Can you coach anyone on anything?

It’s a question that sounds simple but exposes some of the deepest tensions in the coaching profession.

In this episode of The Coaching Clinic, John and Angie unpack what really sits behind this debate. Not just imposter syndrome, but credibility, boundaries, ethics, and the uncomfortable moments coaches don’t talk about openly.

They explore:

1. The difference between pure coaching and consulting or mentoring
2. Why having tools matters more than having the “right” background
3. What happens when sessions drift into territory coaches are not trained for
4. How credibility crises show up when clients are more senior, successful, or powerful
5. Why relatability, rapport and interest matter more than matching life experience
6. When it is right to say yes, and when it is essential to say no

Through real client examples, including NASA executives, world-famous speakers, and moments where sessions crossed into unsafe territory, this conversation brings clarity to a question many coaches silently wrestle with.

If you are a coach questioning your authority, your boundaries, or whether you are “qualified enough”, this episode offers a grounded, grown-up perspective on what coaching really requires and where its limits are.

Chapters

00:00 – The question that stops coaches cold

An innocent client conversation triggers a deeper credibility dilemma.

02:00 – Can you coach anyone on anything?

Why the answer is both yes and no.

04:30 – Coaching vs consulting vs mentoring

Where many coaching relationships quietly shift.

06:45 – Imposter syndrome and credibility crises

Why senior or high-status clients trigger self-doubt.

08:00 – Tools over titles

Why coaching effectiveness is not about shared life experience.

10:30 – Hard boundaries and knowing your lane

Why saying no is sometimes the most ethical move.

13:00 – When sessions go somewhere unsafe

Abuse, trauma, and moments that change the coaching relationship.

17:30 – Relatability, rapport and interest

Why wanting to coach the topic actually matters.

20:30 – Generalist vs specialist coaching

How coaches naturally steer conversations.

23:00 – Training, certification and real standards

What credentials do and don’t guarantee.

26:00 – So… can anyone coach anyone on anything?

The nuanced conclusion most coaches need to hear.

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Hey John.

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John: Angie,

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Angie: I had a very interesting

aha moment this past week.

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John: oh, I love your aha moments.

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What was it?

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Angie: This is an interesting one.

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So it was, I was having a conversation

with a fellow coach and she said something

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to me and it just jarred me like.

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Almost cold water on the face.

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John: What did she say?

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What did she say?

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Angie: Well, it was interesting.

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She was really feeling challenged

by the coaching relationship

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that she was about to embark on.

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It was a new client and she was kind

of, I, I, I don't wanna get into it.

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It wasn't like imposter syndrome

as much as it was turning into.

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I have no knowledge of what

they think they need from me.

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Can I coach them?

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John: Ooh, do.

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Do you think this relates to

something I often chat about

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with fellow coaches of can?

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Can you coach anyone on anything?

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Angie: I think it's right

in that right there.

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Can you coach anyone on anything?

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John: there's a conversation worth having.

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Let's get into it.

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Angie: Yeah.

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I think what jarred me was the fact

that I didn't like, although I was

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asking that question to her and.

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Kind of coaching her.

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Right.

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But the reality after the

conversation was, huh.

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I dunno if there's like a

black and white answer to that.

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John: It is, it is an interesting

question and I think sometimes,

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sometimes it even shows up as an

internal conflict with coaches.

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Angie: Mm-hmm.

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John: it shows up as a

professional conflict with coaches.

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Well, I guess we can sort of get into

that a bit more, but when I first learned

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coaching as a skill, when I did my,

correspondence course in coaching before

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they had all these like places where

you can actually go and even study you.

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I think there's like a, a

college course somewhere or

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several in the UK now teach it.

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before all of that.

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When I, when I learned coaching, I

learned the, the basics of coaching

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and, and I guess it was mostly along

the lines of ontological coaching.

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You asked the questions, you helped

draw out the answers from people,

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and in that sense, you should be

able to coach anyone on anything.

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If you are, if all you're doing is

asking the questions and trying to.

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Pull stuff out of them to

get the answers inside.

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And you, if, if, with the right sort

of questioning and in interrogative

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skills, you should be able to pull,

help, pull those answers out for people.

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without, without.

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Consulting without mentoring.

