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I'm dropping this special Thursday episode because I want you to hear directly from my students why Toxin Free in 3 has changed their lives, and today's conversation with Jen might be the most powerful one yet.

In this raw and real interview, I'm talking with Jenn Cicci (Beauty in the Green), an integrative health practitioner who survived two rounds of fluoroquinolone antibiotics that left her unable to walk without braces due to tendon rupture. This was a well-known side effect her doctor never warned her about! Seven years later, she still can't run and lives with permanent damage from what should have been informed consent.

But here's what really got to me: Jenn told me she left my course completely fear-free after years of following practitioners on Instagram who were constantly sharing scare tactics. She said, "I left that course with no fear," and I honestly got emotional hearing that because that's exactly my goal: to give women mental and emotional armor to navigate the clean living space without panic.

In this episode, we're chatting about:

• Fluoroquinolone toxicity

• Fear-based wellness content

• Functional medicine accessibility

• Alternative breast health screening

  📍 Oh, welcome back to the Toxin Free Podcast. And you might be wondering, Wendy, why are you dropping an episode on a Thursday? That is a great question. Let me tell you why. Over the next couple weeks I'm gonna be sharing real life stories from my toxin free and three students,

Their stories, their health journeys, and their experience as students of mine Enrollment for toxin-free and three opens on August 19th, and rather than sit here and tell you all the reasons why I think it's a course that every single person listening needs, I want you to hear directly from my students.

From young moms who just wanted to learn how to give their kids a less toxic childhood to women struggling with health issues trying to heal, and even health practitioners who want to arm their patients with accurate information. Today I am talking to Jen Cc, also known on Instagram as Beauty in the Green, and she's an integrative health practitioner, and she's a perfect example of why I built toxin-free.

In three. A few years back, Jen survived two rounds of fluoroquinolone antibiotics for pneumonia. Only to be left flocked, unable to walk without braces due to a well-known side effect of tendon rupture that she was never informed about. She learned the hard way that informed consent isn't optional, and now she's on a mission to make sure no mom ever leaves a doctor's office in the dark about what they're putting on their bodies.

She also shares our skin journey and how it was a constant battleground of rashes and breakouts, and doctors kept prescribing creams that mask the symptoms but never solve the root cause. But now her skin is clean and beautiful. And along her health journey, Jen unfollowed dozens of practitioners on Instagram who were sharing a lot of scare tactic content because she realized that constant panic wasn't supporting her health.

And after taking the course, she also realized they weren't sharing accurate information anyway. And here's the best part, Jen Credits toxin free and free with giving her back her peace of mind and her purpose. She left the course completely Fear Free. Launched a concierge health practice committed to accessible functional care where clients can DM her ingredient label questions in real time.

And now she tells every single mom she meets. You need this course. This conversation is raw and real, and I hope it resonates with you. Let's dive in.  📍

Jen. Welcome to the Toxin Free Podcast. How are you doing today?

I am doing amazing. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited for this.

I, I'm really excited for my audience to hear this because I do think there one are so many women that need help and support with functional medicine and holistic living and clean beauty. Listening to this, obviously they wouldn't be listening to this podcast if those that were not things that mattered to them, but you have a unique journey, a unique story.

But I also think that you have something very relevant for everybody to hear, and I wanna dive into that. But first, let's just start with, you are a certified integrative health practitioner. I have never met anybody in that field that didn't have a really good reason or personal story that kind of led them that direction.

So tell us a little bit about you and what brought you to that world.

Yeah, so, I feel like it's so long ago, but my son's only 16. my son was born and he was in the crib and he actually started teething on the teething roll, the crib. I mean, he was eating the wood and all that stuff. And so I was sitting there and I've always had that entrepreneurial mindset and I'm like, I need to create something.

And so I created a teething rail cover with a safety feature that there was no risk of suffocation, and, actually ended up getting a patent on it. And I

a minute. How did I not know this

Yeah, I don't really talk about it. And so I had an organic crib, bedding and plush toy business. Yeah, it was called Baby Talk.

