Are you curious about the latest trends in technology and how they can elevate your podcast? If you're looking to get ahead in the podcasting and tech space, this is an episode you don't want to miss!

In this episode, Mathew Passy chats with Jordan Thibodeau, cohost of the SVIC podcast, where two tech veterans from Google explore the cutting edge of technology without the hype. Jordan, who has a rich background as a tech industry veteran, brings his insights from his time at Google, discussing everything from internal tech industry dynamics to the intricacies of podcasting technology.

We delve into Jordan's journey into podcasting, the intersection of AI and tech, and how emerging technologies impact podcast production. You'll learn about the unexpected challenges within tech giants like Google, how podcasting can benefit from smarter data analytics, and Jordan's vision for the future of podcasting tech.

This episode is a must for any podcaster or tech enthusiast who wants to understand the deeper workings of the tech industry and improve their podcasting strategy.

IN THIS EPISODE, WE COVER:

• Jordan’s Journey into Podcasting: Mathew and Jordan discuss the origins of their podcasting venture, sparked by an onslaught of tech hype and the need for authentic commentary. (00:01:24) 
• Cutting Through the Tech Hype: Learn how Jordan and his cohost use their extensive tech backgrounds to remove the noise around tech innovations and focus on the real implications. (00:04:06) 
• Privacy and Perception: Jordan explains the reality behind tech giants' data management practices, debunking common myths about privacy and data tracking. (00:08:44) 
• Podcasting's Data Dilemma: Mathew and Jordan explore the current challenges in understanding podcast audience metrics and how this might evolve. (00:11:14) 
• The Fragmented Tech Paths of Google: A deep dive into Google’s missed opportunities in podcasting, its internal bureaucracy, and the complexities of their strategic decisions. (00:19:05) 

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to San Jose, California, we are chatting with Jordan Thibodeau. He is the

cohost of the SBIC podcast. It's two tech

industry veterans, from Google breaking down the latest in

technology. Jordan, thank you so much for joining us today. Hey. Thank you for having

me here. I appreciate it. So, I mean, obviously, we're talking

about technology. As you and I are recording, CES is happening or is just

wrapping up. So definitely wanna talk about that and some of the trends that you're

seeing in technology overall, but also specifically any tech in the podcasting

space that has you interested, you know, given the name of the show. But

tell us, how did you first decide to get into

podcasting and and launch the show? That's a good point. You know, best

part of the show is tech and comedy, so I haven't watched very much the

CES. So failing to do my job. I think,

one aspect of what's going on in tech is there's just so much coming at

people. That's hard to figure out, like, what is actually the, signal from the

noise. And, me and my cohost, we

used to work at Google together. And when you're inside working in a

corporation, you see how the sausage making process works,

but then externally, you get to hear people commenting on on on

things. And a lot of the commentary is not that good.

And but you have a very you're getting paid very well

your tech job, but you take a valve silence because you don't wanna be one

of those dastardly leakers. Those people are not good.

So you can't say anything. So, eventually, as time went on, me and my cohost,

we moved around with different jobs. And then

chat GPT happened, which was, like, a magical moment. And it was

the first time it felt like since the launching of the Internet,

maybe CRISPR, where real novel technology was coming out. It made

us wonder, like, what what were we doing for the last ten ten years, like,

releasing chat apps and releasing other social media apps that were

crap like Google plus. Oh god. So

I'd I see. Take that one to the grave. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk

to you about Google and podcasting. Oh, boy. Okay. So I I remember

when I was at Google for an acquisition, I was helping Google's

chat team do an acquisition. And while I was working the deal,

they launched four chat apps on the same day. It was

like, Aloe, Duo, and some of their crap. And people

at my house were asking me, like, so can you explain the differences? I'm

like, knowing less, I have no idea what we're doing

right now. So, it it was just it was interesting

times. So we me and my buddy,

my coach, Joe Joe, we have we'd have barbecue every two weeks,

and, you know, we eat ribs together. We go way back.

Dead giveaway. Sorry. I'm trying to play. You know, the guy who who the the

black dude when they found the, the missing white girl,

and the guy found her? Oh, god. I have I have this

I have this on hold. Give me one second. Dead giveaway. You

wanna go you wanna go, Charles Ramsey, original dead

giveaway guy. Yeah. Yeah. I I actually have in in our

soundboard from Riverside, I have him saying dead giveaway. I use it for, like,

good areas. Anyways, so one of his one of his quotes is we eat ribs

together, and barbecue, and we listen to salsa music.

