In this episode of the Charge Forward Coaching Podcast, host James Blasco sits down with Captain Karl Froling, a veteran leader with Flagler County Fire Rescue and the 2025 Florida Search & Rescue Responder of the Year. Captain Froling shares powerful insights on mental toughness, the four C’s framework, and what it takes to perform under pressure in the world of first responders. From high-stakes emergency calls in Flagler County, Florida, to multi-day search-and-rescue missions across the state, Captain Froling explains how training, preparation, emotional control, and confidence shape elite performance. He discusses the growing importance of mental health initiatives in fire rescue, the role of leadership development, and how mastering the basics builds unshakeable confidence in life-or-death situations. Listeners will hear real stories from the field, including rope rescue operations, large animal rescues, and the mindset required to adapt quickly when plans fall apart.

Whether you’re an athlete, coach, leader, or someone striving to build resilience, this conversation delivers practical lessons on focus, commitment, and staying composed when everything is on the line. This episode highlights the courage, discipline, and mental strength behind Florida’s emergency response community — and how everyday people can apply the same principles to their own lives.

Key topics:

Definition of mental toughness from a fire rescue perspective

The importance of preparation and training in high-pressure situations How the four C's—commitment, control, challenge, confidence—apply in real emergencies

Mental health initiatives and support for first responders

Strategies for maintaining emotional control during crises

The significance of mastering basics and continuous learning

Community outreach and awareness of fire rescue roles

Sound bites:

"Being prepared is key to mental toughness"

"In high stress moments, I live in the moment"

"Project confidence to calm the storm"

About the Guest: Karl A. Froling Jr. has dedicated more than 30 years to serving his community through fire and EMS. He currently serves as the Special Operations Captain with Flagler County (FL) Fire Rescue and was awarded the 2025 Florida Search and Rescue Responder Officer of the Year, recognizing his outstanding contributions to technical rescue and emergency response across the state. With more than 25 years of experience in technical rescue, Karl has developed extensive expertise in responding to complex incidents and sharing that knowledge with the next generation of rescuers. He also serves as an adjunct instructor with the University of Florida College of Veterinary Medicine, where he teaches Large Animal Technical Rescue. He has been married to his wife, Erika, for 30 years and is the proud father of two sons and grandfather to one granddaughter. One son serves alongside him with Flagler County Fire Rescue, while his other son serves in the United States Army. His career, family, and commitment to training have given him a unique perspective on leadership, service, technical rescue, and the importance of passing experience on to those who follow.

About the Host: James Blasco is a CTA Certified Coach, and a Certified Functional Mental Toughness and Resilience coach, and a Certified Neuroscience Coach based in Ormond Beach, Florida, with a rich background in sales, media, and entrepreneurship. Throughout his career, James has excelled in sales and sales coaching for some of the largest media companies, owned three successful businesses, and worked in media relations in the NFL. His diverse experiences have equipped him with a deep understanding of leadership, communication, and the drive needed to achieve success. James is also trained specifically to coach to all aspects of mental toughness and resilience.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Charge Forward Coaching Podcast. I'm your host, James Blasco Well, today we're going to talk about mental toughness in the four C's as always. And to help us do that, I have a very special guest. He is the Flagler County Fire Rescue Captain, Carl Frawling. And in 2025, he was the Florida Search and Rescue Responder Officer of the Year. So very impressive. Obviously, deals with high pressure situations.

And he is the perfect person to help us better understand mental toughness in the four C's. So, Carl, welcome to the podcast.

James, thanks thanks for having me on. it's it's a pleasure. First podcast, so I'm excited.

Awesome.

Yeah, they're fun. They're nice and relaxed conversations. So we're gonna learn a lot from you today. So why don't we begin with your your background, how you got into fire rescue, search and rescue, and you know, what you do on a day to day basis right now.

Well, I it's pretty funny. it's I was actually in my teens, early nineties, I was leaning more towards a law enforcement background, and looking at going to the military just out of high school, not really knowing what I wanted to do. my mom got a flyer from Broward Fire Academy in South Florida. And she goes, Hey, what about being a fireman? And I went

All right, I'll go check it out. you know, and went talked to a neighbor of mine, it was a firefighter, and he goes, Go put your name on the list and we'll see how it goes and you know, thirty years later here I am.

