In this episode of The Living Conversation, hosts Anthony Wright and Adam Dietz sit down with Fran Bailey, a lifelong dancer who became an energy healer, to explore how movement, intuition, and subtle awareness can become pathways to healing.

Fran shares how dance was her first language: a way to “speak through the body” without words, growing up in a musical and metaphysical Christian Science home with ballet classes in the barn. From there, she trained in dance at Ohio University, then gradually realized she could sense and work with energy in others, a realization that eventually led her to study with healers like Rosalyn, John Friedlander, and Gloria Hemsher, and to twelve years at the Alliance Institute for Integrative Medicine.

In this episode, we talk about:

• How dance and movement opened Fran’s awareness that “everything is energy”
• Working at the Alliance Institute as an energy healer alongside MDs and acupuncturists
• Seeing and feeling energy in clients: cords, resistance, and patterns in the field
• Using the Enneagram to understand “head types,” “body types,” and how people disconnect from their own felt sense
• How stored memories and fear patterns show up not just in the mind, but in the energy field—and how to gently work with them
• The importance of permission in healing, and why clients have to do their own inner work for changes to stick
• A striking story of a therapist with a herniated disc whose pain and diagnosis unexpectedly shifted after an energy session
• Navigating the “woo-woo factor” with physicians and psychologists, and staying humble about where people are on their journey

Fran also introduces The SHEVA Method, developed after receiving the word “SHEVA” in meditation as an acronym for Seeking Harmony in Energy, Voice, and Action: and she shares how this method has continued to refine over years of teaching and client work.

Connect with Fran Bailey:

• Website: franbaileyhealer.com (free meditations, her book, and more resources)

Foreign.

I'm Anthony Wright and I am your co host today on the Living Conversation with Adam Dietz.

Welcome everyone.

And we are here with our guest, Fran Bailey.

Welcome, Fran.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

Fran is a dancer turned healer and so I want to talk with you first about how you came to dance.

And from what we've gotten from your website, you started dancing around age 4.

What was so special about dance?

Well, I didn't have to communicate, I didn't have to speak.

I could speak through my body, but it was just a natural thing for me.

I would hear music and I would just.

My body would take over and.

Oh yeah, it just, it really resonated with me.

Rhythms.

And my mom danced too, but she, she, her parents were in vaudeville and they didn't want her to become a dancer.

Oh, there's a lot of musical theater and that kind of thing in my family.

My dad sang too and so.

But she was teaching.

She had the ballet teacher come to the house and, and the studio was in the barn, so she put up a bar, you know, and, and was very rough and I just fell in love with it and I just started training and, and then went on from there, but stopped for a while and then came back to it and.

But always dance is always my, my self expression because I didn't have to go dance now.

I dance when I can.

Yeah.

But I choreograph my own technique which is for the body.

Right.

Of energy, healing and all that stuff.

So we can talk about that.

You also got a Bachelor of Fine Arts in dance.

Yes.

Where was that from?

That was at Ohio University.

I went to Ohio State first and then decided I need to get out of Ohio and went to California for a year and a half and trained out there at age 19 and learned more than I did in four years of college.

Anyway, went back and decided to finish in choreography and education and so I'm glad I did.

That was a good school, man.

So you've also studied with Roslyn.

Yes, and worked for 12 years as an energy healer in the Alliance Institute for.

For Integrative Medicine under Doctors Steve and Sandy Amolis.

Tell us about that experience.

That sounds quite interesting.

What did your experience as a dancer inform you as to this new direction?

Well, two things.

I think I understood that everything is energy at a very young age and that, you know, I felt that any kind of movement could heal.

And I grew up in a metaphysical home as a Christian Scientist, so I also understood that end of philosophy and.

Right.

So if, if you Consider everything as movement.

That's where Steve Amwell's.

I taught his daughter, and he said you could see energy.

So actually, I've been doing it all my life.

I just didn't know, you know, when I'd be teaching, I'd be running energy on their body or, you know.

You mean everybody doesn't see energy but you do?

I. I feel.

I feel.

No, hear, see, you know, those four things.

So actually.

So Steve said, you need to start training, and I want you to work for my Alliance Institute, because I'm an MD Acupuncturist, and I want to do a healing center.

And so I started studying with his healer, who was Rosalynn.

And I looked at her and, you know, I did all this training with her, and I went, oh, my God, I think I've been here before.

Okay.

So, you know, the.

The physics, the science and the arts and all of that concept of healing as a motivation of creation to heal is the same thing.

So it was really easy for me to actually transfer the energy through my feet to my hands.

And it was just like a natural.

