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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

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I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

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my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray

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Kornegay, the third and Sir Daniel.

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In this moment, we need to talk about comprehension and understanding.

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There is so much

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DJ Sir Daniel: Woo.

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in the world.

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DJ Sir Daniel: What I need from y'all is understanding.

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Listen, it seems like every time Kendrick Lamar releases music,

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Oh, yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: there's like, A rash of industry chatter that results in

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someone getting in their feelings

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Every

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DJ Sir Daniel: and every single time.

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And it's just like, is anybody listening?

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Turn this on.

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I need y'all to turn this on.

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Listen, listen to what's saying.

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And in this episode of Queue Points, Jay Ray, we are going to talk

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about some, um, misunderstandings because people aren't listening.

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People aren't listening to comprehend.

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People are listening so they can make their point.

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So in the song whacked out murals.

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Jay Ray Kendrick spits the following.

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I used to bump the car to three.

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I held my rollie chain proud irony.

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I think my hard work let Wayne down.

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So immediately you and I are like, oh man, he feels.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: feels like he let down one of his heroes.

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He's, he's literally saying, I let, I let Wayne down.

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That means he had, he held, he holds that man in some form of respect.

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Right.

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But of course your cousins, Jay Ray, they got to come and say,

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Oh, Oh, Oh, he won it with Wayne.

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He trying to get Wayne.

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He he's already disrespecting him by, um, being in the Super Bowl in New Orleans.

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Now he's trying to diss Wayne.

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Oh, you about to wake the bear up.

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Yeah, it's such a weird thing.

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And I think none of this would be, um, as big of a deal if little Wayne himself

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didn't jump in and give a, why am I in it?

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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you know, let the beast, you know, lie, dah, dah, dah, dah.

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And I'm like, Wayne, did you even listen to like the bar?

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Like, so this is weird to me.

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I heard this bar.

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I listened to whacked out murals.

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I was actually really tuned in to be like, is Kendrick going to diss somebody in this

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track, like opening track after not like us, is this going to be a continuation?

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

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I was like, I left the track, not feeling that way.

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I left the track like, okay, Kendrick is going to, he's rapping.

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He is being introspective.

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He is introducing this new project, right?

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particular line is not a diss.

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It's just

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DJ Sir Daniel: It's not this.

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it doesn't read like a diss.

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He didn't wrap it like a diss.

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It was more just to your point.

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I had this success.

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I have this thing that has come to me, but at the same time, I feel like I let down

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one of the people that I really respect.

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in the midst of getting this opportunity.

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That seems very straightforward to me.

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But my wonder and why we wanted to have this conversation is I wonder if we are

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in a moment where people in the mess.

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Like it is the thing that people look for.

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They just can't let it be like, Oh, but his brother is like having an

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introspective moment and that's okay.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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I think the bloodlust is way too strong for anybody to, at this point

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for any of the people involved for the fans, for the, the podcasters, the

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journalists, I think people are way too involved and it's making people money.

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So the bloodlust is super strong for the drama.

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And so you're absolutely right.

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So having some nuance or understanding nuance and, um, and wanting to find

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understanding would cause peace.

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And apparently nobody wants that.

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Everybody wants the rah, rah, everybody wants to dump their chest right now.

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And instead of just really celebrating good music, This has turned into

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a, well, we've seen what happens.

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This has turned into litigation.

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You know, people are getting their attorneys on the phone.

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It's, it's kind of wild.

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And when you look at it, um, the only people that are benefiting

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are, is the parent company.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: music really is the only person benefiting from all of this.

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It's like Jay Z said, nobody wins when the family feuds.

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Yeah.

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is why, especially when we take a look at hip hop, um,

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because rap is so much about bravado and being the best right

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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I can see how it is easy for folks to get caught up.

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in the moment.

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Um, and what often happens folks is there are misunderstandings and we

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wanted to talk about a couple of honest misunderstandings in hip hop history that

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actually led to beef, but they were not based in anything that was a diss at all.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And what's funny about these hip hop misunderstandings

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that we're going to discuss is that there was no social media.

