Laura and Xhafer discuss the importance of the comma. Laura learns some new slang. Xhafer wants more numbers. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 14: The Woman King.

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Hello and welcome to, who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm Jair.

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Laura: And I'm Laura and I

have some important things

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we have to discuss to fair.

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Xhafer: Oh, you did not say

it like that before Pod.

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And now I am nervous.

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You said we had things to talk about

and I said on or off, and you said

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on, and now they're important things.

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Uh Oh.

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Laura: Really uh, really buried

the lead on that one, didn't I?

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Xhafer: did.

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I mean TBD, but

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Laura: So we just have to

issue our first formal, who are

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you apology to the listener.

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Xhafer: No, we don't.

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Laura: For neither of us acknowledging,

maybe neither of us knowing.

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I certainly didn't know that the episode

taking a break from all your worries.

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The title was a reference to Cheers.

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Xhafer: Oh,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Didn't, didn't know.

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That's the Cheers song.

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The, the theme song apparently.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And that's where we get the bar.

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So they were making like a little

jokey joke at us Jair that I never

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Xhafer: Yeah, I totally missed that.

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Laura: But there's probably more than one

person who yelled at their podcast app

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Xhafer: I don't think that that episode

hasn't aired yet as we're recording

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Laura: Oh, I'm pretending that

it has silly because of time.

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Xhafer: so someone will bring it up.

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Okay.

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That's fair.

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We experienced time

different than you, er.

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You are in our future.

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We are in your past.

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Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Aaron pointed that out when

he was listening for the edit.

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He was like, you didn't talk about that.

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And I was like, well, I didn't know that.

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Xhafer: I completely missed that.

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That makes sense.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Cheers.

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I think is probably a happier

show than that episode was.

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Boo.

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Xhafer: Does this episode have a

reason for its title to make sense?

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Laura: Yes.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: There's, there's one line.

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Laura: There's one line.

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That's it.

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That's the sense making.

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Yes.

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Xhafer: And as my title, my

name in the uh, chat today

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describes they missed a comma.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: It's not the woman

king, it's the woman king.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But it was probably funnier to

some writer to do it this way.

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Right.

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Xhafer: that writer.

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Laura: Okay.

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So that's thing one out of the

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Oh, is there more things?

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Oh,

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Laura: yeah.

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I just have two things and the thing

two is not nearly as like, interesting

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maybe to the listener, but I, you

know, the other, the other episode

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two, two episodes back, I think when

I got really mad at the show, it

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might've been taking a break from all

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Xhafer: the, the one where you were

just like, oh, the one where they

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boxed Deanna, and you were just

like, what the fuck's going on?

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The show's just not wrapping shit up.

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Yeah.

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Laura: I just got kind of, kind of really

mad a byproduct of like being really

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mad at the show was I was also just

really mad at my system of taking notes.

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I'd been taking them on my iPad

'cause I'd been trying not to

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have extra paper around anywhere.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Just

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Laura: But I just got

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Xhafer: paper waste,

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Laura: just got really fucking mad

at the iPad trying to take notes and

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like, my handwriting doesn't look the

same, you know, if you do notes on a

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electronic device, you know this, like

your handwriting does not look the same

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Xhafer: I would assume

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Laura: 'cause you don't get the

same like drag that you get from the

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Xhafer: I am famously team paper notes.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: and I mean, it's, it's not waste.

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They're all on my bookcase.

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I have, I mean, we, I, I'm sure

I've mentioned this before.

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I've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 notebooks

now filled on my, on my bookcase.

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Laura: I see

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Xhafer: From the past decade.

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Oh God, my camera's never

gonna be the same again.

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I've made a terrible error listener.

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Laura: We're professionals today.

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Xhafer: so, I got eight notebooks

and this is nine here and I've got, I

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did the math on it 'cause I'm getting

near the end of, I've gotten maybe

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four episodes of Pod left before

I need to move on to notebook 10.

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I like

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Laura: No, I, I did it.

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I, I went team paper,

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Xhafer: paper.

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Laura: I got

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Xhafer: notebook.

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Laura: Yeah.

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So at our half price books, they have

all these, like, I think they're called

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the Flametree brand or something,

and they're all very shiny and pretty

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Xhafer: That's a pretty

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Laura: and I got a bunch.

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Xhafer: It looks

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Laura: No, it, it just looks

like that it's, it's cardboard.

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And I, I did my first little paper

shuffling sounds for the listener there.

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First episode on paper and

I was less infuriated, so

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maybe it worked.

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Xhafer: I, I love my paper notes.

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I love my paper notes, and I am very,

very, very particular about my notebooks.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: If anyone is listening, especially

anyone who knows me personally, who's

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like, oh, I should get on my notebook as

a gift, that's a fun thing that he'll use.

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Please don't.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I get it.

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Xhafer: Um, they need to be

of certain sizes, and I'm very

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particular about needing dates, a

way to do dates on the top that is

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separate from the rest of the notes.

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And also, I don't want

the same notebook twice.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: Like I made a decision

very early on where it's all like,

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I'm not going to be able to get

the same notebook in perpetuity.

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And I am planning on using this

because I use this for everything.

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I use it for work, I use it for

d and d, I use it for podcasting.

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I use it for any notes

I'm taking whatsoever.

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You know, all of my remodeling notes

from the last 10 years from doing stuff

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around the house are in these notebooks.

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Everything I've ever needed to

write down is in these notebooks.

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And it's just like, I'm never gonna

be able to get the same notebook for a

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decade that also has the same formatting

style and stuff, it's just like I knew

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that it was never gonna happen, so now

I want them all to be distinct as like.

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Memories and like kind

of ways to keep time.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Now that I know that I've got like

two or three weeks left in this notebook,

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I will begin the search for the next one,

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Laura: Be in the hunt.

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Xhafer: and I will go to three or four

places and look at a lot of notebooks

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until I find the one that speaks to me.

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Laura: Mm.

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Xhafer: And sometimes I

find it way in advance.

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Sometimes I'm just in an aisle

looking at other stuff and

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I will see my next notebook

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and it's like, oh, I feel it.

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That's the one.

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And sometimes I'm like, crunch time.

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Just need to settle.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: But I, I'm, I'm weird

about it, but I'm happy.

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Team Paper, let's go.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I'm gonna, I'm gonna

give it a, a solid try.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Tactile.

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I appreciate that.

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It's the same reason

why I don't do eBooks.

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Anyways.

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Let's talk about Battlestar

Galactica season three, episode 14.

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The woman king.

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Laura: That's really bothering you, isn't

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Xhafer: it?

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sure is.

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Laura: Don't know.

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Maybe it's a, maybe it's a version of the

mislead like we have in the last time ons

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here, because there's some big misleads

where they're like, oh yeah, we totally

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told you about this, that no, you didn't

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Xhafer: I just remember like looking at

the list of worst episodes and going The

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woman king, it's one of the worst episodes

and I'm like, oh, that must be the one

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with the prostitution ring, that Lee bus.

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Right.

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That makes sense.

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Laura: uhhuh.

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Xhafer: No, that's black market.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: I honestly did not feel this

episode was as bad as its reputation.

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It led me to believe,

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Laura: so I was gonna say, we

needed to talk about that too,

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because I don't know if you just

successfully readjusted my expectations

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or.

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Fixed my writing style utensils pissing

me off by going to paper, or maybe

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a lot of the reviews of this episode

came from a different time, and now we

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have different feelings about this or

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: but I was like, I

don't think this was that bad.

