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The Judgmental Podcast – Episode 18: Field Trip (On Location in California)
In this special on-location episode, hosts Hugh and Christine take The Judgmental Podcast to Orange County, California, for a deep dive into the state’s family court system. Broadcasting amidst a nationwide protest and documentary filming, they share firsthand accounts and interviews with parents, attorneys, and advocates fighting for judicial accountability and transparency.
Key Topics:
- Shocking stories from California’s family courts, including prolonged ex parte orders, lack of hearings, and the impact on families.
- The role and power of custodial evaluators, “730 evaluations,” and the challenges of navigating the system.
- Comparisons between California and Kentucky court practices, highlighting systemic issues across jurisdictions.
- The ongoing nationwide protest for family court reform, with live updates from Orange County and beyond.
- Listener engagement: California is the podcast’s second-largest audience, and the hosts share messages from local listeners and supporters.
- Behind-the-scenes moments from the documentary shoot, including adventures in an RV and the energy of protest days.
- A call to action for greater transparency, accountability, and reform in family courts everywhere.
Notable Moments:
- Personal stories from parents affected by the system.
- Reflections on the emotional toll of legal advocacy.
- A look at the broader movement for change, with listeners from across the country reaching out.
- Teasers for upcoming episodes and exclusive YouTube Q&A content.
Connect with Us:
- Visit judge-y.com for more episodes and resources.
- Subscribe to our YouTube channel for exclusive content.
- Join the conversation and share your story—change starts with awareness!
Thank you for listening to this special episode of The Judgmental Podcast, recorded on the ground in California. Stay tuned for more field reports and in-depth discussions on the fight for justice in family courts nationwide.
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You are listening to The Judgemental Podcast.
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:Hugh: We're Hugh and Christine, the
Minds Behind Judgy, the revolutionary app
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:that empowers you to judge the judges.
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:Christine: It's past time for
judicial accountability and
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:transparency within the courts.
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:Hugh: Prepare for sharp insights, candid
critiques, and unshakable honesty from
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:two lawyers determined to save the system.
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:Speaker 3: We need some justice.
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:Justice, my fine justice.
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:And I wanna ring, be in public.
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:I wanna ring, be in public crowd.
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:Yeah.
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:Live-Mix Edited: All right.
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:Welcome to the Judgmental Podcast,
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:4_CAMERA 4: I am in Orange
County, California, sufficiently
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:Live-Mix Edited: traumatized.
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:4_CAMERA 4: thought that
Kentucky Family Court was bad.
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:Live-Mix Edited: um, but I've
never seen anything like this.
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:You,
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:4_CAMERA 4: It
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:Live-Mix Edited: sounds like it.
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:So tell me, tell me a
couple stories if you can.
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:Well, I mean, and
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:4_CAMERA 4: let me be
clear, I haven't seen
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:Live-Mix Edited: it because,
uh, for the most part, I don't
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:4_CAMERA 4: people are allowed
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:Live-Mix Edited: in there and there's
no cameras allowed in courtrooms at all.
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:Like there are no video
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:4_CAMERA 4: of family court
in California anywhere at all.
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:But
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:Live-Mix Edited: But you've, you've
told me stories of people that have
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:been, uh, kept from seeing their child
unsupervised for better part of a year and
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:have never gotten to even have a hearing
or, or speak in front of the court.
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:I've got a mom that
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:4_CAMERA 4: um, without ever testifying
in court based on an ex parte order that
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going and going and going.
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:No criminal charges.
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:4_CAMERA 4: And I, this is like so sad.
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:Live-Mix Edited: This is what I told you.
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:I was like trying to trial prep with her.
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:4_CAMERA 4: can you
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your name for the record?
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:4_CAMERA 4: old are you?
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:Live-Mix Edited: Name your child,
you know, who's his or her teacher?
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:4_CAMERA 4: person was
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I've never had a lawyer do
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more than six figures
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were telling him about have, uh,
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court in any way, shape or form.
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you could tell looking at
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'cause you know, as lawyers we're
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how to control the narrative.
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you get in front of a judge, you may
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:You don't
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hole of something that happened six years
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:4_CAMERA 4: That's
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relevant to like, best interest of
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attorney has prepped her, nor this case
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how that's, how that's possible.
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about a child's best interest
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our understanding of best interest
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I, I think they're fairly uniform
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the parent are relevant to
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don't hear from a parent at all, and
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keep moving the carrot.
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for three months, then
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back and there's something else
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we've gotta have a serious
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traumatizing children based on ex
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yeah, it's pretty, uh, pretty shocking.
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parte order, and then it gets, you know,
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seem to go away, and then it just, mm-hmm.
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you come back and it just keeps,
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won't tell you what you need to do to
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temporary restraining order lifted and.
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often in Kentucky as well.
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where we predominantly practiced is,
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a whole hell of a lot of ex parte
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temporary orders, I mean.
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without any hearing, um, based on the
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by a friend of court or a guardian.
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parenting time or drastically modify
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go by and then all of a sudden you
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temporary orders and you don't
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happening all over California.
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absolutely do have a right.
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is like wild, wild west.
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me to see this happen where
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the judges, we know the people,
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conversation with these commissioners,
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you know, I like our own bias
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know so and so works harder.
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:I've had a conversation, but here saying
it, it's like too far removed for me.
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gonna happen in Kentucky.
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appointments just grow and grow and grow.
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are they largely from within the court?
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forming until wicked late.
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we've talked about this before,
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to be a therapist.
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don't prefer, like, I
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job is to give legal advice.
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law and this is how you
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income, like outcome.
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I've heard are, yeah, I
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did you end up in California?
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protest and we are currently filming
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to talk about the need
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happening in family courts all over.
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here recording in Orange
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was a TV show about Orange County.
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Bravo girl all day, every day.
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woman, which I guarantee you
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don't know, but I was
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that reference, but, alright.
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actually California is
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numbers, but is our second state
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people being like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad
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be like, listen, I'm
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expected tomorrow at the protest?
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don't know, there's been three days
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plus views on that.
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actually the sneaker guy
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you, which you don't know.
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podcast a lot and he really likes
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person or he is in New Jersey?
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just would like to see, I'm
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there a little early and
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walk around and get a feel for
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which court specifically is, is it?
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from other people's videos?
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abuse charges involving
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for the appointment of third parties.
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friend of court, how GS are treated,
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bill and they won't do it.
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family court system is that it's a
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machine, this machine that just chews
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they're just stuck in this system
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don't have other people that
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