Natural technique that I, you know, was a skill that I learned.

So with the intuition and the clairvoyance that had to come along with it, that certainly woke up in me and decided to.

Okay, I think I. I could.

Think I could do both, but I'm not sure.

Can I dance?

Can I heal?

Well, and the question comes, is there anybody who isn't dancing in their own way?

Right, exactly.

And yet certain energy, movement is more, I would imagine, conducive for healing.

And how do I even say, configure this?

Good spirits.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah, Adam.

Well, it's funny that so many things come to mind, but the last thing you said reminds me of something that I once heard totally off the wall from John Travolta, of all people.

And you said, isn't everyone dancing?

And what it reminds me of is that he said, in any character, the first thing you had to get down was the walk.

So it reminds me of the sense that we all have our own way of movement, and it's central to who we are.

And often.

Often.

Fran, would you agree that often we come across people or ourselves that are almost disconnected from that?

Right, Absolutely.

And so.

So as a healer, how do you help orient people back into their bodies, basically?

Good question.

Well, first of all, I have to see how far out they are.

Right?

Because, you know, if they're a head type, they live up in their head.

They're just.

Their bodies are always up here.

They're just up here.

And I have to not ask them what they feel, but ask them what they think they feel.

So that kind of gets them.

Oh, I have to kind of go in and.

And figure out what I think I'm feeling.

Yeah, that's an important distinction.

Really important.

And that's the Enneagram.

As I studied the Enneagram and figured that all out about how the energy works and how the personality fits and how it all kind of comes together, it's interesting.

I worked on a lot of athletes and dancers.

You know, immediately they're.

They're in their body, but their spiritual connection is very different.

So I have to work at a different level of consciousness for them.

I mean, the football player can just get stuff like this.

Right.

Right.

But if he's dealing with an injury and his career is in trouble, which I worked with a lot, that's a whole emotional component.

Right.

Which is go ahead.

Which in turn is.

Is where the angle I need to go.

So that's the cue.

Right.

Is this similar to what's done in the Alexander technique.

Of sorts?

Yes.

I've done Alexander technique.

It depends.

So when I work with someone, I have them sit away from me so I can see their energy, or I'll do the zoom just to get their.

The whole picture.

And what I can see is where the resistance is, whether emotional, physical, spiritual, or.

And how does that show up?

Is that just an intuition that you have or some limitation in bodily movement?

It kind of happens simultaneously.

Oh, good.

Oh, yeah.

So if I close my eyes and they're in front of me, I can sort of get this really quick message, or I can still sometimes have my eyes open and I can just see it, see where the cords are, see where the resistance is and what might be pulling them away from being here in their heart or being in their body or where the disconnection is.

And when you're talking about chords, I notice you've also studied with John Friedlander and Gloria Hemsler, I'm sure.

Yeah.

And I took a look at their.

At their books this morning, and I'm aware of these.

These ideas about energy chords, which explain to us about what that is, please.

Yeah.

So I trained with them for many, many years, and that really woke up the clairvoyant.

Pardon me.

So.

So it's just writing about this.

Let's.

Let's say, for instance, you are attached to a certain level of fear in.

In a memory.

Okay.

So that memory has a pattern.

And that pattern, thought, sort of runs around in your field or in your body, because it's a memory.

If you decide that you need to shift that pattern and make a difference, look at what it is, then I will ask someone to meditate and see where the pattern is.

Like, you can see it in a.

In a form of energy.

It may be in front of you, maybe behind you, and maybe right near you.

But if it's repeated three times, then that is the cue again, that.

That is the bulk of energy, that where the thought lives.

And this is not just locating that memory, only in the head.

Right.

Noticing how it's stored in the energy field.

Is that what you're saying?

Correct, Correct.

So are you familiar with the work of Eugene Gendlin?

No.

The felt.

He talks about this same sort of thing as what's called a felt sense.

Felt sense, yeah.

And when I'm working with my students in public speaking, one of the things that they have to deal with is anxiety.

And I said, where is the anxiety in your body?

Can you make a ball of it?

And then imagine you have roots coming out of your feet going into the ground, and then can you move that ball of energy down into the ground?

And they say, yes.

And I said, is there any left in the body?

And they say, no, actually, I said, well, you can have it back if you want, right?

No, no, not necessarily.

But I'm sensing that this is a lot of what you do also.

Is that right?

Exactly, yes.

Yeah.

So you'll get an intuitive sense about, do people describe the memory to you or how do you look into it?

Well, you know, as a healer, it's really important that you get permission.

Number one.

Oh, yeah.

