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Episode 4: The Art of Small Talk - Cultivating Connection in Everyday Interactions
Episode 413th December 2025 • Angela's Living Room • Angela Anderson Knittel
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The episode centers on the profound significance of small conversations, which are often overlooked yet essential for fostering a sense of belonging and connection within our communities. I articulate that these seemingly trivial exchanges, such as greetings or compliments, serve as microdoses of social interaction that can alleviate feelings of loneliness and enhance our overall well-being. Through our dialogue, we explore how these brief interactions not only contribute to our emotional health but also lay the groundwork for deeper relationships over time. I emphasize that the art of small talk is not merely a social nicety, but a vital practice that strengthens the fabric of our social lives. Ultimately, we aim to inspire listeners to engage in these small conversations, recognizing their power to create meaningful connections in everyday encounters.

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Angela Anderson Knittle is a corporate trainer, theater director, mother, and natural guide who finds wisdom in everyday moments. She brings heartfelt clarity into conversations about connection, compassion, and personal growth. Angela’s Living Room is where her lived experiences become gentle, honest insight for anyone wanting deeper relationships.

Podcast website: https://angelas-living-room.captivate.fm

Takeaways:

  • Engaging in small conversations serves as a microdose of belonging, essential for reducing feelings of loneliness and enhancing our social connections.
  • Small talks, often dismissed as trivial, play a significant role in building trust and fostering relationships over time, leading to deeper connections.
  • The art of small conversations can be practiced in everyday encounters, such as with baristas or neighbors, providing opportunities to connect and relate.
  • Authentic connections emerge from repeated, low-stakes interactions, which cultivate familiarity and ultimately lead to a sense of community and belonging.
  • By using conversational tools and creative questions, we can enhance our ability to engage in meaningful small talks that deepen relationships.
  • Vulnerability in small conversations invites openness, fostering a space where genuine connections can develop organically over time.

Chapters:

  • 00:25 - Starting the Conversation
  • 01:05 - The Importance of Small Conversations
  • 13:00 - Exploring Vulnerability in Conversations
  • 17:01 - Understanding Connection and Communication
  • 21:32 - The Nature of Authentic Connection
  • 35:01 - Building Connections Through Small Interactions
  • 40:45 - Building Your Conversation Toolkit
  • 42:40 - Exploring Culinary Favorites
  • 50:46 - Engaging Conversations: The Art of Connecting

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Come on in.

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Welcome.

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Oh, I'm glad you're here.

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Please come in and have a seat.

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Let's see where the conversation takes us.

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Today we're going to talk about conversations.

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Not the big, difficult, scary, challenging conversations.

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But the little ones, the small conversations, the icebreakers, the.

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Moment to fill little conversations that we can have with.

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Everyone we encounter throughout our day, throughout our travels.

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Today we're going to talk about the art of small conversations.

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So why do these little chats matter?

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Why are they important.

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Maybe even more important than we give them credit for?

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Well, little chats, the small passing exchanges that we so very often dismiss, actually punch way above their weight class in terms of the impact that they can have on us across a number of different facets.

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Here's why they matter more than most people.

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People think.

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They represent.

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What I like to refer to as a microdose of belonging.

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Even a quick, nice shoes, great bag.

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Nice haircut, right?

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Those little things, the how's your morning going?

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Those are signals that we've been seeing.

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That little tiny recognition, it can reassure our brain that we're part of the social web, that.

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This is something that we are hardwired to crave, to need.

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That sense of connection, that sense of belonging to.

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They reduce our loneliness.

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Sometimes without us even noticing, right?

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It's just that.

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Little bit of I'm here, you're here, we're here, right?

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Studies show that short, casual interactions, like with a cashier, a bus driver, Uber Lyft driver, a customer service rep, they can lift our moods and buffer against isolation just as reliably and sometimes even more than deeper conversations.

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And those deeper conversations are so much harder to achieve anyway.

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These little conversations, they're available to us everywhere.

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We can refill our cup with these little sips of conversation and really feel noticed, feel that we're.

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Impacting and being impacted by our community.

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And what's even more important, more meaningful, is they can build trust and relationship over time.

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Little chunks, they stack up and they build themselves into something much more meaningful.

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The barista that you order your coffee from every day and you have that little bit of an exchange with the neighbor that you wave to when you go to check your mail or you're walking your dog.

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These tiny moments, they form a foundation for bigger, more supportive, more meaningful relationships.

