Jeff talks about the Great Columbia Crossing 10k, where last weekend he competed with his young daughter and she did incredibly well. We also get to hear more from local fisherman, property owner, and crypto enthusiast, Ross Kary.

In the second half of the interview, the conversation rambled away from crypto and into more varied and topical subjects like bushcraft, solar flares, and the last stand of the Suicide Brothers. Ross explains what it takes to become a Vessel Captain in the eyes of the law, and Jeff finds out that Ross has famous Native American blood in his veins.

Ross is a man with a lot of unique knowledge to share and it was great to have him with me on Ramble by the River. I hope you enjoy the show.

Topics/Keywords:

rypto; NFTs; Finance, Internet Computer Protocol; Ethereum; Cardano; Opensea; Solanart; Cryptopunks; Alaska; fishing; camping; bushcraft; seafood; pregnancy; new parents; immigrants from Finland, 23andMe; genetics; comedy; existential threats; pandemic life; Portland, Oregon; Hood to Coast; running; National debt; Alex Becker; Elon Musk; TV; Christopher Walken; Scarface; Deer Hunter; Al Pacino; race; ethnicity; Cheyenne River Sioux Lakota tribe; cultural appropriation; Native American culture; Swiftcloud; Suicide Brothers; Crazy Horse; climate change; investing; inflation; real estate; mass coronal ejection; solar flares; faraday cage; Tesla coils; Chainlink; time travelers; GPU; crypto mining; Vosk coin; youtube; ASIC miners; video games; Starcraft; Diablo II; gambling; D-race; FUD; Polkadot; 

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Intro - Morning drive

[00:00:17] Oh, the keys definitely got to go. Jingling bitches.

[00:00:53] good morning. My friends. Good morning. Welcome to another exciting episode of ramble by the [00:01:00] river. Right? Turn

[00:01:48] I don't know why that's significant to me, but it is because. He's always somebody who people look to as like a, an example of what you, [00:02:00] you know, a perfect person, a perfect human. And he, he only lived to be 33. The guy was a kid and he was just, you know, martyred at a very young age of 33, an age that everybody should consider young and think of as youthful and vibrant and not old and decrepit.

[00:02:47] Where my numerology.

[00:03:25] It's a great run. It's a 10 K it starts at the dismal niche, uh, bathrooms. They're off of 1 0 4 highway 1 0 4, leading out today, sale on the Washington side of the river. And that place is also known by many as the million dollar shitter and rumor. When that place was constructed, it costs over a million dollars, which was an outrageous amount of money at the time.

[00:04:11] Uh, bridge going over the Columbia river.

[00:04:35] And so this year it was a reduced capacity race, obviously because of. And there was, I think there something like 2000 something people, and it usually has around 3000, I think. So it was smaller, but it was still really big. It was still quite a few people to cram into a smaller, smaller little community like that.

[00:05:27] So I think it will be the tire sound. Yeah, this is the, this is a new thing, so we'll see how it goes anyway. So great Columbia. My daughter, Elsa is a runner and she's been a runner as long as I've known her. In fact, the very first thing I ever did with her when we met, I came into her life when she was five years old is we went for a run together immediately and I was, I was hooked.

[00:06:06] maybe there's an elk or something in the road.

[00:06:31] When you run into people out here, we live in the woods, basically. This is a very wooded area and you really start to notice that when it's real stormy or, or dark, because you're like, man, this is definitely not feeling too civilized. So my daughter, Elsa is very competitive runner. She has been since she was five years old and she's worked really hard.

[00:07:13] And they said that she'd be able to practice, but because of official rules and probably insurance, she's not. So we decided to schedule her runs outside of school. Right? Turn,

[00:07:57] So we were really excited about it. And she took her [00:08:00] training pretty seriously. We probably ran three to four days a week, you know, probably three to three to five, six miles at a time. And we would go hard. She's very competitive. She's convinced that she's faster than me. So it's really kind of like my job is to make sure she doesn't go out too fast and.

[00:08:31] So during these training runs, she would just want to just blow the, blow the doors off right out the gate. And I would have to hold her back and be like, no else. Let's pace it, pace it out, pace it out. We got to do that. This is a long race. We got to pace it out. And by the end in our training runs, she's usually pretty.

[00:09:08] And, you know, I have longer legs than her. Not by much, honestly, she's gotten a lot taller, but I do still have her by a little bit, so I can usually turn it on and get ahead. No matter what, there has been one time where she beat me legitimately and I give her credit for that. It was cheering it.

[00:09:57] That last time we ran this race, which [00:10:00] was two years ago when Elsa was eight, last time we ran it, we thought we ran a 50 minute time. It turns out that we were wrong about that. And we actually had run like much slower, like at least five minutes slower. And so when we decided, oh, we just got to break 50.

[00:10:40] And I think she there's a good chance. You would've caught me anyway in the last mile, because when we, after we came down there, Around the corner of the bridge and hit the road on the Oregon side, she just turned on and she just started cranking. And I did everything I could to keep up and make sure I was still, I [00:11:00] was her pacer.

[00:11:18] And so I'm just grinding, just trying everything I can, right. Turn to not let her beat me. And I, not because I felt competitive with her, but because I had made a commitment to pacer, so I felt like I had to stay. And I, I really just want it to go all the way through with our plan. And we did, we made it, we've asked like five people in the last 30 feet and it was great.

