artist?

Being from the South?

Yeah, I think in a lot of ways.

I mean, I.

I grew up in a pretty.

Pretty structured Catholic background.

And, yeah, that came with a lot of.

Especially growing up in the 90s.

And then towards today, a lot has changed, which is good.

But I don't know.

I'd say that, yeah, like, that kind of structured background kind of made me feel like I couldn't for a long time.

Made me feel like I couldn't fully be explicit in my sexuality in songs, be open about it.

And I think there was this moment with myself where I just.

I just said exactly what I wanted to say in a song.

And that empowering feeling, I was like, oh, this is it.

Like, this is what I'm looking for.

And it was all.

It almost felt like, yeah, it felt like an eagle rising from the ashes in a way of like, oh, cool.

I can just say the truth in a song and how good that feels.

And then to see that.

To see the audience kind of receive that and feel that and have my experience reflected back at them and vice versa, has been a cool.

A cool experience.

And that's sort of always what I strive to do in my songwriting.

But, yeah, I don't know.

I think.

I think there's always been a push, pull between this, like, Southern Catholic identity and, like, the things that I really want to say and do.

And I think growing up in that structure has made me want to sort of break down the barriers a little bit.

So could you share with us a time when you were on the stage?

I mean, your songs, you lay it on the line.

Y'all listen to these two albums.

You're really putting your heart and soul out there, and you get on stage and perform these things.

I mean, what's like, maybe what's a time when a response surprised you?

There was one time specifically.

This was like, a few years ago, I played at the Caverns, so, like, this sort of underground cave that they built the venue inside.

I played one of my songs called Normal, which is a pretty autobiographical sort of account of me accepting my sexuality.

And it talks about Athens in the song.

It talks about kind of the frat sorority culture and being pressured to be hetero in that environment.

It talks about a lot of things.

It talks about my relationship with my parents, but it goes deep into my queer experience.

And I was nervous to play that an hour outside of Nashville in a cave in front of a bunch of strangers.

I was like, I don't.

It wasn't my show.

Also, it was kind of like a showcase type of thing where there's a bunch of different artists, so I didn't know how people would receive it.

And I got a standing ovation.

It was like the second song.

We weren't even done with our set, and it was like, oh, holy shit.

Like, this resonated in a big way, even with an audience that may not have the same experience as me, but it's just kind of.

It empowered me to, like, always tell my story because you kind of never know how it's going to hit someone or how.

How it's going to.

Positive.

Positively.

Yeah.

Affect them.

So.

Yeah, I love that because, I mean, in an era where artists are told to be.

Polish their image, you are raw and so vulnerable.

Vulnerable with your lyrics, which I imagine having that opportunity to come out and just sing it.

I love that about you.

You ain't gonna shut up and sing.

Katie Pruitt ain't shutting up.

So I imagine that there are people that look up to you.

I mean, like a fan interaction that you might have had that.

Where somebody was touched that maybe have brought it up to you or something.

Yeah, there's been many.

And I'm really, really blessed and, like, really.

I don't know.

I try not to take those with a grain of salt because it's like, these are people's.

Like, they're, like, emotionally impacted by my music on a personal level.

And that's the goal, right, Is to, like, make people feel things and either hold up a mirror for themselves or give them a new perspective that maybe they didn't think about.

I get a lot of parents that have come up to me and been like, you helped me accept my gay child.

You know what I mean?

I'm like, that's crazy to me.

Like, that music can do that shit.

And it's wild.

It's just about.

Yeah.

Like, you never know what it's gonna make someone think about and what it's gonna make someone reflect about.

So I've been really inspired to see that the truth has that effect in songs, can have that effect on people and society and family dynamics and relationships.

Like.

But my goal is always, like, hopefully make a positive impact.

So.

Yeah.

What's a misconception that people sometimes have about your music?

Well, my parents definitely think I talk about religion too much, which, like, I'm sorry, guys, I'm just out here speaking my mind, but I don't know, I would.

I would be curious to know Misconceptions.

I don't.

There's none that, like, stick out, like, at the.

At the top of my mind.

But, I mean, maybe that one.

Maybe.

Maybe somebody thinking, like, I have a song called White Lies, White Jesus, and you'd.

And it's pretty.

It's pretty intense.

Like, that's an intense subject for a song to kind of go into how religion and politics can sometimes work in this Weird way to cast out people and make them feel shame.

And I.

A misconception, I feel like, might be that I'm protesting Christianity or religion, and that's not the case.

I'm just.

