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GOTHCHELLA? LIGHTENING?? REACTIONS FROM CRUEL WORLD FESTIVAL 2023
Episode 1526th May 2023 • Women of Rock • Kimberly Gunn and Tammy Holzer
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Women of Rock Festival Recap - hosts Kimberly Gunn and Tammy Holzer discuss Tammy's experience as a GenXer attending the CRUEL WORLD FESTIVAL show in Pasadena, CA on May 20, 2023...complete with what the hell happened with the lightening, the festival cancellation, band performances, and the level of goth at this year's CRUEL WORLD.

LIVE CONCERT CLIPS:

LOVE AND ROCKETS - CRUEL WORLD FEST, “NO NEW TALE TO TELL” May 20, 2023

https://youtu.be/3hbWuoGwMo8


GARY NUMAN - “METAL” at CRUEL WORLD FEST, May 20, 2023

https://youtu.be/VyzQ0r2xupg


BILLY IDOL - “REBEL YELL” at CRUEL WORLD FEST, MAY 20, 2023

https://youtu.be/r_IPLk6e6no


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Transcripts

Kim:

Greetings and welcome to this latest episode of The Women of Rock.

Kim:

I'm one of your hosts, Kimberly.

Kim:

Hi,

Tammy:

I'm Tammy.

Kim:

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Kim:

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Kim:

So, you know, this is gonna be our third from the ground reporting of a

Kim:

big tour festival that's been happening.

Kim:

I'm gonna hand it over to Tammy t Tammy, I heard that nature

Kim:

delta cruel blow to cruel worlds.

Kim:

Tell us what happened.

Tammy:

Okay, so I attended Cruel World on Saturday, let's see, May 20th, 2023.

Tammy:

And, it was interesting.

Tammy:

It was a lot different than I thought it was gonna be.

Tammy:

Obviously there was a total weather thing that happened and I'll talk about that.

Tammy:

but first of all, when I booked the tickets for Cruel World,

Tammy:

there, this is the second festival.

Tammy:

Last year, was postponed, it actually was postponed from 2000, I think

Tammy:

19 or 2020 for obvious reasons.

Tammy:

I had tickets to that.

Tammy:

I couldn't make it last year.

Tammy:

So I've been looking forward to Cruel world since literally 2020.

Tammy:

And in my mind, I thought that it was going to be more eighties,

Tammy:

like Gen X, kind of eighties, like cool Gen X eighties.

Tammy:

And what I found is that it was more, it was a lot more goth than I expected.

Tammy:

And, so I'll talk a little more about that.

Tammy:

I'll walk you through the whole process.

Tammy:

I'll walk you through my whole experience

Kim:

pl please, duke, because you, Tammy was sending

Tammy:

me pictures and I did wear my Cool World Goth outfit today, just to

Tammy:

commemorate, you know, the experience.

Tammy:

But, but it was way more goth than me.

Tammy:

I think I had, I sent Kimberly a text, late in the day.

Tammy:

First of all, cell service was shit, so it's almost impossible

Tammy:

to get through anywhere.

Tammy:

And that became a problem later as well, get 5G people.

Tammy:

But I sent, Kimberly a text and it said, I'm in a C of Goth.

Tammy:

And that's really what it felt like a sea of, I get, I think the attendance

Tammy:

was, I heard numbers of around 37,000.

Tammy:

Oh, wow.

Tammy:

It seemed like far it, honestly, it was, I think the venue, so the venue,

Tammy:

it was at the Brookside Park, which is right next to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.

Tammy:

So it's a big giant park that they set up three different stages.

Tammy:

I read somewhere that it was the size of four football fields to

Tammy:

get from one stage to another.

Tammy:

I believe it, it was a lot of w walking.

Tammy:

I was prepared for walking.

Tammy:

I was not prepared for the heat and it wasn't really even that hot.

Tammy:

But when you're in a sea of everyone wearing all black in the

Tammy:

sun, when it's 79 it gets hot.

Kim:

Things heated up fast.

Kim:

Huh?

Tammy:

Fast.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

you heat up fast.

Tammy:

there was, it is almost like there was two cruel worlds going on.

Tammy:

There was the cruel world, which I saw most of the goth, cruel world.

Tammy:

I was looking for the Gen X cruel world, but somehow I got mixed in with the

Tammy:

goth cruel world, I think because of the choice of bands I saw and where I

Tammy:

was standing and that sort of thing.

Tammy:

But it was really overwhelming.

Tammy:

So let me start from the beginning.

Tammy:

it took, the gates opened at noon.

Tammy:

It took me, I started driving to the venue about, I think it was around 1230.

Tammy:

First of all, I flew in that morning, so I flew in that morning to Burbank, rented

Tammy:

a car, went straight to the venue, sat in traffic for an hour to get parking

Tammy:

into the venue, which was just in this grassy area, looked like a golf course.

Tammy:

And, right next to the venue, got into the venue, proceeded to

Tammy:

get my water, get my bearings.

Tammy:

What was, where were the stages?

Tammy:

What time?

Tammy:

I had the map and the set list times and everything.

Tammy:

but it was really a lot more than I, than I anticipated.

Tammy:

I forgot, you know, it's been a few years since I've been to a festival and.

Tammy:

I forgot the amount of stamina that it takes to endure a festival.

Kim:

You have to train, like you're training for a

Kim:

marathon to go to these things.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

You really have to pace yourself and you're dealing with elements, you're

Tammy:

dealing with heat, you're dealing with crowds of people, tons of people.

Tammy:

So I also bought, a general admission ticket and which

Tammy:

I'll probably never do again.

Tammy:

I would not go without an upgraded vi.

Tammy:

They have v i p and clubhouse tickets.

Tammy:

Where you have more, I think, more exclusive areas, but you just have

Tammy:

like shorter food lines, shorter merch line, you know, all of that stuff.

Tammy:

And you know, dedicated area.

Tammy:

I'm too damn old for general admission, anything with ac, the pandemic.

Tammy:

But damn, I got old because I was dying, like dying and I,

Tammy:

I wasn't the only one either.

Tammy:

So anyway there.

Tammy:

So there were two cruel worlds from what I saw.

Tammy:

The golf crew world and the golf crew world was a lot of young

Tammy:

goths, which really surprised me.

Tammy:

And I learned later that there were a lot of goth bands that were playing

Tammy:

throughout the day, that were newer bands that attracted that younger crowd.

Tammy:

Interesting.

Tammy:

I didn't expect that.

Tammy:

I just expected everybody to be old like me.

Tammy:

And, hobbling around.

Tammy:

I didn't expect.

Tammy:

The Goth fashion show, and I mean, goth fashion show, it

Tammy:

was like Coachella for goths.

Tammy:

Cruel World is the Coachella for goths.

Tammy:

I'm not even kidding.

Tammy:

Like the outfits.

Tammy:

And I was like, this is what I was wearing with like, you know, this shirt,

Tammy:

love that I was gonna do my Wednesday.

Tammy:

I was, this is a nod to Wednesday Adams.

Tammy:

So I was gonna wear, I have some really cool Wednesday shoes that I was gonna

Tammy:

wear, but I, when I saw the lineup that got released, a few days before the

Tammy:

festival I realized that I was gonna be doing a lot of hiking back and forth.

Tammy:

And so I went and bought some comfy sketchers, Hey, if Susie can wear

Tammy:

comfy shoes on stage, so can I, there was a meme going around about

Tammy:

that, and I'm like, whoa, man.

Tammy:

Susie's wearing skit.

Tammy:

Well, she's wearing, you know, Steve McQueen or something, but

Tammy:

I'm like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go for the Black Sketchers.

Tammy:

I'm so glad I did saying

Kim:

Comfort is the new sexy, by the way, what is Comfort

Kim:

is the new sexy, by the way.

Kim:

Dang.

Tammy:

no way.

Tammy:

I would've been dying.

Tammy:

I was dying as it was, but, so then there's the Gen X, cruel

Tammy:

world, but I just did, I guess it was the bands that I went to see.

Tammy:

I didn't see a lot of the Gen X and again, Now that I know the lay of the land from

Tammy:

being there once and where maybe the Gen Xers were versus the younger GOs.

