The Poison Ivy League

Hosts Beck and Dash open the Queernecks episode discussing a frightening car incident in Toledo where their dog Ru appeared to have an asthma attack and has a vet appointment Monday. They then talk about modern roast culture after seeing clips from the Kevin Hart roast, including Chelsea Handler’s jab at a MAGA comedian, mention Tony Hinchcliffe’s George Floyd joke, and discuss boundaries, context, and craft in comedy, referencing Penn & Teller’s Bullshit, the Aristocrats joke, Gilbert Gottfried after 9/11, and Seinfeld’s “political correctness” complaints, plus “retro sexism” in advertising and SNL’s post‑9/11 Giuliani moment. They touch on British competition shows, Dash’s faculty job interview and higher-ed pay/culture, a satirical “buy here, pay here” sponsor bit, car histories and maintenance, and Beck’s “noun of Appalachian interest” on Matewan, WV and the 1920 Mine Wars. They close with movie ideas, audiobooks, biking/cleaning plans, and queer music recommendations.

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00:00 Podcast Welcome

00:26 Ru’s Scary Asthma Attack

01:33 Living With Asthma

02:57 Kevin Hart Roast Fallout

04:31 When Roasts Turn Cruel

08:10 The Aristocrats and 9/11

10:45 Can You Joke About Anything

15:15 Retro Sexism in Ads

19:15 SNL After 9/11

22:26 British Reality Competitions

23:17 Great Pottery Throw Down Love

27:27 Faculty Interview Nerves

32:15 Campus Ego and Low Pay

33:51 Writing Routine and Online Teaching

34:41 New Job Logistics and Summer Break

35:13 Sponsor Buy Here Pay Here

37:34 Car Histories and Salvage Rides

40:35 Oil Changes and Four Wheel Fun

43:39 Noun Matewan Mine Wars

47:03 Appalshop and Film Talk

49:53 Queer Cinema Pairings

53:39 Audiobooks Count as Reading

55:23 Scary Movie Plans and Theater Anxiety

59:52 Foxy Merkins Pick and Discord

01:02:58 Wrap Up Music and Goodbyes

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Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the yehaw in y'all means all.

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I'm your host, Beck.

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Dash: And I am your host, Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode

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I kind of forgot that's what we were

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Beck: that's what we were

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Dash: Just talking away and now

Ziggy's gonna be talking to us.

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That's fine.

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Beck: we found out yesterday

that RU has asthma.

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I,

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Dash: Or baby.

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Do you have to do, do you have to

do that thing where you put her in a

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box with a nebulizer?

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Beck: Well, she has an

appointment at the vet on Monday.

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We were driving through Toledo down 75,

and she starts making this noise from the

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backseat and we're like, "What the hell?"

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And we pulled over in a

really sketchy neighborhood.

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It was, it was scary.

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Like, everything was boarded up

and, like, it was just not fun.

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And we stopped at this little gas

station, and Shannon did a finger

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sweep of her throat because it sounded

like it was, like, clicking, like

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there was something stuck in there.

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And she was just having an asthma attack,

and it went on for about 10 minutes.

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Finally calmed her down and she quit.

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And that was pretty much all that

happened, but, like, I was ready

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to take her to the animal ER.

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Like, I didn't know what was happening.

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But we called, and they said that

she'd probably be okay if she had

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another episode or her lips started,

or her not her lips, her tongue or

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her gums started turning blue, you

know, bring her in, So we kept a good

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eye on her, and she seems to be okay.

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But that was very scary.

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I've never had a dog do that to me before.

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Dash: Yeah, maybe it was,

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Maybe she was anxious

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being

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in the car, or...

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I don't know what causes asthma.

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in, in other animals.

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But sometimes for, for me, mine, don't

have much trouble with it, uh, at anymore,

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uh, now that I'm older.

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But, if I get into a certain environmental

allergen, then it'll really flare

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up and it it's more than I think for

if somebody, if doesn't have asthma.

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It's

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hard to imagine what it feels

like, because it's, it's,

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like, yeah, you get the tightness

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and wheezing in your chest

But it happens to your

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whole body too.

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You this like it feels like

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a hangover almost.

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Um, It's like borderline anaphylaxis

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you get feverish and stuff.

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I still get exercise induced asthma

occasionally and environmental allergen

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induced Like, I keep an inhaler, but I

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mostly only need it when I'm sick.

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Beck: I keep I also keep an inhaler

um, 'cause I have issues sometimes

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with, They've said I asthma, but

I've never had a real asthma attack.

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I've had the tightness and I can't

breathe very well, that kind of thing.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: I'll get to coughing

and can't quit, and a struggle

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for breath when that happens.

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So that's when I use mine.

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But I've never seen anything like

what happened with Ru last night.

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It was scary.

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And her nickname seems to be coming

Monkey Butt because that's what she is.

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So it's ru but she's a little Monkey Butt.

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Dash: Holler Rudy.

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Beck: Yeah, Rudy, Toot tooting.

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Rudy, Rudy, Ru.

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Dash: Did

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You watch

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The roast of

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Kevin Hart?

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Beck: I did not.

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Dash: I mean, I don't recommend it.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: But I saw

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clips,

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which that's how I, engage with

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a lot of media that I don't

really feel like actually watching

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but like, I, I'm

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interested in being abreast of it, you

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know?

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And if I think

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maybe that's just normal for

everyone, but I saw a lot of people.

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Talking about it

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the one

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was the one thing

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that was really, people have said a

lot about is Chelsea Handler's joke

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about oh, who was, I don't

even know how to Google

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this.

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I'm trying to, she was making fun of,

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was, who

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was--

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it?

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Chelsea Handler

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Yeah.

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oh, who the

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fuck was this guy?

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Something.

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Tony Hinchcliffe,

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some

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MAGA,

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comedian, which

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that in itself

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is conservatives do not

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have comedy,

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: And

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and many a person more educated in comedy

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has done a, a think piece on that Uh,

one of my favorite, um, deep dives on

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it was from a YouTuber named Big Joel.

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he has this Like hours long

of conservative comedy.

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historical analysis going back to

like, the, what you would call like

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the inception of the modern stand-up

comic, uh, in the seventies,

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late sixties, early

seventies to present day.

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I think that it's called

conservative Comedy

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Broke My Brain or

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something like that.

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So they're just not

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Beck: so not

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Dash: but

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Beck: roast,

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Dash: all,

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Beck: first of all,

roast become something.

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Dash: don't

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Beck: a

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Dash: that roast has a definition.

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and they used to

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be private among a group of people that

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share a discourse.

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They

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share a community like

the Friars Club roasts.

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that's the, the that has

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become popular.

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and they started televising those And

then that brought people who don't know

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anything about comedy into the equation.

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and It brought ratings into

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the equation.

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And so roasts changed

significantly to just cat fighting.

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there's a lot

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of cat

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fighting at roasts and

just being like, cruel

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and

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weird and

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disgusting

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and personal

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I still think

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Beck: I think

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Dash: could say

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Beck: you say that what

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Dash: not in the spirit of roast.

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did make me

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laugh though because it

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was a woman calling a

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specific thing out.

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She, this guy, you know, all of

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the, the

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MAGA.

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Comedians.

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said something like,

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your favorite pedophile president Is

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reinstating the draft.

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You must be excited that you can

your money where your mouth is

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and go fight in the war or

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whatever.

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And she said, Or do you pussies only go

to the Middle East for comedy festivals?"

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Talking about the Riyadh Festival.

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So I was like

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wow.

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You know, "Tell

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'em, but apparently that was

par for the course, that kind

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of thing Or worse, more personal

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was the majority of this

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whole event.

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And the thing that most people are

talking about specifically, like the

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black folks that I follow are talking

about um, Kat Williams, set on Kevin Hart.

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do you know about their

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Beck: Do you

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Dash: Kat

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Beck: No.

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Dash: Hart

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is it's personal, it's legendary and It's

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old, it goes way back.

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And didn't even try to bring

the others into the room to, it.

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He was just up there, speaking practically

to Kevin Hart and just saying the

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meanest shit he could come up with.

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And when he got up

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there, he goes

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like, I can't believe

they invited me to this.

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like, y'all know I hate this guy.

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Right?

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And we were like, okay, sure.

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That can work.

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For instance It

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worked in the roast of William Shatner

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A lot

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of

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or a few of his Star Trek

co-stars didn't like him much.

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Uh, any, a specific

example is George Decay.

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They didn't get along

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Shatner's, apparently a, a legendary

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asshole.

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And so George Decay attended the

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roast, but he still made jokes.

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the kind of jokes at Shatner's

expense that were professional, right?

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About how his weird

acting style or something.

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this was just

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like apparently beyond the pale.

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It was making jokes about him

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being at Diddy's, parties.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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Dash: Yeah

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Beck: The only thing I have really

seen about it is, is Black people

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talking about how they would not

allow that shit from white people.

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And I, I didn't watch it, so I

don't know the context for that.

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But apparently there was

some racist shit going on.

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Dash: Oh

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there, I think it was this fucking,

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Tony Hinchcliffe guy made

a joke about George Floyd

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Beck: Oh.

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Dash: Why would you do that

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Beck: oh,

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Dash: I mean, I guess that's

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Beck: I

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Dash: just up what

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was talking about.

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like roasts aren't roasts anymore.

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This is something that I I was

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talking about this with Claire, which has

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got me thinking about

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Do you ever watch Penn

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Beck: What?

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Dash: Teller's bullshit

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Beck: Bullshit.

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Dash: Check it out I

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Beck: Check it out.

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Dash: what it's

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Beck: I

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dunno what's

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Dash: the only one of its kind

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And it was just the two of them would

delve into various topics and decide

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if

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they were real or bullshit.

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Surprising things like I learned

a lot about the Cult of Alcoholics

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Beck: Alcoholic anonymous.

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Dash: on But they also

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Beck: they also

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Dash: on the Aristocrats, which

is a famous, This joke really

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Beck: this joke really s.

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Dash: from

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rest of us, right?

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Like, this is a joke.

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'cause the punchline is stupid.

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It's about the performance

and how you tell it.

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and it's, it's

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kind of

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the,

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Beck: Kind of

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Dash: joke of

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like a, like a family's

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trying

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out for a circus act, and it starts off

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kind of normal, or whatever.

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and they keep

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getting into more and more grotesque

things like really taboo things

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this family is doing, like scat

incest and horrible things to

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try out for

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Beck: to try out

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Dash: circus.

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And then At the end of their

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acts,

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the

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Beck: act,

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Dash: says, Wow okay

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Beck: wow, okay.

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Dash: call that And they

said, the aristocrats.

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it's a dumb like, ha ha,

it's, it was all low class

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humor and but

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they're they're named the

aristocrats, The dumbest

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punchline.

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but for comedians, it's how

much can you embellish the

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acts that

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these, this family is

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doing?

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how can you how can you make a new

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Beck: you

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Dash: And how can you pair that with

the context of a circus, whatever

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you wanna do So they produced a

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documentary

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called the Aris

Aristocrats about this joke

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which I also recommend.

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Really, really fun documentary.

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has a lot of

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Beck: a lot

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Dash: hitters

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in it.

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And it, it's actually a

really good insight into the

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culture of, of

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comedians, of standup, if you're

interested in that kind of thing.

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But he tell-

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there's a story in

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there, pen Gillette tells a

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story of a roast.

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It was a Friars Club roast

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shortly after nine 11.

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Gilbert Godfrey was up and he decided

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to do a set on

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attacks

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on,

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You know,

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he was talking about doing bits on flying,

doing bits on, hijacking, what have you.

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the audience

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they weren't having it, You

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know, they sort of erupted in, in,

booze and they were saying too soon.

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and so

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Beck: And so

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the

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Dash: on the spot into doing what

a lot of people will pinpoint

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as the first documented public

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performance

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of the aristocrats.

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And he starts telling his

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version of this joke And the way

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a lot of people

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Beck: the way, a lot of people talk about

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Dash: is that it was

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really important.

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it

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Beck: really important.

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Dash: moment, a paradigm shift

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in comedy and roasting.

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But to me

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Beck: But to

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Dash: it's significant

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that there became

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something like that

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that even comedians wouldn't joke about.

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how I don't know We still

don't joke about nine 11.

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Well people do but like, it's

still pretty rare a lot of people

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will say like, Oh that's too far

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Beck: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, true comedy, there's

room for jokes about everything,

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Dash: Sure

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Beck: There's a way to make a

joke about literally anything.

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It's in the, the approach

that you, you take to it.

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There's something funny in

every situation, you know?

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I mean, not...

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I don't know about George Floyd.

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That just seems too far.

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There are some things that...

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But then again, nine 11, you know,

4,000, 5,000 people died in that, and...

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I don't know.

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What, what what are we

allowed to make fun of?

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Once we start saying we can't make

fun of that, is that censorship?

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Is that thought police?

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You know?

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Like

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Dash: Well, and I thought about this

when Seinfeld kind of decided to tank

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his career That was, it was at least

10 years ago now, I think, where he

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said can't do comedy anymore yada yada

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This ain't, you know, like, um, you

have to be so politically correct these

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days, that's a stupid take because

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no one's asking You

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to be politically correct.

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They're asking you to

improve your craft the

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times, right?

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Like, you want to be let off the hook

for not getting any better at comedy.

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all of the jokes, like the

ones you think we should be

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making have been made already.

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every way that there is to mock a

trans person or a disabled person

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or a person of color has been

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done.

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So when somebody says like, okay, great.

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" Beck: Okay, great.

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Yeah."

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Dash: Another joke.

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Beck: is

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Dash: handle my edgy

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comedy.

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Beck: right.

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Dash: But what's being

said is like, you can joke

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about race.

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Plenty of people still do.

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but I need you to be

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good at it.

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I need it to be worth

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my time.

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I

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: Just like if I'm

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Beck: Just

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Dash: cake, if it's not any

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good,

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I'm going to

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throw it away and get

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another

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thing to eat that I do enjoy

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because it's gotta be worth the

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calories.

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Beck: But on the other hand, there are

situations that no matter how bad the

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cake is, you would eat it, like in prison.

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So maybe there are situations

where no matter how bad the comedy

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Dash: that's gallow's humor,

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right?

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Like

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: that's true.

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Context situation all that

is very relevant in comedy.

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: you were saying that folks

were pointing out like a white

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person couldn't talk to Kevin

Hart the way Kat Williams did.

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Beck: Right

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Dash: Maybe even more than that, right?

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Like

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someone

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someone who didn't actually have beef with

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Kevin Hart couldn't talk to

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him that way.

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Kat Williams gets to talk to Kevin Hart

That way because he fucking earned it.

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over

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decades of a But back to your

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question of

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like, are there some things

that are absolutely sacrosanct?

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I'm not gonna

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I, I'm not gonna, say

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that nobody is allowed to try.

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Because first of all, I'm not

the one who gets to decide that

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I'm not the comedy police.

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I'm not the thought

police, but the stakes are

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so high that if you do try,

you better stick the landing.

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Like if you think you're that guy

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who has the funny thing to say about

George Floyd, okay, but like, ask yourself

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why taking that risk feels so important.

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: Is it

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because you believe that?

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something needs to be said

and you're the one to say it.

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Or are you trying to be

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a provocateur?

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are you trying to rage bait?

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' Because you

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can do that but you're not gonna

get flowers for it, because nobody's

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gonna find it funny and

that's gonna be your fault.

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I have heard some, miraculous...