[00:12:07] I think, I think, I don't know. I go back and forth sometimes. I think like if you're puking you're maybe you're overdoing it, but I don't know. I grew up to think that was like a gold star. If you're puking at the end of a workout, you're doing it right. But who knows? I'm not a coach. I mean, I'm Elsa's coach, but I'm not a real coach.

[00:13:00] Not only did she win her division, which. Ages 14 and below you have to be at least 10 to sign up last time when we ran it and she was eight, she wasn't even officially in the race because she was too young to get a chip, a timing chip. So this time we had the timing chip and she was the minimum age and she smoked that division one.

[00:13:58] I was bringing a Popsicle stick. [00:14:00] Saving it from my lunchtime fudgsicle, but I was not running a full mile and she just blew me away. All right, I'm gonna go get some food. I'll be right back. Okay.

[00:14:36] you go back backing up. It's kinda nice having you guys here with me in the morning. I'm usually alone at this part of the day, man, most parts of the day, but this part, especially the bakery trips in the morning are actually kind of the way I get human interaction. A lot of them. [00:15:00] Which sounds very pathetic.

[00:15:38] But so he ate lunch on his own and my wife and him were talking about it. And. Oh, Sawyer, poor kid. Yet he, by yourself, you could have gone and talked to her. Like she was coming up with solutions like who he could've gone and talked to or what he could have done to try to avoid eating lunch by himself.

[00:16:24] But yeah, no, it is always inherently better to have people around just no matter what. Um, but oh, I got distracted. My point being left turn.

[00:17:05] That's the assumption that I feel from people. And I just don't really think that. My son is not a loser. He just has friends who happened to be reckless with their health. It's just the way it is. I'm not a loser. I just happen to have a job and a personality that keeps people away. It's okay. It's not a big deal anyway, back to the story.

[00:18:03] Honestly, I think Sawyer has it too. He's just not into running as much. He's in cross country right now because I made him be in cross country right now and he's killing it and he's in, he's in love with it too. He's loving doing it. So that's the thing is I was right. And I'm really glad I forced him to do it.

[00:18:46] That's that's what I knew about Sawyer is like his pride. Wasn't going to let him, half-ass it in practice. He cares too much about what people think. So if I could just get him there, he'll do well. And he'll probably thank me for it later. He hasn't, [00:19:00] but he will, he will. And he has his first home meet. Uh, we'll be tomorrow, Thursday.

[00:19:25] Yeah. Anyway,

[00:19:50] It's just like, it's good. It's great. He does a really good job. So.

[00:20:24] Ross was, was nervous. I could tell. And so I, I tried to be funny with them. I tried to loosen them up a little bit and you know, some, some of it's a swing and a miss. You always some, you know, you got to try, but not everything's going to hit, but yeah, no, I definitely was good. I enjoyed this one. It's the, this interview is an hour and so, yeah, I hope you guys enjoy it.

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[00:23:09] Um, yeah. Thank you guys so much for being part of this podcast. It's been such a great experience. We are over 50 interviews done now. So I feel pretty great about that. My goal has been accomplished. I took last week off. I didn't take it off, but I didn't produce an episode. So, and the reason for that is just, I didn't have time.

[00:23:53] Today's the 16th. This comes out today. So I'm hunting season starts today. And that's what I'll be doing with my free [00:24:00] time in the next couple of weeks. And yeah, so life is just full of full of it. So I didn't have a chance to put an episode out last week. I was working on it the whole time, but I just never got it wrapped up in any way.

[00:24:40] So we recorded this episode in September. I'm sorry. It's been so long since we put it out, but it's still great information. And a lot of this stuff isn't going to change. So NFTs are the only thing in here that I'm when I talk about them, I don't know nearly as much as I do now. So take it with a grain.[00:25:00]

[00:25:22] FTX is the organization that Tom Brady and Jazelle punch-in. Just L Brady. Um, they advertise it on some football commercial, my old football coach, Ned. He sent me a link to it because I don't watch TV. And I saw that and I was like, oh man, shit's blown up. So we talked about that in Ned's episode, actually, which is going to be out in a couple of weeks.

[00:25:57] Okay. Let's see, what else did we get?[00:26:00]

[00:26:24] And listen to podcasts and I would start to feel like I was in the room. And especially like, if I'm reading a book about what they're talking about on the podcast, I just was full of stuff to add. I was like, oh, I can make this so much better. Get me in there, Joe Rogan. But Joe Rogan never called. And you know, he never returned my texts.

[00:27:09] So yeah, it's fine. But it still hurts.

[00:27:40] So I'm going to pull over up here and figured that out. I'm on the bay road. I'm going to pull over at the boat line. And take a look at my E schedule.

[00:28:04] Okay. Let's see what we got here.

[00:28:33] But it's just a little list of terms that have been confusing, or it could be ambiguous or acronyms that needed to be clarified, things like that. So that if you're listening and you want to know what a word means or a term means, you can just check the glossary. So while you're there on the computer, head on over to apple podcasts, leave me a review, give me five stars.

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INTERVIEW MAIN

[00:00:00] Ross Kary: Even buying fractional percent of Bitcoin is a good investment because anybody that's ever bought into Bitcoin pretty much ever has made money at this point in time.

[00:00:16] Ross Kary: So, um, you know, even fractional percents of Bitcoin's a good investment, but there's way higher gains to be made with other smaller cap alt coins.

[00:00:31] Right?

[00:00:46] Jeff Nesbitt: if you do though with the altcoins.

