Laura and Xhafer talk fighter aces. Xhafer needs a hit of that good math. Laura wonders if Livejournal is still live. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 2, Episode 15: Scar.

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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We're a reasonably well done

sci-fi watch cast by a couple

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of former strangers Now friends.

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Who are watching 2000

fours Battlestar Galactica.

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I'm Laura,

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Xhafer: And I'm Jair.

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Laura: and we're lonely today.

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Jair.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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My, my brother in Valen, vic co-host

over on last time on meme, Lord over

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at Dominion Media Television was

supposed to be joining us today.

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Uh, He's had a bit of a rough

week with some health stuff.

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He's, he's on the mend and he's gonna

be okay and we wish him well uh, but he

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was not able to join us for this app.

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So, uh, just, uh, make some jokes

in your mind that sound like

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they would be ones he would make.

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And then post those in the discord so

that he can steal them and use them later.

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Laura: And I'll encourage you,

Victor, to at any point if you had

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written up jokes for this episode,

just go ahead and share 'em in the

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Discord so I can have a good laugh.

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I was really looking forward to your

perspective on Scar face here and, I

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will be delighted with anything that

you would like to share, so feel better.

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Victor.

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We love you

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Feel better buddy.

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alright.

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Scarface Scar is the episode

we're talking about season

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two, episode 15 of 2000 four's.

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Battlestar Galactica reboot.

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I think I said when we were talking

about the preview, the last episode,

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that this was a very memorable episode.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: It's one that stuck in my mind.

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I, after watching it.

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For notes.

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I don't remember why.

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Laura: It's, no, it's the Scarface.

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It's that shot we keep going back

to of the Raider with the big old

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Scarface and the red eye going

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across.

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Xhafer: Yeah, but it's like this episode

is kind of, I don't wanna say it's bland.

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It's a good episode.

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I enjoyed the episode, but it's

so much of just like Starbucks.

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Kat just fucking arguing is, this actually

is actually the bulk of this episode.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's just such a weird mirror to

what happened in last episode.

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Like last episode.

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We kept having, sadly doing his.

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You know, memories of the Long Lost

Girl and we get Starbuck doing the exact

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same thing in this episode where she's

remembering Anders all the time and we

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have our plot structure thing that we've

built this memory around as like, you

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know, for Lee it was the black market and

we're tracking the guy down and stuff,

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but Starbuck has to hunt down this Raider.

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That is probably the one that she.

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Gutted.

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Is that what the implication is?

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Xhafer: believe that's what the

implication is, that the, this

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raid in particular hates Starbuck.

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Laura: Yes, yes.

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Oh man.

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It's just when you watch these two

episodes back to back, it's like

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we just took the same formula.

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It said, okay, how can our brother

and our sister both confront

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this same formula episode?

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Xhafer: It's a lot, um, like.

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I don't pretend like I could run

a TV show better than Ron Moore.

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I, I know that I can't.

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That's, that's fine.

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I can live with that.

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And I'm not suggesting that there's

a better way to do things, but I

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do wonder, I mean, it's definitely

different in the streaming age, and

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that's not something that would've

been easily predictable back then.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah, there's definitely a poetry in it.

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Like there is a part of me that

is very satisfied by it in a weird

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Xhafer: episodes are rhyming

in a very George Lucas way,

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: um, which is something

that I can appreciate.

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I just wonder if you like knowing

that most people are going to

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experience this TV show by watching

it all back to back to back.

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If you put another episode in

between them or if you leave them

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next to each other, like a couplet.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Like how intentional was that?

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That's what I want to know.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: because I think it's

a good decision either way.

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I, I could see an argument

for both if you'd change it

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knowing or if you wouldn't,

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Laura: The other danger you have with

doing this sort of poetry in your two

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episodes is that you invite comparison

between the two of them, right?

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And unfortunately, black market was

not well received by the community

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: and probably as often,

not favorably compared to

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this episode in particular.

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'cause there's at least some more action,

more interesting things happening.

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We already know more

about Starbucks whole deal

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Xhafer: yeah,

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Laura: pining over.

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Lee's was just completely

fabricated from our point of view,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It was all new with Lee.

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We, we've met Anders.

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When we flash back in this episode, we're

flashing back to episode that we watched.

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Laura: right?

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Xhafer: So it's a very

different vibe all around.

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It feels a lot more earned in that regard,

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Laura: Yeah, but the last time on

that this opens up with on this

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episode is just blast from the past.

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Like all of these plot points

that you may have forgotten about.

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Let's remember those real quick.

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We've got the Raider that

Starbuck guts on that one planet.

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We've got Cat having

her problem with stems.

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We've got that whole business on Caprica.

