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So they used AI in this film.

To write this script.

There's the teaser.

We've given away too much cleavage already.

Yeah, it's heights and cleavage and tension.

Tension.

Yeah.

That should have been the film poster.

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Welcome back once again, here we are.

This was my choice.

But before we get into the episode, let's tell everyone about our next Cinema Social, which we have had a change of our scheduled programming.

Oh, we've changed the movie.

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In the meantime, let's move on.

Let's begin with a nutshell.

How do we break this movie down?

I've got some brief notes here.

What you got, Darren?

Two girls climb a pole.

Yeah, in a nutshell, that's exactly what that is.

I can't beat that.

Next section.

Anything else is a spoiler.

Yeah.

So two girls who own a friendship group that love climbing.

They like climbing mountains.

They like climbing cliffs.

They like climbing.

I was gonna say me, but I do not.

They could climb.

Eat like a tree.

Yeah.

One of them sort of hits rock bottom in their life and drops off.

He has all their confidence taken away.

Yeah.

And then they're like, I can't possibly do this anymore.

And then a friend is like, yeah, but you should.

And she's like, okay.

And you could.

She's a bit estranged from a dad because of her hitting rock bottom.

Because her dad is very wise and noble and has all the wisdom of a thousand ancestors and should be listened to.

He is the father of the Winchester brothers in Supernatural.

She should listen to him.

It's also Negan So you really should listen to him.

Is that Walking Dead talk?

Okay, I've seen a few.

Yeah.

And then they decide to climb.

Be able to say the B52.

It's not the B52 tower.

B52 in the love shack.

No, it's a big, abandoned 2,000 foot communications tower.

That's what it is.

It's Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

That's the man.

Yeah, that's the man.

There we go.

But I've written down.

So what starts out as an adventure turns into a fight for survival.

Yeah, it's kind of like that movie 127 Hours.

James Franco.

Yeah, I wrote down a few in this kind of vein.

There's one called Open Water where the.

Oh, yeah, I think the sharks circling them.

I had 47 meters down meets Free Solo.

Okay.

I don't know what either of them is, but I looked it up and the ones are the same.

And there's those ones that came up top.

So kind of.

Is it Vertical Limit?

Is that a film if I just made it up?

No, that's Chris o'.

Donnell.

Is that the guy who cut the rope?

Some.

Oh, there's Touching the Void and there's Vertical Limit.

Touching the Void.

Vertical Limit's got maybe Bill Paxton in there.

Yeah, yeah.

No, this is a documentary.

Okay.

Yeah.

Touching the Void, that is another thing.

I think I went to a talk by that guy.

Oh, wow.

It was awful.

Was it?

Well, depressing.

The story is good, but you have to be a storyteller to tell a good story.

Can't say this on the podcast.

I feel like we may offend him if he's one of our listeners.

Do better practice.

Look in the mirror.

So I was going to say, for all the men listening to this, this is bold, tinglingly tense.

Yeah, it is.

Like I used to watch those videos of people base jumping off skyscrapers that were right next to each other with no nothing on.

No.

No harness, no nothing.

I'm like, oh, please don't do that.

Kind of reminded me of that.

But yet they do it.

I. I've got some more films.

Yeah, go for it.

Go for it.

There's one called the Shallows with Blake Lively.

Yeah.

This one called the Reef, which feels like the Shallows.

Yeah.

There's one called Cliffhanger.

You may have heard of this with Stallone.

If there isn't one called Boy.

Castaway.

I suppose, in a way.

Similar Gravity with Sandra Bullock and George Clooney.

Kind of Stranded in Space.

I also put with a question about the Final Destination movies.

It's a while since I've watched them, but I remember them being quite tense as to, oh, something's gonna happen.

Yeah, that's exactly what those movies do.

And you can tell when you're driving if people have seen those movies.

Yeah, because there's a truck with like logs or poles in the back.

There'd be like a 20 foot gap, but with the car behind him.

It does remind me of that film.

Whenever I see that and I look.

Over and I'm like, you've seen Final Destination.

And I've also got one more, which is Ace Ventura 2.

No, the pet Detective.

But that's for reasons I can't tell you about.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

What else have we got?

It's.

What's the.

What's the genre and the tone?

What do you think?

I think you nailed it.

Thriller.

Yeah, like thriller survival.

It's quite.

It's quite a relentless movie.

It's.

It doesn't really.

Once it.

Once it gets going, it doesn't really stop until the end.

There's no, like, peaks and troughs.

What do you think?

Ah, we're okay all over again.

It's like a constant ride.

Yeah.

It's very intense all the way through.

And also, if you don't like heights, this might be the movie for you.

It's physically uncomfortable.

I would say it's designed to make your palms sweat.

Yeah.

It's not an easy watch.

Yeah, well.

Or is it an easy watch?

What kind of a watch is this?

Well, I think it's aimed at younger people than us.

Yes.

And I think in terms of that target audience, there is some cleavage for them.

Tits for clicks.

Yeah, that's what she says.

She says it in the movie.

I may have noticed some cleavage.

I just wasn't sure whether I was allowed to bring it up or I'd get cancelled.

I think it's deliberately there in the first place.

They do talk about it.

Yeah.

Spoiler.

And the camera's bringing attention to it.

Yeah, it really did.

I did enjoy that.

Move on.

Anything else on the nutshell?

I don't want to give.

We don't need to give too much away.

Well, we've given away too much cleavage already.

Yeah.

It's heights and cleavage and tension.

Tension, yeah.

That should have been the film poster.

Heights, cleavage and tension.

Yeah.

There we go.

I think that's it.

