In this edition of the Daily Bible Podcast, Pastor PJ and Pastor Rod discuss a range of topics, starting with a humorous note about a 404 page on the White House website, and moving on to current aviation concerns. The main focus, however, is on various interpretations and translations of the Bible, particularly the new 'Upside Down Kingdom Bible' and the factors one should consider when choosing a Bible. The discussion critically examines how different theological perspectives influence Bible translation and interpretation, emphasizing the importance of fidelity to the original texts. Additionally, the hosts delve into Exodus chapters 10-12, discussing the plagues on Egypt, the hardening of Pharaoh's heart by God, the concept of Passover, and the difficulties of interpreting large numbers in the ancient texts. Finally, they stress the importance of textual criticism and maintaining faith in the Bible’s accuracy despite these challenges.

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:24 Current Events and Aviation Issues

01:01 Discussion on Diversity Bible

01:42 Bible Translation and Interpretation

05:47 Role of Authority in Christian Life

08:43 Exodus 10-12: Plagues and Passover

18:13 Concluding Thoughts and Prayer

20:07 Outro and Podcast Information

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Everybody, welcome to another

edition of the daily Bible podcast.

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This is the podcast that is looking

to the future Unburdened by what has

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been on unburdened by what has been

yes Did you see the white house website

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that showed a 404 page, you know how

you get a 404 That's something that

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isn't there anymore And it says This

page is unburdened by what has been

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really funny because I think it was

directed to the last administration.

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It sounds like it Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a new day.

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There's a lot coming out right now from

from Washington, which is which is nuts.

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A lot of scary stuff to aviation

issues for the last several days.

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What's happening there?

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It, somebody said there's a lot of

plane crashes that happen every day.

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There's multiple plane crashes, small

plane crashes that happen every day, but

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that we're more aware of it now because

of what happened in DC with the Potomac.

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Maybe.

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And perhaps some of those crashes

have been a little more high

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profile than a passenger, a Cessna,

it's not a Cessna going down.

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It's something, these are big

planes and they're a black Hawk.

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That, that's unusual.

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Yeah.

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The military is withholding the ID

of the pilot flying the black Hawk.

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Oh yeah.

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Apparently based on the family's request.

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Cause they didn't want sure.

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You don't want that kind of attention.

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But someone suggested who happens to

live in the White House that perhaps

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it was related to a DEI initiative

that hired certain people, right?

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Because of certain diversity

efforts, which I saw recently,

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there's a diversity Bible.

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Actually, it's not called that.

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It's called the upside down kingdom

Bible that's produced by Zondervan.

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Yeah.

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And Zondervan is known for producing

a lot of counterpoint point books.

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And the talk to us about

that diversity Bible.

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That's the moniker people

are using to disparage it.

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But should we put any stock into a Bible?

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That's called the upside down kingdom.

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The general editor is someone that,

Preston Sprinkle, not personally, but

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someone that you know about at least sure.

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And the staff of contributors are

people that probably, I don't know.

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I don't even, I didn't know anybody.

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I know Preston's name.

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I don't know anybody else,

but an upside down Bible.

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What do you think about that?

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Yeah, for me, anytime I'm looking

for a Bible that I'm going to

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use on a regular basis, I want

fidelity to the original languages.

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That's my main concern.

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And if somebody is coming to a text

with a bias, with a, with something

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that they want to, Prove and this

is not just the diversity Bible.

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This could be a particular Theological

bent this could be somebody that's coming

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to the text with a covenantal perspective

versus dispensational perspective I

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mean you have to be aware no matter

what translation that you pick up that

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the Bible that you're reading is being

filtered through Somebody's worldview the

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editors the translators those that are

working with the text and what you want

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is you want somebody that's gonna do the

best job to be as faithful as possible

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to what the original authors intended.

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So anytime somebody is trying

to take something like DEI and

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shoehorn it into Bible and bring

that commentary to the Bible.

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I mean that's something that I don't

think was anywhere even close to

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the radar of the original intent of

God nor the original human authors

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as they're writing the scriptures.

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So they said though they're looking to

they're looking to bring on diverse voices

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to help elucidate what the text is saying.