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I've heard some comics pull off some

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incredible things with

taboo material, or what you

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: 00:14:12

would

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: of as taboo material

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Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:14:15

Dash: about the roast battle

between between the trans woman

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and the guy with cerebral palsy

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: 00:14:19

Beck: Like I was thinking, I heard,

rape jokes are not funny clearly.

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Right.

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But somebody made a joke about rape

jokes, and that was funny, right?

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: 00:14:28

So they found an angle to talk about

the violent thing, but in a way that

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was hands off kind of, 'cause they

didn't actually talk about rape,

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they talked about the rape jokes.

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Dash: Right.

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Yeah so the a topic itself

is, is not off the table

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: 00:14:45

ever because everyone should

have the right to try to say

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something interesting about it.

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: 00:14:53

And that's what comedy does.

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is It it says interesting things

about really tough topics, you

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say, make a

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: 00:15:01

Beck: If you say,

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Dash: joke, and it's stupid,"

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everyone's gonna call you racist

because it is racist to make

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: 00:15:07

a stupid George Floyd joke,

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: 00:15:09

Beck: Right.

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Dash: you know that's the cost

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of attempting, to box

above your weight class

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: 00:15:15

Beck: It reminds, me of the concept that

I teach in class called retro sexism.

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it, it's used a lot in

advertising where, like Carl's Jr.

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It's a big one.

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: 00:15:23

They have, like, girls playing the, the

do do do do do, do the 4th of July song

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: 00:15:29

over cheeseburgers and fireworks and

women in sca, scaly Clint, or, you know

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: 00:15:35

not a lot of clothes is what my brain is

trying to say in mixing up all the words.

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: 00:15:39

There you go.

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My brain could not make that come out.

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: 00:15:42

Dash: is

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Rough

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Beck: Or, like, there's a, there's In

the, in the video that I show them,

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there's a Twix commercial where the guy

and the girl are taking the baby and

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: 00:15:52

putting it in the car, and he turns around

and there's a couple of girls pillow

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: 00:15:55

fighting, and they're like, "For Twix,

when you need a minute," 'cause she's

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: 00:15:59

like, "Are you looking at those girls?"

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And he's like, "No, honey, I'm

looking at potential babysitters."

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: 00:16:04

You know?

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And so they're talking about the way

that we laugh at the wife because

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she's so stupid that she believes this.

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: 00:16:10

And the company can take that, and they

know that they're doing sexism, right?

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But because they're trying to

do it in a funny way, that they

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somehow remove themselves from

the, the concept of sexism, like

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: 00:16:22

a,

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: 00:16:22

a wink and a nod.

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: 00:16:23

You know what I'm doing, and you

know what, you know, we both know

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: 00:16:26

what's happening here, but it's

not really what's happening here.

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: 00:16:28

We're satire it.

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: 00:16:29

And that's not what's happening at all.

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: 00:16:31

They're actually doing the sexism,

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: 00:16:33

you

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: 00:16:33

know?

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: 00:16:33

in, in effort to circumvent that,

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: 00:16:36

they,

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: 00:16:36

they dive right into it.

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: 00:16:38

And you see that a lot in commercials.

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: 00:16:40

Dash: What'd you say you call it?

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: 00:16:41

Beck: Retro sexism?

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: 00:16:42

I got that from the, the feminist

foundation um, Anna Scar, scar,

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: 00:16:47

Is that how you say her name?

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: 00:16:49

Scar- Scar.

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: 00:16:50

She's the one that, the GamerGate,

I don't know how to pronounce it.

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: 00:16:53

Dash: I think it's Okay Fuck

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: 00:16:56

Beck: But there's a Mike's Hard

Lemonade commercial in it, and two

522

: 00:16:59

guys are standing there and a little

Mike's Hard Lemonade cut out wooden

523

: 00:17:03

booth, and they're like talking to

two girls, and they're like, "Would

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: 00:17:06

you like some Mike's Hard Lemonade?

525

: 00:17:07

Can you believe there are some men that

won't drink this because women drink it?"

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: 00:17:10

And he- they were like,

"No, I can't believe that."

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: 00:17:13

And then it comes up, he's

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: 00:17:14

like, "Well, I could take you home."

529

: 00:17:16

Right?

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: 00:17:16

And they make a wink and a nod

531

: 00:17:18

in their effort to be nice guys.

532

: 00:17:19

They're actually trying

to hit on the women.

533

: 00:17:22

Dash: Ian is her last name

534

: 00:17:23

Beck: There you go.

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: 00:17:24

Dash: if

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: 00:17:25

you put us together,

would've, we kinda had it

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: 00:17:30

Uh, yeah advertising is You you will

find because it's job for the most part is

538

: 00:17:38

to make the broadest appeal possible the

worst a society gets or a culture Worse

539

: 00:17:45

I can do better than that you can you can

see a society reflect its its ideals in

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: 00:17:52

advertising faster than in other media

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: 00:17:55

Beck: Right.

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: 00:17:55

I always, I always show things like

Saturday Night Live and satire because

543

: 00:17:59

if you can understand what makes

somebody laugh or a group of people

544

: 00:18:01

laugh, you know something about them,

545

: 00:18:04

if you have people that are laughing

at racist jokes and George Floyd

546

: 00:18:07

jokes, you know something about them,

547

: 00:18:09

that's why I show, like, when I do the

Anita Hill Clarence Thomas, I show the

548

: 00:18:13

Saturday Night Live cold open where

they did that, and then I show the

549

: 00:18:17

Brent Brett Kavanaugh one, where they

also did the, the hearing of that.

550

: 00:18:21

And then I showed them the actual videos

that they're lampooning, and that's a

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: 00:18:24

very interesting class where we talk

about what's funny and who's allowed to,

552

: 00:18:28

to make fun of things and all of that.

553

: 00:18:31

That's, that's one of my

favorite classes of the semester.

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: 00:18:38

Dash: Gen Z has well this isn't just Gen

ZI think also younger millennials had

555

: 00:18:42

this conversation about the role humor

can play in normalizing certain things

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: 00:18:48

Beck: Mm-hmm.

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: 00:18:49

Dash: is valid for sure because the

the thing that makes advertising

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: 00:18:55

the fastest place to spot changes

in a culture is because its

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: 00:18:59

goal is to rush to the broadest

appeal, Whereas other forms of art

560

: 00:19:03

can be rewarded by resisting, norma

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: 00:19:06

normative

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: 00:19:07

forces or normalizing forces.

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: 00:19:09

but eventually something like

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: 00:19:11

SNL is going to settle

into that broad appeal.

565

: 00:19:15

going back to

566

: 00:19:15

nine 11

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: 00:19:16

is a really good example.

568

: 00:19:17

The episode they aired that happened.

569

: 00:19:20

So

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: 00:19:20

the Saturday following nine

11, New York, especially like

571

: 00:19:24

downtown New

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: 00:19:25

York City,

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: 00:19:26

is

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: 00:19:26

very,

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: 00:19:27

constructive of

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: 00:19:28

Saturday Night Live.

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: 00:19:30

very much a part

578

: 00:19:32

of, of that thing.

579

: 00:19:33

so after that

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: 00:19:34

happened,

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: 00:19:35

It's kind of a shame

582

: 00:19:37

like go back and watch that

583

: 00:19:38

Beck: Back that episode.

584

: 00:19:39

Dash: are moments in it that are

regular SNL, but there's also

585

: 00:19:41

like you can feel a bit, a little

586

: 00:19:43

bit of difference because I-- in my mind,

587

: 00:19:45

I I, at like when I was watching it,

and I think maybe the audience their

588

: 00:19:49

live audience was thinking this, like,

which way are they gonna take this?

589

: 00:19:52

they wound up pandering, they

had Rudy Giuliani on and like

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: 00:19:56

tearfully thanked him for being a good

leader during a hard time and stuff.

591

: 00:20:01

There's a way to

592

: 00:20:02

gesture to that.

593

: 00:20:03

There's a way to, to, include a

tragedy like that that doesn't

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: 00:20:07

bite so deeply

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: 00:20:08

into

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: 00:20:10

ballooning

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: 00:20:12

performative, patriotic,

xenophobic zeitgeist.

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: 00:20:15

What the hell day was

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: 00:20:16

nine 11.

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: 00:20:17

Beck: A Tuesday.

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: 00:20:18

Sure.

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: 00:20:19

Dash: by that Saturday,

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: 00:20:21

it was off the rails

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: 00:20:22

It was terrorism this, the war on terror.

605

: 00:20:25

It was, it was really only days

606

: 00:20:27

later.

607

: 00:20:28

So I understand how it was

tough for them and I I can't

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: 00:20:31

imagine making that

609

: 00:20:32

call in the moment if I'm Lorne Michaels.

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: 00:20:35

and they like out at the

end with some sort of like

611

: 00:20:39

Yeah so we we did our part We

612

: 00:20:42

talked about it Can we be funny

now Can we go back to being funny

613

: 00:20:45

Like, Lorne Michaels turns to Rudy

Giuliani and asks that question

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: 00:20:48

Beck: I think I've seen that clip

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: 00:20:49

Dash: are we still allowed

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: 00:20:50

Beck: Are

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: 00:20:51

Dash: in this, in in

this post nine 11 world?

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: 00:20:54

It is a very important moment

619

: 00:20:56

in.

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: 00:20:57

contemporary American

621

: 00:20:58

history, in public media.

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: 00:21:00

And, and they, they make a joke.

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: 00:21:02

but,

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: 00:21:02

like after all of

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: 00:21:04

that,

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: 00:21:05

Beck: all that

627

: 00:21:05

Dash: hours, right?

628

: 00:21:06

It's like two hours long and all the

629

: 00:21:09

the crying and the sentimentality

630

: 00:21:11

and the American fla of it.

631

: 00:21:14

and then to literally

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: 00:21:15

have Rudy Giuliani there

633

: 00:21:16

on Weekend update.

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: 00:21:17

Weekend update,

635

: 00:21:18

Just watch that.

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: 00:21:19

segment of

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: 00:21:20

that.

638

: 00:21:20

episode.

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: 00:21:21

Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:21:22

I will.

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: 00:21:22

I'm gonna go back and watch that.

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: 00:21:23

I wonder where they're...

643

: 00:21:25

it's probably on YouTube if anything else.

644

: 00:21:27

You can find a lot of the

old episodes on there.

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: 00:21:30

Dash: it's, isn't that

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: 00:21:31

Beck: Isn, that n Yeah, NBC.

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: 00:21:35

Dash: So I don't know

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: 00:21:36

what their streaming app is called Is it

649

: 00:21:39

Beck: Peacock,

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: 00:21:40

Yeah.

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: 00:21:41

Dash: Well, I'm sure yeah

I'm sure it's on there then

652

: 00:21:44

Beck: That's one of the apps I pay for

'cause of mostly because SVU is on there.

653

: 00:21:48

I can't leave Olivia Benson hanging.

654

: 00:21:51

Dash: do you ever watch

655

: 00:21:52

Criminal Minds?

656

: 00:21:53

Beck: Oh, yeah.

657

: 00:21:53

The, the new season starts

May 28th or something.

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: 00:21:56

They're gonna start dropping episodes.

659

: 00:21:58

Did you see they started SNL UK?

660

: 00:22:00

Dash: No

661

: 00:22:01

Beck: Yeah, London.

662

: 00:22:02

there's a couple of

episodes that have been out.

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: 00:22:04

I watched the first episode

that Tina Faye hosted.

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: 00:22:07

Dash: Oh

665

: 00:22:07

Beck: I haven't watched

anymore since then, but yeah.

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: 00:22:10

Dash: Okay

667

: 00:22:11

Beck: It'll be interesting

to see if it takes root.

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: 00:22:13

Dash: Yeah

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: 00:22:14

Beck: Because that's what a show

like that has to do, you know?

670

: 00:22:16

A show like that has to take root.

671

: 00:22:18

Like, people have to buy into it.

672

: 00:22:20

People have to take care in it.

673

: 00:22:22

They have to care what that,

that group of people have to say,

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: 00:22:24

or otherwise it doesn't work.

675

: 00:22:26

Dash: And als also adaptation

across contexts like

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: 00:22:32

Beck: Right

677

: 00:22:33

Dash: this

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: 00:22:33

version of it where

679

: 00:22:34

something is exported from the US to a

u to the UK or, or somewhere in Europe.

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: 00:22:40

It's not,

681

: 00:22:41

it doesn't happen

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: 00:22:41

that often and It's not very successful.

683

: 00:22:44

Normally We take a lot

of their stuff have,

684

: 00:22:48

right?

685

: 00:22:48

Like, and a lot of our biggest

hits have, have been exports,

686

: 00:22:52

Um, like

687

: 00:22:52

the Office.

688

: 00:22:53

A lot of our reality shows

689

: 00:22:56

are

690

: 00:22:56

just theirs, right

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: 00:22:58

Um, starting with American

Idol that's an export.

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: 00:23:01

Dancing

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: 00:23:02

With the Stars is an export

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: 00:23:03

Beck: X Factor.

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: 00:23:04

Dash: yeah, X Factor

696

: 00:23:05

Um, there's a there's a baking show

now But there have been instances

697

: 00:23:12

of of us trying to take things over

there and it doesn't work really

698

: 00:23:17

Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:23:18

Speaking of baking shows, have you

ever seen the pottery competition show?

700

: 00:23:22

Dash: The Great Pottery Throw Down

701

: 00:23:24

Beck: Yes.

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: 00:23:25

Dash: seen

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: 00:23:25

every single

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: 00:23:26

Beck: It is fantastic.

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: 00:23:27

Yeah, we've watched a lot of it, but

then Shannon got sad because that's

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: 00:23:30

what her degree is in, in ceramics.

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: 00:23:31

She has a, a Bachelor's of Art.

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: 00:23:33

And then she got too sad to watch

it 'cause she wanted to go do it.

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: 00:23:36

Dash: I really think I'm the

one that told you to watch it

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: 00:23:39

Beck: Are you?

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: 00:23:40

Dash: I think If you watched it recently,

cause I remembering this and this was

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: 00:23:42

like a year ago now I think it was

because we're talking about Shanna.

713

: 00:23:47

but because that's too weird of a

coincidence that we would've both seen

714

: 00:23:51

the least viewed of the Great British

but I don't know but yeah I love it

715

: 00:23:58

and the Keith the the the little judge

the way he cries every time he sees

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: 00:24:02

something beautiful it's just so lovely

717

: 00:24:05

Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:24:06

Dash: And

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: 00:24:06

then, because he's like this just big big

hearted softy about he just clearly loves

720

: 00:24:11

art He loves design He loves execution

and creation and stuff and then when he

721

: 00:24:16

does his little demonstrations and he

pulls off his button up shirt and he's

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: 00:24:21

just wearing the the tank top and he's

got his guns out and you're like Oh a

723

: 00:24:25

there's a a leather daddy under there

724

: 00:24:28

for,

725

: 00:24:31

Beck: Have you ever thrown before?

726

: 00:24:33

Dash: No I have not and

727

: 00:24:35

Beck: Me neither.

728

: 00:24:36

Dash: to

729

: 00:24:36

Beck: Me too.

730

: 00:24:37

Shanna would come home covered in

clay and slip and, you know, paint

731

: 00:24:41

and all kinds of stuff, and she

got to learn how to use power tools

732

: 00:24:44

and it just looks like so much fun.

733

: 00:24:46

She had a blast doing it.

734

: 00:24:48

Dash: Well I I did some sculpting and

like ceramics it, but we didn't we

735

: 00:24:54

didn't- Use like we just poured into

molds and then sculpted and stuff

736

: 00:24:58

and fired it like glazed it and fired

it and only in high school yeah,

737

: 00:25:03

just, this is not one of the um...