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Remember those things?

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Xhafer: They're gonna matter

for little bits of this episode.

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and We open on Cat and Starbuck on

patrol, watching over a mining operation,

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talking about the eponymous scar, a

silent Raider who has earned a reputation.

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And then we begin what is

a series of flashbacks.

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Will bring us back and forth between

these two on patrol, in air quotes, the

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present, and then the last several weeks

of bullshit that lead up to this moment.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Yeah.

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Hey,

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Laura: I just realized

something looking at my notes.

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Xhafer: What's up?

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: So one of the like

threads throughout this episode

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Xhafer: What.

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Laura: is that RI has a girlfriend

ri one of the pies pilots

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who died, had a girlfriend.

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No one can remember who she is.

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: Is this a reference

to Lee in the last episode?

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Like a little sly, jokey jokes

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Xhafer: the writers' room is

like, I think your episode sucks.

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So I'm gonna put an imaginary

girlfriend who didn't exist in our

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episode two, just to prove a point.

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Laura: Uhhuh?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: That is so minute

and petty that I love it.

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I stand a

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Laura: I, I mean, I, I don't

know, but I'm just feeling it.

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I'm feeling a vibe.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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They're clearing out Bino

and Riley's bunks here,

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Laura: Bino, what a name.

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Xhafer: is Bino Riley.

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B O'Reilly, Bino

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Laura: I thought they

were two different dudes,

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Xhafer: They're two different dudes.

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Laura: I think.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So, we'll talk about it in a second,

but Bino counts towards previous episode

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survivor count, and Riley does not.

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Laura: Oh, wow.

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Xhafer: they die at different times,

I guess I don't think is, I don't know

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if Riley's dead yet in this flashback.

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But they're clearing out Binos bunk as

two rookies enter and they get told the

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Tale of Scar, the silences top pilot.

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They're Red Baron, they're Black Devil.

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And I started to think it's like,

wait, why are all the super Ace

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fighter pilots always Germans?

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If you think like I was thinking

about it 'cause all like all

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these like Super ACEs, right?

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Because I'm like, okay,

who are the top pilots?

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Like top fighter ACEs of all time,

red Baron, world War I, black Devil,

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world War ii, both German guys.

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I'm like, huh?

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Did they just make better

fighters, better fighter pilots?

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This led me down a giant

Google rabbit hole.

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Ben is probably shouting

the answer right now.

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I'll get there, I promise.

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Laura: is shouting the answer.

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Pipe down

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Xhafer: Right.

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We hear you from here in the

future, in your past, in our future.

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We hear you.

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Um, so apparently, like all of these

best fighter pilots of all time are,

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in fact German, the top 30 fighter

pilots with kills ever are all German.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: And then after

that you get the Japanese.

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Even like, I'm like surely

a like Chuck Yeager, right?

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One of the most famous American

fighter pilots of all time, right?

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Guy was so good, became a

test pilot after the war.

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First man to break the sound

barrier, did all this stuff right?

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Chuck Yeager.

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Surely on this list, not even

close to the top 50, Chuck Yeager

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has like seven confirmed kills.

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The, the for context, the Black

Devil has 352 kills in 850 missions,

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Laura: Damn.

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Xhafer: right?

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Uh, That's Eric Hartman is his real name.

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And there's actually a very specific

reason why, because when you got your

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ace, which is five or more kills as

a pilot in almost any other country,

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they brought you the fuck home.

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Laura: They were like, you're done.

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Congrats,

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Xhafer: five kills.

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You're clearly good enough to

train our other pilots to survive.

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So you're coming home and you're

training pilots, and that's exactly

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what happened to everyone who got five

or more kills in World War II as a

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non-German or Japanese fighter pilot did.

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Laura: Wow, this is fun.

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See, this is.

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The sort of thing that I would love

to present to a class as like, you

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know, you could go down a whole

rabbit hole of like examining German

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engineering or German training or

German precision, and it's, the answer

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is actually none of those things.

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It's just that they kept flying

while everybody else didn't.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They just pulled him and sent him home.

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Yeah.

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Chuck, Chuck Flagger.

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Yeager flew like a dozen or

something missions in World War ii.

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Like, it's just, it's not even comparable.

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He just didn't have the opportunity

to kill as many people as a German

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fighter race because they just

brought him home immediately.

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And it's like, yeah.

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So it, it makes a lot of sense.

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The, the, I mean, the German and

the Japanese were just both like,

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we keep our ACEs in the air.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: 50 is exclusively

German and Japanese pilots.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And it's just like,

it's so, so crazy to me.

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And then when I found out why it

was just a, like a fucking course.

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It makes so much sense.