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At least that's the stated

intention their value.

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One of the first values

is diversity, right?

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And again, I'm going to go back to you.

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It doesn't matter what your background is.

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Yeah.

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What matters is the text.

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What is the objective?

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We understand it correctly, right?

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And so I don't need somebody that's

got a different background than me to

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give me a different shade of meaning

on the text especially as we're trying

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to pander and yeah, you mentioned

that Sprinkle that gets my dander up.

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I Cards on the table.

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I don't like press got a lot of

dandruff coming off your head right now.

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I see it Yeah, I don't like Preston.

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I just say it outright.

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I think he's provocative and I

think he sticks the eye in his own

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camp on, sticks the finger in the

eye of his own camp on purpose.

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I think there are better voices

out there that try to do similar

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things to what he tries to do.

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I think he's irresponsible

in what he does.

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So yeah, that's.

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It's in my personal opinion, it's fighting

an uphill battle just by association

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with him What about something like

the reformation study bible that's

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primarily the ligonier folks Those are

presbyterians or even the esv study bible.

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You have a lot of reformed voices.

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Many of them are also presbyterian

Or the one the dispensational bible

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that you alluded to the one that was

all the rage I forget the name of

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scofield Ryery and the scofield study

bible with all the signs and symbols.

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I got one of those as a gift a long time

ago Yeah, and talk about some of those

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Bibles though, because those have a very

unique slant and yeah, and yet you would

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still recommend them, I think, right?

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Many of them anyway.

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Yeah, because we're dealing with

issues that the text brings up.

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If we want to go to, Micah and talk about

what does the Lord require of you, but

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to do justice, to love mercy, to walk

humbly with your God and say, is there

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a place for justice as a concern for

the Christian in our current context?

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Yeah, there is because the

Bible has a concern for it.

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But we're going to define

justice as far as what's the

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ultimate concern that God has.

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The ultimate concern that God

has is the justice is relates

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to his character, who he is, and

ultimately coming back to the gospel.

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Yeah.

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When we're dealing with theological

frameworks, those Bibles can be helpful

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but at the same time, and even the ESV

study Bible, great resource, we use

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it and recommend it all the time, but

there's going to be parts of it that

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we're going to come to that I'm going

to look at and say, you know what?

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I'm not going to consult the ESV

or give it as much credence here

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because they're going to come

from a different perspective.

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Understanding a different

hermeneutical understanding of that

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particular passage than we will.

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And what we're mainly dealing

with there is covenant versus

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dispensational with the ESV editors.

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How can a layman expect to be aware

of some of those flags, right?

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You and I could know because we have some

training, but if we're going to talk to

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our church and say, Hey, beware of this

particular part of the Bible, they're

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just gonna say I'm just reading it.

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And these are the notes in my Bible.

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How could they be misleading me?

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That's the important, even

write what you said right there.

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These are the notes in my Bible.

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Your notes are not inspired.

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Your notes are not authoritative.

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They are human contributions

there that the work of editors and

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committees, and it's like picking up a

commentary or listening to a podcast.

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It's not to be given the same

authority as the actual scripture.

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That is, is contained

in the books themselves.

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So whether that's you reading MacArthur

or you're reading the ESV study

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Bible or you're reading the Ryrie

Schofield, whatever it is, these

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notes are simply notes, their helps,

but they need to be treated that way.

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And part of it is on us as pastors of

our church to make sure that we are

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clear in helping our church understand

where we fall and why we fall where

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we fall so that If they come across

something in a study Bible that they

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would say, Oh, I don't know if Pastor

PJ and Pastor Rob would agree with this.

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They can come to us and say, Hey,

what are your thoughts on this?

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Cause we're more than willing to have

that conversation and talk through

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these things and help people go,

Hey, I read this in my study Bible.

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Can you help me understand what

the authors were saying there?

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And we're happy to have

that conversation with you.

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Talk then about, lastly, talk

then about the role that authority

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plays in the life of the Christian.

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I can, we were going to say you're saying

go to the Bible, be a good Berean, study,

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show yourself approved, as the King James

says, you're to know the Bible and to

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let the Bible master your understanding.