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And those opportunities are everywhere that we frequent, wherever we are, whether that's the gym, the library, the store, the.

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Shops, the.

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The restaurants.

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The parks, right?

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Any place that we frequent, we have.

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All these little opportunities to connect, to converse, to replenish ourselves.

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In just these little incursions of connection.

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It's low stakes practice, right?

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Small talk is like conversational stretching for my gym rats out there.

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For the ones who like to get a good workout in, this is a conversational workout.

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It is warming up your social muscles with no pressure, right?

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It makes it so much easier to dive into the meaningful conversations when the time comes.

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Now, I know there's those of you out there who like to be strictly business and get right to the facts and right to the point.

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But you're shortchanging yourself when you don't engage in the formalities, in the little bit of pleasantry before we get down to business.

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Because it's those pleasantries, those small exchanges, the wife and kids, the family, the trip that you just got back from or the one that you're planning on, those little exchanges that we share.

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They stitch those relationships together so that when we get down to business, it can be more meaningful.

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We can plunge the depths deeper, we can get to the points more effectively, more authentically when we take the time to invest in our connection, in those little conversations, those starters, those icebreakers.

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And you know what else they'll do for us?

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They have a ripple effect.

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You ever taken a stone and tossed it into a still body of water, a puddle, a lake, and you watch how those ripples concentrically go out?

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Well, our kindness, those little conversations, those passing compliments to a random stranger, it doesn't just lift your mood, but now you've lifted the mood of that person that you've engaged with, that you connected with, and you've planted the seed for them to then share that same small connection with the next person they encounter.

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When you have a pleasant exchange with your barista ordering your grande mocha latte with extra foam, right?

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And you chat about how busy the day is, or how wild the weather's been, or any of those little pleasantries that we use to connect, you've just juiced them up a little bit so that when they greet the person in line behind you, they greet with the smile, the smile that you planted in them.

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They get to then share with the next person and help make that exchange a little bit better.

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It can be almost like a social contagion in the best possible way.

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Way.

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It's all about paying it forward, folks, right?

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Have you ever had the opportunity where you've been in a line and the person in front of you paid for your order?

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It's wild when that kind of thing happens.

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When somebody treats you randomly, out of nowhere and you can't help, but you were going to pay for your order anyway, so you go ahead and you pay for the order behind you, right?

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And that sort of thing can go on and on.

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It also reminds me of like the restaurants where you can go in and you can buy a hot coffee and a breakfast or a sandwich and put it on a board.

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So if somebody in need comes in and they don't have money, they can just grab a paid for meal.

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And.

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It'S these little acts that can have huge impact.

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It's like social glue that connects us, okay, small scale down in the.

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Building blocks of our relationships.

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In short, those little chats, they're not fluffy.

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They're the stitching that helps keep the social fabric from unraveling.

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It's the thread that binds us all together as a community.

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Hey there, buddy.

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Come on in and join the conversation.

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How can you turn small talk into real talk without it feeling forced?

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Well, there's a sweet spot.

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Moving from surfacy to something real in a way that feels natural.

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Not like you're yanking the wheel making a hard left turn into unchartered conversation.

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But there's a framework that we can use.

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It's conversational tools that we can use to build upon.

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You can keep it right in your back pocket.

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Pull it out when you need it.

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The first one is what I like to call listening for the glimmer.

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People usually will drop small hints.

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A sigh, a laugh, a quirky detail.

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It's an opening.

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It's an invitation to take the conversation a step further.

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So you greet your barista and place your order.

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Barista says, yeah, it's been a busy morning.

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You can always respond with busy in a good way or the kind that makes you wish you never got out of bed.

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Right?

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They have a choice.

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Then they can pick up the baton and banter back with you, or they can shut it down and move you along.

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Nobody's hurt, nobody's offended, you engaged.

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And they either accepted or they maintained professionalism and moved on.

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It's an open door.

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It's an invitation to come in.

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And then they get to choose.

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You're not interrogating them.

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You're inviting them to expand, explore, connect.

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Low stakes.

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No danger of being hurt, no danger of really being rejected.

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Because it wasn't a deep big ask.

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It was just a little question about their day.

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And you'd be surprised how many times folks will accept that invitation and go, definitely wish I was back in bed.

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Or no, this is the kind of busy that makes my morning fly.

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My shift's half over and before I know it, we'll be done.

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Time to go.

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So it all depends.

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So instead of.