We'll move on to the unboxing.

Spoiler warning ahead.

If you haven't seen Fall and you've decided you do want to go watch it, probably a good time to do so now because in this section and from this, this point forward, there will be some spoilers.

Let's go.

What did you miss, Darren?

Have you got anything?

I have thoughts.

I'm not sure it's what I've missed though, because it's.

It's when I was watching this, I felt like it was a first time filmmaker, like a second time filmmaker.

It felt like if it had come out with the same kind of vibe as Obsession or Backroom.

What's this?

What's the director known for?

He hasn't done that much you would recognize.

He did a movie called Heist, which has got De Niro and Negan, which.

Why he must know him.

Yeah, because can you do my little film about standing on a pole?

Yeah.

He's like, can you give me like Jeffrey, an afternoon of your time and just like rock up in the desert and look around, look intense and talk into the phone a lot?

Yeah, you see, I can do that.

That's fine.

We need your father, fatherly wisdom in this, Jeffrey.

Yeah.

I like myth and I like stories that inform us and give our lives meaning.

So you could look at this as a metaphor or even just a flat out myth.

I suppose.

So.

Do you know the story of Odin and the World Tree?

That rings a bell.

But I don't know what the story is.

I didn't check what the World Tree tree is called.

It begins with something like wise, like Yitzchal or something like that.

That sounds good.

Even if it's not right, it's wrong.

But the way I'm picturing it spelled in my head is correct.

So just, we'll go with that.

I can't say anything about pronouncing things wrong, can I?

Really?

Well.

Well, Odin voluntarily, I think, hangs himself from the well tree.

And then he's taught.

I think he hangs there for nine days, I think.

And basically it's like the belly of the whale and Hero's Journey.

It's.

You go through hardship to gain wisdom.

And so at the end of it he gets wisdom.

I'm not sure.

Maybe that's where he gets.

Because usually he's got two ravens on his shoulder.

He's got Hugin and Mugen.

I think they're called memory.

I'm just picturing Anthony Hopkins.

So I don't know.

Damn you, Marvel and your.

So I'm kind of curious because this is what this film becomes.

It becomes like two girls on.

On the.

You know, it's not a real tree, it's metaphorical tree, but they're on this tree to suffer.

And they have, you know, dehydration and lack of food and despair, and out of it you grow.

And that's, you know, that's, you know, you could argue is a similar story to Jesus being crucified for.

It was three days.

I don't know what the myth is with that one.

How long was he on the cross for?

Not sure.

Well, M.E.

Who was dead for three days, wasn't he?

I'm a bit rusty on these.

I don't want to say in case, you know, we get to Sunday school.

I did, by the way.

I mean, that he was resurrected.

Yeah, yeah.

So there's a common theme in myth for humans is that you suffer to get wisdom or you die in a reborn and that kind of stuff.

So I kind of like the fact that that's within it.

And we can also look at that in our own lives.

That, and I've said it before on many a podcast, I wish it wasn't this way, but we grow through pain and we got to go through suffering, gain experience.

Yeah, yeah.

And also makes the good times that much better.

The problem is we're not always as grateful as we should be for the good times because you don't realize it's a times because we're too busy trying to make the good times better.

Yeah, Rather.

I know.

I mean, rather than just appreciating them and living in the moment.

Yeah.

You're wanting more, I would think.

Have you guys seen the Jerk with Steve Martin?

Oh, a long time ago.

Classic.

There's a bit where they're showing him he's apartment that he's moved to the city.

And they open the door and it's a cupboard.

And he's like, this is my whole apartment.

This whole cupboard.

This is huge.

I could stand up in here and they're like, no, it's the whole apartment.

And he's like, he would have been grateful for a cupboard.

And now he's just like, I got a whole freaking apartment as lush.

And I think, you know, I know I can be guilty of that.

So that was kind of interesting for me.

And so you got, on one hand you got this myth of Odin and the world tree and similar myths in almost all religions will appear.

And then you've got this really modern idea of, like you were saying, it clicks for likes.

And this young person's just search for meaning.

And they're desperate to, like, attention and.

Stuff like that and just be noticed and.

Yeah, yeah.

To be like, I've talked before about Mad Max Fury Road.

That idea of like witness me.

You know when they spray like, it's.

Like a weird aerosol thing, isn't it?

Yeah.

And then they yell witness and they're basically gonna die.

And they think if they, they're witness doing something heroic, they can go to Valhalla and distorted again.

It's the same myth.

We're in.

I didn't mean to do that.

Lush.

He knew what he was doing.

He's all over this.

So then you got these two girls who are like trying to get meaning and you know, it's a little bit.

I thought these were teenagers.

Did you think these were teenagers?

I thought they were like 19 or something.

No, I thought they were well, well into their 20s, mid to late 20s.

I thought, well, they should be more wise than this.

But you know, they had this whole thing.

Isn't it like they say something like, you know, if you're scared of dying, don't be afraid to live.

Like what?

What?

Batman esque.

To defeat darkness, you must become the darkness.

Nonsense.

Is this all the.

All the while I'm showering at the TV screen, you idiots.

Because they've decided to climb a 2,000 foot pole that's clearly very ro and they think that's great.

You wouldn't do that.

No.

And I'm recommending listeners, if you do want clicks and you do want likes, don't climb a 2,000 foot pole.

Or just go to therapy and find out why you need those likes, why you need that validation from strangers in your life to make your life feel fulfilled.

Go read a book.

Go read some Alan Watts.

Alan Watts.

Yes, Go.

And it's interesting, the difference between.