738

: 00:25:06

took a lot of art for my electives

in college but you had to buy

739

: 00:25:09

your own materials and so I

couldn't really afford much

740

: 00:25:12

Beck: Yeah.

741

: 00:25:13

Well, with tuition came,

742

: 00:25:14

um, unlimited clay and things like that.

743

: 00:25:17

That was one thing that

you didn't have to do.

744

: 00:25:18

You got to use the departments at Miami.

745

: 00:25:21

I,

746

: 00:25:21

Dash: That's one of them nice schools

747

: 00:25:23

Beck: Yeah.

748

: 00:25:24

Miami is one of the best

schools in the Midwest.

749

: 00:25:27

Dash: Yeah There's another of those

shows called The Great British Jewelry

750

: 00:25:33

Making Show Let me see what it's

751

: 00:25:36

called.

752

: 00:25:36

Beck: sounds fun.

753

: 00:25:37

Dash: Oh, it's excellent as well All

let's see You're likely Here's the AI

754

: 00:25:42

overview You're likely referring to the

hit television reality competition All

755

: 00:25:47

That Glitters Britain's Next Jewelry Star

It doesn't quite roll off the tongue Known

756

: 00:25:53

colloquially as the jewelry equivalent

to Bake Off But you know talking about

757

: 00:26:00

like how they like they do a lot of things

better than we do in terms of especially

758

: 00:26:06

reality competition is they all have hosts

that they call presenters and most of them

759

: 00:26:11

are comedians like the host of Pottery

Throwdown for the first not for the first

760

: 00:26:16

few seasons eventually becomes Shavon,

um, like Irish lesbian comedian McSweeney

761

: 00:26:22

Siobhan McSweeney she's a stand-up and

she's hilarious Katherine Ryan is the

762

: 00:26:27

presenter for the jewelry show She's a

Canadian, British comedian And I still

763

: 00:26:34

think about some of the things that she

said to Me and Claire were watching the

764

: 00:26:39

the jewelry one and there was this there

was this dude on there and he was so

765

: 00:26:44

sweet and earnest and just dumb as a box

of rocks And he would consistently say

766

: 00:26:51

things and I was like What This is giving

me the weirdest sensation of what he just

767

: 00:26:55

said And Claire's like, It's like being

in a Christopher Guest movie watching

768

: 00:26:59

this man It was like watching bested

Show and it that's so accurate I Wonder

769

: 00:27:04

what else ones there are What are all the

British what do we call those Competition

770

: 00:27:13

Beck: shows?

771

: 00:27:14

Dash: reality shows Google's like, I got

you Category British reality televisions

772

: 00:27:22

series Oh good Lord Nevermind brisket.

773

: 00:27:26

God dammit.

774

: 00:27:27

I know it's the only window open in

the house so I know why you wanna

775

: 00:27:30

get in it but it's als I'm using it

776

: 00:27:37

I had a job interview on Tuesday

777

: 00:27:40

Beck: How did that go?

778

: 00:27:41

Dash: It was fine It was it was

fun They were nice I, I've never

779

: 00:27:46

interviewed for a faculty gig before

and so you know the presentation

780

: 00:27:50

portion where they give you a prompt

781

: 00:27:53

Beck: I've never been through it

either, so no, I didn't know that.

782

: 00:27:56

Dash: See if you can serve on a

committee on a search committee

783

: 00:27:59

Beck: I did for the director,

but that was totally different.

784

: 00:28:01

Dash: They didn't do a

presentation for that

785

: 00:28:03

Beck: Not that I remember.

786

: 00:28:04

She was the only person

that applied for it.

787

: 00:28:06

Dash: Oh damn that is

scandalous so yeah it's

788

: 00:28:10

Beck: so yeah.

789

: 00:28:10

Dash: ed for faculty

790

: 00:28:11

or, uh, staff position

791

: 00:28:13

It, maybe It's

792

: 00:28:14

becoming less customary

now, used to the first time

793

: 00:28:17

I was

794

: 00:28:17

on the

795

: 00:28:17

Beck: the first time I was on

796

: 00:28:18

Dash: uh, interviews were multiple days.

797

: 00:28:20

You get, you fly in the

798

: 00:28:21

night before, and you have

799

: 00:28:22

dinner with a certain group of

interested parties, you know, maybe.

800

: 00:28:27

Some people who would be colleagues,

801

: 00:28:29

um, you

802

: 00:28:29

know, folks not

803

: 00:28:30

it's not super serious,

but you're definitely on."

804

: 00:28:33

And then the next

805

: 00:28:34

Beck: And the next day,

806

: 00:28:35

you

807

: 00:28:35

Dash: the hotel and

around like, anytime from

808

: 00:28:38

7

809

: 00:28:39

Beck: from 7 eight

810

: 00:28:40

Dash: ish,

811

: 00:28:40

Beck: 30 ish and you'll have breakfast

812

: 00:28:42

Dash: another

813

: 00:28:43

Beck: another

814

: 00:28:43

Dash: of, interested

folks on campus or maybe

815

: 00:28:46

maybe some of the

816

: 00:28:46

same, maybe, some students

817

: 00:28:48

then you'll

818

: 00:28:49

Beck: and you'll

819

: 00:28:50

Dash: and start a full day of

820

: 00:28:53

half hour to

821

: 00:28:54

Beck: half hour

822

: 00:28:55

Dash: slash interviews with

823

: 00:28:56

various people.

824

: 00:28:57

You'll meet with maybe the

825

: 00:28:59

VP of whatever division

826

: 00:29:00

the chair of whatever

department, the search committee

827

: 00:29:04

And

828

: 00:29:04

They'll ask you those like

round robin questions.

829

: 00:29:06

And then there'll be a

point where you'll give a

830

: 00:29:08

presentation of some sort and they'll give

you a prompt to create the presentation

831

: 00:29:13

based on So for all the, a lot of the

staff positions I have interviewed for,

832

: 00:29:20

be like,

833

: 00:29:22

do a presentation

834

: 00:29:23

Beck: presentation,

835

: 00:29:24

Dash: first year goals

836

: 00:29:25

and how you'll, accomplish

837

: 00:29:27

Beck: accomplishing

838

: 00:29:28

Dash: they'll give you a case scenario

839

: 00:29:30

like a

840

: 00:29:30

Beck: scenario

841

: 00:29:30

Dash: study

842

: 00:29:31

Beck: case study,

843

: 00:29:32

Dash: say the steps you

would do to respond to

844

: 00:29:34

it.

845

: 00:29:34

For faculty, it's either a

teaching demonstration or

846

: 00:29:39

a demonstration of your

research depending on where

847

: 00:29:41

you're interviewing.

848

: 00:29:42

So I've never done that

849

: 00:29:43

one before.

850

: 00:29:43

It's

851

: 00:29:43

always

852

: 00:29:44

it's always been for me, like,

what happens if there's a

853

: 00:29:46

crisis You know, and how do you

854

: 00:29:49

handle this crisis?

855

: 00:29:50

or

856

: 00:29:50

how

857

: 00:29:50

do you respond to this And so this was

very much like, I could just explain

858

: 00:29:56

this to you because it was just sim- it

859

: 00:29:57

just felt like a really

860

: 00:30:00

simple,

861

: 00:30:01

presentation compared

to the ones I've done.

862

: 00:30:04

they were like, how would you

863

: 00:30:05

Do a demonstration of walking students

864

: 00:30:08

through editing a a

thesis statement from this

865

: 00:30:12

kind of paper into

866

: 00:30:13

a thesis statement for

867

: 00:30:15

another kind of paper so as I was doing

it, I felt really self-conscious because I

868

: 00:30:19

was describing something extremely simple

a group of people who knew how to do it.

869

: 00:30:25

And maybe that's what it's

870

: 00:30:26

Beck: Maybe that's what it's

871

: 00:30:27

Dash: gigs Um, if anybody out

there listening has ever done,

872

: 00:30:30

a, has done faculty interviews.

873

: 00:30:33

let let us know if

874

: 00:30:34

that's normal, but

875

: 00:30:34

I just, I was sweating

876

: 00:30:36

so

877

: 00:30:37

Beck: sweating.

878

: 00:30:37

Dash: I just felt really self-conscious

describing something obvious

879

: 00:30:41

because it's not my usual experience.

880

: 00:30:42

My usual experience, like the

881

: 00:30:44

past 15 years has been, I'm the

only person in the room that knows

882

: 00:30:47

the thing, and If I don't know it,

883

: 00:30:50

then the problem doesn't get solved.

884

: 00:30:52

And it's, so, it was

885

: 00:30:53

really difficult to go from that gear

886

: 00:30:56

to, um Well here's a

887

: 00:30:59

here's something you could Google.

888

: 00:31:00

Beck: Right.

889

: 00:31:03

Dash: But

890

: 00:31:04

You know, teaching isn't about that.

891

: 00:31:05

Like,

892

: 00:31:06

Beck: like the

893

: 00:31:07

Dash: not it's,

894

: 00:31:09

well, maybe It's a different kind of

895

: 00:31:10

problem solving.

896

: 00:31:11

Right.

897

: 00:31:11

Praxis.

898

: 00:31:13

'cause one of the things they

asked me was like, the difference

899

: 00:31:15

between process and product.

900

: 00:31:16

and I was like, wow, you

guys are talking to people

901

: 00:31:18

that don't know that.

902

: 00:31:19

Huh.

903

: 00:31:20

Okay.

904

: 00:31:21

So it was, like, validating and stressful

905

: 00:31:24

at the same time

906

: 00:31:25

And then also, like, you mean

907

: 00:31:27

to tell me jobs like,

908

: 00:31:27

this have

909

: 00:31:28

been out here all along,

910

: 00:31:29

and I have been dying over

911

: 00:31:31

crises for 15 years

912

: 00:31:33

for less money.

913

: 00:31:35

They seemed like a cool bunch

914

: 00:31:37

and I liked that it was a community

915

: 00:31:38

college.

916

: 00:31:38

'cause uh, there's a job the, the same job

as posted at the university that just me.

917

: 00:31:44

I shall not be applying for it

918

: 00:31:45

Beck: Yeah.

919

: 00:31:46

Dash: Their culture is

920

: 00:31:47

just awful.

921

: 00:31:48

Beck: Why would you go back into the fire?

922

: 00:31:49

Dash: Not only that, but they

call themselves, hang on.

923

: 00:31:54

It was

924

: 00:31:55

Ivy of the Prairie

925

: 00:31:57

Yeah.

926

: 00:31:57

Beck: Well, that's-

927

: 00:31:58

Dash: Listeners you

928

: 00:31:59

can

929

: 00:31:59

imagine the faces we just made

930

: 00:32:03

Maybe

931

: 00:32:03

you heard the

932

: 00:32:04

faces we just made

933

: 00:32:06

Beck: Of all the things you've told

me about that particular school, that

934

: 00:32:10

its Ivy League caliber was not one

of the reactions that I have had.

935

: 00:32:16

Dash: They have, they've not

updated their impression of

936

: 00:32:19

themselves since the nineties, which

937

: 00:32:21

Beck: Do they mean like poison ivy?

938

: 00:32:24

Dash: M lock.

939

: 00:32:28

And like.

940

: 00:32:29

dream big, you know, um, dress

for the job that you want.

941

: 00:32:33

I can't, from everything I can

tell it was a big deal back in the

942

: 00:32:37

day, you know, for for some very

specific reasons that there was a

943

: 00:32:41

couple of really influential people

on campus that made It their whole

944

: 00:32:46

personality their whole identity

945

: 00:32:48

impact the school in certain ways And

those people have gone and it's just

946

: 00:32:53

slowly deflated like, a weird balloon.

947

: 00:32:57

so, because when I came here and they

told me that and I was like, really?

948

: 00:33:02

And yet they posted this job that his PhD

required with a starting salary of $52,000

949

: 00:33:10

You want somebody with a PhD in philosophy

to move to the surface of the moon

950

: 00:33:15

for $52,000?

951

: 00:33:17

Why would they do

952

: 00:33:18

that?

953

: 00:33:19

Beck: Right, because they're

desperate, and that's, that

954

: 00:33:21

you can sort of live on that.

955

: 00:33:23

Dash: Yeah and so like what kind of

cognitive dissonance- Is that, it, have

956

: 00:33:28

they finally realized, okay, maybe we're

not all that because nobody's applying

957

: 00:33:31

to our jobs, do they still think that

958

: 00:33:36

people would come to work

959

: 00:33:37

here for

960

: 00:33:38

that amount of money because they're

just, lucky to be here feel lucky

961

: 00:33:41

to be here That's how they see the

students as well don't know This

962

: 00:33:44

has become a higher ed podcast

963

: 00:33:46

Beck: Poop.

964

: 00:33:47

There, I just brought it back down.

965

: 00:33:51

Dash: Have you been writing

966

: 00:33:53

Beck: I have.

967

: 00:33:54

I've been, ... Not yesterday,

'cause I took the day off.

968

: 00:33:57

But the day before that and the

day before that, I added pages.

969

: 00:34:00

So,

970

: 00:34:01

Dash: that's the way it

971

: 00:34:02

gets done.

972

: 00:34:03

Beck: I- that's the only thing I- was,

I'm teaching a class online right now.

973

: 00:34:07

But I got everything done for

that class by Tuesday morning,

974

: 00:34:09

and I haven't touched it since.

975

: 00:34:11

Basically they have some assignments

due and then a discussion board,

976

: 00:34:14

and I have to respond to so many

of the discussion board posts.

977

: 00:34:17

So I just went in and did all

of those at once, and then made

978

: 00:34:21

sure everything was graded.

979

: 00:34:22

And I don't have to touch

it again until Monday, so.

980

: 00:34:25

Dash: For the the other university

981

: 00:34:28

Beck: Yeah.

982

: 00:34:29

It's pretty cut and dry,

983

: 00:34:30

Dash: Yeah.

984

: 00:34:31

Beck: And I only put maybe

10, 12 hours a week into it.

985

: 00:34:34

And the extra income is very helpful, so.

986

: 00:34:37

And it forces me to get online and be

focused and, and that kind of thing.

987

: 00:34:41

Dash: if I wind up working

for these folks and it

988

: 00:34:44

that's of...

989

: 00:34:45

It's not a huge if.

990

: 00:34:46

They already called and asked for my

references, so they're gonna offer.

991

: 00:34:49

they'll need to agree to some things

for it to be physically possible

992

: 00:34:52

for me because it's a 90 minute

drive and they may not be able to

993

: 00:34:56

having summers off I don't

know what that's gonna be

994

: 00:34:59

like what is that life like

995

: 00:35:01

Beck: I enjoy it thoroughly

996

: 00:35:02

Dash: right

997

: 00:35:03

Beck: Five stars.

998

: 00:35:04

Highly recommend it.

999

: 00:35:05

Dash: Crazy

: 1000

00:35:06,755 --> 00:35:06,995

Beck: Great.

: 1001

00:35:07,242 --> 00:35:08,262

Dash: Well, maybe it's

: 1002

00:35:08,525 --> 00:35:08,915

Beck: maybe it's

: 1003

00:35:09,042 --> 00:35:09,222

Dash: this

: 1004

00:35:09,425 --> 00:35:09,555

Beck: to hear

: 1005

00:35:10,482 --> 00:35:11,952

Dash: who I have forgotten.

: 1006

00:35:12,162 --> 00:35:13,272

Oh, lemme put my glasses on.

: 1007

00:35:14,212 --> 00:35:17,040

This week's episode of Queer

Next is brought to you by the

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00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,140

Buy here, pay here car lot.

