In this episode of Queue Points, DJ Sir Daniel and Jay Ray dive deep into the importance of comprehension in music, focusing on the artistry and nuances often lost in today’s rap and hip-hop discourse. Using Kendrick Lamar’s introspective lyrics as a starting point, they unpack how misinterpretation can spark unnecessary drama—and how today’s social media-fueled “bloodlust” for conflict often overshadows the artistry.
They also take a trip down memory lane, sharing humorous and surprising anecdotes from hip-hop history:
✨ The hilarious misunderstanding between Boogie Down Productions and UMCs over a freestyle line.
✨ The unexpected confusion between Salt-N-Pepa and Queen Latifah during a Club MTV Spring Break performance.
This episode offers a thoughtful exploration of how misunderstandings have shaped (and sometimes derailed) hip-hop narratives—past and present. It’s a reminder that our favorite artists are human, navigating their own insecurities and relationships within the culture.
Tune in for laughter, insight, and a celebration of hip-hop’s complexity!
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00:00 Introduction and Hosts
00:20 Understanding Kendrick Lamar's Lyrics
03:11 Misunderstandings in Hip Hop
06:35 Boogie Down Productions vs. UMCs
15:37 Salt-N-Pepa and Queen Latifah Incident
20:36 Modern Hip Hop and Humanizing Artists
22:17 Closing Remarks and Call to Action
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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.
Speaker:I'm DJ Sir Daniel.
Jay Ray:my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray
Jay Ray:Kornegay, the third and Sir Daniel.
Jay Ray:In this moment, we need to talk about comprehension and understanding.
Jay Ray:There is so much
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Woo.
Jay Ray:in the world.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: What I need from y'all is understanding.
Jay Ray:Listen, it seems like every time Kendrick Lamar releases music,
Jay Ray:Oh, yeah.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: there's like, A rash of industry chatter that results in
Jay Ray:someone getting in their feelings
Jay Ray:Every
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: and every single time.
Jay Ray:And it's just like, is anybody listening?
Jay Ray:Turn this on.
Jay Ray:I need y'all to turn this on.
Jay Ray:Listen, listen to what's saying.
Jay Ray:And in this episode of Queue Points, Jay Ray, we are going to talk
Jay Ray:about some, um, misunderstandings because people aren't listening.
Jay Ray:People aren't listening to comprehend.
Jay Ray:People are listening so they can make their point.
Jay Ray:So in the song whacked out murals.
Jay Ray:Jay Ray Kendrick spits the following.
Jay Ray:I used to bump the car to three.
Jay Ray:I held my rollie chain proud irony.
Jay Ray:I think my hard work let Wayne down.
Jay Ray:So immediately you and I are like, oh man, he feels.
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: feels like he let down one of his heroes.
Jay Ray:He's, he's literally saying, I let, I let Wayne down.
Jay Ray:That means he had, he held, he holds that man in some form of respect.
Jay Ray:Right.
Jay Ray:But of course your cousins, Jay Ray, they got to come and say,
Jay Ray:Oh, Oh, Oh, he won it with Wayne.
Jay Ray:He trying to get Wayne.
Jay Ray:He he's already disrespecting him by, um, being in the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
Jay Ray:Now he's trying to diss Wayne.
Jay Ray:Oh, you about to wake the bear up.
Jay Ray:Yeah, it's such a weird thing.
Jay Ray:And I think none of this would be, um, as big of a deal if little Wayne himself
Jay Ray:didn't jump in and give a, why am I in it?
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.
Jay Ray:you know, let the beast, you know, lie, dah, dah, dah, dah.
Jay Ray:And I'm like, Wayne, did you even listen to like the bar?
Jay Ray:Like, so this is weird to me.
Jay Ray:I heard this bar.
Jay Ray:I listened to whacked out murals.
Jay Ray:I was actually really tuned in to be like, is Kendrick going to diss somebody in this
Jay Ray:track, like opening track after not like us, is this going to be a continuation?
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Right.
Jay Ray:I was like, I left the track, not feeling that way.
Jay Ray:I left the track like, okay, Kendrick is going to, he's rapping.
Jay Ray:He is being introspective.
Jay Ray:He is introducing this new project, right?
Jay Ray:particular line is not a diss.
Jay Ray:It's just
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: It's not this.
Jay Ray:it doesn't read like a diss.
Jay Ray:He didn't wrap it like a diss.
Jay Ray:It was more just to your point.
Jay Ray:I had this success.