I've I've had a very interesting career. I've worked from South Florida, that was where I started my career, grew up in South Florida and then moved up to Central Florida in two thousand two. search and rescue was not something on my radar.

You know, the urban search and rescue. I went and took a rope rescue class early. It seemed interesting. with fire rescue, there's so many facets that you can get involved in and you just kinda find one and and make it your niche. went took a rope rescue class and kinda fell in love with it. And from there it's just been more and more training, more and more training, and you know, ended up

where I am now as the captain of special operations for for Flagler County.

So that journey obviously has paid off and the community's thankful that you did that. So what is it about being a part of such an important organization and role within a community that the community relies on, people rely on what what drives you to want to do that?

it's the challenge, really. It's the you know, even even in the the fire service in general, every day is different. y you you don't know what you're gonna walk in day to day. you know, you you show up in the morning and

It could be a nice easy day, simple things, or you end up with some of the most challenging things you've ever seen in your life. And you know, that's what really kinda got me hooked in the fire service in general. It's just not that it's not I'm not sitting in front of a computer all day, I'm not in an office all day. I'm not and I've spent some time in fire administration. It's not my f fun thing to sit in an office all day long, but you know, it's just that challenge of every day is something different. Every day is every call, every time

you go out is just another challenge.

Could imagine. And we're going to dive into mental toughness here and the four C's of mental toughness, commitment, control, challenge, and confidence. But I want to start with what does mental toughness mean to you? And you apply it obviously every day, but what what does it mean to you if you had to put it in a couple sentences?

you know, I really hadn't thought about it 'til you asked me to do this and you know, I've been thinking about it a lot lately. And I think it's just for me, you know, especially in my job, that mental toughness aspect really comes in from just preparing yourself. It it's being prepared. you know, it's

you know, how y how you go about preparing yourself every day, how how you go about, you know, and I know that's one of the C's, you know, we get into training and experience and and and all that. And it's just that I think for me that's probably the biggest thing. It's just being prepared and being ready to to do whatever. you know, whatever, whenever whatever time of the day it is. So I I think for me that's just a preparation thing for mental toughness for me.

And when I was preparing to have this conversation with you, that's one of the things I talked about is, you know, lots of times as say an athlete or sales professional, you know when the moment is, when the game is, when the presentation is, and you could prepare mentally for that and have these four C's on standby to help you. But in your situation, you could be sitting around having a cup of coffee and all of a sudden you're in a really crazy dangerous situation. The shift to do that.

is what I'm very curious about. I I think that's fascinating that you're able to do that.

So why don't we dive into the four C's? we'll start with commitment. You kind of brought it up a little bit earlier. The search and rescue, and even as a firefighter, there's a lot of situations that will be exhausting. they'll be emotionally draining. What keeps you and the team focused on the mission at hand?

again with our with our job and and and the way we do things, a lot of it has to do with the fact that we're training constantly. We're preparing ourselves. you know, I I tell a lot of my guys and especially new firefighters that come in is you gotta learn your basics. And and when everything goes bad, that training and preparation on the basics is what you fall back to.

you know, I taught EMTs for a long time, EMTs and paramedics and I used to tell I go, you know, you're you're an EMT and you learn all the basic medical things. Then you go to paramedic school and you learn all this fancy stuff. But when all that fancy stuff goes wrong, it always falls back to what you learned at the very basic level.

So if you're prepared at that basic level and you have your basic skills down, no matter what it is, search and rescue. i i even with our search and rescue team, we have a set go-to, you know, you shouldn't have to think about it set up. And then you pivot from there no matter what it is. And I think, you know, that's that the commitment to the training or just getting prepared at that basic level.

is really what makes the difference when everything starts to go haywire, which it usually does.

Yeah. Is is there anything within the team or the organization? Well, two things. Number one, is there any kind of mental training that you guys work on, whether it's as you're first coming on board or long term? and then secondly, does any of that that training or routines like tie into how you're gonna stay committed and how how you'll keep focused and

emotionally under control, things like that.