: 1009

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Or the buy here, pay

: 1010

00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:22,699

Used car lot, I

: 1011

00:35:22,699 --> 00:35:23,179

should say.

: 1012

00:35:23,179 --> 00:35:25,703

There are no new ones that be graveled,

: 1013

00:35:25,703 --> 00:35:26,303

stretch of

: 1014

00:35:26,303 --> 00:35:30,443

asphalt on the edge of town where the

American dream goes to get its catalytic

: 1015

00:35:30,443 --> 00:35:35,283

converter stolen with felonious interest

rates and on-call knee breakers to

: 1016

00:35:35,283 --> 00:35:35,943

enforce them.

: 1017

00:35:35,943 --> 00:35:37,803

You'll take what you

can get and be grateful.

: 1018

00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:42,093

Or else If the check engine light ain't

on, it's because the dash is broken too.

: 1019

00:35:42,453 --> 00:35:46,503

If you're tired of trudging 10 miles

to work and having pocket money, go on

: 1020

00:35:46,503 --> 00:35:51,043

down to honest ads and get stole from

Bask in the smell of stale Winston

: 1021

00:35:51,043 --> 00:35:52,783

Reds and desperation while you

: 1022

00:35:52,783 --> 00:35:56,833

hand over a stack of crumpled twenties

to a man named Rick wearing a ring

: 1023

00:35:56,833 --> 00:36:00,839

large enough to double as a blunt force

weapon because it does, You aren't there

: 1024

00:36:00,839 --> 00:36:02,729

because your lifelong ambition is to own

: 1025

00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:03,899

a: 2008

: 1026

00:36:03,899 --> 00:36:05,909

with a mismatched bumper

and a permanent scent of

: 1027

00:36:05,909 --> 00:36:06,569

wet dog.

: 1028

00:36:06,969 --> 00:36:10,359

there because credit scores are for

people who've never had the thought.

: 1029

00:36:10,359 --> 00:36:12,879

If I stopped eating I wouldn't

need to go to the dentist anymore.

: 1030

00:36:14,661 --> 00:36:19,611

The buy here pay here lot is a special

kind of rural purgatory It's built on the

: 1031

00:36:19,611 --> 00:36:23,211

absolute necessity of having wheels

in a place where the nearest grocery

: 1032

00:36:23,211 --> 00:36:26,841

store is three town over and the public

transit is just a guy named Darryl With

: 1033

00:36:26,841 --> 00:36:30,431

the flatbed, You know you need that

car to get to the shift that pays for

: 1034

00:36:30,431 --> 00:36:32,501

the car creating a circle as vicious as

: 1035

00:36:32,501 --> 00:36:35,081

the one where a living

organism gets killed in ate.

: 1036

00:36:35,501 --> 00:36:36,071

It's a place

: 1037

00:36:36,071 --> 00:36:40,301

where no credit no problem, actually means

your problems are actually much larger

: 1038

00:36:40,301 --> 00:36:42,041

than yet and just getting warmed up.

: 1039

00:36:42,421 --> 00:36:45,361

It's a demonic confluence of

hope and low grade anxiety.

: 1040

00:36:45,481 --> 00:36:48,421

You spend every Friday afternoon

driving to that gravel lot to hand

: 1041

00:36:48,421 --> 00:36:51,781

over half your paycheck in cash,

praying the transmission holds together

: 1042

00:36:51,961 --> 00:36:53,341

until your second job pays out.

: 1043

00:36:54,211 --> 00:36:57,931

all this despite knowing that the GPS

tracker hidden under the dashboard is

: 1044

00:36:57,931 --> 00:36:59,581

worth more than the actual engine

: 1045

00:37:00,086 --> 00:37:01,106

For a lot of us,

: 1046

00:37:01,196 --> 00:37:02,066

these lots were

: 1047

00:37:02,066 --> 00:37:03,446

our first taste of adulting.

: 1048

00:37:03,686 --> 00:37:04,286

We learned.

: 1049

00:37:04,286 --> 00:37:08,387

one of the limitations of our lot in life

is you hardly ever get to own anything.

: 1050

00:37:08,477 --> 00:37:10,187

and if you do, it's utter trash.

: 1051

00:37:10,907 --> 00:37:11,867

learned to sacrifice

: 1052

00:37:11,867 --> 00:37:15,077

our automotive dignity to the raw

mechanical reality of getting from

: 1053

00:37:15,077 --> 00:37:18,377

point A to point B without the

floorboards rusting out from under

: 1054

00:37:18,377 --> 00:37:20,337

your boots the buy here pay here lot.

: 1055

00:37:20,367 --> 00:37:21,327

Providing the fine

: 1056

00:37:21,327 --> 00:37:22,347

people of the holler

: 1057

00:37:22,497 --> 00:37:25,137

with the right to pay four times the

blue book value for a vehicle that's

: 1058

00:37:25,137 --> 00:37:26,937

held together by Bondo and prayer.

: 1059

00:37:27,357 --> 00:37:30,837

And now back to queer Next, where our

internals are also making a sound.

: 1060

00:37:30,837 --> 00:37:33,177

We've decided just to ignore

until something falls off.

: 1061

00:37:35,126 --> 00:37:35,846

Beck: Have you ever bought a

: 1062

00:37:38,796 --> 00:37:42,066

Dash: This delay has got us

like having twinning moments.

: 1063

00:37:42,711 --> 00:37:46,251

I have never, because that's

one thing there, there are

: 1064

00:37:46,251 --> 00:37:48,291

certain like fiscal things that

: 1065

00:37:48,291 --> 00:37:50,541

my parents were absolutely

: 1066

00:37:50,541 --> 00:37:51,111

dead set

: 1067

00:37:51,111 --> 00:37:51,951

on me knowing.

: 1068

00:37:51,981 --> 00:37:52,551

and

: 1069

00:37:52,551 --> 00:37:54,171

so avoiding the buy here, pay

: 1070

00:37:54,171 --> 00:37:55,191

here lot was one of them.

: 1071

00:37:55,681 --> 00:37:55,831

if

: 1072

00:37:55,944 --> 00:37:56,334

Beck: Yeah.

: 1073

00:37:56,371 --> 00:37:58,051

Dash: to be true it is

: 1074

00:37:58,611 --> 00:38:01,841

Beck: So I've only ever bought

two cars off of a lot both used.

: 1075

00:38:02,211 --> 00:38:05,411

Every other car that I've had

has come from a impo, not an

: 1076

00:38:05,411 --> 00:38:07,259

impound yard, a uh, junkyard.

: 1077

00:38:07,689 --> 00:38:11,409

Because my dad would rebuild

my car's, uh- Salvage.

: 1078

00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:16,659

My first car was a, my Geo Metro, and

it, my, we went out driving, and we went,

: 1079

00:38:16,659 --> 00:38:17,919

and my dad was like, "Pick one out."

: 1080

00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:19,869

And I picked out a

Mustang, and he said no.

: 1081

00:38:20,019 --> 00:38:23,004

so then I picked out the Geo Metro, and

he is like, "Okay, that's more our speed."

: 1082

00:38:23,344 --> 00:38:26,044

And then I drove that until I got

my Hyundai Accent, which was a

: 1083

00:38:26,044 --> 00:38:29,224

graduation present, which came in

on a flatbed, crashed the front.

: 1084

00:38:29,689 --> 00:38:32,444

And then I had the car that I

bought, my other Hyundai Accent

: 1085

00:38:32,444 --> 00:38:34,604

that I bought off of a used car lot.

: 1086

00:38:35,054 --> 00:38:38,804

But I paid like $12,000 for that, so

I had a whole car loan and all that.

: 1087

00:38:39,204 --> 00:38:42,564

And then after that one ran out,

I had the car that my dad gave me,

: 1088

00:38:42,564 --> 00:38:46,464

the Malibu, and I drove that thing

for 200,000 miles for like 12 years.

: 1089

00:38:46,904 --> 00:38:49,604

And then I've got the, the

Equinox that I'm driving now

: 1090

00:38:49,604 --> 00:38:51,554

that I bought, I paid cash for.

: 1091

00:38:51,979 --> 00:38:57,853

Dash: My first vehicle was given to me It

was the the Metro dad had bought it off

: 1092

00:38:57,853 --> 00:39:02,872

of a a local car lot, uh, down in my, I

think, I don't know if it was Williamsburg

: 1093

00:39:02,872 --> 00:39:08,102

or Corbin somewhere around in that area

for $1,900 and he drove it until it had

: 1094

00:39:08,102 --> 00:39:10,509

300 something thousand miles on it it

: 1095

00:39:10,509 --> 00:39:12,499

was falling apart in such specific

: 1096

00:39:12,499 --> 00:39:13,099

ways.

: 1097

00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:14,315

And so he gave it to

: 1098

00:39:14,315 --> 00:39:18,005

me fully thinking that it would

last, you know, especially with

: 1099

00:39:18,005 --> 00:39:18,970

the new driver, that

: 1100

00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:19,290

it was,

: 1101

00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:20,375

that it was was gonna

: 1102

00:39:20,375 --> 00:39:21,395

last maybe

: 1103

00:39:21,485 --> 00:39:22,415

six months to a year

: 1104

00:39:22,887 --> 00:39:23,847

and so I drove it for

: 1105

00:39:23,847 --> 00:39:24,597

years.

: 1106

00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:25,339

It eventually

: 1107

00:39:25,339 --> 00:39:26,059

healed itself.

: 1108

00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:28,868

I think I told the story it had an oil

: 1109

00:39:28,928 --> 00:39:29,856

leak, it would,

: 1110

00:39:30,036 --> 00:39:30,186

the

: 1111

00:39:30,329 --> 00:39:30,814

Beck: And it would

: 1112

00:39:31,056 --> 00:39:34,027

Dash: l leak onto the flywheel,

: 1113

00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:34,726

Beck: flywheel,

: 1114

00:39:34,777 --> 00:39:35,377

Dash: which was

: 1115

00:39:35,616 --> 00:39:37,446

Beck: which is the clutch

: 1116

00:39:37,597 --> 00:39:38,227

Dash: basically for the

: 1117

00:39:38,227 --> 00:39:38,977

transmission.

: 1118

00:39:40,077 --> 00:39:40,917

you know when you switch

: 1119

00:39:40,917 --> 00:39:41,247

into a

: 1120

00:39:41,247 --> 00:39:41,907

gear, it's

: 1121

00:39:42,146 --> 00:39:42,266

Beck: a

: 1122

00:39:42,417 --> 00:39:43,587

Dash: the teeth grab, and then it

: 1123

00:39:43,647 --> 00:39:45,147

takes off, and the oil was

: 1124

00:39:45,147 --> 00:39:46,407

leaking onto that flywheel which

: 1125

00:39:46,466 --> 00:39:47,666

Beck: flywheel, also happens.

: 1126

00:39:47,951 --> 00:39:49,631

Dash: from the last clutch put on it.

: 1127

00:39:49,645 --> 00:39:51,181

the guy, who replaced it was somebody

: 1128

00:39:51,391 --> 00:39:52,231

Angelico holler.

: 1129

00:39:52,501 --> 00:39:55,561

he didn't rotate the flywheel and so

it was only touching on a certain.

: 1130

00:39:56,047 --> 00:39:57,317

like this, And

: 1131

00:39:57,317 --> 00:39:59,627

then it was leaking oil onto that spot.

: 1132

00:39:59,687 --> 00:40:00,467

And So

: 1133

00:40:00,497 --> 00:40:03,017

if I gave it too much gas

: 1134

00:40:03,077 --> 00:40:05,351

in second or third gear, it would

: 1135

00:40:05,351 --> 00:40:07,271

just fly outta gear And so I'd be on the

: 1136

00:40:07,595 --> 00:40:08,285

Beck: Oh, wow.

: 1137

00:40:08,501 --> 00:40:09,911

Dash: Yeah Well, It eventually

: 1138

00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,750

Beck: Eventually

: 1139

00:40:11,081 --> 00:40:11,291

Dash: and I

: 1140

00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:11,670

Beck: that,

: 1141

00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:12,581

Dash: going on?"

: 1142

00:40:12,581 --> 00:40:13,121

And So

: 1143

00:40:13,151 --> 00:40:14,921

Dad opened it up and looked

at it and he was like,

: 1144

00:40:14,921 --> 00:40:16,811

well, the oil

: 1145

00:40:16,811 --> 00:40:18,131

leak has gMed

: 1146

00:40:18,131 --> 00:40:22,091

itself shut it congealed

on the seal," And because

: 1147

00:40:22,091 --> 00:40:23,921

I change the oil.

: 1148

00:40:25,181 --> 00:40:25,541

so

: 1149

00:40:25,541 --> 00:40:26,951

he changed the oil and He was like, "I

: 1150

00:40:27,671 --> 00:40:28,661

I mean, I'll just leave it.

: 1151

00:40:28,661 --> 00:40:29,771

We'll see if it stays that way."

: 1152

00:40:29,771 --> 00:40:31,781

it never did leak oil again, and the

: 1153

00:40:31,925 --> 00:40:32,405

Beck: Wow.

: 1154

00:40:32,621 --> 00:40:33,401

Dash: warped to the

: 1155

00:40:33,401 --> 00:40:34,121

old flywheel,

: 1156

00:40:36,446 --> 00:40:40,466

Beck: That's one thing I'm meticulous

about is oil changes and tire rotations.

: 1157

00:40:40,791 --> 00:40:41,536

I get those done.

: 1158

00:40:41,536 --> 00:40:43,906

I don't get the tire rotations

done as often as I should,

: 1159

00:40:43,906 --> 00:40:45,616

but I still maintain them.

: 1160

00:40:46,021 --> 00:40:49,328

but oil changes I do by

the car recommendation, not

: 1161

00:40:49,328 --> 00:40:50,468

by the oil change place.

: 1162

00:40:50,468 --> 00:40:52,239

I do it when it's down to like, 20%.

: 1163

00:40:52,509 --> 00:40:54,609

Because if they want you in

there every 3,000 miles, I'd

: 1164

00:40:54,609 --> 00:40:55,599

be getting one every month.

: 1165

00:40:55,742 --> 00:40:56,532

Dash: Nobody

: 1166

00:40:56,589 --> 00:40:58,359

Beck: know, I put a

lot of miles on my car.

: 1167

00:40:58,785 --> 00:41:04,005

Dash: who drives a regular contemporary

vehicle needs a: 3000

: 1168

00:41:04,005 --> 00:41:06,547

change because, there's two reasons

: 1169

00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,937

One most oil is synthetic, but even

if you don't do like the premium

: 1170

00:41:09,937 --> 00:41:16,299

synthetic oil change, number is based on

before blocks were titanium, the, they

: 1171

00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:18,489

used to be made out of all kinds of,

: 1172

00:41:18,609 --> 00:41:21,459

you know, uh, steel or CHRO

: 1173

00:41:21,549 --> 00:41:24,759

or something like that And so they

would shave off as the pistons

: 1174

00:41:24,759 --> 00:41:26,739

fired in, in the, the cylinders.

: 1175

00:41:26,829 --> 00:41:28,059

It would shave off tiny bits.

: 1176

00:41:28,059 --> 00:41:29,859

And that's what would, go the oil up like

: 1177

00:41:29,859 --> 00:41:30,129

that.

: 1178

00:41:30,129 --> 00:41:31,629

Well, they're titanium now.

: 1179

00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:32,739

they don't do that.