Jay Ray:I have this thing that has come to me, but at the same time, I feel like I let down
Jay Ray:one of the people that I really respect.
Jay Ray:in the midst of getting this opportunity.
Jay Ray:That seems very straightforward to me.
Jay Ray:But my wonder and why we wanted to have this conversation is I wonder if we are
Jay Ray:in a moment where people in the mess.
Jay Ray:Like it is the thing that people look for.
Jay Ray:They just can't let it be like, Oh, but his brother is like having an
Jay Ray:introspective moment and that's okay.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.
Jay Ray:I think the bloodlust is way too strong for anybody to, at this point
Jay Ray:for any of the people involved for the fans, for the, the podcasters, the
Jay Ray:journalists, I think people are way too involved and it's making people money.
Jay Ray:So the bloodlust is super strong for the drama.
Jay Ray:And so you're absolutely right.
Jay Ray:So having some nuance or understanding nuance and, um, and wanting to find
Jay Ray:understanding would cause peace.
Jay Ray:And apparently nobody wants that.
Jay Ray:Everybody wants the rah, rah, everybody wants to dump their chest right now.
Jay Ray:And instead of just really celebrating good music, This has turned into
Jay Ray:a, well, we've seen what happens.
Jay Ray:This has turned into litigation.
Jay Ray:You know, people are getting their attorneys on the phone.
Jay Ray:It's, it's kind of wild.
Jay Ray:And when you look at it, um, the only people that are benefiting
Jay Ray:are, is the parent company.
Jay Ray:Yes.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: music really is the only person benefiting from all of this.
Jay Ray:It's like Jay Z said, nobody wins when the family feuds.
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:is why, especially when we take a look at hip hop, um,
Jay Ray:because rap is so much about bravado and being the best right
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:I can see how it is easy for folks to get caught up.
Jay Ray:in the moment.
Jay Ray:Um, and what often happens folks is there are misunderstandings and we
Jay Ray:wanted to talk about a couple of honest misunderstandings in hip hop history that
Jay Ray:actually led to beef, but they were not based in anything that was a diss at all.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: And what's funny about these hip hop misunderstandings
Jay Ray:that we're going to discuss is that there was no social media.
Jay Ray:So I'm wondering if there was social media, would this have been even worse?
Jay Ray:Like, would it have gotten, it probably would have caught on like
Jay Ray:wildfire and would have really been blown out of proportion.
Jay Ray:But when you told me about this one, I thought it was
Jay Ray:hilarious, actually, especially considering the people involved.
Jay Ray:Yes.
Jay Ray:So, um, shout out to DJ Kenny Parker.
Jay Ray:In our description, we will include Kenny Parker's break.
Jay Ray:So DJ Kenny Parker is the DJ for KRS ONE and Boogie Down Productions.
Jay Ray:So he is, and he's also KRS ONE's brother.
Jay Ray:So he has all of this history and he does this, um, he does these different
Jay Ray:segments on his YouTube channel.
Jay Ray:So to your point, Sir Daniel, I, Did not know about this particular beef
Jay Ray:because it happened in the early nineties, and you know, it was very
Jay Ray:much happening at the in New York.
Jay Ray:Right?
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Right.
Jay Ray:we are talking about the beef between boogie down productions.
Jay Ray:and, uh, the UMCs.
Jay Ray:Now, all of y'all likely know who Boogie Down Productions is, but the
Jay Ray:UMCs though, uh, were two brothers from Staten Island, uh, Haas G and Kool Kim,
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Not to be confused with the ultramagnetic emcees,
Jay Ray:not to be confused with the ultra, thank you so much, not to be,
Jay Ray:not to be confused with them, even though that's really interesting
Jay Ray:that they did pick that name because Ultra Magnetic already existed.
Jay Ray:Anyway, um, They were known for a song.
Jay Ray:Uh, they had the number one hit.
Jay Ray:They had a number one hip hop track in blue cheese.
Jay Ray:Like that
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: right?
Jay Ray:Right.
Jay Ray:at a show in New York Very regular this is gonna be a hip hop
Jay Ray:show all of that stuff down productions Of course is the biggest group
Jay Ray:so they are gonna close the show.
Jay Ray:They are the headline act they close the show.
Jay Ray:So The way this beef started is kind of wild.
Jay Ray:So every MC, every act did a freestyle segment because it's hip hop.
Jay Ray:That's the thing that you do.
Jay Ray:You do a freestyle segment in your thing.
Jay Ray:So Parker was like, we do one too in our segment.
