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Heaven Earth Church Podcast – Melissa Bryant Interview

Episode Title: HEC Conversations: Melissa Bryant

Host: Dr. Brad Miller

Guest: Melissa Bryant

Episode Summary

In this heartfelt episode of the Heaven Earth Church Podcast, host Dr. Brad Miller sits down for an in-depth conversation with Melissa Bryant, a school counselor and devoted member of the Heaven Earth Church community. The episode is a genuine look at Melissa’s journey—from her deep family roots in Franklin, Indiana, to her evolving faith life and active role in the church. Through stories both personal and professional, Melissa shares how her passion for helping others and her pursuit of authentic spiritual community led her to Heaven Earth Church, where acceptance, vulnerability, and lasting impact are key values.

Key Takeaways

1. The Need for Authentic Community and BelongingMelissa Bryant discusses her experiences “church shopping” after college, searching for a place where she could both question and belong. She highlights how difficult it can be for single women to find meaningful spaces in traditional church settings and emphasizes what makes Heaven Earth Church special: its inclusive, conversational style and respect for diverse voices. Melissa describes how her first impressions—receiving a Christmas card from a fellow member and being invited into dialogue during services—demonstrated an openness and warmth that were missing elsewhere. She underscores that at Heaven Earth Church, “if you don’t think you fit in church, you will fit in here,” noting the church’s ability to welcome those with “church baggage” and offer real connection.

2. Vulnerability and Real Life Struggles are Welcome Here The conversation dives deep into the value of vulnerability in both church and daily life. Melissa Bryant shares how previous church experiences sometimes failed to address real-life struggles and instead pushed “toxic positivity.” At Heaven Earth Church, she found a supportive environment where difficult emotions and honest questions were met with compassion—not judgment. She explains how this realness is not just accepted but encouraged: whether it’s mental health challenges, doubts about faith, or tough seasons of life, the church community meets people where they are. Her own experiences with sharing pain and questioning doctrine were met with empathy and openness, especially in her conversations with Pastor Ross Stackhouse, allowing her to feel truly heard and safe.

3. Making a Lasting Impact—Inside and Out As a school counselor who works directly with students facing housing insecurity and other challenges, Melissa Bryant is passionate about making a difference in her community. She praises Heaven Earth Church for its mission to create lasting impact—highlighting their response to local disasters like tornadoes, their partnerships with recovery ministries, and their commitment to tangible help through food pantries and clothing closets. Beyond the Sunday service, Melissa points out how tiny church groups and small group ministries offer support and friendship, citing the joy and growth she’s found as both participant and leader. For Melissa, being part of Heaven Earth Church means actively living out her values, both professionally and personally, in a space designed to serve and empower others.

Listen to this episode to hear:

• Insights on what makes a church truly welcoming and inclusive.
• Reflections on faith, questioning, and personal growth.
• The importance of vulnerability and real-life support in spiritual communities.
• Practical ways Heaven Earth Church makes an impact locally.
• Why
• Melissa Bryant
• feels at home—and how you can find belonging too.

If you’re searching for an open, conversational, and genuinely supportive faith community, Heaven Earth Church just might be what you’re looking for. Tune in and discover what “home” can mean.

For more information or to connect, visit heavenearthchurch.org.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Hello, good people, and welcome to the Heaven Earth Church podcast. This is the podcast which is part of the church that has a mission of helping to make a lasting impact in our community. I'm Brad Miller, the producer of the podcast and in our podcast conversations, we love to have conversations with people who are part of the community here at Heaven Earth Church. And today our guest is Melissa Bryant. Melissa, welcome to our conversation.

Melissa Bryant:

Well, thank you for having me.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Awesome. Well, let's just start here. Melissa, where are you from? What's hometown for you?

Melissa Bryant:

Not far. Franklin.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Franklin.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, tell me, tell us a little bit about growing up in Franklin, about your home life or just something cool about growing up in Franklin.

