76 - How to Build Revenue-Generating Apps in Minutes

In this insightful episode of the HighLevel Experience Podcast, host Vit Muller sits down with Nuno Tavares, a powerhouse in the world of marketing automation and AI. Nuno is the founder of Rapid Active Marketing and The Vibe Coding Incubator, and the creative force behind the Automated Marketer YouTube channel. With a rich background in corporate management and a passion for entrepreneurship, Nuno shares his journey from humble beginnings to becoming a two-time HighLevel Gold SaaS Award winner. This episode is packed with valuable insights into the power of coaching, the future of AI, and the revolutionary concept of vibe coding.

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Nuno Tavares is a visionary in the realm of marketing automation and AI. As the founder of Rapid Active Marketing and The Vibe Coding Incubator, Nuno has helped scale multiple businesses and build revenue-generating automations. His YouTube channel, Automated Marketer, offers no-fluff tutorials on marketing automation, AI, and HighLevel builds. With a background in corporate management and a passion for empowering others, Nuno is dedicated to making technology accessible to all.

Highlights 🔥

Key points we talked about in this pilot episode!

1. 👉 [00:03:00] Nuno's Journey from Corporate to Entrepreneurship - Nuno shares his background, detailing his transition from a corporate career to becoming a successful entrepreneur, and the challenges he faced along the way.
2. 👉 [00:11:00] The Power of Coaching and Persistence - Nuno discusses the impact of having coaches and the importance of persistence in achieving success, drawing from personal experiences and lessons learned.
3. 👉 [00:15:00] The Birth and Growth of Nuno's YouTube Channel - Nuno talks about the motivation behind his YouTube channel, focusing on providing free education and resources to help others succeed in the tech and marketing space.
4. 👉 [00:36:00] Understanding Vibe Coding - An introduction to vibe coding, explaining how it enables non-technical entrepreneurs to create apps by interacting with AI, and its potential to revolutionize app development.
5. 👉 [00:38:00] The Future of AI and Mass Personalization - Nuno predicts a shift from mass production to mass personalization in AI, emphasizing the need for businesses to adapt and leverage AI effectively.
6. 👉 [00:47:00] Scalability and Security in App Development - Discussion on the scalability of apps created through vibe coding, addressing security concerns and the importance of focusing on solving specific problems.
7. 👉 [01:17:00] Final Thoughts and Call to Action - Vit and Nuno wrap up the episode, encouraging listeners to explore vibe coding and take advantage of the resources available to enhance their business strategies.

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imagine one day somebody cracks the code on it.

How many more people are gonna be like, succeeding in life, in business,

getting coaches was by far also the biggest advancement and

biggest, like I was always doing okay.

But then when I got a coach and I got several coaches, like my, I,

I just skyrocketed in performance.

And the reason being is, I'm a big believer in like

I looked at your YouTube channel and your

videos, how you edit them, man,

they look really good.

how do you balance being informative, and engaging?

Well, keeping things practical and tactical.

I will tell you a very funny, and crazy secret,

very funny and crazy secret.

one.

Know your material really well, I'm in and out of the system all day

long when it comes to high level vibe coding, any AI automation stuff

I'm doing, what I'm building myself.

so what you've done on a, on a physiological level, you've created

such a strong synapse in your brain with that association that anytime after that

you wanted to make a video, it was like,

I believe that there is gonna be a rise of AI conductors.

And the people that have figured out how to conduct AI and like how to kind of

navigate and make 'em all work together.

Welcome back to another episode on the High

Level Experience Podcast.

Now listen, if you've ever felt like you're duct taping your tech stack

together or drowning in automation, chaos, today's guest is somebody

you'll want to pay attention to.

He is the guy agency call when their automated system is

actually just a glorified inbox.

He's the founder of Rapid Active Marketing, and The Vibe Coding Incubator.

And here's the Brains behind the Automated Marketer, a YouTube channel

where he dishes out no fluffs tutorials on marketing automation, AI, and high

level builds that actually make money.

Now, don't let the cool branding fool you.

This guy's walked the walk.

He's two-time HighLevel Gold SaaS Award winner, built automations that help

scale multiple Diamond and SaaSpreneurs, and even led $3 billion+ in client

portfolios back in his corporate days.

That's a billion with a B. Yeah.

He's also a creator of the, #1-rated Udemy course on HighLevel

and when he's not building revenue, generating automations, he is

mentoring people how to vibe code.

Very exciting.

Please welcome to the show, Nuno Tavares.

All right.

Well, uh, thanks for having me, Vit.

Uh, um, I, I feel like I'm a celebrity, just being on the show.

long time coming.

I know you've got some of my friends on here, so I'm pretty excited to be here.

Yeah, yeah.

No, indeed.

Yeah.

Look, I mean, everybody's a celebrity that's on this show.

I enjoy interviewing people and, people come from all walks of life,

successful saaspreneurs all the way down to, agencies who are just

getting started and everybody's got a, everybody's got a story to tell, right?

So I guess, to kick things off, what I'm curious to know, and this today's

interview is kind of unique in a way where, and this is for you guys listening

as well, me and Nuno, we've never met.

So a lot of people on this podcast before, I've met with them, I had

some meetings with them and stuff.

Nuno and me we never met.

So this is this is gonna be interesting.

I've done my research, but, from your own.

Perspective.

I'd like to know, how did you get to this point?

Oh, wow.

That's a, that's a pretty loaded question.

man, I'll start with, I don't think I, I should have ever been here.

so the funny part about it is, is that, I can't believe it or

not from a corporate background.

So I worked 25 years in corporate.

probably about 15 of those years.

I worked a side hustle job, and the reasons of me getting

into are really crazy.

So, believe it or not, I come from a pretty poor background.

I mean, I came from a different country.

I'm actually in the country I came from.

I'm in Lisbon right now.

not Lisbon in an island called Madeira.

It's a Portuguese peninsula.

But,

Oh, one of the craziest airports in the world.

with all the strikes, it probably wasn't the best time to go, but

actually there for the web summit, which is like a pretty virtual event.

But the reason I take you there is 'cause that's where it all started.

my, my family were, we, we kind of left, Lisbon, Portugal, and we

moved to the United States right when I was about the age of five.

I never even met my dad until we moved to the States.

when we moved to the States, we fell on some pretty hard times.

And literally living in a pretty bad area.

my parents couldn't get jobs 'cause, they couldn't speak English.

so they were, getting some pretty bad jobs, like working in

factories all day long and some pretty, pretty crazy bad stuff.

and then finally over time, I mean, and this is like through living in the

car, not having enough money for food to eat and really working our way out

of like where we were, to basically, moving into the nice area of that

neighborhood and going from there.

But the funny thing is that my dad for, a long time used to work in bars and

restaurants as waiter and a bartender.

and my mom was working these factory jobs, like I mentioned.

And finally my dad decided to open up his own company and my mom

decided to become a travel agent.

And then from there she really took off.

And then just, it, it just we slowly started getting out.

If anybody's ever been through that, where you start really,

like really bad off and then you just, there's no way to go but up.

Right?

after a while, these just worked their way out of, pretty much.

Just the bad situation we were in to get into a better situation.

Had a couple of ups and downs and, we kind of went that way.

My mom became really successful, became an office manager, started managing

people and just started really taking off.

I started doing little side hustles even by the age of 13.

I started work with, I was 13 as a bus boy, and started earning

money and everything else.

My father became an entrepreneur.

and honestly to say I became a, not a very great entrepreneur,

real incredible salesman, probably one of the worst businessmen I've

ever met in my life to this day.

loved him dearly, you know what I'm saying?

He was a great man, but, man, he just did, did not have really good

entrepreneurial sense of like how to just keep money, made money.

You just didn't know how to keep it.

and it got us back into trouble.

Like we kind of fell into a pattern and a rhythm.

So at some point in time, probably closer to 16 or 17, I said, I will never.

Ever become an entrepreneur.

I, after watching that, I was like, forget this.

I'm gonna go to school.

I'm gonna go into the corporate world, and I'm just gonna work

my way up, which is what I did.

Worked all the way up, worked in Fortune 100 companies, like Bank of America

Capital One, worked in hospitals, worked in, just operations management

and sales and all kinds of different op opportunities and positions.

But then kind of just worked my way up to an executive level.

managed a whole commercial services team, won a bunch of awards.

It was, it was really good.

but sometime during that, my, father did get cancer, the first time

around and it was like pretty severe.

