What happens when you go to a conference and focus on having conversations rather than “networking”?

In this episode, I’m sharing a few of the chats I had throughout the day - from books therapists are reading, to a research resource I didn’t realise I already had access to, through to creative ways of working (including Minecraft in therapy).

It’s a mix of ideas, reflections and practical insights that might give you something new to think about in your own practice.

Takeaways

Here are a few things that stood out to me:

• You may already have access to research resources without realising
• Networking can be as simple as having some interesting conversations
• Books are reflecting a shift towards lived experience and identity in therapy
• Creative tools like Minecraft can open up new ways of working, especially with neurodivergent clients
• Working with children often asks something a bit different of us
• Having the right systems in place can free up more time for the work you actually want to be doing
• Practice management systems take data security very seriously

Speaker Information

PCCS Books 🌐 pccs-books.co.uk

Kel O'Neill 🌐 counsellingandtraining.co.uk

Place2Be 📧 qualify@place2be.org.uk

Ellie Finch 🌐 playmodeacademy.org

WriteUpp 🌐 writeupp.com

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Keywords: private practice tips, networking for counsellors, continuing professional development, BACP membership benefits, accessing psychology journals, therapy resources, counselling and social media, eating disorders awareness, working with children and young people, creative therapy tools, Minecraft in therapy, neurodiversity and counselling, body image issues in youth, trauma-informed therapy, practice management systems, research in psychotherapy, digital resources for counsellors, building a counselling practice

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Josephine Hughes: 00:00:01

You know, I have been on this site so many times and I have never noticed that or thought that it was for someone like me. So I've been buying journal articles.

Suze Lisle: 00:00:11

Your journal buying days are over because you have access to this fabulous database.

Josephine Hughes: 00:00:15

of BACP since I graduated in: 2010

Suze Lisle: 00:00:23

Now you do.

Josephine Hughes: 00:00:24

Yeah. 16 years later. Welcome to Good Enough Counsellors, the podcast for growing a private practice without the pressure to be perfect.

I'm Josephine Hughes, counsellor and creator of Therapy Growth Group, helping you get the clients you want and create the practice of your dreams. One of the things that I encourage my members of Therapy Growth Group to do is to make the most of networking opportunities.

And that word networking can fill us with dread, especially if you're quite an introvert.

So I'd like to reframe it and share it as being a series of interesting conversations because you never know who you're going to meet when you network. And recently I had the opportunity to do this when I attended the BACP Children, Young People and Families Conference.

And I met up with people I know and also met lots of people who I didn't know.

And I thought it would be fun today to share some of the conversations I had on the basis that you'd probably find them really helpful and interesting too. And that's what I'm sharing with you today.

Now, I know that you, as therapists, you're not only interested in your online CPD and your face to face CPD and conferences, you spend quite a lot of time with your nose in a book as well. So I thought it'd be interesting to find out what books people are currently reading. So listen in to hear what's popular at the moment.

And your name is?

Katie Moffat: 00:02:17

Katie Moffat.

Josephine Hughes: 00:02:18

Oh, hi Katie. So you're a therapist by training?

Katie Moffat: 00:02:21

Yes, I am indeed. And I am also working for PCCS books publisher. As in my previous life I worked in publishing for many years as well.

Josephine Hughes: 00:02:31

Oh, wow. So doing both, you should probably.

Katie Moffat: 00:02:33

It's a hybrid.

Josephine Hughes: 00:02:34

Yeah. So do you sort of help them knowing what's relevant and that sort of stuff?

Katie Moffat: 00:02:38

It comes in useful when we get manuscripts in to have a read through and see what the contents are and whether it resonates for counsellors and whether it resonates for what's happening within the world of psychotherapy at the moment.

Josephine Hughes: 00:02:48

Yeah. Brilliant. So I thought I'd ask you about what's going down well at the moment.

What are your books that you're sort of like she says, leaning on a book. Better stop that. Tell me about some of your books.

Katie Moffat: 00:02:59

Well, I'm going to start with Janine. Janine Connor is the keynote here at the Beach EACP Children Young People and Families Conference. And so we published two of Janine's books.