: 1180

00:41:33,653 --> 00:41:34,668

depending on the

: 1181

00:41:34,777 --> 00:41:35,867

Beck: depending on the vehicle

: 1182

00:41:36,228 --> 00:41:40,368

Dash: and whatnot I mean you could

go 10,000 miles between oil changes.

: 1183

00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:41,177

Beck: Yeah.

: 1184

00:41:41,574 --> 00:41:42,384

Dash: I, I mean, I'm not

: 1185

00:41:42,384 --> 00:41:43,194

recommending that.

: 1186

00:41:43,194 --> 00:41:45,354

I I stick to, you know.

: 1187

00:41:45,772 --> 00:41:46,312

Five to

: 1188

00:41:46,312 --> 00:41:47,482

6,000 mile.

: 1189

00:41:48,016 --> 00:41:48,526

Beck: me too.

: 1190

00:41:48,961 --> 00:41:49,771

Dash: I don't know I gotta

: 1191

00:41:49,899 --> 00:41:50,019

Beck: I

: 1192

00:41:50,251 --> 00:41:52,591

Dash: the new truck and see, even know.

: 1193

00:41:52,591 --> 00:41:52,711

what

: 1194

00:41:52,711 --> 00:41:53,461

kind of oil it takes.

: 1195

00:41:53,461 --> 00:41:53,941

I have done

: 1196

00:41:53,971 --> 00:41:56,131

hardly any digging into it Honestly.

: 1197

00:41:56,311 --> 00:42:00,141

I was, yesterday I was coming back from

Alexandria and I hit a bunch of, there's,

: 1198

00:42:00,141 --> 00:42:03,681

I was doing a bunch Of like, resurfacing

on the roads now that winter's over.

: 1199

00:42:03,937 --> 00:42:09,997

so I wound up on a gravel back road

between some corn, between some fields

: 1200

00:42:10,087 --> 00:42:13,207

and there's all these ... it's All

the roads are on grids here, But a

: 1201

00:42:13,375 --> 00:42:13,665

Beck: yeah,

: 1202

00:42:13,717 --> 00:42:14,077

Dash: just,

: 1203

00:42:14,197 --> 00:42:15,397

muddy gravel things.

: 1204

00:42:15,397 --> 00:42:15,667

And so I

: 1205

00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,857

started playing around with the

four wheel drive, which was fun.

: 1206

00:42:18,181 --> 00:42:19,441

Beck: My car has all wheel drive.

: 1207

00:42:24,789 --> 00:42:26,439

Dash: I actually had two metros.

: 1208

00:42:26,742 --> 00:42:27,582

Um, but the

: 1209

00:42:27,582 --> 00:42:30,702

second one was after

Geo had been bought by

: 1210

00:42:30,702 --> 00:42:32,592

Chevy, so it was a Chevy.

: 1211

00:42:32,652 --> 00:42:33,282

Metro.

: 1212

00:42:33,833 --> 00:42:34,703

Well, I don't know

: 1213

00:42:34,703 --> 00:42:34,733

I

: 1214

00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:35,213

don't remember if they were

: 1215

00:42:35,216 --> 00:42:35,616

Beck: I dunno,

: 1216

00:42:36,383 --> 00:42:37,823

Dash: but same car.

: 1217

00:42:38,063 --> 00:42:38,513

Beck: right?

: 1218

00:42:38,993 --> 00:42:42,163

Dash: and my dad Also same thing

my dad gave it to me after he

: 1219

00:42:42,163 --> 00:42:46,294

had put hundreds of thousands of

miles on It was also a four speed.

: 1220

00:42:46,604 --> 00:42:47,044

Beck: Yeah.

: 1221

00:42:47,384 --> 00:42:50,564

I also drove my dad's car for a

little while, the Jeep that he had

: 1222

00:42:50,564 --> 00:42:54,134

until it got destroyed, and I also

drove a car that my cousin gave

: 1223

00:42:54,134 --> 00:42:55,784

me, when my Jeep got destroyed.

: 1224

00:42:56,104 --> 00:42:58,454

That all happened when I

was down in Lucasville,

: 1225

00:42:58,565 --> 00:42:59,435

Dash: What kind of Jeep did you

: 1226

00:42:59,435 --> 00:42:59,825

have?

: 1227

00:43:00,274 --> 00:43:00,784

Beck: a Liberty?

: 1228

00:43:01,264 --> 00:43:02,434

No, a Compass.

: 1229

00:43:02,554 --> 00:43:03,664

A Jump a Compass

: 1230

00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:04,060

Dash: okay.

: 1231

00:43:04,369 --> 00:43:11,269

I had a Patriot which is just a a

Dodge Charger in Jeep's clothing

: 1232

00:43:11,673 --> 00:43:14,913

Beck: There are so many Jeeps here

because there's a Jeep factory.

: 1233

00:43:15,448 --> 00:43:18,983

we were taught, we were- yesterday

we went to Five Guys, and we were

: 1234

00:43:19,043 --> 00:43:21,773

waiting to pull out of traffic, and

Shannon was like, "Jeep, Jeep, Jeep,

: 1235

00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:24,293

Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, Jeep."

: 1236

00:43:24,773 --> 00:43:25,823

They were everywhere.

: 1237

00:43:26,253 --> 00:43:28,588

Dash: Here everybody

drives gigantic trucks

: 1238

00:43:28,983 --> 00:43:29,223

Beck: Yeah.

: 1239

00:43:29,515 --> 00:43:33,235

Dash: On Mother's Day it was like a

fucking truck convention on my street

: 1240

00:43:34,872 --> 00:43:38,792

And they're all everybody in the in a

family will have the same kind It's really

: 1241

00:43:38,975 --> 00:43:39,215

Beck: Yeah.

: 1242

00:43:39,935 --> 00:43:42,125

Dash: you want Did you bring

a down of Appalachian interest

: 1243

00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,139

Beck: I did.

: 1244

00:43:43,139 --> 00:43:47,279

I brought a very historic noun this

week, one I'm not going to do justice.

: 1245

00:43:47,339 --> 00:43:50,309

I'm sure you're gonna be able to

add plenty to it, but one that

: 1246

00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:52,049

we need to be mentioning anyway.

: 1247

00:43:52,514 --> 00:43:56,059

This week's noun of Appalachian

interest is Maan, West Virginia,

: 1248

00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:59,119

which is one of those places where

you can walk down the street and feel

: 1249

00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,159

like the past is not the past at all.

: 1250

00:44:01,369 --> 00:44:03,439

It's still standing there

with its arms crossed, waiting

: 1251

00:44:03,439 --> 00:44:04,759

for you to ask what happened.

: 1252

00:44:05,269 --> 00:44:08,749

So mate one is a small town in Mingo

County, tucked along the Tug Fork

: 1253

00:44:08,749 --> 00:44:10,489

River, right near the Kentucky line.

: 1254

00:44:10,819 --> 00:44:14,029

If you've never been there, picture

railroad tracks, old brick buildings,

: 1255

00:44:14,029 --> 00:44:17,959

mountains close enough to make the sky

feel smaller, and a town that looks quiet

: 1256

00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:19,514

until you learn what went down there.

: 1257

00:44:20,429 --> 00:44:24,354

In: 1920

Virginia were trying to unionize.

: 1258

00:44:24,594 --> 00:44:27,841

The coal companies did not care

for that one bit Because workers

: 1259

00:44:27,841 --> 00:44:30,961

asking for rights had never been a

favorite hobby of Richmond in suits.

: 1260

00:44:31,291 --> 00:44:34,176

So the companies bought in the

Baldwin- Felt agents, who were

: 1261

00:44:34,176 --> 00:44:37,626

basically private detectives hired

to keep minors in line and evict

: 1262

00:44:37,626 --> 00:44:39,426

families from company owned houses.

: 1263

00:44:39,576 --> 00:44:41,886

And that's where Sid Hatfield comes in.

: 1264

00:44:41,916 --> 00:44:44,136

Not that Sid Hatfield,

a different Hatfield.

: 1265

00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:46,806

Although, in this part of the world,

you're never more than three turns

: 1266

00:44:46,806 --> 00:44:49,926

away from a Hatfield, a McCoy, or

somebody's cousin who knows both.

: 1267

00:44:50,556 --> 00:44:53,136

Sid was the police chief in

Matewan, and instead of siding

: 1268

00:44:53,136 --> 00:44:55,776

with the coal company, he stood

with the miners and their families.

: 1269

00:44:56,136 --> 00:45:00,486

th,: 1920

the town boiled over into what became

: 1270

00:45:00,486 --> 00:45:02,196

known as the Battle of Mait One.

: 1271

00:45:02,676 --> 00:45:05,076

There was a shootout right

there in town, and people died.

: 1272

00:45:05,376 --> 00:45:09,006

The mayor, the miners, the, and the

Baldwin Fels agents were all caught in it.

: 1273

00:45:09,246 --> 00:45:11,736

It was not some distant,

tidy, textbook event.

: 1274

00:45:11,736 --> 00:45:15,216

It was people's homes, people's

jobs, people's children, and people

: 1275

00:45:15,216 --> 00:45:18,036

trying to decide how much they

were willing to risk for dignity.

: 1276

00:45:18,126 --> 00:45:20,436

And that's what makes Maan so interesting.

: 1277

00:45:20,436 --> 00:45:23,856

It reminds you that Appalachian history

is not just quilts and biscuits and

: 1278

00:45:23,856 --> 00:45:25,626

somebody's mammal yelling from the porch.

: 1279

00:45:25,836 --> 00:45:27,996

I mean, we have those, too,

and thank God for them,

: 1280

00:45:28,206 --> 00:45:28,386

But

: 1281

00:45:28,386 --> 00:45:30,426

Appalachia is also union organizing.

: 1282

00:45:30,426 --> 00:45:31,296

It's resistance.

: 1283

00:45:31,296 --> 00:45:33,426

It's people with very little

money standing up to people

: 1284

00:45:33,426 --> 00:45:34,566

with a whole lot of power.

: 1285

00:45:35,016 --> 00:45:38,346

Today, mate one has the West Virginia

Mine Wars Museum, and if you go,

: 1286

00:45:38,526 --> 00:45:41,376

you can learn about the miners, the

families, the company towns, and

: 1287

00:45:41,376 --> 00:45:42,936

the fight for basic labor rights.

: 1288

00:45:43,176 --> 00:45:45,486

It's the kind of history that makes

you look at a paycheck, a work

: 1289

00:45:45,486 --> 00:45:48,756

schedule, or a boss and says, "We're

all family in here," and think,

: 1290

00:45:48,756 --> 00:45:50,046

"Hmm, are we, though?"

: 1291

00:45:50,603 --> 00:45:53,483

I think that's why Ma one matters

for Queer Next too, because queer

: 1292

00:45:53,483 --> 00:45:56,123

Appalachian history and labor

history have something in common.

: 1293

00:45:56,483 --> 00:45:59,333

Both are about people being told

to stay quiet, stay grateful,

: 1294

00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:00,383

and stay in their place.

: 1295

00:46:00,413 --> 00:46:00,803

and

: 1296

00:46:00,803 --> 00:46:02,843

both are about people

eventually saying, "Nope.

: 1297

00:46:02,873 --> 00:46:03,803

I don't believe I will."

: 1298

00:46:04,253 --> 00:46:04,523

So, if

: 1299

00:46:04,523 --> 00:46:06,767

you ever find yourself in ma

one, Don't treat it like a

: 1300

00:46:06,767 --> 00:46:08,117

place you just passed through.

: 1301

00:46:08,357 --> 00:46:09,017

Look around.

: 1302

00:46:09,047 --> 00:46:09,887

Read the signs.

: 1303

00:46:09,887 --> 00:46:10,877

Visit the museum.

: 1304

00:46:11,087 --> 00:46:13,727

Stand there for a minute and remember

that this little town helped tell

: 1305

00:46:13,727 --> 00:46:15,377

a much bigger story about workers,

: 1306

00:46:15,587 --> 00:46:18,467

power, and what people will do

when they have finally had enough.

: 1307

00:46:18,767 --> 00:46:19,007

mate.

: 1308

00:46:19,007 --> 00:46:21,077

One may be small, but it is not minor.

: 1309

00:46:21,437 --> 00:46:23,447

that has been your noun of

Appalachian Interest for this

: 1310

00:46:23,447 --> 00:46:26,890

week, history with mountains around

it, coal dust on its boots, and

: 1311

00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:29,280

absolutely no patience for nonsense.

: 1312

00:46:32,214 --> 00:46:34,794

Dash: Sid Hatfield actually

was one of those Hatfields

: 1313

00:46:35,174 --> 00:46:35,654

Beck: Oh, was he?

: 1314

00:46:36,274 --> 00:46:39,224

Dash: Yeah He was cousin for Devil Ants.

: 1315

00:46:39,624 --> 00:46:41,514

Beck: My best friend is a, is a Hatfield.

: 1316

00:46:41,984 --> 00:46:44,714

It is not her last name, but that she's

related to that part of the family.

: 1317

00:46:45,074 --> 00:46:45,344

Yeah.

: 1318

00:46:46,179 --> 00:46:50,259

Dash: Sid Hatfield was one of the

Hatfields that like, kind of broke

: 1319

00:46:50,259 --> 00:46:53,139

ranks and it's it's difficult to say

: 1320

00:46:53,139 --> 00:46:54,399

in in such a place

: 1321

00:46:54,399 --> 00:46:58,149

and time, but like you would consider him

to be more on the right side of history

: 1322

00:46:58,419 --> 00:47:01,028

than someone like Devil Ants, who was very

: 1323

00:47:01,028 --> 00:47:02,227

much like pro confederate.

: 1324

00:47:02,301 --> 00:47:02,701

Beck: Right.

: 1325

00:47:03,138 --> 00:47:06,157

Dash: do you follow Apple Shop any social

: 1326

00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:06,907

media?

: 1327

00:47:07,427 --> 00:47:08,147

you know what I'm talking

: 1328

00:47:08,321 --> 00:47:09,221

Beck: Doesn't sound familiar.

: 1329

00:47:09,651 --> 00:47:09,981

No

: 1330

00:47:10,287 --> 00:47:10,877

Dash: It's

: 1331

00:47:10,917 --> 00:47:13,527

I didn't really know about 'em either

until we started doing this show and I

: 1332

00:47:13,527 --> 00:47:18,218

was just looking for, you know people

other kind of like progressive left

: 1333

00:47:18,218 --> 00:47:22,298

it type, things in

Appalachia, but they, uh, do.

: 1334

00:47:22,677 --> 00:47:22,802

a

: 1335

00:47:22,802 --> 00:47:23,972

lot of history

: 1336

00:47:23,972 --> 00:47:25,082

on the

: 1337

00:47:25,165 --> 00:47:30,105

Cold Wars, on the labor history

of Appalachia, they have a

: 1338

00:47:30,105 --> 00:47:32,295

podcast called APO Latcha.

: 1339

00:47:33,258 --> 00:47:34,248

I don't know how they say it

: 1340

00:47:34,308 --> 00:47:35,658

I always say it in my head.

: 1341

00:47:35,658 --> 00:47:36,438

I have to pronounce

: 1342

00:47:36,438 --> 00:47:36,648

it

: 1343

00:47:36,708 --> 00:47:36,918

or it.

: 1344

00:47:36,918 --> 00:47:37,938

won't make sense, but

: 1345

00:47:38,002 --> 00:47:39,322

Beck: I, I think I do know that.

: 1346

00:47:39,752 --> 00:47:40,142

Dash: Yeah.

: 1347

00:47:40,195 --> 00:47:40,915

Beck: I do know that.