[00:01:17] And then it's such a steep drop-off immediately, like within a day, a lot of the time it's back down. Yeah. So you have to really catch that. And like, if you have conviction and you believe in technology, that's all irrelevant because you're going to ride that out. Um, and hopefully you don't buy it when it's on the way up and, you know, miss your level on the way down.

[00:01:43] Jeff Nesbitt: fast. I'm still down on that. And by like 50%, I think. Yeah,

[00:01:55] Jeff Nesbitt: exactly what I did.

[00:02:10] Yeah. And I think that's kind of what that huge pump was. The industry was reflecting like, oh, this shit is good.

[00:02:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. There's a few more like that. Like I think I did the same thing with one inch. Okay. Um, and yeah, but you know, you gotta take

[00:02:35] Oh, absolutely. Um, just the one, one time I made gains on doge coin paid for all the times I filled out into like stupid projects. Yeah. So yeah. You know, you're not going to hit a home run on everyone and you're probably not going to hit a home run on every third one, but

[00:02:54] Ross Kary: huge.

[00:02:59] Jeff Nesbitt: I've, [00:03:00] I've made more on my Bitcoin than anything else. That was just cause I got in at a good time. It was $9,000. Wow. I was thinking it was 18. Cause I remember buying a large chunk at 18. And so that's what I've been saying this whole time. But I went back through my records yesterday and just kind of looked at all my purchases and I've the first Bitcoin purchase I made was Bitcoin was $9,034 and about a hundred dollars worth.

[00:03:31] Ross Kary: know. I've, I'm a firm believer that if people have the money in the bank, um, you know, you should, everybody should hold just one Bitcoin. If we had like 50 million people that believe that I think the price of Bitcoin would go to like a hundred thousand

[00:03:49] It would. I mean, that's not a possible, it's not impossible. Right. But there's only 21 million available. Right. If 50 million people wanted a whole Bitcoin price would be [00:04:00] exactly. It would just explode.

[00:04:17] No you're

[00:04:42] Ross Kary: That's just, it it's, uh, you know, you gotta have a little Fiat around to, to operate on, but got pay prostitutes or something. Absolutely. They, they don't accept, um, Ethereum yet.

[00:04:57] Ross Kary: I tried to send somebody some with theory and one time, or just [00:05:00] like a fractional amount and just the gas fees alone were more than what I was sending.

[00:05:07] Jeff Nesbitt: I sold some the other day. , and yeah, the gas fees were real

[00:05:30] Jeff Nesbitt: are some better solutions than Ethereum for that kind of thing?

[00:05:35] Ross Kary: yeah. Cool. Auto launches, smart contracts mid September. So. We're going to see how, how they work out, I have a feeling it's going to be fine, but I really can't, you know, it's all speculative. Yeah. I mean, there's $96 billion invested in Cardano I think it's, I think it's going to take over the Ethereum network. I do. I don't think the, I mean, I still think Ethereum is going to be, have value.

[00:06:05] Ross Kary: So basically what's going to happen is the retail market is going to get into NFTs and gaming and they're going to be looking for a network to use. So if there's a network that works better than a Ethereum, like say for instance Cartano or Salana, then they're going to take the retail market. And it will pretty much, I mean, it'll pretty much wipe out Ethereum as the top, um, the top network for, for those use cases.

[00:07:10] Okay. And so, but that is kind of one of the things with blockchain it's requires a huge amount of computing power. Right. And that was the problem with Bitcoin, when Elon Musk pulled it from Teslas, what they would accept for payment, it was because of those, the energy costs.

[00:07:30] Yeah.

[00:07:44] Ross Kary: road. Still have value. I don't, I don't think, I mean, I'm, I'm bullish on the whole crypto space.

[00:08:09] So it's probably

[00:08:30] Ross Kary: That's okay.

[00:08:42] Jeff Nesbitt: other than the fact that they are hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's still confusing.

[00:08:50] Jeff Nesbitt: it's a status symbol.

[00:08:53] Jeff Nesbitt: I get it. I mean, it's like driving a Ferrari, right? You're not going to go any faster than your Ferrari then I, then you wouldn't have [00:09:00] Tesla, but people are going to think you're a lot cooler if you have

[00:09:06] And I have it as well. Like even like, you don't actually own property or land, you just human agreeance. You own it.

[00:09:20] Ross Kary: completely. Yeah. Technically, yeah, you own it. Yeah. But it's just human agreeance and verification that you own it.

[00:09:28] Jeff Nesbitt: physically own it. Right. It's there and you're here, right? Yeah. So you don't really own anything. Personal property is kind of a, a myth. Right?

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:10:06] Ross Kary: when you realize that all of the alt coins in your wallet are just, uh, NFTs with no JPEG, that's

[00:10:17] Uh, that's a great way to understand NFTs though. They're just like token. They are tokens. They're just, , the values you can make more money on. Yeah. Yeah. There are somehow even more volatile than the most volatile class of assets.

[00:10:38] , but what if all of a sudden, like it, you know, there's just a bunch of people looking for a store of value and to make legitimate transactions. Like, what if it's the opposite of that? Like, what if there's just people looking to get away from centralized government and Fiat currency and it's become.

[00:11:00] Jeff Nesbitt: kind of where I think is going to go. I think that there will still be more booms and crashes. Several, probably everyone will be a smaller and smaller like descending triangle, and eventually they'll, it'll, you know, kind of somewhat level out. It just like was same way the stock market did or, or the, any kind of large

[00:11:31] There's just, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things to Bitcoin that, that just don't, they don't meet the, I don't know how to explain it. Uh, you mind if we take a little break, I was just

[00:11:51] Ross Kary: give blood today.