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Not instead of.

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What I meant to say is.

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It'S an invitation.

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And if they choose to accept it, then great connection made and you can build on it a little more the next day and a little more the day after that.

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Sometimes it's hard to throw those out there, right?

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Because it feels vulnerable.

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Maybe it is.

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There's nothing wrong with a little bit of vulnerability because we can trade that vulnerability for connection.

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When we're just a little bit vulnerable.

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It's an instead of the door being cracked open, it's the door left standing open.

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With welcoming fragrances wafting out to invite you in.

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Right.

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So small talk can level up when we can give something genuine.

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And I don't mean overshare.

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You don't need to go into childhood traumas at the hello.

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Right.

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We're not looking for that.

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But instead, instead of saying, how was your week?

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You could try something like, well, this week's been a mixed bag.

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Productive but exhausting.

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How's yours treating you?

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Right.

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I gave a little.

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I'm not just asking you to give without offering something up in exchange.

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I'm sharing a little insight and I'm now inviting you to share some of yours.

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That honesty, it creates a space where we can get past the autopilot response of how was your day?

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Fine.

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How are you doing?

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Great.

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How can I help you?

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Right.

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If we want to break past that.

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So sometimes we have to offer a little.

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This week is kicking my behind.

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Hope it's doing better for you.

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They've invited in now to say whether their week is going great or they're right along with me.

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And this week is kicking hiney.

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Right.

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It's using a side door.

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Instead of taking a big leap into the conversation, rather than jumping straight into deep topics, we're going to slide into them through something light.

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So instead of.

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Seeing any good shows lately, which now I'm like, I don't know.

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What do you think is good?

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I don't know what you like.

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Right.

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A twist on that question could be something like, what do you usually look for in a story?

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What pulls you in?

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Because now, now, now I'm not, I'm not being asked to say whether something's good or not.

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And then if you watch it and don't like it, now I've wasted your time.

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Instead, this is something that gets to know a little bit about what draws me to a show.

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Right.

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How was your weekend?

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It's Great, thanks.

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It's a autopilot answer.

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Want to get off the autopilot instead?

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Ask.

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Do you have a go to way to recharge on your weekends?

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Well, you know, it could be hang with friends.

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I have.

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I have one friend.

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It's the strangest thing.

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I don't understand how it works, but the way she recharges is she cleans her house.

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Like scrubbing, like deep cleaning.

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You know, that.

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That makes you feel better.

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Not my ideal weekend.

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Not gonna lie.

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I recharge through creative endeavors.

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You know, I wanna be going to a play or rehearsing for a play, or I wanna be painting or I wanna be building something, or I want to be talking and connecting and having conversations with my friends and my family and my circle.

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These are the things I want to do.

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But there are people that they recharge by getting their chore list checked off.

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And that's fine.

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No judgments.

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Well, what makes you happy makes you happy.

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But how would I ever know if I don't ask deeper questions than how was your weekend?

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Right.

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Walk through life oblivious to the temperature of the room that we're entering.

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Read the room.

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If someone leans in, they add details.

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They ask you questions back, they volley with you.

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That's a green light.

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Charge forward, have fun with it.

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If they keep it short.

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Stay playful and light and don't push.

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Don't.

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Change curiosity into prying and nosiness.

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Right?

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There's a fine line.

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We want to make sure that we're engaging in these small chats, these mini conversations, these little microdoses of connection, that they're positively charged.

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Right?

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If we start getting insistent where somebody is feeling reserved or holding back, that can get really intrusive and it can cause damage instead of build connection.

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So we always want to make sure that you're really paying attention to what's being communicated back and how well your attempts are being received.

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Right?

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Don't take it personal just because somebody doesn't want to talk to you today.

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You don't know what battles they're fighting.

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You don't know what traumas they're dealing with.

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It may have nothing to do with you.

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So stop that right now, okay?

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It's not always about me, not always about you.

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Sometimes.

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Sometimes it's about them and what they're going through.

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And we need to allow space for people to.

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Keep to themselves, to be private, to be reserved, to step away and let's not be offended and hold it against them.

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Make sure you're taking a good temperature before you push forward.

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Once we've gotten a good temperature, and we know that we are engaging with somebody who wants to connect back with us.

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We're not flipping an instant switch here, folks.

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We are building a fluffy croissant through layers, layers, and layers.

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It's like the baklava of friendship.

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Okay, It's a little nutty.