Melissa Bryant:

Okay. Long time family history in Franklin. I think I counted back once. I'm like the seventh generation in Johnson County. My mom worked at the hospital my whole life. So the same maternity ward that I was born, born in, she worked in, my dad was born in. Growing up in Franklin was fun. We moved to the boundary of Franklin and Edinburgh.

Melissa Bryant:

So although I had a Franklin address, I actually went to Edinburgh schools and then always went to church in Franklin. I was Franklin Christian Fellowship at the time, so I felt like I was kind of between two towns, but it was good.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, you can answer one of the questions I was going to ask you, where you went to school at. You went to Edinburgh?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, and then I went to Franklin College. So again, didn't go very far.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, what'd you study at Franklin College?

Melissa Bryant:

I studied psychology. Fascinating. Loved it. Kind of means you need to get a second degree after that. So I got my master's in school counseling at Butler.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Oh, really? Okay, awesome. Well, and then, so what does that track led you into, career wise? What are you up to that way?

Melissa Bryant:

I am a school counselor at Custer Baker Intermediate School. So that's fifth and sixth grade and I rotate with the kids. So I will stay with fifth grade for two years into sixth grade. So right now I have a group of sixth graders and that's, you know, that 11, 12 range. They're super fun.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, tell me one thing that's super fun about that. One kind of an example of something that's super fun about that.

Melissa Bryant:

I really like the age group because they're young enough to still be silly with you. And so I feel like I can do silly voices and maybe like silly gestures or activities with them, but they're old enough to start understanding those more advanced concepts. So you can also kind of talk about some pretty heavy things or do some, you know, philosophical ideas with him.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. As A counselor. I imagine once in a while you run into some kind of challenging circumstances. Is that fair?

Melissa Bryant:

Oh, yeah, it's fair. As a counselor, like, you just. You end up talking to DCS a lot or working with parents about different home situations. Students experience death and offering support in just lots of ways. I think people would be surprised at, like, the housing, housing insecure students we have. We just always have a running list and so just lots of different ways that we try to support.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So is the area, the topic of housing insecurity something that's kind of caught your attention in terms of what you've been working with there?

Melissa Bryant:

It's one of my bigger focuses in the office. I mean, I do my daily job, but we have a food pantry and a clothing closet where we keep resources for kids and like, at the school. At the school, yeah. In the last couple years, that room has been a priority because I inherited all this stuff from the previous counselors. And in the last year, just been trying to organize and sort and make it functional to give the things away that we have and to know what we have to give it away.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Okay, so very important that you're providing, helping provide kids. Not only are educational circumstances, but real life stuff. They're all integrated, right? Yeah. Your physical needs are integrated with your educational things. And we're having church. We like to talk about integration also with your spiritual life and that type of thing as well. So tell a little bit about your kind of your church history, your spiritual history growing up. You mentioned you're part of the Franklin Christian Fellowship.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah. So that church kind of grew from another church, but so was kind of in the same church family or the church group my whole growing up period through high school and maybe a little bit of college. So had a really strong foundation there. Non denominational in the sense of, you know, what we see in the area where. I think I would say there are some strong Baptist roots to that. I've heard other people disagree, but just a very strong culture of centering your life around Jesus and having parents who. It was a big priority to them.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Your parents were involved with this church as well?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, absolutely. My mom was on leadership at points, and my dad, you know, has his own relationship and yeah, it was always important.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Oh, that. That's awesome. And then, so what first got you connected or how'd you first have. How did I have an earth church kind of get on your radar, so to speak? How'd you get aware about the church here?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, so in college, I think a lot of young Christians can agree that you get challenged a little bit about some of the thoughts or ideas you were given or you inher, and you start questioning whether, like, ooh, is this mine? Is this what I believe? And so at that point, I kind of realized the church that I'd grown up in wasn't the space for me. It didn't feel like it anymore. And that led to just a lot of church shopping a bit, going around, trying different churches with my mom, and.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Then so with your mom. So she was kind of doing some similar.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, my whole family kind of stepped away from that church for a while. And it's funny, they're back at that church and they have that community there, and it's beautiful, and they love it. I've found myself here, and I'm very content. But, yeah, doing a little bit of that. Working night shift jobs that made it hard to go to church at all. So I had kind of periods of nothing. And I was recommended Heaven Earth after, you know, like, five years of doing that. And I went to the website, and Ross has some blog posts on there that just shed some light that this was a place I was very interested in.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, before we get a little deeper on that, I'm really interested in what you kind of. You said you were church shopping. I hear that relatively often from people looking around. What were some things that you noticed that you kind of thought, okay, this is something I can resonate with and other things you can do. No, not for me. What are some things you discovered in your shopping period?