Jay Ray:So in the middle of the set, well, you know, I'll get on
Jay Ray:the, the, the drum machine and Crystal start, you know, rapping.
Jay Ray:he said, he gave the, he said, here's what KRS One said.
Jay Ray:He said.
Jay Ray:At the start of his freestyle, a lot of emcees come on the stage and
Jay Ray:claim that they can freestyle, a lot of you emcees can't freestyle.
Jay Ray:I'm gonna show y'all how to freestyle.
Jay Ray:So Kenny Parker is like, I hear the crowd going like, Ooh, whatever.
Jay Ray:He's like, Hey, even say,
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: This is like, um, did I miss something?
Jay Ray:Like, didn't even say nothing crazy.
Jay Ray:Like, I don't know what they owe it for, but sure.
Jay Ray:Karis one does his freestyle, blah, blah, blah.
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:But the UMCs who are, who have gone off, right, they performed already,
Jay Ray:approach them afterwards and say, you know, like what happened?
Jay Ray:Like what did we do?
Jay Ray:And he's like, they are confused.
Jay Ray:And of course, Karras, one of them are confused.
Jay Ray:Like what are you talking about?
Jay Ray:And they were like, no, the, the freestyle, the UMCs.
Jay Ray:And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Jay Ray:not, that was just
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: I mean, why?
Jay Ray:Oh, you MC.
Jay Ray:why, Oh, you MCs, not you MCs like y'all, just you
Jay Ray:MCs, like the collective of MCs.
Jay Ray:And so what it started as was they got upset.
Jay Ray:They wanted KRS one to go and specifically say, uh, I'm not talking about the
Jay Ray:UMCs and there was a lot of back and forth around what should have happened.
Jay Ray:Like he agreed to do it and then didn't do it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Jay Ray:But that beef literally came from a random line in a freestyle
Jay Ray:that was very straight forward.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: And just for context, just for context, let's paint the
Jay Ray:picture of like the type of guys The UMCs are like, and the type of video
Jay Ray:blue cheese was because for Because when you describe them, people are going to
Jay Ray:be like, Oh, that doesn't even sound like somebody that KRS One would come
Jay Ray:after or this because, because for all intents and purposes, they were kids.
Jay Ray:It's so
Jay Ray:pad, one of them had like the mop head dreads and colorful outfits.
Jay Ray:Blue cheese as a video had like a blue puppet.
Jay Ray:It was weird.
Jay Ray:I was like, I don't know what this blue alien puppet has to do with anything.
Jay Ray:And it was just a very, very colorful video.
Jay Ray:So it wouldn't even make sense.
Jay Ray:To your point, that KRS One would diss them, because it's
Jay Ray:like, they ain't do nothing.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: wild.
Jay Ray:And yeah, again, for people and it's the crowd, the crowd immediately
Jay Ray:latched onto that one line thinking, Oh, well they just got off the stage.
Jay Ray:So he's, Gotta be talking about them.
Jay Ray:And you know what?
Jay Ray:Maybe because KRS One had a reputation for, you know, for battling people,
Jay Ray:um, face to face and saying stuff on and talking ish on stage.
Jay Ray:So people were probably like, oh yeah, Chris is on one tonight.
Jay Ray:He's probably, he letting, he about to tell you somebody head
Jay Ray:off in this cipher tonight.
Jay Ray:So it's this time it's the UMCs.
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:Your blue cheese is out of here.
Jay Ray:Your blue cheese is ranch.
Jay Ray:Not your blue cheese is ranch.
Jay Ray:That's a DJ, sir.
Jay Ray:Daniel quotable, ladies and gentlemen,
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Nah, nah.
Jay Ray:If I, nah, if he would have said that and then it's like, oh, okay.
Jay Ray:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jay Ray:You really trying to start some stuff.
Jay Ray:You want to be starting something, Chris.
Jay Ray:but Sir Daniel, you mentioned something really important.
Jay Ray:This wouldn't mean anything.
Jay Ray:Had the crowd to your point, only, the reason that I'm sure the UMCs
Jay Ray:also reacted is because of the way the crowd reacted, right?
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Right.
Jay Ray:they picked up on the fact that he said this thing and
Jay Ray:then the crowd reacted and we are also called the UMCs, right?
Jay Ray:the crowd not reacted crazy?
Jay Ray:They probably also wouldn't have reacted crazy.
Jay Ray:So that fact of the crowds in that room, hyping it up as a
Jay Ray:thing part of what made it.