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so the question often comes up as,

you know, criticism of coaching,

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that coaches often haven't done

the thing that the person going to

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them coaching wants success with.

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And that can end

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up, yeah.

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Angie: Go ahead.

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Because I just like I'm saying, but

you know what, if we were required

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to have, like if I'm coaching a

surgeon or I'm coaching, like I

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have coached so many people from so

many different backgrounds under so

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many different roles, and I wouldn't

even be a coach per se, but, okay.

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Sorry, go ahead.

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I just had to, I was like, yes, and

there are people that believe that,

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John: right.

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It turns into, what you could call

a, a crisis of ethos or a crisis of,

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not necessarily confidence, although

that is related to it, but a crisis

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of credibility, because you think,

do I, do I have the credentials

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to be able to coach this person?

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and, and then it's the thing of,

well, I think a lot of people

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don't really understand coaching

and the reality is no, but.

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let's say this, I get, I get

asked about doing certain types of

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communication coaching, and I have a

hard boundary on relationship coaching

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because I'm not a relationship coach.

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I don't enjoy relationship coaching.

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I don't want to do relationship coaching.

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so I have a hard boundary about that

and I say, no, I'll do this, but

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I won't do relationship coaching.

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and

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Angie: the question though.

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Even if you choose not to,

because you don't have an interest

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in that, could you, right.

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Without being a counselor or a therapist,

could you be a relationship coach?

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John: Yes,

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Angie: Yeah.

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John: a point.

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To a point, and, and so you end up,

you sometimes end up with this thing

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as well, where I've seen this, actually

a friend of mine who wanted to be a

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relationship coach at the time did

not have a successful relationship.

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And it's like, can I be a, can I be

a relationship coach without having

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a successful relationship myself?

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Angie: Sure.

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John: The answer is yes.

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Do do You have to have success

in the thing that you are

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helping or coaching somebody in?

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Not necessarily.

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So I think the answer lies somewhere

in like, is the answer to the question.

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Can you coach anyone in anything?

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We talked about this before, but the

answer is yes, and the answer is no.

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because officially, technically yes,

you can ask the questions, you can

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coach anybody, I think there, there are

certain times in coaching relationships

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where you may need somebody who at least

has an understanding of where you're

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at or what you're looking to achieve.

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You know, if you are looking

to work in the area of sales

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or, um, uh, a competitive area.

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But the thing is, is like in, if it's

pure coaching, the answer is yes,

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you can coach anyone on anything.

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Angie: Yes, and I agree.

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This is really kind of the

answer I came to and it's in, in

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alignment with what you just said.

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When you are purely coaching, there are

definitely tools that you can use as a

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coach to dig and dive and dig and dive.

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I think where it becomes the no is

when there is a level of consulting

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that needs to be done, right.

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If somebody's like, Hey, I'm the CEO

of eight different companies and I

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do have a client right now that is

something like seven or eight that

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are all tethered, can I coach them?

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It is a very long

commitment and it's a very.

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Um, technical, it's like a, it's

almost like the string of Christmas

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lights, trying to keep everything

in order and unravel things.

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So there is a different level of

expertise there, but I'm able to

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do both because of experience.

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If it's not something that's in

your wheelhouse, number one, do

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you want to, that's, I think first

and foremost always the question.

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And I think the second

check in with yourself is.

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Do you have tools?

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Right?

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Because then it doesn't really matter.

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And are you comfortable using them?

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And if you even move forward though,

and you come to a point where you're

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stuck, you are actually stuck with the

client, even if they don't realize it.

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That's something from which

you need to grow as a coach.

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But to your point, right, there has to

be, I think some discernment in between.

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Will this require me to

also be a consultant?

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how far into that do I even wanna

go because I am a coach, right?

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How am I spo what's my role here?

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And asking yourself that.

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But it is a yes and no question.

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It definitely is.

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And it can start with imposter syndrome.

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It.

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You have to work through that and

say, well, how do I coach this person?

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I remember I had a client who

was a high level executive with

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NASA and my initial, I'm not even

gonna, I'm not gonna lie, right.

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Full transparency.

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My first thought, when I found out

that this was going to be a client

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of mine, I was like, what, what

could I, how can I possibly coach

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this high level person from NASA?

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Then it was so funny because I had

to be coached in that moment and

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realize it had nothing to do with me.