So me and Joe have barbecue every two weeks. And,

after we we eat, I talked to some of my homies, and they would say,

you know, be great to hear what you guys were talking about. And I'm like,

well, I guess we should, like, do a podcast. And back in

2016, Joe was saying we should do a podcast. I was like, ah, no one's

gonna listen to this garbage. So, eventually, we start the podcast,

and we work a breath a breath of fresh air because

when everyone was talking about this AI hype of, like, oh, like, when Chechnya came

out, it's gonna be sentience. Sentient. It's gonna kill us

all. It's gonna take all the jobs. Or people saying, it's

worthless. I I, tried to ask her for the meaning of life, and they didn't

give me an answer. And we're like, hold on. Like, there's a lot of in

between space here that we think me and Joe can fill. Like, yeah. It's not

gonna destroy society, and no one's gonna give the nuclear launch codes. But at the

same time, I know that I'm using it at work at at

Salesforce to take very long too long didn't read executive

emails and synthesizing it down to, like, okay. What do I what should I know

here? Or helping me take, what I wanna

be curtain to the point to someone who I'm I'm mad at at work, going

to it and saying, hey. Can you actually make this nicer and fluffier so I

don't get fired? So there is value here. So our show is focusing on, like,

just taking the hype out of tech, but also including real talk about how the

sauce making process work inside tech companies. Because people from outside just say

basically see, like, you know, oh, everyone's so like, they see the comms messaging and,

like, Google hires the smartest people, and we're so nice to each other and

blah blah blah. But we were inside these big tech companies, it's just like a

free for all, and no one really knows what's going on. So,

we started the podcast just help noobs and folks learn about

what's going on tech, but also include some comedy. We won't be at the boring,

like, welcome to the next Freedom podcast. And today, I'm gonna talk

about how I want to service Elon's crank and how,

I always love Elon. And I'm gonna talk about how much I love Elon to

Sam Altman, and it's gonna be very awkward. So take your pens and paper

out, and get ready to take notes. Yes. You know, it's it's funny you

talk about how people perceive the tech industry and then what it's really like on

the inside. I worked in media for a very long time and, you know, you

obviously hear a lot of stuff about, well, the media is doing this and the

media is doing that. It's like, you think the media is that organized, you are

out of your mind. Right? Like, it is just, you know, I I

appreciate a good conspiracy theory, but there has to be some some

plausibility to it, and there just isn't in that case. So We all like

ancient aliens. You know? Yeah. Sweat But no. No.

It's it's just it's just people. Right? People make mistakes. People do things. And, yeah,

you could piece it together and frame it and shape it however you want to

make, you know, support your message, but it's just people. And

on the whole, people are good, but, you know, there's a lot of people who

just suck, and a lot of them work, at various industries including ours. True.

It's like it's like Occam's razor, basically. There's another wonderful

member of our community who's like his name is Maj. Super smart. He's one of

those those freaks of nature who knows he's really good with a pen, but

also he's a computer science major. So he can do both things really well. And

then he has a good heart. He's a really good person. But there's another there's

a different type of Occam phrases for for politics where basically says, like, it's not

the conspiracy of the one world behind their pulling on the the strings. It's

usually either, bureaucracy,

red tape, miscommunication that leads to some of these

failures. And the same thing for some of these tech companies. You always hear stories

of, you know, Google's monitoring me or of a law. It's like,

no. Actually, no one cares about your data. We actually have more to

lose monitoring you because you do a class action lawsuit, that

we would gain knowing about your grandmother's secret sticker duel recipe.

To be fair, those snickerdoodles are pretty damn awesome. They might be. And listen, I

will go to the grave. You will never convince me otherwise that Facebook isn't listening

to me because I will talk about the most obscure crap. And then next time

I open up Facebook, I've got an ad with something related to that. So Okay.