The difference between them doing it and then if they weren't filming it or documenting it, rather just doing because they want to, versus the only reason they're doing it is so they can film it and send it so people can see it.

Yeah, that's that.

That's the flip.

There is the thing though, isn't there, where she's pitching it as.

No, this is her release from all of her stress and whatever.

And you need to do this to conquer your fear of the fear or something.

But this is like going back to Fast and Furious when he's like, for those 10 seconds, yeah, nothing else matters.

It's like.

But this also reminds me of Walter Mitty, you know when he gets that final shot and he's like, no, just look at it.

Don't, don't take the photo.

Just move from the camera.

Just look at it.

Watch the moment.

I Said something really, really wise in the episode and I can't remember what it was.

It was wise.

I can't remember what it was either.

It was a genius line about the commodification of beauty or something.

Yes, but you'll have to listen to it, listeners, if you haven't already listened to figure out what the genius it was.

But at least they're safe with the photograph.

This is going up a frickin.

Yeah, I know.

2000 Foot pole in the light.

Oh, my God, this is so great.

And then.

Well, it's like people who do massive rock climbs with no.

No ropes or anything like that.

Similar sort of thing.

But the bit that made me laugh was as someone who's slightly cautious to danger.

Slightly?

Well, you know, I'm not gonna run into risk averse for laughs.

Risk averse, that's the word.

But as soon as it goes wrong, and as soon as, you know, they're all fantastic and hanging off with one hand and, oh, look at us.

As soon as it goes wrong, who's gonna rescue us?

Where's the rescue?

Well, they hadn't thought about any of that before they.

No.

No plan.

Which infuriated me, like, oh, oh.

So now it's all gone wrong.

Do another signal up there.

What are we gonna take in case we get stuck?

What if all these ladders that are clearly ricketing.

Yeah, I mean, break off.

Yeah.

I did think, like, wear gloves, you're gonna get sepsis.

Don't go up in there in shorts.

I don't know the meaning of this, but the character Shiloh, Shiloh Hunter, they kept calling a hunter Hunter, played by Virginia Gardner.

She had a tattoo of a spider, which you would usually say means that she's a predator or like a femme fatale or dangerous in some way.

But then she also had a tattoo of a tiger.

So I just think it was like, maybe the actress already has them.

Otherwise they're put there.

Because if she doesn't have them, then the filmmakers have added them on purpose.

That's why.

Exactly.

So what's the mean in there?

Like, is she more one with nature or is it just that she's dangerous?

Well, she also had the tattoo that was the.

The catchphrase of the husband of the girl that she's climbing, which has to.

Be one of the most sadistic and stupid things you could do.

I'm gonna fuck your husband and I'm gonna put a tattoo of it on my ankle.

Awkward.

Yeah.

But one day I'm gonna take my shoe off and show you yeah, exactly.

It's like you're gonna.

She's gonna see, oh, my God.

I can only take this shoe off.

That's the thing that surprised me as well.

And she's like, my husband.

I was like, husband, you're 17.

How are you married?

Your dad's right.

You should listen to your dad.

Well, he looked pretty concerned in the photograph when she was scanning through the phone.

Yeah.

He's like.

The other thing you might have missed.

How good was the battery life on her phone for a modern phone?

Multiple days.

Multiple days.

Can that even happen?

I know.

The other thing you might have missed is that under no circumstances should you plug electric appliances into.

It's a light bulb fitting.

Electrical appliances.

Charge them into electrical appliances.

Yeah.

That is what we would be.

That's a health and safety violation that you should not be experimenting with.

Do not watch this and think that that is how you can.

I'm try that.

They will be.

So, yeah, I saw it on this.

Movie, but you have to be at least 2,000ft in the air, attacked by vultures to make it work.

No, but then she did it in the restaurant.

Oh, yeah.

With a lamp.

That's true.

You don't want to be going around restaurants taking out bowls and sticking your phone charger into it.

Whole power goes down, the whole restaurant.

This is.

This should be disc.

In fact, do you reckon they're gonna have disclaimers on streaming with this?

Probably.

Like, if people start doing this.

This should be.

That was the sound of.

One of the disclaimers is people doing dumb shit.

That sounded like a Star Wars.

Yeah, that's how I imagine it.

A ship landing on the Death Star.

This is Obi Wan Kenobi's going around, just shutting stuff down.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

The other bit that pissed me off was the bit of peer pressure where it was like, oh, the old Becky would have done it.

So, okay.

This is also an example of not all.

Everyone's always desperate for friends.

I think friends are such a great thing to have.

But you can have frenemies, right?

You can have friends who really aren't your friends, and they're not actually pleased for you when you succeed.

And this woman is not Becky's friend at all.

Clearly she's not.

She's sleeping with her husband.

She was very sorry about that.

I would have thrown away.

I did write a note.

Throw her off.

Yeah.

At that moment.

That would have been the moment.

The rage I would have had.

There's no way, like, I wouldn't have done it intentionally, but there would have been a scuffle.

But her thought maybe was I could throw her off, but I could also eat her when she dies.

Yeah, she would be good eating.

Survive a bit longer.

Yeah, I know.

Can you be also.

I mean.

Yes.

Well, the other thing you might have missed.

Whoa.

Okay, Move on.

Is that there's no way these girls would have had the physical strength to do some of this stuff that they do.

Particularly Becky, who has been an alcoholic drinking whiskey, which is my go to drink.

And that just watch you from the inside.

Yeah.

The bit where she was doing the bulb thing, very top.

How long was she holding on there?

And, like, with one arm, just like.

Did she.

I'm like, no, she pulls Hunter up.

Yeah.

With one hand.