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Like, there's a lot in it that

is going to affect my rating,

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but I, I was like, I don't think

this was worse than black market

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Xhafer: No, I don't think this was worse

than, and this to be clear, even on IMDB,

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this is not worse than black market.

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It is a bad episode.

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It is not the worst episode.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: but yeah, let's get into it.

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Uh, We get a last time on that just

makes shit up much like my other last

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time on, so we get extra scenes in here

and even the Battlestar Wiki calls this

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episode in particular out for stuff

that just was never shown before in

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the last time on, we get two scenes.

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One saying that there's a uh, been a bunch

of refugees living on the ship, which

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we've kind of seen little bits about.

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Laura: they're bringing more

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Xhafer: but they're bringing more

on and they're all Sagittarian.

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And also that they've put Hilo in

charge down there and that's what

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he's doing instead of being the exo.

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Laura: Yeah.

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we kind of knew Hilo wasn't the

XO anymore once Saul got back, but

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we had no idea what he was doing.

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And yeah, we're gonna learn

some more about Sagittarian.

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'cause right off the bat, the

last time on is setting up that

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like nobody likes these people.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We don't like those Sagittarians 'cause

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Laura: Yeah.

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Except D D's.

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Fine.

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D's one of the good ones.

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Xhafer: is such a

purposeful language choice.

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Laura: Yes it is.

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Yikes.

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Xhafer: In a, in a way that makes

me feel things which is good.

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That's, that's art.

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Speaking of art, we open on

Tim moa pin, cat, just showing

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off those fuck gutters, Hilo.

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Put those things away.

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Who

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Laura: I'm sorry, I don't

know what you said to me.

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Xhafer: fuck,

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Laura: are these words that you just said?

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Xhafer: fuck gutters are, you're not

familiar with the term fuck gutters.

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That's uh, when a, you're a dude's

super ripped and they get the,

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like indents that lead down in

between their legs and their abdomen

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Laura: yeah.

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No, I'd never heard that.

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Xhafer: actually blushing

Laura, right now.

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Laura: Wow.

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It could just be my shitty camera.

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Xhafer: It's not, we both

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Laura: Hmm.

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Okay.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: I'm, I'm glad I could add that

to your vernacular if nothing else.

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Laura: yeah.

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I can't wait to use it

when you hand me s slang.

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It's supposed to be things I can

say around my 11-year-old son to

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embarrass him, and that's not one

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Xhafer: that's not, no, no.

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Six, seven.

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This is not,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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. No, helos like, having his hour of

the wolf, if you will, to bring back a

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little Babylon five flavor for everybody.

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Xhafer: do.

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Laura: He is laying around awake.

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Then he gets up and just paces

for a while, and then he starts

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doing some paperwork as you

do if you really can't sleep.

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Like, why not?

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And he says he had a stupid dream,

and I really thought we were gonna

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hear more about that at some point.

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And we did not.

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Xhafer: Nope.

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It's probably in the extended cut

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Laura: Yeah.

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Or maybe they were like, man,

we've had too many people with

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stupid dreams around here.

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Let's just

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uh,

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Xhafer: Hilo.

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You get a pass.

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We've used this plot point too many times.

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if that comes back later.

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I'll, I'll know it was this moment

they were foreshadowing it with, but

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She's talking about there's 300 more

civilians total coming on board.

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We don't get a reason why there's no,

like the x, y, Z ship is broken down or,

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Xhafer: Why would these people

be coming here at this point?

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It's kind of weird timing.

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Laura: I would like to know.

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I I just gimme a line.

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Just gimme a one little

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Xhafer: Just one little line.

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That's all

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Laura: somebody's air recyclers

are malfunctioning or whatever

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Xhafer: No.

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Such luck.

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Laura: yeah.

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But she really wants him to make sure

to check on the baby during his shift.

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I'm not sure.

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Maybe there's a civilian run daycare

that interfaces with his work or

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Xhafer: something.

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I mean, if they're, if, if the

babies are happening at the rate

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that the survivor count makes

us feel that they're happening,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: there's probably a daycare.

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Laura: and I mean, you've, if

you've got 300 more refugees, how

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many other refugees do you have?

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Then

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They don't.

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Laura: they need their children cared for,

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Xhafer: I will say, and maybe this

is stereotyping myself, we don't

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get enough numbers this episode.

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I wanted more numbers.

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Laura: Numbers.

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Numbers,

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Xhafer: Make me do the math.

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I wanna do the math.

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Laura: okay.

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But yeah, he lives managing these

civilians and they have some really

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short cubicles for everybody.

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Like these things are like

waist height cubicles,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: no privacy at all.

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Xhafer: we're introduced.

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Well, one they call this

Dogville, by the way.

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Laura: Yeah, the, the military folks,

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Yeah.

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You don't really explain why either.

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Laura: it is not

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Xhafer: Uh, I'm sure it isn't.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Uh, We're introduced to Dr.

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Robert, a civilian doctor,

played by Bruce Davidson.

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He's a real, that guy.

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He was Senator Kelly in the two

thousands X-Men movie written by

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David Hader.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Senator Kelly.

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Not a good guy,

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Xhafer: No, he's typically not a good guy

and, but he does play lots of doctors.

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I did a little bit, 'cause

this episode didn't give me

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enough math, so I did some math

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and, Bruce Davidson has

almost 300 acting credits.

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Laura: Damn.

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Xhafer: he's a alien of the

week on Voyager and Enterprise.

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Laura: Oh fun.

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Which was he in Voyager?

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Did

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Xhafer: I didn't check,

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I just saw that he had a one

acting credit as an alien.

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Laura: It'd be great if

he was a doctor Alien.

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'cause that happens a couple of

times in Voyager that we have Doctor

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Xhafer: so he's a senator a few times.

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He's ace, well he's a senator nine

times out of those 300 acting credits,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: he's a reverend five times.

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He's a pope twice.

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Two different popes.

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Laura: How do you get to be pop twice in

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Xhafer: be Bruce Davidson, but he

is nearly 30 different doctors.

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Over his 300 acting credits.

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10% of all of his roles are doctor.

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Laura: He's got a real techno babble face.

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Like he can sell you that techno babble.

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Xhafer: Yeah, he checks out

a teenager real quick here.

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But it's a Sagittarian and

they don't believe in medicine.

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Laura: Hey, A

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Xhafer: Uh, Everyone has a bad

cough to theme, and man, this

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hits different after 2020.

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Laura: yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was sitting there puzzling.

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After the episode wondering, like,

I wonder if some of the bad feedback

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on the episode was from like times

that were contemporary to when this

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was out and people going, we can't

possibly believe that would happen.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Who would believe that people would

deny medicine during an active plague?

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That's absurd.

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That would never happen.

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Needleless to say listener, I'm gonna

make some jokes you might be uncomfortable

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with over the course of this episode.

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Laura: Ah, yeah.

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This one at first, I think this is

the point where I almost, I texted you

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later, but I almost texted you in the

moment and told you to fuck off because

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I thought this was gonna be Confessions

and Lamentations episode from Babylon

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five, and we're gonna have a whole Mark

Hab style event of the Sagittarians.

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And I was like, no, I'm

not doing this again.

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Xhafer: That was a lot rougher and

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2022.

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That was rough when we did that episode.

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Laura: I was like, oh, yikes.

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Yeah.

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We find out that Dr.

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Roberts too is like close with Saul.