And at the time, again, my father was an entrepreneur.

My mom only had that really steady job with the only steady

income, and it just wasn't enough.

Anybody going through that.

especially in the states, cancer's incredibly brutal.

Not only on the body, but like physically, mentally, and fiN8Ncially.

FiN8Ncially.

Bills can run up to, you

You guys have it?

Yeah.

You guys have it tough.

You get charged for everything,

Well, pretty much, and what's wild is, is like you'll

get a hundred thousand dollars bill at the end of a year that

that's how expensive cancer can be.

and then it kind of forced us to think of other ways to make money.

Now when you're working in the corporate space, you are capped.

You are capped at whatever bonuses you're at.

And I made bonus all the years that I've ever worked corporate.

The problem was is that you capped at the bonus, you can't make it anymore.

so you had no choice, but at some point in time to break

away and go do your own thing.

And then that's what I ended up doing.

I ended up starting doing a little side hustle.

Everything from building websites to fixing cell phones and people's, now the

funniest part was fixing cell phones.

Believe it or not.

I got certified in fixing cell phones.

It was always good in my hands.

This was when cell phones first rolled out and I was showing up to

people from a corporate job in a suit and tie at their house, like with a

little kit and like fixing, fixing cell phones with a suit and tie.

And people were like, what is it?

They thought they were being audited by the bank.

It was like hilarious.

I mean, and I did that for a while.

And I just kept taking these side projects on everything from website design to

selling dish services, for Dish Network.

I mean like literally anything that I could do to create a little bit

of side hustle and make money, to help my parents out at the time.

And also while living on my own and doing my own thing.

so that led to agency work and finally going from building websites

to then looking into automations.

And then once I got into automations, I really found a home

there 'cause it kind of fit along with what I was doing with work.

And then it was like learning one system after another system after another system.

And it was from everything from like email and active campaigns, setting up Google,

all the way to working WordPress sites and designing those and building those out.

And then just then active Campaign came along, then keep came along,

then ClickFunnels came along and I just kept jumping in and learning all

the systems the best that I could and I could always really give a tech.

and then just like one thing took off to another and then my little side

hustle turned into a very consistent, six figure like side hustle that.

I was operating very, very easily, really word by word, by word of mouth.

I couldn't advertise.

That's the funniest thing, was every time I try to advertise, like I would

get shut down by, by the company I saw we're working for, and I'll never forget

it, the first time I tried was I was in ClickFunnels and they said, right

from state, you just send out a post about how you're at ClickFunnels and

everybody should be here and blah, blah, blah, and take your affiliate link and

make your first affiliate commission while I post that link on LinkedIn.

And within the three minutes of posting, I got seven calls from HR

and one from my, from my like higher MVP saying, take that post down.

You don't represent that company, blah, blah, blah.

And it was just like, and then, I got called into the office.

They actually threatened to fire me because they said that

I didn't get clearance to have a, a secondary job, out there.

And then I had to get it finally approved just to keep the agency that

I was running, running for years.

because they, I, they found out that I was doing this on the side, which is crazy.

so I couldn't be on social media.

I couldn't advertise physically and I couldn't make any kind

of organic and social posts.

I couldn't even blog for Christ's sake.

it was hovered and watched.

and it's funny, if you ever look at my YouTube channel, June was when I

first officially got released of all the NDAs that I was, I was part of.

I quit in January.

and then June was the official NDA release.

And you'll see literally day 1st of June was YouTube.

And that's only got like a two year, three year kind of, mark to it.

But that, but that's how it was.

That's how insanely, tough.

It was.

But a lot of my business, like I said before, always came from referrals.

People were just, I do a good job, they refer more.

And then I just never, I never ran ads or anything else.

It was kind of wild when I broke into the wild and finally was able to run

the run to ads, then, things were, or, or advertised on YouTube, then

things came very, very different.

But that's a wild little journey in, in all of that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I gave you a very open-ended question, kind of bit of a backstory.

lots of takeaways from it, right?

The big one that I can kind of, relate to, it's the dedication to earning

your own money from a young age.

I, there is something special to it either by means of, your

parents, pushing you down that way.

It's Hey, if you wanna buy this nice t-shirt, like when I was growing up, like

all the kids were like, it was like the era of in the nineties, skateboarding

and break dancing and, vans and Quicksilver and all those cool clothings.

And my parents didn't have money, so like I had to go in.

Pen benches or something.

I think similar, like 13, 12, 13, 14, like that age.

So I can relate to that.

And there's something, I think it's a good education for any kids.

Just learn how you make your own money, learn that, to make money you

have to, you have to put some effort.

so yeah.

from your point, obviously you guys had a even tougher.

so there's a lot of, persistence, resistance and, and just building a bit

of a thick skin, I guess, in that process.

would you say that's something that, carried on for you up until this day?

Like the dedication to hard work or?

Well, yeah.

I, I, but, but I think if you, if you look back and, you, you and I have very

similar friends of like, all the really high performing, entrepreneurs out there.

I don't think I've met one that doesn't have a, oh, I, I would say like a

really crazy origin story, whether it was like coming from nothing or

having everything losing it and then having, regain it back or having

that just initial kind of inertia.

I, I, I think it's momentum.

I think it's like, I look at my kids now and like my big promise to myself was my

kids would never feel the pain that I did.

But then part of me like.

Always wondered, is that like the right thing?

You know what I'm saying?

So I go back and I'm like, oh, let 'em feel it a little bit.

And I always tell my wife, She's like, why?

Well, I'm like, let him feel it a little bit.

Let him work for things a little bit harder.

Let 'em know that this was a mediocre job.

Or they did okay.

They didn't do the greatest thing ever because back then things

were just like, I don't know.

I think, I think it was just like more of a social element.

It was harder, it was just harder.

Everything was harder.

nothing was as easy accessible.

Everything had to like be learned, be learned in a different way too.

Like I, I mean you're, I know you age yourself a little bit and I'm,

I'm kind of was in that same nineties era, and I can tell you that, like

when you had to work in something in tech, the answer was not easily found.

Like you would've to scour like forums and groups and you would pray to God that

somebody had the exact same thing that you had and that was going through it.

So it'd be like three o'clock in the morning and finally after 147 forums

and, 17 different reading through emails and all this other, you would

find The one button you needed to click in order to make everything work.

And it was like, I mean, it, it sounds dramatic, but it really was that bad.

And I think it, it, it made you like, search for the answers a little harder.

And I think I do it now too with YouTube.

'cause whenever I don't find the answer I want in something that I'm watching,

I go and find it somewhere else.

And now I've just come to a big conclusion of getting coaches was by

far also the biggest advancement and biggest, like I was always doing okay.

But then when I got a coach and I got several coaches, like my, I,

I just skyrocketed in performance.

And the reason being is, I'm a big believer in like getting to the fastest

solutions the fastest way possible.

And sometimes it's learning from the best that do whatever they do the best.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm not the best at everything.

And if I have to learn something instead of now scouring through the internet

and going through, I'm gonna go to the top guy and, and go through there.

But I think it's the same due diligence that I had and I think that

everybody should really recognize and take a minute to appreciate that.

Like I said, a lot of the entrepreneurs that I know that are wildly successful.

Are very persistent and very straight out and like always moving forward.

They're not, they're not ever looking back.

They're not really regretful.

They're just like super aggressive and like getting to the next step.

and, and I understand every now and again people go through burnout, but the one

that last and linger are the ones that are like super persistent, super committed.

And I think that once they hit a plateau and they're happy with it,

they know how to stay on that plateau.

Like again, we're, I've been very fortunate in the last probably say

five years, meaning some of the most incredible entrepreneurs ever.

and just having crazy discussions with them.

And I'm telling you, there's always that one similar messed up background or

damaged somehow and everybody's kind of screwed up somewhere, but it makes them

incredible human beings and it makes them like so, so incredible to talk to.

'cause I have a lot more respect for, people that have grinded to

get where they are a little bit.

And I'm not saying grind is the way to go or the hustle coach of that.

People were promoting back then, I don't even know if it was health.

You just worked hard.

I think now there's ways to make it easier, but staying persistent and

grinding through the negatives and the bad times and everything else really

give people to be wildly successful.

I mean, wildly successful.

and I think that's just like the secret sauce.

I don't think I'm in any different, I don't think my story's the worst.

I mean, you should hear some of the stories of the people I grew up with.

but some of those guys are like, one is, owns billions of real estate

and he came literally from nothing.