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But there are men who are godlier and

smarter and more studied than A lot of us,

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we're going to look at that and say man,

how do I guess if John MacArthur thinks

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that, then who am I to disagree with him?

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And yes, I should let the word be the

primary decipher of my understanding,

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but man, MacArthur's understanding

of that passage seems pretty legit.

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And yet MacArthur and Sproul are

on two different pages on this one.

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In some cases, literally,

how do you navigate that?

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What degree of authority do I give

these men that I respect and trust?

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What degree of authority does the

pastor have in helping to shape

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my understanding of the text?

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Because I may disagree with even you guys.

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I don't know if I agree with you

on what you just said about that.

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How do I do this dance?

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I can't remember exactly the way the

old statement goes, but there's an

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old statement that has been around

since the early church fathers that

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says in essentials unity in, Non

essentials charity in all things, I

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think it was all things, charity, all

things, charity and non essentials.

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I can't remember what

the non essentials is.

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Liberty.

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Maybe that's what the non essentials is.

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Yeah.

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So that's it.

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In essentials, unity and non essentials,

liberty in all things, grace or charity.

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And I think that's how we have to

approach it at the end of the day.

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It's going to be left to you to decide,

okay you've got, maybe let's take the

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issue of baptism, but MacArthur saying,

Hey, believers, baptism, credo baptism.

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That's what we should do.

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Sproul would have said

infant baptism, pedo baptism.

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That's what is the right thing to do.

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Baptizing babies.

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You've got, there's a liberty because

this is a non essential in the sense

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that none of, neither of those men

are going to say baptism is necessary

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to be To save you a water baptism.

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So you've got the liberty in a non

essential to be able to read the

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text and land on that yourself.

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And this is where we go.

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When we talk about a church, you

really want to be in agreement with

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the church that you're attending

and the pastors of that church in

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a lot of those secondary issues.

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A lot of those non essential issues,

I would say, or it's still important

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for you to be in agreement only

because you don't want every sermon

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to create friction between you and

the pastor that you're sitting under.

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But that said if you were to come to

us, come to me and say, Hey Pastor PJ, I

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appreciate your position on baptism that

you're a credo Baptist believers baptism.

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I'm leaning more towards the pedo

Baptist side of things and the

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credo Baptist side of things.

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Does that mean I have to leave the church?

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I would say absolutely not.

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No, a hundred percent.

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You can be part of our fellowship and

fellowship amongst us and be fine.

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And.

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Yet I would say if you've got a

list of things, if you've got 10

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things going, okay, and I also

disagree with this, and this and

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these are all non essential issues.

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Yeah.

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Maybe you want to consider looking

around to another body of believers

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only because again, I think the friction

points between you and being able to

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grow as a believer are going to be

too high to stay in that one church.

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So there's freedom to say

MacArthur disagrees with Sproul.

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What does the Bible say?

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What do I think is the stronger argument?

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And what do I think as we're going

to talk about even this Sunday

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a little bit what is the spirit?

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Within me, helping me to understand

illuminating, helping me to see in the

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text that what I agree with one over the

other, and you're going to land on that.

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And then you're going to hold it open

handedly unless it's an essential issue.

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And that one we're going

to hold with a closed fist.

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Amen to that.

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So much more to say about that,

but let's jump into the text.

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Yeah, let's do this 10 through 12.

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Exodus 10 through 12 chapter 10,

we get plagues eight and nine.

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Plague eight is the plague of

the locusts and then plague

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nine, the plague of darkness.

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Early in this chapter, God again,

confirms that he was behind the

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hardening in order that he might get

glory, even as the Israelites tell

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their future generations, these things.

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That's something that's

super difficult for us.

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Again, the Romans nine, Idea is

behind a lot of what's going on here.

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God hardening Pharaoh's hearts.

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We're going to see in a couple of

days here that he not only hardens

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Pharaoh's heart, but also the

hearts of all of the Egyptian army

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during the actual Exodus itself.

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But here again, God is explaining that

he is hardening the heart of Pharaoh

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in order that he might get glory, even

as the Israelites are able to tell

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their future generations, these things.