Jay Ray:And I also would have been, I can't say how I would have reacted in the moment.
Jay Ray:If I was in that room in the moment and having just saw the UMCs perform also
Jay Ray:to your point, knowing the reputation of KRS One, I too, as a hip hop fan
Jay Ray:may have read that line as a diss.
Jay Ray:Mm hmm, mm
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Well, here's the thing.
Jay Ray:And here's another perspective.
Jay Ray:Um, the UMCs are relatively new to the industry.
Jay Ray:Um, I don't know, this is probably one of their first, this is like maybe
Jay Ray:one of their first outings touring and performing and performing alongside
Jay Ray:somebody you probably looked up to makes you, makes you feel a way you
Jay Ray:feel your insecurities start showing up and this happens to all of us.
Jay Ray:Yes.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: to all of us in all works of.
Jay Ray:In all walks of life, when we feel like when we're encountering any kind of
Jay Ray:anything that speaks to our insecurities and that question that makes us question
Jay Ray:our abilities and um, our purpose,
Jay Ray:Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: to immediately start projecting.
Jay Ray:Yes.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: so I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts.
Jay Ray:That the UMCs were probably like, Oh my God, I knew they didn't like us.
Jay Ray:I knew, Ooh, and this is Karis one.
Jay Ray:Oh my God.
Jay Ray:I love Karis one.
Jay Ray:Damn.
Jay Ray:He hates us.
Jay Ray:Oh my God.
Jay Ray:I gotta find out what's happening.
Jay Ray:He's talking about us.
Jay Ray:He's gotta be talking about us because we, in our minds, we think we're great,
Jay Ray:but then are we really that great?
Jay Ray:You know, there's probably a whole lot of inner dialogue going on and don't
Jay Ray:let the, don't let the bravado fool you.
Jay Ray:A lot of these rappers.
Jay Ray:Present date counted are insecure, have a lot of insecurities and just because
Jay Ray:they have a million and one people know who they are and they have more money
Jay Ray:than the average person does not negate the fact that they have insecurities.
Jay Ray:Ego and that they have insecurities and their insecurities are probably
Jay Ray:magnified a thousand times more than you and I, um, who are able
Jay Ray:to have a normal private life.
Jay Ray:So to that point, Sir Daniel, you're absolutely right.
Jay Ray:Because this beef you also mentioned to me flew over.
Jay Ray:I would never imagine these, this and the, and this group
Jay Ray:to your point was in a stab.
Jay Ray:Like you want to talk about superstar established, like they were at the top of
Jay Ray:the food chain feeling some kind of way.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: So I have a theory about that, but so I'll, I'll
Jay Ray:let you let you all in though.
Jay Ray:In on what J Ray and I are discussing.
Jay Ray:So when we talked, we were talking about rap misunderstandings.
Jay Ray:I recalled a, an interview between Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah, and
Jay Ray:they were reminiscing about, um, a club MTV spring break performance.
Jay Ray:And, and man, though, I, Ooh, I miss those.
Jay Ray:Those were some fun times to see our folks out there outdoors
Jay Ray:performing and, you know, water slides and all that kind of stuff.
Jay Ray:But anyway.
Jay Ray:So Queen Latifah, this was like 91, 92, Queen Latifah, her second
Jay Ray:album is out and she's promoting, um, Latifah's Headed Up To Here,
Jay Ray:hmm.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: and Salt N Pepa happened to be at the same performance,
Jay Ray:um, their uh, They probably recorded their performance earlier
Jay Ray:Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: there.
Jay Ray:So they're chilling in the crowd watching Queen Latifah perform
Jay Ray:because they love Queen Latifah.
Jay Ray:They really enjoy her as a rapper.
Jay Ray:And there, for those of you who are, you know, Latifah fans and
Jay Ray:know the song Latifah's had it up to here, there is a rhyme
Jay Ray:It is.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: and it makes me laugh just even thinking about that.
Jay Ray:There's a rhyme where Queen Latifah says, um, she's basically, she says,
Jay Ray:don't chew
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: I'm allergic to wack crews.
Jay Ray:hmm.
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:Hi.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Salt N Pepa's like in the audience.
Jay Ray:In her performance, Lies moving about stage.
Jay Ray:She just so happens to stop where Salt N Pepa are standing and delivers her,
Jay Ray:Achoo, I'm allergic to wet cruise rhyme.
Jay Ray:And the bar hits Salt N Pepa like, She's talking about us!
Jay Ray:Oh my god, what is she?
Jay Ray:What?