I think you can do that when you're drunk.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's it.

It's whiskey strength.

I do.

Yeah.

But was that when it was in her imagination or was that before it was in an imagination?

I think there's.

Oh, yeah, maybe because I wrote that note like, oh, my God, how did she manage to do that?

And then, of course, there's the flashback.

And she says, I did actually like how it revealed.

I thought it was quite clever how it revealed that we've been misled there, but it was because we'd been watching it through her conscious.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the misleading thing is we think Hunter falls off and we think she's died, and then she actually survives and climbs back up.

And then we realized that later on that she was dead the whole time.

But I saw it coming because it's.

It's another movie that I like, which I realized I was gonna spoil.

I think that's been done before.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, most things have.

Well, the opening.

Because we are in spoiler territory, aren't we?

The opening was cliffhanger.

Yes.

Yeah.

I was like, a huge influence on this.

Every climbing movie, do they have to have someone fall off and then have.

The whole Twisters was a bit like that.

The sequel to Twisters.

It was like, oh, no.

Oh, sorry, that's spoiled.

Another film.

Never mind, I'll cut that bit.

It's in spoilers on.

So, yeah, not only can we spoil this, but we spoiled the films.

My.

My friend Adventura too is why I said that.

Because there's the whole bit where is it a raccoon or something he's trying to rescue and he drops it at the start, and that's why it has to go to the monastery.

It just reminded me of that.

And it shouldn't have done because it was quite a serious moment.

But I was like, oh, it says Ventura too.

It's weird, isn't it?

Because Cliffhanger hang I haven't seen for ages.

But I remember being like heartbroken at the beginning, I think partly because that woman's acting is so fine and she's a police.

Don't stop me.

Please don't.

There's like a panic to it.

And then the guy on the side is that corner.

He said, don't you drop her.

Don't.

You're like, oh, my God, is he gonna.

We're just into the movie and I cared.

Whereas in this one, you know, this guy dies.

I don't care at all.

Yeah, it wasn't.

It wasn't as impactful, was it?

I was like, you're being a dick on the side of a mountain and I don't even know your name.

And then he was gone.

Yes, die.

Good.

Let's move on.

No, I was going to say something about, oh, yeah, my friend is a climbing instructor.

So I'm.

I voice messaged him and I was like, hey, have you seen this movie called Fool?

It's about two dumb tards climbing a TV pole.

There's the new nutshell.

Yeah.

And he hadn't seen it.

And then my boss at work, I said, have you seen Four?

He's like.

He's like, no, I don't think so.

I was like, it's about two dumb tards climbing it.

You see, I've seen it.

And then I asked him about Cliffhanger because he was, if it's about climbing, it'll all be wrong.

I said, what is a good example.

Example of a climbing movie Is Cliffhanger a good example?

And it's like, that's the worst depiction of climbing that I've ever seen.

So do you have it?

Did he have a good example?

No, there was.

I think it's had been because he was saying that on Cliffhanger they're like what they call, like gorilla hook things.

I don't know.

Clamp.

I know what they are.

Carabiners.

Yeah.

And it starts to kind of break open.

And it's like, never in the history.

Of climbing, that's the design.

Not to do that.

That's exactly what they're not.

The very thing they're designed not to do.

It just did.

So climbers are watching it like, oh, my God.

But if you're not a climber, you don't know.

It's only that it's.

You don't care.

I want to know.

Yeah.

Question of the week needs to be what movie features your specialism that drove you freaking crazy.

I'm making out that that's good.

Anything else?

And what did you miss if you.

Were shouting at the top of a pole from 2,000ft.

Do we honestly.

No one's going to hear.

No, that's fine.

I wrote that like really?

Cuz someone think you're dying and you're.

Yeah.

And you're frantic and you're.

Yeah.

You're going to delusional.

You're just going to do whatever.

Yeah, that's true.

Whatever comes natural.

I mean those dodgy guys that stole the car was a bit pissed off there.

I kept thinking that they would come back, that they're just driven to get the cops and like a helicopter.

Cuz what they're going to do, they walk over and be like oh I see you.

They've already seen them.

What more were they going to do?

Yeah, true.

So they had to go away but.

Then look at it on their phone.

Can have police now at this tower right here.

Now we don't know if they had a phone though maybe.

Yeah.

Some way of communicating.

Anyway.

Oh, we missed the fact that the bra ended up being an important plot point.

The push up bra because they had to pad the thing when they threw it.

Yeah, exactly.

So the cleavage.

We weren't being creepy earlier like the whole movie.

It's like we're putting her in a push up bra to get likes.

Get attention.

We're framing them so they're like a third of the frame.

Okay.

Yeah.

They become survival tools.

No, I get all fatherly.

I'm like will you put a jumper on?

Yeah.

You're going to get, you're at the.

Top of a pole, you're going to get sunburned.

You're climbing.

Where's your sunscreen?

Metal.

Yes.

It's like do your mother and father know where you are?

Just share your location by Snapchat or something.

Let them know.

I think I noticed the film kind of tries to use it the height against you.

So there's several moments where the camera deliberately changes perspective.

So it makes it seem like, it makes it the height seem even more extreme than it is because the camera was always like zoomed out or higher up.

But then when it goes back down the background's always blurred so you don't see it.

But when they zoom out you're like oh it does.

It kept doing the contrast to being zoomed in.

So you just focus on them when it.

When it.

Focus on the background.

Oh, shit, they're high.

It almost makes you forget how high they are.

And they remind you again.

Yeah, the director had some interesting ways of doing that and kind of throwing you.

It's.

It's very much an experience film, isn't it?