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They're like card buddies

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Xhafer: he's a capric.

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He's one of the good guys, one of us.

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Laura: Oh

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Xhafer: He says that a lot this episode.

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Laura: yeah.

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It, I, I hadn't quite clocked it

here, but I, I, the second Dr.

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Roberts, Mr.

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Mike is introduced to us.

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I was like, oh, this guy's not

going to be around very long.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: he's been introduced

as good friends with Saul, and

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we've never met him before, and

we've never heard of him before.

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He's not

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Xhafer: But he was totally there.

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I knew Caprica with the resistance,

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Laura: Oh,

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Xhafer: soul trust him

immediately, which also coddle

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was, which means that these are the only

two doctors on the fleet, which means

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they had no doctor for a year in space.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And we, we heard that,

um, what's his name?

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Bulldog was going into the

care of another doctor.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: like said that.

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And so it was this guy.

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Xhafer: it must have been this guy.

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Laura: he just finished with Bulldog.

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Bulldog is just fine now.

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' because we brought him onto

Galactica to take care of refugees.

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So is Bulldog just fine?

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Xhafer: I hope Bulldog's fine.

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Laura: Me too.

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Yeah.

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He shouldn't have to go back to

Galactica if he didn't want to.

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Xhafer: There are reasons for him

to not want to go back to Galactica.

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Laura: For sure.

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For sure.

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Xhafer: Anyways, we hit that theme.

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41,401, were down two.

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We didn't see anybody die.

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Last episode.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: The Wiki was all like, oh,

these are probably Sagittarians with

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that disease that's going around.

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But the back of my mind is all like.

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It couldn't be that we just finally

decided to remember Hillard and

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Sergeant Fisher dying two episodes

ago and forgetting to count them in.

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Could it be,

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we wouldn't make a mistake

like that, but yeah.

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We come back from theme and we learn that

this thing going around is meac disease.

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It is not airborne, but being

a confined, confined spaces.

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And uh, cuddling will share it.

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It's totally curable.

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You just need some like ivermectin

but those sagittarians won't have it.

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And instead share their

communal water source.

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And I'm sure that's totally gonna be fine.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We have our little like coffee table chat

about Meac sickness and find out pretty

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quick that yeah, it's not, we're not in

a confessions and lamentations situation

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because this is real, real easy to cure.

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I think in that episode Dr.

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Franklin was like desperately chasing

down a cure and gets to it too late.

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if I remember correctly,

and if I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

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It's been a while since

we did Babylon five.

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But we get like everybody's ignorant shit

around the coffee table to uh, of tie.

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Like, hey, if they wanna die,

good riddance, let 'em go.

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And

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Xhafer: Ugh.

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Laura: Hilo is already having a

bad day 'cause our poor Jimbo can't

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help but feel for the other humans.

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Xhafer: Like things are so fucked.

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With the number of people

being alive, dwindling

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: that they're banning abortion.

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Right.

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That's like

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Laura: happened.

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That was a

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Xhafer: That's a thing that happened.

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That is, that is the mental reasoning.

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That's the gymnastics they've played

for banning abortion is we literally,

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the population can't survive

without making sure Absolutely.

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Everyone who can live lives.

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Laura: Yep.

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And that was Gem Andon kind of

forcing their ideas on everyone else.

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Yes.

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Xhafer: And that was okay.

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I'm air quoting here to be clear

listener, because I'm talking about

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the confines of the mental gymnastics

that some of these characters are

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doing, where that is acceptable.

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But the sagittarians can all die out

because they're refusing medicine.

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One would think the same logic

would apply, and if bodily atomos

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out the window for the sake of

the survival of the species.

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I don't know, maybe I'm asking too

much for consistency in these ideas.

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Laura: But the first one only

affects the bodily autonomy of women.

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Xhafer: Well, look,

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let me lecture you on

that real quick, Laura.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I mean, obviously that's part of it.

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Um, and it's just, it's racism and it's

a mirror in a lot of ways of, of, of

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terrible people with terrible ideas.

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And

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Laura: In the present day.

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Xhafer: in the present day

and in throughout history.

511

And they're not shying away from that,

which is good for science fiction to do.

512

Science fiction is a good way to tell

those stories to hold that mirror up and

513

go, this seems ridiculous, doesn't it?

514

Laura: Mm-hmm.

515

Xhafer: know, like who would believe

that this is something that you would do?

516

You know?

517

Um, that's what science fiction is there

for in a lot of very meaningful ways,

518

and that's what they're doing here.

519

So even though I'm personally

very upset spaghetti about the

520

entire thing, do understand.

521

Laura: It is.

522

It is working as designed.

523

Yes.

524

Xhafer: I

525

wish it

526

Laura: not a bug.

527

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

528

And the communal water source, you

were talking about them all sharing.

529

They've got this burdock

root tea that I think Dr.

530

Roberts tells us that they use

it as like a sedative, a calming

531

Xhafer: yeah,

532

Laura: but it doesn't do anything.

533

It's

534

Xhafer: yeah.

535

It's not chamomile.

536

CBDT, you know, it's

not gonna do anything.

537

Laura: yeah.

538

Xhafer: They just

539

Laura: It's all placebo effect or

whatever, if there's any effect.

540

And it's certainly not

going to cure meac sickness.

541

Xhafer: yeah.

542

Laura: You need the real

antibiotics for that.

543

Xhafer: we cut over to Colonial

One where Roslyn details b

544

tars pending fate to Tom Zarik.

545

Laura: Yeah.

546

Xhafer: this is just about

to be a bowl of riots?

547

Laura: Okay.

548

This might've been the most

interesting scene in all of the show.

549

Xhafer: I agree.

550

Laura: Just 'cause it's like a little

nugget that's just like, boop popped in

551

here and then we don't touch it again.

552

Xhafer: Well, we, we will just not

553

today.

554

Laura: Yeah.

555

It is clearly like just planting

the seeds for the next time, but

556

this made me wonder a lot of things.

557

Xhafer: Let's talk about it.

558

What things did you wonder?

559

Laura: So in this scene, Zurich

is predicting a hurricane disaster

560

for Rosalyn if she does this.

561

And he is all okay with like,

just do martial law, just martial

562

law it and kill him or whatever.

563

And it, it, we'll move

on and it'll be fine.

564

And I had Aaron look it up for

me because I wasn't sure and

565

I couldn't Google it myself.

566

Xhafer: Yeah.

567

Laura: Zurich is a Sagittarian.

568

Xhafer: Okay.

569

Laura: So, 'cause I, I remembered

in his introduction story that DOA

570

and Billy had their conversation

about, you know, the, the building

571

he blew up and it was on Sagittarian.

572

That's why Duo would have

like, feelings about it.

573

So I was like, I, I'm not

sure I understand this guy.

574

'cause he was like protesting

a corrupt government with the,

575

the blowing up of that building.

576

He says, but he's telling Rosalyn to

like, just, just do it, just martial law.

577

It just be the corrupt government and.

578

Get rid of this guy.

579

I mean, GAAS is dangerous for sure.

580

I, I, I cannot say he's not,

I cannot ignore that fact.

581

So I guess that's where, where

Erik is coming from is he is

582

too dangerous for us to give him

583

the rule of law.

584

But I thought that was such an

interesting thing for someone who was

585

protesting corruption in the colonial

government to, to take that tack.

586

Xhafer: Yeah, well it's,

it's, it's dichotomy, right?