B-A-B-E-E. That was my business. And I was in bye bye baby. And like it was a really, really cool business. It was a lot 'cause it was just me. I was all by myself and so I did everything. It was a lot, but it allowed me to stay home with my son and like, it was just, it was a really, really cool experience.

And then COVID hit and I had to shut my business down.

In that whole process, you know, I think especially when, we become pregnant, we start looking at the products that we're using, we start looking at what we're taking in, so that was actually my beginning journey of like when I first got pregnant.

Like what am I putting in and on my body? And to be honest with you. 16 years ago, I realize it now, that I was still putting toxins on my body and I was not using, I mean, I was using method, you know, like that was what I thought

the better, the better option. I mean, back then

mean,

was, that was all that was available. If you weren't DIYing your products, that that was it.

Exactly. But you know, and even looking back then, I'm like, oh my goodness, I used plastic bottles. Like, what was I thinking? And so I've just, I've learned so much through the years. But I just decided that I wanted to be healthy. I wanted my family to be healthy. And so I ended up getting certified as integrated health practitioner, not for anything other than just knowing this information for myself and helping my family.

And so that's what I did. And then I got.

Not planning on making a career

no, no. I never wanted to do it. And people always ask me, they're like, why aren't you doing anything with it? I'm like, I don't feel comfortable putting people's life in my hands. Like, I just don't, I don't like it. But then I just continued and I got more and more into it.

I started my Instagram account and just started sharing health and wellness tips. And I'll always take a course, if there's a course that I can take, that I can be more educated, I will take it. And I ended up getting myself. Second certification with IHP, actually after I took your course, and it was at that point after I got my second certification and I realized that there's so many people out there that just need balance in their body and you know, people don't realize like inflammation.

Causes disease, right? And actually stress causes inflammation, which causes disease. And so, you know, if I could help somebody just balance everything, whether it's their hormones, whether, but my biggest thing is people need to look at what they're putting on their body. That is my biggest issue with things like you go to a doctor because you're not feeling well, you have a headache, your skin is bad.

You know, you have all these issues and they just give you medication, but they never say, what are you using? What products are you using? Because if you look at the products that you're using. And you take away some of those toxic products that you're using, you can feel so much better. And I, that's how I cleared my skin.

That's kind of how I got to where I am. And to this day, I'm still learning. From you actually. I just, I, I mean, every time I hear about something I'm like, let me go see what Wendy's thinking about this, and I feel better.

I love that. Yeah. I, you know, isn't it funny how, and I have found this to be true amongst the vast majority of my students. I mean, I have some people that grow up in crunchy homes that kind of rebel and then come back to it and they tell me, oh, well, I kind of grew up this way and I realize mom was right, kind of thing.

But the vast majority, like 99% of them. Have a personal health reason. They got tired of doctors not taking their issue seriously. They got tired of being sick and only being offered medication and or they had a child or got pregnant or was trying to get pregnant and women. Something triggers in us, we will take care of that baby before we take care of ourself.

So we instinctively want what's best for them, even before we think about what's best for us. And so a lot of people in that age range having babies, trying to have babies on infertility journeys. Those tend to be the people that that end up in my classes.

Right, right. And honestly, I always say if somebody gets pregnant, it's seriously like this is the course that you need to take seriously. feel like every mom needs this course because. You will learn. I mean, I even, I mean, for as much information that I thought that I already knew, I felt, but the other thing too is I feel like, especially like moms to be, or people trying to get pregnant, you don't know what you don't know.

Right. And I feel that you, when you, you know, if you get educated and you feel empowered and you, and also there's that, that, you know, that fear. Because you go on social media and there's all these, I mean, I have to unfollow so many people because it's constant fear. You are gonna die. If you take this, you're gonna die.

And that is the one thing that probably my favorite thing about your course is that I left that course with no fear, so that was like one,

I wasn't expecting you to say that and

no,

I got super emotional just hearing that because I, that's, that's my goal.