Yeah, it's.

It's designed for the tension.

It's less and more the tension.

My notes is Hunter, who holds her body weight with one hand.

She thinks she's Captain America, basically.

One hand.

When they first get.

I think there's a point where she.

She holds Becky with one hand and then she's hooked around the main pole with a hand like this.

That's right when she's making her do the shot.

And then she gets pulling it up.

Yeah, yeah.

And I'm just like, nah, no, you're not Steve Rogers.

Oh, also, you can't eat raw vulture.

It's bad.

They eat carrion.

You're gonna die.

The sequel to this is going to be her in hospital with just spraying out of her mouth and ass.

Oh, no.

So is that what Fall two is probably gonna be, like an Exorcist kind of.

Yeah, it's gonna be Diarrhea Valley.

Oh, well, that's unfortunate because she eats the vulture just pretty much before she gets rescued.

So you're saying in reality she's dead?

Yeah.

They get her off the thing, the rescuer off the tower, and it's like, dead.

The vultures in hospital, the food poisoning.

Yeah.

Did any of this movie actually make you feel not scared of heights, but, like, feel like they really were that high the way it was shot?

Did you forget that?

Obviously, you know that this isn't really that high.

Was it shot well enough to do that?

Yeah, I think, because apparently they built a tower like next to a cliff to give it not forced perspective, but kind of.

Yeah, I'll get into some of that in a minute.

Yeah, I mean, I think.

I think it was fine.

I don't know why I kept thinking it would be easy to climb down.

Not.

What.

Without a ladder.

Yeah, I think you go on.

Well, I'm listening.

I've got some notepad here.

Carry on.

Well, you would take like a piece of clothing, put it around the pole, then put your feet down, and you just kind of shuffle down as you go for 2,000ft.

Yeah, interesting.

Well, that's.

It's.

No, dude, it's 1 foot 2,000 times.

I think if you.

As soon as you put the Thing around.

Start climbing up.

You should slide down.

Yeah, maybe.

But then you're sliding and die.

Well, the alternative, you're gonna die up there.

You gotta try.

I would even just like let go and try and tuck and roll when I fell.

Like, you might have broken legs.

No, there's people who have survived, like falling out of a helicopter.

Yeah.

From 2,000ft without a passion.

Your legs are gonna break and you're going to shatter.

Maybe.

Yeah.

But if on parachutes, even with your parachute fails, you've still got the backup parachute, which.

Which does slow you down considerably.

Oh, no, no.

People have actually just fell out.

Tuck and roll into a pancake.

Totally.

If anyone is expert on any of this and can fill us and tell if we're being idiotic, which I know.

We are, but I think we should.

Use, please let us know.

Tuck and roll.

When we're faced with any emergency.

Some guy comes at this with a.

Knife, we've got zombies.

No worries.

I'm going to tuck and roll it.

Put them off the kilt, wouldn't they?

Like they wouldn't know where they were going.

There's a comedian called Drew Michaels who does a whole bit on cheating and it's this whole thing of like, oh, it's just one mistake.

He's like, it's not one mistake.

Like it's a million mistakes.

You know, you didn't kiss him once, you kissed him, you know, 100 times.

Every single step is a betrayal.

You know, it's crazy.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

The fact you slept with someone.

Husband.

Your best friend's husband.

Vomit.

I'm glad she died.

I think.

I also don't notice a lot of this movie was about communication.

So once once they're stranded, getting someone to hear them becomes the most important thing.

It's not funny that they're influences.

And when they wanted no mention, no one gets it.

Yeah.

Like the phones.

What did you have?

A drone?

Yeah, like signals.

The flare thing that they had.

Messages, repeat messages become potential lifelines.

Also, it makes no sense that he didn't get signal up there.

They'd have more of a signal.

You think on a tower designed for communication?

Yeah.

The other bit that's just occurred to me is so they sent out the post saying, we're going to climb this tower.

Woo, here's my friend.

Off we go.

And then did it not occur to the followers of said person that after three days or however long they were up there, there was still no update on them climbing up this big tower?

No, they didn't they didn't get it sent.

Remember?

She didn't send that first one.

That initial one.

Weather in the van.

Yeah, I think.

No, she.

No, she pre records them and doesn't post them later.

She doesn't do them live.

Well, that's her own fault.

Yeah, she should have.

She should have.

Yeah.

If.

If we ever do a podcast where we say, oh, our next social, we're going to climb a 2,000 foot pole and you don't hear the next episode for a while, someone better send for some backup.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm looking at you, the Robs, if you're listening.

All the Robs.

I want an army of Rob saving us from the top of wherever we're stranded.

Yeah, definitely.

That's.

If we ever stop doing a podcast, we should end it on an episode of like, I don't know, Beetlejuice or Candyman.

Then at the end of this show, just say it three times and then.

Just go like, that's just too far.

And then we'll all go missing for a while.

And the followers wouldn't care.

They'll just find another podcast.

Yeah, all three of them.

Okay.

They wouldn't.

They'd move on so quick.

It'll be like the end of the Truman Show.

How will it all end?

What's on the other channel?

Yeah, that was a good episode.

Don't forget to look that one up if you haven't listened to that one.

Okay, let's move on.

Thank you, gentlemen.

That takes us on to Paul's fantastic Facts of the Day.

Okay, Facts of the Day.

So because did this on Blu Ray.

How did you get that Blu Ray?

Paul, a certain beloved presenter of this show, said, here's the Blu Ray, because.

He doesn't have BBC.

So he couldn't get it.

He couldn't watch it.

I have thousands of DVDs and Blu.

Rays, so it was an honor to add to your collection myself personally.