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It's a little sticky and sweet.

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But it's lots of layers of building.

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It doesn't happen in an instant, and it takes dedication and work.

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But the end result, so worth it.

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Real talk doesn't mean heavy or serious.

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It means authentic.

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And you can get there gradually, one small conversation at a time.

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Now, when you're talking about the weather, I actually love rainy days.

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I love it now.

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I don't necessarily want them every day in a row for two weeks.

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Solid South Florida.

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What are we doing right now?

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Okay, it's enough.

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But I really do love the rainy day.

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I love it when the sky gets dark and everything feels cozy and you just want to stay in and cuddle up with a hot beverage and a good book or even better, have a friend swing by and you secure into a cozy conversation.

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All right.

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Folks, this is a stroll.

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It's not a sprint, okay?

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It's not about getting there fast.

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It's about getting there.

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In your time.

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It's about allowing the relationship that the time to cultivate and develop.

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We live in a world that demands instant connection, instant response.

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I want it now.

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It can't be fast enough.

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And that's not how human connection.

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Builds.

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It's not the way we work.

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If you connect really hot and heavy, real deep, real fast.

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Oftentimes, those relationships are super fragile, right?

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And they tend to shatter because they're not built on authenticity.

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They're built on a vibe, a moment, a feeling, hormone urge, if you will.

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Right?

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We let our passions get the best of us, folks, when really what we need to build is connection.

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We need time with each other.

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Small talk is a doorway.

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It's not a destination.

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The trick is noticing when somebody wants to step inside and join you in that conversation in that connection.

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Let's go ahead.

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I think we're at a good breaking point.

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We're going to take just a few moments, and we'll be right back with you to continue these little connections.

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Now back to Angela and the rest of the show.

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Welcome back.

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Sometimes you just need a good break.

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Nice little stretch.

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So what were we talking about again?

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Oh, yeah, those little conversations, those moments that we can share.

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Most of the meaningful connections that we make in life don't happen in big moments.

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I mean, big moments are great.

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I love a big moment.

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Big moments are awesome, but they're rare.

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That's what makes them big.

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And.

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That'S not where connection happens.

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That's where connection celebrated, right?

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That's where the joy of our connections has its.

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It's sparkle, right?

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But.

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Meaningful connections, they happen in quiet, ordinary moments.

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The quiet, ordinary moments are where most of the real glue in our human connection comes from.

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All right.

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Goodness.

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Here's why it hit so true.

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Big moments, like I said, they're rare.

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Birthdays, you get one of those a year.

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Okay.

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Weddings, if you're lucky, one in a life, maybe two.

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Most I've ever heard was what, five or six through a whole lifetime?

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Okay.

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Promotions, once every few years, if you're on a good upward track in your corporation.

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I mean, they matter.

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They're big, they're monumentous, they can be life altering.

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But they don't happen every day.

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The in betweens, that fills up 99% of our time.

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Those big moments, they're so rare in the grand scheme of things.

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Ordinary.

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Those ordinary moments, those are authentic.

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It's when no one's performing, right?

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Those big moments, I mean, your wedding day.

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You notably take extra care to make sure every single thing is perfect.

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That's not how we live life.

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I don't live life perfect.

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Do you live life perfect?

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If you're going to tell me you do, I'm going to call you a liar right to your face.

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Just so you know.

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I won't say it behind your back.

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I will laugh at you and call you a liar to your face.

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Because perfection is a construct.

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It doesn't even exist.

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It's not real.

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Because what's perfect to me will be flawed to you.

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And what's perfect to you isn't going to cut it for me.

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Perfection is elusive, right?

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It's unattainable.

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Authentic is real and flawed and quirky and messy and dirty and sweaty sometimes and smelly sometimes and funny a lot of the times and painful sometimes and uncomfortable sometimes.

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And it's all of those things that's real, all right.

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It's conversations that happen in grocery lines or on commutes.

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When walking your Dog that shows you who you really are as you move through the world, how you treat people who don't impact your life, show you who you are as you move through the world.

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Right?

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Repetition builds trust.

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A thousand small nods, waves, smiles, casual chats and random compliments will slowly stack up and build into familiarity.

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And then familiarity morphs into belonging.

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And there's where we get community.

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Communities that bind together when things are tough, that step up for each other in times of need, that come together to celebrate moments of joy.

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But we get to that pinnacle, to that peak, through the ordinary, through the mundane, through the repetitive connection and building and sharing of small insights and little moments.