You know? So it's the little steps that you take. And that's why I truly believe, like that course is something that every mom should take if they would just take the time and just listen and learn. They will do they that it's doing so much for themselves, for their family, for their baby.

I can't tell you how much that feedback means to me. You know, one of the things, I was sitting down talking to somebody who wants to take the class and I was saying, Hey, well we open in August, so you're gonna have to wait, but you know, what can I help you with now? And same thing, just following all of these Instagram accounts.

They, they're in my dms every day. People forward me. Other people's videos constantly. Hey Wendy, what do you think about this? And I think that those people, even if they're well intentioned, are doing such a disservice to the people who are truly trying to be healthy. And you know, when you scare people on the internet, your reach blows up.

You know this, you grow on Instagram, you understand this from somebody who creates, who is trying to reach as many people as possible. If you put out something inflammatory, scary, you know, the like, gotcha kind of stuff, I can be sassy, right? I can say sarcastic and sassy things. That's just a person, part of my personality, but.

To purposely go in with the intention of making somebody's nervous system go into fight or flight. And it's almost always missing context. It's always missing like that person's actual risk or routine or relevance. And it makes me crazy because if somebody's afraid, they're not gonna be in a state of healing at all.

And so my goal with the course and the reason why I just got so emotional hearing you say that is. Honestly, when I think of like how I want somebody to walk away, I want them to see one of those things on the internet, and I want them to be so educated and empowered and understand and have the knowledge that they need that it doesn't even phase them.

Yep.

That's my goal. I like wanna give women armor like mental and emotional armor to like, get on the internet and be like, no, I, I am aware of that risk. I fully understand it and you're being dramatic next and swipe, and then never think of it again.

Yep, that's me. That's me. And honestly, I did not feel that way before the course. I honestly didn't, I, I knew stuff. I, you know, I knew a lot about things, but I was the one who I would listen to an influencer, you know, the, you know, the practitioners, honestly, the health, you know, and it's, and they're saying stuff, and I'm like, and then you start to think about it, and then you're like, oh my goodness.

And then you start to stress about it. And honestly, stress is worse. Than the actual toxin.

It is a toxin too. I know. I joke on my top 25 toxins to avoid. I should have, I should have put stress as the, the like top on the list.

yeah,

Yeah, it's a big one. Okay, so you actually have another story that I want you to share, with the, my audience. I think it's really important for people to be aware when other people go through things so they know how to advocate for themselves, but you got pneumonia and had a pretty scary situation that is continuing to be an issue, and I, I want you to tell everyone about it.

Yeah, so this happened about, goodness, seven years ago, and I got pneumonia, went to the emergency room. I ha actually had a concierge. Doctor who I could call anytime and got pneumonia, went in the hospital and they put me on a fluoroquinolone. And people do not know this. And I actually wanna start talking more about this because this is so important because.

Fluoroquinolones are given out like candy. They're given out for urinary tract infection, which is so common, you know, and so, and when you look at fluoroquinolones, which I didn't know, I just listened to my doctor. You know, you go to the hospital, you just listen to what they want you to take. They put me on a fluoroquinolone.

It was Cipro, and then I went home and after a couple days, my ankle was hurting. Like, I couldn't walk. And I'm like, I haven't done anything. Like why can't I walk? And so I called my doctor and I was like, I can't walk. Like there's something going on. Is it something I'm taking? And he's like, no. He's like, you know, it's just probably part of the virus or whatever.

And I'm like, okay. And then I got sick again and I, um, my immune system was always really, really bad. And so I got sick again. This was probably like a month later. He didn't wanna see me. He just put me right back on a fluoroquinolone and a lot.

A second round.

Mm-hmm. So this time it was aox. And Levaquin, and I remember I, it was like a couple days later and now my other ankle was hurting, so now I'm like pretty much bedridden and it just so happened that my aunt who was teaching nursing.

At the time, came over to my house and I said, I don't know what's wrong with me. Like, I feel fine, but I can't walk. And she said, let me see what you're taking. And she looked at it and she's like, oh my goodness, I'm teaching this right now in my, in my class. This causes tendon rupture. You cannot take this.