The first one we published was Stop Something Nodding.

Josephine Hughes: 00:03:12

Yep.

Katie Moffat: 00:03:14

And the other one is. You're not my Mother.

Josephine Hughes: 00:03:17

Yeah.

Katie Moffat: 00:03:17

Janine's actually around today. She did the keynote and so it's great to be supporting that. And we are selling those like hotcakes, to be fair. And she's signing copies as well.

Josephine Hughes: 00:03:25

Oh, I didn't realize. I would have brought my copies with me. Hopefully she'll appear at some point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katie Moffat: 00:03:31

Things that are selling really well at the moment for us are we published a while back a book titled On Being an Autistic Therapist, which was edited by Max Moro, that has proved incredibly popular.

Josephine Hughes: 00:03:43

And so that's lots of different therapists talking about their experience of being autistic.

Katie Moffat: 00:03:48

Different chapters and different. I think there's 23 chapters and it's therapists. Exactly that. Talking about their experiences as autistic therapists.

Josephine Hughes: 00:03:57

Yeah, I should have bought that one as well.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:00

We're not going anywhere.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:01

Yeah.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:01

Something we published last year is the Black Women Trauma and Therapy edited by Helen P. George. Again that has proved incredibly popular and we're actually publishing later in a couple of months, Black Men Trauma and Therapy.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:17

Oh, that sounds really interesting that with Dwight.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:21

So again, really looking forward to that publication coming forward. And also just next to it is something we published probably about nine months

Katie Moffat: 00:04:27

ago, maybe longer, actually.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:28

Body Listing by Tim Brown. And whenever people. Whenever that appears at bookstores and people pick it up and it always sells out.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:38

Yeah.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:38

So it's worth mentioning.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:40

Yeah. It's not a very big pile, is it?

Katie Moffat: 00:04:41

No, it's not. It's already gone down.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:43

Lovely to see them all. And I've got my little copy of what to Die By Therapist Challenging Racism and Depression, which looks really good as well. Yeah.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:52

Thank you very much.

Katie Moffat: 00:04:53

Thank you.

Josephine Hughes: 00:04:54

And now I am going to tell you about something that blew my tiny little mind, as you'll hear in the interview.

I don't know about you, but whenever I want to read a research paper, it really is quite difficult if you haven't got a academic library that you can call on, it can be quite difficult if you're wanting to read a particular piece of research. Did you know that this is actually available to you if you're a bacp? Member.

I don't know whether any of the other big counselling memberships do this.

It really is worth asking them because this is the most fantastic resource, especially if you're somebody who's doing a piece of research, a dissertation or just simply you need to know more about a particular area.

Suze Lisle: 00:05:43

I'm Suze Lyle and I'm here from a company called EBSCO Information Services and we partner with the BACP to make sure that all members of the BACP have access to a gold standard database called Psychology and Behavioural Sciences Collection.

So this is a repository of hundreds of really high quality psychology journals and we also provide the BACP with access to the software which the journals can be searched upon. So it's a benefit of membership.

And if you ever want to find it, head to the BACPO website, log in and then on the top of the page look for events and resources, then you can scroll down to research resources.

Josephine Hughes: 00:06:28

You know, I have been on this site so many times and I have never noticed that although, or thought that it was for someone like me. So I've been buying journal articles.

Suze Lisle: 00:06:38

Your journal buying days are over because you have access to this fabulous data. So once you're on the research page, scroll down until you see EBSCO Information Services.

Now, just to explain what discovery is, think of it like Google in terms of it's got a very simple Google like search, but it's not searching the Internet, it's only searching the clinical evidence base so that you can be assured that what's coming back is bonafide.

Josephine Hughes: 00:07:06

It's high quality journals, basically. Peer reviewed sort of journals. Yeah. Should we try out a search? Yeah. So should we do something about gender affirming therapy for transgender people?

Yeah. It's coming up, isn't it? There we go.

Suze Lisle: 00:07:19

And it's come back with far too many results.

Josephine Hughes: 00:07:22

44,000. But we could, we could narrow it

Suze Lisle: 00:07:25

down, we filter it down. Yeah, you can filter it down by date of publication, you can filter it down by where the publication was published. So UK only resources and so on.