Well, I brought it back because it's yours.

It's a gift, so it's yours.

Anyway, I can watch on BBC anytime.

You can't.

I haven't done terrestrial TV for a long time because I feel like I'm at the point I have that many DVDs, I'm still gonna die before I've seen them all.

Yes, that's where I'm at.

But so I watched the behind the scenes thing, which was about a 20 minute behind it, I think as well.

Yeah, yeah.

So it was quite interesting.

I'll just do these off the top of my head.

They filmed it exactly as you said before, Darren.

So it's like 100ft, I think.

So they did build a practical set but it was over.

What was it like a drop?

It was toward.

Near the edge of a.

Not cliff, but the edge of kind of a small cliff but quarry.

Not on the edge of water but just somewhere high.

So make it like when you looked past that, if you filmed past that edge, it would look even further.

Yeah, like even higher.

But they were only up 100ft.

Yeah.

So they were still up there.

And they went through lots of training, strength stuff.

So they'll be really gutted to know, Darren, that even though they went through all the actor training stuff, they did a lot of training to make them strength trained and everything that you're like, nah, they can do that.

Doesn't convince.

Doesn't.

Doesn't convince Darren.

No.

Well, they could climb the ladder but you couldn't pull up someone else's body weight.

They're hanging up.

Yeah, I couldn't pull up your body weight.

Yeah, you could.

I couldn't.

Yeah, he's a machine.

He could.

Good.

I have guns.

I'm not entirely sure I could lift my daughter with one arm.

Yeah, you can, you can.

Let's just tell people.

Can.

We'll try that next time we have our daughter, shall we?

I can, I can hold her if you take sitting on my arm.

But yeah, if I was trying to pull it up, maybe I could.

I mean she's getting older and heavier.

Yeah, I could.

My door.

You probably could.

Not yours.

Oh, your daughter.

With ease.

But so they did a lot of training for it and everything else.

But they used AI.

You know the answer to this mark, because you saw this same documentary.

You won't know this time.

So they used AI in this film.

To write the script.

There's the teaser.

I was going to say where do you think they used it?

But there's the answer.

That's a good guess.

That's a good guess.

But it's not quite right.

Okay, it might be right.

I don't know.

They basically, when they were up on the poll and everything, they kept saying the F word.

Which one?

Oh yes, fermentation.

That one's allowed.

There's another one where you.

Which you can't say.

Oh yeah, well they were saying that F word and they kept.

They said it was it 60 times.

I think I found somewhere one of the.

One of them just couldn't stop saying it even though it wasn't in the spirit.

That's fair.

Yeah.

So apparently, though, then they realized from the Board of Certification that they had too many folks in there to give it the rating they wanted.

So it was going to be ra, which mean even.

Even less people would see it.

Yeah.

It's ridiculous that that word can get you an R rating.

Nothing else in the whole film other than.

What is it, 25F words are.

I'm pretty sure Olivia Rodrigo uses that word.

Sabrina Carpenter most certainly does.

Imagine that if you made like a children's animation, like, sweet.

As sweet as anything, but you had loads of Fs in it.

Ah.

Just because that.

Well, that would be South Park.

Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much.

Well, some of the shots with more explicit gore in them had to be toned down in order to secure this PG13 rating.

So they were big on this writing because they wanted as many people to see it as possible.

But the way they used AI was to get them to say stuff that wasn't fuck.

So it was like, oh, frig.

Or freaking out.

Oh, freaking out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, different stuff.

And it shows how they reanimated the bottom of their faces so she didn't.

Have to redub it all.

They did it.

What more filmmakers like you would know what the certification guidelines are?

Well, when they were up there, and it was intense, they didn't do enough takes, obviously.

Jesus.

You'd be like, okay, I want this to be a PG13.

Whatever they want it to be, you would write the script accordingly.

I feel like they were on a tight schedule, but that's how they go around it.

Anyway, so on the.

On the Blu Ray, there's the uncut and the theatrical.

And I was initially.

What's the difference?

What's the difference?

Because I want you which one to watch.

And the difference is the language.

Yeah.

So there you go.

Anyway, the filmmakers had considered green screen or digital sets, but ultimately opted for the real thing.

And they decided to build the upper portion of the tower on top of a mountain, as we said.

But they were never more than 100ft, so like 30 meters off the ground quite a bit.

And the actresses did do the bulk of their own stunts.

So I think you could tuck and roll.

Yeah, they could, definitely from where they were.

Yeah, 100%.

They had lots of problems with weather.

Oh, yeah, There was storms.

There was days they couldn't shoot.

Didn't get infested with wasps or something.

Ants.

Flying ants.

So they built this set and everything.

And it turns out underneath it was.

All these flying ants, all these tunnels that they'd covered over.

So they Just found another way out.

Just escaped trying to film a scene.

I was like all over their face and stuff.

Yeah, they said it was pretty horrendous.

So there's a lot of survival going on as they were making it.

Did you see also that these two girls are in another movie together?

Yeah, Fall two.

Oh, no.

It's coming out next week.

There's a plug.

We are sponsored by Fall two.

Yeah, yeah.

Now, what film was it?

It was before this.

I'm not sure it was before or after.

I know the lead actress was in the Shazam Films.

It's worth going to check out just for the atrocious reviews.

It's called A Breed Apart and it's.

Got Hayden Panettiere in rip yeah, I've been watching all.

Lots of her films and stuff this week.

Did you know Hayden?

She was in Nashville.

Heroes.

Good.

In Nashville.

I forgot she was in there.

Nashville.

Juliet Barnes.

Yeah.