Well, w when I first got into fire service, mental health wasn't a big push really at the time. and late in within the past few years,

You know, suicide rates of firefighters have gone up from the stress of of what we see and everything else. And actually the the Florida Fire Chiefs Association has just started an initiative for mental health and mental preparation for all these things that we see. they just started a new initiative. I just got an email on it the other day, to help prepare. But mental health and mental toughness has taken on a new role really within the past I'd say probably ten, twelve years, where we are seeing a lot more

things to come in to help you mentally prepare for for the types of things we see, the the the mental challenges that we face. so there's training that comes out every once in a while for for that. you know our our chief now is

very big on leadership and training leaders and future leaders. So, we're starting to see a lot more of that training come up, you know, to train, you know, our current officers. You know, they even been doing it for like me for, you know, twenty, thirty years to the brand new officers that are coming out how to coach and lead and train the the new generation that's coming up behind us. So there's a lot of training coming up in that area to help prepare, you know, even myself now and in the future. So

Yeah, I could imagine. And you're right. It's really only been over the last several years where it's become a little bit more prominent. Obviously during 2020 and COVID, mental health became a a a much more out in the open topic and people feel a lot more comfortable with it. But it's funny what you said earlier about, you know, you didn't start thinking about mental toughness till I asked you to come on. And that's that's a response

Well then.

of a lot of people, whether on my podcast or

They're a client or just, you know, just a friend or family member I'm talking to. And they're like, you know, I never really thought about mental toughness or what it really was or how important it was. And that's how I've been over many years. That's why I got involved and and started educating myself and and so forth, because you realize how critical it is, not just in situations that you go into where it's like very, very critical, but even in daily lives relationships and things like that. It's it's really important. you you brought up

And we've touched on a couple of times on emotional control. I want to talk about control. there's really two aspects within the four Cs of control. And one is life control, just knowing you are in charge of your life and you you have things together the best you possibly can and you have some goals, things like that. But the other side is emotional control. And in working with athletes and others, this is usually one of the big topics they want to focus on. They they tend to

in high stake moments where the body physically gets that fight and flight situation going on, and maybe they have a certain emotions, they don't know why they're feeling them, or they can't control them or manage them. How do you work on your emotional control in those very high stake moments or where something really tragic has happened and your responsibility is to, you know, take care of the individuals, the situation,

and in the community as a whole, how do you gather your emotions and get under control?

I I I think in those those high stress moments I again it's just I I kinda live in the moment. you know, this is my job, this is what I have to do, this is what's going on and try to and almost hyper focus on what's what's going on at the time. And and really don't think about you know, the

I don't know a good way to put it, but the the death and the tragedy of it or the the despair of it. I don't really get caught up into that too much in the moment. And then, you know, the fire service is is very, you know, I think a lot of first responders and everything is very unique. Like we go back to the station and that's where we talk it out.

we'll we'll sit around, have a cup of coffee, talk about it. Hey, how are you doing? What do you think? you get to work with your crew so long you can tell when some things are affecting certain people than other people and you can kinda pull off the side, talk to a little bit about it I don't know how I do it. I just kinda do it. it's not something I've ever really trained for. but I find myself, you know, when I do get to those it's just you hyper focus on

what the problem is at hand. What what is the task right now? And really just solve that problem and and the rest of it I'll I'll worry about later. and then you know, usually that firehouse table is where a lot of mental health counseling goes on just between us. And, you know, over a cup of coffee or dinner or or whatever. is where that that

really that emotional control or or, you know, us talking it out and how we deal with a lot of that stuff.

I I can relate my wife is a cardiac ICU nurse and she says similar things and for them sometimes after an emergency, code blue, those types of things, they regroup as a team in the hallway or, you know, by the the the office location and do exactly what you described. You know, they have to kind of talk through it, what took place, the you know, things that were happening and also how how are how are each of you know the team members

Feeling,

literally

Right.

feeling through that. the question I have is some of your experiences are, you know, they could be say a a car accident or some really difficult situation, but it happens in and it's compartmentalized into that day or a few hours. What is it like to manage those emotions and keep that focus you keep referring to when it's a search and rescue that goes on for several days or more?

the you know, it's

Yeah, with our with our our incident command system and the way we do it, you just you know, it's every day's a different task. you know, when you go out it every day is a different mission. you're you're here one day and that's your mission and you complete it and

You know, usually you don't think about it too much. because you're usually so tired by the end of the day that it's gotta get ready. And

Yeah. Could imagine.

then, you know, the next day is is a is another mission. you know, the next day is another mission, the next day is another mission, and and you just you know, you focus on that day, that mission, completing that mission, and then you just you know, you move on to the next day, you move on to the next day. So it's still kind of the same thing where you just focus on the mission at hand and let's take care of the problem.