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Right.

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Coaching had nothing to do with me,

and I didn't need to be an executive at

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NASA to be able to coach this person.

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And we actually ended up having

a very successful multiple

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rounds of coaching relationship.

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So it really is like understanding

what your role is, I think.

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And.

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Using your tools, using like, I think

it's important as a coach that you

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don't just get on calls with people

and just like have conversations.

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Like you need to be able to have

almost like a, okay, not that we

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should be therapists, but therapists,

psychiatrists, psychologists have

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specific tools to help patients.

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Deal with specific challenges.

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If it's anger, if it's anxiety,

and I'm not talking about pills or

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anything, I'm just saying there's tools.

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So as a coach, there should be tools in

your tool belt that you can utilize to

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give to your clients to help them grow.

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So it was just a really

eye-opening conversation.

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'cause I don't think I thought of it

in the depths that I went to with it.

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John: Yeah.

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Uh, de definitely no have no shade

on generalist style coaching.

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I think it can be very valuable.

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Uh, ontological coaching can

definitely be very valuable.

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I often find when I employ that in my

own coaching sessions, clients will come

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back and say that they got more outta the

sessions from, from that style of coaching

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than from just about anything else.

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However, with the kind

of work that I mostly do.

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There is an expectation that I have

an understanding of the industry, that

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I have a good understanding of how

things work and what needs to be done.

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That there is a level of consulting

and even mentoring that needs to happen

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within the kinds of coaching that I do.

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I had a client, I had a client a while

back who was, was, and still is, uh,

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an internationally well-known, world

famous speaker, and um, and you can.

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Can you imagine the kind of imposter

syndrome that I was getting with that?

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Like, this guy's much more, much

more successful than me as a speaker.

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People know who he is.

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People don't necessarily know who I am.

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Um, what am I, what am

I gonna coach him on?

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How's that gonna be?

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And this, this even is my wheelhouse

than I, he is more successful to

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me, but he wants me to be his coach.

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Um.

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The coaching actually went really well.

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It was very effective.

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It was good.

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But yeah, goodness me, the stuff

that was coming up for me in, in

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the meantime, um, was definitely

questioning myself and my ability, my

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credibility to be able to coach him.

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But that wasn't what was

even important to him.

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Um, it was more important that he had had

a coach that he could trust, who he knew,

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knew, knew enough to be able to help.

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And, uh, um, and.

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Kind of wanted someone to listen, but

also someone to help help him dig into

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stuff and see what he couldn't see.

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Um, and that's what we were

able to do in, in the sessions.

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And probably a bit more besides, but

I do think that, that there's this,

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there is an element to which if you

go to somebody for coaching on, uh,

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back to relationship coaching, right?

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Because I, me not, no, no, no.

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Relationship coaching is like,

don't worry, just tell me to do

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it.

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Angie: Enough relationship coaching

with me in our relationship.

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No, i'm joking.

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John: Can I do it?

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Yeah.

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Has it come up in coaching

calls in other ways?

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Yes.

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And, and I'm fine with that,

but I don't want to specialize

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as a relationship coach.

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Um, I wouldn't enjoy it.

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It's not, it's not my area as such.

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But for those who is great, is someone

who wants to be a relationship coach,

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gonna do a better job of coaching

someone in relationships than me?

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Yes.

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Because they want to do it.

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'cause they have a better sense of

the kinds of questions or the kinds

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of issues that come up in that area.

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They have the experience to be

able to sort of get a better

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sense of what's going on.

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They'll tune into things more

effectively than I would because

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I'm just sort of thinking, can

we talk about something else?

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Uh, whereas they're

thinking, oh, tell me more.

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This is really interesting.

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Right.

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So, so it is definitely important.

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And it doesn't mean, again, it

doesn't mean that you can't do that.

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I think this maybe does speak more to the,

uh, why it's so valuable to find the way

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that you coach best, the things you like

coaching people on the most you can bring.

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All of your coaches skills and experience

through that because everything will come

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up and become relevant at some point with

certain clients, but the majority of the

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work that you do and the things you focus

on are already gonna be predetermined

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by the kind of work focus that you have.

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Angie: You know what's interesting,

and I do believe that is true, but

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there is something that I, again,

I've been reflecting and thinking

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about this, that I am very opposed

to the level of information.