Save the cheerleader, save the world.

No, no.

Bring it on.

All or nothing.

No.

Okay.

You'll have seen her in something.

She was the daughter in Ally McBeal.

She played.

Didn't watch Ali Mobile.

No.

Animal is great.

Remember the Titans?

You've seen that?

Yes.

Oh, yeah, she was.

Oh, her.

Yeah.

Yes, she was fantastic.

Child actor.

Yeah, she was in so much stuff.

She is fantastic indeed.

A Breed Apart is not okay.

Okay.

Apparently has very, very bad, like suspiciously AI generated mean zombie dogs or something like that.

Okay.

Run away, run away, run away.

Breed apart.

Anything else, Paul?

So after production finished, Liongate Films acquired the film's distribution rights without a minimum guarantee for the producers.

After it did well in test screenings, Liongate decided to release it in theaters.

So there's a bit of testing going on there.

The vultures appearing in the film are actually African vultures and outside zoos cannot be found in the United States.

And also don't eat them, apparently.

Darren says not good.

No.

No.

The belief that vultures attack humans is largely fueled by sensational media portrayals and myths.

There are virtually no documented cases of vultures attacking healthy humans.

And also, you don't get to eat one mouthful of vulture.

She's not Popeye and the vulture.

It's not like, oh, thank God, I've eaten this mouthful of raw bird.

I now have the strength to carry on.

No, you don't.

She did grab the vulture's legs and let it glide you down to the ground.

Something else which is interesting in the filmmaking process, which is in the behind the scenes, is so they worked with the director on how they were going to Stage it and things.

So he literally had a cardboard or like a plastic setup of how big that top tower piece was going to be in his back garden.

Oh, yeah.

So they could then rehearse the scenes with how they were going to lie.

And stuff with like James Cameron did with the door at the end of Titanic.

Yes, there you go.

And that's a bigger debate in itself.

So Darren's mind, if something's been done before, it's.

You get deleted.

Doesn't count.

That's gone.

Yeah, no, that's not that.

It was just that the whole thing was they wouldn't fit on it in Titanic.

So he clearly didn't check.

I'm sure there's behind the scenes discussions of him saying how they were going to film that, but.

Yeah, so they did that in his back garden as well before they went up on the hundred foot ledge.

The ringtone the Becky's phone plays when a father calls is the entrance theme for the legendary WWE tag team the Road warriors titled what a Rush.

Yes, it is.

Because she was wrestling with her dad.

One more.

When Hunter falls after retrieving the bag from the dish and before Becky checks on her, you can hear Hunter's body landing on the dish, revealing she didn't actually make it.

You can also see that the tension and weight on the rope doesn't change.

Right.

I didn't look that closely and kind of thought it was weird that she could hold her up, but didn't think any more of it till the reveal.

But like.

Yeah, so there you go.

That's something.

It's quite a cool little 20 minute.

Yeah.

There was the first major bit.

That was when she threw the bag down and she just went.

Yeah, totally.

Why didn't you catch it?

That was weird.

That got me thinking.

Something's not right here.

It's not quite right.

Thank you very much, Paul.

That takes us on to hate it or rate it.

It's my choice.

I really want to go to Darren first.

But it's.

The rules are.

It's my.

It was my choice.

So we go to Me first.

And I agree with everything both of you said.

Like the trip.

The script is full of holes.

It's a bit.

Yeah.

It could be written by AI, but I really enjoyed it.

I was tense throughout the entire movie.

Tense.

I've got to tell you guys, it made my balls tingle.

That's too much information.

That's an unusual Spidey sense.

My balls are tingling.

But yeah, like I said, I've watched the videos of people doing stupid stuff.

You know, you make.

You're like, oh, please make that jump.

Please don't fall.

Like that kind of.

That kind of had me like that.

I was impressed.

I actually was impressed by how much they got from, like, once.

It's basically one scene on a tower.

Like, the whole film is like how they made different parts, especially on the way up, different parts of the.

Of the tower, different parts of the story.

And then when it goes to the top, you think, how do you.

How do you stretch out a movie on there?

I was.

Darren Darwin probably think that he didn't, but.

But yeah, I enjoyed it.

Very tense.

I like the shots.

I like how they made it seem like it was higher than it was thought.

That was quite impressive.

I'm gonna give it a seven.

Solid seven.

That's it for me.

Over to you, Paul.

I'm gonna go to Paul.

Okay, I'm tall on it.

It was one of those that kind of pulled me in.

As it went along the first set of bit, I just kept thinking what a dick that that girl was.

And like, oh, it's climbing the tower.

I was like, you stupid idiot.

And then she was just continually being a dick.

Like, come on, you can do it, Becky, the old Becky would do it.

All that sort of stuff pissed me off a bit, but I think that was the point.

And then the betrayal husband thing, open scene where it was like cliffhanger.

I'm like, oh, okay, it's a bit cliched, but I'm going with it.

That's fine.

Because we need.

We need the backstory to make it.

So when they're on the tower, obviously all that kicks off.

But yeah, the tension of it is very good.

Maybe it was a bit longer than it needed to be.

They could have maybe just tightened it to keep the tension even more tense, if that makes sense.

But yeah, if you pick it apart, like we were doing a bit, then for comedy value, there's obviously bits like, if that's.

If you'd said all that and I agreed with it and I didn't enjoy the movie, I would have scored it.

But regardless of all, I still enjoyed it.

Yeah, there's films like that, isn't there, where if you dig too much, it's like, well, it's a movie.

And the whole idea when you hear the director talking about is he wanted that suspense and he wanted that thriller vibe and he wanted it more of an experience rather than anything else.