Jay Ray:So Salt N Pepa are thinking, and you can see the look on Latifah's face
Jay Ray:like, Are y'all being serious right now?
Jay Ray:So she didn't know until they talked about it.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: She had no clue and she, and they were like, Oh my God,
Jay Ray:we thought you were talking about us.
Jay Ray:And we couldn't, we were just confused.
Jay Ray:Flummoxed we could not understand.
Jay Ray:What did we do?
Jay Ray:We love Latifah.
Jay Ray:Oh my god.
Jay Ray:She hates us.
Jay Ray:Did we do something?
Jay Ray:And i'm pretty certain they were looking at each other like girl
Jay Ray:Did you say something to one of the other members of her crew?
Jay Ray:Did we did we not get off stage on time?
Jay Ray:And so again The unknown fear of the unknown.
Jay Ray:And with absolutely no facts to back it up, their imaginations start running
Jay Ray:wild and they're probably they're in this bubble and here's my theory.
Jay Ray:They've always said that Herbie kept them in a bubble.
Jay Ray:Yes.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Like they weren't the ones like they would go out, but they
Jay Ray:weren't always hanging out with, um, other rappers and for a period, a
Jay Ray:lot of people had an opinion about Salt N Pepa that they were stuck up.
Jay Ray:And so before they started like hanging out with folks and, you know, getting
Jay Ray:away from, from up on the Herbie, a lot of people did have a perception of Salt N
Jay Ray:Pepa and Salt N Pepa probably because of that had a perception, had a perception
Jay Ray:of the perception that people had of them.
Jay Ray:And so that probably lent to them have thinking, Oh my God.
Jay Ray:And having this runaway thoughts that Queen Latifah is gunning
Jay Ray:for them because they, cause clearly they respect Queen Latifah
Jay Ray:Yeah.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: they know she's a dope MC and they're like, Oh
Jay Ray:my God, she's coming for us.
Jay Ray:What do we do?
Jay Ray:right.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: then it turned out to be a complete misunderstanding, just a, just so
Jay Ray:happened that she happened to stop there.
Jay Ray:I don't know if they, it's so wild to me and so funny to me when I think about that
Jay Ray:story and when I heard it, I was like, you do know you're Salt N Pepa, right?
Jay Ray:You, and what's crazy to me is I have totally see Salt N Pepa reacted with
Jay Ray:doing a hot shoe and like getting into it with Latifah of how powerful that line is.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Right.
Jay Ray:it's interesting how that landed.
Jay Ray:I did not know about that.
Jay Ray:I also came in Salt N Pepa shoes.
Jay Ray:To your point, it's 9192, so they're in between projects.
Jay Ray:You know, Blacks Magic has done its thing.
Jay Ray:The new album ain't out yet.
Jay Ray:They also have had a huge pop moment with Let's Talk About
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:whole, they're an entity in the pop culture for real now.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.
Jay Ray:could also see to your point how they also may have internalized like, does
Jay Ray:hip hop even see us as hip hop in this
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: Exactly.
Jay Ray:Exactly.
Jay Ray:Yep.
Jay Ray:You're absolutely correct.
Jay Ray:And you know what, these, and we're bringing up these anecdotes to
Jay Ray:you guys, because we want y'all to realize that these people are human.
Jay Ray:Mm
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: And even when we're looking at today's examples between Kendrick Lamar
Jay Ray:and Drake, we got to look past all of this other stuff about, um, who's selling how
Jay Ray:much and all that these are real people.
Jay Ray:Who are experiencing real time, um, moments of humanity, you know, you've
Jay Ray:got Drake, who is getting older and is having to consider the fact that he is
Jay Ray:not that he is not considered on top anymore, or that is, that's a reality
Jay Ray:that he might possibly have to deal with.
Jay Ray:And then Kendrick is, you know, creating his own lane and, you know,
Jay Ray:and it's carrying a city on his back.
Jay Ray:Mm
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: So God knows what he's going through as we see in that lyric
Jay Ray:about letting Wayne down, he's had dealing with his own insecurities
Jay Ray:and thoughts around this whole situation of, of where hip hop is.
Jay Ray:And he already knows that, okay, yeah, I really lit a fire with that.
Jay Ray:They not like us.
Jay Ray:Mm hmm.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: What people are already going to be on pins and needles, trying
Jay Ray:to figure out what am I going to say next?
Jay Ray:Guess.
Jay Ray:DJ Sir Daniel: So heavy is the head that holds the crown is what they say.
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