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Okay, wait.

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I'm very opposed to gaining

too much information about a

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prospective client ahead of the game.

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So if I do, for example, if I'm doing

like corporate coaching, I'm working

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for a corporation and I meet with the

leadership of the people or persons that

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I'm going coach, I always say, let's meet.

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I wanna get an in some insight.

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Um, but when they say, and I

always ask like, what's the best,

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what is the best outcome that

you would like to see from this?

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That's, I want to know that, but I have to

be honest with you, it is not how I guide.

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I still will guide my sessions

with that person organically.

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Right, without setting an expectation

like, we have to hit this, I just,

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it doesn't work if I'm, if I'm going

after like a specific thing, right?

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If the client says, Angie, I've

noticed this is my biggest challenge.

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I really wanna go, and it may be something

that I've never even worked on before.

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I still have the tools to help them then

kind of hone in on what is necessary, but.

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It's almost like I just, I don't

know why I thought of this.

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I've never watched the show a

day, but the Masked Singer they

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call, I think that's a show.

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But anyway, it's like we don't.

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John: Yeah,

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Angie: Yeah, I, I, it's like I, the

less I know, I almost feel like the

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better the outcomes because I am still

human and I don't want to have an,

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a positive or a negative expectation

because that's what happened when I

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was, and I'm gonna keep using this

example, this client, this NASA client.

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It was kind of, you know,

um, I, it didn't matter.

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It really didn't matter.

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What was most important was

why are you talking to me?

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So even my pre.

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Discovery call surveys, and then

my pre-coaching surveys, they're

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very short and they appear to be

ambiguous, but that's done with

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intention because I don't want the,

the, the Reader's Digest or the Cliffs.

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Oh boy.

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Am I dating myself?

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Geez.

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Version of what they

think the issue should be.

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I wanna be able to have the ability to go

into sessions with the tools that I use.

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And there are things that I do, by the

way, very consistently, no matter whom,

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no matter where they've come from.

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Like it doesn't matter.

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There are certain things about

my sessions in the way, in the

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course of working with me that are.

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Specific and repe re repetitious.

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I do them every single time.

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And as a result of that, I am less

inclined to be, uh, affected or,

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or at all influenced by the belief,

the need, the what the expectation

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is, even though I'm aware of it.

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And more and, and able to

ultimately get better results.

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But it would, it took time to recognize

that for me, there were specific

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tools that needed to be in place in

order for me to get out of my own way.

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Can I do this?

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Should I be doing this?

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And, and that doesn't mean like, have

you ever been in, in, in a relationship

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of coaching with somebody and out of

nowhere they say something that is

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so, um, shocking that you say, uh oh,

we've now gone into the danger zone.

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I do not.

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Coach on this.

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So I've had it a couple

of different times.

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Both times it was two different, well,

both times it was abuse, different types

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from different, and I was like, oh, and

that can definitely disrupt the flow.

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When somebody says, and this is what

happened, and you're like, wait, what?

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You just said that like, oh,

I just bought a loaf of bread.

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So things like that can be

unforeseen because we don't know.

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And of course we know we have to know

how to navigate those things, which we've

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kind of talked about in other sessions.

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But I

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mean,

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other I,

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John: They can completely change

the coaching relationship as well,

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uh, to, to some, to some degree.

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And I can remember a client I was working

with several years, we'd been working

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together before, before suddenly that

comes up in, uh, in, uh, a conversation

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because of an incident that happened

before the call that her partner was not

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only married, but was also beating her up.

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And, um, it's like, well.

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We, we need to, we need to look at

this, but you know, where, where we

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had been primarily focused on business

and everything else, it's like suddenly

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this becomes about, you know, my, my

immediate concern is wanting to help her.

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Get away from that.

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And, uh, but you

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Angie: Right

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John: she still has to, she

still has to figure out what

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she wants to do within that.

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But it's like, okay, well we

are not gonna be talking about

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your, your, uh, your resume or

anything like that in this session.

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Let's, uh,

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Angie: here therein

lies the problem, right?

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Because that can forever

change the dynamic.

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Because even if you say the right things,

like, listen, Angie, listen John, you know

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I, this is way out of my level of now.