Tammy:

Now I sort of know, I didn't know.

Tammy:

and quite honestly, I was just dealing with okay, you know, the heat?

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

The heat and the sheer stamina of walking and very little shade.

Tammy:

Where can I sit down?

Tammy:

And by sit down, I mean ass on grass.

Tammy:

You're sitting on the ground, not like, oh, I'm gonna go find a seat.

Tammy:

no.

Tammy:

There are a few tinted areas, but they were packed and I'm like, I

Tammy:

don't really wanna go sit on a picnic table underneath, I just, it just

Tammy:

didn't really, so I chose grass.

Tammy:

I'm not sure it was the right choice.

Tammy:

Cause my back and my legs and my feet hurt so bad by the end of the day.

Tammy:

But, It is what it is.

Tammy:

So next time, this is my last general session or general session.

Tammy:

You can tell.

Tammy:

I'm a former event planner.

Tammy:

My last general admission, to any kind of festival, I will forever now be going, v

Tammy:

i p or smaller or something after that.

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

My, my body can't handle it anymore.

Tammy:

I'm sad.

Tammy:

The same, my mind wanted to, I really did.

Tammy:

I really thought I could, but it was a rude awakening.

Tammy:

And

Kim:

did, and I guess another note is you'll remember to peck that, that Ben

Kim:

gay, the next time you go to something you can, it wouldn't massage on your muscles.

Tammy:

It wouldn't even have mattered because it was more like bone tired, you

Tammy:

know, like Like just my back was like, Yeah, no, we're not walking anymore.

Tammy:

We're, you're gonna need to sit for a while or And I know I wasn't the only

Tammy:

one, but still it was a rude awakening.

Tammy:

It was a, it was kind of a bummer.

Kim:

so cruel world earned its name, Saye guy.

Kim:

it was a little bit of a cruel why the name Cruel World, by the way.

Kim:

And it

Tammy:

is, and it's funny.

Tammy:

So let me jump to the obvious event that happened and that it got shut down early.

Tammy:

So first of all, there, okay, this was during, this was

Tammy:

toward the end of the festival.

Tammy:

It was during Iggy Pop.

Tammy:

It was dark.

Tammy:

It started to, thunder and lightning.

Tammy:

Not a lot of people saw the lightning.

Tammy:

I saw the lightning because, I was sitting on the ground far back from, I

Tammy:

couldn't make it to the front of Iggy Pop.

Tammy:

I just was too damn tired.

Tammy:

I'm like, I've seen Iggy Pop before and I love Iggy Pop,

Tammy:

but I just, I couldn't do it.

Tammy:

I'm like, there's no way.

Tammy:

I was up there in front for Gary Newman and some other bands, but by

Tammy:

the time Aggy Pop came around at, I don't know, nine o'clock, 8 30, 8 30,

Tammy:

9 o'clock at night, I couldn't do it.

Tammy:

I'm like, there's, because I would've had to fight.

Tammy:

Once you get up front.

Tammy:

Then there's a moment where you're like, I'm, I need to get outta here.

Tammy:

And you turn around and there's 20,000 people behind you that you

Tammy:

have to kind of whittle through.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

And, and so there's a little bit of a panic of like, uh, can I get outta here?

Tammy:

So I knew I wasn't gonna be able to stand for a long time during Iggy, so I'm

Tammy:

just like, I'm just gonna have to sit.

Tammy:

And, so he was only into a few songs, and I heard this, oh, this kind

Tammy:

of, and I was like, what happened?

Tammy:

And I looked over and there were a few people filming the sky.

Tammy:

I'm like, what the hell?

Tammy:

And then I s and then I saw the lightning, and I was like, oh.

Tammy:

And right then the sound cut out for Iggy.

Tammy:

Like the sound just cut out and I was like, oh shit,

Tammy:

they're gonna shut this down.

Tammy:

And every, no one noticed that.

Tammy:

I don't know.

Tammy:

I don't know if anyone was in denial.

Tammy:

Just didn't want, or a lot of people didn't see the lightning.

Tammy:

Cause if you were up close, you were watching the band,

Tammy:

it was off in the distance.

Tammy:

Of course you didn't see it.

Tammy:

right then I got up.

Tammy:

I started walking to the exit.

Tammy:

I'm like, fuck this.

Tammy:

The 50,000 people are gonna be heading for, they're going to, you

Tammy:

know, I just knew, I just knew.

Tammy:

So I started limping my way toward the exit, which was, a good two

Tammy:

miles away, which your walker.

Tammy:

And I'm like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom first, in the real bathrooms.

Tammy:

Not the freaking porta potty.

Tammy:

I'm gonna go to the real bathrooms on the way out and I'm

Tammy:

gonna get the hell outta here.

Tammy:

So that's exactly what happened.

Tammy:

I started, I started wheeling, limping my way out, and the human league was playing.

Tammy:

and I'll get to the bands and the set times and everything, cause that was

Tammy:

a whole other cluster, but for me.

Tammy:

But, human League was playing and I really wanted to see them.

Tammy:

But I love Iggy.

Tammy:

I had to make a choice.

Tammy:

I went to see Iggy as I was going out.

Tammy:

I thought, I.

Tammy:

human League is by the exit and I can't really remember where the exit is cuz it's

Tammy:

so freaking dark and there's no lights.

Tammy:

So I'm limping my way back past Human League.

Tammy:

Human League is still playing.

Tammy:

Iggy has cut out.

Tammy:

I can already hear by now that they've stopped Iggy.

Tammy:

And I just kept going.

Tammy:

I'm just like, oh, there's human league.

Tammy:

Okay.

Tammy:

I heard they're doing gr okay.

Tammy:

I just went right past them, went to the nearest bathroom and by the time I got out

Tammy:

of the bathroom, there were just lines of people leaving and I was like, oh shit.

Tammy:

Oh man.

Tammy:

So I, so fortunately, because I got there so early, and by early I mean by the

Tammy:

time I got parked, it was about one 30.

Tammy:

So my car was really close to the exit.

Tammy:

Somehow miraculously I was in, section F or something and there was an exit

Tammy:

right there and I just exited right out.

Tammy:

I took photos where my car was so I could find my way back.

Tammy:

And got in, got the hell outta there before anybody, like before

Tammy:

the majority of the people did.

Tammy:

So I was really lucky.

Tammy:

Like I knew, I just knew when that sound cut out and people thought it was

Tammy:

like, oh, I think even Iggy thought, oh, like something's wrong with the sound.

Tammy:

They were cutting the sound because the fire Marshall was shutting down

Tammy:

the festival because of the lightning.

Tammy:

So thank God I wasn't in the front for Iggy, because that would've, I forget it.

Tammy:

I would've never.

Kim:

Crazy.

Kim:

It's Iggy, I love you, but I'm not going to get struck by lightning over

Tammy:

you then.

Tammy:

people didn't know knowing what was going on.

Tammy:

and the announcement, you couldn't hear the announcement?

Tammy:

I read online someone, someone said, it sounded like they had a kid on the pa.

Tammy:

You could barely hear ' em that said, oh, the festival is something, and so nobody

Tammy:

paid attention cuz you couldn't hear it.

Tammy:

And no, nobody knew, but I knew, I get, I don't know, I don't know

Tammy:

how I knew, but I just knew, oh, they're gonna shut this shit down.

Tammy:

I gotta get outta here.

Tammy:

thank God.

Tammy:

Cause I heard, I read stories of people, first of all, thank God I

Tammy:

drove because getting an Uber, forget it in the area and you had no service.

Tammy:

There was no service.

Tammy:

So how are you gonna call, get an Uber when you can't get internet there?

Tammy:

And, 20,000 people trying to get an Uber at the same time or whatever.

Tammy:

They had shuttles.

Tammy:

I don't know what happened with the shuttles, but, and then the parking

Tammy:

lot was so dark, unmarked, no rhyme or reason, People were wandering around just

Tammy:

even trying to find their car for hours.

Tammy:

I read some guy, like Google mapped, how do I get outta here?

Tammy:

Basically just walking.

Tammy:

I think he was trying to get Uber, couldn't get an Uber.