So I get that.

Cinematography was really good.

Again, once I've watched the behind the scenes thing, I have a Newfound respect for how they filmed it.

Sounds like they did it just after Covid as well.

So it must have been literally like.

They're all wearing some of the scenes where some of the crew were still wearing masks and stuff.

So that adds another layer of difficulty to.

It must have been a nightmare.

So I feel for them when they were doing that, because it can't be.

A mask in the hot desert as well.

Yeah, well, they were training is what I meant to say in the fax thing.

They were training in like tracksuits and stuff to get them used to being in the hot desert and sweating and stuff.

So they did a lot of work.

A lot of work went into it.

It's kind of mid, but at the same time it had some good bits.

I like the reveal.

Some of it's ridiculous.

Like when she's hanging off the top of the thing, charging the thing on the bulb and the vultures and it's suspenseful.

That's what they're heading for.

Can I give it a six?

I'm going to give it 5.7.

5.8.

Okay.

I enjoyed it.

It was tense.

It's not the kind of thing I normally watch.

I see how cleverly it was made, but.

And I like.

I like the actresses.

I like Jeffrey Dean when he turns up.

But yeah, it was missing something somewhere.

But still I enjoyed it.

It was good.

But not good enough to get me to a six.

Okay.

Over to the horn section.

I.

It's plucky.

It's.

It's a plucky movie.

It's.

I knew, I didn't realize it was, you know, post Covid, but it is a three million dollar budget.

I think it's only barely anything.

It's just a handful of characters.

It's got first time filmmaker vibes.

Because first time filmmaker vibes is you take, you know, small group of people, including girls, and you take them to a forest and you kill them.

Take them to a cabin in the woods and kill them.

Take them to a warehouse and you kill them.

Take them to a hospital and you kill them.

Kill.

Yeah, you just take them somewhere, isolate them and you do a hover.

Find different ways to kill them.

Yeah, like even Reservoir Dogs is basically that.

You know, go to a warehouse and shoot it all here.

You know, keep cost low.

I get that it's a.

It's a noble effort, but it's not a first time filmmaker.

It's a guy who's probably more like our age who's been making movies for a while.

And I like the Spiritual element.

But I don't think it was on purpose.

I think the element.

But then I think it was on purpose because, yeah, you got the Odin and the World Tree thing, but then you've got the vultures and it's like a spirit quest or something.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, well, firstly she can see dead people, so that's one thing that she's doing.

And then there's a bit where the second vulture goes for her and they make eye contact.

Inside the vulture is like, yes, you have evolved.

I recognize your greatness now.

You may survive and go about your life.

And then it sods off.

Yeah, it's like she like stares it down.

My work here is done.

You know, I love all that stuff, but the characters are fucked out.

You just can't get by that.

Like, I don't.

I actively don't like them.

Just don't like them.

So I don't care.

And then there was too many, like heavy musical stings.

When it was like, when the, the heights looked high, it'd be like.

Or when the wind came and it was sort of like wobble or something.

Like that was quite good on that.

Yeah.

I must confess.

Yeah.

And it bothers me that they're not younger.

I think if they had been like 6, 16, 17 or something, then I'd.

Forgive, like less experienced, kind of.

Yeah.

Like, let's shake the ladder to scare each other.

You're freaking 2,000ft up.

Let's not shake the ladder more.

I was like, hey, jump over to me, I'll grab you.

No, mid 20 year olds shouldn't be doing that stuff.

They grow up like particularly experienced or qualified climbers.

So I just thought everyone was a moron.

And I was bored for a lot of the time.

I was like, oh, yeah, this is.

I am high right now.

Like, this is.

We are high up and that is high.

And.

But it also is so exaggeratedly high.

It's like when you're in a plane, you know, it's like you're looking down and it's like really far down, but it's so far, it doesn't feel far.

It's like not even comprehensible.

Yeah.

It's like if you're on top of a.

Like a high building that's really high.

I'm like, oh, you can see people moving down there.

Yeah.

But if you're higher than that, took a roll and you look exactly.

I think that ain't so high.

I'll probably just land superheroes.

You were high.

When you're Watching it.

I'll do a superhero landing, and then there'll just be a crater.

And people made this crater, like Darren landing like a superhero and tucking and rolling.

So, yeah, these are my thoughts.

I don't think I've got anything else.

I suppose the biggest challenge of this whole ordeal was will they be Gen z?

Yeah.

No.

25, Mid-20s.

I don't know what.

Let's just call them Gen Z.

Okay, let's call them that.

Also, like putting rucksacks on one shoulder when they're about to go climbing.

Yeah, I know.

It's like, put it on both shoulders.

Like, it's not an ick to wear your rucksack on both shoulders.

But.

But having that much time without the Internet, surely that was the biggest challenge it would have been for that generation.

I hate doing generational stuff, but I feel like some of us who've been through the time without Internet had been like, oh, well, it's like the old days.

But they're like, there's no Internet.

One day, you know, that'll be a movie.

There's like a power cut somewhere, and it's like, chaos.

It's just a movie.

No Internet.

The Internet's gone.

I do think it would have been nice if it had commented on that and it had commented on the young people who struggle for their place in life and on.

Or meaning in life or what they're supposed to do or to make sense of anything.

I wish that they'd been a lesson.

Or after.

It could have done more of, like, what lessons did you learn?

Or sort of, like, what's.

What's the journey they've been on here.

Yeah.

How has it changed you as a person?

Yeah, exactly.

And it's.

And because it gets a bit dumb when she sees her dad and she's like, oh, I. I'm gonna be okay.