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Yeah.

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Laura: It makes so much sense.

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And you know, I, I've, being in

a business PhD program, we are

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obsessed with like causality.

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Like can we establish that

X causes Y and people get.

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Into these very convoluted models.

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You have lots of controls.

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You're trying to find the cause,

and sometimes the cause is

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just like we brought 'em home.

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Xhafer: It's just a cultural difference.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: just valued them differently.

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You know, the Germans were like,

your value is clearly in the skies.

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You are flying four times as many missions

as everyone else because you are the best.

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And everyone else culturally

is all like you are the best.

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You need to train our people so that we

have more people who survive and win.

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Laura: Yeah.

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That's wild.

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I love it.

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Thank you for dropping that

knowledge bomb on me today,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Yeah, it is crazy.

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So anyways, they're talking about

Scar and he's the, he's Thes, ace.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And uh, Kat and Starbuck

end up verbally sparring about

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who's gonna kill Scar here

before Kara, who is just trashed.

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She's just out of it.

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She's thinking about Sam.

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And then we see scar.

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We flash forward again and we see scar

coming out of hiding and that's like

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that scar coming outta hiding thing.

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We're gonna see the shot,

like we're, there's one shot.

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We actually see more in this episode

when we sit down and count them.

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But we're gonna see this

shot a couple of times.

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Laura: Oh, did you do the math?

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Xhafer: Actually, no, I did, but

it's only because it would've

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been like counting to four.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's just not enough for Jair.

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Xhafer: no, no, no.

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That's not that good math.

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Gimme that good shit right into my veins.

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Um, survivor Count 49,593.

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We are down four.

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We're down.

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Fisk, the Garrot guy, LAN and Bino.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah, so RI has not died yet at

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Xhafer: Well, technically everyone

that dies in this episode has already

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died by the perspective point of the

present of this episode, but because we.

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Laura: But they're gonna

be accounted for within

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Xhafer: Yes.

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So because we see their deaths after

the survivor count, they do not count

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towards the survivor count and will count

towards next episode's survivor count,

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which I've actually already written

the notes for and done the math for.

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So I can confirm that

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Riley is on that list for next one.

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Laura: Excellent.

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Brilliant.

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Okay.

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wow.

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There, there's so many

like hop around points.

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So

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Xhafer: this episode's a mess.

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Laura: It is a mess.

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I mean, it, it serves the story though,

like it definitely works for this episode.

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But we flash to Cat

and Starbuck in flight.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Starbucks senses something

is off and finds scar.

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We get that shot again.

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and then Starbucks gets hit,

but survives the encounter.

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We cut to Cat and Starbuck

leading a debrief of pilots.

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While Rosalyn talks to Adama and Tai

about how important this mining operation

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is for the long-term survival of the

fleet they're talking about replacement.

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It's like enough minerals to build

two replacement wings of vipers.

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Laura: That's a lot of minerals.

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Two whole wings.

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Do we know how many are in a wing?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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How many are in a wing?

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It's probably that, that

formation we see fly.

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I think it's like seven or eight.

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Laura: Yeah, sure.

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Surely,

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Xhafer: yeah, it's, it's, it's

like two dozen vipers plus.

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Laura: Significant, right.

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Xhafer: For sure, which they can do.

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Over on Pegasus.

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There's Viper building facilities onboard.

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Pegasus, they, they

casually drop that here.

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Laura: It's important.

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Well, we know that when he

puts his mind to it, chief Teel

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can build himself a ship, so

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: just give him the stuff.

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Xhafer: that made it two episodes

and was also scrap parts.

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Laura: I believe he could do it again.

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Xhafer: it's nice to have all the

tool and die ready to go, um, in the

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industrial facilities on Pegasus.

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Very important to the long-term survival.

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Laura: Hmm indeed.

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Xhafer: Ty notes that they're losing

a lot of ships and they're gonna

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have an issue with replacement

pilots more so than Vipers.

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Laura: See, this is a moment,

like I described in one of

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our previous episodes about.

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You know, the fleet having

some information asymmetry with

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the whole Galactica situation.

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Like we are told somewhere in this

episode that the fleet is not here.

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Like the fleet is somewhere safe and

it's just Galactica and it's vipers that

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are trying to protect this mining ship.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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And so the whole fleet does not

know how hard Galactica and its

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pilots are working at this moment.

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Like they, they are doing their

own thing, trying to run their

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black market and whatever and go

hang out on cloud nine, but they

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don't really know what's happening.

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So this is how it's that Cylon Sympathizer

group can flourish because they don't see

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all of the attacks that are happening.

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Xhafer: They don't know what's up.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Starbucks talks to Sharon and

learns that Raiders also reincarnate.