Tammy:

Started walking and walked over some mountain.

Tammy:

So, cause it's in an area, there's nothing, you know, there's, it's,

Tammy:

there's nothing close by in the area.

Tammy:

You gotta walk a couple miles to get to any main street or anything.

Tammy:

So I read somebody had, you know, like Matt questioned, you

Tammy:

know, how do I walk outta here?

Tammy:

And it walked him up a mountain and then he got to the top of the mountain.

Tammy:

It was fenced off, so he had to turn around and walk back in the dark.

Tammy:

Like, I mean, just horror stories about people trying to get out there.

Tammy:

And I can't, I don't know.

Tammy:

I'm sure it took at least two hours to get at least two hours to get out of there.

Tammy:

For a lot of people.

Tammy:

So I was very happy that I got out right away.

Tammy:

And by then I was like, I.

Tammy:

I just made it to my hotel, limped into the lobby, grabbed my key and went

Tammy:

to my room and just like immediately took a shower and went to bed.

Tammy:

I was just, well, mean, I couldn't fall asleep.

Tammy:

I was still wired, but still, I was just like, I cannot stand or walk any longer.

Tammy:

Like, that's it.

Tammy:

I'm done, but I'm done.

Tammy:

little did I know that Shirley Manson from Garbage, who I love, was staying at

Tammy:

the same hotel and she was in the lobby having a drink, but I didn't know cuz I

Tammy:

was too damn tired and went to my room.

Tammy:

I didn't know until the next day.

Tammy:

I saw her Insta Stories and she was posting photos of herself

Tammy:

at like the lame hotel bar.

Tammy:

Cause the hotel was under construction, under renovation.

Tammy:

Under construction.

Tammy:

I'm like, Oh man, at my hotel, I could have had a drink with

Tammy:

Shirley Masson, but wasn't,

Tammy:

who

Kim:

knew?

Kim:

You could have maybe asked her to rub some Ben Gay on you.

Kim:

I mean, you could have talked about the whole thing.

Kim:

Crazy, right?

Tammy:

Crazy.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

So then I think at three in the morning they sent out a, a

Tammy:

message over the app that said, we're gonna reschedule to Sunday.

Tammy:

And so this gets a lot of mixed reaction, but they rescheduled Susie,

Tammy:

Gary Newman, and Iggy for Sunday.

Tammy:

So Gary Newman, I think six o'clock, I don't know, whatever, you know, staggered

Tammy:

each and, and extended time for Susie.

Tammy:

I have no idea how they pulled that off, honestly.

Tammy:

as a former event planner, that's a ton of logistics to get.

Tammy:

All of the crew back, not only the artists, but all of the crew back.

Tammy:

And then they had some, I think concessions.

Tammy:

Not full concessions, but some concessions.

Tammy:

They sent everybody's ticket back to them.

Tammy:

They just said, use your parking's free, use your same ticket.

Tammy:

But a lot of people like myself were flying out Sunday morning,

Tammy:

so they couldn't make it.

Tammy:

So then they sent out a message later Sunday afternoon that said, for those

Tammy:

of you that can't make it, you can email us and request a partial refund.

Tammy:

And so I thought that was above and beyond, festivals or concerts

Tammy:

on the East coast in Florida.

Tammy:

Gets shut down all the time.

Tammy:

And I think it's, sorry, you're s o l So I, I've never heard of anybody doing this.

Tammy:

A lot of people were blaming Golden Voice, and cruel world for

Tammy:

shutting it down, but it wasn't them, it was the fire department.

Tammy:

There's nothing they could do.

Tammy:

So it was the, the Pasadena Fire Department that shut

Tammy:

down, and I don't blame 'em.

Tammy:

I'm in Arizona and they're, the week before we had horrific storms here, like

Tammy:

monsoon storms that we usually have in maybe August timeframe, but they were

Tammy:

last week and they, those blew in so fast.

Tammy:

And like thunder, lightning, the whole thing.

Tammy:

So, I understand like how brutal those quick storms can be.

Tammy:

And I'm sure a lot of people do too.

Tammy:

But if you're from California, you're like, what the hell?

Tammy:

And then it didn't rain so on top, right?

Tammy:

So to make it worse, a lot of people didn't see the lightning.

Tammy:

They were mad.

Tammy:

A lot of people came in to see Susie, she hadn't performed in 15

Tammy:

years, and this was the only North American date that she was doing.

Tammy:

And so understandably, people were just livid.

Tammy:

and but what do you do?

Tammy:

I don't, you can't predict that kind of weather.

Tammy:

I did see on the app earlier in the day that there was

Tammy:

some thunderstorms and stuff.

Tammy:

but it just, it blew in really fast.

Tammy:

And I know from being here that sometimes those storms blow in

Tammy:

so fast and they're intense.

Tammy:

And if you are in.

Tammy:

Anywhere around that electrical, that stage, all those things

Tammy:

are lightning rods, all that.

Tammy:

Totally.

Tammy:

You know, so I, I understand it sucks, but here, so as I was making

Tammy:

my way toward the exit hobbling my way toward the exit, I was thinking, maybe

Tammy:

they shouldn't name it cruel world.

Tammy:

Like, well, if you're gonna name, if you're gonna put the energy out there that

Tammy:

this is the cruel world festival, don't be surprised when shit goes sideways,

Tammy:

because that is just the nature of it.

Tammy:

like the whole, and even like before all of this happened, the vibe of this

Tammy:

festival is, is dark and brooding.

Tammy:

It's, it's goth.

Tammy:

So it's despair, that kind of thing.

Tammy:

I mean, it's, it is joy, but it's also despair.

Tammy:

So, hey, maybe let's name it, I don't know.

Tammy:

Happy world.

Tammy:

that would never happen.

Tammy:

But, but point being, I just, I'm like, this is so ironic.

Tammy:

Or maybe not, maybe not.

Tammy:

School has been postponed a number of times from 2020.

Tammy:

what has something happened last year that I don't even remember.

Tammy:

And then they were saying, the lightning thing this year and

Tammy:

people are making comments online.

Tammy:

What's gonna happen next year?

Tammy:

You know, just welcome the locus.

Tammy:

Like, we'll see what happens next year.

Tammy:

So it was not fun in the moment.

Tammy:

and again, a lot of people were upset, but you gotta kinda

Tammy:

laugh Dang, what are the odds?

Tammy:

I don't know.

Tammy:

No,

Kim:

and it's interesting cuz you sent me, I think it was an IG feed and I was

Kim:

looking, and it seemed like it was split.

Kim:

You had people that were like, well, I mean, what are we gonna do?

Kim:

Get struck by lightning.

Kim:

And then everyone's running around in a panic.

Kim:

everyone's doing the best they can, versus people that are like,

Kim:

oh my God, I came to sue Suzie and she's, you know, it's been 30 years.

Kim:

So I kind of understood.

Kim:

And then you had people that were claiming it was all made up and it wasn't weather.

Kim:

They were like these weird conspiracies and stuff.

Tammy:

It's like calm where all of humanity comes in.

Tammy:

You know, you've got the conspiracy theorists and then you've got some

Tammy:

people, there was somebody that posted, I'm on a few different cruel

Tammy:

world attendee Facebook groups, right?

Tammy:

And then you have somebody posting, I'm gonna file a class action lawsuit.

Tammy:

I'm like, are you serious?

Tammy:

So then you just start to run the gamut of.

Tammy:

People's experiences and how they view the world.

Tammy:

All in one goth melting pot.

Kim:

Goth world meets cruel world.

Kim:

And here you go.

Kim:

Locuses.

Kim:

Enlightening.

Kim:

come on, what did, but let's face it, it gives you some great stories, everybody.

Kim:

it definitely wasn't It wasn't uninteresting, right?

Tammy:

but the bummer was too, even if I could have stayed for Susie and

Tammy:

Aggy the next day, I was so tired.

Kim:

okay, so we had goth.

Kim:

World meets cruel world.

Kim:

lightning striking locus is falling.

Kim:

what a crazy festival.

Kim:

Huh?

Tammy:

It.

Tammy:

Yeah, it was, yeah, it was much different than I expected.