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So I'm wondering if there was social media, would this have been even worse?

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Like, would it have gotten, it probably would have caught on like

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wildfire and would have really been blown out of proportion.

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But when you told me about this one, I thought it was

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hilarious, actually, especially considering the people involved.

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Yes.

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So, um, shout out to DJ Kenny Parker.

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In our description, we will include Kenny Parker's break.

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So DJ Kenny Parker is the DJ for KRS ONE and Boogie Down Productions.

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So he is, and he's also KRS ONE's brother.

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So he has all of this history and he does this, um, he does these different

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segments on his YouTube channel.

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So to your point, Sir Daniel, I, Did not know about this particular beef

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because it happened in the early nineties, and you know, it was very

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much happening at the in New York.

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Right?

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

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we are talking about the beef between boogie down productions.

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and, uh, the UMCs.

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Now, all of y'all likely know who Boogie Down Productions is, but the

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UMCs though, uh, were two brothers from Staten Island, uh, Haas G and Kool Kim,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Not to be confused with the ultramagnetic emcees,

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not to be confused with the ultra, thank you so much, not to be,

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not to be confused with them, even though that's really interesting

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that they did pick that name because Ultra Magnetic already existed.

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Anyway, um, They were known for a song.

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Uh, they had the number one hit.

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They had a number one hip hop track in blue cheese.

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Like that

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DJ Sir Daniel: right?

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Right.

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at a show in New York Very regular this is gonna be a hip hop

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show all of that stuff down productions Of course is the biggest group

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so they are gonna close the show.

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They are the headline act they close the show.

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So The way this beef started is kind of wild.

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So every MC, every act did a freestyle segment because it's hip hop.

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That's the thing that you do.

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You do a freestyle segment in your thing.

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So Parker was like, we do one too in our segment.

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So in the middle of the set, well, you know, I'll get on

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the, the, the drum machine and Crystal start, you know, rapping.

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he said, he gave the, he said, here's what KRS One said.

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He said.

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At the start of his freestyle, a lot of emcees come on the stage and

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claim that they can freestyle, a lot of you emcees can't freestyle.

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I'm gonna show y'all how to freestyle.

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So Kenny Parker is like, I hear the crowd going like, Ooh, whatever.

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He's like, Hey, even say,

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DJ Sir Daniel: This is like, um, did I miss something?

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Like, didn't even say nothing crazy.

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Like, I don't know what they owe it for, but sure.

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Karis one does his freestyle, blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah.

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But the UMCs who are, who have gone off, right, they performed already,

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approach them afterwards and say, you know, like what happened?

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Like what did we do?

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And he's like, they are confused.

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And of course, Karras, one of them are confused.

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Like what are you talking about?

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And they were like, no, the, the freestyle, the UMCs.

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And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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not, that was just

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DJ Sir Daniel: I mean, why?

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Oh, you MC.

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why, Oh, you MCs, not you MCs like y'all, just you

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MCs, like the collective of MCs.

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And so what it started as was they got upset.

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They wanted KRS one to go and specifically say, uh, I'm not talking about the

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UMCs and there was a lot of back and forth around what should have happened.

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Like he agreed to do it and then didn't do it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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But that beef literally came from a random line in a freestyle

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that was very straight forward.

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DJ Sir Daniel: And just for context, just for context, let's paint the

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picture of like the type of guys The UMCs are like, and the type of video

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blue cheese was because for Because when you describe them, people are going to

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be like, Oh, that doesn't even sound like somebody that KRS One would come

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after or this because, because for all intents and purposes, they were kids.

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It's so

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pad, one of them had like the mop head dreads and colorful outfits.

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Blue cheese as a video had like a blue puppet.

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It was weird.

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I was like, I don't know what this blue alien puppet has to do with anything.

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And it was just a very, very colorful video.

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So it wouldn't even make sense.

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To your point, that KRS One would diss them, because it's

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like, they ain't do nothing.

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DJ Sir Daniel: wild.

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And yeah, again, for people and it's the crowd, the crowd immediately

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latched onto that one line thinking, Oh, well they just got off the stage.