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She talks about trading pilots and

having death being a learning experience,

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but also that a death as an experience

is a bitter one that embroils anger.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean that checks,

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Starbrook and Ka continue training the

nuggets which includes a live fire after

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being thrown around in a gyroscopic chair.

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Laura: Oh my God.

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This is so funny though.

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Like ignoring no guns in

Tube, which we've said

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Bad idea.

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Laura: Cardinal rule.

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Not only are we doing guns in tube,

but we are doing guns in tube after

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we've severely disoriented a person

and like not everybody is behind

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some sort of bulletproof material.

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Xhafer: Right, like you can tell me

that the end of the shooting range

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is like three feet of concrete.

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They don't have to worry about it.

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They can fire their

guns into that concrete.

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It's fine.

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Believable.

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You can build a shooting range inside

of a spaceship if you really want to.

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You could tell me that there's.

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Three feet of concrete around

that entire fucking room,

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just in case, still on board.

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Zero gravity.

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We don't give a fuck how

heavy things are, whatever.

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But they're, and there, and not even

all of them are wearing safety goggles.

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Like

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this is a shit show.

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They talk about shooting random

bits of like the clock and stuff.

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When they try this.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: It's just like.

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You're putting a live loaded

weapon in someone's arms, so

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you've just spun around in a chair.

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Laura: Could we try it with like darts

maybe, or you know, those little uh,

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Nerf guns with the little section cup.

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Xhafer: Chug a beer.

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Get in the gyroscopic chair.

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Get really dizzy, then

try and tr chug a drink.

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Step one, not straight to

loaded Firearm, please.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I do appreciate this series'.

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Acknowledgement of like physics and

the difficulties that physics can

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cause for people who are in like

combat situations within space.

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Like a lot of series we get,

you know, hand wavy reasons

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that that doesn't matter.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Inertial dampeners.

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It's fine.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Or, you know, we just ignore it.

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But we get the cool, like actual

physics that you could do,

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like spinny flips and stuff.

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We get to see that and we get the

acknowledgement of like, the Gs that you

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are under could crush your knee with Uck.

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You know, so I, I like to

see them doing these things.

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This is very interesting and fun for me.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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they do this so all like, oh, you

hit the paper Target Gratz, and

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it's like, what's the record for?

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Who has it?

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Starbuck Cat's are like,

I'm getting in that chair.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Yep.

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Xhafer: And then

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Laura: Cat's got a, a ax to grind.

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Xhafer: yeah, goes for it.

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Gets in the chair and

then breaks the record.

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Hits that five.

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Laura: Yeah, this cat's gonna be

breaking records all over the place.

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I think here,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: uh, We flashback

to Starbuck is hit.

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Kat has lost her visual.

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she wants to help.

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She's like, Starbucks, let me help you.

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But Starbucks's like, no, no, no.

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I've got Scar.

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This thing is mine

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Xhafer: I'm gonna do it.

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Laura: For good this time.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Just not even giving

Kat the chance to help.

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Starbucks flies into an asteroid

as we cut back again, Carrie tells

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Hilo that she thinks Sam is dead.

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And, uh,

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then uh, Bebe is gonna

go out with Duck here.

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Bebe's really nervous.

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It's his initials and also his call sign.

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Although duck calls him baby boy at

one point, so maybe BB stands for

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baby boy instead of his initials.

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Laura: Bibe is bibe to me.

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He's a little baby.

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Xhafer: bb

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Laura: Yeah.

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I.

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Xhafer: And Starbucks all like,

you turn around and you die.

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You engage, you lean in, you

do this stuff, it, and he does

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the stuff and gets killed.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Starbuck is clearly really messed up.

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And I was thinking about her

saying that she thinks the Anders

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is dead, that she tells Hilo.

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how long has it been?

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Xhafer: Um, I

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Laura: It's been weeks,

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Xhafer: it's been more than weeks.

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Laura: Okay.

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At this point we're at months.

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Xhafer: We, we are at,

um, Let me reasonably,

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Laura: to set me in time, right?

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Xhafer: I don't think so.

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I'm trying to remember what day

things were because we had a big

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time jump after Pegasus, right?

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Where we went.

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We basically went about a hundred

days into the future after Pegasus.

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Laura: Is it after Pegasus or is it after?

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Um, oh,

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wherever.

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Xhafer: Ship.

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'cause Pegasus Resurrection Ship Part

one, two all happened very quickly.

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And then

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Laura: Rosalyn didn't

have that much time left.

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Rosalyn didn't have a hundred days left

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Xhafer: yeah, well she did back then.

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that happens in uh, epiphanies, which

is day 180 9 is when Kane gets killed.