Kim:

Yeah.

Kim:

What did you expect, by the way, did you have an idea?

Kim:

if you remember, what did you think was gonna, what were you anticipating?

Tammy:

like I said, I didn't think it was gonna be as goth as it was.

Tammy:

I was really surprised to see how many young goth people there were and,

Tammy:

and how many goth people in general.

Tammy:

I just thought it would be more, adult Gen x.

Tammy:

I didn't expect as many young people.

Tammy:

It's not a bad thing.

Tammy:

it's great that they attracted, so who knew there were so many young thoughts.

Tammy:

but it, it's great, but I, it just, I just wasn't expecting it.

Kim:

Yeah.

Kim:

mean, some of the pictures of the people, it was like just to go and people

Kim:

watch seemed like that would've been interesting in an, in its own Right.

Kim:

Just to check people out on their outfits.

Tammy:

And for me, it was a l it was.

Tammy:

I hate to say it, but it was distracting.

Tammy:

Like I'm there for the music.

Tammy:

I'm not there for Coachella of golf.

Tammy:

I am, I like, I wanna have fun.

Tammy:

I dressed up, I wanna have fun, but I'm there hyper-focused on the bands.

Tammy:

I wanna see.

Tammy:

There were so many bands and so much music.

Tammy:

So for me it was, it was a bit distracting, like, wow,

Tammy:

people are going all out.

Tammy:

and I kept thinking, is this how they dress every day?

Tammy:

I'm sure it probably isn't, maybe its, I dunno.

Tammy:

And I'm thinking, I wonder where they work.

Tammy:

I wonder what kinda work they do.

Tammy:

I wonder if, I just, I was, it was really, it was quite a show.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Kim:

that's like a perfect segueway to get into like what

Kim:

bands played at Go Cell, who was there, go Cell, what was happening.

Tammy:

That's hysterical.

Tammy:

Okay.

Tammy:

That's probably gonna be the, the title of this episode, goth Cell Goth.

Tammy:

So, oh my gosh.

Tammy:

So, well, I'll just run down like some of the bands that I saw, some

Tammy:

of the bands I wanted to see and I, everything in between, So when I first

Tammy:

got there, eighties Band and Emotion was one of the first band playing.

Tammy:

They were, they were okay.

Tammy:

I, I knew one of their songs.

Tammy:

I don't know how much they've played in recent years.

Tammy:

it was okay that, and it was early in the day, right after.

Tammy:

Them in the, in a stage nearby was Berlin.

Tammy:

And Berlin was playing in place of, the motels who canceled last minute.

Tammy:

I'm not sure why Berlin put on a great show.

Tammy:

I didn't go to that stage.

Tammy:

Again, I was all about maximizing energy and walking at that point, even early on.

Tammy:

So I could see Berlin from where I was sitting ass on grass.

Tammy:

But I did walk up to the stage and, they were phenomenal.

Tammy:

Like they, Terry nun, they're still touring.

Tammy:

she looks great, sounds great.

Tammy:

She was so excited.

Tammy:

I saw somewhere online somebody said the most enthusiastic goes to, to

Tammy:

Berlin most enthusiastic performance.

Tammy:

and it was, she was great and people loved it.

Kim:

Now my question is, did she have that signature hairdo?

Kim:

Did she, is she still rocking that

Tammy:

hairdo?

Tammy:

She had pigtails and one was black and one was blonde.

Tammy:

Ah, looks fantastic.

Tammy:

She looked great.

Tammy:

She looked great.

Tammy:

then there were, oh, I didn't talk about the merch line.

Tammy:

So in between I was there to see Gary Newman flat out.

Tammy:

Like I, I was there to see a lot of bands, but the performer that I

Tammy:

was not gonna miss was Gary Newman.

Tammy:

I missed his tour last year.

Tammy:

I couldn't get to any of the dates.

Tammy:

And so when I saw he was performing at Cruel World, I just, that was it.

Tammy:

I had to seek Gary Newman.

Tammy:

So Gary Newman was playing at 5 35.

Tammy:

And there were a few bands playing in between I that I, I could catch or not.

Tammy:

And I thought, maybe this is a good time to wait in the merch line.

Tammy:

I waited for 45 minutes in the merch line and barely moved.

Tammy:

I had to bail so I wouldn't Ms.

Tammy:

Gary Newman.

Tammy:

And I heard reports later that the merch line was two hours.

Tammy:

People stood in line for two hours or more for merch.

Tammy:

Wow.

Tammy:

I'm not waiting in line for a shirt.

Tammy:

I'm sorry.

Tammy:

But, so that was a bummer.

Tammy:

that was one of those things where if there were two improvements of the

Tammy:

festival, one was get the merch shit together because it is a, who wants to

Tammy:

wait in line pe I saw people saying that they waited in line and missed two bands.

Tammy:

I would never miss a band to, I don't blame that, just

Tammy:

get a t-shirt, but god damn.

Tammy:

No way.

Tammy:

So that, that's awful.

Tammy:

get some more merch.

Tammy:

There's demand for it.

Tammy:

Get some more merch tables, whatever.

Tammy:

so that's my rant on that.

Tammy:

The other was the parking lot.

Tammy:

The parking lot was a disaster.

Tammy:

And because of the emergency, this was not even, this was an emergency.

Tammy:

they put up the, this is an emergency, make your way toward the exit.

Tammy:

I was already long gone by then, but let's, God forbid there's

Tammy:

a shooting or something, that's the world we live in now.

Tammy:

That was a shit show to get out of there.

Tammy:

moving forward, and I think they realize that there, I don't know

Tammy:

if it's the city of Pasadena.

Tammy:

I don't know if it's cruel world.

Tammy:

I don't know if it's both, but there is like one road going in

Tammy:

and out of there, like around, but the parking lot was a nightmare.

Tammy:

Places were not lit that well.

Tammy:

You couldn't see, you c in the festival you couldn't see.

Tammy:

The bathrooms weren't lit at night, There was a lot of safety issues and

Tammy:

they're lucky that people, that this wasn't a real emergency and that

Tammy:

storm didn't blow in or worse And even security getting in, they had a metal

Tammy:

detector but they weren't checking anybody's bags or anything like that.

Tammy:

So security is a real issue that they really need to address for next year.

Tammy:

So anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Tammy:

So on my way after standing in line, sweating to death, trying to get fucking

Tammy:

T-shirt, which I never got, I went to Gary Newman, I made my way over empty handed,

Tammy:

made my way over to Gary Newman and, and got up pretty close and he was phenomenal.

Tammy:

So different than I expected.

Tammy:

this is, this is not eighties tribute Gary Newman.

Tammy:

He's been performing long since then, and, He has changed his sound

Tammy:

to more of an industrial, very, more of a heavy industrial sound.

Tammy:

And the people that were there were Gary Newman fans and tons, I mean, there was

Tammy:

a sea of people watching Gary Newman.

Tammy:

his show was very theatrical.

Tammy:

he was fantastic.

Tammy:

He's 65 years old and quite agile.

Tammy:

Might I add Wow.

Tammy:

Doing, like these squats.

Tammy:

And I'm just like, how is he doing that, phenomenal performance, which is strange.

Tammy:

Some people online were commenting that he was lip syncing.

Tammy:

I'm like, I don't see it.

Tammy:

I was up pretty close.

Tammy:

I don't see it, but I think there was a leg from, what

Tammy:

you were seeing on the screen.

Tammy:

If you were seeing him from far away.

Tammy:

There was a leg from.

Tammy:

What's showing on the screen and what you're hearing, there's a slight delay.

Tammy:

So I think that's why people were saying that he was li

Tammy:

maybe he had a backing track.

Tammy:

a lot of artists do.

Tammy:

That's not a big deal.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

He was not lip syncing.

Tammy:

I don't know why people are saying that.

Tammy:

He was phenomenal.

Tammy:

I don't know.

Tammy:

Anyway, maybe I'm biased cause I'm G fan, but I thought it was amazing.

Tammy:

And what was really cool too was I saw his wife, on the

Tammy:

side of the stage filming him.

Tammy:

I'm like, there's Gemma, his wife, like I'm, and then at the very end,

Tammy:

his three daughters went to the side of the stage and were watching him.