So it's a fantastic resource for BACP members. So go and check it out. We are really encouraging everybody to use it as much as they can.

Josephine Hughes: 00:07:45

of BACP since I graduated in: 2010

Suze Lisle: 00:07:53

Now you do.

Josephine Hughes: 00:07:54

Yeah. 16 years later. Thank you so much. You're really welcome. Thank you.

That database is a brilliant resource if you're doing some research, but also, let's face it, Conferences aren't just, just about the academic side. They're also about listening to other practitioners who perhaps have some expertise in a particular area.

So this next interview is with Kel o' Neill, who came to the conference to talk about social media and the impact on young people in terms of their body image and eating disorders. So I thought you'd like to catch a little bit of what Kel had to say.

So I'm here now with Kel o', Neill, who some of you will know works with eating disorders. And Kel, tell us why you're here today.

Kel O'Neill: 00:08:41

Well, I'm here today because I've been asked to speak this afternoon. I have a session titled Unreal Standards Real harm in relation to Eating disorders and Social media.

And I predominantly work with young people emerging adulthood kind of range of folks which for whom obviously the social media side of things is very important. So here we are talking about that and hopefully giving some of my practical tools on navigating that, particularly folks with

Josephine Hughes: 00:09:10

eating disorders, I was going to say, because it's just such an influence, Instagram type of stuff for young, I suppose young women in particular, but I imagine boys as well.

Kel O'Neill: 00:09:19

Yeah, absolutely.

Across the board, wanted to say across the spectrum then, but across the board maybe is more appropriate and I think particularly there's been a lot of conversations the last few years related to banning eating disorder type content on social media and some of the platforms do heavily limit the availability of access to things with for example, eating disorders, which wonderfully comes up with Beats the eating disorder charity if you try to search for it. But also the Internet's a great place for knowledge, so I don't know if I'm quite on board with totally banning it.

Josephine Hughes: 00:09:55

Yeah.

Kel O'Neill: 00:09:55

But maybe it's about teaching people to navigate these spaces in more critical ways.

Josephine Hughes: 00:10:01

Yeah.

Kel O'Neill: 00:10:01

So that they can access what's helpful for them and learn to filter out what's harmful. Just like we have to do out here in the real world.

Josephine Hughes: 00:10:08

Yeah, yeah. It's a really interesting conversation to have, isn't it? All about harm.

And I was just talking to Janine and she was saying that, she said, you know, some, an 8 year old kid might be able to navigate it, but a 25 year old kid might not be able to navigate it. It does depend on the individual, which I thought is an interesting point to make. Well, Kel, thanks so much for coming over and having a chat.

Kel O'Neill: 00:10:28

No problem.

Josephine Hughes: 00:10:29

Yeah. Look forward to speaking some more.

Kel O'Neill: 00:10:31

Absolutely.

Josephine Hughes: 00:10:31

Yeah. And I think what this conversation with Kel really shows is how complex the arena is for young people to be navigating these sorts of issues.

And I know one of the conversations that quite often comes up in my Good Enough counsellors group is do I need to have specialist training to work with young people?

So it was really nice to meet people from Place To Be and they described their training, which I thought might be interesting to some of you who perhaps are thinking about moving into children's work.

Kelly Swain Cooper: 00:11:05

My name is Kelly Swain Cooper and I'm the head of our clinical curriculum at Place to Be.

Josephine Hughes: 00:11:11

Well, it's really nice to meet you now. So we had a really interesting chat at lunchtime, didn't we, all about the training that you do.

Tell us a bit about training because lots of people say, do I need to have specialist training to work with children and young people?

Kelly Swain Cooper: 00:11:23

That's how we developed our trainings because people wanted to learn how to work with children and young people and there weren't any training.

So we have a whole suite of trainings and from that we then developed the ability to train people from the no qualification all the way through to qualification as well as translate their skills from adult counseling to working with children. And then we now have a training for clinical supervisors as well.

Josephine Hughes: 00:11:53

So that really help people who are working with other children, young people.