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Laura: Okay.

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Xhafer: so we are somewhere

around day 200, probably,

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Laura: Wow.

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Xhafer: yeah, probably around day 200.

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Um, and then home part

one was like day 65.

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When Hilo, Hilo, Sharon,

and Starbuck make it back.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: So, and they

would've left around day 60.

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So we're looking at 140 days

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Laura: It is wild to me how we

haven't really talked about caprica

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Xhafer: and I mean, anytime

it's been like, they just keep

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going farther and farther away.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And it

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Laura: it feels like, it's

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Xhafer: and harder.

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Laura: it feels like it's

Starbucks private burden.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: That Caprica is still there and

she's not like lobbied publicly that we've

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seen for going back, you know, not since

she talked to Rosalyn, like very briefly,

508

and she spoke to Kane too, I think.

509

And so I guess the, the story is that

she's being eaten up inside and turning

510

to this, this alcoholism that's.

511

Pretty destructive to cope with that.

512

I just wish we talked about it more,

like she could talk to Lee about it, but,

513

Xhafer: Yeah.

514

Laura: and she doesn't even, I, she

does go talk to Sharon in this episode.

515

Right.

516

It seems like you could have her

speak to Sharon more about it.

517

Sharon was there, you know,

she got them off that planet.

518

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

519

Laura: Hmm.

520

Okay.

521

Xhafer: Yeah, it's uh, hard to

say, um, but it's been a while

522

and it will be a while longer.

523

Laura: Weird.

524

Okay.

525

Yeah, we've, we've just

uh, Bebe's just died.

526

Xhafer: Bebe just died.

527

Lee and Kara drink in

the empty pilots galley.

528

Uh, Lee can remember the names

of the dead, but not their faces.

529

Kara regrets that she and Lee

will never see Earth because

530

they risk their lives so often.

531

They will surely die

before they get there.

532

Laura: Yeah,

533

Xhafer: feeling that plot armor right now.

534

Laura: yeah.

535

Bright, shiny.

536

Future is overrated.

537

And basically because all we have is

now, we should definitely make out

538

Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

539

Laura: Dead fiance's brother ringer

lookalike for the guy you loved on capa.

540

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

541

Laura: This is all good.

542

This is normal and definitely

not gonna cause you any problems.

543

Xhafer: Yep.

544

Uh, They start to fool around when

Lee senses something is off, and

545

when Lee asks her about it, she

is initially pretty shitty to Lee.

546

But eventually tells Lee the truth.

547

She's hung up on Anders and

doesn't know how to handle it.

548

And Lee is shitty in response right back.

549

Laura: Ah, yeah, he's, he gives

some, something about, oh, you

550

can, you can handle dead guys.

551

You just can't handle a living

one, which is really shitty,

552

Xhafer: So shitty.

553

Laura: And also like weren't

you just hung up on a dead

554

girl in the last episode, Lee?

555

As far as we

556

Xhafer: Lee doesn't watch this show.

557

He doesn't know his own

character development.

558

Laura: Like, what is going on?

559

My guy like, you too.

560

They, they really are like the children

of this show, Lee and Starbuck, like

561

they have low emotional maturity.

562

They can't recognize their own feelings.

563

They can't talk about other

people's feelings together.

564

I, I am constantly going back to

the mom and dad metaphor for Adama

565

and Rosalyn and the family metaphor

for these two, but I just love it

566

so much because it is so well drawn.

567

Xhafer: Yeah.

568

It really works.

569

It works so well.

570

Laura: Which is why it's weird

that they're making out also.

571

Xhafer: right.

572

awkward ifs fuck.

573

Laura: Yep.

574

Star BES is drinking and watching footage

of the pilots in their last moments and

575

like what they did and saw basically

probably watching Scar come out of

576

hiding all of a sudden and kill them.

577

Xhafer: It's that same shot of scar

coming outta, hiding by the way, only

578

it's done up in green and pixelated.

579

Laura: Uhhuh?

580

Xhafer: Just reusing the fuck

outta that visual effect scar just

581

coming outta hiding constantly.

582

And uh, she cries a bit during

this, but mostly drinks.

583

Laura: Yeah.

584

We cut to Cat getting visual

again and Uck playing chicken

585

with scar in that asteroid.

586

Xhafer: We cut back to find.

587

Jojo is now dead too.

588

Laura: Yeah, we're like at the, the pilots

meeting, the CAG is giving briefings

589

and stuff, you know, in that one room

with the seats and several of the pilots

590

are like nodding off in this meeting.

591

Starbuck gets the message that jojo has

been killed, and then Kat gets in her face

592

because Starbuck was supposed to have been

the one out there this morning, but she

593

was too hungover and had to send jojo.