Tammy:

And, and he like pointed to them, and not during his performance, not to the crowd.

Tammy:

But you could see like he was, just like waving because this was his last

Tammy:

performance, this was it for his tour.

Tammy:

Oh wow.

Tammy:

so for the US anyway, and at the end of this, the intruder

Tammy:

tour, so this was the last date.

Tammy:

So it was really cool.

Tammy:

I'm really glad I got to see him.

Kim:

excellent.

Kim:

I know that, you're a huge fan.

Kim:

We've talked about him on other episodes, so I'm so happy you had

Kim:

a chance to see him without uh, any interruptions and everything.

Tammy:

Yeah, I did.

Tammy:

We did, post a clip of one of his songs, metal on our channel, so you can see

Tammy:

that, below, but, get a glimpse of it.

Tammy:

But he was great band.

Tammy:

Phenomenal.

Tammy:

Like just great show.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

And

Kim:

I wanted to comment on that because the clips that you put up, it looks

Kim:

visually in just some, production-wise, it looked like a really great production.

Tammy:

Oh yeah.

Tammy:

Pretty, yes, production-wise, Fanta just the tour must have been amazing

Tammy:

cuz it was so theatrical and.

Tammy:

performance wise.

Tammy:

Production wise, yeah.

Tammy:

Really cool.

Tammy:

And then you sounded great.

Kim:

awesome.

Kim:

But I know that, one thing that you mentioned that made it difficult for

Kim:

you to see everybody you wanted, they had staggered performances, right?

Kim:

Yeah.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

So I'm sure they do that for a reason to maybe, I don't know,

Tammy:

maybe separate people, cuz n not all, 37,000, 50,000, whatever can

Tammy:

go, can fit right, can go see one.

Tammy:

So you have to make a choice.

Tammy:

So I didn't make a lot of uncomfortable choices, which sucked.

Tammy:

And in fact, and the festival was really crowded.

Tammy:

That was the other thing that I didn't expect.

Tammy:

it was really crowded, almost like there's too many people

Tammy:

here crowded in for this space.

Tammy:

That's how it felt to me.

Tammy:

I've seen a few other people online that's maybe that's normal.

Tammy:

Maybe I'm getting old and it's, but it just, it.

Tammy:

The whole thing to me was just like, I don't know about this venue.

Tammy:

I, I'm not so sure last year the festival was two days because they had such demand.

Tammy:

So they had the exact same show two days in a row, which would be

Tammy:

amazing because, and then just split the crowd, you know, like Right.

Tammy:

Not have as big of a crowd, sell it for two days.

Tammy:

And then that way it's more manageable because if it were two days, I would've

Tammy:

just stayed at one stage And watched all the artists that I want to on that stage.

Tammy:

And then the next day I would've gone back to the other two stages that were closer

Tammy:

together to see all the eighties bands.

Tammy:

So like the main stage was, I guess more goth, I guess.

Tammy:

and Susie was headlining the main stage, Iggy Susie, Gary Newman.

Tammy:

And then there were a number of goth, newer goth bands before that, that I

Tammy:

know, like a lot of goth industrial kind of, electronic music before that,

Tammy:

and then over at the other two stages were a lot of the eighties bands, oh,

Tammy:

I almost forgot, I forgot to write them down that they were so good.

Tammy:

One of the first bands I saw was the Vapors.

Tammy:

Oh, wow.

Tammy:

Oh wow.

Tammy:

in eighties, I think even late seventies and eighties band.

Tammy:

And they were phenomenal.

Tammy:

Like they were so good.

Tammy:

I loved the papers they were on after an motion.

Tammy:

they were great.

Tammy:

And so did they

Kim:

sing that song?

Kim:

I'm turning Japanese.

Kim:

It might think.

Kim:

Okay.

Kim:

Fantastic.

Kim:

Yes, that's them.

Kim:

That's exactly Oh, got it.

Tammy:

And then when I went to wait in the merch line, I could still see that

Tammy:

stage and still hear, and gang of four.

Tammy:

Played and Gang of Four, is the band that, that, that had the

Tammy:

song, I Love A Man In Uniform.

Tammy:

Oh yeah.

Tammy:

I love that song.

Tammy:

They were phenomenal.

Tammy:

And they were very, I think a very political band and about,

Tammy:

against capitalism and things and they were phenomenal.

Tammy:

I was like, everybody was literally like, whoa, look at King of Four.

Tammy:

Everybody was talking about Gang of Four.

Tammy:

They were so good.

Tammy:

So I would check them out in a small club.

Tammy:

I would see them in a heartbeat.

Tammy:

I bet they are crazy good.

Tammy:

in a small club.

Tammy:

They were crazy good.

Tammy:

at Ella, but in a small, in a smaller club.

Tammy:

I almost said Coachella.

Tammy:

They, but they were, I would see them in a heartbeat.

Tammy:

So they were really good.

Tammy:

It's awesome.

Tammy:

But I was making my way to Gary Newman, so I had to go, they had two stages close

Tammy:

together, pretty close together, and they had a lot of the eighties bands there.

Tammy:

But I had to go to the main stage to get to Gary Newman, and I knew it was

Tammy:

probably gonna be parked there for a while and gonna miss the other bands.

Tammy:

So I did Miss, oh Adam, Matt ca I really wanted to see Adam.

Tammy:

Matt.

Tammy:

He canceled his whole North American tour actually just a

Tammy:

few days before, cruel World.

Tammy:

do you know why?

Tammy:

They haven't given a reason.

Tammy:

I know he struggled with a lot of health and mental health issues, so it, I,

Tammy:

I, I don't know what the reason is.

Tammy:

I hope he's, I hope he's okay.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

So unfortunately, and in his place was Squeeze, which I didn't.

Tammy:

Oh, wow.

Tammy:

See, because I was over overseeing, trying to get to Gary Newman's.

Tammy:

but I heard Squeeze was amazing.

Tammy:

Squeeze is now on tour with a psychedelic first, so that would

Tammy:

be a show I would go check out.

Tammy:

I heard the Squeeze was phenomenal.

Tammy:

Oh, wow.

Kim:

Never

Tammy:

love them, love them.

Tammy:

Abc, I really wanted to see Martin Fry.

Tammy:

I heard ABC was spectacular.

Tammy:

I saw some clips online, didn't get to see 'em, they were too far away.

Tammy:

I was a Gary Newman and Loving Rockets, so that's what I had to choose.

Tammy:

So after Gary Newman was loving rockets and there was no way I was

Tammy:

missing loving rockets because this was their first performance in 15 years.

Tammy:

and I stood, right at the beginning of Love and Rock.

Tammy:

I thought maybe, maybe I'll catch.

Tammy:

Half of Love and rockets and then maybe try to get over to a b abc.

Tammy:

But Love and Rockets was so stunning.

Tammy:

I couldn't take my eyes off it.

Tammy:

I couldn't leave.

Tammy:

So they were so good.

Tammy:

And I posted a clip of one of their songs as well on our channels

Tammy:

to check that out, their show.

Tammy:

They just, them, they like, that was the first show of the day

Tammy:

where I was just like, whoa.

Tammy:

Rock stars, man.

Tammy:

They were like, Daniel was wearing this, red glittery, jacket and they,

Tammy:

the lighting was just perfect on it.

Tammy:

They must have had a spotlight on it.

Tammy:

And it was just like glittering and the production in the stage show,

Tammy:

and they were, just mesmerizing.

Tammy:

So love and rockets was phenomenal.

Tammy:

I'm so glad I got to see them, but I had to miss ABC to see them.

Tammy:

I had to mis squeeze to see them.

Tammy:

So it's a bummer.

Tammy:

I really wish it was two days.

Tammy:

Cause even if I were, a young goth and able to like literally sprint back

Tammy:

and forth between the shows, you still had, they were overlapping too much.

Tammy:

You still, you either choose to.

Tammy:

See all the bands for a couple of minutes to try to get in as many

Tammy:

as possible, or the ones you really wanna see and not get to see the

Tammy:

others, try to catch them on tour.

Tammy:

So it's like a sample.