You need to call your doctor immediately. So I called my doctor and I'm like, do you, you know, did you know this? And he didn't say anything. And so I started to do the research and here there was a class action lawsuit that was happening at that time. I missed it by like a month. And honestly, you have to find another doctor who will say, yes, that doctor should not have given you that fluoroquinolone drug.

There's no doctor that's gonna do that.

Yeah, they're not gonna do that.

And so I spent thousands on braces and I, I mean, just everything you could think of, the supplements, then I was getting steroids because I couldn't walk and here steroids are contraindicated with fluoroquinolones and so I, since that day, I have not been able to rent.

And so I think it's so important.

was seven years ago.

Yeah, I can't.

Oh my God.

So I cannot, I, I cannot run. I cannot go on long walks. I have to wear a brace all the time. And I have spoken to so many people who have also dealt with this, and I'm like, what's the answer? Like, I will try anything. I even did exosomes, like I will do anything just to be able to run.

And I am finding out that there's really no hope. Which is, which sucks, you know, there's like, there's nothing, there's nothing that I can possibly do 'cause I am so healthy. Like, when I look at the way I am, like I eat organic. I, I now like my sleep, like everything I do for myself is like, I can't be any healthier.

And the mere fact that like if I have to take an antibiotic, it goes right to my ankle. Which is crazy. So when you look and you do all this research on fluoroquinolones, you realize that if you have fluoroquinolone toxicity, they call it f fluxed, you can't take antibiotics because

they actually have a name for it.

Yeah. F fluxed and you literally cannot, when you take antibiotics.

It literally goes right to your ankle or to, well, it goes to my ankle. It goes to the point in your body that is the weakest, and that's my ankle. And so I guess I have to live with it. I don't know. I'm still doing research. I'm still looking for alternatives. I'm still looking for ways to, but I think it's very important because how many women go to the doctor with a urinary tract infection and fluoroquinolone is given out like candy, like most meds.

When it should be. And if you read, it should be the last resort that a doctor gives to you. The last resort.

Well, first of all, I'm so sorry and you already told me this story, but just hearing it like it is just, I think this is, I know for a fact this is one of the reason why women. And specifically women are flocking away from Western medicine and they are in droves looking for functional medicine, holistic medicine, naturopaths.

I mean, we are desperate for doctors to listen to us, care for us balance like the pharmaceutical issues of like, yes. That I am sure that antibiotic saves lives, but it is the overuse and the over-prescription and truly the underrepresentation of the side effects. I believe that for all pharmaceuticals, even if we're talking over the counter Tylenol, like if people knew how many babies ended up hospitalized for freaking Tylenol usage, it's like, these are just the things we don't talk about.

So I'm so sorry that that happened to you, but I hope. By people hearing this, they're ever in a situation where they're offered that, you know, antibiotic, they can advocate for themself.

Yeah, 100%. And it's just, it's literally, it's just the knowledge, right? Like when I tell people that I have fluoroquinolone toxicity, they're like, we don't like, what is that? Because it's not talked about. It's really not. But if you look at the Quinones, there's a black box warning on them now, and it should be the last resort, which it's not.

Yeah, and the core value of my course, what I do, everything that I talk about is informed consent and, and I tell people this and they don't believe me. I have a lot of friends that are not holistic or non-toxic whatsoever, and I am not emotion, like I love them and I want them to be healthy, of course, but I am not emotionally attached to the decisions that they make because it's their decisions.

I am emotionally attached to them having informed consent. Knowing what they're putting on their bodies, and that's why I teach what I teach. And so, yes, there is a time and place for medication, but every patient deserves informed consent. If you had been told, Hey, Jen, here are the, the potential side effects and here are the potential alternatives, you may or may not have made a different choice, but at the end of the day, had you still ended up in the same position, it would've been your informed decision.