So that's a Facebook tracking pixel, and that's another I can't go

side note real quick. So, Facebook tracking pixel is on is is

on your cell phone or you've you don't even have to maybe launch

the app. It could the app could just be on your cell phone and it's

still tracking pixels and it's still monitoring in some regard or either the

websites you're on. And so I'll just go type some random things in here about

a mattress and also on my Facebook feed, it will show you the mattress. Now

I Which that I understand. Yeah. But I didn't type anything. I just

said something, and now you're in my phone. Exactly. And then

another thing too is, it's not my

area expertise. But when the FBI wants to

track down terrorists or whatnot, they'll go to Facebook and be like, hey.

This terrorist has a friend who's on this phone. We're

trying to get to this this terrorist, though. Can you help us out? And Facebook

has enough good enough data that they can basically track just based upon the per

that person's IP, what other IPs are in the area, what

routers they were going through, and then go back to the FBI and be like,

here is the person you're looking for plus all their homies they were connected, and

here's all the cities they went through, and they didn't even open the app.

So it's it's dead. I'm closing down my computer right now.

No. I enough for everybody. If you think about George Orwell's nineteen eighty

four, I mean, it's it's it's impossible in this day and age

that you're not being tracked in some form. You know? And I'm not justifying

it. Like, oh, this is a psy ops actually. He actually stole the payroll for

Google, and he's trying to get everyone used to this stuff. But it's just it's

a it's a it's a fact of life in this day and age. But, anyways

Well yeah. And and the amazing thing about 1984 is we are happily handing

over a lot of that information. Right? We are posting about it. We're filling out

forms. We're, you know, competing in those little challenges and games and all that stuff.

We're basically just telling the algorithms, here's what you need to know about

me. Enjoy. Exactly. Now I'm gonna get crucified because we, we

have a great audience, and we have a lot of privacy folks here who I

love and respect, and they're gonna crucify me for this. But I look at it

always as a give and take of, okay, I give you some of my

data, but so long as you can give me back more value for what I've

given you, then I will be okay in some regards. Like, for instance, like,

ChatGPT, if you have an enterprise version of it, it's not trading

off your data. But if you give ChatGPT more information about you,

it will start collecting memories on you so that when you give it a request,

it will say like, oh, Matthew Passi, you're running your podcast and whatnot. I

saw your request, but also I wanna put in additional context about your unique

situation so you get a really robust answer or response.

And for me, when I use ChatGPT, it's doing it more and more. I'm like,

hey. This is this is fantastic. It's one though they are taking your

information and just giving you, mattress ads all day

long, or they are not adding any value. You're getting very

creepy, where you're like, okay. Now you you kind of you you've crossed the line

here. We need to, you know, dial this thing back. So, anyways So,

I'm so glad you brought you know, I'm glad you you kinda took us in

this direction. I wasn't planning on having this conversation, but I think it'll be interesting

with you. You know, one of the the shortcomings of podcasting overall

is the lack of data, is the lack of information.

Right? We know we have downloads. We we're getting a little bit better with where

they're coming from, what kind of devices, but, where, like, it

is like the number one question I always got when I was, consulting with

clients and now working with podcasters. Everyone wants to know, how do I know who

my listeners are? And we have very little information on that.

Do you think that can change, or do you think there's any appetite for that

to change in the tech space? That is a really good question. I

gosh. I

I look at for for myself as for when you first start in

podcasting, I'm I'm still starting out. This is, like, year one I've been doing

a full time, so I'm I'm a complete noob. And a lot of people, like,

ask me, like, are you looking at your metrics? Do you look at this and

that and this? And I say, well, yeah. I can go on YouTube because I

do YouTube is where I post my podcast, and I also cross post it onto,

Spotify. And YouTube will tell me metric of people

who open up the video and then how long they stay. And that's great.

And I can see spikes sometimes of, like, okay. Yeah. I really shouldn't have told

people that we're gonna change this to a mukbang podcast and start eating pizza in

front of them, burping. Probably not a good idea because retention went down. But other

than that, like, there's random spikes in every different direction. So I could sit there

forever and just, like, try to overanalyze this point

to the point that I get into my head that when I'm having an interview

with Matthew, I'm thinking of, okay. I gotta say the most interesting perfect thing

possible so I can get my retention spike going. So there's one thing about psych

Let me bring the rate back up. Exactly. So I think the second and the

second thing is, I think a lot of it is,

will will we ever get to that level of information? We'll get more data and

and metrics on people and folks. I'm sure. In some in some regard.