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They sneak past our guard because ordinary moments feel low stakes.

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People open up more easily than in those high pressure, big impact, life changing moments.

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Can you think of a moment when a short exchange, maybe in a hallway, at a coffee machine, at the water cooler, waiting for an elevator, ended up shifting the way you saw someone or.

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Shaped your relationship?

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An example that I can think of.

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You know, I spent.

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Oh my God, so very many years, so many, many years.

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Working in call centers, all right?

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And call centers are interesting environments.

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They are microcos of the population.

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You have different departments with different focuses.

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So you have your introverts who are in the admin side of things, your extroverts in your customer service and sales.

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You have control freaks and people who are striving to build a career and folks who just took the job because it's all they could get.

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And all of these people coming together and man, people, people can have wild thoughts about who you are based on how you present yourself.

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Right?

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I can think of a time where I was having a conversation with one of the facilities maintenance folks in one of the call centers.

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And he was just an incredible guy, big heart, big personality, big black man, right?

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And I absolutely love him because he was authentic and generous and helpful and funny, which always gets you extra points with me.

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And he and I were, you know, giving each other a high five as we were passing each other.

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He was coming out of the break room, I was heading into it, and somebody else stopped him and said, why you messing with her?

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And accused me of being racist.

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Don't know where that thought or idea came from.

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I certainly would hope I never presented myself that way.

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But this is somebody who hadn't been to one of my classes, that I hadn't engaged with.

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She'd simply seen me walking around the building and had her thoughts.

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And in that moment, my friend of several years at that point spoke up and Said, well, if you think that it's because you just don't know her.

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He says, you need to step back and give her a chance.

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That little moment reshaped it.

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She started seeking me out to talk to me, and I encouraged and engaged in those little conversations in the break room.

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Totally reshaped how she saw me, right?

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Those, just those little conversations, those little moments, huge shift in how somebody can be perceived.

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Another one that comes to mind.

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I worked with a young woman who was quiet and reserved, always kept to herself, never opened up and shared.

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And I'm gonna be honest with you, in my youth and inexperience, I assumed that she was stuck up and pretentious and completely full of herself.

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It's never stopped me from trying to talk to somebody, but that's what I thought, right?

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And through having to work with her, because that's what work is, right?

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They pay you to deal with people that you normally wouldn't want to spend time with in a professional setting in order to get things done.

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And so in working with her.

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And having to have professional exchanges, the repetition of those professional exchanges.

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Built up.

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And after a few months, she started engaging more in conversation and sharing more.

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And a wicked sense of humor presented itself and vulnerability presented itself.

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And what I discovered is she wasn't standoffish.

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She was highly insecure and was really afraid of being judged for not expressing herself well, which.

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Had no basis in reality, but it's what she perceived of herself.

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And so what she presented was a very defensive front of don't get near so I can't be rejected.

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But through time, the building of trust, 100 little microdoses of connection.

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And she was able to bring her walls down enough to let me see the authentic person on the other side who is funny and charming and intelligent and loyal and an incredible human being and friend that I would have missed had I not persisted in those little connections.

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You can't judge people by how they first present themselves.

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You got to allow them time to get to know you enough and allow you time to get to know them enough that you guys can be real with each other.

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So what can I do to build these skills if I'm not somebody who just naturally engages in conversation?

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I cannot even tell you how many times I have embarrassed my child to no end because I inserted myself into a conversation that was happening in front of me or behind me in the line at the grocery store.

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I. I know, shocking, right?

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Me insert myself into a conversation, say less.

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But.

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Here'S my challenge to you so that you can build up those skills that allow you to jump into a conversation or to spark a conversation with someone.

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All right.

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Here's the challenge for you guys.

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I'm going to challenge you to chat with the incidental connections you make throughout your day.

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Whether you're running, whether it's, you know, a cashier in a store, a customer service rep, a barista.

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Right?

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A waiter or waitress, the hostess in the restaurant.

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If you find yourself standing in line in the department of motor Vehicles, chat with the person standing in front of you or behind you.

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If you are out walking yourself, your animals, your children, whichever, and you encounter another individual also out walking, take a moment and engage.

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Chatting with your barista.

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A quirky opener you might use.

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What drink do you secretly wish more people would order?

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What's your favorite thing to make.

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Right?

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What's your favorite on the menu?

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You might learn something.