587

Because ZE has gone from the person

protesting power to the person that went

588

in power is very willing to abuse it.

589

It's part of what makes

him a bad guy in this show.

590

Laura: Yeah.

591

Xhafer: and he's also, you know, the

guy who's like air locking everyone he

592

possibly can before there can be trials.

593

Laura: Mm-hmm.

594

Xhafer: Rosalyn takes over?

595

Laura: Yeah.

596

Xhafer: Um,

597

Laura: like, I, I know what happened.

598

I need my justice.

599

Xhafer: well, I don't even think it's his,

I don't think it's his personal justice.

600

I don't think he feels that way.

601

I think he's doing

humanity's justice in his

602

Laura: Yeah.

603

I think he sees it as like,

this has to happen, and if I

604

don't do it, no one's going to

605

Xhafer: Yeah.

606

It's all like, you know, Rosalyn will

get bogged down in the rule of law and

607

she won't be able to lead with a clean

conscience and we can't have that.

608

So I'm just gonna handle

609

this real quick.

610

Yeah.

611

And it's, he's not wrong.

612

There's

613

gonna be

614

Laura: be a problem.

615

Yeah.

616

Xhafer: there's gonna be a problem.

617

Voltar, I mean, I'm sure he wasn't a

popular president at the end of his

618

presidency, but he did win a popular vote

619

Laura: Yeah.

620

Xhafer: like he was a popular figure.

621

He

622

Laura: And he's slippery.

623

Xhafer: But I mean, you know,

he's a politician and he's only,

624

you know, people only see the

parts of him that are out there.

625

You know, they don't get to

see weird six PT sex stuff.

626

You know?

627

We, we as an audience are keenly

aware because we have his perspective

628

to know how shitty gais actually is.

629

Laura: Yeah.

630

Xhafer: And everyone else just,

just gets the smile and the turn,

631

you know, and the speech.

632

Exactly.

633

So, and there'll be a lot of that though.

634

A trial is a very public thing

in which to grandstand and he's

635

very good at grandstanding.

636

Laura: It's a problem.

637

I can foresee it now.

638

Xhafer: Yeah.

639

So he knows it's gonna be an issue.

640

And so he's just like, you know,

be prepared to declare martial law.

641

You, you probably gonna

have to, it's gonna be bad.

642

Laura: Mm-hmm.

643

Xhafer: And when she's

all like, eh, we'll see.

644

He's all like, cool.

645

I'm gonna go find a ship to hang out on

where I don't have to worry about things.

646

Laura: He does say that I'm

here for you when you need me.

647

Xhafer: Yeah.

648

Laura: So there, there's still that

649

Xhafer: he is also like, let's

just go to the Winchester and

650

wait for this thing to blow over.

651

So,

652

Laura: Yeah.

653

No, he, is clearly rattled

and Rosalyn picks up on it.

654

She's like, he's actually frightened,

655

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

656

Laura: uh Oh.

657

Xhafer: We go back to Galactica here

where the mom of the sick teen goes

658

to Halo's office to say that her son

is dead and that he was killed by Dr.

659

Robert.

660

Laura: Mm-hmm.

661

Yeah.

662

As, as she like, comes through a, a swarm

of people who are also demanding that

663

the sagittarians be taken away 'cause

they're dirty and unclean and sick and,

664

Xhafer: they're sick and they

won't take their medicine.

665

Please get them out of here

so that I don't get sick.

666

Laura: yeah.

667

Xhafer: They're having, you know,

meac disease sharing parties,

668

Laura: yeah.

669

Xhafer: you know, coughing

on each other and stuff.

670

Laura: she ha has this accusation that Dr.

671

Roberts killed her son and

he's like, you just didn't get

672

him the medicine fast enough.

673

Like if he just had it

sooner, it would've been okay.

674

She does say in this conversation,

I'm pretty sure that her son had only

675

been sick for like six to 12 hours or

676

Xhafer: Yeah.

677

Laura: but everyone very

clearly dismisses that.

678

Xhafer: Yeah.

679

Laura: She's, she is unreliable narrator

because she has these beliefs, so we are

680

just not gonna listen to her timeline.

681

He'd probably been sick for

two or three days too long.

682

Makes sense.

683

Yeah.

684

Xhafer: Yeah.

685

Laura: That's key

686

Xhafer: the pattern air quotes, the

pattern with the sagittarians per

687

our doctors are that they'll hold off

medicine hoping for not needing it, and

688

then only accept it at the last minutes

when it's not gonna be effective enough,

689

is something we hear repeated

many, many times this episode.

690

Laura: And seems like logical

enough to just like, okay,

691

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

692

Hilo talks to the doctor and gets his

vax to help with his 5G or whatever

693

turn the frogs gay, I don't know,

whatever, mercury or something.

694

And then goes down to the bar uh,

where racetrack, Apollo star, bees,

695

GATA, and Tero are all playing like.

696

Bar Pyramid darts.

697

Laura: I called it ski ball

698

Xhafer: It's like ski ball, but it

699

Laura: it's like ski ball, but

you just throw it, you just

700

like shot, put it at the wall.

701

Xhafer: Yeah, there's no ski.

702

But as a, as someone who loves ski

ball, like I'm, I don't know that I'm

703

ever gonna be a person who's got like

an arcade in their house or anything.

704

Laura: Mm-hmm.

705

Xhafer: Like that's

something that's popular.

706

Especially I have, I have friends who have

a bunch of arcade machines, or at least

707

a couple, you know, will do the thing.

708

I have a buddy who has like an entire

arcade set up in his garage and it's just

709

like, I just want a ski ball machine.

710

I'd love a ski ball

machine in my basement.

711

Laura: Yeah.

712

I'm no good at it, but I

would come over and play ski

713

Xhafer: Hell yeah.

714

I've thought about building

my own a couple of times, but

715

I got other shit I need to build first.

716

Laura: none of these people

playing slam ski ball are nice

717

to the Sagittarians at all.

718

Xhafer: Nope, not interested.

719

Laura: Not even with DOA in the room.

720

Xhafer: And I mean, she's pissed too.

721

Laura: Yeah.

722

Xhafer: all like, they, they get all

truthiness and science denial and she's

723

all like, they do it to themselves.

724

Laura: Yeah.

725

Tiarra does some interesting mirroring

of an attitude Saul had earlier

726

that was shown in the last time on.

727

They're like reminding

you about Saul's attitude.

728

And then Tyrell's like doing the same

thing, but about the Sagittarians.

729

So it's like, huh.

730

That's, that's interesting.

731

Nothing is new.

732

Nothing is new.

733

Xhafer: Yeah.

734

Laura: But yeah, Dee is doing her

thing of like, yeah, I left all that.

735

And we've heard that she had like

disagreements with her family

736

probably over religious stuff.

737

Right.

738

This kind of thing.

739

Maybe we haven't gotten the full

details on her whole dad issue.

740

Right.

741

Xhafer: No,

742

Laura: Do we ever

743

Xhafer: I don't remember.

744

I think there's some stuff we get

later, but I might be remembering

745

stuff that we've already gotten

and that's just all we get.

746

Laura: Okay.

747

Xhafer: a while.

748

Laura: Yeah, I was thinking here was

where we were gonna get like more

749

substance even around du and Nope.

750

Xhafer: wait.

751

I'm supposed to just say maybe.

752

Sorry.

753

Maybe,

754

Laura: oh, here's another

interesting thing.

755

This might be the second

most interesting scene.

756

Xhafer: Yeah.