[00:11:55] Yeah. Get my, made sure I don't have any kind of cancer cells in my body. I got to [00:12:00] do that. I usually

[00:12:01] Jeff Nesbitt: I like to do at least once a year,

[00:12:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. All right. Let's take a break.

[00:12:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Anyway. Uh, we were just talking about. Uh, testing.

[00:12:52] Jeff Nesbitt: forget about the fucking mix.

[00:13:01] Ross Kary: So testing or talking about testing, you said you can't get anybody to pass your spray test, and then I was telling you,

[00:13:16] And I stand by those things. I think that people should study more. I think that's the key to a test. It's not rocket science, unless it's a rocket science test.

[00:13:31] Jeff Nesbitt: my friend,

[00:13:40] And in case I ever have to quit fishing and maybe like, get a real job. Um,

[00:13:53] Ross Kary: Well, it's just a paper license. It's a merchant Marine, you know? So you mean more

[00:13:59] [00:14:00] To hold it in your, in your, in your person, in your possession. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Part of your identity.

[00:14:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Just, you know, so, so it was, uh, can you tell me again what it was a certification for? It's just

[00:14:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Does that make you a captain then? Uh,

[00:14:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's sweet man. So do you put that on like official documents, captain Ross, Carrie? No. No. You paid the money. You did the study in captain, the boat.

[00:14:38] Jeff Nesbitt: test. All of it, dude. It's it's a whole thing. Yeah, it's tough.

[00:14:47] Ross Kary: shtick. Okay. So my boat's just a little, it was my grandpa's boat. It's just a little 28 foot fiberglass boat. I've probably crabbed it for four or five years now in the [00:15:00] Willapa. And I like it, you know, so as long as I can keep making money doing that, I'm going to keep doing that for sure.

[00:15:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Good. It's so nice to see people having success in something that is kind of an even playing field.

[00:15:45] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, actually, no, it was $300. The earliest I remember, uh, really knowing about it and thinking about buying it. I remember going to the drop off some transfer site garbage, uh, I remember going to the [00:16:00] transfer site and I saw Ned and I was talking to him about crypto and we were talking about Ethereum and like, um, wishing we had bought in earlier.

[00:16:19] Ross Kary: Okay. Yeah. I have seen some graph where if you bought Ethereum with your first stimulus check during the COVID you would have like at least 10 extra money or maybe it might've been more.

[00:16:38] Ross Kary: I went to Alaska this summer and I did, um, yeah. It's chips. I'll try one of those. Yeah.

[00:16:52] Ross Kary: Oh, it is like a rock. Wow. What is that? I don't know. It

[00:17:05] Xylitol low-glycemic index sweetener. Shout out xylitol.

[00:17:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Does that bum you out?

[00:17:33] Jeff Nesbitt: nuts. I mean, it makes me want to kill myself.

[00:17:58] Jeff Nesbitt: there's.

[00:18:05] Ross Kary: Okay. Get a lot of movies watched and stuff. So I caught up in a lot of like new movies and

[00:18:12] Ross Kary: Good. Uh, there's a lot of series. I really like, you know, man, tell me there's tons of them. Well then it should be easy then.

[00:18:27] Jeff Nesbitt: alone, but love alone.

[00:18:39] Jeff Nesbitt: for sure too. Even though I'd like put off putting it in because it's stressful. I'm just like, fuck, I'm just going to check it every day.

[00:19:08] Ross Kary: a friend.

[00:19:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. That's not that much that to spend a hundred days.

[00:19:22] Jeff Nesbitt: You could do a lot easier shit for a hundred days to make a million bucks. A lot of people can't though.

[00:19:31] Ross Kary: either. I'm amazed how many people lose their fire starter and then they like break down mentally. That's horrible.

[00:19:48] And he's like, shit, I lost my Firestarter. Well, while I was building a hot it's like, it's somewhere between here and that, uh, the hot tub, 200 yards through the brush that [00:20:00] way.

[00:20:10] Jeff Nesbitt: watching that show got way more interesting after I started making this podcast because I'm like I have to cut it together. And sometimes it's, uh, most of the time it's not a whole lot of moving stuff around, but every once in a while, like something just doesn't make sense.

[00:20:43] So they're just filming and filming, filming. So I was just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of just boring ass footage that all these producers and editors have to just watch and wait until something happens and, or wait, I'm sure they have software to run through it, like motion, [00:21:00] uh, kind of like those game cams.

[00:21:24] Right. And they do a great job. It's a very, very entertaining show. You really get the drama? Yeah.

[00:21:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You better. Or you're going to die out there. Yeah. BIC lighters. Definitely part of my survival crew. Like, uh, survival.

[00:22:01] Jeff Nesbitt: thousand thousand flicks. I've heard. Yeah. Thousand flicks.

[00:22:09] And I like eating good food when I'm camping

[00:22:34] Right. But

[00:22:45] Jeff Nesbitt: tastes better out there. Yeah. Me and Jake when I was a kid. Okay. So my dad took me and Jake camping a few times, just the boys.

[00:23:11] But it, that was like our family vacation spot. , we, that we didn't have a lot of money and we had a huge family. So that was like ideal. Cause it was way out there. We couldn't cause any trouble or you'd let all your loud kids just be loud, kids and play in the Creek and shit, it's really fun. Um, but my dad took me and Jacob there with our dirt bikes a couple of times.