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So he's, Gotta be talking about them.

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And you know what?

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Maybe because KRS One had a reputation for, you know, for battling people,

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um, face to face and saying stuff on and talking ish on stage.

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So people were probably like, oh yeah, Chris is on one tonight.

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He's probably, he letting, he about to tell you somebody head

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off in this cipher tonight.

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So it's this time it's the UMCs.

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Yeah.

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Your blue cheese is out of here.

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Your blue cheese is ranch.

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Not your blue cheese is ranch.

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That's a DJ, sir.

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Daniel quotable, ladies and gentlemen,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Nah, nah.

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If I, nah, if he would have said that and then it's like, oh, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You really trying to start some stuff.

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You want to be starting something, Chris.

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but Sir Daniel, you mentioned something really important.

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This wouldn't mean anything.

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Had the crowd to your point, only, the reason that I'm sure the UMCs

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also reacted is because of the way the crowd reacted, right?

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

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they picked up on the fact that he said this thing and

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then the crowd reacted and we are also called the UMCs, right?

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the crowd not reacted crazy?

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They probably also wouldn't have reacted crazy.

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So that fact of the crowds in that room, hyping it up as a

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thing part of what made it.

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And I also would have been, I can't say how I would have reacted in the moment.

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If I was in that room in the moment and having just saw the UMCs perform also

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to your point, knowing the reputation of KRS One, I too, as a hip hop fan

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may have read that line as a diss.

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Mm hmm, mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: Well, here's the thing.

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And here's another perspective.

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Um, the UMCs are relatively new to the industry.

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Um, I don't know, this is probably one of their first, this is like maybe

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one of their first outings touring and performing and performing alongside

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somebody you probably looked up to makes you, makes you feel a way you

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feel your insecurities start showing up and this happens to all of us.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: to all of us in all works of.

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In all walks of life, when we feel like when we're encountering any kind of

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anything that speaks to our insecurities and that question that makes us question

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our abilities and um, our purpose,

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Mm hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: to immediately start projecting.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: so I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts.

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That the UMCs were probably like, Oh my God, I knew they didn't like us.

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I knew, Ooh, and this is Karis one.

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Oh my God.

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I love Karis one.

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Damn.

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He hates us.

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Oh my God.

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I gotta find out what's happening.

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He's talking about us.

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He's gotta be talking about us because we, in our minds, we think we're great,

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but then are we really that great?

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You know, there's probably a whole lot of inner dialogue going on and don't

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let the, don't let the bravado fool you.

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A lot of these rappers.

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Present date counted are insecure, have a lot of insecurities and just because

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they have a million and one people know who they are and they have more money

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than the average person does not negate the fact that they have insecurities.

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Ego and that they have insecurities and their insecurities are probably

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magnified a thousand times more than you and I, um, who are able

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to have a normal private life.

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So to that point, Sir Daniel, you're absolutely right.

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Because this beef you also mentioned to me flew over.

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I would never imagine these, this and the, and this group

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to your point was in a stab.

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Like you want to talk about superstar established, like they were at the top of

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the food chain feeling some kind of way.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So I have a theory about that, but so I'll, I'll

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let you let you all in though.

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In on what J Ray and I are discussing.

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So when we talked, we were talking about rap misunderstandings.

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I recalled a, an interview between Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah, and

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they were reminiscing about, um, a club MTV spring break performance.

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And, and man, though, I, Ooh, I miss those.

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Those were some fun times to see our folks out there outdoors

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performing and, you know, water slides and all that kind of stuff.

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But anyway.

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So Queen Latifah, this was like 91, 92, Queen Latifah, her second

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album is out and she's promoting, um, Latifah's Headed Up To Here,

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hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and Salt N Pepa happened to be at the same performance,

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um, their uh, They probably recorded their performance earlier

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Mm hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: there.

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So they're chilling in the crowd watching Queen Latifah perform

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because they love Queen Latifah.

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They really enjoy her as a rapper.