Exactly, exactly. Just like my son was just in the hospital and they wanted to give him Tylenol, and I'm like, you realize that depletes the glutathione? And they just looked at me like I was crazy. You know, they're there to save somebody, right?

Especially in, in a hospital. They're not. They're not, you know, but I'm like, what? You know, I'm sure there's other alternatives and things like that, but they're just there to save you, which I get. There's a time and place for that stuff, 100%. But I feel like in terms of just living a healthy lifestyle. You know, going to your typical PCP, you're not gonna get the right testing, you're not gonna get an answer.

I can't tell you how many people go to their doctor and they leave there feeling so, they're so upset because they're like, wait, I came here 'cause I don't feel well and I'm leaving here with no answer. And I even went, I mean, this could, I could tell story after story, but I went to get, 'cause I wanted to get an ultrasound because my levels were really, really weird.

And, my functional doc was like, I need you to go get an ovarian ultrasound. I just wanna roll. I mean, we were rolling out cancer. And, and so I went to the gynecologist and I said, you know, I really wanna have this done. And she's like, why? And I was like, well, if you look at my numbers, they're like, it's very weird.

They're going up and down and it's, you know, I just wanna feel, I just wanna feel comfortable knowing that I'm healthy. She wouldn't do it and she would not do it. And she said, I'm sorry, I will not, I I will not write you a script for one. She wouldn't do it. And I remember I came home and I was like, had tears in my eyes and I told my husband, I'm like, like what?

Like what does it hurt her for me just to get a little bit of extra screening so that I feel comfortable. And she just wouldn't do it. And so I, and I know this happens all the time

all the time. All the time. I mean, we could talk for hours. I, we could talk about how this applies in maternity care. We can talk about how this applies in pediatric care. We can talk, you know, perimenopause. I mean, this happens at every step of the way. But you now practice. Yes. Tell me about that.

I haven't launched it yet, so I'm in the process of getting everything together. But my biggest thing is, you know, I had a functional doc and. I would pay $500 to have a 15 minute conversation with her, and then she would order me these tests. I would take the tests, I would have to wait weeks in order to talk to her again, again, another $500 to talk to her.

And I just, I, I, I like, and if I had a question, I couldn't. Ask her, right? Because they're like, well, you're gonna have to make a, you, you know, she can do a 15 minute call for you for one twenty five. And I'm like, I just have one little question and I just, I want something so different. And so for my practice, my, one of the biggest things that I wanted to do was offer that.

There's a system that I'm in and they will have access to me all day. And so they can ask me their questions. They can, if they're, you know, if they have a question about, and like one of my biggest things with my clients is the products, is making sure that they're using clean products. So let's say they're at the store and they have a question, I want them to be able to message me and say, Hey, can you take a look at these ingredients?

And tell me if this is okay and clean to use. So there's just so many different little things that I wanted to offer that I never got working with all of these different holistic practitioners. And it's not something

you're kind of creating your own con concierge

yes.

for people.

Yes. Yes. And so, and my thing is, you know, is you know, you have the people with the bad skin.

I have so many people who are like, oh my goodness, this rosacea, or Oh my goodness, you know, I'm so constipated. Or I'm like, oh my goodness. Like I look at people and I'm like, you just need tested. Like get tested, get to the root of the problem. And once you learn that and you start fixing things, 'cause it can be so many different things.

It could be heavy metals, you know, you could have a. I know for me, I was breaking out so bad. I had like a rash on my face. It was so bad. I was paying all this money to all these herbalists and I was, I remember I paid like $500 for this lady to send me these herbs. They were disgusting and they, and they did nothing.

And I, you know, and all I had to do was get a gut test. To find out that I had a bacterial infection in my gut. My estrogen was through the roof. And because I wasn't methylating properly, everything was staying inside me. And so everything was recirculating. All these toxins were recirculating in my body and it was all coming out on my face.

When you look at things like that, so when I look at people and I can tell right away, I can tell when I look at their face, I can tell when I look at how tired they are, I can tell that they're just sick. You know, like they're just sick inside they just need that balance.