594

Oh

595

Xhafer: Kara dismisses the pilots

and then uh, she just gets in there.

596

Laura: Yeah.

597

Xhafer: like it's the worst intervention

in history here as Kat tries to

598

call Starbuck out on her drinking.

599

It is rough.

600

Laura: As far as I can tell, you

know, I, again, I would love to

601

do the math and figure out how

many days it's been since the.

602

ISN episode where Kat's stem

problem came out, but like, as far

603

as I can tell, Kat is recovered

from her stems problem, right?

604

And she is legitimately confronting

Starbucks about like, you do kind of need

605

to be a leader and get your shit together.

606

She's not as uh, diplomatic about

that as Rosalyn was with Mr.

607

Baltar.

608

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

609

Laura: But pilots are not known

for their diplomacy, right?

610

So she is trying and she has a legitimate

point, but Starbucks keeps trying to throw

611

it back in her face, this whole episode

that she had a meth addiction, right?

612

Meth head problem.

613

Right.

614

Just uh, star bees.

615

I'm sorry.

616

It's not working for me.

617

Xhafer: Well, I mean this is, this

is cut to match a scene from the mini

618

series, which is Starbuck and Ty.

619

Laura: Oh, that's true.

620

Xhafer: is all set up to be

exactly like Starbuck and Ty.

621

Only.

622

Now Starbuck is Ty and Kat is Starbuck.

623

Laura: Wow.

624

How the turns have tabled.

625

Yeah.

626

Xhafer: Yeah.

627

So, you know, there's

yelling, there's punching.

628

Lee comes in and sends the two

of them on patrol to work it out.

629

It's all like, fuck you guys.

630

You're not gonna have a chance to fight

because I'm making you work together.

631

Laura: Yeah.

632

Yeah.

633

Who was it that broke up?

634

The tie in Starbuck

thing in the mini series?

635

I wish I could remember.

636

Xhafer: Was it Hilo?

637

Was it Hilo before he left?

638

It

639

Laura: I don't know.

640

I was like, what if it was Lee?

641

That'd be fun.

642

I don't remember, so if I'm wrong,

just tell me in the Discord.

643

But it would be super fun if it was Lee.

644

Xhafer: Yeah.

645

I don't remember.

646

After this we get the scene where

Kat hangs Riley's girlfriend's

647

picture on the wall of the missing.

648

We finally catch up to the present

now, so we're no longer in flashback

649

after multiple commercial breaks

going to Starbuck playing Chicken

650

with Scar, which is the most re

reused scene in this episode.

651

We, we see this like five times.

652

Laura: Are you sure it's not just the

closeup of scar's face with the red light

653

Xhafer: If we count the one in

the background while they're

654

viewing it on repeat, it

655

Laura: Uh.

656

Xhafer: counts.

657

If that counts as one, maybe if

it counts every time it repeats.

658

Definitely we see it more.

659

Laura: Yeah.

660

Xhafer: I did not do the actual math but

we see scar, we get a cut of her thinking

661

about promising Sam she would return.

662

And that's when she breaks off the,

the chicken game and lures scarred

663

a cat who then gets the kill.

664

Laura: Yeah.

665

Finally.

666

Finally, a little maturity from

Starbuck, realizing that, you know,

667

if I do this and get the kill and

also don't exist anymore, that's it.

668

Game over there.

669

Is there anyone left to fight for Caprica?

670

And what's happening there?

671

And I'm a little annoyed now that

I am thinking about it here in this

672

discussion with you, that like the thing

that keeps haunting her about Caprica

673

is Anders and not like the atrocities

being visited upon thousands of women.

674

Fuck.

675

It's always about some dude.

676

Xhafer: Right.

677

There's like so many more

people to be upset about.

678

It's, she doesn't go like,

oh, but I have to go back to

679

Caprica to save the thousands of

women in the cy breeding farms.

680

Or anything like, oh, that I

have this terrible shared trauma

681

experience with, that I could

emphasize with more than anyone else.

682

No, it's fucking the quick lay

from 30 minutes before her mission.

683

Laura: I guess he was famous

in whatever, 'cause he was some

684

pyramid guy, but come on, come on.

685

Xhafer: She banged messy

and now it's all a mess.

686

Laura: Super messy.

687

Yeah.

688

Xhafer: yeah.

689

Laura: Ah.

690

Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

691

I

692

Laura: So Kat did

693

Xhafer: it is.

694

Yeah.

695

Laura: We did it.

696

Xhafer: We uh, cut to

Galactic's pilot's galley.

697

Were there celebrating.

698

Kat has the top gun mug.