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Unless of course you are a licensed

psychologist, psychiatrist,

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and you kind of do both.

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You coach and you, that's fine.

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That's on you.

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For me and for John, for myself and

John and for most coaches, right?

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We're not, we don't have the fancy

letters at the end of our last

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name to even begin to address that.

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So that changes like a, a session or two.

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But you as a coach still, it's like you

can't unhear and unknow what you now know.

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And I think it's really difficult

to navigate past that because.

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Once somebody says something to you and

they share it with you and confess it.

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If it's that kind of a thing, now

you're like the safe person for them

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and they wanna keep bringing it up.

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It can be very, very challenging.

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I mean, that's like a whole

different ball of wax can of

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worms, whatever you wanna call it.

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But, so the point is though, we don't

always know what's going to show up

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and but, but I do think it's really

important to be able to get out, like.

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I don't know.

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I think for me, at the end of the day

is if you don't have tools to help you

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navigate and not nec, we're not saying

John and I be all things to all people.

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That's not what we're saying.

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It really depends on who

you wanna be as a coach.

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Do you wanna only focus on one area?

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Do you wanna focus on all

areas, whatever that is.

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But do you.

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Outside of imposter syndrome, ever

feel like, Hmm, I don't know if

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I can do this or should do this.

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John: I, I even also think that as

a coach, you will naturally find

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yourself steering, coaching calls.

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To the areas where you like coaching

on where you, where you can be

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most helpful and useful anyway.

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Uh, and you know, if that's already clear

from the start, like you, and let's say

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that you are like me, a speaker coach,

that we are gonna keep bringing steering

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stuff back to that if we start, if we

start veering too much off those topics,

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we're gonna keep taking it back to that.

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But I'm talking more like this may happen

in generalist coaching calls as well.

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Um.

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I am, I am more likely in generalist

coaching calls to probably steer things

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a bit more towards the professional

side of life, the business and financial

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side of things, uh, which I would rather

work on with people than their personal

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situations or, or anything like that.

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But that stuff will come up

inevitably from, from time to time.

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Um.

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Angie: you think there's value?

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Do you think there's value for somebody

to, I think to have any, I would have

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any type of training in coaching.

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Beyond like, Hey, how

do you start a business?

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yeah.

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Right.

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To help.

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Yeah.

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John: Yeah, I'm, I'm not, I'm not,

uh, completely sure how valuable,

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like, um, unless you actually want

to be a, a certified coach for the,

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you know, or you need certification

for the kind of work you wanna do.

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I'm not sure how valuable those particular

certifications are, but, but certainly

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better than just sort of calling yourself

a coach and setting up a business with.

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With not none of that.

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And then again, I do know people who've

had no coach training whatsoever,

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who are excellent at coaching.

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They're just naturally good at it.

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Or they, they've just maybe

built up experience over time.

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Uh, I say naturally.

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Good.

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Maybe it's not just, just if it's

come more naturally to them and, and

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they figured things out, um, it's, it,

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Angie: even outside of the certification

though, piece, like I feel like there

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are, like, and this is something John

and I've even talked about, right?

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What do we do next?

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Do we actually take and combine our

expertise and create something because it,

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it kind of makes sense to actually put out

some, what I would call maybe like core.

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Coaching tools, topics, themes,

that can work in any type of co, any

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type of coaching, any type to any

person at any time, and it's not.

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There's not an abundance of that.

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It's not like, oh, there's 85 different

modules to this, but like there are

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some core concepts that can really

help you, even if you're naturally

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inquisitive and and empathetic and

all of the things we've talked about.

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There are definitely some core concepts

that if Applied can keep your sessions

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out of the weeds because you can always

go back to them and make sure that.

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Not make sure, but make you

more open to be able to coach

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more people if you so choose.

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If you're not somebody who's like,

this is my coaching and this is my

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little world and, and, my avenue, um.

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John: Yeah, I agree.

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Uh, um, I, I would never, I would never

really coach anybody on spirituality or

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anything like either, 'cause it's not.

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It's just not something

that appeals to me.

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And, and, uh, it would very

much depend on what that meant

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to the, to the person as well.

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But it's not an area I'd go into.

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But there are people who

really want to do that.

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Who do who, who focus on that?

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Are they gonna be the right person

to go to for business coaching?