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So that's the wrinkle that's

introduced here is, Hey, you know what?

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Moses, understand that we're doing

this and this is going to be so drawn

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out so that you can relay these things

to your offspring and the offspring

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that are going to come from them.

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And they will always know this story.

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And certainly that's come to pass.

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So as chapter 10, as things progress

and move toward the 10th and final

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plague, it's God who is now the one

actively hardening Pharaoh's heart.

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We've been going back and forth in

the situation here where sometimes

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it's Pharaoh, sometimes it's God.

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Really, I think from this time on, if I'm

not mistaking, I think God is the actor.

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I think he's the one that is.

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Actively hardening Pharaoh's heart rather

than Pharaoh hardening his own heart.

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And again, Romans nine is running in

the background on this that God told

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Pharaoh, for this reason, I'm raising

you up that I might get glory over you.

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So difficult things for us to wrap our

minds around, but that's what's going on

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in chapter 10, plagues eight and plagues

nine locusts and darkness chapter 11.

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Then God brings Moses in on the

fullness of his plan all along.

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God knew the interactions between

Moses and Pharaoh were going to

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lead to this point, but to the

death of the firstborn which is.

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Again, one of those things that's

difficult for us that God was ordaining

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everything to get to one of the darkest

days in the history of all Egypt,

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I would imagine even still today.

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And that brings up a point.

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We don't really have anything in Egyptian

history that validates any of this.

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And there's been people that have pointed

to that and even lack of evidence of

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the Israelites in Egypt to begin with

and said, Hey, doesn't that suggest

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that maybe this is all fabricated.

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This is.

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This never happened.

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If there were really this many

people in Israel or in Egypt,

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wouldn't there be evidence of that?

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I think we touched on that a little bit

last year that Egypt was a proud nation.

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And if you look at their obelisks

and things like that they celebrate

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their victories, not their defeats.

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And certainly this was a defeat.

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We all do.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And certainly this was a defeat for not

only Egypt but pharaoh himself and they

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would have tried to bury this as much

as possible But god is saying this is

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all leading to what i'm about to do with

the death of the firstborn And so he had

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hardened pharaoh's heart and now he was

going to get his glory over him in chapter

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11 to you also have god warning pharaoh

before he acts upon him and before he acts

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upon the people So even in this there's a

there's mercy that's given to the people

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god cares about the egyptians Even though

they've been hardened against him and

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he's giving them one final chance to You

Acknowledge his rulership to acknowledge

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his lordship He says here in verse seven

that you may know that the lord makes a

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distinction between egypt and israel So

he's going to say i'm drawing a line.

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That's Impossible to miss so I think

that's a really It's a glimmer of

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light in a very dark scene, right?

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and he Then proceeds to give

instructions for what we know as the

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passover Notice in verse four he says

I will go out in the midst of Egypt.

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And so this is an act of God.

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God is the one that is going out

and every firstborn in the land

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of Egypt, verse five, she'll die.

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The firstborn of Pharaoh all

the way down to the firstborn of

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the cattle in God is the actor.

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God is the agent of this

death that is coming.

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And so in as the chapter continues to

progress and in chapter 11 here, we get

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the instructions for how Israel was to

prevent the death of their own firstborn.

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And the Passover observance

and then the Passover feast

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instructions are given here.

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But one thing that's interesting,

we talk about Passover a lot and I

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know in my mind, I've always thought

passing over being skipping over.

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But I it's it seems to be more of a

covering over that god is going to

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pass over in a protect protective

sense To prevent the death of the

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firstborn in there Look at verse 23

for the lord will pass through To

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strike the egyptians and when he sees

the blood on the lintel and on the two

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doorposts The lord will pass over the

door and will not allow The destroyer

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to enter your houses to strike you.

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So this is really a protective covering

the passing over is not a skipping but

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a But really the Lord is passing over

in a protective sense, passing over

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the house to prevent the destroyer

from entering the house, to take the

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life of the firstborn, which gives us a

more personal sense of God's protection

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for his people in this this right.

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You're right on that because

they have to participate.

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In receiving that protection,

it's not just that they're

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sitting by and letting it happen.