[00:24:00] It was a best man. So much fun. We went, yeah. Bottom feeder fish out of the Creek and we didn't really know how to cook them. They were so small that how do you get a fish like that? Uh, so we, I mean, we just fried them up, uh, alive, just tossed them on the, on the front of the van until they stopped , flipping around.

[00:24:33] Ross Kary: no, I'll try it out. I don't think I've ever had that one again. I'm kind of picky about my seafood, I guess.

[00:24:51] Jeff Nesbitt: shit. Yeah, man. You have good taste. That's probably you went straight to the best. Yeah,

[00:25:06] Ah, and then serve those over , rice.

[00:25:12] Ross Kary: foods. I can't get my girlfriend to eat anything that I get for a good price.

[00:25:22] Ross Kary: allergic. Uh, she just claimed she doesn't like it. She should tell people

[00:25:30] Ross Kary: Right. Yeah. But, um, yeah, but I am having, we're having a kid.

[00:25:44] Jeff Nesbitt: boy. Well make sure you clear that with him first

[00:25:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't, I don't mean to make jokes. That's I know that's a tough subject for people.

[00:26:03] It is

[00:26:25] The kids are going back to school and stuff. And I heard him say, well, do you have to honor the fact that she identifies as a cat. Is that the do that now. And honestly, I thought it was a legitimate question. Is that right? You gotta honor things that people identify as.

[00:26:50] Oh yeah. There always has been. Yeah, well, no, but they're like, it's, it's absolutely recognized now. Like, that's like, it's

[00:27:00] Ross Kary: I mean, I guess I dunno, like, I guess, I don't know. I just know that's a thing now in school and like, I don't

[00:27:20] Ross Kary: No, I think like, actually, like, if someone identifies as like that, then they, um, uh, it was in the newspaper or something about it, but yeah, no, that's at the school. I'll have to look that up. No, I don't know. I don't look like you're talking about, uh,

[00:27:48] Ross Kary: No, you have to accept people like, you know?

[00:27:55] Ross Kary: no. I've always tried to treat people fair and, you know, [00:28:00] unless they like do something to piss me off, you know,

[00:28:09] Ross Kary: So having a kid, I wouldn't punch him. I shouldn't say that. Oh, go ahead. Go

[00:28:15] Ross Kary: no,

[00:28:24] Ross Kary: Okay. Yeah. So she's like probably six and a half months pregnant. She's doing November 14th. I'm pretty excited. That's

[00:28:38] Ross Kary: That's cool. Yeah. Walt. Yeah. Well, yeah, that was my, uh, great grandpa's name.

[00:29:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Have you ever done your 23 and me or your ancestry? No,

[00:29:09] Jeff Nesbitt: it's not the same, you know, is it not dude? Uh, so mine and my sister Tasha.

[00:29:29] Hey guys. So I have my 23 and me DNA report in front of me right now. And it turns out I was correct. So me and my sister share 47.94% of our DNA. And it says, yeah, exactly. I know what you're thinking. Do we have different dads? But no, we actually don't. It says right here you and your sister Natasha share all of your genetic ancestors, but each of you inherited a different mix of their DNA.

[00:30:31] Ross Kary: I didn't know that either. I I'm kind of interested to get mine now.

[00:30:45] Ross Kary: It tells you how much yours matches

[00:31:01] But it's also, there's like a front end backend, like, uh, you can go look at your relatives and see stuff about them.

[00:31:19] Ross Kary: um,

[00:31:26] Jeff Nesbitt: really, um, more than more than a bacterial or viral or fungal outbreak that kills everybody.

[00:31:40] Jeff Nesbitt: might hit a little close to home for most people. Actually, I might, we might just not talk about that.

[00:31:47] Jeff Nesbitt: mean, I keep, I keep making jokes about the pandemic, um, because it's like impulse to joke about shit. That's hard, but then I'm like, oh shit, actually, no people are going to have dead relatives who hear this and I don't want to hurt those [00:32:00] people.

[00:32:02] Ross Kary: you shouldn't feel like that. You should just talk about whatever you want.

[00:32:24] Right? That's what I like a lot of time, but then every once in a while, you know, you think that's what you want. And somebody says something trying to do that and it doesn't hit and you just want to punch him in the face. Right. So you never know

[00:32:39] I'm just like over it. I'm like, I mean, I'm, I'm a safe as I can be. You know, I have like a pregnant girlfriend and stuff, but I'm not going to like spray down my freaking door handle with Lysol every time, you know, like I'm just kinda trying to be as smart as I can and [00:33:00] not let it affect me.

[00:33:07] It was way less effected than the city people. Absolutely. Cities are ravaged still. It's fucking nuts. I was in Portland this last weekend. I ran hood to coast, uh, that relay race from Mount hood to seaside, which was pretty fun by the way I enjoyed it. But the, um, the city was just how long of a road is there?

[00:33:41] Ross Kary: really good

[00:33:58] You don't like drive with the people running, [00:34:00] but, um, it's grueling. You don't really sleep much. You don't eat much. You just it's. It's hard, but it's fun. Like it does. So I had a good time, but, uh, where I was going with that as Portland just demolished the road, EV just, just lined with tents. The highways are lined with tents.