That Guy wa while I was eating out of canned food.

That guy was eating outta trash cans.

that that's how intense his upbringing was.

You know what I'm saying?

And he

always be worse.

There could always be worse.

Yeah.

Yeah.

so you mentioned your YouTube channel.

I was, I mean, I've got a couple things I wanted to talk to you about.

I mean, vibe coding is one of the big ones that really wanna dive into that.

'cause I know you and, Murray, you guys have been at it for a while and,

and, anyway, but YouTube channel, cur, I'm curious 'cause I, I looked at

your YouTube channel and your videos, how you edit them, man, kudos to you.

They look really good.

Do, do you do that yourself or that you've got somebody that edits

no, I, I have an incredibly talented, his name is LA He's been

with me for now going on two years.

and he's been growing with us, right?

So, he started off like we really needed a lot of work.

And if you, it is actually funny, if you go back two years ago,

videos look vastly different and his skillset is actually increased.

We've paid for lessons, equipment, computers, whatever

he needs in order to do it.

he's out from the Philippines.

I don't wanna share him too much 'cause he's mine and I don't wanna share him.

But, but he's been with me for over two years and he believes in the vision.

the vision, what we're trying to do with the YouTube trend.

And I say we, 'cause it's, a small team, not, not a very big, and, we are really.

Again, I, I, I kind of told you about my dad, right?

And I, I kind of told you about the lifestyle that I lived,

and the fact that we couldn't get the answers that we wanted.

There were no self-help.

There was no YouTube, there was no nothing.

I mean, my father grinded through crap and he didn't know that he needed help.

He just, he was just kind of told, put your chin up, put your best foot

forward and just, don't whine about it.

and there was no YouTube, there was no nothing.

You screwed up a business.

There was nobody out there, there was no coaches to hire it.

It there, there was all this pressure and resistance of being successful.

and I made a promise to myself probably when my father first got

cancer, kind of like an, like kind of tribute to him and just to ensure that

nobody else is out there struggling.

we've made a ridiculous effort to try to make education as free as possible

and to try to get anybody that's really struggling out there to be able to just

do something at home part-time, with very little to no money and start it.

I don't know if Matt Deseno and I, really good friend of mine.

Mentor friend, very close to Matt.

and we started a small little series that's called Start From Scratch, where

we literally did everything from building a website with zero cash, building,

like a business with zero money, zero advertising, you using AI at zero.

And I'll get into vibe coding in a second and why I think it's such a

powerful thing, and even everything's just so, there's just no excuse out

there that people will say, well, I didn't have the answer, I didn't have

the support, I didn't have any money.

And we wanted to like, remove all of that and provide as much education as

humanly possible out there to people.

That's why a lot of my groups that, we'll talk about are all free, because

I really do have a strong belief is if I can get somebody to be successful,

one, I can have impact on the world at a highest level possible because that

just creates a massive butterfly effect.

I mean, I can't tell you every time we go to an a high level event.

Oh, man.

Thank you.

Your videos are so helpful.

That warms my heart more than anything else, and it feels like I'm

having an impact in the universe.

And I wanna keep having that impact at the, probably at the highest level.

and in order to do that, you need to make money so you can have more impact.

that's the other thing I learned early on.

we can always try at a small macro, a micro level, but I wanna get to

the macro in order to get the macro.

I just gotta keep making money.

And, that's part of the goal there.

But, I'm a big believer in nobody should go through the struggles

that I had because there is easier solutions and easier way.

So beyond the commitment of getting out there and just letting everybody know that

anybody can do this, anybody can do this.

The mom with three kids doing it by herself, the, the father who's

struggling that doesn't know how to make ends meet, the person who's

fed up at their job is maxed out, doesn't feel like they're growing.

the individual that is dyslexic like I am, officially dyslexic.

This is not like a joke, kind of a dyslexic in which everybody likes to

joke about, like officially dyslexic.

True switching numbers.

A person who just didn't have the right education growing up

because they just didn't have the opportunities to get there.

Whatever the case is, I wanna make it like, YouTube became such a channel for

us to really put ourselves out there.

It was one of the best investments to this day that I, I'm so incredibly happy about.

and we literally, we, we were producing about two videos a week.

and we're throwing it out there.

Now.

I'm not that guy that's gonna go in there, make $10,000 in, in, two days.

No, I'm the guy that's gonna show you how to do things.

It's a how to channel.

we, we show you how to make money sometimes.

We mostly focus on how to things operate and work, and we're trying

to get the education out there because I, I am telling you though.

for anybody not really getting into technology.

and unless you're in like the physical labor jobs, like the plumbers,

electricians, and people that are gonna need that skillset 'cause that that

population's actually getting smaller and smaller, has a, the AI in the tech

world is getting bigger and bigger.

it's one or the other.

and if I can help you, at least on the tech side, do all that.

Or if you're a nutrition and you still need help on your marketing and

building things out, then I would feel compelled on, I'm on pushing people

forward and that's kind of been the model moving people and businesses forward.

This has been my motto for forever.

This is probably gonna be my motto until the day I die, because the one

thing that we none of us can do has, we're doing all this is stay still.

Because the second you get I don't know how to do this, or I don't have

the right logo, or, I don't have money, or, I don't know how to operate

a website, or I can't buy a domain.

Once all that nonsense kind of subsides and you just

understand, you just gotta do it.

like everything is, is, is literally there for the right picking if you just stay

persistent and consistent in your goals.

But that's how the YouTube channel formed.

It was just like, I kept teaching people the same thing over and over

again, and I'm like, this is crazy.

I'm like, this is like lunacy.

It really is.

I mean, it's part of being, what, what is it Crazy as doing the

same thing over and over again.

So we finally just started doing all the videos that people

wanted and we just took off.

And, we're, we're, we're gonna keep on doing it for as long as I can,

hopefully, which is a very long time.

So.

Yeah.

yeah, the channel looks great, the editing's awesome, and

obviously you're a good presenter.

guys just obviously check out Nuno channel.

I highly recommend it.

It's, I always look up to other channels who are way ahead of like mine

and looking at cool, what did I do?

What am I not doing?

And just learning little things.

but yeah, I think the big one is to hire the right person for that.

So that's definitely, like for me, that's the next thing I

definitely have to, tap into.

Curious.

So just on that topic, you're known, like the channel is like known

for no love real talk approach.

How do you balance being informative, eng engage and engaging?

Well, keeping things practical and tactical.

Oh man, that's a good question.

I wish I knew the answer.

I don't know if I figured out that formula yet,

like I see you, like on the camera and it's like a good flow.

You, I don't know if you, if you, if you're scripted or

you're just going from a just

Actually, so yeah, so, well that I, I will tell you a very funny, and

crazy secret, very funny and crazy secret.

So, one, I can't read off of scripts again, 'cause dyslexia

really makes it challenging.

I mean, really makes it challenging.

so it's really hard.

The second the, the words start, these just start switching.

It becomes really, so a lot of my stuff is unscripted, but I'll tell you how

I got really good at unscripted one.

Know your material really well, which I do.

I'm in and out of the system all day long when it comes to high level

vibe coding, any AI automation stuff I'm doing, what I'm building myself.

but I will tell you, I was incredibly bad in front of the camera and the

funniest way to get not bad at the camera.

So I decided one day that I said to my wife, I'm, I'm, I'm

gonna send my wife a love note.

for anybody that has a spouse, first of all, if you're an entrepreneur,

you should look literally like.

Treat 'em to goodness every single day because being a wife of an entrepreneur,

is by far one of the most challenging.

We're absolutely mad, we're absolutely out of our minds.

and the up and down swings that happen in the entrepreneurial space,

those, they, they deserve like an Academy Award or something like, I

I am, I'm laughing because I know my, so my wife, she, I, I

taught her how to do the editing on this script, so I know she's gonna be

watching this, so I'm just laughing because that's, yeah, that's so, so true.

Yeah.

and I was like, well, how can I make her?

Because here, here's, here was my fear.

My fear was one, I was working two jobs.

So think about it, in the, in the morning, I was working the nine to five

corporate, I would get up at six o'clock in the morning, sometimes even four,

do two hours of entrepreneurial work.

Start at six, get to the office by eight, by nine, work literally from nine to

five, go in closets and take calls from clients that were part of my entrepreneur.

Sometimes in the bathrooms.

I'm not exaggerating.

This is literally my lifestyle.