I'm trying to say, like, it's.

If you're using the Bible as a weapon, that's not what it was intended to be used for.

So it's more of, like, sticking up for what the.

What the gospel actually does say, which is love your neighbor, all that good stuff.

Yeah.

Instead of honing in on the homosexuality stuff and making.

And kicking people out of the social club.

That's.

That's kind of what I'm.

What I'm saying.

So I.

I hope that people get that from the song, but who knows?

I don't have control over what people think is the.

When you write a big song, it's kind of out there, right?

Yeah.

Do you have.

And I can see it.

It might cause.

Or does it cause hesitation, the songwriting process or.

Like, man, this could be completely misinterpreted, or you just.

You just going for it.

Yeah.

I mean, with something like that, I just went for it, so.

And I try to.

When I play that song live, I try to say a little something.

Before, like, I usually say, Jesus was here today.

I feel like he'd be at the drag clubs, he'd be at the protest, he'd be.

He's.

He.

He's not into making people feel excluded is all I'm saying.

Yes.

Yeah.

But who knows?

Like, it's like you don't have control over what people hear or feel when they listen to your songs.

So all I can do is speak from my heart and play the songs that I wrote.

And, yeah.

Talk about the truth like you were lying.

I wonder who you think you're talking to.

Speaking of some things I put behind me, why lies, why Jesus and you.

Is there a song that you have written, maybe a past song that now has a different meaning to you?

That maybe something.

Well, yeah, out of the Blue has definitely taken on a new life.

And it's funny because I wrote that sort of.

About my first girlfriend.

It was like kind of a breakup song of like, okay, this person's probably not gonna be in my life again and is now a stranger.

And now I'm going through.

For the past year, I've been going through another breakup.

So I'm like, now it's about a different girl, so.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

But, yeah, it is interesting how songs can kind of take on new meanings and.

And mean something different.

Later, depending on what's going on in my life at the time.

One of the first Kitty Pruitt songs that really caught me was My Mind's a Ship that's Going Down.

Oh, wow.

That day.

I like that one, too.

And that's.

That was on your first album.

Yeah.

I was going to ask you about that guttural yell that just comes out.

You're about coming out of that bridge into that third verse.

Yes.

It's just.

It's a beautifully written song, but, man, I mean, just, like, I don't.

I don't hear that on.

I don't think I hear that on other Katie Pruitt tunes, but there was something.

I just.

I didn't know there was something specific that just felt right about that.

Yeah, I think it was just kind of the way that I.

That I sang it live, and I loved that moment live so much because it was such, like, a powerful feeling moment that I wanted to.

To capture that on the record as well.

A lot of the.

A lot of the choices that I make in.

In my recordings happen because I was playing them on the road, and I just did something one night, and then I was like, oh, that's staying in the song because it felt so good.

So it probably is that.

It's probably from a life.

I can totally see that.

And I have a live moment that you just.

Just put that power.

It's so.

It's the way I experience.

It's.

It's about mental health and being distracted.

Is that, like.

Like, that's how I experience it?

Yeah.

Well, I wrote that at a time where, like.

Yeah, my career was kind of starting to take off, and I had a.

It's interesting when, like, things start taking off for you how, like, mentally unwell you can be sometimes in juxtaposition with good things happening on the surface, but, like, beneath it, you're, like, kind of struggling.

That was kind of what it was about for me.

And, yeah, just kind of people around me, specifically my girlfriend at the time, sort of being there for me to lean on during that kind of emotionally turbulent time in my life.

And, yeah, like, now it's sort of evolved into, like.

I mean, there's many people that I feel like I can lean on when I'm sort of spiraling.

And I think having a community of people that you feel safe to be, like, yo, dude, I'm not entirely okay right now.

Like, what are you doing tonight?

Can we, like, meet up and grab a beer or talk?

Or do you have a sec to hop on the phone.

Like, just even having that vulnerability to, like, lean on your friends, lean on your people, that's kind of what that song means to me now when I play.

That's.

That's awesome.

I mean, that is so powerful.

Thought to myself with a smile.

Think.

I'll go there for a while.

So.

I boarded a big jet plane Left my problems in the USA Had a lovely time in Ecuador Now I'm right back where I was before through all the.

No, she's the anchor that is keeping me sound oh, my mind's a ship that's going down.

So you've described all mantras I've read as a deeply personal record, which I suspect the first one was too personal, but kind of chronicling your internal battle with self confidence and negative self talk.

Can you share a moment that's helped you move past those and really embrace yourself and your identity?