699

Laura: Okay.

700

Can we just acknowledge for one

second that the Galactica Top Gun

701

Beerstein is like the best possible?

702

Merch you could have from the show.

703

And if, if someone is not

selling that, we need to do it.

704

Like, oh my God, this thing is amazing.

705

Xhafer: I, you know, I didn't even think

to Google it but I found it already.

706

Laura: Hooray.

707

We, I need one, like I needed to

go next to my Babylon five mug.

708

It's

709

brilliant.

710

Xhafer: oh no, how old is this?

711

I found a live journal post

about a company selling them.

712

Laura: Is live Journal still alive?

713

Is it still live?

714

Xhafer: the website's still working.

715

It was quantum mechanics, so I

knew we were making sci-fi props

716

and selling 'em for a while.

717

Um, it linked to a Facebook post.

718

I want to go to Quantum Mechanics website.

719

Let's see.

720

It's out of

721

Laura: the rabbit hole

722

Xhafer: Oh man, this is

gonna get crazy real quick.

723

Movie prop replicas.com

724

appears to have them for $60 right now.

725

Laura: noise, noise.

726

Xhafer: It has the list of uh, people

who have had it on the side, by the

727

way, we, it's Pandora, Blondie, Digger,

SEDI Poker, Starbuck, and then Cat.

728

Laura: Oh, okay.

729

Xhafer: So it, it is up to

date to the end of the episode.

730

Laura: Nice.

731

Yeah.

732

Just, just for funds.

733

While you were doing that, I

also went to live journal.com

734

to see like what that's about these days.

735

Xhafer: yeah.

736

Laura: And the ad at the top of the page

is for passive income from Solana staking.

737

So this seems great and legit.

738

Yeah.

739

Yeah.

740

Let's keep working with that.

741

Xhafer: Quantum Mechanics is

still a website making stuff.

742

Laura: Oh, wow.

743

Xhafer: I'm gonna have to

dig around a little bit.

744

But their website does not exist anymore,

745

Laura: Oh,

746

Xhafer: but they sell stuff

through other sites, it looks like.

747

Laura: Okay.

748

All right.

749

No, uh, um, Aaron's dad was one of those

like beerstein collectors and so we do

750

have some of, of his beerstein from his

collection and I was like, how great

751

would it be to like display the few,

you know, beer steins we have from dad's

752

collection next to the top gun cup.

753

Xhafer: I have one right now in my

collection, um, and it is my dad's.

754

Laura: It's always dads.

755

Xhafer: it's always dad's.

756

Well, my dad, when he was in high school

my grandpa was stationed in Germany for

757

a year and he brought the family over.

758

So my dad spent his sophomore

year of high school in Germany

759

Laura: Nice.

760

Xhafer: and he got a job

literally shoveling shit.

761

I think like helping out on

a farm outside of Berlin.

762

To save up money.

763

And he bought this Stein, that

was like his first paycheck.

764

Laura: It's dad's shit, Stein.

765

Xhafer: It's,

766

Laura: I'm sorry, that was,

that was not appropriate.

767

I should not have

768

said that.

769

Xhafer: it's, it's, it's pretty funny.

770

I don't know.

771

He, I don't know if he was

actually shoveling shit.

772

He might have been

poking hay or something.

773

He was, I believe he was helping

out on a farm is the story though.

774

It's

775

Laura: fun to make that

part of the legend.

776

Yeah,

777

Xhafer: Yeah.

778

A big thing with my dad was

embellishing and adding things to

779

stories that definitely weren't true.

780

So I think it's in his spirit

to, to make it that he was

781

Laura: I think we've settled it.

782

Yeah.

783

Xhafer: That, that will

be, that will be the story.

784

Future generations here.

785

Laura: Brilliant.

786

Xhafer: yeah.

787

Laura: Yeah.

788

So, uh, Kat's got the top gun

cap, the shit Stein, if you will.

789

And uh, she demands that Starbuck fill it.

790

And Starbuck to her credit does the thing.

791

She fills it.

792

She tells Kat she earned it.

793

It's champagne.

794

It's not shit that she puts in there.

795

She calls a toast to every

pilot who's died so far and she

796

does remember all their names.

797

Xhafer: Yeah, she lists every single one.

798

Laura: Yeah.

799

And then I think we get

uh, a nice little adama.

800

So say we all moment

801

here.

802

yeah.

803

So we end this episode with star

Beast talking to Hilo again.

804

She's acknowledging her changes and that

she still has hope that Andrews is alive.

805

He says, yeah, cool.

806

I'm glad you found something to live for.

807

And then they play, fight

it off, two credits.

808

Xhafer: Yeah,

809

that's the episode.