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Well, you know, if, if you want to

be aligning your chakras instead

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of your, uh, instead of your profit

and loss, um, then, then sure.

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Angie: I am so sorry.

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John: There, there there is a

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Angie: says things sometimes

is so shocking to me, so matter

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of fact, I'm like, oh, okay.

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John: But it's not gonna

be right for everyone.

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There are some people who will take

that spiritual approach to business

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and that will be right for them.

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And there are some people who really won't

and that's just not gonna work for you.

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So, you know, you, you do have to take

things from, um, the right coach with the

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right kind of situation that you're in

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Angie: The tools.

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Yes,

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John: Tools.

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And if you go to, and I do think if you

go to a coaching company particularly to

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want to work with a coach, they should

have coaches that at least have met a

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certain standard and have the experience

to be able to deliver what they are

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offering to you and and deliver it well.

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'cause I can remember, and I'm not.

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Well, maybe I'll name names.

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Well, I can remember coaching people

who belonged to another coaching

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company from a very well known

coach, very well known life coach.

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And their coaching ability was not good.

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Their business was not good.

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What they were getting paid was not good.

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Like the whole setup was not good.

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And, uh.

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Yeah.

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And just thinking, well, you know, are

people getting what they pay for there?

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No, probably not.

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But people are trusting the name

that they're operating under, and

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so they're getting clients through

from it, but they're not get,

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they're not getting treated well.

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They're not getting, what they want out

of it, and they're not really equipped

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to deliver what is actually being sold.

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And that stuff is really important.

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But you look to something like BetterUp

now, which one of the big companies

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we talk about, uh, you do at least

have to have your ICF certification.

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Does that make you a great coach?

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Not necessarily.

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But you at least have met

a certain standard already.

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Angie: Yes.

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Understood and agreed.

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I don't know.

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I think it's something, I don't know,

John, you know, I need to consider

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something about some next steps here

because No, it was a really great

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conversation and the interesting thing

is that what I shared with this person

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shifted their entire perspective and they

don't ha, it was like one conversation

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and all of it changed because of

the self expectation and how do you.

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is there anybody, if you're a coach

out there already, I'm curious.

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Do you share?

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Have you ever had those moments where you

felt either intimidated or even, not that

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somebody was above you, but maybe like,

you know, I'm a 57-year-old woman at this

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point, and if some, if a 20-year-old girl

comes to me and says I need life coaching,

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I am, I could coach her, I'm sure.

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I'm not sure that I am as relatable.

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As I might think I can be depending

on what they, that she needs

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from me or he like whomever.

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So I think it's can, it can be like an

individual challenge to think about,

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but I also believe at the end of the day

that there are some core concepts that

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can be delivered and I believe and have

experienced and delivered myself that.

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I don't care if NASA comes as an

entire entity and says, we want you

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to come here and coach all of us.

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Okay.

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The answer is, okay, I can do that.

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That wasn't always the case for me.

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So there's that.

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John: Look, you have to be able to

create rapport with your clients.

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If you can't do that, the.

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Angie: Yes,

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John: Coaching is gonna go nowhere.

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So relatability, uh, is

a really important part.

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And, and so is your interest in being

there for the kind of coaching, it's like

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these, these are all critical elements,

that no re rapport is probably the

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main reason why human coaches will do

better than AI coaches in, in a lot of

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situations because what kind of rapport

can you really have with a computer?

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Angie: Yeah, no,

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I'm, you, know, we can have That whole

conversation again, but yeah, I agree.

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I'm always gonna stand by the human

element, you know that that's where I sit.

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John: Yeah.

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Yeah, I would too.

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And whilst there was these people and

including ourselves who get plenty

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of value out of like AI coaching and

stuff like that, there, there are

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elements of coaching, which I just

would not go to AI for, where I, I

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need some human interaction, where

I need rapport, where I need, people

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to hold space and, and whatever else.

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So, um, yeah.

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I think that this stuff, this

stuff is already important.

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So can anyone coach anyone

on anything Still, yes or no?

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Uh, but I think you maybe

understand a bit more at this point.

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Why is both answers like yes?

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Angie: Yeah, definitely.

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I agree.

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John: All right.

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Let's wrap things up there for this week,

but we'll be back again pretty soon.