But, I think there's an aspect of people like their anonymity of I'm

listening to a show, but I also don't wanna give my whole entire profile who

I am. I probably happens to you, but I've had it happen to me on

LinkedIn a lot. People will message me on the side, be like, I saw your

last post. It was really, really good, But I can't like it because then my

management chain is gonna see it. So on the side, I'm just gonna give you

a thumbs up. And I'm like, thanks, pussy sweat, whatever.

That's why that's why I'm bugging I'm bugging LinkedIn. Okay. Hey.

So LinkedIn needs to do, they need to make it so that okay. Why

is blind popular? I'm gonna get back to your question. I'm sorry. Blind's popular because

I answered my I asked my own question, answered my own question. I'm terrible. That's

why you shouldn't have podcast host on this show. Blind's

great because it's anonymity, because you can just ask a question and no one knows

who your background is. And so you can ask, I need a price check on

my comp, having a tough issue with my manager, like, what's going on here and

things like that. But the issue with blind is you don't really know who's on

the back side asking the question or answering the question. You're trusting blind that

these are real people. But we know, and I have friends who worked for

Reddit do write fake anonymous posts that are super

juicy for engagement bait to get people to be like, oh, do you see a

person said I read it? Am I the asshole for not allowing my mother to,

hold my newborn baby or something? You know? So you don't really know.

Well, LinkedIn will be great is what if you can set it to is people

who are my first, second, third, third degree connections. I can

post a question anonymously, and only they can answer,

and they can decide if they wanna answer anonymously too. And

what that allows me to know is, well, if I'm getting an anonymous response on

my a question, it's someone I've actually genuinely connected to on LinkedIn who

I know, which is better than me going on blind because I don't know who

the hell is out there. And I could be asking this question anonymously to all

Googlers. So I know that my MyKey has a response from Googlers who are in

the know but can't actually tell me because they're worried about their job or whatnot.

Then you get the ability. And people say, well, what about you people gonna start

trolling you? If someone trolls you anonymously, click do not

allow this person to respond anonymously to my post going forward. And so that would

allow people then to then have a more robust conversation LinkedIn, and it would become

just a constant corporate crap you see twenty four seven of, like,

I love my manager. Agree? Like, it's stupid crap. You wanna have real

talk. And people might mention and say, hey, well, like, this is not important.

Well, if it is not important, why do corporations every year do anonymous

feedback surveys for all their employees? Because they wanna hear real talk.

Why do corporations also do anonymous surveys to other corporations

asking about how much are you paying your employees so then they know

what how to charge how to pay their employees.

So imagine how powerful it'd be people to go on LinkedIn and be like, hey.

I just got an offer. My employer decided to give me a promo, but I'm

giving you 10% bump. For people who are level six at this role, what's your

what's your pay bump what's your pay right now? So then it would give empower

people to do that. Or when people wanna talk about dicey subjects, I think I'm

getting sexually harassed in this issue, blah blah blah. Can I get some advice on

what my options are here? Or I'm getting put in a performance improvement plan right

now. Here's the situation, like, what do you think I should do? And so anyways,

sorry. That was my that's my I'm always running that one. But let's go back

to your original question about, getting more data and whatnot. I think,

Annette, there's gonna be anonymity. People are gonna be

anonymous here. They like to listen. They they don't like to give all their information.

So the next question is when how can I learn more about my audience? I

think it's important that you form a community as much as possible. Get into YouTube

comments. You're gonna see trolls in there. Always trolls. I got a troll comment

today. It was like, oh, the show's still on the air. You suck. And then

I clicked that person's profile. He has one video, one view. And I'm like, I

was gonna if I didn't say anything, you'll be a jerk. But then, same time,

I got a comment, got a super chat for $15. And I was like, hey.

That's great. Thank you. I appreciate it. But what's important is you gotta get in

those comments because you're gonna find some really great comments on people, and you're gonna

be able to learn more about them and build a sense of community with them

by responding to your comments and being sincere about and what I like

doing is there's an app called, well, two things you do. You could use YouTube

Studio, and you can go through your comments and use your Android or

iPhone device iPhone if you're a tool, best Android, real men, real people

represent. You know what I mean? You probably have iPhone. I know. You're like, oh,

blue dot blue dot gringo. I'm better than you, me, Steve John.