Yeah, Well, I mean, there was a bunch of moments where kind of what I was just talking about in that first song or the My mind's a ship, it was.

There was a lot of moments for me while I was writing mantras where I really had to lean on people or I had to, like, be like, okay, I am struggling right now.

I'm going to invest in therapy.

I'm going to figure out, take that leap.

Not just be like, oh, I should probably go to therapy.

No, actually go to therapy and.

And sort of like, learn those tools that, like, when those negative thought loops start kicking in, I can kind of pinpoint it and be like, oh, this is an intrusive thought.

Like.

Like, that's what's happening right now.

I can name it.

And that way it's not so heavy or scary.

So.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think.

I think moments like that, which is maybe just being in your late 20s and realizing, like, all right, I want to.

I want to be able to.

I don't think life really gets any easier.

So it's just having the toolbox to pull from of, like, being there for yourself and, like, trying to be there for the people in your life in the.

In that same way.

And having that voice in your head sound like a friend and not somebody that's, like, not toxic.

I don't want to have a toxic relationship.

Silencing the inner critic and being a compassionate friend.

And that comes through in your music.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

Thank you.

I just.

I used to write with this, like, beat my head against the wall kind of method.

And I found especially the longer I songwrite and the longer I do this as a career, it's not productive for me.

Like, I can't pushing myself in a negative way.

It just.

It just depletes me.

It doesn't bring me joy.

So it's like when I'm creating, it has to be a positive voice of like, hell yeah, dude.

That's a cool line.

Keep going.

That's what my voice.

That's what my head needs to sound like instead of, you suck.

You're whatever, like.

Because that's.

That's dangerous.

That's dangerous territory.

So really just trying to figure out how to not be mean to myself.

Yeah.

That first album made such a splash and just like took off and just went everywhere.

Yeah.

I mean, was there a lot of pressure for the second one?

Like, I'm not going to do that one.

Yeah, I think there was.

They.

They always say you have your whole life to write your first record in like two years to write your next one.

And that's such an intimidate.

And they're not wrong.

It's very intimidating to sort of like have a sophomore album, follow up a first one because you've only got two things to compare.

Like, that's your whole body of work is just two things.

People are always going to hold up one against another and be like, well, I like this one better.

And I had to just like start telling myself, like, I'm gonna write a second record that I'm proud of.

And then by the third one, I'm just building a catalog.

I'm just building like, people are gonna have their favorites from any record that I make for the rest of my life.

And they're not so favorites.

And that's fine.

I think really, at the end of the day is just making something I can be proud of and I can hang my hat on and say, I worked my ass off on that.

I'm proud of it.

I put everything I had into it.

Here you go.

Moving on.

And staying true to your boom boom.

Yep.

And staying true to the.

The art and your.

For sure.

I mean, I mean, not just churning something out for the sake of doing that.

Like, obviously, always.

Always searching for the truest, most vulnerable thing I can.

I can say.

But yeah, like not that's what making it so heavy.

That's what we.

We love about you is the authenticity in this Americana world.

We.

We're Americana curious.

So we call everything under the tent Americana, but the authenticity.

And we see it with.

I mean, you're on another.

You co wrote to Southern Roots with BJ Barham.

Yeah.

On his latest Album.

I mean, BJ is one.

Ben's wearing his shirt right now.

I mean, bj past guest, and we love bj, and we love that song and love that.

You guys.

You guys don't.

You're not afraid.

BJ ain't.

And you are not afraid your minds.

Is there a collaboration that you had or a recording that maybe has even.

Surprised you, like something that isn't out or.

Or just something that in the.

Anytime one of these collaborations come together with a.

I mean, you're on.

You have Rust and Kelly singing with you.

Is there.

Is there something that maybe just surprised you or caught you off guard, where you thought, oh, that's new, or something?

Just.

That wasn't.

Just.

Yeah.

I mean, I.

I feel like every collaboration that I do kind of.

It's fun to sort of blend my sound with someone else's sound and, like, work together to make something that feels authentic for both of us, but, like, is a new thing.

Like, she Waits for me to come back down is a song I wrote with Donovan Woods.

It was like the first song we ever wrote.

The first day we ever met, we wrote it, and I was like, that's a good song.

Like, that's okay.

But I didn't quite, like.

I don't know.

I just was like, all right, cool.

We wrote a song.

I loved Hanging with Donovan, and I didn't think any.

I didn't think he would ever get cut.

I didn't think he liked it that much.

