Rich and Adam go head-to-head over whether Democrats just committed political suicide or played 4D chess in the government shutdown negotiations. Their fundamental disagreement: Did Democrats save 40 million SNAP recipients while buying time, or did they hand Republicans total victory for nothing but empty promises?

[00:45] Debating the Government Shutdown

[04:02] Reagan's Shutdowns: Parties Over Politics

[06:15] Media and Political Satire in the 90s

[09:59] The 1995 Shutdown and Cultural Milestones

[14:36] Modern Shutdowns and Political Strategy

[31:56] Healthcare and Political Strategy

[32:48] Republican and Democrat Dynamics

[36:22] Progressive Movements and Establishment Politics

[43:47] Economic Principles and Policy Impacts

[48:32] Government and Institutional Collapse

[51:19] Epstein Scandal and Political Implications

[01:02:38] Final Thoughts and Future Predictions