Go home from five to six, spend time with the family from seven

to eight, maybe, maybe one to two hours a week, I'm sorry, a day.

And then, after I put the kids to bed, I was working from

like nine all the way to 12.

And that was like, I did this for like years.

It was, it was insane.

and, at one point in time, like relationships get really tough, money was

tight because I was supporting my parents and I was supporting our household.

and it became very, very difficult.

So I was like, well, how can I make this better?

So I went to a workshop, and I, I, I met a coach and it was all about kind of

creating a really crazy balance in life.

we believed in creating balance between your, your marriage, your

kids, your body and your work, and more importantly, your spirit like,

and kind of making that all together.

And it became something really funny, And he says, well, what, what's going on?

He's well, I feel like I'm not communicating with my wife or

not, I don't feel she feels appreciated, all this other stuff.

He's so starting today and this is gonna help you in the future.

And he goes, I'm not, I can't tell you how this is gonna happen.

I want you to send a 30 minute video message, a 32nd video message

every single day, and you gotta stay consistent with the least 180 days.

So

it.

Send it to who?

to my wife, is this a 32nd online, like recorded set?

And it's so funny, if you watch any of my, you know how your videos automatically can

record up to the clouds if you have one?

And so I, you go back, there's like a gazillion, there's

like hundreds of videos.

So I started sending 30 minutes, 30 seconds, and I keep saying 30

minutes, 30 seconds to my wife every single day for the first two weeks.

The second week comes by, she goes up to me, she's she looks teary eyed.

She's are you dying?

Completely, utterly serious.

And I'm like, what you talking about?

I'm not that I know of.

I'm like, do you know something that I don't?

She's are you dying?

And I'm like, I'm not dying.

I'm like, why would you ask me something like that?

She's you keep sending me these messages.

And it's all about the, the good times, which you appreciate and

everything else, and you never done anything like that before.

So I'm terrified.

Are something wrong?

are you mad?

Or and I'm like, no, this is a, I just wanted to show you

appreciation and that's it.

She never responded to any of these by, mind you, 180 days went

by, never responded to any of 'em.

Just a little harder, a little like that.

That was about all I got.

So 180 days go on and I go on a little further, probably all the

way up, probably for a full year.

The full year stops and I'm like, okay, good.

I think I'm good.

I think I, I put enough in the love bank here, so let me just assist.

And by the way, this is a 360 something plus days of going, like literally

looking at the camera, being incredibly personal, coming up with a story,

coming up with something quickly to say.

And 300 in something odd days, right?

And then all of a sudden when I stop, my wife comes back and she's are you okay?

I'm like, I can't win.

I can't win if I do it or if I don't.

But the funny thing was, the, the days of doing all that broke the, all

the camera shy because then instead of imagining I'm talking to thousands

or hundreds or whatever people, I am literally talking to my wife or to

the person I love on the other side.

And that's where all the heartfelt messages.

And that's why it's pretty real because I, I, I am, I'm, when I'm

excited about something, I'm excited.

When I think something's crap, I think something's crap.

But it, it, it removed all that fakeness, you know what I'm saying?

Like that, I don't know how to describe it.

It makes a lot of sense.

I mean, this is like any habit, so what you've done on a, on a physiological

level, you've created such a strong synapse in your brain with that

association that anytime after that you wanted to make a video, it was like,

like I'm making video for my wife.

And it's I, I, I like to use this analogy of a highway because it's,

I mean, we're talking about business entrepreneurship and, and grind and

like initially grind and sticking to it, but it's also about habits.

And I used to be a personal trainer and some, like always trying to figure out

like what's the best way to teach people how to do better habits, like eating

healthier or doing something healthier.

Right.

And then I heard it somewhere, it was like this analogy of a highway.

So if you're driving and there's like lots of traffic.

And that's a representation of your, like an ingrained habit.

And that habit is not healthy and you wanna change it.

And so the idea here is you kinda have to like, make a detour, but

let's say there is no side road.

You have to like, chop through the fencing, make a hole through the

fencing, and then maybe alongside the highway is just a big, just jungle.

So you have to make your own path.

So the first time you have to like, make it, make a hole for fencing and

then grab, grab an ax and just chop some boots and just gonna go through

there and, walk through the bushes and it's gonna be like, painful.

But then the next time you're gonna walk through that same path,

you've made it a little easier.

And then you just keep going.

And then later on you realize behind you the, the, the nature

started to grow those, the, the bush and the trees back up.

So you can't actually go back.

And that's like the idea of how you recreate those synapses in

your brain to create a new habit.

I just remember that.

yeah, I know you because, yeah.

No, no, I love the reference of the highway because that

that's, that's exactly what it is.

You're always looking for, instead of going through the same exit that you

know, you're gonna get into the same traffic and it's gonna be the same path.

Yeah.

You kind of gotta make your own and like just go through it.

And it is, it is rewiring it, it, I, I'm telling you like, I know it sounds so

trivial, but like that little ha that little thing, like not only, made me

really easy on audiences going on stage.

Also make it real easy to teach.

Also made it real easy to just kind of go through it.

And now it's like I look for hacks like that.

in everything that I do, it was like.

Going to the gym, I would always have the early morning motivation.

'cause again, my day has to start at four because again, my, my kids and

the wife, I, I don't want to ever disturb them with like my habits.

and I was starting to struggle where ironically enough, putting my shoes

was like the worst thing in the world.

you get out of bed, you gotta put on your shoes and everything else,

but they're all way in the closet.

So what do I do?

I put the shoes right next to the bed with the socks already in 'em.

So then as soon as I wake up, I have no excuse.

The socks and shoes are right there.

It's says oh, for whatever reason that, that two second walk into the

closet, I don't want to lift today.

I don't want to go to the gym.

And it made it something a little bit different.

So yeah, whatever you have to do to hack your mind and you hack your body.

I mean it, look, we got rid of a closet.

We literally made up a closet and put something else in the closet.

'cause that closet used to be where we used to have all our junk food in.

My wife literally made it into a stationary closet for her crafts.

just so like we gotta eliminate the shelf.

It can't be here because if it does, it's not here, it won't exist

and we won't do it no matter what we tried, which is pretty wild.

but yeah, it's, it, it, it really does involve that.

but that, that comes with everything else that you have, even a lot

of the stuff that we teach.

it's funny.

what would you think, like in Udemy, we have over 2,500 probably

something students at this point.

What do you think the average completion rate of the course is?

I mean, statistically, course completions are very low in like

online education, like courses, so, Hmm.

I think your one is probably higher, outta 50%.

No way lower than that.

It's one of the best schools, right?

Everybody that takes it, that takes it fully.

Nothing but great reviews and, and high stars, right?

we probably have I think it's 4.8 writing or 4.7 advances between those two.

When, if I would tell you that you literally can start a business,

run everything from that $20 course that you would ever need to

do anything inside a high level.

And even telling you that the average completion rate is only about 3%.

3%.

good interactive, like 10 to 15% going in there.

Which believe it or not, the national average is, what's really scary about

that is it's a $20 course and we were gonna sell it for nine point 97.

we were actually gonna keep raising the price depending

on how many members you got.

And then again, going back to my morals and Helping as many people

as that we decided to drop to 20.

Like that.

Nobody had the excuse of not ever to take because of the money situation.

And it comes with all this craziness, right?

And still only a 3% completion rate.

And it boggles my mind because it's funny, people will come into the

YouTube channel or they'll show up, well, I'll meet them in person.

And it was like, oh, I got your Udemy course.

And I first ask 'em, well, what do you like about the course?

Where are you stuck at?

What struck up with you the most?

And their answer is, well, I haven't started yet.

And I'm like, I'm like, then why'd you buy it?

You know what I'm saying?

So it's I get it because I am notoriously, but I grab a course, I

will take it for what I need it for, and then I'll move on to the next course.

But I am telling you, there are so many people that like will buy a course

and shelf it and not, and then say, well, high level didn't work for me.

Or, vibe coding didn't work for me.

And then I look at the, their course completion, it's like zip and like they

bought and it's like literally sitting there and I'm like, I, I, I don't get it.

so, I, and what's wild about that, we talk about habits.

And the reason this kind of ties into that is, there is really, at this day and age,

no excuse other than self-motivation and getting yourself to do something, to learn

how to do something, to do something and everything else, because there's so many

videos, there's so many YouTubes, there's so many coaches, there's so many courses.

and I honestly believe that there's some great courses out there that people

like complain don't work, but they don't even try the things that are in there.

now if you fully have tried and it doesn't work, then it doesn't work for you.