: 1348

00:47:41,102 --> 00:47:42,482

Dash: it is run by Apple Shop

: 1349

00:47:42,748 --> 00:47:45,838

Um, all actually, uh, WMMT where

: 1350

00:47:45,838 --> 00:47:46,975

we, our,

: 1351

00:47:46,975 --> 00:47:51,595

uh, nouns and sponsors air on Saturdays.

: 1352

00:47:51,825 --> 00:47:53,459

they're associated with Apple Shop.

: 1353

00:47:53,509 --> 00:47:53,749

Beck: no.

: 1354

00:47:54,189 --> 00:47:57,022

Dash: But there's also, have

you seen the movie made one?

: 1355

00:47:57,540 --> 00:47:58,640

Beck: Mm, No.

: 1356

00:47:59,004 --> 00:47:59,184

Dash: I hadn't

: 1357

00:47:59,184 --> 00:47:59,514

Heard about

: 1358

00:47:59,514 --> 00:48:00,324

it until I took,

: 1359

00:48:00,414 --> 00:48:03,654

uh, Cynthia Barron's course on

: 1360

00:48:04,794 --> 00:48:05,334

theory

: 1361

00:48:05,334 --> 00:48:07,096

which I don't think you were in

: 1362

00:48:07,434 --> 00:48:09,359

Beck: No, I didn't take any film classes.

: 1363

00:48:09,636 --> 00:48:09,936

Dash: Okay

: 1364

00:48:10,436 --> 00:48:11,346

I I had

: 1365

00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:12,096

never heard of it and

: 1366

00:48:12,134 --> 00:48:12,224

Beck: I

: 1367

00:48:12,224 --> 00:48:13,499

had never heard of it, and I was like,

: 1368

00:48:13,656 --> 00:48:13,866

Dash: it's

: 1369

00:48:13,889 --> 00:48:14,179

Beck: "Okay,

: 1370

00:48:14,286 --> 00:48:16,324

Dash: sales film, it is about that.

: 1371

00:48:16,324 --> 00:48:16,534

It's

: 1372

00:48:16,534 --> 00:48:19,444

kind of, it's a, it's about the

: 1373

00:48:19,606 --> 00:48:19,756

the

: 1374

00:48:19,756 --> 00:48:22,726

time leading up to the Cold

Wars, specifically in Maan.

: 1375

00:48:23,437 --> 00:48:23,987

and

: 1376

00:48:24,088 --> 00:48:25,088

what that, how that

: 1377

00:48:25,088 --> 00:48:26,251

movement took shape.

: 1378

00:48:26,276 --> 00:48:29,266

There's some interesting

sub store subplots in it.

: 1379

00:48:29,326 --> 00:48:30,626

Uh, for instance around

: 1380

00:48:30,626 --> 00:48:31,016

like

: 1381

00:48:31,076 --> 00:48:35,606

the racial makeup and racial

demo or, um, dynamics of that.

: 1382

00:48:35,666 --> 00:48:36,686

There's a character

: 1383

00:48:36,806 --> 00:48:38,690

played by James Earl Jones who

: 1384

00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:42,836

wants to join the, the

miners and their meetings.

: 1385

00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:44,846

And so there's this whole discussion

: 1386

00:48:44,846 --> 00:48:47,456

of like, the people who wanna

keep him out because he's black.

: 1387

00:48:47,624 --> 00:48:48,434

Very similar to the

: 1388

00:48:48,434 --> 00:48:50,564

discussions in the

queer, in queer feminist

: 1389

00:48:50,564 --> 00:48:52,274

history of like lavender menace and stuff.

: 1390

00:48:52,274 --> 00:48:52,574

Like

: 1391

00:48:52,984 --> 00:48:53,374

do

: 1392

00:48:53,374 --> 00:48:57,514

you, do you contribute or

detract from our mission here?

: 1393

00:48:57,814 --> 00:48:58,384

And then

: 1394

00:48:58,462 --> 00:48:58,812

Beck: Right

: 1395

00:48:59,254 --> 00:49:00,454

Dash: the other folks who were like,

: 1396

00:49:00,507 --> 00:49:01,377

Beck: folks were like,

: 1397

00:49:01,384 --> 00:49:02,254

Dash: He's a minor.

: 1398

00:49:02,627 --> 00:49:06,257

I would say that we should review it

but it might not be very fun don't know

: 1399

00:49:06,637 --> 00:49:08,597

Beck: need to pick our next

movie that we're gonna review.

: 1400

00:49:08,954 --> 00:49:09,914

Dash: I was thinking about that this

: 1401

00:49:09,914 --> 00:49:10,304

morning.

: 1402

00:49:10,304 --> 00:49:11,264

It would be fun if

: 1403

00:49:11,264 --> 00:49:12,431

we could find

: 1404

00:49:12,431 --> 00:49:14,290

one that we had both not seen,

: 1405

00:49:14,697 --> 00:49:15,357

but that's also

: 1406

00:49:15,357 --> 00:49:19,510

like, really hard because how do you find

a movie that know, like you haven't seen?

: 1407

00:49:19,664 --> 00:49:19,937

Beck: Right.

: 1408

00:49:20,444 --> 00:49:21,434

Dash: We need Listener help.

: 1409

00:49:21,434 --> 00:49:26,564

Maybe I'll post something on our

social media ask people comment, um, on

: 1410

00:49:27,277 --> 00:49:28,897

or YouTube or wherever you listen if

: 1411

00:49:28,897 --> 00:49:28,987

you

: 1412

00:49:28,987 --> 00:49:33,802

can think of a movie that um, would be

funny, would be fun for to hear our take

: 1413

00:49:33,802 --> 00:49:38,074

on and, um, we'll try to find something

that would neither of us has seen.

: 1414

00:49:38,074 --> 00:49:39,334

Or we could do that thing like we

: 1415

00:49:39,334 --> 00:49:43,384

did the first time where we pick

one that like I pick one that you

: 1416

00:49:43,384 --> 00:49:43,534

haven't

: 1417

00:49:43,534 --> 00:49:44,224

seen and you pick one.

: 1418

00:49:44,224 --> 00:49:44,854

I haven't seen.

: 1419

00:49:45,187 --> 00:49:46,207

Beck: That can be fun again.

: 1420

00:49:46,481 --> 00:49:48,491

I still can't believe you

hadn't seen Muriel's Wedding.

: 1421

00:49:48,843 --> 00:49:49,713

Dash: I couldn't believe it either

: 1422

00:49:49,856 --> 00:49:49,976

Beck: I,

: 1423

00:49:49,983 --> 00:49:50,673

Dash: when I saw it I was

: 1424

00:49:50,673 --> 00:49:52,346

like, oh, where has this been?

: 1425

00:49:53,231 --> 00:49:54,011

One of the things I talked

: 1426

00:49:54,011 --> 00:49:56,141

about with them at the

interview was like they

: 1427

00:49:56,411 --> 00:49:56,861

they might

: 1428

00:49:56,861 --> 00:49:58,031

want to add some film

: 1429

00:49:58,031 --> 00:50:00,731

courses, but they've never

had anybody, um, like,

: 1430

00:50:01,031 --> 00:50:02,261

credentialed to teach them.

: 1431

00:50:02,293 --> 00:50:03,433

so I started thinking about

: 1432

00:50:03,433 --> 00:50:03,523

the

: 1433

00:50:03,523 --> 00:50:03,843

kind of

: 1434

00:50:03,938 --> 00:50:07,598

stuff I usually teach in

whatever film class I'm teaching.

: 1435

00:50:08,288 --> 00:50:09,878

Have you seen Paris is Burning?

: 1436

00:50:10,323 --> 00:50:11,133

Beck: No, I haven't.

: 1437

00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:13,348

That's on my to-do list,

but no, I've not seen it.

: 1438

00:50:13,908 --> 00:50:15,108

Dash: it's worth seeing

: 1439

00:50:15,108 --> 00:50:19,297

because it will make a lot of other media

that, references it or draws from it.

: 1440

00:50:19,297 --> 00:50:20,051

Makes sense.

: 1441

00:50:20,271 --> 00:50:22,941

but I I've seen it a million

times I've I've re-watch it

: 1442

00:50:22,941 --> 00:50:25,671

every year actually

because I always teach it.

: 1443

00:50:25,701 --> 00:50:26,001

Whether I'm

: 1444

00:50:26,001 --> 00:50:27,411

teaching a class or not, I I

: 1445

00:50:27,411 --> 00:50:27,711

show

: 1446

00:50:27,711 --> 00:50:27,891

it

: 1447

00:50:27,891 --> 00:50:28,341

and do a

: 1448

00:50:28,341 --> 00:50:30,111

critical, um, discussion of it.

: 1449

00:50:30,597 --> 00:50:31,467

I always, I also

: 1450

00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:31,700

Beck: I,

: 1451

00:50:31,707 --> 00:50:31,827

Dash: to

: 1452

00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:32,100

Beck: I

: 1453

00:50:32,457 --> 00:50:33,480

Dash: um, movies and like

: 1454

00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,150

assign them in pairs to

students that like either

: 1455

00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:37,590

are similar or

: 1456

00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:40,684

each are doing something

similar or they're, maybe

: 1457

00:50:40,684 --> 00:50:41,914

they're opposites of each other.

: 1458

00:50:42,214 --> 00:50:45,994

Like, I've done White Zombie and I Walked

With a Zombie for classic horror films.

: 1459

00:50:46,354 --> 00:50:48,904

And what's really interesting

about that is that

: 1460

00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:56,633

like white zombie is slash three two,

um, and it's super imperialist, racist,

: 1461

00:50:56,633 --> 00:50:57,927

you know, white, um,

: 1462

00:50:58,233 --> 00:51:02,413

anxiety, uh, great replacement

theory, all that shit, right?

: 1463

00:51:02,863 --> 00:51:04,093

And then I Walked With a

: 1464

00:51:04,093 --> 00:51:07,573

Zombie Is set in, I Think It's

: 1465

00:51:07,573 --> 00:51:08,173

Cuba.

: 1466

00:51:08,233 --> 00:51:08,383

It's

: 1467

00:51:08,383 --> 00:51:09,163

in the Caribbean somewhere.

: 1468

00:51:09,163 --> 00:51:12,103

I just forget which country a plantation.

: 1469

00:51:12,523 --> 00:51:13,093

and

: 1470

00:51:13,093 --> 00:51:15,864

it's a more like nuanced look at

: 1471

00:51:16,124 --> 00:51:16,424

how the

: 1472

00:51:16,424 --> 00:51:16,664

myth

: 1473

00:51:16,664 --> 00:51:16,754

of

: 1474

00:51:16,754 --> 00:51:16,844

the

: 1475

00:51:16,844 --> 00:51:18,584

zombie actually works in that

: 1476

00:51:18,614 --> 00:51:22,333

It's, Haiti probably makes more

sense in that culture, but it's also

: 1477

00:51:23,023 --> 00:51:24,013

adaptation

: 1478

00:51:24,193 --> 00:51:25,693

of wide oc

: 1479

00:51:25,999 --> 00:51:26,839

Beck: I don't know that one either.

: 1480

00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,338

Dash: White Sarga OC is, we're

getting into Intertextuality

: 1481

00:51:31,338 --> 00:51:33,370

here, but like, um, it's kind of,

: 1482

00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:33,550

a,

: 1483

00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,060

a

: 1484

00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:34,199

Beck: of.

: 1485

00:51:34,204 --> 00:51:35,527

Dash: prequel to

: 1486

00:51:35,527 --> 00:51:36,367

Jane Air

: 1487

00:51:36,532 --> 00:51:36,822

Beck: Okay.

: 1488

00:51:37,467 --> 00:51:41,991

Dash: it's you know, the woman in the

attic, his first wife and Grace Pool and

: 1489

00:51:41,991 --> 00:51:42,561

all that.

: 1490

00:51:42,591 --> 00:51:45,365

It's a, it's how did they come to be?

: 1491

00:51:45,524 --> 00:51:46,064

how they are?

: 1492

00:51:46,094 --> 00:51:46,424

right.

: 1493

00:51:46,424 --> 00:51:47,564

What happened to his wife?

: 1494

00:51:47,564 --> 00:51:47,804

Why is

: 1495

00:51:47,804 --> 00:51:48,944

she locked in the attic?

: 1496

00:51:49,298 --> 00:51:50,308

it that

: 1497

00:51:50,308 --> 00:51:52,678

in the Caribbean and then they

: 1498

00:51:52,738 --> 00:51:53,598

come to

: 1499

00:51:53,736 --> 00:51:55,146

wherever the fuck Jane Air takes place.

: 1500

00:51:55,146 --> 00:51:55,596

It's been forever

: 1501

00:51:55,596 --> 00:51:56,256

since I read that.

: 1502

00:51:56,636 --> 00:51:57,626

And so I walked with the

: 1503

00:51:57,626 --> 00:51:58,226

zombie.

: 1504

00:51:59,176 --> 00:52:04,142

this like I uh, speculative fiction

as they called it at the time

: 1505

00:52:04,615 --> 00:52:07,495

of what happened to her,

Like why she went crazy?

: 1506

00:52:07,495 --> 00:52:10,585

and needed to, why he locked

her Rochester locked her in the

: 1507

00:52:10,675 --> 00:52:12,055

attic, It's a

: 1508

00:52:12,055 --> 00:52:12,655

zombie movie.

: 1509

00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:13,345

I dunno.

: 1510

00:52:13,525 --> 00:52:13,915

Really

: 1511

00:52:13,915 --> 00:52:15,175

fascinating movie actually.

: 1512

00:52:20,538 --> 00:52:21,438

But another one I

: 1513

00:52:21,438 --> 00:52:23,688

would do, I would like

pair that I would teach

: 1514

00:52:23,688 --> 00:52:24,018

together

: 1515

00:52:24,018 --> 00:52:24,708

is Two Wong Fu.

: 1516

00:52:24,708 --> 00:52:25,368

Thanks for everything.

: 1517

00:52:25,368 --> 00:52:26,088

Julie Newmar

: 1518

00:52:26,118 --> 00:52:28,213

and Priscilla Queen of the Desert

: 1519

00:52:28,628 --> 00:52:33,618

Beck: I've seen that one once a long time

ago, but I've seen Julie Numar a dozen,

: 1520

00:52:34,038 --> 00:52:34,998

two dozen times.

: 1521

00:52:35,343 --> 00:52:35,633

Yeah.

: 1522

00:52:36,343 --> 00:52:39,773

Dash: I thought about that movie because

I said something a few episodes back

: 1523

00:52:39,773 --> 00:52:43,671

about like, we don't often see

Helpful a redneck trope, you

: 1524

00:52:43,671 --> 00:52:46,191

expect that someone's gonna be...

: 1525

00:52:46,601 --> 00:52:48,671

You're getting into Deliverance,

and they're actually a

: 1526

00:52:48,671 --> 00:52:50,321

nuanced character that is...

: 1527

00:52:50,621 --> 00:52:50,981

And,

: 1528

00:52:51,011 --> 00:52:52,151

uh, two two Wong Fu is

: 1529

00:52:52,151 --> 00:52:52,241

an

: 1530

00:52:52,241 --> 00:52:53,531

example of that happening.

: 1531

00:52:53,711 --> 00:52:59,311

Like the town of Yokels is more how

they're described than Cause it's

: 1532

00:52:59,311 --> 00:52:59,641

more of an

: 1533

00:52:59,641 --> 00:53:00,811

Oklahoma situation, right?

: 1534

00:53:00,811 --> 00:53:02,851

They're somewhere in the south or Midwest.