[00:34:25] Ross Kary: Yeah. I could see that. I forget how much money was printed during this whole pandemic, but it's like more than it had been printed. And then like the last, I can't remember how many years. All of human history. Yeah. They're just printing more money and it's making a bigger debt and we have no intentions of ever paying off that debt. It seems like,

[00:35:09] Like

[00:35:12] Jeff Nesbitt: it probably have to still be Elon Musk. At least

[00:35:22] Ross Kary: else have I? Hm, to be honest, I really like a lot of old movies. Like I, I re watched like a lot of old classics with like Chris walk-in and nice, you know, like what, um, there's just out there. I just had this hard drive on the boat that had like, well, I've probably had a lot of movies on it, but, um, I just, it was all organized by like old like actor and I just would go through and just watch binge-watch like old, old movies.

[00:36:03] Jeff Nesbitt: What is Al Pachino his actual ethnicity?

[00:36:20] I don't want to like sound racist. I'm like, I'm like thought there was, uh, I thought this guy was, uh, you know, um, African-American but he was Mexican and I just felt, I felt bad.

[00:36:54]

[00:37:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That's awesome. That sounds like you got a reason to identify that way. It'd be weird if I did, right. Yeah. Um, do you get offended when girls wear head dresses to, uh, concerts and, or in particular festivals?

[00:37:36] Ross Kary: you know, that I probably wouldn't bother me that much, but it is like, I don't know.

[00:37:44] Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just questioning what, what damage, uh, cultural appropriation does a lot of the time, other than just being annoying as fuck.

[00:38:04] Jeff Nesbitt: um, so how, like what age do you think you started, first of all, when did you know about this background?

[00:38:16] Cause I remember growing up, I remember it maybe towards the end of high school hearing about that for the first time ever. And I don't, I don't know if you guys already knew, um, and just , hadn't talked about it much or what?

[00:38:42] Jeff Nesbitt: it was like a reservation town. Yeah. Oh

[00:38:53] So after got all registered and everything and I mean,

[00:39:03] Ross Kary: Um, my ancestor was okay. What's his name? GRA uh, swift cloud. He was good friends with crazy horse right on the bat. A little big horn. Um, my ancestor actually died in the battle. A little bit of horn fighting custard.

[00:39:22] Jeff Nesbitt: That's

[00:39:29] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. I, so I, my dad read me a couple of books about crazy horse and Custer and actually a whole series of books, like 10 books, , about that period, , written from a bunch of different perspectives.

[00:39:47] Ross Kary: was closed. Yeah.

[00:39:56] Ross Kary: Yeah. And, uh, there's more history. I mean, my aunt knows [00:40:00] more. She has it all written down in names and yeah, we, I think we had some other ancestors, you know,

[00:40:08] What, so what's the rest of your background?

[00:40:21] Jeff Nesbitt: I I'm 99.9, 9%, Northern European, right? Like English, Irish, Scottish, and nothing else. If somehow, amazingly I would've thought there was something else in the middle.

[00:40:36] Ross Kary: that's cool. That works out. You can see.

[00:40:50] I fucking hate the cloudy weather. It's it's it drives me crazy. It literally like it ma it gives me mental illness. It drives me crazy. [00:41:00] Not

[00:41:02] Jeff Nesbitt: It, it fucks with my circadian rhythm to where it just feels like days just all blend together. I

[00:41:10] Jeff Nesbitt: sometimes?

[00:41:32] Right. Um,

[00:41:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, it was beautiful. That's good. It was beautiful. Lots of, lots of sunshine heat, even that was where you backed by that time with the really hot, um, probably like 115 degrees or something.

[00:41:48] Jeff Nesbitt: maybe. Oh, okay. So you probably were right around there.

[00:41:52] Ross Kary: scorched all the treaties for weeks now. I've been back time flies.

[00:41:59] Ross Kary: my [00:42:00] lawn done. Yeah, they can't keep the grass alive. There's no point.

[00:42:08] Cause otherwise it just evaporates immediately. Like I watered my lawn a couple of days and I went and stood out in the front, the front of the house when, uh, when it was, the sprinklers were on and it was windy. So the, the lawn wasn't even getting anything. I left them on for half an hour. And when I was standing out there, it was just like a little cooler in the front yard, but the, it was evaporating.

[00:42:36] Ross Kary: No, at least you don't have to mow it

[00:42:48] Ross Kary: It makes you wonder if like global warming

[00:42:51] No, it's a myth bro. It's liberal propaganda

[00:42:58] Jeff Nesbitt: talked about it a little bit on [00:43:00] the show. I do. I

[00:43:12] Peter tool, Metcalf island. It's Petersburg

[00:43:19] Ross Kary: Just a road right now. It's an acre with like some lightly, you know, smaller trees and stuff. And it's got like a view of a map. On one side of it and it's real close to a public boat launch. Cool. , yeah, so it's just like a tuck. It was like, I don't even want to say how much it was, but yeah, it was an investment

[00:43:38] Yeah. Did you buy it with money that you made, uh, crypto and fishing, crypto

[00:43:45] Jeff Nesbitt: just fishing the old fashioned way, the slow way. The hard way.

[00:43:56] Jeff Nesbitt: hurry. Yeah. So that's cool, man.

[00:44:01] Ross Kary: go. Yeah, for sure. It's I mean, it's a good hedge against inflation for sure. Yeah. Crypto. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:15] Ross Kary: what I'm asking. I was never scared of solar flares until I got into crypto. Now I'm terrified.