And what surprised me was that even though it was, like, kind of, he put it on his record, and then the music video to that one is like a queer music video.

It's like two women dancing in a desert.

It's beautiful.

I mean, the way.

The way that it came together, it made me cry.

It's so good.

But it's.

Yeah, just, like, kind of about the codependence in a relationship and somebody being patient with you while you kind of spiral.

And I just was surprised.

I was like, oh, cool, this is going on your record.

Like, this kind of sounds like it would.

I thought we wrote this for me, but it's really cool that you can.

Yeah, somebody can write a song, and it's maybe not even from their perspective.

Like, kind of a John prime with angel from Montgomery.

He writes it about a girl in a town.

He's not writing about his life.

But, yes, that was really cool that he was like, I'm gonna put this on my record.

I was like, yeah.

I mean.

I mean, I know Tyler Childers in your Love Is.

I mean, the song is obviously not, but the video is from a perspective of a gay couple, you know, So.

I mean, I love when videos can.

Can kind of tell a story that.

Yeah.

Maybe the lyrics didn't.

Yeah, no, that's a great point.

So you mentioned music videos.

I've been.

I've been really enjoying yours, Katie.

And you're.

You got some cool ones.

So what's a favorite experience you've had doing a video?

And also, what place in this world of AI and Spotify does.

Does a music video have these days?

Yeah, that's.

It's a tough one because, like, if I had it my way, I would make a video for every song, but it's not feasible.

I mean, I think most people watch videos on YouTube and that's actually.

That's an actual revenue stream that artists still.

Yeah.

Yet.

But the cost to make them is so much.

It's really just like you're doing it because you want to do it.

You're not really making money off of it unless it's got like 100 million streams or something.

But one of my favorite music videos that I was ever a part of, and I was in it too, because it was mine, but was White Lies why Jesus?

And you'd.

I've seen it.

I made it with Stephen.

Stephen and Alexa, their brother and sister.

And they do a lot of Rustin's videos as well.

But it was the concept because, like I said, that song is kind of like.

It's a bit of a protest song against how religion can be used as a weapon.

But it doesn't say anything about being queer in it.

But we.

He had the idea, like, what if it was two girls that got sent to a conversion therapy camp and ended up kind of falling in love while they were trying to make them straight again?

Because that's.

Those.

Those conversion therapy camps are pretty terrifying, and they still happen.

But yeah, it was.

It was just the way that he.

Yeah, like, the way that it was shot, the way that he did it.

Like, there's like a baptism scene where, like, she gets baptized, and there's a.

It's.

It's really powerful the way that it came together.

And I loved that.

I just got to kind of.

My part in.

It was.

Was just rocking out in a.

On a church pew, like, singing the song, and then the rest of the day was just actors playing the roles, and I was just watching behind the camera.

So that was really cool because I didn't have to act necessarily in it, but we hired actors and they did such a good job.

So it was.

I loved that day, and I.

I really loved how that video came out.

So.

Oh, yeah.

Your content is.

Is so good.

I know I mentioned earlier the.

With the Indigo Girls and Kid Fears, but is there another instance of an unexpected maybe story from the tour that happened that was kind of just not.

You didn't.

Didn't think it would happen?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, there's been many times, and I.

I feel like I've been lucky to sing with so many people that I have been a F forever.

Oliver Wood from the Wood Brothers is one of them.

I was like, I love that song Postcards From Hell.

And he's like, yeah, I wrote it about my friend Donnie McCormick, and we should actually cover one of his songs.

Like, I think you'd sound great singing it.

It's called have youe no Shame?

And then we ended up releasing our own version of it because we do it so much.

But, yeah, we ended up doing that song on the tour, and it was so much fun.

And there's another time at Red Rocks this summer where I was.

Brandy called me kind of last minute to open the show, and I was like, absolutely, I'll be there.

So I go up to Red Rocks.

I open Red Rocks solo.

She's doing it.

Brandi Carlisle with the Colorado Symphony.

So she didn't have a band either.

The twins were there, but it was.

They opened up one of the other nights, correct?

Yeah.

With their other.

Yeah, I couldn't get tickets.

Thanks for bringing it up, Katie.

No, sorry, I just Trying to give you fomo.

But, yeah, it was really cool because I was.

So I wrote this song called Blood Related, and it's on Mantras, and I was planning on doing it in my set, but Brandy was like, how would you feel about doing it in my set?

I was like, I would love that.

Love it a lot more.

People will be paying attention.

So, yes, very down.

And it was really cool.