Me. But anyways, what you can do is you can use YouTube

studio, see the comments, and you can just use your audio feature

in your phone and just do voice to text and respond to people quickly.

And by doing that, you're gonna learn about what they like about your videos or

what they don't like about your videos. Or in your videos, you can say is,

hey. And don't make sure to comment about your comment about this podcast. And what

did you think? What did you like? What didn't you like or whatnot? So then

you could hear from people of, like, certain aspects they really like and pop about

your video, and then you can incorporate that into how you do

stuff. So for instance, we would do research reviews every now

and then, and I started asking people, like, do you like this research stuff? And

people were like, yeah. So overwhelmingly. So we start incorporating into our podcast. Or people

started saying we need to start incorporating more comedy. And so that's how we were

getting kind of signal in the early days. But as far as now, it's like

you mentioned, getting to, like, the here's a master data sheet of everyone who's

listening and what's good and what you should say. I think we're we're quite a

ways away from that, but also I don't think it's ever been a perfectly materialized

in that way. So That's fair. Well and and I love the fact that you

talk about how important to have a community. So many podcasters think, I'm on the

microphone. I've got the megaphone. I'm talking to my audience. Whereas

the best podcasters, the one who do this really, really well, most

of them are listening to their audience as well. And, you know, community

is a great way to do it. I wanna go back to the very beginning

of the conversation, we talked about Google and podcasting. And years

ago, before Spotify got into the game, you know, it was really just

dominated by Apple and a couple of independent apps. And it

boggled my mind that Google wasn't trying

to have better inroads into podcasting.

Right? First, it was on the Google Play Store, which is convoluted. Then

we had Google Podcasts, which actually I thought was a pretty good product and the

information they were giving podcasts was pretty good. Then they shut that down. Now they're

moving it over to Google Music and to over to YouTube. But, you know,

why didn't why didn't Google just replicate the

YouTube model and strip out video and

own the podcasting space between searchability,

their advertising ability, their ability to deliver media and

track that. I mean, they could have blown everybody out of

the water so quickly if they had, if they had really taken,

you know, a real deep look into it.

Let's do a quick moment of silence for all the dead Google products. We have

about 296 here. I'll hold the time. Five seconds.

Thank you. I appreciate that. So

amen. Preach. If you're if they're passing the collection till right now at church, I'll

be putting a hundred dollars in there for what you had to say. A lot

of it is, I hate there's a guy who

wrote a book called From Good to Great, and actually, a lot of the stuff

in his book actually didn't play out well, but he said, companies

don't die from lack of opportunity. They die from indigestion trying to

eat so many things at once, and they choke to death and die. And so

with Google, there is just so many different things they could be doing at the

company. But internally, all decisions come down to

a few VPs or they're the CEO, and there's only so many things you can

chase. And then there's a feedback loop of, okay. You

get an idea approved, but each time you wanna iterate on a product or idea,

it's connected to another product. So they need sign up for their VPs. So it

slows the iteration loop down. Whereas other companies like Spotify can

just go all in on streaming and what they wanna do because they're just focused

on that one mission. And so there were p PMs

inside of Google saying what you were saying, but they didn't have the right

political capital or their other priorities going on. One of my first

acquisitions at Google back in 2014 was a company called Songza. And what Songza

did was Songza? Yeah. Right? Elias Roman was a CEO.

Great human being. Side note. Everyone who's on Twitter,

the CEOs always talk about how great they are to their employees on blah blah

blah. That only matters when there's actually money on the line

because once a term sheet comes out, term sheet means when we go to acquire

a company, it's kinda similar when you go buy a house or something. You have

very expensive $6,000,000 chanting in San Francisco that you want

that he has poop everywhere and whatnot. But anyways, you try to apply you try

to put an offer on that thing, with, like, the the the poop and everything

over there. And this is a call, like, a purchase agreement. And the same thing

is called a letter of intent in m and a. When the purchase agreement says

letter of intent comes over, it's from us in the m and a side, and

we say how much we're gonna buy your company for. Now there are

employees there are CEOs who will go on Twitter and say, I take care of

my employees. They're great. And then we slide over letter of intent, and they'll

say, actually, I don't want these employees getting any money from

this. I don't want their equity vesting. F them, f this, and blah blah blah.