Number two, the information is suggested to them.

If they don't do the work, then it's not.

They've got to do the work in order for it to stick.

I've had.

I've had that many times where I've done the work and done the work and nothing changes.

I said, bingo, you know, there it is.

Well, and I would imagine that there's also, in my students, I will say, okay, there might be a little bit of anxiety left there, and it's just trying to take care of you.

But there's all.

Might also might be some investment, personal investment.

Oh, if I don't have this, then I won't be okay.

Is that.

So that's kind of what you're talking about, correct?

Yeah, correct.

So what do you do if you don't have that?

You actually have more space to experience something else.

So that's how I Look at it.

It's like you're giving yourself more space to possibly love yourself more.

Right.

You know, you, you reinforce the positiveness of the emptiness or whatever they're feeling.

Well, we have to take a little space right now.

I'm Anthony Wright and I am your co host today on the Living Conversation with Adam Dietz.

And our guest is Fran Bailey.

And how can people contact your friend?

They can contact me through my website, Fran baylorhealer.com and that's b, a, I.

L e y frail as one word.

Yes.

Fran bailey.

Healer.com.

Okay, great.

Yeah, that's.

Or my email.

Fran bailey.shiva gmail.com is my email and.

That'S s h v a dot com.

Great.

All right, we're going to take a short break and be right back.

So stay tuned.

I'm Anthony Wright and I'm your co host today with Adam Dietz.

Welcome.

We are here on the Living Conversation with our guest Fran Bailey.

And Fran, before the break, you were talking about working with clients and their energy field.

And how do people come to you and explain to us a bit about what the Shiva method is?

It was, it means seeking harmony and energy, voice and action.

And I was in a deep meditation and they gave me this word and I said, what is that?

What does that mean?

And so ever since then, it's been building and refining, as we say.

So it's a lot of, it's word of mouth because I've been, you know, I've been doing this for so long.

I worked with a lot of psychologists.

And.

Doctors and acupuncturists and word of mouth was pretty big.

And so I would have clients at my house for many, many years and then teach classes here.

And then Covid hit and, you know, so here, this became my best friend, this little sanding box.

Well, and here we are.

I mean, and here we are.

And it's curious about when you're working with physicians and psychologists, how do they get past the woo, woo factor of, oh, body energy?

What, what's that?

Yeah, well, why, why should we think about that?

They were pretty open and, you know, they kind of kept it quiet.

They didn't want to let people know that they were seeing me.

Who's Fran?

And anyway, yeah, I've had a lot of.

There's an interesting story.

I think you'll like this.

He's a therapist and I worked with the staff you know, their.

Their doctor passed away, and so they hired me to come work with.

They would work with add, adults and children.

And this is what is ADD quickly.

Attention depth, ADD hd.

Yeah.

You know, the attention disorder.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just so our listeners know.

Yeah.

So he.

These psychologists were very.

Most of them were ADD and very funny and, you know, kind of off the wall and hanging up in the ceiling when I come in and I have to pull him down.

But this particular gentleman wanted to see me, wanted to change his life and et cetera, et cetera.

So he came, I did energy work on the table.

I would do dancing, you know, I do stretching, I do meditation.

And he loved it all.

But this particular time, he had.

He had a hernia.

Hernia disc.

And the doctors that I work with, he went to see and they said, well, you need surgery.

You know, you're not going to be able to walk again.

And so this is how.

This work is very strange sometimes.

So I kept.

When I have a patient and I get them in my dream where I kept these visions.

I was driving one day and I kept seeing his disc.

I mean, here I am driving and I saw it whole.

You know, not bulged or anything.

I saw it whole.

And I said, look, Tom, you may think I'm a little cray cray, but I want you to come and see me and we'll work.

You can sit in a chair, but I really think that I can help you.

So he comes in, he kind of barely walks.

He's up, coming up the steps and is really upset.

And he, you know, this happened when he bent down to pick up something.

Anyway, so he's sitting in my.

My bedroom on a chair, and I start pulling this energy off of the heat off of him and pulling it all the way around.

So I'm.

It's like a.

It's like a no, but it's just this energy is the same pain that he had in his back, like, go around and he's sweating and he's crying and he's releasing.

And I go around the other side of him and go to the.

His right knee and kind of finish pulling this energy out.

And I said, okay, we're done.

And he stops crying.

He looks at me, said, the pain is gone.

Wow.

He stands up, he walks out and he's supposed to have surgery like the next two days, the next day.

And he goes to the doctor, he said, who do you work with?

And he said, well, this woman named Fran.

And she dances and he does energy and she does.