Maybe what you tried, maybe your approach is wrong.

And again, not everybody has that internal drive, but what's wild

about is everything that we give away for free, honestly, is worth it.

I, I've paid.

Three times the amount, like $400, 800, 900, 10,000.

I paid for course once.

You know what I'm saying?

Just 'cause I'm that desperate for that knowledge.

But if I'm paying 10,000 for the course, I'm taking it super seriously.

But believe it or not, 3%, we tried to go in there and actually

encourage people to take the course.

Hey, have you tried this?

Have you gone to this site?

Have you gone here?

Look at this video in there.

Watch that video in total and it'll solve all your problems.

And that's what's wild about it is.

but I still believe for the 3% that are actually doing it and they're seeing

massive success, but it just kind of like, my next goal is really like, how

do I get people to like fully take it?

Because I know if they'll take it, my systems will work.

Getting customers will work.

Everything that they've ever dreamed about in their businesses work,

their money situation will change.

But I just need 'em to take action.

And motivating people to take the initial action is like my next like conquest.

Like, how the hell do I do it?

Like how do I get people more motivated?

How do I reward 'em?

How do I like.

I mean literally like, how can I reward you for, for

learning, so then you can get it.

So let's do a segue from this into vibe coding.

Imagine one day, I mean, somebody's gonna crack the code on this, right?

I mean, this is, and again, this is guys, this, these are like

industry-wide statistics, like online course completions are low.

I really overblown it with the 50%, but I was just being really positive.

But it is, it is, known to be very low, but imagine one day

somebody cracks the code on it.

How many more people are gonna be like, succeeding in life, in

business, just by getting the shit and, well, the first thing is the

increasing the completion rate.

But then obviously then the, the other thing on the back of it is like taking

action, which is a whole nother thing, but imagine if somebody could crack the code

on it, like what impact that would make.

Now if I wanted to make an app like that up until this day, I would have

to go like developers and stuff, right?

Now vibe coating from the way I understand it is for non-technical,

entrepreneurs who wanna create an app.

but you've, you know a lot more about it than I do.

So, can you tell the guys what is vibe coating?

So they should almost called it like flow coding,

like when you're in the flow.

vibe coding was originally like created, so then people, like you said, normal

people that don't know how to code can vibe their way or can flow their

way through actually creating an app.

Very little coding knowledge right now.

The greatest thing about flowing or vibing, right?

Or if you and I were out and we were having a blast and everything else we're

talking, we're jiving, we decided to, let's say you and I, 'cause we know high

level, we started to build a snapshot.

We would talk it through, we would build talk through, and we would just

build something pretty cool together and all of a sudden we would launch it.

It's the same kind of concept with vibe coating.

Vibe coating.

Instead of you talking to me, you're talking to the system like

a person and you're going out there and you're developing it.

You're building it out.

Now, the coolest thing about vibe coating, believe it or not, it's

not that it's hard 'cause it's not.

We've literally had people as.

Young as 9-year-old, nine year olds, all the way to 94 year olds, like

really getting out there and doing this.

and it's very impressive because as long as you know the format and the way to

build, you will easily pick it up and then you can just keep going back and forth.

Now, just like everything else that I mentioned, it does require a little

level of persistence and a little knowhow, right, of what to do first,

what not to do, and it's more of what, what not to do and how to communicate.

So, and, and, and I'll tell you what, look, you wanna look into

the future crystal ball, and I'm telling you this right now.

Part of my job in, in, working with the Fortune 100 companies was always

perceiving what was either gonna happen next, either in the wrong way or in

the right way, and always thinking ahead of it by a year or two, right?

I'm telling you right now in the world of ai, and the biggest mistake

a lot of people are making with AI is we're, and it's not a mistake per

se, it's everybody's mass producing a lot of the really good, kind of like.

Entrepreneurs out there, they're using AI to do their jobs faster and

better and more, and just more of.

So we are right now in the era of mass production because we

are mass producing content.

and it's semi not great quality.

And what's gonna happen probably in the next two years, not, and I say probably

'cause this will happen, it's just like when it happens, I'm not exactly sure is

we're gonna go from this mass production cycle to this mass personalization wave.

And the mass personalization wave is when people are gonna start pushing

back and going to, and they're gonna say, I, I, I, I don't this, this is ai.

I I don't want AI to do this.

I want you to do this.

And it's well, how do you leverage AI to do your job and not make it look like ai?

And then how you make it personalized enough, or it fits Vit, it fits

Nuno and it doesn't matter.

It doesn't feel like it's part of the AI like mechanism and universe.

Right?

And if you wanna get ahead of the market for the next two years, I'm

telling you this right now, I believe in my heart of hearts, I've talked

to analysts, I've done millions of interviews with people with ai.

We are gonna go from mass production to mass personalization and

the people that start ma, like mastering mass personalization.

And the reason why vibe goes is, is the path to do that is like you just set it.

What if I come up with an app that, and by the way, this is already in production.

If I come up with an app that will reward engagement or create engagement

for people in my group and my group only right now, I've created a mass

personalized approach for my individual audiences that possibly nobody else has.

The same thing with high level.

What's the difference between my high level and your high level if we're both

white labeling and everything else?

Usually it's the person and usually the niche you serve and probably

some little insides of what yours does that the other ones doesn't.

Right?

What bonuses does it come with?

Now imagine your bonuses come with apps that are specifically niche tailored to

help your customers talk about standing out and you're now why Everybody's still

pitching the same white label, high level.

Here you are pitching.

White label plus Vit's version of, of it.

And it comes with all these additional apps that are meant for Vit's people.

Whether it's like podcasters or whether it's like book writers or

whether it's like anybody else.

well how do you stand out and how does your package per se, very,

it is very customized to those individuals and that's the way you

gotta really start thinking about it.

But think of it even further than that.

we're talking about mostly high level.

Again, it's our favorite tool.

We love it.

It's like I, I promote it from, from like again and again.

I would never promote something that I don't physically use.

I run four businesses all run through high level.

I'm able to do with a very small staff, incredibly low overhead because we're

running it all through high level AI automations, vibe coded apps, you name it.

and I gotta be honest, it was hysterical.

Like the vibe coding thing is so real that one day I got completely

frustrated 'cause I, I was paying $15 a month for an app that literally is

just added a button to a calendar.

Like it added a, a calendar event button.

To a page or to an email.

I'm like, this is stupid.

This is absolutely ludicrous.

I'm paying $15 a month for this stupid feature.

Why don't I vibe code it?

So I went in, I told it exactly what I want.

I vibe coded the app, and now I give it away for free because it's

like, why was I paying for this?

This was the most ridiculous thing to pay for.

It literally creates the button in like minutes, and it took me

five minutes to vibe Code five.

So with vibe coding, just, I'm not sure if we've covered that

bit, but just to make it clear, this is when you, instead of learning how

to code and you're coding it, you're talking to AI and you're saying, Hey,

generate this code, create this code.

there are apps on the market, like lovable.

what, what goes into, like if somebody wanted to have a crack at

it, if somebody's listening right now is let me have a crack at it.

What should they do?

what, what would be like the easiest, quickest way to,

to have a go and try it out?

Is

So I, I, I'll tell you, like all of 'em are pretty good.

There's about four major players right now in this game, but probably

a few more that are popping up, right?

So first and foremost is, lovable, lovable AI is our recommended because

it's the easiest to learn in our opinion.

it has a lot less breakages and honestly, it, it, like our Vibe

Code community is completely free.

You guys should join it.

again, there's no, there's no nothing.

Like I said, I am completely passionate about helping people out.

We do have VIP upgrades, but honestly that's for people that

are really serious and wanna take their rap to the next level.

But for anybody just beginning, join the vibe coding community comes with

a free course on how to do things.

We also have, the YouTube channel also has.

how a Vibe Code me and Mario Aldayuz, which I know you know well.

me and Mario, have been vibe coding every Friday for God knows

so many Fridays at this point.

so we have example of us using this.

We have examples of us building it out.

Now, I will tell you that, four programs, lovable AI is our primary

and what we go to there is Base 44.

There is Replit and there is Bolt.New.

All good, all good.

There is nothing wrong with any of them, again, but for the ease of use and

what you're trying to do, I just find lovable the fastest and easiest one.

and now they had this pretty big upgrade, which was always the biggest

issues with people starting to vibe code, was that they could not, figure

out the database part of it, which is like whenever you build an app, you

need storage and, or you need sign in.