: 1535

00:53:03,577 --> 00:53:04,387

But still that's,

: 1536

00:53:04,515 --> 00:53:05,015

Beck: But still,

: 1537

00:53:05,077 --> 00:53:05,137

Dash: of

: 1538

00:53:05,255 --> 00:53:05,682

Beck: that's an

: 1539

00:53:05,941 --> 00:53:07,771

Dash: sucker Channing's

character in particular,

: 1540

00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:09,325

Beck: She's one of my favorite actresses.

: 1541

00:53:09,966 --> 00:53:10,356

Dash: Really

: 1542

00:53:10,871 --> 00:53:11,201

Beck: Yeah.

: 1543

00:53:11,651 --> 00:53:13,541

I liked most of things that she's been in

: 1544

00:53:13,856 --> 00:53:15,386

Dash: talking about movies

that are coming out.

: 1545

00:53:15,851 --> 00:53:16,601

First of all, it's,

: 1546

00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:17,250

Beck: First of all,

: 1547

00:53:17,471 --> 00:53:19,841

Dash: all the summer horror movies

are coming out which I'm not gonna

: 1548

00:53:20,161 --> 00:53:22,081

I mean I'll tell you when I see

them but I'm not gonna expect

: 1549

00:53:22,081 --> 00:53:22,681

you to see them.

: 1550

00:53:22,855 --> 00:53:24,505

there are some movies coming out that

: 1551

00:53:24,505 --> 00:53:28,195

are exciting one of which is

the sequel to Practical Magic

: 1552

00:53:28,675 --> 00:53:35,395

Beck: I just read Practical Magic the

book um, and I saw the, uh, trailer for

: 1553

00:53:35,395 --> 00:53:38,855

it, and it's basically the second half

of the book from what I can understand.

: 1554

00:53:38,975 --> 00:53:39,275

So...

: 1555

00:53:39,437 --> 00:53:39,657

Dash: Oh,

: 1556

00:53:40,238 --> 00:53:41,953

cool I didn't read the book

: 1557

00:53:42,478 --> 00:53:45,088

Beck: I listened to it but I

on audio book, but same thing.

: 1558

00:53:45,353 --> 00:53:46,733

audio books are, are reading.

: 1559

00:53:47,173 --> 00:53:47,443

Yeah.

: 1560

00:53:47,878 --> 00:53:49,048

There's a big debate about that.

: 1561

00:53:49,048 --> 00:53:50,878

People say that audio books

aren't reading because you're not

: 1562

00:53:50,878 --> 00:53:52,198

actually looking at the words.

: 1563

00:53:52,369 --> 00:53:52,579

Dash: I

: 1564

00:53:52,579 --> 00:53:53,113

can't

: 1565

00:53:53,739 --> 00:53:56,044

Beck: in the past six months,

I've listened to like, 10 books.

: 1566

00:53:56,104 --> 00:53:58,264

So, you know, I can tell

you what they're about.

: 1567

00:53:58,264 --> 00:53:59,224

I can tell you main themes.

: 1568

00:53:59,224 --> 00:54:00,184

I can tell you characters.

: 1569

00:54:00,184 --> 00:54:01,234

I can tell you all those things.

: 1570

00:54:01,234 --> 00:54:02,374

That's the same as reading.

: 1571

00:54:02,925 --> 00:54:04,055

Dash: These sort of purity

: 1572

00:54:04,055 --> 00:54:04,535

tests are

: 1573

00:54:04,535 --> 00:54:06,095

so fucking tired.

: 1574

00:54:07,299 --> 00:54:08,169

the only thing that

: 1575

00:54:08,169 --> 00:54:09,699

matters is whether you understood it.

: 1576

00:54:09,729 --> 00:54:11,139

So if I'm trying to...

: 1577

00:54:11,379 --> 00:54:12,249

I'm not gonna have

: 1578

00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:13,149

Darida or

: 1579

00:54:13,149 --> 00:54:14,439

Chris jva read to me,

: 1580

00:54:14,439 --> 00:54:16,209

because I would be pausing

: 1581

00:54:16,209 --> 00:54:18,579

it every other sentence and

trying to go like, okay, what

: 1582

00:54:18,579 --> 00:54:19,749

the fuck were they talking about?

: 1583

00:54:19,913 --> 00:54:21,983

but a novel, yeah,

: 1584

00:54:22,163 --> 00:54:23,003

let me listen to it.

: 1585

00:54:23,003 --> 00:54:23,663

It's more likely

: 1586

00:54:23,772 --> 00:54:24,062

Beck: Yeah.

: 1587

00:54:24,173 --> 00:54:26,423

Dash: I'm not gonna sit and

read a novel because I'm not

: 1588

00:54:26,612 --> 00:54:26,902

Beck: Yeah.

: 1589

00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:27,713

Dash: good at reading,

: 1590

00:54:27,713 --> 00:54:28,043

right?

: 1591

00:54:28,043 --> 00:54:29,603

Like I'm I'm dyslexic.

: 1592

00:54:29,783 --> 00:54:30,803

I read out of order.

: 1593

00:54:31,103 --> 00:54:35,363

I still have to pause and, and like

let my brain, it's like I'll look at

: 1594

00:54:35,363 --> 00:54:35,753

it and

: 1595

00:54:35,753 --> 00:54:35,933

all

: 1596

00:54:35,933 --> 00:54:38,393

the letters are kind of

blown apart and I have

: 1597

00:54:38,393 --> 00:54:41,063

to stop and like look into the of my brain

: 1598

00:54:41,093 --> 00:54:42,473

where they assemble themselves

: 1599

00:54:42,473 --> 00:54:42,743

into a

: 1600

00:54:42,743 --> 00:54:43,523

paragraph.

: 1601

00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:43,980

it

: 1602

00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:45,975

takes me a long time to read shit I

: 1603

00:54:46,178 --> 00:54:46,538

Beck: Yeah.

: 1604

00:54:46,665 --> 00:54:47,175

Dash: a lot.

: 1605

00:54:47,175 --> 00:54:50,025

but like, I don't have a

ton of time these days.

: 1606

00:54:50,223 --> 00:54:51,873

Beck: that's why I do

it in the car, you know.

: 1607

00:54:51,951 --> 00:54:54,795

I have lots of free time in the

car, nothing else I'm doing.

: 1608

00:54:54,855 --> 00:54:57,495

And like I said, I've listened to

probably 10 books in the last six

: 1609

00:54:57,495 --> 00:55:00,975

months, which is 10 more books than

I was able to get to last year.

: 1610

00:55:01,165 --> 00:55:05,595

You know, so it has really increased

my, my consumption of, of media,

: 1611

00:55:05,595 --> 00:55:09,375

which I really appreciate, that isn't

TV or, or that kind of thing, so.

: 1612

00:55:09,945 --> 00:55:13,755

Hoopla and Spotify has almost every book

you can imagine between the two of 'em.

: 1613

00:55:14,075 --> 00:55:14,365

Dash: Yeah

: 1614

00:55:14,955 --> 00:55:19,349

Beck: And you get a like, 12 free hours

a month of Spotify Audio books Might be

: 1615

00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:23,319

more than that, but you so many hours

a month of, of audio books included.

: 1616

00:55:23,794 --> 00:55:25,774

Dash: Oh shit So it's not coming out for

: 1617

00:55:25,787 --> 00:55:26,127

Beck: So it

: 1618

00:55:26,134 --> 00:55:26,644

Dash: time, but

: 1619

00:55:26,644 --> 00:55:27,934

there's a a movie

: 1620

00:55:27,994 --> 00:55:32,845

I want us to review and

it is a scary movie, but.

: 1621

00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:38,210

It is a lesbian scary movie It's

it's, it's gonna be one of a kind.

: 1622

00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:40,790

We are there's not been a movie like this.

: 1623

00:55:41,268 --> 00:55:43,720

It's doing things to a genre.

: 1624

00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:46,930

So an established genre

of like the sleepaway camp

: 1625

00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:48,280

type of thing,

: 1626

00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:48,640

And

: 1627

00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:49,630

it's, it's lesbian.

: 1628

00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:50,560

it's called

: 1629

00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:53,500

Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

: 1630

00:55:54,058 --> 00:55:54,268

it

: 1631

00:55:54,268 --> 00:55:55,498

stars what's her

: 1632

00:55:55,567 --> 00:55:57,142

Beck: Roll, rolls right off the tongue

: 1633

00:55:57,148 --> 00:55:57,838

... Dash: Yeah, doesn't it?

: 1634

00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:03,147

Hannah n Binder, NI don't know

how to pronounce her name.

: 1635

00:56:03,327 --> 00:56:04,287

I'm not super familiar with

: 1636

00:56:04,347 --> 00:56:04,887

because I don't watch

: 1637

00:56:04,887 --> 00:56:05,367

hacks.

: 1638

00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:11,476

and, uh, Jillian Anderson, who

I would take a bullet for, and,

: 1639

00:56:11,476 --> 00:56:12,158

so it's like a

: 1640

00:56:12,158 --> 00:56:15,617

satire, queer satire of Eighties

: 1641

00:56:15,677 --> 00:56:18,707

and nineties genre of

sleepaway camp, slasher

: 1642

00:56:18,707 --> 00:56:20,417

film, and it's made

: 1643

00:56:20,417 --> 00:56:23,134

by Jane Scho, who is, bro.

: 1644

00:56:23,424 --> 00:56:26,808

Scho, I'm probably saying

that wrong, but, they made

: 1645

00:56:27,058 --> 00:56:28,978

We're All Going to the World's Fair and

: 1646

00:56:28,978 --> 00:56:30,028

I saw the TV glow.

: 1647

00:56:30,503 --> 00:56:31,823

or are you familiar with either of Those

: 1648

00:56:31,936 --> 00:56:32,566

Beck: No,

: 1649

00:56:32,753 --> 00:56:34,111

Dash: Mm, So

: 1650

00:56:34,255 --> 00:56:36,505

Beck: I do not have my

finger on the pulse of work.

: 1651

00:56:36,565 --> 00:56:36,985

so.

: 1652

00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:39,050

Dash: well I'm recon

: 1653

00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:40,520

we should, maybe we should watch,

: 1654

00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:41,060

I, uh,

: 1655

00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:44,420

I saw the TV glow because people, multiple

: 1656

00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:49,156

people have made the assumption

that I will have seen it, I have it.

: 1657

00:56:49,246 --> 00:56:53,933

but I can't, I haven't been able

to, to push play on it because.

: 1658

00:56:54,432 --> 00:56:55,452

my worry is that

: 1659

00:56:55,452 --> 00:56:56,412

it's going to, that

: 1660

00:56:56,412 --> 00:56:58,182

it's gonna do a thing where it

: 1661

00:56:58,182 --> 00:56:59,922

explains something I already know to me.

: 1662

00:57:00,243 --> 00:57:02,703

And I, I'm, I'm not as

worried about that anymore.

: 1663

00:57:02,818 --> 00:57:04,023

I, I was worried about this when

: 1664

00:57:04,023 --> 00:57:04,083

it.

: 1665

00:57:04,083 --> 00:57:07,023

came out because I'm like, oh,

everybody's saying it's a, it's a queer

: 1666

00:57:07,023 --> 00:57:08,883

allegory or it's a trans allegory.

: 1667

00:57:09,363 --> 00:57:13,323

it's, it's heavily about nostalgic

media, and I'm really sensitive to that

: 1668

00:57:13,358 --> 00:57:17,043

I don't I care about that almost more

than I care about fucking queerness

: 1669

00:57:17,043 --> 00:57:22,533

you know Like if you're gonna if

making a movie about nostalgic media

: 1670

00:57:22,794 --> 00:57:23,814

I wanted to be good.

: 1671

00:57:23,814 --> 00:57:27,164

and so I think I wasn't in a good

head space when it came out 'cause

: 1672

00:57:27,194 --> 00:57:29,054

a couple, couple, few years old now.

: 1673

00:57:29,054 --> 00:57:30,157

I think it's from: 2023

: 1674

00:57:30,657 --> 00:57:31,892

But now that I, I went

: 1675

00:57:31,892 --> 00:57:33,902

back and watched their first movie.

: 1676

00:57:33,902 --> 00:57:34,562

We're all Going to the

: 1677

00:57:34,562 --> 00:57:35,222

World's Fair.

: 1678

00:57:35,222 --> 00:57:35,582

And it's

: 1679

00:57:35,642 --> 00:57:38,462

weird and experimental and

unlike anything I've ever

: 1680

00:57:38,462 --> 00:57:39,032

seen.

: 1681

00:57:39,032 --> 00:57:43,012

And so I'm like, okay, now, now

I'm might watch, I saw the TV.

: 1682

00:57:43,592 --> 00:57:48,234

I dunno, I'll post it on social

media and ask the listeners and

: 1683

00:57:48,603 --> 00:57:52,334

y'all tell us through whatever means

you can, if that would be interesting

: 1684

00:57:52,334 --> 00:57:55,574

to you to hear us talk about that

because it would be a blind react.

: 1685

00:57:55,574 --> 00:57:56,684

Neither of us has seen it.

: 1686

00:57:57,096 --> 00:58:01,266

I don't think it's like disgusting,

scary, you know, I think it's more.

: 1687

00:58:01,266 --> 00:58:03,066

of an atmospheric horror movie.

: 1688

00:58:03,366 --> 00:58:03,966

We'll see.

: 1689

00:58:04,111 --> 00:58:07,831

But when, but the, uh,

Teenage Sex and Death at

: 1690

00:58:07,831 --> 00:58:08,761

Camp Me Asthma

: 1691

00:58:08,881 --> 00:58:10,981

is, it doesn't come out until like August.

: 1692

00:58:11,041 --> 00:58:11,941

Until August 7th.

: 1693

00:58:11,941 --> 00:58:14,571

It's not released in

theater, so it'll be a while.

: 1694

00:58:15,041 --> 00:58:15,371

Beck: Yeah.

: 1695

00:58:15,721 --> 00:58:18,631

We have a theater very close to

our house, but I'm still scared

: 1696

00:58:18,631 --> 00:58:19,891

of going to the movies, man.

: 1697

00:58:20,191 --> 00:58:22,651

Since people started getting

shot up in them, I just

: 1698

00:58:22,733 --> 00:58:22,883

Dash: yeah

: 1699

00:58:23,431 --> 00:58:24,241

Beck: It scares me.

: 1700

00:58:24,301 --> 00:58:26,281

I haven't been to the movie in

literally probably 10 years.

: 1701

00:58:27,123 --> 00:58:30,173

Dash: Wow I okay I didn't

I didn't know you had that

: 1702

00:58:30,533 --> 00:58:32,910

Fear it is claustrophobic.

: 1703

00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:33,390

I mean, you're

: 1704

00:58:34,212 --> 00:58:36,822

I do a lot of thinking about where to sit

: 1705

00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:39,829

right now my movie buddy is

my friend Elise up in Morris.

: 1706

00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:42,649

And we always, you know, talk

about, like, we're like okay,

: 1707

00:58:42,649 --> 00:58:43,909

where, where do we wanna sit?

: 1708

00:58:44,149 --> 00:58:45,911

Um, does it matter to you Right?

: 1709

00:58:45,911 --> 00:58:48,761

Like, what what are you worried

about versus what am I worried about?

: 1710

00:58:48,761 --> 00:58:52,061

Because, you know, maybe for her it's

like getting out to the bathroom cause she

: 1711

00:58:52,061 --> 00:58:53,851

has, a, some sort of stomach disease

: 1712

00:58:54,461 --> 00:58:56,981

And for me I'm like,

"Okay, where's the exit?"