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You might try something you wouldn't have considered before and step outside of your comfort zone and discover a new favorite because you asked an interesting question.

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Right.

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Now.

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Is that going to get you to swapping life stories?

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Probably not, but maybe over time.

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You never know.

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You can create a friendly vibe that builds, especially if it's someplace where you're a regular and this is someone you see on an ongoing basis.

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That neighbor that you pass while you're out walking your dog or your spouse or your kid or yourself.

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If your dog could talk, what's the first thing they'd say to me right now?

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What?

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Huh?

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See, this requires you to know your pet's personality in order to be able to answer it.

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Huh?

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I can tell you what my beagle would say.

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Are you gonna pet me?

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Are you gonna pet me?

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Right behind the ears.

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Ooh, rub the ear.

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Rub the ear.

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Ooh, please rub the ear.

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Aren't you gonna pet me?

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Why won't you pet me?

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That's what my beagle would say.

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My cat, on the other hand, would say, please keep your hands to yourself.

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I don't know you like that.

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All right.

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What would my husband say?

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Well, a lot.

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My husband would say a lot.

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He would tell you his life story starting at the moment of his birth.

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And by the time we reach current events.

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The pets no longer need to be walked.

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I'm teasing.

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No, but.

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No, not really teasing.

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He really does do that.

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But it's what I love about him.

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You're in a ride share, taxi, Lyft, Uber.

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What's the most interesting place you've picked somebody up from lately?

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What's the wildest personal exchange you've Witnessed in your car.

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Seen any good fights?

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Any good tea?

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Right.

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These are great for when there's a built in time frame for this conversation.

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You're going to be spending a few minutes together.

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Ask a question that can get a fun answer.

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You never know.

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The shorter the scenario.

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The shorter the conversation, the more it is about energy and vibe rather than depth.

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If the setting has built in time, you can go beyond surface level.

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But if you're standing in line at a coffee shop with a dozen folks waiting behind you, you want to keep it quick, you want to keep it light, you want to keep it brief.

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Once again, read the room, my friends.

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Stay aware of your surroundings and how you are impacting those surroundings.

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Being aware of the surroundings is only half the battle.

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What impact am I having on my surroundings?

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That's the full picture.

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All right, so let's talk about your conversation toolkit.

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Okay.

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What are some things that I can put in my pocket to pull out?

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Just little conversation starters.

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Because we get.

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We're stuck in a rut as a society with how we engage with each other.

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Number one, politics is a conversation to be avoided in public spaces at all costs.

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We are way too divisive right now to even venture down that path.

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Okay?

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Everybody's got a side of the table that they sit on.

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And, you know, the only thing you're going to hear me say about politics is I need all of us to remember that the left wing and the right wing are attached to the same bird.

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Okay?

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So we're not going to talk about politics.

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Those are not safe conversations to have in our back pocket.

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Okay?

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Instead, we want to have questions that are much more interesting than just.

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Well, how weather's been fun lately or how are you?

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Fine.

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What's up?

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Nothing, man.

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There'S.

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That's.

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That's like the cotton candy of conversation.

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It's all air, no value.

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Okay?

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If we're going to pull into our.

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If we're going to build our toolbox, let's build our toolbox with a nice, hearty charcuterie board of questions.

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And that we can pull from.

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Interesting, textured, nuanced.

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All right, what's the best thing you've eaten this week?

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Right, what's the best thing you've eaten this week?

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Tried any new restaurants or coffee spots lately?

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What's.

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What's your favorite local mom and pop place to go?

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What's your favorite small business to visit?

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What's been your go to snack this week?

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What's your go to meal?

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I'm telling you right now, I was Playing around with some different.

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Pasta dishes.

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And I was making this dish with.

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Cherry tomatoes and.

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Oh, oh, my goodness.

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I would.

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I would start by cooking some scallions and onions in olive oil and a little butter.

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And after they soften up nicely, you put the tomatoes in and you cook them down until the skins burst.

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And then you kind of mush them in and you add your seasonings.

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And then a little fresh grated parmesan and a little bit of pasta water, and you get this nice.

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Oh, put in some lemon zest and lemon juice.

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The brightness, the flavor explosions.

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I've made it three times in the last two weeks.

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I can't get over it.

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And my husband feels the same way.

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Every bite gets eaten.

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It is so delicious.

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But anyway, I digress.

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See, these are the types of conversations that you can start if you ask somebody a question, like, what's your go to snack?