Kelly Swain Cooper: 00:11:57

Our clinical supervision course is for adult trained counsellors and child counsellors.

But yes, the Level 5 really is for adult trained counsellors who want to transition, just transition to working with children and young people and want that little bit of extra support working experientially, maybe working with non verbal communication and just getting that, getting that forum to learn with other people as well. So lots of our learning is experiential and reflection based and conversation with your colleagues who are going through similar experiences.

Josephine Hughes: 00:12:34

Because we had a really sort of interesting chat at lunchtime, didn't we? Tell me what you said about working with adults.

Kelly Swain Cooper: 00:12:40

For me, working with adults, it's a lot of verbal narrative and verbal content and I'm quite finely tuned to also feeling knots in my body being very visually sensitive and sensory sensitive. So when I have to concentrate on all of that verbal content, content as well as all those things, I find the adult work can be quite overstimulating.

Whereas I'm much, much, I think more, it's more in keeping with the whoness of who I am to really work with children and young people who use all of those modes to communicate.

Josephine Hughes: 00:13:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I take my hat off to you because as I said, children's counseling was not something that I was particularly skilled at.

But it's so good that there's available, you know, there is special training available and, you know, people like yourself who love doing it because it's, you know, we've all got a place and it's just so helpful that children have got access to people like yourselves, I think. Yeah. Oh, thanks so much. It's lovely to hear about it. Lovely to meet you. Thank you.

Kelly Swain Cooper: 00:13:38

Thank you.

Josephine Hughes: 00:13:38

I was absolutely fascinated by what Kelly had to say about her way of working with children and absorbing all those different streams of information. And I think it's really important to acknowledge that sometimes working with children is or can be different to working with adults.

But I'd love to introduce you to Ellie Finch now because Ellie has developed a creative resource, but she not only uses it with children, but also with neurodivergent adults as well. So I'd love to introduce you to Ellie and the work she's doing with creative digital tools.

Ellie Finch: 00:14:19

I'm Ellie Finch.

I'm a counsellor and a social worker and clinical supervisor and I'm also founder and director of Playmode Academy, which is a non profit that provides training to practitioners on using creative digital tools like video games, like Minecraft, popular video games, but also digital sand trays, other digital tools.

Josephine Hughes: 00:14:41

You can, I can see, really excited about.

Ellie Finch: 00:14:43

I am excited about creative digital tools.

Josephine Hughes: 00:14:47

We need people to come up with ideas like this. So you actually train people in work, sort of like in working with children and working with the digital tools, is

Josephine Hughes: 00:14:55

that what you mean?

Ellie Finch: 00:14:56

ractice. So when Covid hit in: 2020

Suddenly we were in little boxes and it was not very engaging.

ental health services back in: 2012

I didn't start using it until: 2020

Josephine Hughes: 00:15:43

Does it sort of appeal to all types of children or is it only some types of children?

Ellie Finch: 00:15:47

I mean, it's very. Well, it's very popular game. So it's considered the most popular game of all time. Yeah, it has over 204 million monthly players.

Josephine Hughes: 00:15:56

Wow.

Ellie Finch: 00:15:57

And Minecraft's so popular with children, young people and adults. In fact, adults equally, if not more popular with adults.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:04

You can use that well as well. Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:06

So I work with couples in Minecraft.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:08

Oh, really?

Ellie Finch: 00:16:08

And especially neurodivergent young people and adults. So there might be a couple where one or both of them are neurodivergent. And it's this, they can see that.

They, they, they come to me going, can we use Minecraft?

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:19

Because it will. Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:21

Help us to communicate.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:22

Yeah. Fantastic.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:23

Encouraging communication within families as well. So my family work as well. So I just had an academic paper published.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:28

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:28

About using Minecraft in family therapy.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:31

Wow.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:31

Yeah.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:31

Amazing.

So sort of bringing in all these sort of different strands of your life, sort of social work, counseling, having nieces and nephews, all this sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Did you have to, like, get commercial license from Minecraft to.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:42

Do you, do you can, you can get Minecraft education has commercial licenses.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:46

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:46

As therapists, as parents as well. It's available for people who homeschool who might want to use the education elements.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:53

Right.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:53

Obviously, I'm saying, hey, this could actually be used as a therapy tool as well, not just an educational tool.