They need to figure out where that issue is. And so that is, you know, one of my biggest things, like get tested, so many people won't and they say, oh, I do get tested. No, they go to their PCP and their PCP runs the general, the general labs, and they're not looking at so many other different things.

So my whole family, we, we all go to myself and my children who are now teenagers, 17 and 14. We see the same functional doctor. And my favorite thing to do every year is when we all get our full panels and I mean full. And could you imagine, 'cause you know what that means. Could you imagine if every person. Was able to get covered via insurance, a full and complete preventative panel.

Yeah,

I mean, I just, what a different world we, we would live in.

I mean, we, I mean, and you know, it's sad that insurance doesn't, but insurance doesn't pay for vitamin D levels anymore. Insurance doesn't, you know, I just went and had that perfection imaging scan done. I don't know if you know about that. Do you know?

You mentioned it to me, but I don't know anything about it.

It's amazing. It's an alternative to mammograms and it's.

I've heard, I've heard a lot about it. Yeah.

It's, it's amazing. And so I just went and had my scan, but insurance doesn't pay for it. Right. So all these women,

No, no, no. Go back. 'cause I, I heard you were, you're the only person that I know of that have that has actually done it. Right. So I've heard, and there's actually another technology too coming out that also is a mammogram replacement that doesn't have any radiation. Can you just share your experience though?

'cause I haven't actually heard a real person talk about this

Yes. So first of all, the place is gorgeous. Everything's pink. You just feel so happy when you walk in there and it's literally this table. It's this comfortable table you lay on there and it's a water bath and sound waves. , It's 30 times. Better than an MRI and they can actually just, their measurement that they can do with different masses that they find and stuff is insane.

Like, and so it was nine minutes each side. It was not painful at all. I left there, they send you your results in one week, and it was just an amazing experience. Like I left there and I was, because I've. I've had the mammogram, I've had the abnormal mammogram. I've had

Oh my very, my very first one

I had a biopsy. And here's the thing.

I have people who have implants. I have people who have dense breasts. When they go to the mammogram, they're like, we're sorry. You do have dense breasts, or you do have implants. We're not gonna be able to see everything. And I'm just like, wait, what? And then on top of that, you're, you're putting trauma to your breasts, which is causing.

Which is causing inflammation. Right. And so I, and actually what's even crazier about that is I went and got started getting thermography after that terrible experience that I had, I started getting thermography and ultrasound. Ever since then, I never went back and did an, and I never did a mammogram after that.

And people come to me and they're like, you're gonna kill people if you say that. But listen, my, my mammogram was abnormal because I had an infected root canal. And when I went for thermography. She said to me let me guess. Did you have an abnormal mammogram? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, in your, on your right side.

I was like, yes. And she's like, and she showed me on the thermography. She's like, do you see up here? She's like, do you have bruna? I was like, yes. And she's like, I want you to go to a biological dentist. I want you to get the cone beam. And I want you to see what they say. Don't say a word. Just see what they say.

And so I went and they're like, you have a root canal infection. And she showed me on the thermography, you could see the infection going all the way down to now where I have my titanium clip.

to. Yeah, there's, people talk a lot about root canals being connected to.

Yeah.

Breast cancer and even just being connected to inflammation in the breast and things that are also false, false positives. There's a lot of that. I am very careful to not give medical advice, but I do think that, alternatives are needed and necessary.

If you've read some of the reports on mammograms, it, they're, they very clearly state we have not decreased, um, you know, incidents of, I don't wanna misquote the report that I read, but that we need, we need better. We need better. We need something better, and we need something that's less invasive.

We need something that has less radiation. We need better technology. And I am so encouraged to buy some of the new technology that is women, by the way, women owned technology, which I love. That is coming out. I know there's a clinic in LA that people go to a ton. Their technology, they've proven is better than mammograms and it's completely free of radiation.

So I, I'm hopeful that these things can start to become more available.