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It's not passive on either

party's sense because they have

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to do something to acknowledge.

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Yes, we need that.

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They cover their doorposts and their

lentils with the blood of the lamb.

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And of course that foreshadows the

future of Christ's relationship

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with us under the new covenant.

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For sure.

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Rest of chapter 12, then

verses 29 through 42.

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We get the 10th plague.

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And as the 10th plague comes in here

this is the plague of the firstborn

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Pharaoh after the death of his firstborn

and also the firstborn of the others

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in Egypt, he temporarily relents here.

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This is, he's had enough at least for now.

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And this is the beginning

of the Exodus here.

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If you note in verse 30, it

gives an idea of the scope here.

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It says there was not a house

where someone was not dead.

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This is this is again, one of the

darkest days in all of Egypt's history.

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It's of note here in, in verse 37, it

says that the people of Israel journal

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journey from Ramses to suck off.

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And I don't think we've, or Sukkoth, I

don't think we've hit on it yet really

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in depth pastor but 600, 000 men, that's

roughly the, this, a similar number shows

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up in numbers and that would put them

anywhere from two to 3 million people.

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That's a, it's a massive force

and the people, and there's

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some problems with that.

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Mainly one of the problems

being that there's.

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Other evidence that israel was the seventh

largest or seventh smallest However, you

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want to look at it nation in canaan So

that would have implied that there were

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at least six more Nations peoples larger

than two to three million people in a land

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mass that's significantly smaller Than

for example, texas is so you're dealing

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with a massive population Working through

the desert, tight, constricted areas.

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Yeah, the list of issues goes on.

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The amount of food necessary.

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And how many miracles it takes to

do the thing that God is saying.

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And as one person put it recently,

we don't want to multiply

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miracles where we shouldn't.

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We don't want to put words into God's

mouth that he's not trying to say.

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And by the way, the text

that you're referencing in

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Numbers is Numbers chapter 1.

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Verse 46, the number that they're

recorded there is 600, 3, 550.

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So that's a lot of people.

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And that's just the men.

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That's the, that's men of fighting

age, which is how we get the number two

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to 3 million because you're including

women and children at that point.

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And also older men would also

be included in that number.

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So you're looking at a very large

number and a lot of people have

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suggested that maybe this is hyperbolic.

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It's meant to it's a way for

god to say This is my people.

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They're they're small, but they're

impressive in different ways or

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something like that what's the

best take on a text like this?

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What's the best approach given

the myriad of potential issues at

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least from a human perspective?

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Yeah, there really is no best approach

that buttons it up and that's why

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this is still a controversy what's

your take Man it's I don't know.

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I don't know at this point.

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Somebody else's has said, the

word there can also for thousand

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can also mean tribe or clan.

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So there could have been 600 tribes and

clans that left or clans that are, under

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the 12 tribes, there's 600 families in

this, that's probably more palatable

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to, to look at that and say, okay, maybe

that's the way we should understand this.

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The reason I say, I don't know is because

It's the text says what the text says.

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The text says 600, 000 number

says 600, 000 I understand the

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difficulties in that I just.

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I don't know.

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I don't want to land on something

hard and say it's tribes or it's

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clans and have that be wrong as well.

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And in misinformed people and misinformed

my own understanding of the word of God.

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I think what we need to do is say, man,

God did regardless of how many there were.

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This is a miracle.

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What God's doing here.

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He's delivering his people.

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He's feeding his people.

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We're going to see how he provides for

his people supernaturally along the way.

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And he's fulfilling

the Abrahamic covenant.

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He's turning them into a

nation and he has done this.

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He took the 70 that were initially there

and whether it's 600, 000 or 600 he has

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built himself, formed himself a people

for his own possession, a nation that

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he's going to now take in and begin his

history with from this point forward.

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That posture is somewhat foreign.

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I think the idea to say,

look, I'm not entirely sure.

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We're in it.

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There's a case to be made either way.

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Let's do our best to put our, ourselves

in the shoes of someone who's a layman.

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And it says, but my Bible is that

they're counting numbers here.