757

Is it Athena going to visit Caprica six?

758

Laura: Yes.

759

Xhafer: Yeah.

760

The, they're just hanging out.

761

You know, Raus is there too.

762

Laura: Yeah.

763

The fact that Raus was back,

I, I had wondered if we were

764

ever gonna see GR again.

765

Xhafer: Yeah,

766

Laura: So confirmed.

767

Dang raus still around.

768

Xhafer: Raus is still around.

769

And coaching CAPA on humanity.

770

Laura: Hmm.

771

Don't like this.

772

Xhafer: Bad

773

teacher.

774

Laura: yeah.

775

His coaching is just like, to

be a human, you have to do the

776

most selfish thing at all times.

777

Think only of yourself.

778

And then I was like, huh.

779

'cause

780

Xhafer: That is very guy advice.

781

Like

782

Laura: yeah.

783

But I was like, Kraus seems to have

like a distilled, bad gaas energy.

784

Like,

785

Xhafer: think it's just a, a

distilled gaas energy, but yes.

786

Laura: okay, yes, but like he's

distilled in like the worst

787

way guys could possibly be.

788

Right?

789

And if six PT is the same

thing, she's like distilled

790

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

791

Laura: bad, selfish, silent, and

he's distilled bad, selfish human.

792

And that's what both of

them have in their heads.

793

Counseling each other.

794

That seems bad.

795

That seems real bad.

796

Xhafer: It is, but not as, bad as

Rosalyn and Tori must feel watching

797

her air make out with Raus Kiss.

798

Laura: okay, but that was so funny to me.

799

Xhafer: They're just like,

what the fuck is going on?

800

Laura: You got your boss babe Duo in

here, and Rosalyn's like sipping her

801

coffee, observing this whole thing.

802

You know, Athena goes in and does

what I assume she's been told to do,

803

right?

804

Of go see Kaka six, be nice to her and

see if you can find out why she's here.

805

she doesn't know, so she can't

tell anyone why she's here.

806

She's just like, I don't even know

what the hell I'm doing myself.

807

So Athena doesn't really get

anything out of her, but that's not.

808

The whole point, like the point

is to also like get a foot in the

809

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

810

Laura: and we got our boss babes

sipping their coffee, watching the

811

weird stuff and going, this is weird.

812

Xhafer: It's a bit much.

813

Laura: I was so glad that somebody

said it like, 'cause all the times that

814

Gaas was like doing weird shit in the

halls and it just goes unremarked upon.

815

I was like, thank you Rosalyn.

816

It is weird.

817

Xhafer: Down in the Hooverville, it's

getting hostile as the Sagittarians claim.

818

Dr.

819

Robert killed an old man because

he gave him the immunization

820

and then like immediately died.

821

It just like, that doesn't seem right.

822

Laura: Yeah, that's.

823

That's not how that works.

824

Even if like you have

waited too long or whatever.

825

but Helo pulls out the

guns to get everybody off.

826

Dr.

827

Roberts and finds out that not only did

he give this to the guy and he immediately

828

dies, but it was against his will.

829

Xhafer: Yeah.

830

Laura: the guy was unconscious,

831

didn't have a choice.

832

And Hilo is immediately suspicious

and goes straight to the command team.

833

Xhafer: Yeah, as he should, he sits

down with Papa, dama, ty, and Coddle,

834

and gets told the fucking deal with it.

835

Laura: Yeah.

836

At this point I was uh, the second

that mama King went in and talked

837

to Hilo, I was like, oh, no.

838

Maybe he is killing people

when he has this conversation

839

with Adama, ty, and Coddle.

840

I was a little afraid one

or more of them was in on it

841

Xhafer: Yeah.

842

Laura: and they were just of the

opinion, like situation is desperate.

843

Not that they were in on necessarily

like killing people, but just like

844

letting them die was fine with them

and expediting them out the door.

845

You know, maybe

846

because their reactions to Hilo are

so strong that this is unfounded.

847

How dare you?

848

With Ty, I understand it.

849

We've established that they're cards,

buddies, their friends, they had their

850

time and the resistance on new Capria.

851

So Ty is not gonna hear of it.

852

Adama, I think his stance is just

like, I have too much shit going on.

853

I cannot take another thing.

854

So don't bring it to me unless you

actually saw the crimes, because I'm busy.

855

I've got a s in one cell and

Gais baltar in the other and

856

Xhafer: Shit's going down.

857

I've got other things to

worry about right now.

858

Laura: and then coddle, I'm not, I'm,

it's gotta be professional reputation

859

for him that like triggers this

860

Xhafer: I think that's fair.

861

Laura: Like he's probably vouched for Dr.

862

Roberts in some ways or maybe even

trained him up because we know that there

863

hasn't been a lot of medicine available.

864

so he's like, don't, how

dare you attack doctors.

865

We're the only ones out here doing

this kind of hard life saving work.

866

but yeah, all three of them

have a very bad knee jerk.

867

And Saul's is bad enough to like track

Helo down in the hallway and accuse

868

him of loving underdogs too much.

869

And he de, he Ty like throws some

sort of accusation at him about

870

Sharon and his wife or whatever,

and Helo winds up just decking him.

871

Xhafer: Yeah, Saul talk shit

gets hit and I really don't

872

feel for Saul at all in this.

873

Laura: Nope.

874

I was like, finally.

875

Xhafer: Right.

876

Laura: Yeah,

877

Xhafer: This fucking guy.

878

Laura: Saul is kind of like

too little, too late guy.

879

Xhafer: For

880

Laura: He always, he always

comes around to like the right

881

thing, just like a beat behind.

882

Just a beat behind,

883

Xhafer: Just a little slow on it.

884

Yeah.

885

Athena uh, runs to Hilo 'cause

Hera is sick and he's like,

886

oh, did you go check on her?

887

And it is, I like, oh shit.

888

Well she's sick.

889

They called me at from daycare.

890

They pulled me off flight duty

to handle the baby 'cause they

891

couldn't get ahold of you.

892

Laura: Uhhuh.

893

That never happens to moms.

894

Xhafer: Nope.

895

God.

896

Do you call mom who's on

a spaceship flying around?

897

Or do you call dad Who's

yelling at sick people?

898

Probably 50 feet away from you.

899

Laura: No.

900

They'll call mom.

901

They will every time.

902

Xhafer: Yeah.

903

Laura: And you know what mom says, I'll

call my husband 'cause I'm in Norman and

904

I can't get there, but he can get there.

905

Xhafer: Yeah.

906

so Dr.

907

Roberts is uh, there to treat her and he

was creeped out by this and wants to deny

908

treatment, but Sharon's all like, no.

909

What are you talking about?

910

She needs medicine.

911

What?

912

Just get the medicine.

913

It'll be fine.

914

Laura: Yeah,

915

Xhafer: Roberts insists

that heroin will be fine.

916

Laura: I wonder if helos not

necessarily wanting to deny

917

treatment, he would just rather have

918

Xhafer: Coddle.

919

Well, yeah.

920

I don't think he wants to deny treatment.

921

Like he's gonna deny

the medicine in general.

922

He just doesn't want it from Dr.

923

Robert.

924

Laura: Because everyone must know, right?

925

That is in this.

926

Structure on Galactica.

927

Like, okay, civilians

might not know that Sharon,

928

Xhafer: and I She's a knowns

929

Laura: she's a known silent.

930

Yeah.