Elias Roman was a type of, CEO who actually backed his employees

and actually cared about them, and he built a really good company called Songza. Now

Songza, what they did was, they focused on

hiring all of these temporary employees who were, masters in certain music

genres to curate playlist manually of different types of hip hop

and rock and things like that. And so we acquired them, and then

we integrated that into Google Play Music. And Google Play Music

was doing pretty decently for a while, but then Susan Wojcicki, rest in

peace, great person. She was the one who set she was the one who decided

that Google should buy YouTube. She they launched

YouTube Music. And so people at the company are like, wait a minute. We

have Google Play Music, then we have YouTube Music. Like, what's what's

going on here? So left hand wasn't talking to right hand, but it kinda underscores

your other your other point of just there's so much opportunity. There's all these

different people inside the company trying to run their own product roadmaps and get

power and control enough to get their message going. So eventually, after

years of work, it all consolidated into into

YouTube music. But then we had this podcast thing called the YouTube, the

Google podcasting that came about, and eventually that got deprecated. And I think

the reason why that got deprecated is because YouTube music is like, no. We're gonna

be the future of how this thing works, and having these two separate teams doesn't

make sense. So going back to, like, why Google wasn't

able to do it, I would say one is just, the company is becoming too

big. Two, there's just too much opportunity, to get too much

opportunity out there. And then three, internal bureaucracy prevents them from getting

these just nailing these easy opportunities.

And then four, what makes things tough is there's also the revenue model. You're

probably wondering right now, do you use perplexity at all, for AI

search? Okay. Or do you use chat gbt search? Yeah.

Okay. It's pretty I don't know if what what are your thoughts on ChatGPT search

compared to Google search? Oh, sorry. Search. No. I don't use it for search. I

use it for just, you know, random tasks, you know, help me with this, clean

up this, do that for search. I I still just Google everything. And I honestly

usually ignore the first AI response I got. I got homework for you.

I want you to either use chat GPT search. When you open chat GPT, you'll

see a little world world icon in the chat box. Click that,

and it basically is an AI powered search. So instead of it set set

getting 10 blue links, it will summarize the links and give you an answer,

and will do research for you. I use it for researching things and whatnot.

Google could integrate something like that, which is a thousand x

better than basic Google search. But if they do that, they're going to

cannibalize their existing revenue, and that's gonna hurt a business model. So

that's another reason that what gets in the way of Google iterating and then launching

new products is they have those four concerns that I mentioned. So it's a

long winded answer. Hope it made sense. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Like and

subscribe to the show. It's great. Well, I I doubt anybody

who was tuning into this episode thought they were getting quite this kind of an

education on technology and how, you know, large tech companies

like Facebook and Google work, but it is fascinating. As a reminder, everybody, we

are chatting with Jordan Thibodeau, cohost of the SVIC

podcast. Of course, you wanna check it out, we'll have a link to it, in

the show notes. We can find it very easily on YouTube if you, Google

that. Before we let you go, we ask everybody the same questions, and I'll be

very curious about your answers because of the conversation that we've had so far.

So the the first thing I wanna know is you've only

been doing this for a year. I imagine you've been listening to podcast for a

little bit more. Is there anything about podcasting

could be producing content, distributing content, consuming content,

or is there something like you're like, god. I wish podcasting did blank.

Oh, great. Great, great question. When I

was at Google, I used to work for Google's YouTube channel, and I worked for

the talks program. And so all I have to do is just get great

speakers, prepare questions, use the communities, help me get questions,

and then ask. And then there was a whole editing team, recording team

that handled all of the work. And it was, like, the greatest thing ever because

I could focus on what I was good at is finding the right people, getting

them on, get channeling the community's questions, and shutting

up during the interview and just letting the person cook. And so I was able

to get Sebastian Junger on there, Tim Ferris on there, Ray Dalio, Annie

Duke, Susan Wojcicki for or Anne Wojcicki from twenty

three and me. Just a lot of great people in the show. And then when

I started this podcast, I was like, oh, wait a minute. I'm bootstrapping

this, and I guess I'm now the editing team, but I got all their crap

work in the back end. And there's just so much just,

editing crap and box checking that you have to do in the back end just

to get the content out. And I feel like it's a big miss from YouTube

and Spotify and some of these editing software packages for them not making

it easier to get podcast content out there. And right now, people say the

solve is either go hire someone. It's like, well, with your check,

I don't got that money right now. I gotta you know? Other solution is like,

oh, you just spend more time editing. But it's but here's the thing.