Tammy:

The, that's what I used to love about festivals is you got to see, shorter

Tammy:

sets of so many different artists, but the way that Cruel world was

Tammy:

staggered, there was too much overlap.

Tammy:

At least, years ago when I went to Coachella, years and year,

Tammy:

I'm talking like 2007, at least.

Tammy:

The o the overlap wasn't bad.

Tammy:

Like you could walk, okay, I'm gonna go see a squeeze.

Tammy:

But they end about five minutes before Gary Newman's.

Tammy:

So you could really see they staggered him well enough to where

Tammy:

you could make it back and forth.

Tammy:

They didn't do that at Cruel World.

Tammy:

They overlapped too much.

Tammy:

I don't know.

Tammy:

I don't know why I feel like it's a capacity issue.

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

Because I don't, you know, so, So then from there, Billy Idol was playing

Tammy:

and right after 11 Rockets, sprinted, well, sprint is a strong word.

Tammy:

I again, was able to walk, moved with intentions.

Tammy:

This space, at that point, still it was hurting, but I was still able to

Tammy:

walk and I made it over to the tail end of Billy Idol and there was a

Tammy:

Sea of Gen X people at Billy Idol.

Tammy:

Oh.

Tammy:

And they were happy as fuck to see Billy Idol like they were.

Tammy:

I walked up and immediately I was like, whoa.

Tammy:

Like the energy was, everybody was so happy, And remember this

Tammy:

was a goth festival, more or less.

Tammy:

So it was great to, and I was looking around ah, here's

Tammy:

where all the old people are.

Tammy:

Cool.

Tammy:

So I couldn't even get remotely close to Billy.

Tammy:

I like to, and by that time it was dark, so you couldn't see, you couldn't

Tammy:

really navigate around too much.

Tammy:

But there were so many people seeing Billy Idle, I'm like, oh, I can't

Tammy:

even get anywhere near the stage.

Tammy:

no, not even remotely.

Tammy:

Like I was a football field away, I think.

Tammy:

But he was doing phenomenal.

Tammy:

Steve Stevens was killing it.

Tammy:

as he does on guitar.

Tammy:

A large part of that show was him.

Tammy:

and just, phenomenal.

Tammy:

But it was really cute.

Tammy:

Billy Idol's, granddaughter Poppy was there at the side of the stage and it was

Tammy:

her birthday, so we all got Oh, sweet.

Tammy:

Happy birthday to Poppy.

Tammy:

It was super cute.

Tammy:

I'm so glad.

Tammy:

Like I, I saw that part cuz he posts.

Tammy:

About her quite a bit on, on Instagram and stuff.

Tammy:

So it was Billy o Show was great.

Tammy:

And, they perform a lot.

Tammy:

He, they, they're still out there performing, so it's a well-oiled machine.

Tammy:

I don't want, I don't want that to sound, like whatever.

Tammy:

I don't want it to sound like, oh, it was just a, you know, the point

Tammy:

is that the production was great.

Tammy:

they're just great.

Tammy:

you can tell it's like a few of the bands like, and Motion.

Tammy:

I'm not sure how many times they performed in recent years.

Tammy:

it wasn't a well held ma I'm not saying they were bad, it just

Tammy:

wasn't, I don't know how much they're out there performing.

Tammy:

Whereas you can tell Billy Idol that's a show, they're doing this.

Tammy:

It wasn't just a reunion.

Tammy:

He sounds they, you know, it's, it's, it's just different.

Kim:

Awesome.

Kim:

And we have that, a clip of that, performance.

Kim:

We have a clip of

Tammy:

wealth on the, I'm sorry, I'm like a hundred miles away.

Tammy:

It was the closest I can get.

Tammy:

It was dark too, so I wish I had gotten closer, but I

Tammy:

did catch a little bit of it.

Tammy:

yeah.

Tammy:

And again, catch sounds great.

Tammy:

he announced his tour on Monday, so you can catch Billy Idol touring around,

Tammy:

I think North America this summer.

Tammy:

catch a show is always great.

Kim:

Awesome, awesome.

Kim:

despite all the extra, mother Nature Dealing, accrual, cruel Blow, it

Kim:

sounds like you had fun with the bands that you're able to see.

Kim:

I know you, you really wanted to catch Gary, so I'm, I know

Kim:

you were super excited to see

Tammy:

him.

Tammy:

Yeah, so the, the last one after Billy Idol, Iggy.

Tammy:

I heard Iggy Pop starting, so that was about the point where my

Tammy:

body was like, yeah, you're done.

Tammy:

So I moved away from Billy Idol and toward Iggy Pop, and so I was in

Tammy:

the middle, facing Iggy Pop watching that, and, when everything went down.

Tammy:

But what I saw of Iggy Pop in the beginning, the, I made a few notes.

Tammy:

I, I brought my notebook.

Tammy:

I'm a geek, so I brought my notebook with me.

Tammy:

But, some of the notes that I made about Iggy is he's, he, I've seen

Tammy:

him before and he's just masterful.

Tammy:

He's a masterful performer, still at 76, and he is hobbling around the stage.

Tammy:

No shirt on.

Tammy:

He never wears a freaking shirt his entire life.

Tammy:

And he's great.

Tammy:

There's something about him that is still such a great performer.

Tammy:

He still sounds great, but there's something about his performance and

Tammy:

the musicians that he surrounds himself with on stage are always phenomenal.

Tammy:

I've seen him perform with Josh Hammi from Queensland Stone Age, as his

Tammy:

backing band, which by the way, Josh Hammi, I believe, was on the side of

Tammy:

the stage because his son, his younger son, Iggy, pulled out on stage and his,

Tammy:

I don't know how old his son is now, maybe six, I'm guessing five, six maybe.

Tammy:

Yeah, I'm guessing around that age.

Tammy:

Maybe he's a little older now, but he was doing this little dance on stage

Tammy:

and everyone was like, who is that kid?

Tammy:

Why did Amy bring this kid on stage?

Tammy:

And that was right before.

Tammy:

The festival shut down.

Tammy:

And then I was like, what is that Josh Hammis kid?

Tammy:

and then I looked online and sure enough, he, that it was his kid.

Tammy:

Josh Hammi was there at some point, but he's just masterful is so high energy.

Tammy:

Whenever I've seen anybody perform with ae the band members are so in awe of him.

Tammy:

It brings them to a new level.

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

Like they perform at their highest level when they're on state.

Tammy:

I, you can just see it, the energy and the way, and the musicianship.

Tammy:

It's just, it's phenomenal.

Tammy:

So I got to see three songs before it got shut down.

Tammy:

I think it was during.

Tammy:

He was singing passenger, the passenger.

Tammy:

and Josh Hammis song was, son was dancing to that.

Tammy:

And I think that's when it got shut down.

Tammy:

So I heard when he came back on Sunday night that he, got on stage and said, deja

Tammy:

vu, I think was the first thing he said.

Tammy:

And then I read that he dropped trial two or three times.

Tammy:

I'm like, yes.

Tammy:

Like I just love him.

Tammy:

that's him.

Tammy:

that's just, he's so awesome.

Tammy:

one of the things he said, like he was just, and you can

Tammy:

tell he's so happy to be there.

Tammy:

he was just like, hello everyone.

Tammy:

Hey, how are you doing?

Tammy:

to the crowd.

Tammy:

And he's like, and he, I remember him saying, I wrote this down.

Tammy:

He was like, oh, fucking thank you everyone.

Tammy:

I am so fucking happy to be here.

Tammy:

he's just, And, you know, the feeling is mutual.

Tammy:

Like, we're happy to, we're happy he's there too.

Tammy:

So the two that I was really there to see were Gary Newman and Iggy.

Tammy:

I'm bummed that it got cut short, but I'm glad that he was able to go back and, I

Tammy:

wasn't a Susie disciple back in the day.

Tammy:

I do love Susie and the Banes.

Tammy:

I love their music.

Tammy:

but I don't, in all honesty, know a lot about her.

Tammy:

Didn't really follow her.

Tammy:

Like the people that were there to see her, do, you know, the Susie

Tammy:

to them is like Depeche mode to me.