Josephine Hughes: 00:16:58

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:16:59

And I've actually made a sound tray therapy world in Minecraft.

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:02

Oh, wow.

Ellie Finch: 00:17:03

So you can go in. It looks like a sand tray therapy room with a sand tray and shelves with items on that you can pull down and make scenes with.

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:11

Oh, fantastic. Yeah. It sounds like a really creative thing to do, actually. I mean, creative for you to create.

Ellie Finch: 00:17:16

Yeah, absolutely. I love it. Obviously, I, I, I've been doing this for quite a while now and, and I, I just love sharing. Sharing the work.

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:24

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:17:25

With other practitioners. Because I know that people are a bit tentative about video games.

If you don't play them yourself, you feel really like, oh, is that a space that I'm allowed in?

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:32

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:17:32

And I would say, like, although I gamed a lot when I was a kid, and this is why it kind

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:36

of is quite meaningfully cool for me

Ellie Finch: 00:17:38

because I think I, neurodivergent young person experiencing social anxiety, didn't go out, didn't access counseling, so just didn't find it accessible. If I had been able to use video games.

Josephine Hughes: 00:17:49

You think you might have been able to.

Ellie Finch: 00:17:50

I think you might have been able to access therapy. And so for me, it's really important to try and help people who might be tentative about using video games.

I'm not an amazing gamer in any way, shape or form.

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:03

So how do people get in touch with you? Because I think people want to know.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:05

Okay. Yeah. So there's the playmodeacademy.org website, right?

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:10

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:10

If you go on there, you can subscribe to my new. So you get a monthly newsletter.

You get 20 off my self paced trainings and free digital resources, including a resource I've made called Fear Responses in Minecraft. In Minecraft Creatures. So.

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:26

So it's sort of like scary monsters.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:29

Fight Flight. Fight Flight, Freeze with. With the Minecraft creatures that might represent those states.

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:35

Yeah. So really fun. Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:37

And playmate academy.org website has all my trainings. Lots of free resources on there.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:44

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:44

Just kind of contact me and.

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:45

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:18:46

Ask any questions.

Josephine Hughes: 00:18:47

That's right. Well, Ellie, what I'll do is I'll put it in the show notes as well so people will be able to see the link in the show. Thank you.

So lovely to meet you. You too. Good luck as you continue. You know. And it's in. I think you said you had an article published as well?

Ellie Finch: 00:18:59

Yeah.

Josephine Hughes: 00:19:00

Is that in the bacp?

Ellie Finch: 00:19:01

That's the Journal of Family Therapy. That's an academic paper that we just had published.

Josephine Hughes: 00:19:07

Yeah.

Ellie Finch: 00:19:08

Took three years of peer reviews and reviewing it. So, yeah, labour of love getting that published.

Josephine Hughes: 00:19:16

And as you know, my focus in terms of my therapy growth group membership is helping people with their private practice.

So I had to grab Eric from Writeup to talk to me about Write up, especially as I've been seeing quite a few people discussing practice management systems.

And judging by the queues of people who were waiting to chat with the two people who were exhibiting on the stall, this is a resource that people are really interested in. So Eric did a very quick interview with me to introduce Writeup how it works. I'm here at the CYPF conference and I'm talking to Eric from Writeup.

Hello, Eric.

Eric Lalonde: 00:20:00

Hi there. Nice to meet you.

Josephine Hughes: 00:20:01

Angie, What a lovely accent. Where are you from?

Eric Lalonde: 00:20:03

I'm Canadian. I'm based out of Toronto, but originally from Montreal.

Josephine Hughes: 00:20:07

Wow. Because it's difficult for someone from the UK to know the difference between a Canadian and a US accent.

Eric Lalonde: 00:20:12

I like to get around that. We're much happier people.

Josephine Hughes: 00:20:14

Yeah. So tell us a bit. You know, people are always asking, how can I make life easier? So tell us a bit how write up makes therapists life easier.

Eric Lalonde: 00:20:25

Well, if you think about running your operations. Right. I like to remind people that any practitioner or who went to school for a very long time always did it to help a human at the end of the day.