931

And if she has a baby and she's

with Hilo, everybody knows that

932

this is a human silent baby

933

Xhafer: Yep.

934

Probably.

935

Laura: So I could see why

maybe he doesn't want Dr.

936

Mike to touch her.

937

'cause he's already a little bit

prejudiced about the side to tear on.

938

Xhafer: like two scenes ago we got

Ty telling us that they're boys

939

and that he was fighting, you know,

helping the resistance and stuff.

940

So it's just all like, okay, well he's

got Fifis about Cylons then everyone

941

on New Caprica has a different set of

feelings than the people who weren't so

942

Laura: Yeah.

943

So

944

Xhafer: plot points.

945

Laura: I mean, that's,

that's pretty, pretty good.

946

Xhafer: Yeah.

947

Laura: far as writing goes to me,

like, I was like, yeah, this is tough,

948

Xhafer: Yeah.

949

Laura: exciting stuff.

950

Xhafer: at this point, Dr.

951

Roberts gives a bracelet to Hilo

asking him to give it to the woman King

952

her like son's prayer

bracelet or something.

953

Laura: Yeah.

954

I think they were, I think they

called them Soma bracelets and Yeah.

955

They're supposed to protect

their health or something.

956

Yeah, the crystals.

957

They've got crystals.

958

Xhafer: Hilo brings to her and

they talk briefly and she said her

959

error was believing that nobody

could have that much hate in them.

960

Laura: Yeah.

961

She, she wanted to believe the doctor

couldn't be that bad of a person.

962

Xhafer: Yeah.

963

Athena and Hilo have a little

fight because he's deciding to

964

martyr himself over everything.

965

And Helo goes down to the

records room to dig into Dr.

966

Robert and sees a whole

lot of Sagittarians.

967

Died of COVID.

968

I mean, MEAC

969

Laura: On New Caprica even.

970

Yeah.

971

Xhafer: Yeah.

972

Even back on new Caprica.

973

This is when Coddle comes

in and defends his peer.

974

Helo throws numbers at him.

975

He's all like, only 10% of Capric

could die, but 90% of Sagittarians die.

976

That can't be right.

977

And he's all like, you know, it's,

he's, he's upset Helio's all like do

978

an autopsy on the, the teenage boy.

979

Like if you do an autopsy and I'm

wrong, I'll shut up for forever.

980

I promise.

981

Laura: Yeah.

982

Xhafer: And coddle iss like I did one.

983

Laura: Yeah, and it was fine.

984

Xhafer: Yeah, he was fine.

985

You fucking just calm your ass down, Hilo.

986

Laura: Yeah, I was thinking about them

numbers and I was like, yes, I would

987

believe that if you are a group that

refuses medicine, that you are going

988

to have a higher mortality rate in

the new Capric hospital than others.

989

But 90%

990

Xhafer: well that's the thing is

this is, this is not a morgue list.

991

This is a treatment list.

992

Right.

993

Laura: Mm-hmm.

994

Xhafer: So hypothetically this

means that this is only people

995

who came in for medicine.

996

At least that was my understanding of it.

997

It just, if you just died of

998

Laura: thought it was dead.

999

I thought it was the fatalities list.

00:44:49,782 --> 00:44:50,022

I thought

00:44:50,092 --> 00:44:50,382

Xhafer: Okay.

00:44:50,382 --> 00:44:53,127

If, if it was, if it was all

fatalities, then I would expect

00:44:53,127 --> 00:44:54,807

it to be significantly higher.

00:44:55,167 --> 00:44:57,747

Maybe not 90%, but significantly higher

00:44:58,422 --> 00:44:58,812

Laura: Yeah.

00:44:58,872 --> 00:45:00,402

But, but yeah, that's the thing.

00:45:00,402 --> 00:45:04,422

I would expect it to be higher

than everybody else, but 90% felt

00:45:04,527 --> 00:45:06,087

Xhafer: 90 to 10 seems like

00:45:06,252 --> 00:45:07,032

Laura: too high.

00:45:07,377 --> 00:45:07,857

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:09,435 --> 00:45:13,485

Laura: yeah, we, we cut to the

Sagittarians praying and, oh, no.

00:45:14,295 --> 00:45:15,375

Now Al is sick.

00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:16,740

Xhafer: Dee is sick.

00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,430

She's got that Mel Rock

now, and she asks Dr.

00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:22,350

Robert for some of that medicine.

00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,800

King goes to Warren Hilo, he runs

down and finds Dee in rough shape.

00:45:30,955 --> 00:45:34,945

He grabs her and goes to take her

to Coddle, and we cut and see Ty and

00:45:34,945 --> 00:45:37,255

Coddle and Marines marching down.

00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:38,240

Laura: Okay.

00:45:38,515 --> 00:45:40,765

You, you skipped something very important

00:45:41,065 --> 00:45:42,055

Xhafer: Oh, what, okay, go ahead.

00:45:42,055 --> 00:45:42,385

Sorry.

00:45:42,775 --> 00:45:45,265

Laura: Not, not only like does Mrs.

00:45:45,265 --> 00:45:48,295

King running get Hilo, but he's asleep.

00:45:48,325 --> 00:45:49,285

He's with Sharon.

00:45:49,525 --> 00:45:53,875

She's pounding on the door and

Sharon is trying to get him not to go

00:45:54,505 --> 00:45:54,775

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:55,045 --> 00:45:57,775

Laura: because she's like, it's fine.

00:45:58,195 --> 00:46:00,355

The rumor mill already hates you for.

00:46:01,285 --> 00:46:04,795

Like caring about these Sagittarians, Dr.

00:46:04,795 --> 00:46:05,635

Mike is fine.

00:46:05,635 --> 00:46:07,135

He's not doing anything wrong.

00:46:07,225 --> 00:46:08,725

He treated her and her is

00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:09,230

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:46:10,338 --> 00:46:18,378

Laura: and he accuses her of, you know,

because everyone's paying attention

00:46:18,378 --> 00:46:19,908

to the Sagittarians right now.

00:46:20,118 --> 00:46:22,698

You've forgotten what they treat you like.

00:46:23,328 --> 00:46:25,008

You've forgotten your asylum.

00:46:25,008 --> 00:46:27,708

And that they hate you too,

because their focus is on

00:46:27,708 --> 00:46:29,748

everyone, as on these other people.

00:46:31,396 --> 00:46:35,446

And I think that was a really,

I don't know, important scene

00:46:35,506 --> 00:46:36,941

because I think she kind of has.

00:46:38,166 --> 00:46:40,036

Xhafer: She has No, that's

a hundred percent fair.

00:46:40,342 --> 00:46:47,256

it's a lot easier to uh, deal with that

stuff when you're not being like, actively

00:46:47,256 --> 00:46:51,802

yelled at when everyone gets, you know,

everyone's being upset at other people.

00:46:51,802 --> 00:46:54,772

It's easier to just kinda like,

take that pass and that reprieve

00:46:55,206 --> 00:46:59,608

Laura: It reminds me of that poem you

see going around these days of like, at

00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:03,658

first they came for the communist and I

wasn't a communist, so I didn't worry.

00:47:03,658 --> 00:47:07,048

And, and then they came for the

homosexuals and I wasn't homosexual,

00:47:07,048 --> 00:47:08,188

so I didn't worry and whatever.

00:47:08,488 --> 00:47:10,593

I'm paraphrasing, I don't

remember the exact poem.

00:47:11,308 --> 00:47:13,378

But it kind of is that

00:47:14,008 --> 00:47:14,998

attitude, Sharon.