Tammy:

So that's the level of obsession and love that people were there for.

Tammy:

Su and I am.

Tammy:

I'm, although I wasn't able to see it on Sunday night, I'm really glad,

Tammy:

I think over 20,000 people returned, which was way more than I thought.

Tammy:

I didn't think there were gonna be that many people that

Tammy:

were gonna be able to return.

Tammy:

And there were, there was a huge crowd.

Tammy:

So I'm really glad that they did, they were able to schedule that.

Tammy:

I think it, that was, I think it's amazing.

Tammy:

They were able to pull that off.

Tammy:

I have no idea how.

Tammy:

And that was

Kim:

at the Rose Bowl, right?

Tammy:

It's at Brookside Park next to the Rose Bowl.

Tammy:

Okay.

Tammy:

So it's not in the stadium.

Tammy:

there would be seating in the stadium.

Tammy:

it's in this huge park right next to the stadium that, that they do have

Tammy:

a number of, I think concerts and festivals and that kind of thing.

Tammy:

So they are accustomed to it.

Tammy:

There's, I don't know why the parking isn't better organ, maybe it's up to

Tammy:

each individual festival to organize the parking better, but, they really need

Tammy:

a better emergency contingency plan.

Tammy:

I think that was loud and clear.

Tammy:

I'm sure they have learned that, and I'm sure it will be different for next year.

Tammy:

I hope I would just really hope they make it into a two day festival.

Tammy:

I don't know that, I don't know that I would go back again because of that,

Tammy:

because of the Sure stamina that it takes.

Tammy:

Unless, if it were, like, if Depeche Mode were playing, I would probably

Tammy:

go, of course I would go, but I don't, it just wasn't doable to try to see

Tammy:

the number of bands that I wanted to.

Tammy:

it just wasn't given the stage times, the overlapping times and the, the

Tammy:

square miles you have to walk to get to everything and so I, I don't know.

Tammy:

I don't know if I'd go back.

Kim:

it's really interesting because it's like you have these,

Kim:

these I can imagine the conflict.

Kim:

It's do I see A, B, C, or squeeze?

Kim:

I wanna see them both.

Kim:

Right.

Tammy:

I know.

Tammy:

And I, and then I heard, and then you have FOMO so bad because I heard how

Tammy:

good Squeeze was and I'm like, damn.

Tammy:

But I did see love rockets, and that

Kim:

was, and they sounded amazing.

Kim:

They sounded amazing.

Tammy:

Good.

Tammy:

Amazing.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

But I missed so, and a b, ABC and I, and I'm trying to look and see where

Tammy:

I might be able to catch some of these artists out on tour this summer.

Tammy:

But, it's tough to get out and see everybody that's supposed to be

Tammy:

the beauty of the festival, right?

Tammy:

Is getting to see, even though there's shorter sets, getting

Tammy:

to see as many people at once, and it's just not really that.

Tammy:

Doable.

Tammy:

Unfortunately, the, they're the, it's a good problem.

Tammy:

There's so many great bands.

Tammy:

That's the great news, but it needs to be two days.

Tammy:

In my humble opinion.

Kim:

So that's Tammy's 2 cents.

Kim:

Tammy's weighing and Crew world people, if you ever catch our show, make it two days.

Kim:

Yes.

Kim:

Get your parking together, great production, um, and

Kim:

maybe work on your security.

Kim:

But otherwise, you know,

Tammy:

there were a lot of things they did really well.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

I, but, but those two things are pretty significant.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

the security thing is a big issue.

Tammy:

and again, I just think it was the sheer number of people,

Tammy:

which again, is a good thing.

Tammy:

You, the interest is there.

Tammy:

Right.

Tammy:

The people wanna see it.

Tammy:

The people wanna go.

Tammy:

The goth people and the Gen X people want to go and in that way, like

Tammy:

then make it to, you know, make it.

Tammy:

You can go the Gen X track and you can see ABC and Squeeze and

Tammy:

all of these, or the Fullon goth track, but overlapping the two.

Tammy:

Cuz I thought about that.

Tammy:

I've been thinking about that the last couple days.

Tammy:

Like retracing in my steps of, well, okay, now that I know what I

Tammy:

know, would I do it differently In terms of the bands that I would see?

Tammy:

I'm like, no.

Tammy:

Cuz I was there to see the, I couldn't have, if I were there, if I went to

Tammy:

Squeeze and ABC and Human League, we didn't even talk about Human League.

Tammy:

I heard Human League was phenomenal.

Tammy:

People were staying online.

Tammy:

Like before they got shut down they were killing it.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

I read that Human League if, you know, out, out touring, I'm

Tammy:

gonna try to go see 'em too.

Tammy:

I don't know if I can get to 'em.

Tammy:

I'm not even sure what their touring is like this summer, but, so if I just went.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

Human League, abc, let's see, modern English.

Tammy:

I didn't even talk about that.

Tammy:

Wow.

Tammy:

They were there too early on in the day.

Tammy:

I saw them last year, so that's why I was like, all right, I

Tammy:

can cross 'em off the list.

Tammy:

Cause I just saw them not too long ago, but they were there.

Tammy:

So I could've gone that track, but then I would've missed Gary Newman.

Tammy:

I would've missed Iggy.

Tammy:

I would've missed loving rockets.

Tammy:

I would've.

Tammy:

So you really had to make a choice.

Tammy:

a lot of people chose Billy Idol.

Tammy:

yeah.

Kim:

But, and you know what a good problem to have great bands.

Kim:

But yeah.

Kim:

Yeah.

Kim:

it's a good problem to have, Yeah.

Kim:

But I imagine, the numbers of it all is like, they, you know,

Kim:

probably didn't make obviously the same kind of money every two days.

Tammy:

I'm sure.

Tammy:

Comes down to money.

Tammy:

get some more merch lines.

Tammy:

You wanna make more money, get some more merch lines.

Kim:

Seriously set up another tent, folks.

Kim:

Do it.

Tammy:

Oh goodness.

Tammy:

Or make it available online.

Tammy:

Or make it available online.

Tammy:

This is a problem for all concerts.

Tammy:

I've been like, Depeche Mode, I, we talked about the hour wait, that I waited in

Tammy:

line for an hour for Depeche Mode merch and missed the first band entirely,

Tammy:

which I, you know, that was cool.

Tammy:

I was happy to do, but now I'm starting to see a bigger problem,

Tammy:

like, why don't we pre-order merch and pick it up when we're there.

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

You know, like if you don't wanna do the shipping and mailing thing, because

Tammy:

Cruel World did a bit of that, I think there was a pickup for some people, like

Tammy:

in v i p, like a certain kind of ticket.

Tammy:

You could stand in a shorter line and just go pick up mer.

Tammy:

I don't know how it worked, but there's gotta be something better

Tammy:

than standing in line for two hours and missing music to buy a T-shirt.

Tammy:

Don't we have a better system by now?

Tammy:

We can't.

Tammy:

We can't streamline this any better.

Tammy:

Let's do better.

Kim:

Let's do better.

Kim:

Pull it together people.

Kim:

Yes.

Kim:

So Tammy

Tammy:

says, so please.

Tammy:

Oh, I am sure.

Tammy:

I wouldn't be the only one either.

Tammy:

Please.

Tammy:

But

Kim:

you know what?

Kim:

I get the impression though, that it also create, it goes along

Kim:

with the whole concert experience.

Kim:

Oh my God.

Kim:

We're waiting online.

Kim:

I think they, I think they kinda lean into that and, oh my God, what's that line?

Kim:

You know what I mean?

Tammy:

I agree.

Tammy:

But two hours is excessive.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

Oh, Yes.

Tammy:

Create the demand.

Tammy:

Create the line.

Tammy:

That's part of the experience.

Tammy:

Two hours, two hours.

Tammy:

Over two hours.

Tammy:

Come on in the heat wearing all black for God's sake.

Kim:

Like really cruel world.

Kim:

Come on.

Kim:

lighten this theme up a little bit,

Tammy:

right?

Tammy:

Maybe that was the point.

Tammy:

It was cruel.

Tammy:

Maybe all of this was the point.

Tammy:

It was supposed to be cruel.