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And there, for those of you who are, you know, Latifah fans and

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know the song Latifah's had it up to here, there is a rhyme

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It is.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and it makes me laugh just even thinking about that.

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There's a rhyme where Queen Latifah says, um, she's basically, she says,

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don't chew

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DJ Sir Daniel: I'm allergic to wack crews.

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hmm.

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Salt N Pepa's like in the audience.

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In her performance, Lies moving about stage.

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She just so happens to stop where Salt N Pepa are standing and delivers her,

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Achoo, I'm allergic to wet cruise rhyme.

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And the bar hits Salt N Pepa like, She's talking about us!

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Oh my god, what is she?

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What?

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So Salt N Pepa are thinking, and you can see the look on Latifah's face

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like, Are y'all being serious right now?

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So she didn't know until they talked about it.

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DJ Sir Daniel: She had no clue and she, and they were like, Oh my God,

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we thought you were talking about us.

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And we couldn't, we were just confused.

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Flummoxed we could not understand.

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What did we do?

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We love Latifah.

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Oh my god.

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She hates us.

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Did we do something?

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And i'm pretty certain they were looking at each other like girl

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Did you say something to one of the other members of her crew?

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Did we did we not get off stage on time?

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And so again The unknown fear of the unknown.

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And with absolutely no facts to back it up, their imaginations start running

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wild and they're probably they're in this bubble and here's my theory.

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They've always said that Herbie kept them in a bubble.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Like they weren't the ones like they would go out, but they

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weren't always hanging out with, um, other rappers and for a period, a

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lot of people had an opinion about Salt N Pepa that they were stuck up.

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And so before they started like hanging out with folks and, you know, getting

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away from, from up on the Herbie, a lot of people did have a perception of Salt N

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Pepa and Salt N Pepa probably because of that had a perception, had a perception

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of the perception that people had of them.

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And so that probably lent to them have thinking, Oh my God.

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And having this runaway thoughts that Queen Latifah is gunning

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for them because they, cause clearly they respect Queen Latifah

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: they know she's a dope MC and they're like, Oh

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my God, she's coming for us.

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What do we do?

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right.

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DJ Sir Daniel: then it turned out to be a complete misunderstanding, just a, just so

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happened that she happened to stop there.

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I don't know if they, it's so wild to me and so funny to me when I think about that

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story and when I heard it, I was like, you do know you're Salt N Pepa, right?

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You, and what's crazy to me is I have totally see Salt N Pepa reacted with

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doing a hot shoe and like getting into it with Latifah of how powerful that line is.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right.

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it's interesting how that landed.

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I did not know about that.

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I also came in Salt N Pepa shoes.

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To your point, it's 9192, so they're in between projects.

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You know, Blacks Magic has done its thing.

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The new album ain't out yet.

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They also have had a huge pop moment with Let's Talk About

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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Mm hmm.

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whole, they're an entity in the pop culture for real now.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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could also see to your point how they also may have internalized like, does

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hip hop even see us as hip hop in this

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DJ Sir Daniel: Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Yep.

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You're absolutely correct.

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And you know what, these, and we're bringing up these anecdotes to

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you guys, because we want y'all to realize that these people are human.

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: And even when we're looking at today's examples between Kendrick Lamar

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and Drake, we got to look past all of this other stuff about, um, who's selling how

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much and all that these are real people.

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Who are experiencing real time, um, moments of humanity, you know, you've

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got Drake, who is getting older and is having to consider the fact that he is

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not that he is not considered on top anymore, or that is, that's a reality

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that he might possibly have to deal with.

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And then Kendrick is, you know, creating his own lane and, you know,

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and it's carrying a city on his back.

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: So God knows what he's going through as we see in that lyric

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about letting Wayne down, he's had dealing with his own insecurities

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and thoughts around this whole situation of, of where hip hop is.

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And he already knows that, okay, yeah, I really lit a fire with that.

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They not like us.

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Mm hmm.

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DJ Sir Daniel: What people are already going to be on pins and needles, trying

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to figure out what am I going to say next?

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Guess.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So heavy is the head that holds the crown is what they say.

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