Melissa Bryant:

I think one of the biggest things for me as a woman was finding a place where I felt like women had a place they belonged. And as a single woman, I really think sometimes the church doesn't know what to do with us. And so, like, was there a place for me as a single woman to connect? Because it's very natural for mothers to come into a mother's group or couples to go into a couples group, or even teens to go into, like, a teens group. But being a single woman felt different. And then the way churches interacted with the scripture and women, was the role to be submissive, to be quiet. Were there women, you know, loud and proud in leadership? I was looking for a place that, as a woman, I felt like I belonged. I was listened to.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So you didn't feel like you wanted your voice in any way controlled or suppressed or anything along that line? Right?

Melissa Bryant:

I mean, no more than, like, the rest of the congregation. I think people have to be quiet to listen. And so I'm not Wanting to be loud the whole time. But I wanted a place where my opinion mattered. And it. It felt like we respected women in that way.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. And some of that's kind of doctrinal. Some have a doctoral thing about, you know, their understanding of scripture. Is it different for men and for women and things of that nature? And that's part of what you were looking for?

Melissa Bryant:

It sounds like probably the biggest part.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, yeah. So that was a huge factor for you.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Good, good, good. Well, tell me then. So you. You were recommended. So you checked out the blog post and the website, and do you remember. Tell me a little bit about some first impressions when you actually came to check out something here in heaven or church. Give me some sense about your first impressions.

Melissa Bryant:

I remember coming in winter and Bobo, if you go to church here, handed me a Christmas card pretty immediately from her, and I was like, wow, everyone is very friendly. I'm already receiving Christmas cards. And then I think, like a lot of people, the conversation style that we have, we don't often call it a sermon even. We call it like a Sunday conversation. That was so intriguing to me that our pastor would ask a question and want to hear an answer. It wasn't hypothetical. Everyone kind of had a place to speak and have a voice. And I kind of love that.

Melissa Bryant:

It changes the direction of the conversation sometimes.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, yeah. So you kind of had a bit of an aha moment, as it were. So apparently that was not a part of your experience prior in churches.

Melissa Bryant:

No, I think in churches you sit and you listen. It's lecture style more so. And having a counseling background probably changes my opinion a little bit. But being in a conversation like that and communing and sharing ideas is very small, group therapy based. And it felt like a therapy style. It felt like, this is therapy. This is great.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And tell me about a kind of a next step. You know, part of the initial part is your first impressions. You got a Christmas card and you kind of observed the conversational style and the messages and that type of thing. And then there comes a point when people often kind of take a little bit of a risk for a next step to make some sort of a connection. Was there any kind of a moment like that for you, Melissa?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, I think I volunteered to work in ministry. Growing up in the church, I know that when you work alongside someone or do a project with someone, that's where your bonds are formed and that family feeling. So I said I'd work with kids. I work with kids every day. It's one of my skill Sets. So I knew that that would probably be my next route. I'm not going to join worship team. Probably not be a door greeter, but kids I can handle.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And so you did that. So tell them a bit of you volunteered with the children's church, which happens concurrent to the worship service.

Melissa Bryant:

Yes.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So tell me a little bit of how that went. Just who'd you meet there? And a lot of the kids. But who did you meet there? How'd that go in getting connected with the children's ministry?