Tammy:

I'm having an epiphany right now.

Tammy:

Like that fire

Kim:

festival, it was supposed

Tammy:

to be this way.

Tammy:

It was supposed to torturer us.

Tammy:

I'm starting to see it now.

Tammy:

How bad do you wanna

Kim:

be here?

Kim:

Yes.

Kim:

Tammy, I'm so glad that you made it so we can get that, that firsthand.

Kim:

Uh, Reenactment, uh, recount, whatever the word is of that experience, hearing

Kim:

the painful steps that you took.

Kim:

And I'm so glad you're able to see, you know, the axis.

Kim:

Literally see the painful steps.

Kim:

Literally the painful, yeah.

Kim:

Soaking your feet in ebbs and salts afterwards.

Kim:

I know it was worth it.

Kim:

And, um, what a, what a crazy bunch of circumstances.

Kim:

I'm just glad that no one was injured or hurt or anything along those lines.

Tammy:

me too.

Tammy:

Me too.

Tammy:

Yeah,

Kim:

because it could have been worse, with people.

Kim:

That's what I mean,

Tammy:

stampeding, it could have been so much.

Tammy:

And that's, this is a good thing too.

Tammy:

There were no riots.

Tammy:

There was no stampede.

Tammy:

There was no panic.

Tammy:

There was no probably cuz people didn't really, but imagine

Tammy:

if it were something else.

Tammy:

Yeah.

Tammy:

And if there were an actual panic, the crowd was great.

Tammy:

There was no, I didn't And all doing it for that matter.

Tammy:

Didn't see any fighting, didn't, there were no mosh pits.

Tammy:

This is go, this is an heavy metal.

Tammy:

it was, it was overall it was a good crowd.

Tammy:

it was a good vibe.

Tammy:

It was.

Tammy:

It, you know, it was, it was, it was pretty chill, Goff low key.

Tammy:

But, so in that respect, it was good.

Tammy:

and thank God no one was hurt and the storm didn't roll in and

Tammy:

nobody got struck by lightning.

Tammy:

And there, I mean there are a lot of good things there.

Tammy:

There are a lot of great things that came outta the day.

Tammy:

Awesome.

Tammy:

Some learning

Kim:

as well.

Kim:

Remember folks pack your ben gay and your portable walker and

Tammy:

yeah.

Tammy:

If I do go, if I, if there is another one next year and if I do go

Tammy:

there will be a different strategy.

Tammy:

I can say

Kim:

that for sure, I have to say hat off to you for taking a

Kim:

picture of where your car parked.

Kim:

I have never done that and that's such a great thing to do.

Tammy:

I did it at the airport too, and thank God.

Tammy:

Cause I parked in a new airport spot and I took, oh, I'm just,

Tammy:

I gotta pat myself on the back.

Tammy:

I don't know how I did it, because I was so scattered just trying to, get there.

Tammy:

I couldn't think so I'm just like, I'm just gonna have to take a, I

Tammy:

took a photo of the spot, I took a photo of the level, the garage.

Tammy:

I had to take a tram.

Tammy:

When I got off the tram, I took a photo of where the tram got off.

Tammy:

I took photos every, that's the first time I've really ever done that.

Tammy:

And thank God, because I was dead, coming back the next morning.

Tammy:

Dead tired, no idea where I parked, what I did.

Tammy:

Limping through the airport to get to my car the next morning.

Tammy:

And thank God I was just like, oh, look at these photos.

Tammy:

I took genius.

Tammy:

And it was just cause I was completely stressed and outta my

Tammy:

mind and it was early in the morning and my brain hadn't kicked in.

Tammy:

So that's the only reason I didn't really give it a lot of thought.

Tammy:

It was more of survival.

Tammy:

But tips for anyone take a photo of where you park.

Tammy:

It comes, or some people were saying drop a pin.

Tammy:

Mm-hmm.

Tammy:

I don't really know how to, I, I'm not a, you know, I don't know that, well,

Tammy:

I guess it would've helped me, but Kind of a photo person that helped me better.

Kim:

No, that's awesome.

Kim:

that's just great advice.

Kim:

Cause I've never done that.

Kim:

I'm, you know, when I park, I'm like, I'm 4g.

Kim:

What can I for Gar, you know, I'm trying to put some association with him.

Kim:

either write it down, grow or take a picture, make it simple.

Kim:

Keep it simple, folks.

Kim:

and that's a great strategy.

Kim:

And maybe you had some instinct of, you know, what, this day

Kim:

might, be a little hectic.

Kim:

You know what I'm saying?

Tammy:

yeah, I, yeah.

Tammy:

Thank you instincts, because I must have something else took over, especially

Tammy:

when the sound cut out for Iggy.

Tammy:

I just knew head for the exit.

Tammy:

Now they're shutting this shit down.

Tammy:

Get out now.

Kim:

Get out now.

Kim:

Yeah.

Kim:

Crazy.

Kim:

Well, I'm so glad you made it and made it back safely and you weren't Yes.

Kim:

Injured or anything.

Kim:

Happy, happy to report, happy to report making for some great,

Kim:

great content for our channels.

Kim:

So thank you so much for braven all of that and getting out there.

Kim:

Really.

Kim:

Yeah, girl.

Kim:

Cuz you know, I'm just hearing, I'm just living vicariously

Kim:

through your experiences right now.

Tammy:

No, I'm out there anyway, so it's fun to, it's fun to report it.

Tammy:

It's really fun to.

Tammy:

To have an outlet to talk about this and to connect with other people.

Tammy:

And I would love to hear anybody who's watching, if you were there, please

Tammy:

comment on your experience below.

Tammy:

I would love to hear it.

Tammy:

and or you, we would love to hear it.

Tammy:

And also, if you weren't there, would you go, would you, what do you think?

Tammy:

How would you handle some of these situations?

Tammy:

we're doing this to connect with people.

Tammy:

We really want to connect with anyone watching the show.

Tammy:

And so please comment and, like share and

Kim:

subscribe.

Kim:

Absolutely.

Kim:

And check out all the other clips that Tammy has up of loving Rockets.

Kim:

Billy Idol.

Kim:

And is there a Gary Newman

Tammy:

clip up there too?

Tammy:

And Gary Newman?

Tammy:

Yes, there's Gary Newman.

Tammy:

Yes.

Tammy:

Perfect.

Kim:

Great.

Kim:

That is a wrap.

Kim:

That is the cruel world wrap up.

Kim:

And I'm just so happy that you made it.

Kim:

you found your car, you got back home.

Kim:

I'm sorry you missed, Marilyn though.

Kim:

That would've been, that would've been a, like to top off that whole event.

Kim:

That would've been great.

Kim:

You and Marilyn, having a drink or something, or her

Kim:

massaging your soul muscles.

Kim:

oh, Shirley.

Kim:

Shirley.

Kim:

Oh, Shirley.

Kim:

I'm sorry.

Kim:

Shirley.

Kim:

Shirley Manson.

Kim:

You're like Marilyn, man, like Shirley.

Tammy:

I'm seeing garbage in a couple of weeks, so stay tuned for my next report.

Tammy:

I'm seeing, I'll be seeing Shirley.

Tammy:

I don't know that we'll be happy drinks together.

Tammy:

but, seeing Shirley and Garbage along with No Gallagher in a

Tammy:

couple of weeks, so stay tuned.

Tammy:

I'll be reported on that.

Tammy:

Awesome.

Kim:

Awesome.

Kim:

And, we're getting, we're gearing up for our Women of Rock Summer of

Kim:

Fun, so please, keep coming back and, checking out our content as our girl

Kim:

Tammy is out there hitting the world tour and, carrying her Ben Gay and

Kim:

Walker and we're loving it all, girl.

Kim:

Yes, exactly.

Kim:

Loving it all and exactly.

Kim:

we'll see you next time and our phrase is, be kind, rock on and be good people.

Tammy:

I think that about sums it up.

Tammy:

And

Kim:

take pictures of where you parked and pin it

Tammy:

too.

Tammy:

That's right.

Tammy:

And take pictures of where you park and

Kim:

we'll see you next time.

Kim:

See you next

Tammy:

time.

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