00:47:15,707 --> 00:47:16,037

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:16,765 --> 00:47:19,435

Gila runs down, sees d d's in rough shape.

00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,055

She wakes up a little, she does manage to

say, whatever he gave me, knocked me out.

00:47:24,865 --> 00:47:25,615

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:26,095 --> 00:47:28,285

Xhafer: Like he gave me

something that fucked me up.

00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:29,260

Laura: Uhhuh.

00:47:29,275 --> 00:47:29,755

Xhafer: Right.

00:47:30,314 --> 00:47:35,144

and we get these cuts with Ty and

Cato and Marines marching down and.

00:47:35,699 --> 00:47:38,909

We're led to believe, by the

way, this is cut, that these are

00:47:38,909 --> 00:47:41,339

like corresponding incidents.

00:47:41,339 --> 00:47:44,969

As Hilo grabs, Dee tries to take her out.

00:47:44,969 --> 00:47:47,039

Marines are stopping Hilo

00:47:47,379 --> 00:47:47,799

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:52,349

Xhafer: from doing anything, and they're

listening to Robert, which is insane.

00:47:53,969 --> 00:47:55,049

He's the literal cat.

00:47:55,109 --> 00:48:00,168

He's the, he's the, tied for third

highest ranked person on the ship.

00:48:01,018 --> 00:48:01,368

Laura: Uhhuh,

00:48:01,668 --> 00:48:08,688

Xhafer: He was their XO months ago, and

he's explicitly in charge of that area.

00:48:08,688 --> 00:48:12,603

He is the highest ranking

officer of uh, God.

00:48:12,603 --> 00:48:15,363

They have to have another

name for it besides Dogville.

00:48:15,813 --> 00:48:16,173

Ugh.

00:48:16,308 --> 00:48:16,728

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:17,418 --> 00:48:25,818

And the, the refugee bay or whatever,

and the, they've very much established.

00:48:25,818 --> 00:48:28,818

This is the civilian doctor?

00:48:28,983 --> 00:48:29,403

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:48:29,463 --> 00:48:32,793

And they're listening to him

over Hilo and it's just like,

00:48:32,823 --> 00:48:35,223

that's, that feels insane to me.

00:48:35,493 --> 00:48:37,653

But I think that's also kind of the point,

00:48:38,052 --> 00:48:38,342

Laura: yeah,

00:48:38,743 --> 00:48:41,331

Xhafer: that, you know, that's the

rumor mill working against him.

00:48:42,771 --> 00:48:50,086

And so tying Coddles show up with their

Marines to back helo up because Coddle

00:48:50,386 --> 00:48:57,346

actually went and checked the teenage

king and did that autopsy and found out

00:48:57,346 --> 00:49:02,296

that he was fucking poisoned, which then

led him to check other things and find

00:49:02,296 --> 00:49:04,396

out what was actually going on with Dr.

00:49:04,396 --> 00:49:04,846

Robert.

00:49:05,431 --> 00:49:05,881

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:05,971 --> 00:49:06,331

Yeah.

00:49:06,331 --> 00:49:10,651

He mentions, he was like, I did

all of the autopsy except I hadn't

00:49:10,651 --> 00:49:12,991

checked his bad blurred or something.

00:49:12,991 --> 00:49:15,511

Like, he's like, there's

one thing I hadn't done when

00:49:15,511 --> 00:49:17,191

I said that thing earlier.

00:49:17,851 --> 00:49:22,051

Xhafer: So, and I hadn't checked

this thing until a couple hours

00:49:22,051 --> 00:49:23,821

after and it was like, oh fuck

00:49:24,391 --> 00:49:26,041

Laura: yeah, he had bad blur.

00:49:26,851 --> 00:49:27,631

Xhafer: bad.

00:49:28,201 --> 00:49:30,631

Blurred the opposite of magic Blurred.

00:49:31,231 --> 00:49:31,651

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:32,266 --> 00:49:33,511

Very, very opposite.

00:49:34,327 --> 00:49:42,397

so yeah, everybody who's died, it sounds

like so far on the ship, was killed by Dr.

00:49:42,397 --> 00:49:45,427

Mike, and Saul screams at him.

00:49:45,727 --> 00:49:46,627

Xhafer: yeah

00:49:47,662 --> 00:49:50,392

Laura: he, he says something,

I think Saul said like.

00:49:50,806 --> 00:49:53,746

The only thing worse is that

I trusted you or something.

00:49:53,746 --> 00:49:56,776

Like he, he was pretty,

pretty fucking mad.

00:49:57,736 --> 00:49:58,726

Xhafer: He's pretty upset.

00:49:58,731 --> 00:49:58,821

Yeah.

00:49:59,746 --> 00:50:04,125

Laura: and Coddle says

that, that Dee is sedated.

00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:07,693

And then, you know, of course Dr.

00:50:07,693 --> 00:50:13,453

Roberts goes on his like villain last

gasp of like, I'm saving us time and

00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:19,393

resources 'cause these people are

just gonna drain on us and die anyway.

00:50:20,023 --> 00:50:24,283

And Coddle is pretty mad about

the whole do no harm thing.

00:50:24,643 --> 00:50:27,733

You know, like we were

supposed to do no harm man.

00:50:27,823 --> 00:50:28,753

And you

00:50:28,783 --> 00:50:29,113

Xhafer: yeah.

00:50:29,593 --> 00:50:30,613

You did a lot of harm.

00:50:30,733 --> 00:50:35,323

You, you have dishonored this council

and then they do the thing where they put

00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:38,653

their hands across their chest and they

turn around really dramatically and give

00:50:38,653 --> 00:50:40,693

them, turn around and give 'em the backs.

00:50:41,023 --> 00:50:44,143

Uh, It's so good when they, when

they do that thing from TNG.

00:50:44,533 --> 00:50:45,163

I love that.

00:50:48,678 --> 00:50:53,118

Laura: But on the way out, he's like

insisting that he didn't hurt Dee

00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:55,368

because she's one of the good ones.

00:50:56,238 --> 00:50:59,148

But I'm like, then why

the fuck is she sedated?

00:50:59,148 --> 00:51:01,308

Coddle just said she's sedated.

00:51:01,473 --> 00:51:01,863

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:03,228 --> 00:51:04,128

Laura: What the fuck?

00:51:05,958 --> 00:51:08,748

Xhafer: I, I don't want to know.

00:51:09,798 --> 00:51:12,198

I think it's, whatever

he was up to is not good.

00:51:13,458 --> 00:51:13,728

Laura: yeah,

00:51:14,388 --> 00:51:16,968

Xhafer: Just 'cause he hadn't poisoned

her yet, doesn't mean he wasn't gonna,

00:51:17,778 --> 00:51:18,168

Laura: yeah.

00:51:19,458 --> 00:51:25,038

Or maybe there's other things he also

was doing to sedated female patients.

00:51:25,098 --> 00:51:26,118

I don't know.

00:51:28,068 --> 00:51:30,378

Maybe that implication

is supposed to be there.

00:51:30,588 --> 00:51:31,098

I don't know.

00:51:32,148 --> 00:51:34,088

Xhafer: After all this, they arrest , Dr.

00:51:34,088 --> 00:51:39,075

Robert, and then uh, Adam calls

Hilo to his office to apologize.

00:51:39,885 --> 00:51:43,275

He's like, you don't have to, and he

is all like, yeah, but I'm going to.