Right.

When you go to school, it's to either provide a service, provide education and support and there's very little business, or it education as part of that training. And that's where we come in. We try and make your life as easy as possible.

So from if you think about anything you need from a commercial operation, whether that be diary management, patient files in a secure manner, appointment reminders, all the way to potentially online booking or payments or invoicing, all that stuff can be done really easily in write up. I would say on average, and this is feedback from our users, they say that they will save on average 5 to 12 hours a week.

Josephine Hughes: 00:21:12

Wow, that's a lot of time.

Eric Lalonde: 00:21:15

That's a lot of time, right. If you think about it. So let's say if you were to save 10 hours a week, what would you do at that time? So would you spend more time with your family?

Would you see a couple more patients? That's a lot, right?

Josephine Hughes: 00:21:24

It's a lot of time, isn't it? And spend time on your marketing as well.

Eric Lalonde: 00:21:28

Absolutely. Well, that's the thing, right? If you're spending all that time doing admin work, you're not spending time growing your practice.

So less time on marketing, less time on the fun stuff that you want to be doing.

Josephine Hughes: 00:21:38

So can we talk a bit about security?

Because I know this is something that people are really scared about, you know, the thought of, oh God, you know what's going to happen to my clients notes and data if I use write up.

Eric Lalonde: 00:21:48

That's a great question. So it's important to see that everything that we do is fully GDP GDPR compliant.

So your data will never leave what's called the extended European area. So it's fully GDPR compliant. All your data will stay here, fully secure.

In over 15 years of operations, we've never had any issues and we help you make it secure. Right. As I was sharing earlier, I've met people who keep notes on their iPhone.

Well, most of that gets backed up to California, which makes you non compliant, right. People don't think about that. So sort of stuff.

So on our end we make it simple for you, we make it very secure and there's no breach or anything like that. One other thing I'd like to mention is it's important to make to do a bit of research.

Some competitors will actually anonymize your data and then sell it off to either research firms or insurance companies. We don't do any of that. So for us it is your data we're the custodian of Your data, we'll protect it.

But if one day you say I'm done with write up, you can hit a button, download all of your stuff, it's yours, you get to take away and we have to delete it on our end.

Josephine Hughes: 00:22:52

Yeah. So it's all sort of like follows all the necessary rules.

And I think the other thing that people might are thinking about, people who I work with is sort of online payments can be quite scary as well. So how does that work?

Eric Lalonde: 00:23:05

So we actually partner with the single largest provider in the world. So our backend is done by streaming Stripe, which is the single largest provider technically based out of Ireland.

And you can fully integrate your payments. So you can do back transfer, you can do sepo. If you're in the rest of the eu, you can take cards, credit cards or anything like that.

So you as part of online booking portal, you can ask your your clients to pay the session ahead of time or you can send them a payment link. So it's quite easy to use again fully secure the money will the funds will be deposit in your accounts within three days.

Josephine Hughes: 00:23:37

Yep, brilliant. Thanks so much, Eric. It's really nice to meet you. So there we are.

Just a few of the conversations that I had at the BACP Children, Young People and Families conference. There were other people who I spoke to who I didn't actually record, but it was lovely to be able to network with them.

And if you're someone who sometimes feels a bit shy about networking or perhaps you don't want to network, but you've got sort of other ideas about how you'd like to promote your practice at the moment. In Therapy Growth Group, we have three streams running in my Action Steps programme.

We've got people who are blogging, people who are using social media and other people who are networking. So there's plenty of opportunity for you to try out things that you'd like to experiment with.

And there's lots of resources inside Therapy Growth group and support to help you move your practice forward. I really hope you've enjoyed listening to these little snippets of interviews.

Watch out for me at other conferences with my phone and my microphone foam cover. I might grab you for an interview as well, but I'd love to know, have you enjoyed this episode? Has it been interesting?

Do drop me a line and let me know. And all the links to what I've been talking about today are in the show notes.

Thanks so much for listening and I will see you next week where we're going to have another practitioner interview. Bye for now. Thanks for listening. Do come and join my Facebook community.

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