[00:44:29] Jeff Nesbitt: too. Yeah, no shit, dude. I've always been afraid of them because they're, , the probability is, is relatively high, right? Like

[00:44:38] Jeff Nesbitt: recently. Well, they're just fucking whipping out into space.

[00:45:04] That means it's. I mean, these are new, it's a nuclear reaction, right? It's not fire it's nuclear fusion vision

[00:45:30] I mean, it's terrifying

[00:45:54] I

[00:46:06] Jeff Nesbitt: pacemakers. Right. I mean, there would be people literally dropping dead. That'd be terrible. Yeah. Um,

[00:46:22] In the cage and you'll still have your theory comes after the

[00:46:29] Ross Kary: would wait for it to start back up after it's repaired. Yeah.

[00:46:47] It doesn't have to be like a rod iron. Yeah. Like a big creepy looking thing. No, you can have black cables and spirally things coming off of it. It's got crackly, lightening and blue shit. And it's just like in your [00:47:00] bedroom, it's like, that's where I keep my drift. Just-in-case

[00:47:09] Yeah.

[00:47:31] Ross Kary: I mean, I just, I know personally somebody that got a new phone and they went to go try to get their wallet and they love.

[00:47:53] Jeff Nesbitt: It just wouldn't sync back up. They just couldn't.

[00:48:02] Oh, that would be terrible. Yeah. So he's just like, oh, that's 20 grand just going, but that would, uh, so you gotta be really

[00:48:13] Ross Kary: of people transferred it to a different wallet before I, or something. I

[00:48:23] Right.

[00:48:31] Jeff Nesbitt: that sucks, man. Sorry to your friend. But I also,

[00:48:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. Jean, I got a little chain link. Not much, but

[00:48:52] No, he just has

[00:48:59] Ross Kary: Right on, [00:49:00] he might be gambling a little bit online with it, but

[00:49:05] Ross Kary: it a little ballsy. Well, to be honest, it's probably. Whatever. Yeah, no, he might be doing that. You may or may not.

[00:49:18] Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty empowering. When you have a big growth in your wealth, just from good luck, making a good choice.

[00:49:36] He would just talk about, um, why, why he thinks Cardano is going to succeed and Ethan is going to die out. And just, it's just obvious to him that because of the gas fees and because there's going to be a large retail market in the NFTs and gaming, , that it's, there's the, the theory of network. Can't keep up with all the transactions and [00:50:00] the, the amount of people that are going to get into it.

[00:50:16] Jeff Nesbitt: That was just the first hit on Google. I don't think that that's not, I don't think what I've heard

[00:50:19] Right. to get Cardano, to go to $3, it took a lot of money. Yeah.

[00:50:30] Yeah, I was, yeah. that's a major resistance point because after that people, a lot of people are going to be like, okay, it's doing something I better get in before it's too late. I did that on a Ethereum. I just didn't believe that it was going to keep going up.

[00:51:06] And I was just like, all right, it'll eventually top out and go back down. And I waited and I waited and I waited until it hit 3000 and then I like, it's not stopping, I'm getting in. And then I got in and it's like,

[00:51:22] Jeff Nesbitt: I know, I know. I just like, if you don't do it, when you first have the impulse, just fucking forget about it, like it's too late.

[00:51:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Between like January and March or something. Yeah. Maybe later even April, uh, it was like. Yeah. Like three times more

[00:51:55] Jeff Nesbitt: the theory and dos, I think.

[00:51:58] Ross Kary: Yeah. I don't know if people like [00:52:00] mark,

[00:52:18] We're light, we're quick. We do a tons of transactions. It's like, yeah. But your, your valuation is way off your fucking creeps and your dress weird. And for those reasons I'm

[00:52:34] Like that's all.

[00:52:56] Ross Kary: YouTube sends you down to those a lot of times, uh, [00:53:00]

[00:53:00] Exactly. It was because, uh, like I was, well, I was because I was looking at conspiracy videos. Yeah. But this one, for some reason caught my eye, uh, because the guy was making a lot of sense. Okay. And, um, I'm a critical, I'm a critical eye when it comes to conspiracies. I like my, my, yeah. My sport is to like, look for ways that it, that it could be untrue and that it could still be believable, like the way it is.

[00:53:44] like the, the want to, to believe that people are generally honest or, , things like that. Um, and you can just fall right into that stuff. But anyway, , this old guy in the leather chair, and he's just like, just do yourself a favor, put $50. [00:54:00] A hundred dollars, any amount of money into Bitcoin before it's too late, because at a certain point it's and he showed the graph, which now it looks like a graph of what has happened the last two years, uh, of, of what happens, the, the kind of black hole effect, when wealth starts to flow, it pulls wealth into it.

[00:54:42] Right. And that was the beginning of my, of my investment journey. Yeah. Fuck man. Glad I did. Right. Really, really, really glad

[00:54:55] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't even know what his deal was, uh, that who [00:55:00] knows if he, if he was like a cult leader or something, I don't even know, but like, I wasn't interested in him, but the things he were saying were ringing true to me.

[00:55:31] Do you know?

[00:55:33] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, I'm aware of it. I've never actually been on it. Uh,

[00:55:52] And then now it's now it's at one point he was worth over a million. Oh my God. That's so cool. [00:56:00] So

[00:56:01] Ross Kary: know, right? Sometimes you just got to believe, uh, there was a time traveler. He knew the price, obviously.