00:51:44,325 --> 00:51:45,045

Then he doesn't.

00:51:45,105 --> 00:51:46,965

But I guess that is the apology.

00:51:47,505 --> 00:51:47,865

I don't

00:51:47,985 --> 00:51:50,685

Laura: a very dad thing

to do though, right?

00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:52,545

Xhafer: Yeah, you have,

you have my apology.

00:51:52,785 --> 00:51:57,585

I'm not going to say the word, I'm sorry,

or actually apologize to you formally.

00:51:57,855 --> 00:52:00,825

I just wanted to let you know

that you have my apology.

00:52:01,268 --> 00:52:02,468

Laura: Yep, yep, yep.

00:52:02,725 --> 00:52:06,925

Uh, He does say that, you know,

he's been guilty of hate and

00:52:06,925 --> 00:52:08,875

allowing hate on the ship.

00:52:10,165 --> 00:52:12,595

Xhafer: And Hilo was the

only Jimbo who couldn't hate.

00:52:14,397 --> 00:52:15,027

Laura: yeah.

00:52:16,077 --> 00:52:18,657

And so Helo gives him a salute.

00:52:19,394 --> 00:52:22,754

And goes home to his wife and her.

00:52:22,949 --> 00:52:23,219

Xhafer: Yep.

00:52:23,729 --> 00:52:25,199

And that's, that's the episode.

00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:26,594

Laura: That's it.

00:52:27,419 --> 00:52:32,759

Xhafer: So I gotta ask, on a scale of one

to 12 colonies, how do you rate this one?

00:52:34,169 --> 00:52:34,389

Laura: Uh.

00:52:35,696 --> 00:52:38,156

Xhafer: I did not rate

it ahead of recording.

00:52:38,156 --> 00:52:39,806

I almost always write down a rating.

00:52:40,706 --> 00:52:42,146

did not this time.

00:52:43,241 --> 00:52:44,051

Laura: No.

00:52:44,081 --> 00:52:45,911

You know, I never actually

write down a rating.

00:52:45,911 --> 00:52:47,141

I guess I should have done that.

00:52:47,351 --> 00:52:47,921

Oh, well.

00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:52,379

I was like, can this be my fuck

this episode because it made

00:52:52,379 --> 00:52:54,299

me feel things and think about

00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:55,304

Xhafer: want to save it.

00:52:56,144 --> 00:52:58,454

I'll tell you that Laura,

you're gonna want to save your

00:52:58,619 --> 00:52:59,699

Laura: I'm gonna wanna save it.

00:52:59,924 --> 00:53:01,454

Xhafer: You're gonna want to save it,

00:53:02,304 --> 00:53:07,824

knowing how you feel about a handful of

things, believe me, you're gonna want to

00:53:07,824 --> 00:53:10,044

save it, but you can use it if you want.

00:53:10,869 --> 00:53:13,989

Laura: It just, you know, a

pandemic episode does make you

00:53:13,989 --> 00:53:15,759

feel like, fuck this feeling.

00:53:16,104 --> 00:53:17,004

Xhafer: Oh, for sure.

00:53:17,179 --> 00:53:17,469

Yeah.

00:53:17,469 --> 00:53:19,419

Laura: And it's not, it's

not a pandemic, right?

00:53:19,419 --> 00:53:25,986

It's, it's a little epidemic on the

section of this ship with a small group,

00:53:26,616 --> 00:53:30,546

and it's totally manageable the whole

time because we know what treats this.

00:53:30,726 --> 00:53:31,056

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:53:31,883 --> 00:53:36,413

Laura: don't like thinking about

the refusal of medicine folks, but

00:53:36,563 --> 00:53:37,878

also they shouldn't be murdered.

00:53:40,103 --> 00:53:41,003

Xhafer: Here's my thing.

00:53:41,303 --> 00:53:43,763

They talk about like their

limited supply, right?

00:53:44,418 --> 00:53:44,838

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:53:45,533 --> 00:53:48,803

Xhafer: has been around in the

fleet since they got together.

00:53:48,863 --> 00:53:49,458

It must have been.

00:53:49,931 --> 00:53:50,221

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:51,891 --> 00:53:53,691

Xhafer: Why don't you

just immunize everyone,

00:53:54,851 --> 00:53:55,141

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:56,091 --> 00:54:01,671

Xhafer: just, Hey, we're going to shut

down moving between ships for five

00:54:01,671 --> 00:54:05,271

days or however long it takes for this

thing to die out in an air filter.

00:54:05,931 --> 00:54:06,411

Right?

00:54:06,836 --> 00:54:07,256

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:54:07,881 --> 00:54:10,996

Xhafer: And no one moves

ships for five days and.

00:54:12,246 --> 00:54:15,966

gonna go and send a group of

raptors with immunizations to any

00:54:15,966 --> 00:54:17,676

ship that has any of this disease.

00:54:17,916 --> 00:54:22,326

And then five days after that, once we

know that no one has it anymore, the

00:54:22,326 --> 00:54:24,306

disease is successfully eradicated.

00:54:24,966 --> 00:54:25,686

You did it.

00:54:26,106 --> 00:54:30,876

It's, it's not that hard to do

with a small population size

00:54:31,676 --> 00:54:32,106

Laura: Yeah,

00:54:32,286 --> 00:54:34,686

Xhafer: and, and no way

of getting it back in.

00:54:35,136 --> 00:54:35,556

Right.

00:54:35,976 --> 00:54:38,916

It's not, if it's like living in

air filters and they can't get

00:54:38,916 --> 00:54:40,566

rid of it, that's one thing which.

00:54:41,091 --> 00:54:43,191

Could easily explain

why they didn't do this.

00:54:44,046 --> 00:54:45,366

Laura: Well, they said it's not airborne.

00:54:45,366 --> 00:54:45,456

Mm-hmm.

00:54:45,861 --> 00:54:50,211

Xhafer: yeah, so it has to be spreading

between people and or livestock.

00:54:51,351 --> 00:54:53,481

don't see any livestock in this fleet.

00:54:53,841 --> 00:54:55,821

They're eating algae, right?

00:54:56,241 --> 00:54:59,254

Like this has to be containable.

00:54:59,821 --> 00:55:00,111

Laura: Yeah.

00:55:00,196 --> 00:55:01,576

Xhafer: This has, there has to be enough.

00:55:01,576 --> 00:55:05,476

Either you had enough and you didn't

do it the first time, or you limit

00:55:05,476 --> 00:55:09,466

the travel and you get it down to a

size where it is manageable for your

00:55:09,466 --> 00:55:11,206

immunizations and you handle it then

00:55:11,861 --> 00:55:12,281

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:55:12,556 --> 00:55:15,256

Xhafer: and you just fucking do

it the once and be done with it.

00:55:15,628 --> 00:55:15,918

Laura: Yeah.

00:55:16,748 --> 00:55:17,348

Xhafer: I don't know.

00:55:17,523 --> 00:55:20,037

Laura: And they Haven't given

us a breakdown of, like,

00:55:20,509 --> 00:55:23,154

Xhafer: There's a bunch of reasons

why that couldn't work, but

00:55:24,034 --> 00:55:26,404

Laura: well, they haven't given us a

breakdown of like, we have this many

00:55:26,404 --> 00:55:29,464

pecans, we have this many Geminis,

we have this many capric cans.

00:55:29,464 --> 00:55:36,814

Like we don't know how many people in the

fleet are the type to refuse medicine.