And that's always done through a database.

And it used to be the hardest things ever to do that.

Now when you do it in lovable and replicate and some of the other

ones, they automatically ask you, would you like a database?

And it will create it automatically for you.

Before you would, it would create it, but you would have to ask for it.

And it would almost like you would be building all this incredible app

and then have to go backwards and rebuild everything from scratch.

'cause you forgot your database.

the second thing that they all decided to do was start adding ai.

So now it asks you like, would you like AI to add to this?

But the funny thing is when you say yes, it doesn't add AI to the entire app.

You gotta also be very clear on where you want it.

but, and we go over this, that's why we have a little bit of instruction.

Like we have a, like about a two hours of courses inside the free community

that you can take again, completely free.

and, Kayla, Mario and I do do special guests in Yvonne.

Those are all people like we kind of paired up with to

get this free community out.

And literally we just hosted in Lisbon, at the web summit.

We did a live coding event.

This is a 70,000 person event.

I don't know if you've ever, it's insane.

I've never seen an event like this in my whole entire life.

It was 70,000 people and it was like stadium.

That's how big it was.

It was

level up in Dallas there was 1200 of us and we are raving

about it and that's 70,000 there.

Wow.

70,000.

We had an off, we had, we had an event that was inside of a

hotel that was five minutes away from the actual event we filled.

Probably had a close to a hundred in, because we only had a small venue.

We, we couldn't host a lot of people, so we, we probably could hold about

50 and we had pretty much about 150 altogether with two, three

Right.

It's kinda like leveraging off the fact that there's this big event happening,

so I'm gonna throw a lot smaller.

Yeah.

Smart.

Yeah.

And we did.

And it, and again, it was very short notice.

It was very last minute.

We, we also got called off from stage the lov lovable, ai, CEO Anton

was actually the keynote speaker.

and he mentioned that we were having a hackathon.

So, and we, we, we hosted it.

So it was pretty cool in front of 70,000 people getting

called out was pretty awesome.

and then we had people from all over the world, literally all over

the world show up in building apps.

People were walking away with apps, people were cheering.

They, they rated ours like one of the best, side events there was

in the, in the entire web summit.

So we had a lot of really good notions.

And then we're actually be gonna be holding a workshop and a

challenge in the next two weeks.

So just stay tuned to the YouTube channel, or more importantly, at

Facebook, and we're gonna announce it there and we'd love for anybody to come.

but the, the craziest part about all this was that you had literally people

with no, and I mean no absolute tech experience building apps because all they

had to do was build it in the right way.

We actually, believe it or not, we created an app that builds apps.

So what we did is we created the app that would help come up with

a nice prompt for AI based on our specifications of what we know works.

So you literally fill that out.

Once you fill that out, it gives you the prompt that you need to use.

All you gotta do is copy and paste it.

And then there's some other nuances that we teach, that are very specific

to our, our, to our little VIP community or our regular community, I should say.

but.

It, it, it really is that, and if you go on the YouTube channel, there's even

one where I built a very interactive quiz and I tie it back to high level.

We're gonna do another video that's gonna be released soon where we are using

purchasing and doing the purchasing of the app inside a high level and then creating

it through a web hook and then adding it to the app that we created in lovable.

So we're using high level and lovable variant interchangeably.

and we love doing it 'cause I think there's such a synergy there.

You could do your marketing on high level and publish your app

and promote your app and then have members going back and forth.

Very, very cool to do.

So the big idea of all this is you've got a problem,

you're trying to solve it.

An app doesn't exist to solve the problem.

You create an app for it.

And now, I've got a lot of questions.

I'm sure the guys listening have a lot of questions.

So let's say you build one.

Now, the commercialization aspect of it, pros and cons.

as, as opposed to if you get an coder who you know what you put in the code,

you understand it and everything, you'll let an AI to build a code and

sometimes the code may be a little bit wonky, until you, like you dig into it.

Then that kind of opens the whole question of responsibility over something that

you didn't sell and commercialize, I'm interested to know your thoughts on that.

And then also how, how do you then manage it ongoing?

Like how scalable is this?

pretty scalable.

So, so let, let, let's talk about a lot of those incredible questions.

So let's talk about a few of 'em, right?

So let's talk about what it was beforehand.

If you wanted to design an app, just to get it to demo into an MVP, which is your

most viable product, or the first initial version of it, you would've spent close

to like 250,000 north north of this.

and just, and then you might get a working app in six to eight months for

the most viable production, meaning it wouldn't be out for the public just yet.

And throughout that process, one, you would have to worry about what's

called scope creep of the project, kind of growing on its own because

you needed other things to connect.

And doing all of this, two developers staying consistent and not quitting on

you or moving on to a different project or, not being able to fix a bucket,

giving up and just going radio silent.

I spent in just getting a, a, a viable product to a testing phage

close to $30,000 in three months.

And I literally couldn't even look at the app.

It, it didn't, didn't do anything.

And these were pretty smart programmers from MIT and everything else, that that's

what the world was prior versus hey.

I want a button.

I don't wanna pay $15 for an app and I want a button on my calendar, or that,

that has this calendar event and I want it done quickly and I want it now.

And let me see if this is even something I can build.

Hey, ai, build me an app that creates a calendar event button and that I can

put it in my email and on my website,

Right, like the R2 event thing.

exactly right and then I'm done.

And it has the button.

It did, it worked.

Only crap.

It's only for me right now.

Can I scale it?

Yes, please.

Create a sign in and storage for other members.

Fantastic.

It creates it.

Now I have something there.

Well, let's make it live.

Hit publish.

Okay, well, crap, what do I do if this grows?

Well, guess what?

It has a database and you pay as you grow inside a lovable.

Now, the only caveats in the sa in the, in the things for all the apps

that we've launched, notice that I said I promised the payments.

Where in high level, why do I do that?

'cause of the security.

Security and all of these apps.

I don't care which one it.

Replit Lovable, Base44, Bolt.New, security is the bigger issue because

they, security is something that when you build an app, you spend

a ridiculous amount of money for.

But if I have only like names and emails and all the processing and all the other

information is inside of my high level, which is a secure behind two factor, has

a much more robust security system, then I'm much more comfortable to do that.

And if you can master both, then scalability is not a question and

either a security, because the three biggest costs that you're gonna

have when your app starts growing and designing is one mainteN8Nce

of the database and the storage.

That's always gonna be like a price, but that scales as you grow.

So by the time you're up to a hundred members or 200 members, you

won't be worrying about that part.

The second thing that costs you money is processing.

Processing is how heavy does the app use processing power,

server power and everything else.

So, believe it or not, it depends all mostly on the app.

If the app's very simple, solves one particular problem, doesn't

use a lot of ai, and you can easily get it in one to two seconds.

Your processing is always gonna be low.

Now, if your app does 17 different freaking things and it's like you're,

you're making all these crazy things and it does all this, your processing cost

is gonna be higher because you're using a lot more bandwidth, you're using a lot

more processing speed and everything else.

Layman's terms is don't build the next Facebook.

Don't build the next high level.

Leverage those tools, build the next micro SaaS, build an X. this thing does

one thing, this thing does that thing, this thing does that event calendars.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had an event calendar that we can use in high

level and just paste it somewhere?

Well, guess what I did?

I built an event calendar.

I put all my events.

Then just have it embedded inside of a webpage.

Can never do that before when now I got the ability to do that.

Build my own event calendar app.

You see what I'm saying?

there's a bunch of things you can do in order to do that.

Just when you're doing, at least for now, two things you have to worry

about is don't build 17 features.

Our recommendations, three features of the most in you're solving one core problem.

If you're solving one core problem, you're doing three

features at the most, guess what?

You are automatically gonna have a winner of an app because what

is the number one complaint?

Even with high level, do you know what the number one complaint is?

I get it every single day.

certain things are still a bit of a skateboard,

A little bit of a skateboard.

Not necessarily, but what's the number one complaint of any new

user or even current user in there?

That high level is too

overwhelmed.

There's just so

Overwhelmed and complicated.

Guess what they say about keep guess what they say about ClickFunnels?

Guess what they say about all that.

Number one complaint of any big apps that are out there.

Overwhelmed and complicated.