So I gotta

New technology is expensive,

I gotta tell you one other thing, 'cause I learned this from the Perfection imaging place. There is this company, the Aura, Ora, it's called Ora, and it's literally for your tears. So they have found that there's two proteins in your tears that they can see if you are the precursor to breast cancer.

So this is, you can literally get it on Amazon. It's like this newest technology. And so, you know, this is something, I mean, there's so many really cool technologies that are coming out that is not invasive that can tell you so much. But you know, sometimes I think about it and I'm like, , we wait until we get the cancer.

We should be living as if, okay, you know what, I make a cancer. Let me live. The way that I should let me eat. Right. Let me use the right products. , Let me try to lessen my toxin load because so many people, you know, I'm sure you hear about the toxic bucket because once that toxic bucket gets overflowed, that's when we have our disease, right?

I, I do think that study that I teach in the course that I actually talk a ton about. Removing phthalates and parabens from personal care products for 28 days, and the testing that they did on breast tissue and how we do have these precursors, these pre markers that do show risk of breast cancer. And just in 28 days of removing those ingredients from.

These were, this was personal care only. This was topical. This was not even changing diet. Nobody was filtering their water. This was just, here's deodorant and shampoo and lotion. I mean, basics, basic stuff we talk about all the time. And the risk markers went down by 73% in tissue, like actual breast tissue.

And so I do think technology is just moving lightning fast, but you're right. Testing and getting something, knowing we have something early is important. But what is more important is all the preventative things that we could do that prevent breast cancer. And don't even get me started on all the companies selling things that literally are linked to breast cancer.

Putting a pink sticker on it for breast cancer awareness month like that is, I just can't. I just can't.

about the fact that now it's all marketed to these teens and I mean, I, I mean, I know 10 year olds who are wearing makeup and they're getting anti-aging cream. I'm like, what?

I know.

I mean, it's. Terrible. It's terrible. And the, you know, and, and parents just don't know, you know, they're just not, they're just not educated and they're letting their kids use all of this makeup and put all this makeup on every single day.

And I'm just like, oh, you know? And what's amazing is there are alternatives. There are healthy, there are so many healthy alternatives now, which back in the day, there really wasn't. But now we have so many awesome, healthy alternatives that we can be using. So.

Oh,

Yeah,

well I love this conversation. If somebody wants to find you and wants to follow you, you have fantastic content. And you are gonna be opening your doors for your, I mean, I feel like you should call it a concierge. Functional. I don't know. We'll come up. Maybe you already have a name? Do you have a name for it all?

you know what? I don't, and I'm still in the process of like, I'm a, I'm, I'm like, okay, if I. It, you know, what did I not have with all these doctors that I ever worked with? What did I not have with them? And that's what I wanna have with mine. So, um, it's still in the works, I would say about another month and then I'll be ready

So by the time this is airing, it might be ready, so may maybe I'll do a little follow

Yeah.

so people know, but tell everybody where to follow you.

So you can find me, on Instagram at Beauty in the Green. And then I also have a website, so Beauty in the green.com.

I love it. Okay, one last question. If somebody were to be on the fence about taking toxin-free and three, what would you tell 'em?

Oh my goodness. It is worth every single penny. Honestly, I've taken so many different courses and this was the one course that I still, to this day, if I'm in my car, like on my eight hour trip to go to get that perfection imaging scan, I literally turned on the course because I love to re-listen because you honestly can't listen to it one time and know everything you, I mean, you just can't.

That's why I have lifetime 📍 access. I people go back to it as many times as you want. When you have the capacity to go back to a topic. I want it to be always available.

Yes. And you can always message me, um, over on Instagram and ask me questions about the course. 'cause I, I can tell you a ton. I just, yes, 100%. It was, it was one of the best investments that I did in terms of my education, for sure.

I love that. Thanks Jen. I'm so glad you were here. Welcome to the talks and for each podcast, once you're up and running with your practice, maybe we'll have you back and we'll talk more about how things are going.

100%. That'd be great. Thank you so much for having me.

You're so welcome.

All right. See ya.

Don't go anywhere. Don't go anywhere. I just wanna make sure.