Me and my tour manager Hadley, who also sings with me, were like, backstage, and we were rehearsing the harmonies with her, and it just was so cool to do that song in the middle of her set.

It wasn't like first or second song.

It was like mid Brandy set.

Yeah, she called us up and we did it, and it was so cool.

Like, I felt like we got to share that moment with Red Rocks in such a.

It felt like it may as well have been a 300 cap rock club.

It felt that intimate.

Yeah.

Brandy's crowd definitely are fans.

Yeah, I've been to Red Rocks.

I was there the two years ago.

But, yeah, like I said, I couldn't get tickets.

Berserk.

But she.

Her inclusivity with the group.

I mean, I guarantee that every single one of those people were in their butts for you when you were opening, too, because that's just how her crowd is.

They're incredible.

They're incredible.

And a lot of those people have then found their way to my shows.

Yes.

And.

And it's just.

I'm just so grateful.

I'm really grateful for her including me in that, because what she's built is really amazing, truly.

Is there a bit of advice that you received from Oliver, from Brandy or someone that stuck with you as an artist?

Oh, wow.

I mean, that's a great question.

And I wish.

I wish I had thought about that beforehand, because I'm sure there is.

And it's.

Nothing specific is coming to mind, but really just.

I think watching, like, it doesn't even have to be.

A lot of these people just lead by example.

Like, Oliver leads by example, Brandy leads by example.

Rustin Kelly leads by example.

They're.

What they all have in common is that they're great humans on and off stage.

And I think that is something that I have really wanted to make sure that I implement forever.

Because it's like, I did hear Brandi say one time that you meet the same people on the way up that you do on the way down.

What would that mean?

It's like, be nice to everyone you come across.

I mean, if not because that's just what you should do, but also because you never know who's gonna take off and take you with them or who's gonna.

It's like, the more friends you have in this industry, I think the better.

And it seems obvious, but not everybody implements that, so.

But if you look at Brandi, you can.

You can see why that's really, really worked.

So to no one, she does, and it's cool.

So I definitely want to mirror that and do the same in my career.

So what would you want your impact, your music to impact a listener that, say, maybe doesn't see eye to eye with you?

I think just maybe think about.

Make them think about an experience that's different than theirs.

They don't even necessarily have to agree with it, to just think about it and think about, oh, well, that wasn't my experience, but what would have that been?

What would that have been like?

And I'm.

I'm really surprised to find that a lot.

Some I've gotten people who have come up to me before say that, like, I was kind of like a homophobic piece of shit and somebody introduced me to your music and it, it made me, it made me think about it.

And now I'm, I'm, I, I, I get it.

And I'm excited.

I'm sure it wasn't just me.

Like, the culture probably, yeah, changed as well, but that's just the craziest thing I've ever heard.

I, In a good way, you know?

Yeah, it's cool.

Like, kind of circling back to what we were saying in the beginning of the episode.

It's crazy that songs can have that type of power.

Yeah.

So looking down the road, trying to wind this up, what do you hope the Katy Pruitt official legacy will be?

I just want to keep the legacy collection is just a collection of songs that are honest and true to myself and, I don't know, I want to be able to play a two hour set acoustic to the To Red Rocks with the Colorado Symphony.

I want a catalog that big and expansive and immersive that, like, I can put on that type of show eventually.

So that's the goal.

I just want, I want people to be able to really, really get something from it, and I want to be able to get something from it.

And yeah, I just, I want to be good enough to just keep getting to do this.

So any, any skateboarding tips?

Wear a helmet.

There you go.

You were not wearing a helmet in your most recent.

That was a longboard.

Longboards are slightly safer.

I don't get on my actual skateboard anymore because I've just gotten injured too many times and I don't want to have to cancel a tour.

So.

Yeah, take care of yourself.

Exactly.

You're dancing across the stage, rocking the guitar.

Yeah, Kitty.

So I wanted to.

Maybe we'll just open this up for you now to share a parting thought.

Yeah, I don't know if I have any parting thoughts, but yeah.

Thank you guys for this conversation.

I feel like it kind of made me, made me think about why I do this and why I want to keep doing it.

And I think the industry can be pretty, especially social media and all that.

It can be pretty vapid sometimes day to day, but like, yeah, it's deeper than that and it goes beyond just.

I don't know it.

Songs can really make their way into people's lives and become important.

And so thank you for reminding me of that.

Well said.

I'd say listen to these albums and go see Katie live because she puts on a great show.

Great show.

Thank you so much.

Thanks for joining Zach and I for this episode of American Americana Curious.

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