Melissa Bryant:

I think unexpectedly for me is when I first started, it was just one volunteer back with the kids at a time. So I wasn't necessarily bonding with the adults, but I was making connections with the kids. And then when you make connections with kids, you bring them back out to church, you start making connections with parents. So that was kind of an unexpected route. I thought I was more going to start building those relationships with my fellow teachers, but I ended up just making it more with the parents.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, yeah. And so that's kind of your point of connection then. I also know you had mentioned earlier about wanting connection, big connection with other people, kind of similar age group or other women and this type of thing maybe for other single folks or anything along that line. Were you able to make any connections along that line or make friendships or anything along that line?

Melissa Bryant:

Well, if you've gone to church here, you've probably had coffee with Ross at some point. And so I think it was the second time I got coffee with Ross. I said, I love this church, but where are the people my age? Like where's my connection? I was making connections with parents and that was great. But I did feel like that was me missing. And so Ross and I talked about it and he had an idea for a small group to start. And so that connection became a small group outside of, you know, the church service where there were like 20s and 30s coming together with lots of different backgrounds. So whether you say like single or women, I just felt like we had a mix match.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So you were different, but you had some similarities and some more or less a troop type of thing.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So tell me how that's. And I know you were part of the kind of helping that to happen. And so tell me how that's going.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, so I don't want to say I was part of it happening, but I was part of the like drive saying it was, it was needed and so the first round of it. And I think most of our small groups work this way where it has like an eight week cycle and then you take a break for a bit and then it starts back up. I wasn't a leader in the first round. I just got to participate and love loved it. It was great to meet people. And our small groups I think are interesting because I think they. We don't even call them small groups. We call them tiny church because for some people that is their church for the week.

Melissa Bryant:

They don't come to Sunday service, but they do the Wednesday and that is their tiny church. And that home style church I think is really beautiful. And after we did the first round, one of the leaders took a step back and then I became one of the leaders. So we're about to start. I think it might be the third or fourth cycle and I'll be leaving that.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Good. Tell me about a moment there. You don't have to give any names or anything. Yeah. But just kind of a moment when you kind of had. Okay, this is kind of a moment when something cool is happening or even a God moment. It might have been happening in a small group setting.

Melissa Bryant:

I mean, my first thought is I invited a friend to join and I guess I won't say her name, but I invited her to join. We did college together and I know she's not a Christian but she's very spiritual and said, hey, this is kind of our topic, I feel like I want to invite you. And she was like super into it. Came like did extra research every time we had maybe like a work or a home practice to do. She came with pages of notes and added such perspective to the conversations because I think sometimes when you're in a church setting or in a small group setting like that, you run into having a lot of people with the same experiences or like all of them being raised in the church and being fed similar doctrine. And she came and just kind of wrecked some of that in really beautiful ways because our space is to be open, to be beginners and to question. And I just love the energy she brought to it and continues to bring to it. And she's probably like one of the biggest supporters of this group and really getting probably the most out of it.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, it sounds like that was just a really fulfilling experience for you that you invited her and she added so much. And I assume if she had to be getting something out of it too or she would have been.

Melissa Bryant:

Oh yeah, I think the community aspect.

Dr. Brad Miller:

The community aspect aspect. That's awesome. Well, that kind of. Right. One of the things that is we say around heaven or church, it's on the website and said often Is something to the effect of, if you don't think you fit in church, you will fit in here. Tell me, Melissa, how do you resonate with that statement? Do you think it's true? And if so, how so?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, I think it is true. One of my first revelations about the church after meeting and talking with people is that we have a lot of people in this church with a lot of church baggage and maybe, like, not positive baggage. And I don't. Maybe church trauma is a good way to say it, but a group of people that are like, maybe I never want to go to church again. And a lot of them have found their way here and enjoy it. So what I think we have here is a space for a lot of different ideas. And I have told Ross before, like, the toxic positivity in church drives me up a wall. Like I've been told before.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, yeah. And I've been told before, like, we'll just enjoy the journey. And, like, as someone who struggles with, like, mental health sometimes and has had just, like, life circumstances, it's like, no, this is not an enjoyable journey. I can't just smile through it. And I think we've got a group of people here that will just be honest and be like, wow, this sucks. This is awful. And being real about it makes it easier. I know.