810

Laura: to live for, I guess is

the theme of recent episodes

811

of Battlestar Galactica.

812

Xhafer: Yeah.

813

Uh, So, all that said uh,

what do you think of this one?

814

Laura: Well, it's certainly

better than black market, right?

815

I, I did find Scarface

a little comical, right?

816

Like something about the, the

shots that they, like zoom

817

in on his face and whatever.

818

I was like, I don't think you meant

this to be as funny as I find it.

819

But yeah, it was good.

820

I'd give it a nine.

821

Xhafer: Yeah, that's fair.

822

I think I'd give it a 10.

823

I really like this one.

824

Laura: Yeah, it's a lot

more fun than black market.

825

Xhafer: Yeah.

826

Well that's that episode.

827

Next up we have season

two, episode 16, sacrifice.

828

A woman takes hostages on Cloud nine

and demands a DAMA turn over Sharon in

829

order to avenge her husband's death.

830

We do have a guest coming on.

831

Laura: Yeah.

832

Xhafer: Ryan from Yum Yum

Podcast will be joining us.

833

Laura: I'm so excited.

834

Xhafer: Have you watched this episode yet?

835

Laura: I have, and I knew the moment

that Ryan had chosen it, that it

836

had to feature Miss Ellen Tai in.

837

Its at least somewhat, and I was

a little afraid it was going to be

838

just totally Ellen Tai episode and

I was going to be uncomfortable.

839

But no, not a total Ellen T episode,

but I look forward to robust discussion.

840

Xhafer: yeah, she's got

a couple moments in it.

841

We'll see if we can find a

piece of merch outta that one.

842

Speaking of which, hey, merch shop.

843

We got one of those.

844

We'll hop at her pods, go on the Etsy.

845

You can get t-shirts

and stickers and stuff.

846

It's a good time.

847

Laura: Mm-hmm.

848

Mugs are holding up.

849

Well, I'm happy to report.

850

Xhafer: Good.

851

Good.

852

We, we uh, I was thinking about

getting one, although I did, I,

853

I made one that's unlisted in the

shop that no one can buy but us.

854

That is a screen cap of me and Discord

saying, oh no, I did the math again.

855

And I want to order one for myself

and see how it turns out because

856

I think it's a little weird,

but it will become my work mug.

857

Laura: Do that.

858

No.

859

We got the, his and hers.

860

Uh, We love lease and.

861

Eat floor praise, velon

and lie combo there.

862

So both of those are

still holding up well.

863

I'm very pleased

864

Xhafer: That's great to hear.

865

I.

866

You know what else is great to hear?

867

Jeremy Siegel's name.

868

Laura: always, not just

his name but his music.

869

Xhafer: Oh, that's so good.

870

Thank you so much for

composing our theme music.

871

Jeremy.

872

We appreciate you so much.

873

Uh, You can find more at Jeremy's work

at Jeremy Siegel 40 two.bandcamp.com

874

and on streaming services

is nuclear Jaguar.

875

Laura: And you know it's great to see

876

Xhafer: Hmm.

877

Laura: the artwork of angry

duck time machine on Instagram.

878

Xhafer: hundred percent

879

Laura: Always cute.

880

Always great.

881

Xhafer: adores Aaron.

882

Neither seen nor heard, but

integral editing this podcast.

883

We appreciate the hell outta you buddy.

884

Thanks so much for putting all that time.

885

Laura: Yeah.

886

And all the editing you're

gonna have to do around my cat.

887

Sorry.

888

She's pretty cute though.

889

You know it 'cause you live with her.

890

Yeah.

891

And thanks listener

for being here with us.

892

Uh, We would love it if you would join us

over in the Discord and come have a chat.

893

It's a cool

894

Xhafer: club is going strong.

895

Laura: Yes.

896

Oh, we might even have an

actual book club discussion.

897

I'm so excited.

898

Xhafer: Yeah, hopefully sometime

uh, next week as of recording, as of

899

listening, you've already missed it.

900

But we would be picking the second book.

901

To start reading, I think right

around when this episode comes out.

902

So, we'll have just finished our

discussions on Carl Sagan's, Sagan's

903

contact, Sagan's Contact, and we don't

know what we're reading next yet, but

904

by the time this episode airs, we will.

905

Laura: Yeah, and I, for one, I don't

think I've ever actually seen contact.

906

Maybe I've seen parts of contact, but I

don't think I've seen the whole thing.

907

So I actually did the assignment and

I got the audio book for contact,

908

and it was quite, quite enjoyable.

909

Alright, well I think that does

it for a podcast this week,

910

Xhafer: Alright, we'll see you next week.

911

Internet.

912

Laura: Bye.