So

Yeah. What has

there ever been a mission, maybe one example that stands out to you that did push you a a little bit in in that particular department?

Well, I d I don't know that there's ever been I mean, I know there's when I got involved with the the large animal rescue program at University of Florida, I I'm an adjunct instructor for them for the large animal technical rescue. That's kind of where part of this this whole award thing came from too. Is how I got into that I w I used to work for Volusia County Fire Rescue. I was a battalion chief in charge of special operations there. and I

been in that role for maybe two weeks. I'd I'd been doing search and rescue for a while and when I moved into that role, they're like, all right, you're the special ops guy. How ya here you go. And our chief had retired and I'm like, okay, wait, I went from being like a team member and somebody to go to and do everything to now you're the guy. and I got a call from one of our our battalions that, hey, we've got a horse stuck in the mud.

I'm like, what? You got a what? Why are you calling me? I'm I'm I do ropes and and buildings and you know, I don't I don't do this stuff. So we go out there and one of our vets had taken a class somewhere. I know the person now that she took the class from, but had taken a class and had a book. And

You know, so my very first large animal rescue that I did ever in my career, you know, after, you know, ten, twelve years of doing search and rescue stuff, was taught on the fly, on the back of a pickup truck, from a book. And and, you know, really just

Flipping through the pages and going, okay, well, we don't have this, but we have this. We don't have this, but we have this. And, you know, just and really just taking knowledge that we had in other areas and applying that to the horse that was stuck in the mud. and and raising this horse out of the mud. And

You know, and that's actually what led me down the path of you know, I did three or four horse rescues before I ever had any training in it. that just like it seems like once you get one it just kinda snowballs from there. And just taking you know, that's probably the most challenging one I've I've run into where I didn't know what I was doing. I had no clue. But I had a book. I had somebody then

Yeah.

taken a class years ago and never used the stuff. She had some of the equipment, we had other stuff

And it was just that relying on again, it's for the fire services in general. It's relying on the training that you've had. And, you know, a lot of our stuff is coming up with it on the fly. You know, I I tell a lot of our guys, I go, from the new guy that's his very first day to the to you know, me thirty years in, there's calls we show up and I go, I have no clue what's going on here. But you have to project that confidence

that, you know, you've been on the job five seconds, five minutes, five years, fifteen years, twenty years, you still have to project that confidence that you know what's going on, because that's what calms the storm is when people look at us to come help them.

And so we have to be able to project that confidence when we go in there. It's like that whole duck on the water. You're nice and calm on top, but you're underneath your your legs are going crazy. you know, but it's just being able to project that confidence like, hey, I'm here to help. I'm gonna do what I can and

Sometimes it's just coming up with stuff on the fly. like like that call. So it's been I I had a few like that. Most of never go as planned. so it's a lot of stuff that's just outside the box thinking, thinking on the fly, and just reverting back to that basic training that you got in that very first class you took, you know, however long ago.

You you brought up confidence and I'm gonna get there in a second, but you also segued nicely into the third C, and that is challenge, which centers around risk orientation, how willing you are to take some risks and then learning orientation. So whether something went right or wrong, you're gonna use that information to grow next. And you just described the perfect scenario where you go in and you've never done that before. You you have to take the risk.

And you have to learn from each episode to get better and adapt and things. How is that a natural thing for most of the people on your team and yourself? Or is that something you really gotta get used to? Just because I'm sure not everything goes right. Like you said, there's probably all kinds of crazy stuff that happens. And you could either just be you know, taken back by that and lose focus, or you could learn from it, adapt and move on. How does that come to be?

again, never really thought about it, don't really know. you know, but you can see it and some people you can definitely tell some team members just got that little niche of just all right. And I think most firefighters either learn it over time through training and experience, they learn how to deal with that or and then you know, a lot of it is is again it's it just all goes back to your training and relying on your training.

and being able to adapt on the fly.

Yeah, you're right. And I was gonna ask when most of whether it's firefighters, EMT, search and rescue, when people come on board, do you find that most people that's kind of their personality or trait that they already have? or is it something that most just have to learn, you know, as they grow through their career?

I think there's some that just have it. you know, you can tell usually pretty quick that some just have it and and they're they're in it and they're you know, they have that little little bit of outside of the box thinking. And, you know, I think for the most part most of us do. I don't think you last long in this career without having some of that bred into you somewhere along the way. you know, but

But it is a learned thing. I don't think I necessarily had it right off the bat, but you know, as you spend time and you train and you go to classes you start to learn more and learn more, you you can adapt pretty quickly to what's going on. Yeah.