Dr. Brad Miller:

I joke that community aspect comes into play there. There's community where it's not just enjoy the journey. It is. We're in this together whether it sucks or not.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That's awesome. And so you've seen some examples of that kind of out of your own life and maybe some others where people may not have fit in someplace else, whatever. Have found a place here.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah. Where the sermons maybe didn't hit home the same way because the message was just like, God's got you. And Ross is very open about his own very difficult times in saying, no, this season is hard, and I'm really trying. And I think there's something very real in that and human that is it gives us all a space to be like, oh, okay, we can be real.

Dr. Brad Miller:

About it with the vulnerability, real life stuff that happens with whether it's mental health or physical illness or raising kids or single life, Any number of things that go on with people's lives that are.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, there's so much vulnerability here. Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And I assume that you kind of resonate with that because you have a psychological psychology background. And so you're kind of, you know, I could tell you kind of got analyze those things a little bit. That's the type of person that you are. And then you also live it out in your work as well. You're dealing with people because real life means that you're dealing with the psychological, the real life, you know, how you pay the bills and all that stuff and how you do those things. So it sounds like your experience here is kind of helping you navigate and maybe helping others navigate real life stuff. Is that fair?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah. And I think it's been validating because I, you know, was going to push through life no matter what. But it's validating to hear like, I'm not doing it wrong or, you know, the whole. I think a lot of people that grew up in the church don't want to be bad Christians or like I should. Should just be hearing God more or I just need to lean into God more in this. And it's like, no, sometimes it's hard. And that isn't because you're doing it wrong. It isn't because you aren't reading the Bible enough.

Melissa Bryant:

It's just seasons, and that's where community comes in.

Dr. Brad Miller:

I think there's something kind of organic about that in the sense, you know, you have seasons and you have times when you're good and sometimes you're not good. And it's organic rather than kind of a ritualistic, erote kind of thing, you know, that I think is part of what's going on here.

Melissa Bryant:

Most.

Dr. Brad Miller:

One of the things we say around heaven or church, in fact, it's kind of the mission of the church is that heaven or church exists to make a lasting impact in our community. So let's unpack that one a little bit too, like we did the earlier statement. So first of all, do you think. What do you think about that mission statement and are we living that out and how's it being lived out?

Melissa Bryant:

I think the church is living it out. I try to do it in my daily life, but I'm so proud of my church. I think I joined around the time that we had the hurricane. Hurricane, tornado. It's like, no, we don't have those. The tornado came through and I was so proud that our church took such a leadership point in trying to offer resources and be that space for people. I think our recovery ministry here and recovery church, I told Ross, like, it may be separate from the church. They may do it on a different night in the week.

Melissa Bryant:

It completely changes the way that we consider church here and the way that we just make space for people to make mistakes and to welcome people back. It's really beautiful. So I think we make that lasting impact in a local way where we're providing those resources. And I think, Ross, that's a very good example for how we can be present to the people around us. And the church does a very good job at showing how we can take care of each other as a community.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So you're aware about some of the various partnerships that the church has with various agencies in the community, and that's a part of what we do here as well. Tell me about. I mentioned this in the small group setting, but have you seen in these other settings what we might call kind of an aha moment for you when you say, okay, this is now my church, or there's a God moment here, or there's something going on here that I really don't want to be a part of, but I want to share it with others.

Melissa Bryant:

So an aha moment for, like, when I felt like this was my church.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. Like, is your church kind of God is in my life through this experience.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah. It would probably be the first time that I had coffee with Ross. Like, I had, you know, those great experiences in the church, just visiting and kind of being quiet in the back. And that's what I would prefer is to kind of be an observer at the beginning anyway. But connecting with Ross, meeting for coffee, and then getting to share testimony doesn't feel like the right word. It was just like, pain. Like, share. Like, this is where I'm at.