So if you're playing the micro SaaS game,

that

is why Infusion tur, Infusionsoft turned into being a Infusionsoft,

That's right because people's biggest complaint was, I go

in, I don't even know where to start.

And even now, this is why high level.

And and, me and Matt talk about this all the time like how do you make

it non-con confusing to new users?

Like where do they start?

And that's why high level invested so much money into onboarding.

And it's brilliant because the more you, you better you onboard the customer, the

longevity and your churn rate decreases.

But again, imagine you're solving one, one si ad event, like you mentioned,

is a multimillion dollar company and it's solved the one freaking problem.

One problem podium before high level podium.

Put a chat widget on your site.

One problem.

You see what I'm saying?

The micro apps is where it's at.

There's a lot of micro apps that make a lot of money.

And if the more niche specific your app is, the more money you can charge.

You see what I'm saying?

Because if like it solves, let's say like you solve a major problem for

all podcasters, one mega problem, you could charge a premium for that service

because you're solving that one problem that is annoying to everybody else.

And then it's just finding the price point of like, how annoying is it?

Is it Netflix annoying or is it like, 97, 2 97, 4 90 7,000 bucks.

An annoying, you know what I'm saying?

And depending on the size of the annoyance is whether, whether or not

people are willing to pay that money.

and that's another thing I learned through the corporate side.

The corporate side would call it the annoyance level pricing.

The annoyance level of pricing is, am I willing to pay a thousand

bucks or something to get solved?

'cause I don't want to deal with that and that costs me $3,000.

That one annoyance problem or that one problem costs me more money.

And why am I willing to pay what that money is?

So a lot of the apps that we've been publishing and launching five bucks,

10 bucks and it solves one problem.

but again, imagine if you take a conversation back, right?

How do I stand out in the world of a gazillion white labels?

It's a question we get all the time.

Like, how's my high level gonna be different?

Well, one, it's you.

It's your high level, so you make it with your personality.

'cause at the end of the day, people are gonna buy from you.

Well, the second thing is what bonuses can you add that are very specific

to solving that person's need?

Well, what if mine came with three different micro apps that solve very

common problems that everybody hates that are super annoying, but they're free to

you just for coming into my white level.

Holy crap.

Now I just differentiated myself.

Now while we, while we nerding out E An up.

Then we've got an integrator like Zapier.

What's used, a lot of people used to use over the last year or so,

N8N has become a real big thing.

I know you're, you're a big fan of N8N, but now high level

has released its own thing.

where do you see that going and why do you still love N8N so much?

that's a great question.

So same reason why I love high level.

For high level.

high level is very good at doing a lot of things.

It, it's, it really kind of peaks in certain things, like

obviously the voice to chat.

it does incredibly well.

The membership area is starting to really come, come along the calendar functions.

The automations, by far one of the best automation suites ever.

I mean, when I got high level, I don't know about you, but my Zapier build like

almost went to nil because of all those things we can do internally inside.

Now, when it comes to N8N, I think N8N is really mastering the game.

and I could tell you when I went into an N8N, like show and I met with

the developers and everything else.

The reason why they're gonna be around for a very long time is

they're already working with Fortune 100 companies because they do

something that was really brilliant.

They allow you to self-host.

So all these companies, like banks and everything else would never use a third

party software 'cause of all security.

But if I can host my own N8N service and solution inside of my own server,

all my security issues go away and I get the power of N8N behind me.

So I don't think N8N's gonna any n the way high level's exceeding at a lot of things.

I think  N8N's gonna do the same now.

We'll almost be like Zapier.

There are still situations where I still use Zapier.

'cause Zapier's just has things that because level doesn't yet.

That's all it is.

Or I'll use N8N because, and again, N8N has a lot more features as

of now that, high level doesn't.

I think it's a great pathway because they're trying to become an all in one

solution where we have to go to less apps.

That's always been the goal.

but I think in, certain situations, you're, you're still gonna be doing both.

I think it's a good path.

I think they got a long way to go.

I mean, we're so used to N8N at this point that a n just does so much.

I mean, we built businesses around it.

That's how big N8N is, where it's just automatically, everything's

done automatically on autopilot, done with a lot of care and,

and creativity in that space.

And I think N8N as far as an automation sub tool is amazing.

I think works incredibly in conjunction with high level.

And I think it makes high level do things that high level wants to do it themselves.

I think high level's on its way to get there and the fact that high level

always listens to its audience, I think it's gonna have some longevity.

I think it, it, it's just like I, I'm in the beta, I've been testing it.

I, we definitely need to do a lot more based on what we're used to.

And I've given 'em all the use cases.

I'm like, here's my N8N workflows.

Literally, I've given them all my workflows of this is what I do now.

Can you make this happen?

but the developers has assured me that it's gonna come, they're

gonna come incredibly close in the next couple months on that.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

it always just comes down to the use case and what you need to get done.

So if you, if you can't get it done there, then you use something else.

I know I've got, I've got a vendor that I'm working, one of my clients got a

vendor, from New Zealand and they do this specialized, 3D shopping experience

when you're buying these houses on like a trailer houses on like a caravan,

not caravans, like a, a container unit that sits on a trailer anyway, right?

So this company is specialized in helping the tiny home industry with this 3D

model that you can embed on your website.

And then basically the shoppers can go in and look, look at

it, and configure it and stuff.

And the guy sent me the webhook data and the data comes in with all the.

With all the individual, items, but they have spaces between, they don't have the

underscore, so high level doesn't take it.

If there's a gap between the characters, it's a problem.

So I had to work around it and then pass it through N8N and then have

this script that actually rewrites that web hook data into something

that can be picked up by high level.

So this is, this is what it comes down to when you start working with

businesses that need something custom.

Right.

so, I was gonna actually follow up on the topic of building a custom app, where

now you've got a thing of MCP and then in the ideal sense and where it's all

going anyway, is we all gonna have this.

AI assistant voice control, AI assistant in our phone or whatever, that you just

talked and say, Hey, can you do this?

Can you do that?

And that's where that will then trigger thing to pass through the MCP server

to go into high level, to go into your, maybe your custom, level, blah.

And then the data, passes back and dust things, right?

This is where it's all going.

Sounds super nerdy.

Sounds very techy, but is this something that, is nerdy or is this something, I

mean, it is nerdy, but, oh, let me phrase

Well, well, well Vit, I hate to break it to you,

but it's already happening, so I

is this, can we get away not having to worry about this?

Do the listeners not have to worry about it?

Or is it like, oh no, is this kinda like where it's all going and you kind

of have to start looking into that?

I, I, I. You do, you have to start looking into it because

like I have an agent now that does a majority of my things based off of voice.

We use a combination of high level, N8N, telegram, and basically we give

the assistants a bunch of stuff.

Some things are also on timers.

Where, every day it does certain things and it goes through a bunch of tasks.

and we keep advancing on this.

So it's not like we're slowing down.

We keep building agents that are getting better and better at what they do.

so we have a ton of agents that are consistently working.

like I said, we built businesses around some of these where you hit a button

and all this stuff gets done for you.

I don't think it's the time to slow down because here's again another prediction.

AI's obviously not going away.

There's gonna be a world where we are gonna always be the conductors of ai

because what AI doesn't do is, one, it doesn't have a real, doesn't have

the creativity in the brain that we need to spark the, to start it right.

and secondly, it won't, it doesn't know how to put all the things you need

together in order to make something work.

So I believe that there is gonna be a rise of AI conductors.

And the people that have figured out how to conduct AI and like how to kind of

navigate and make 'em all work together.

Because believe it or not, 97% of the population still using AI has a glorified

Google search, where it's like your, your doctor, your therapist, your, your,

your school teacher, your, your whatever.

It's about three to 5% are using AI automations at the N8N level, creating

automations for their agency and so forth.

Three to 5%, that's it.

And about 1% are creating what I call entire nervous systems.

Nervous systems is where it's almost like you hit one button and then

the AI instructs other ai, and then the AI then builds on the ai.

And now it's it's just like a world of its own and it gets very matrixy, right?

About less than 1% are doing that in the world right now, and that's where

the magic's gonna be because at the end of the day, it's really cool that you

got your AI running some posts for you, but wouldn't it be really cool if it.

Came up with the post, another AI validated, if it sounds like you,

another AI removed all the AI slop.

Another AI created images, and another AI finally made the

post after it's been approved.

Now you're talking about AI segments and AI agents, and you, you hear Sam Altman

saying and talking about it all the time.

That's the owner of OpenAI.