So you you brought up confidence, and some will say who study mental toughness that confidence out of the four C's may be the most important. and there's some debate about that. But in terms of confidence, there's two areas. There's interpersonal confidence, how your ability to communicate with others in a constructive, positive way, and even you know, persuade people that might be thinking differently than you, things like that. And then there's

confidence in abilities. And you did mention earlier about preparation, preparation training, things like that. what is your training like on a daily, weekly, monthly basis? How do you get to the point where when something happens, everybody knows their role, their job, what to do and and how to handle situations, even if situations fairly new to them.

Well, we have a in Flaggar County, we have a thirty person technical rescue team that does most of the the search and rescue stuff. we train we do practical training six times a year where we get together as a team and actually do s do training. And I really focus on and what I really tr what I really try to focus the team on is the basics.

I tried to throw some fun stuff in there that makes them think and maybe some things that they won't see or something that really makes them think here and there. But my main focus has always been to them to have the basics. I want them I want them to have a go-to that no matter what, this is your go this is your starting point. So and that I think that helps build the confidence. They know that, all right, if I show up on this, this is this step by step, this is kind of how it's gonna go.

And then again, w mentioned it earlier, they can pivot from there. You know, we have certain things that are set in stone. No matter what, this is what you do, no matter you know, it it doesn't matter. But most of our policies and procedures are are guidelines, more or the less. You know, it's it's allows them the flexibility to think on the fly and to start doing that and and to adapt to whatever situation it is.

Yeah, we have a one of our our training officers and and I I forget which chief it comes from, but it's a saying that we really kind of adopt adopted in in Flagmar County is becoming a master of your craft. No matter what that is.

it it's becoming a master of crafts. You know, we're expected to be the EMTs, the paramedics, the firefighters, you know, as an officer or doing search and rescue. We have a marine rescue team. We have a drone team. We have we have a lot of different things. But if you're not gonna you have to take the time to perfect that. And it's hard because you're so multifaceted to keep up on everything. And and again it just go to build that confidence. It really just goes back to training and and really building your foundation and building your basics.

That you know that, hey, if this happens, I know what I'm doing or I got an idea. And it usually starts with an idea. Hey, this is what's gonna go on. And then and then you you pivot from there and all right, that didn't work. Let's go to plan B. you know.

There's a lot of trial and error that goes on on some of these calls that you go, all right, well that didn't work. Let's all right, let's try something else. Yeah.

I I could imagine. But what you just described is very familiar because when I talk to athletes who are r really good at what they do, perform really well, their coaches and people in other areas of life and professions, they always say you have to master the basics. You can't move on, you can't do all these other things until you master You look at some of the great athletes out there, Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods and

Michael Phelps and and the they started by mastering the basics and they kept that practice up. It wasn't like once they mastered, they stopped. They kept going and training themselves. So they never even had to think about that part of their job or task at any given moment. So I I'm not surprised to hear that's exactly what one

Right.

of your mantras are. so if I'm an individual, I'm not a a fireman, EMT

search and rescue, military, anything like that. How do you think, what's the best way a person could apply the mental toughness ideas, concepts, framework in their daily lives? What do you would what would you give one or two tips to maybe a

I

a young person or, you know, anybody else that kind of needs some assistance?

I think you know, really e even for me, daily life is just i you know, a you just have to realize that everything's not gonna go your way all the time. you know, and that willingness to adapt. the you know, and and there's even, you know, basics in your own life that you need to control or or get control of. And, you know, just a realize that everything's not always gonna go your way.

I used to tell my kids, I said, you know, winning is great. you know, when I say coach, but you also have to learn how to lose. And and you learn a lot more from losing than you do from winning. so it's just that you have to be willing to adapt. You have to be willing to change on the fly. Not everything's gonna go the way you want it to go. I'm a I'm a very

I'm very set by ways after so I get up at the same time every day. I do the same routine every day. When I go to work, I do the same thing every day. I I am just

Guilty.

a I am a I'm a creature of habit. you know, I drive the same way to work every day. I it you know, I just I have this whole and that that's almost like a for me it ends up being preparing myself mentally to go into work. And

You know, but and then if you mess up my routine, it kinda throws me off for a little bit till I can sit back and regroup and and and get back on the day. But I I think that's probably the biggest thing is just the realize that not everything's gonna go your way all the time. And you gotta always have that, you know, for us i in the fire rescue world and everything, it's it's always there's always a plan A, plan B, plan C, plan D, you know, however far and you gotta have that same kind of thing. in your own life, as far as just

you know, have a plan. Not everything's gonna go your way all the time. No.