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Pastor PJ there's the numbers, chapter

one, the numbers, all the people

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adds them up what would be a good

resource or maybe just a way to think

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about it for the average person who

doesn't have the Hebrew background,

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doesn't know the Greek language.

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And it's just saying, but

my Bible has that number.

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Why would you deny that?

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It seems like you're rejecting the

clear, plain teaching of the scripture.

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Yeah, I think there's a super

helpful article and something

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that's a free resource for you

called the Faithlife Study Bible.

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If you go to Exodus 1237, which is

where we get that number if you go

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to Exodus 1237 in your Faithlife

Study Bible, which is available

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for you on Logos Bible Software for

free, there's an entire article.

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It's a separate article.

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link there from that verse that

will link you to this article.

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And this article is written by a guy

named Michael Heiser, who actually just

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recently passed away, I believe last year.

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And it's called large numbers in the

Exodus and the wilderness journey.

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He does a decent job of

going through and explaining.

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Even getting into the original language,

here's why the original language is

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not as cut and dry to just say this

is thousand period end of story.

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It's thousand, which means

there were 2 million people.

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Let's just build our

bridge and get over it.

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I think he does a good job

of going through and saying,

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here's what it could be.

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Here's the problem.

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Here's some of the solutions

that are out there.

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And even Heiser at the end of it doesn't

necessarily come down and say, and this

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has got to be, it's got to be this one.

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Yeah.

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So I think this is one of those things

we hold with a loose hand and it

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doesn't, and yet at the same time,

nobody, this does not disprove the

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inerrancy and authority of scripture.

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That's right.

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This does not undermine

anything that God is doing here.

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Whether it's, whether it is 2 million

people or it's 600 clans within 12 tribes.

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It doesn't undermine what God is doing.

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God is the rest of the story

of the Exodus is intact.

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And what God is doing

with his people is intact.

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And the greater Exodus in Christ

at the cross is still foreshadowed

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in what he's doing right now.

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So talk to the person who says

what else don't we know that if we

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can undermine something like this,

that seems so clear and obvious.

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Is there anything else in my

Bible that I should be afraid of?

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That isn't true or it doesn't isn't the

full story that i'm aware of right and

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that's where we get into Textual criticism

is so developed and so advanced at this

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point We can say with confidence that

any of the variants there are going to

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come down to things like this They're

going to come down to this is a word

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in the hebrew that can mean thousand

or it can mean clan That's not going to

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Call into question any other Any ounce

of the framework of our doctrine and

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theology, Any variants that exist in

scripture, old testament and new testament

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alike are going to be minor like that.

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They're going to have copyist errors

or things like that we can look at that

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The bible is very well attested and you

can have a great level of confidence

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more so than homer's iliad and odyssey

And all of these books that are out

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there that are taught as valid in your

schools The manuscript evidence for the

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bible is blows those out of the water.

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And it's growing even still today.

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And even the greatest textual

and historical critics that are

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out there have not been able to

say, here's the gotcha moment.

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And that's that in and of itself

is telling for me and my book.

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And so the, are there

other variants out there?

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There are because why, because

we hold, like I said earlier, we

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hold translations, we hold copies.

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We don't hold the original documents that

Moses wrote on because those weren't.

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Preserved because of what

they're written on but we've

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got a great accurate facsimile.

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That's very close to what the original

was super helpful let's pray and Wrap

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this up that chapter 12 ends with some

rules for the foreigner who wants to

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observe that the Passover wish there

was a high bar For those foreigners,

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there's a high bar for those foreigners.

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We'll just leave it at that.

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You got to be committed Really?

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Yeah, I'm thankful for the new covenant.

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Amen to that.

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Let's pray God, help us to to have

humility as we approach the text and to

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be teachable and to look at the text from

eyes that are really desiring to, to know

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what you want us to take away from this.

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And so we thank you for

the accuracy of our Bibles.

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And we just pray that we would continue

to grow in our knowledge and understanding

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of you and be able to see the big picture.

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When sometimes the ground level, the

weeds are tall and it's hard and confusing

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sometimes help us to be able to grasp the

big picture of what you want us to learn.

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As we study your word,

we pray in Jesus name.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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All right, y'all.

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