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Or what's your favorite meal lately?

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Right.

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Pick up any fun habits, any new hobbies.

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What's the last thing you watched that you actually liked?

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What's the last thing that you read that you couldn't put down?

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Do you have a favorite podcast or playlist that you're listening to right now?

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Hopefully this one's on it.

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All right.

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Some observational questions.

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That is a great bag.

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I love your shoes.

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That jacket is so sharp.

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It fits you so well.

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Where did you find that?

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I like how you said this earlier.

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Has this been on your mind for a while?

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Or where did those thoughts come from?

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That was a great perspective you shared.

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All right.

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This place always has such interesting music decor people.

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Don't you think?

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What's something small that made you smile this week?

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Right.

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These are.

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These are the things that get people thinking and sharing what's meaningful to them.

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You know, it's one thing to ask somebody, do you like to go shopping?

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It's an entirely different conversation when you go, where's your favorite place to shop?

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Right.

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I'm going to find out a lot more about you if I ask you what your top 5 favorite places to go shopping are than if I just ask if you enjoy shopping.

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What kind of shopping?

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Grocery shopping.

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I know some chefs that love to go grocery shopping and produce shopping, and I know some moms who despise it.

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And the shopping they want to do is home goods, home decorations.

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Right.

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I have some other friends that when they talk about going shopping, they're heading to Ultra and Mac, and they are, you know, getting the latest and greatest products for their beauty regime.

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Right.

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And then other friends, when they say they're going shopping.

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It's all about the fit.

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It's all about the.

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The style.

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It's clothing, it's shoes, it's hats, accessories.

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It's fashion, baby.

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When I say shopping, what do you think of?

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Okay.

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Do you have a favorite way to recharge after a busy day?

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I do.

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I believe in herbal infused meditation.

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Kitchen, right?

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Is there.

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If you could teleport to anywhere in the world for dinner tonight, where would you go and what would you order?

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Right?

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Some days it's my own kitchen, I'm not gonna lie.

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But I wouldn't mind, you know, teleporting to Italy and getting a coccio pepe made authentic just once.

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That would be chef's kiss, right?

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What's your most used app?

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Besides the obvious, can't be a social app, what's your most functional app?

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I know, right?

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Some of you have some good ones.

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I know you do.

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Any guilty pleasure TV shows.

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You know the thing that you don't want people to know that you love to watch, but you know, you really love to watch.

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LEGO Masters.

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I freaking love LEGO Masters.

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Watching them watching adults just completely geek out building these giant Lego structures.

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It's.

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Oops, I'm really not supposed to hit the microphone.

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I need to be careful about that.

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But it's just wholesome and sweet and I love it.

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What's my other guilty pleasure?

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RuPaul's Drag Race.

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For all the same reasons.

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All right?

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Some situational.

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These can be adapted for anywhere.

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At a work or an event.

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Well, okay, at work, what brought you here today?

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Probably not a meaningful conversation, because most of us.

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What brought me here today were bills, persistent bills, and my absolute dedication to the Paycheck continuation program.

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Okay, but at an event, like, if you're at an event, like, what.

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What was your draw?

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Are you here because you're a fan?

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Are you here because somebody made you?

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Did you score free tickets?

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Like, why are you here?

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Okay.

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At a coffee shop.

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Do you know if they always have that particular pastry?

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Or is this a special occasion?

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Is that a seasonal.

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Do you know?

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Right?

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At a party, how do you know the host.

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Can be.

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Some fun answers in that one, right?

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You never know what somebody's going to say.

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We used to pork, but now we're just friends.

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At a gym or a class.

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Have you tried this before?

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Is this new for you, too?

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Hmm.

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Nope.

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First time.

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I'm a virgin.

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Haven't been able to say that one in a while.

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There are a million different ways that we can spark a conversation.

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In fact, there are even tools out there that you can utilize to help you if you're not good at thinking of random questions.

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This is something I found off of a YouTube podcaster.

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It's questions for humans and all it is.

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It's a deck full of random questions that you can just ask if you're not good at coming up with them.

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You can cheat.

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You can cheat.

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You don't have to be clever, just have to have good tools and practice folks.

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Everything we practice, we get better at.

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Practice your conversations, practice microdosing those connections.

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Practice layering.

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Layering for flavor, layering for fullness.

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Layering.

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For something wonderful on the other side.

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It's been really great chatting with you today.

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I always appreciate it when you stop by.

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