It it's funny you say that about the routine. My wife will tell you, like I'm I'm Ron Burgundy at times when they change the teleprompter on If you mess up my routine, I'm

lost for the day. I have to do a complete reset. I may forget to do several things that day because I am out of routine. I I we're we're close to wrapping up here, but I wanna go back to something you said earlier. You brought it up a couple of times and it's a topic that I I find fascinating. It's it's part of mental toughness and some say it's a byproduct of mental toughness. But you talked about

Focus and keeping that focus. And focus, a lot of people don't understand. It's not, it's not always a switch you could turn on. It's an actual four step process that maybe on another episode I'll dive into. But how do you get to that point where you you have a hard focus? You're in the the zone or the flow of what you're doing. And you know, how do you keep that focus?

everything I do when I when it comes to that search and rescue world, it just comes down to that that preparation and knowing you you've got the basic skills down. You're you're good.

You know, there is a switch, especially for us. There's a s you know, when the tones go off, you get in, you see the notes, and you start thinking about all right, could be this, could be whether it's a medical call, search rescue call, car accident, fire, whatever, there's just a checklist that starts going off in your head. you know, I have some of my guys that, you know, we'll go to an auto extrication. That's w one of my favorite things to teach and and and

He'll sit there and go, How did you think of all that stuff? I don't know. It just happens. I said, I can't I can give you the the quick cliff notes version of what went on in my head, but there's no way I could tell you every single step that went through my head in the first thirty seconds of showing up on that scene. You know. Same thing same way thing with the with the structure fire. And again, I think it just all goes back to being being able to flip that switch just all goes back to training and preparation. And you know

and nailing down the basics and being confident in your basic skills and then advancing on that. you know, I I tell all my gu my son, my oldest son works with me in Flagler County. He's he's a firefighter now and he's he's doing really good and he's excelling and you know, I told him from from day one that you never you always take classes. If there's a class that comes up, go take it. you know, if there's something you can go learn, go take it.

my youngest son is just finishing up combat medic training in the army. So he joined the army. So and I keep telling him, he's like, I can go do this. I can go go, go, go do it all. The more you learn, the the better you're prepared for whatever you're gonna see. So I think that's that's the biggest part of it. Especially in the fire circles, it all comes down to training and preparation.

Yeah, that's that's great advice.

Is there anything you would say to the community about your role, your team's role, organization's role in the community that maybe they don't understand that they should understand about everything that you do?

yeah, we we try to do a lot of public outreach 'cause I think there's a lot of people, especially in in Flagar Ken lately, they go, I didn't know we had that. I didn't know we did that. I didn't know we you know, a lot of people think that we just you know, medical calls and and fires and that's that's pretty much all we do. but again the the fire service is so multifaceted. you know, the the search and rescue role is such a it's a

Yeah, we train for high risk, low frequency events. We may go a year and not have anything significant, or you may run four or five in a year. you know, we can go a year without hurricanes where we're we're putting a some of our skills to the test or you know, like last year we really didn't have anything. you know, so I don't think they I don't think they realize what all that we do. I I think if I was gonna suggest something to the community is go talk to your fire department, see what they have.

see what kind of things they offer, you know, not only you know, search and rescue wise or or that, but there's so many other things that are out there for the community that that fire departments all over offer that I just don't think people are aware of. yeah.

Yeah, that's right. They should reach out. You guys do a ton of different things. and I I think everybody should take advantage of that. I know as a Flagler County resident, we appreciate you guys. Thank you for your service. I'm always amazed by first responders and those people who are willing to do all the things they do. sometimes us normal folk we just we take that for granted until we need need that help. So

we really appreciate that. And I'd love to have you back on because I have a couple other topics I I think would be very interesting to dive into with the work that you do. Yeah. Well, Captain

Anytime, any time.

Froling thank you very much for being on the podcast. Really appreciate it.

thank you, James. I I've enjoyed it.

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