[00:56:13] Ross Kary: no, it's an Oracle, you know much

[00:56:18] Yeah. So it makes stuff, interoperability

[00:56:23] Jeff Nesbitt: That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's something that will be more and more needed too. It's got a

[00:56:30] Jeff Nesbitt: What's another one of those, like, is that what compound does or there's one of the ones in crypto earn on Coinbase.

[00:56:48] Jeff Nesbitt: that's one thing that, that it took me a little bit to figure out is like the, the multiple blockchain thing. The fact like the whole concept of a blockchain in my brain at first was hard to grasp because it's like [00:57:00] the, the data need not the data, but the computation.

[00:57:25] Yeah. Like it's made hard on purpose. Um, but that's why it's valuable. And that's, that's, that's something that I think a lot of people that struggled to grasp it as a concept. That's, that's the stumbling block that I think they're not getting. Is that like that complexity, the fact that we're paying for that energy, all that stuff is what's building the value in secure.

[00:58:07] Ross Kary: Tons of networks conducted across. It could be anywhere. Yeah. So I could mine at my house if I wanted to.

[00:58:22] Ross Kary: return on investment on video cards is. You have to mind full-time for like over 200 and some days to just get your money back on just the video card.

[00:58:34] Jeff Nesbitt: But 20 video cards. True. Like we'll do, you'd make your video. You make your money back quickly and then be making profits, a lot of profits, Bitcoin miners and Ethereum miners. The last year, I've just made a fucking killing good luck getting

[00:58:50] Jeff Nesbitt: I had a whole like plan for a, a Bitcoin miner rig set up in my house right before.

[00:59:17] I was like, yeah, right. Not worth it. I

[00:59:29] Jeff Nesbitt: That was another thing. Yeah. Yeah. And they get so hot. I was going to use it to heat my house. I was renovating my, I had planned to renovate my house too.

[00:59:40] Ross Kary: , you have to like clean the fans and make sure all the, um, CPU cards are like spread, like. Brushed

[00:59:56] He does a lot of stuff about mining. That's where I was watching that a lot. Was [01:00:00] that time. Yeah. It's

[01:00:07] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. What does that stand for? Something specific? Yeah. Action specific. No,

[01:00:24] Ross Kary: yeah, I know it's a, they're a little more expensive and there you have to, there's like a long wait list to get one.

[01:00:32] Jeff Nesbitt: You know? Yeah, man. They were so widely available couple of years ago. Sucks. But the pandemic made everything hard to get. And then on top of that, no rush.

[01:00:51] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah.

[01:00:55] Ross Kary: off. Yeah. And the hard times the gamers [01:01:00] really didn't like the fact that video cards cost three times.

[01:01:10] Ross Kary: anybody. I think lumber is starting to come down a little bit, but you

[01:01:15] Now that I'm done buying it. Yeah. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, it was so shitty. Um, what was I going to say? Oh yeah. You game anymore. Um,

[01:01:32] Jeff Nesbitt: about it? Call of duty or something?

[01:01:40] Like what, um, StarCraft. Oh, right. I'm really old school. Yeah. And then they got, um, a new Diablo, two remastered beta came out and I didn't play that, but I, like, I know about it. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's just a lot of, there's a lot of game stuff that I know a [01:02:00] lot about and enjoy. So I do, I do invest in the gaming cryptos cause it's good.

[01:02:08] Jeff Nesbitt: They do, I don't know much about the gambling

[01:02:23] Cause there was just a

[01:02:26] Ross Kary: Yeah. Yep. And you could have easily got in and probably doubled your money real quick. , there are, there's a reason it was down. Oh, because. Yeah, there was just some like FID, you know, some, some fear and stuff. There's always new rain

[01:02:52] You'll hear that all the time in crypto podcast. And, , for a long time, I was just like, what the fuck is fun? I thought it was related to Elmer Fudd somehow. Like it's [01:03:00] like, um, a reference to people. I just didn't know. I got the context, but it took a long time for hear anyone actually say that.

[01:03:10] Bitcoin fear and greed or something. Well, like in crypto, you want to be greedy when other people are fearful. That's when the price is down, you want to be buying it and then you want to have some type of exit strategy to sell it when it's up, you know, your, I would say your entry is more important than your exit.

[01:03:38] Jeff Nesbitt: you have to buy when it's the hardest to buy. Right. Cause it seems like everybody's getting out and it's just like, that's hard.

[01:03:49] So, I mean, at any point, if you just bought a crypto and held it, you're probably in the profits right now. Most

[01:04:04] Ross Kary: money, but if you bought it in like 2017, then you're

[01:04:09] You're a millionaire probably, probably, , because yeah, it was rock bottom.

[01:04:14] Jeff Nesbitt: road. I wonder if we'll ever get back down there, like the sub $10,000 Bitcoin dubs rises. Yeah. I hope not. I hope not.

[01:04:24] Jeff Nesbitt: prices. It's when it's the least appealing.

[01:04:32] Ross Kary: You just got to look for stuff that said dumpster prices. And you're like, why is this such a junk? And then you like, look at it and it's a good project. And you're like,

[01:04:46] And then a week later you go look and it's tripled. Yeah, fuck I, that was my moment.

[01:04:58] Jeff Nesbitt: is the next baby monkey come back, , [01:05:00] when you find out and tell us about it. Yeah. Well for sure. All right, man. Well, I'll let you get out of here.

[01:05:09] Ross Kary: having me, Jeff. Really appreciate it.

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