: 1713

00:58:57,561 --> 00:59:00,951

yeah, I mean, it's hard to If

something like that takes root, and

: 1714

00:59:00,951 --> 00:59:04,598

it's understandable that it would,

it isn't gonna go away unless you

: 1715

00:59:04,598 --> 00:59:07,038

just going to the theater So then

: 1716

00:59:07,056 --> 00:59:07,346

Beck: Yeah.

: 1717

00:59:07,368 --> 00:59:08,718

Dash: a question of how

important is it to you?

: 1718

00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:09,008

Beck: Right.

: 1719

00:59:09,218 --> 00:59:12,038

Dash: I would give a lot to be able to

go to the theater whenever I wanted to

: 1720

00:59:12,398 --> 00:59:14,408

cause movies are very important to me

: 1721

00:59:14,828 --> 00:59:19,588

Beck: We've got an a MC multi-screen

... We've got a mall and the next exit up.

: 1722

00:59:19,588 --> 00:59:21,238

It's huge, but nobody goes to it.

: 1723

00:59:21,568 --> 00:59:22,108

So,

: 1724

00:59:22,548 --> 00:59:22,788

Dash: Yeah The

: 1725

00:59:23,036 --> 00:59:23,276

Beck: there's

: 1726

00:59:24,236 --> 00:59:24,656

... Yeah.

: 1727

00:59:25,256 --> 00:59:26,276

They do have a P.F.

: 1728

00:59:26,276 --> 00:59:29,946

Chang's and a Red Robin,

and a Barnes & and Nobles.

: 1729

00:59:29,946 --> 00:59:33,306

is still actual honest to God

Barnes & and Noble is still there.

: 1730

00:59:33,886 --> 00:59:35,026

there was a Bath & and Body Works.

: 1731

00:59:35,026 --> 00:59:38,116

It only lasted, like, two months

there, like, 'cause nobody goes there.

: 1732

00:59:38,596 --> 00:59:39,496

sh got to go once.

: 1733

00:59:39,985 --> 00:59:41,665

Dash: There's a mall in Fargo

: 1734

00:59:42,019 --> 00:59:42,369

Beck: Margo.

: 1735

00:59:42,445 --> 00:59:45,505

Dash: is doing okay Every time I go

to it there's actually people at it

: 1736

00:59:45,995 --> 00:59:46,375

Beck: Yeah.

: 1737

00:59:46,721 --> 00:59:48,821

They've also got a Dillard's

there in a JC Penney.

: 1738

00:59:49,261 --> 00:59:50,311

Dash: Is there a talbut?

: 1739

00:59:50,761 --> 00:59:51,241

Beck: I don't know.

: 1740

00:59:51,241 --> 00:59:52,231

I haven't seen that one.

: 1741

00:59:52,496 --> 00:59:56,884

Dash: There's this really incredible

movie that Claire and I watched about 10

: 1742

00:59:56,884 --> 01:00:04,884

years ago now super indie lesbian movie

called The Foxy Merkins um, which is

: 1743

01:00:04,974 --> 01:00:08,034

one of my favorite titles of movies ever

: 1744

01:00:08,518 --> 01:00:11,348

Beck: We're talking about merkins

like the, the vagina wigs, right?

: 1745

01:00:12,098 --> 01:00:12,388

Okay.

: 1746

01:00:12,488 --> 01:00:12,788

All right.

: 1747

01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:16,290

Dash: There's this there's

Actually okay we're gonna we're

: 1748

01:00:16,378 --> 01:00:16,668

Beck: Okay.

: 1749

01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:20,430

Dash: The Foxy Merkins because I haven't

seen it in forever and I just Googled it

: 1750

01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:24,640

and all these like images are are really

making me wanna watch it in, cause I've

: 1751

01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:30,070

only seen it the one time and there are

things I still quote from it But the sort

: 1752

01:00:30,070 --> 01:00:34,706

of plot or the the premise is that there's

these two women who are and they're both

: 1753

01:00:34,706 --> 01:00:39,776

sex workers and you know they each have

like their type their typical kind of

: 1754

01:00:39,776 --> 01:00:45,369

customer And the one woman is like, very

like maybe classic big bodied, butch

: 1755

01:00:45,369 --> 01:00:50,813

lesbian you know with her she's got her

short black haircut and she picks up I'm

: 1756

01:00:50,813 --> 01:00:53,813

not even gonna say middle-aged women These

are like women of a certain age is what

: 1757

01:00:53,813 --> 01:00:56,393

I would call this outside of Talbots.

: 1758

01:00:57,068 --> 01:01:08,164

she stands she just stands outside Talbots

and solicits these elderly women for sex

: 1759

01:01:08,634 --> 01:01:12,499

And and the title comes from like, at

one point they meet a merkin salesman

: 1760

01:01:12,874 --> 01:01:16,654

in a graveyard and I don't remember

why I don't remember what the movie's

: 1761

01:01:16,654 --> 01:01:21,414

actually about but I just remember it

being ridiculous and unique Where's this

: 1762

01:01:21,414 --> 01:01:26,994

playing Oh it's on Well you can rent it

from YouTube Watch movie Where can I watch

: 1763

01:01:27,168 --> 01:01:27,978

Beck: And what's it called?

: 1764

01:01:28,448 --> 01:01:29,978

Dash: The Foxy Merkins

: 1765

01:01:30,451 --> 01:01:31,531

Beck: The Foxy Merkins.

: 1766

01:01:32,441 --> 01:01:38,171

Dash: Wait is this on Netflix Nope I

wish Netflix would fucking scrub the

: 1767

01:01:38,171 --> 01:01:45,811

old broken links of movies from this is,

this is amateur Behavior, Google Play.

: 1768

01:01:46,274 --> 01:01:47,654

I don't know, maybe.

: 1769

01:01:47,684 --> 01:01:51,764

Maybe it fell off the back of a

truck somewhere I'll find it But yeah

: 1770

01:01:52,264 --> 01:01:55,204

Maybe the trailer Where's the trailer

: 1771

01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:57,030

Speaker: Foxy Americans.

: 1772

01:01:58,170 --> 01:01:58,530

Foxy.

: 1773

01:01:58,530 --> 01:02:01,295

Americans love f Foxy Americans.

: 1774

01:02:02,835 --> 01:02:05,370

Speaker 2: Oh, he's a,

he's an American salesman.

: 1775

01:02:05,370 --> 01:02:05,520

He's a

: 1776

01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:05,790

Speaker: Foxy

: 1777

01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:06,210

Speaker 3: Americans.

: 1778

01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:07,350

Speaker 2: What's a American?

: 1779

01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,910

It's a tope for your vagina.

: 1780

01:02:09,045 --> 01:02:09,335

What,

: 1781

01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:10,295

Speaker 3: what kind of cut you like?

: 1782

01:02:10,935 --> 01:02:12,060

Speaker 4: I like a little smaller,

: 1783

01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:13,860

Speaker 3: small petit vagina.

: 1784

01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,610

Yeah.

: 1785

01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,870

One of those,

: 1786

01:02:16,335 --> 01:02:17,455

Speaker 5: I, I, you should get one.

: 1787

01:02:17,465 --> 01:02:17,815

Petit

: 1788

01:02:17,975 --> 01:02:18,015

Speaker 3: em.

: 1789

01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:19,890

Speaker 5: I have a plus size vagina.

: 1790

01:02:24,405 --> 01:02:25,710

Beck: Well, that was bizarro.

: 1791

01:02:25,770 --> 01:02:26,790

Yeah, I wanna see that.

: 1792

01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:28,140

Dash: yeah, let's do it.

: 1793

01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,430

I'll, I'll see if I can...

: 1794

01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:31,200

I'll, I'll get it for us somewhere.

: 1795

01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:31,800

Listeners,

: 1796

01:02:32,244 --> 01:02:32,534

Beck: Okay.

: 1797

01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,340

Dash: see see if you

can find it somewhere.

: 1798

01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:37,560

You know, maybe it'll

appear in our Discord.

: 1799

01:02:37,785 --> 01:02:41,580

So why don't, don't you send us an email?

: 1800

01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:45,220

I know that someone already

did, and we'll just add you.

: 1801

01:02:45,250 --> 01:02:47,770

Literally just email us

at mailbag@queernecks.com

: 1802

01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:52,980

and I'll add you to our

Discord if I trust you.

: 1803

01:02:53,435 --> 01:02:55,000

So yeah, I don't know when we'll do that.

: 1804

01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,850

We'll decide off air when we're

gonna do that, and then uh, yeah.

: 1805

01:02:58,294 --> 01:03:00,124

Well, what are you doing

the rest of the day?

: 1806

01:03:00,524 --> 01:03:01,004

Beck: Writing.

: 1807

01:03:01,817 --> 01:03:02,297

Dash: Nice.

: 1808

01:03:02,727 --> 01:03:06,417

Beck: And then Shannon will be home in a

couple of hours, and we'll probably go get

: 1809

01:03:06,417 --> 01:03:07,977

something to eat or something like that.

: 1810

01:03:07,977 --> 01:03:10,557

But yeah, writing is on

my agenda for today, so...

: 1811

01:03:11,057 --> 01:03:11,387

Dash: Cool.

: 1812

01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:11,785

Beck: What about you?

: 1813

01:03:12,334 --> 01:03:16,104

Dash: I think I, I want to

take my bike out, 'cause it's,

: 1814

01:03:16,254 --> 01:03:18,084

it's actually above 70 degrees.

: 1815

01:03:18,174 --> 01:03:19,974

Well, it's not yet, but it's going to be.

: 1816

01:03:20,454 --> 01:03:25,959

And I, I'm a real just daisy about

being on the bike if it's too cold.

: 1817

01:03:25,959 --> 01:03:30,184

I just can't stand cold air rushing

over my, my face and my ears.

: 1818

01:03:30,184 --> 01:03:31,354

My sinuses hurt.

: 1819

01:03:31,684 --> 01:03:35,524

The incision on my neck hurts

if cold, if it gets too cold.

: 1820

01:03:36,574 --> 01:03:37,174

so I just...

: 1821

01:03:37,234 --> 01:03:38,374

I'm, I'm a baby.

: 1822

01:03:38,589 --> 01:03:42,179

But if it's, But I love being on

my bike when it's hot outside.

: 1823

01:03:42,609 --> 01:03:43,449

So I might do that.

: 1824

01:03:43,449 --> 01:03:46,869

I also need to clean, which I've

been needing to do for months.

: 1825

01:03:47,204 --> 01:03:49,124

Beck: Yeah, we could use

a clean in here, too.

: 1826

01:03:50,082 --> 01:03:53,922

Have you heard the I Think That I

Just Got More Gay song by 76th Street?

: 1827

01:03:54,377 --> 01:03:54,797

Dash: now.

: 1828

01:03:55,046 --> 01:03:56,741

Beck: I've got that line stuck in my head.

: 1829

01:03:56,891 --> 01:03:59,201

I think that I just got more gay.

: 1830

01:03:59,731 --> 01:04:00,901

It's really funny.

: 1831

01:04:00,901 --> 01:04:01,951

You should check it out.

: 1832

01:04:02,401 --> 01:04:06,151

The way I want her tattooed,

arms around my waist.

: 1833

01:04:06,151 --> 01:04:08,371

It's- they're a lesbian duo.

: 1834

01:04:08,686 --> 01:04:10,061

They sing lesbian music.

: 1835

01:04:10,502 --> 01:04:10,792

Dash: Okay.

: 1836

01:04:11,317 --> 01:04:12,367

Beck: so I recommend them.

: 1837

01:04:12,367 --> 01:04:15,007

76th Street, I Think

That I Just Got More Gay.

: 1838

01:04:15,307 --> 01:04:19,087

Dash: I found a YouTube channel

that is a bunch of little half hour,

: 1839

01:04:19,127 --> 01:04:26,527

histories of bands, and he has a real

appreciation for the and two thousands.

: 1840

01:04:26,922 --> 01:04:29,982

girl alternative lesbian rock type stuff.

: 1841

01:04:30,022 --> 01:04:30,322

Like I

: 1842

01:04:30,341 --> 01:04:30,631

Beck: Nice.

: 1843

01:04:30,952 --> 01:04:33,622

Dash: um, a thing about The Breeders.

: 1844

01:04:33,622 --> 01:04:35,272

I watched one about uch Salt.

: 1845

01:04:35,962 --> 01:04:41,212

didn't know that uch Salt broke

up because of rumors and constant

: 1846

01:04:41,212 --> 01:04:44,872

bullying, calling them an industry plant

because they were just so talented.

: 1847

01:04:45,182 --> 01:04:45,471

Beck: Yeah.

: 1848

01:04:46,017 --> 01:04:46,587

Wow.

: 1849

01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:47,269

Dash: criminal.

: 1850

01:04:47,479 --> 01:04:49,264

Eight Arms to Hold You is...

: 1851

01:04:49,694 --> 01:04:51,764

That might be my favorite

album of all time.

: 1852

01:04:52,224 --> 01:04:53,784

It was very formative to me.

: 1853

01:04:54,234 --> 01:04:54,984

Well, music,

: 1854

01:04:54,984 --> 01:04:58,344

I think, I think music plays a big part

in a lot of people's coming of age.

: 1855

01:04:58,839 --> 01:04:59,784

and so

: 1856

01:04:59,872 --> 01:05:00,292

Beck: And so

: 1857

01:05:00,384 --> 01:05:00,714

Dash: queer

: 1858

01:05:00,721 --> 01:05:02,652

Beck: finding queer as

: 1859

01:05:02,754 --> 01:05:03,024

Dash: baby

: 1860

01:05:03,212 --> 01:05:03,872

Beck: little baby

: 1861

01:05:04,114 --> 01:05:05,014

Dash: was important

: 1862

01:05:05,092 --> 01:05:05,312

Beck: was,

: 1863

01:05:05,614 --> 01:05:07,534

Dash: who didn't have access to community.

: 1864

01:05:07,697 --> 01:05:07,987

Beck: yeah,

: 1865

01:05:08,247 --> 01:05:10,737

Dash: it's not like I could watch

a queer film anytime I wanted to.

: 1866

01:05:11,467 --> 01:05:15,607

but music, I could always

have the queer music I liked.

: 1867

01:05:16,082 --> 01:05:18,522

Well, I can't think of

anything else to say.

: 1868

01:05:18,962 --> 01:05:20,507

Beck: Keep your fingers crossed

for rude that everything's

: 1869

01:05:20,507 --> 01:05:21,872

okay and it's just asthma

: 1870

01:05:22,494 --> 01:05:23,064

Dash: Yeah.

: 1871

01:05:23,124 --> 01:05:25,974

Well, I mean, and asthma is still,

that's something to manage, but,

: 1872

01:05:26,582 --> 01:05:28,922

Beck: Right, but there are the

worst things it could be, so

: 1873

01:05:29,544 --> 01:05:32,070

Dash: That's true, Yeah,

Hanging there, Baby ru.

: 1874

01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:32,970

Well,

: 1875

01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,190

for hanging out another week.

: 1876

01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:40,680

We will let y'all know, About the

Foxy kins and whatever we're gonna do.

: 1877

01:05:41,330 --> 01:05:43,550

Maybe that'll be our year episode.

: 1878

01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,090

I don't know.

: 1879

01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:46,020

And be good.

: 1880

01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:46,710

Have a good week.

: 1881

01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,550

Say how to your mom and them.

: 1882

01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:48,630

Beck: Bye

: 1883

01:05:48,657 --> 01:05:48,877

Dash: Bye.

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