Melissa Bryant:

These are the really hard things that I'm dealing with. And the deconstruction that I started with my faith from college to assess, like, okay, this is what I was given in doctrine. Is that what I believe? Does it line up with the Bible? Does it line up with who I feel God is? And sharing that pain, honestly, becoming emotional and the way he handled it was like, oh, there's a space here in this church to be who I am in every step, and I don't have to just make it be good or perfect.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So it sound like you allowed yourself to be vulnerable in that conversation in such a way that you felt safe enough to share those things. And so there was kind of a kind of God thing going on there. That's what I like to say, at least from my perspective.

Melissa Bryant:

I think it expands on that into, like, it was. Was like, I can get emotional probably at any time. The response that I received was what kept me is a response that wasn't like cringing or wasn't like shying away from, like, these ideas or wasn't saying, like, oh, be Careful having a thought like that because that leads you down this road. It was like, like, yeah, listen to God. Yeah, this is hard. It was just such a good response and I've gotten that from more people in the church too, so.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But it's kind of started with your relationship with Pastor Ross Stackows, kind of that openness to receive you and your vulnerability and not be anything close to judgmental or condemning or anyone along the line. Right, Perfect.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And so the vibe of the church overall resonates with that. Would you agree with that?

Melissa Bryant:

I completely would agree with that. Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. So let's kind of take this whole conversation here, Melissa, and then take it one more step. We've really. And I would say, you know, thank you for sharing here today. Some vulnerability about what you're all about here and you've shared how you've shared with some other people in your life. Let's just say there's a person in your life, coworker, family member, friend, who's going through whatever, some tough thing. Maybe they've had a health issue or maybe there's been some relationship problems or, you know, job related things. So they're having some tough times.

Dr. Brad Miller:

They've kind of confided in you and you and saying, you know, Melissa, you're my friend. You know, I just want to share with you. Could a part of your response be. And would you be comfortable with a part of your response being, well, hey, you know, glad to talk to you, glad to listen to you. I'm a counselor and so on, but maybe have our church, maybe there's some places here for you as well. Could that be part of that conversation you might have with that person?

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah, I think potentially, obviously, depends how the conversation's going. But I think what it would sound like is I have found a space here and it is a really unique space. I mean, feel like just visiting could be a really good experience for you.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. And then. So you feel comfortable inviting that person.

Melissa Bryant:

Yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Or part of an event here, whether it's a small group or a worship experience or something else. That's awesome. Well, so is there anything you. Let's just say that there's people. You know, you mentioned how you've explored and went a little deeper with Adventure Church by getting on the website, checking out the blog post and some of the other things that happened there. And we're working here on the assumption that other people are checking out having our church by what we're sharing here. So what kind of things might you just kind of share with Someone who might be checking out, having our church via our conversation here. What kind of things would you share with them that you might want to share in terms of what we have here and what might be available to them?

Melissa Bryant:

Okay. I would start by describing Heaven and Earth Church as just a very accepting place, a place where people can ask questions and not feel any shame about asking questions or. Yeah, it's conversational. Like the whole concept of talking in church. When Ross asks a question, and it's pretty common that we challenge him on some of the things he says, or he, like, asks us what our response is to someone, and everyone in the room is saying positive things, and then someone says, well, actually, that one's really hard for me. So I think there's a space for questions, for disagreement in a healthy, civil, like, supportive way. And so if you're looking for a space where you can just freely ask questions without judgment, I think this is the place.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That'S a great way for us to kind of bring this around. Anything else you just want to share out of our conversation here before we have. Before we close our conversation?

Melissa Bryant:

I think I've covered the things that I really care about.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah. It sounds like you really care about heaven or church.

Melissa Bryant:

I do, yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Feel like you found a home here?

Melissa Bryant:

I do, yeah.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Awesome. Awesome. Well, indeed. This church is all about helping people to make a connection to God in such a way that is reasonable and understandable and open and a place where vulnerable people can have a safe place to explore their faith without condemnation or without judgment and to take next steps. So I just want to say a big thank you to Melissa Bryant for being our guest here today on the Heaven and Earth Church podcast. I'm Brad Miller, the producer of the podcast. We invite Always Folks to check out Heaven, Earth Church and be in conversation with our pastor, Ross Stackhouse. You just go to our website, heavenearthchurch.org

Dr. Brad Miller:

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