And he said, that's okay, don't tell me anymore.

And he said, I've never done this.

I've never walked anybody out of my.

They said that the disc is, you know, the hernia is gone, you know, you can walk out of here.

And he says, Tom said, he turned around, he said, does she do anything with weight?

Like he was heavy.

Do you.

Does she do anything with weight?

Right, right.

Anyway, that's a funny story.

Very interesting.

Yeah, well, I, I did want to address like the woo woo factor, as Anthony called it earlier.

I think it's so interesting.

A few, a few different things come to mind regarding that.

First off, my own experience, I know for meditation I had to see in my own thought something breaking through my own thought that was kind of not thought to have the idea that we have just that, you know, palpably something exists beyond thought.

Not just that you can conceptualize it, but you can experience it.

So that was an experience for me.

And then from there I was able to meditate and, you know, understand more energy in my body.

So that's, that's just one kind of connection I'm making here with my own experience.

But what is it frustrating for you that it's so clear that the world has matter and energy?

We know in science that there's energy.

We know that we move.

If we didn't have energy, we wouldn't be moving.

And does it ever frustrate you that something so simple and so obvious and so just fundamental to the nature of the world and the nature of life itself can be dismissed so readily or ignored?

True, but that's where, that's where the humbleness comes in, you know, where it's not your decision to decide for others where they are in their life and their journey.

So for me, like in the method, it's very, very simple.

You just learn these steps and these different self inquiry, kind of interest in your own spiritual advancement.

So if I can teach people about the chakra system, and that's just that level of understanding how the body works with the sphere of energy as a psychic center in the body, that's good.

So it is frustrating.

And I think that through the years, again, that humbleness sort of keeps you not detached, just allowing, allowing those to be where they need to be.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

Just letting people process how they need to process and go along their own journey.

I think that's uncommon in Western culture.

We want to evangelize, we want to sell, we want to bring a briefcase and say, hey, look at me, look at what I'm doing and buy it.

So it's.

It's a challenge.

And I appreciate that you're able to.

To walk that.

That tightrope.

Not always, but, you know.

Sure, sure, of course.

Yeah.

So it comes to mind also about what's happening in the world today.

And you notice that, particularly after Covid and I.

Actually, Adam and I had been teaching at university, and we noticed, at least I did.

I think, Adam, you did too, that the young people coming in were very depressed, and part of it was from the isolation of COVID and the other part was from the addictive quality of the dopamine addiction from their phones.

Right.

And what do you have in a recommendation for anyone in these times of political uncertainty and social involvement?

What can we do in a daily regimen?

I would say that the.

The biggest thing that.

Where you wake up is maybe do a scanning of your body.

You know, it's.

While you're laying down and.

And.

And proceed with what kind of day you want to have.

That's number one.

Okay.

What kind of day do you want to present, who is presenting and who is.

You know, where am I in my knowing of myself?

And do I, one, want to jump up and get into my phone and make that part of my daily obsession, or am I limiting the time?

I do that just to check in, put it down, move on.

Number two, remember the innocence of who you are.

The innocence is the biggest thing I just wrote about it is just remembering that the childlike person.

Child that we were and are.

And with this new energy, we have to bring that forward because it's.

It's.

You know, that is life.

That is living.

That is the compassion, that is the innocence of who we are becoming who we were at one time.

And so I think that the loss and the depression is that.

That we.

We as humans have to reconnect, and then that humanness can be expanded with the divine so that.

That the heart is speaking rather than this.

This immediate satisfaction, because that's.

It's just endless.

It's just.

There's nothing there.

Well, and it's been engineered in the algorithm to keep you hooked, you know, And I often say when you give a kid at age 11 a smartphone, it's like dropping them off in the worst part of town and saying, well, I'm gonna.

I'll come back in a couple weeks.

Have a good time.

These kids have no idea what's in the phone.

And a lot of times adults will also struggle with that.

But, you know, I. I do appreciate your.

Your energy work and you've become aware, I think it sounds like that as human beings we are more than who we think we are.

So we're coming up on we have to take a short break.

And I'm Anthony Wright with my co host Adam Dietz.

And we are here with our guest, Fran Bailey.

And how can people contact you friend.

On my website, Fran baileyhealer.com you can contact me there.

Just write me a note.

That's B, A, I, L, E, Y.

Yes, yes.

And there are all kinds of free meditations and, you know, all kinds of scenario.

My book is in there and all kinds of stuff.

But I do a free consult of, you know, if somebody wants to speak to me and we'll chat, phone and go from there.

Great.

All right.

We'll take a short break and be right back.

So stay tuned.

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