And he says that the agents, it's where it's the future's gonna go to.

And eventually, three years from now when the robots kind of catch up and

you've kind of seen all the robots take off, there's some that are already

like showing up in people's houses.

You are literally gonna have a note in your N8N do something.

Message passed on to a robot to go and do something.

Yeah, it's

And it already is happening at a micro fraction level.

So if you ever, there used to be something called IFFT, and I'm

aging myself a little bit here,

If this, then that.

yeah.

And then basically, You can create, programs in your phone that if you

hit a button, all your lights turn on, inside your home, the computer turns on.

and you can have all these things happen.

we are not very far from to what you said.

You wake up in the morning, you hit a button on your phone

or your on your watch, and it starts your whole entire house.

your robot wakes up, your, your, your coffee starts, which by the

way, I have that, not my robot, but at least my coffee starts.

I have that all on timers, all on different things.

and it's creating all of that.

So, that that is gonna be the future where we have things.

The big thing with all this profitability.

Business because everything costs money and human labor costs money and, and

it's about profitability and speed.

And so, and I, who did I speak to?

I spoke to, I was at a, a, like a short networking zoom call

today earlier with some business owners who just learning about ai.

And I said to them, look, I predict like this is, I'm already feeling it.

I'm, I'm seeing in the industry there's starting to be a bit more of

an uptick from businesses starting to actually be more proactive.

I mean, even you guys are now talking about how you're

using check GPT that year ago.

I was the one that was trying to explain it to you.

I predict after this period of, you always have Black Friday, Christmas, new Year's,

new Year's is like New Year's resolutions.

Business owners, a lot of business owners tend to think, okay,

what am I gonna do different?

How am I gonna finally break it and be successful?

Over the Christmas time is also the time where we get to sit down and relax

a little bit and we get to actually maybe consume some material that we

don't normally have time to dig into.

I predict ne next year is gonna be that, that that breaking point will

stand, finally see a big adoption.

Those businesses that will adopt the AI and start implementing all these

things, we'll increase profitability 'cause they're gonna save a lot of money.

Yes, I'm gonna pay, pay money for the tokens and stuff, but in comparison

to paying for labor or even just having to manage somebody to do some

things, it's just gonna be nuts.

So it's not negotiable anymore.

It's, it's both frightening and exciting.

Well, it is.

It, it is.

And, and, and it's like I said, this is why we're so big.

We don't want any businesses being left behind.

This is why we got really big on creating the vibe coding community, whether you're

going into the free community for high level, which we ridiculously promote.

It's free tons of resources.

My God, if you're not in there, you're missing out.

And then you have the vibe coding community if you wanna go that route, any

route that you wanna take, that again, will put you on the edge of, catching up.

'cause you're, everybody's always worried, oh, it's too late.

It is not too late.

97% glorified.

Remember glorified chat widget that like, people are just asking Googling,

they're googling inside of Chat GPT my wife does it all the time.

It drives me bananas.

but it's funny because I know what she's doing and it does make it easier.

She's getting the answers that she wants.

all of that.

But then you also have on the other side of all this, you have the

ability of creating your own apps and building all this other stuff.

And maybe a small percentage of the population is doing this.

You can easily get the edge on other people because you're

taking the initial steps.

Literally it is not that hard.

9-year-old to 94-year-old, not exaggerating, that's the actual range.

And they produced working apps when they left the workshops or when they came into

the community and doing whatever else.

Engaging communities that are provided to you for free don't take free for granted.

I think that's what it is.

Sometimes I'm like, I should just charge.

Maybe take, people will take it more seriously.

and I should charge maybe more.

'cause I know the more money people invest more.

They'll get it in there.

But regardless of which, jump on this right away because I think the problem

is gonna be, is that it will get to a point where the curve is gonna

get too steep and you can't get in.

But because it's still so early on, you're, you're, you have

plenty of ways to get in there.

And I'm not giving you one, I'm giving you two.

High level is a beast.

It is not going anywhere.

There are plenty.

I I literally just met somebody yesterday who we're building something

out for first in their industry.

Never heard of anything like it.

They're completely niched down.

They already have a small, a batch of clients.

They're gonna charge a premium amount of money for their high level instance.

But their high level instance, guess what?

It comes with a very personalized thing that only this business

does for this business.

And now they have it all packaged in a template.

It's beautiful.

It's gorgeous.

I'm like, this is brilliant.

They have people on a waiting list that are eagerly waiting to pay north of I

think a total of like 10 to 20,000 they're paying per month just to have this thing.

That's how insane this is.

And they're, they're working a full-time job, but in their full-time job, they

were solving this issue and they weren't getting the answers that they wanted.

So they decided to make a little side agency and started doing all this.

So there is really no nothing that can't be done.

We had a 9-year-old that won the hackathon, for lovable because they

created, help, like how to create, what are the, it was how to find people

to game with online, but they have to pass what they call the cool test.

'cause they didn't want any creepers around or any kind of adults.

So there's all these like questions that are very relatable to kids that

only kids would know the answers to.

And then there's an age verification and there's they have to put their school ID

in and they have to show a picture and they have to do a live video recording.

These kids are brilliant of like how to make it safe for kids

where it's only the community and like they have all these rules.

If you curse, you're out.

If you're this, you're out.

And they, and they won first place.

They literally, they're like, they were like nine years old.

There were two kids, nine years old.

It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

And, and here I am, I'm like trying to teach my kid this, and

I'm like, this is what they did.

Did you see how easy it was?

but it, it just goes to show you about, on the different things.

We had another kid, I think he was 12 years old, that made up Pokemon, Pokemon.

'cause my son always yells at me, inventory, where he would scan the card,

it would load the image, and then it would write, like what it was and everything

else, and how much it was worth.

It was crazy.

things that I didn't even know were possible this kid was doing.

and he was like 13 years old.

So again, I, I say this to say that there really is no excuse to jump in.

One, the community's free lovable cost you about 20 bucks a month.

high level.

You get a 30 day free trial.

you get a $97 plan, you get three accounts with it.

I mean, it's insanity like.

There is so much room for you to go out doing something,

and people are like, what?

What should I sell?

Sell the thing that solves the problem for the most.

and again, everybody's well, I'm gonna do this, this, this,

this, this, and the list goes on.

And I'm like, how about just focus on two things and try to get sold and try

to get those selling and then worry about everything else afterwards.

So it, it's, it's stuff like that that, that make it very interesting.

But, it's not too late for anybody to jump in your tolerance for technology.

You have to grow to it.

and you have to be a little patient and you just have to like,

kind of move forward with it.

And honestly, I would not, I I, I would not put it beyond anybody to build

the next million dollar apps and two big major articles as this happened.

One was released in the Times I believe, and it said, we will be, if we do this

right, the parents of today's kids will be building the next millionaires.

Base of the skillset that they know.

If things like vibe coding and creativity and like problem solving and understanding

those three gaps, that will happen.

And Sam Allman again just said, and I believe it was a couple of other people,

I think it was even the person from Nvidia, the CEO, he's we are the age

where a person can become a billionaire or a millionaire by themselves.

Meaning a solo can, a solo person can do this because they can launch apps

like this, get buyouts or whatever else.

So we are on that age.

And so if that doesn't motivate you to like kind of going out and doing that,

and if the age gaps that I told you about doesn't end the fact that it's free and

it costs only 20 bucks a month doesn't really motivate you then, then you're just

gonna be very content on where you are.

And that's perfectly fine to be content where you are.

But if you want more, and this is not enough, that this is like you have

to take the plunge, you have to take

Well, it's also, I mean, if you might be comfortable to have

enough and that cool, but like how long will you sustain having just enough

before all the other competitors who are gonna be implementing is actually

gonna squeeze out and take even that little bit that you're comfortable with.

So it's, that's why I say it's it's almost like it's non-negotiable where

in this crazy like time where it's like scary but also like exciting and

and it's easy to get lost in it as well because there's just so much.

Do you have any tips on that?

Like how do you adopt AI without losing yourself in

stop watching.

so who was I talking this to?

Keaton.

I don't know if Keaton Walker, but, incredible human being.

Love

he's one of the biggest affiliates for high level.

Yeah, he's got

yeah.

and he's such a real person.

and, we were talking about this is here's what's funny about the

world that we live in, right?

We live in a very small bubble, like all the marketers and

everybody that's in high level.

We are in a very loud atmosphere.

So what's happening is, is because everybody's so loud about oh, I just