I've seen a lot of like, there's just I feel a lot of sketch

podcast. I don't do any I'm in a sketch podcast. I'm in the back I'm

in the meth lab right now. And I've had videos where I haven't made a

good YouTube thumbnail. The background was turned to like a like

a a Chernobyl disaster site, and I ended up getting, like, 30,000 views

and 300 subs. I didn't do crap. And so,

I think I wish one just the

editing process, all the operational back end craft work will be improved for

podcast to make it easier. So people who are podcasters can focus on just getting

their stories out there. Because there's so many people who have good stories, but the

technology just is not fully there yet to allow them to

get those stories out and allow them to focus on what they do best, either

getting stories or getting right people on their show. That's, I love that answer.

I mean, we definitely have, I mean, from when I started doing this, the tools

have improved dramatically and greatly and, you know, there's a lot of AI supported

tools that will, you know, cut corners in certain places and different editors that will

kinda make it faster to script and Riverside is a really good editing tool as

well for stuff like that. But, yeah, it it still requires, you

know, piecing together a couple of different tools and even with that

assistance, there's still a lot that goes into it. So, I I

really I really, really like that answer. Is there any tech on

your wish list that you're hoping for, like a microphone, a camera, a

piece of software, something that either exists that you haven't bought yet or

something that you're like, god. I wish somebody would invent a blank to make my

life easier. I mean, I guess your prior answer kinda answered that, but

is there anything else in mind? So I will say if you're doing podcasting,

shout out to Riverside. They have one of the best we're not getting paid for

this, but they have a really good customer service team. It's probably the easiest place

to get started for either video podcast or audio podcast.

I try to influence a product roadmap and make and make requests on the WhatsApp

group. That's how we found each other. And thank you for reaching out to me.

If you'll be on this, appreciate it. Kendall's great, by the way, at responding to

all those. She's she's amazing. She's really good. So they're one love to that

team. I what I really want is

I started the podcast because we were really interested in talking about tech and AI,

and I really want computer use agents to improve so that then,

I can have an agent that can can connect different pieces of

software and do all the clicking and manual work in the in the back end.

Like, do you, upload videos to YouTube for your podcast? Okay.

How many times have you clicked the disclaimer of, like, no, this is not pornography.

No. This is not hate speech. Yes. Put monetization, accept. You know, every time you

put the you know, if I have an AI agent that could just do that

for me, I can offload that, just automate that. That would that's what

I want. And I've I'm I'm praying that this is the year because there's a

company called, Cohere that had their own AI agent. Another

company called, oh, crap. I'm bringing the name right

now. They created their own AI agent, and I was able to get it to

upload YouTube Shorts from my computer into YouTube

and have them run. But here's the thing, it would do it once correctly

out of 20 times. So I I can't does not it doesn't work.

It's because the underlying agent, the foundation model is

not there yet. And they're making improvements now, and I'm hoping that this is a

year where I can at least say, okay. Can you do this correctly 85, 90

percent of the time? So I can offload some work, and there we go. So

that's the thing I want. I want a computer use AI agent that can help

me put together these various software tools that I'm using that requires no code

and can just serve as my low level assistant editor and just go,

assistant productions person. If anybody if anybody listening out there can do

that kind of stuff, I'm sure there's some, investment dollars to, to help you

get it done, help you, get across the finish line. Yep. Alright.

Last question. Is there another podcast or two that you listen to, you subscribe

to that, you know, when they drop a new episode, whatever it is you're

listening to, you're gonna stop, check that out, or you're just you're never gonna let

one of their new episodes get past you. Oh, that's a really good question.

Yeah. That's a good question. I I listen to various podcasts, but I got when

I was when I was a kid. I guess I used to used to

listen to Tim Ferriss podcast a lot. And then as I grew older,

now I find myself listening to more audiobooks. And then when I do listen to

I do listen to podcast, but it's more of work focus. So I do

reaction videos to either Sam Altman's on whatever podcast.

I, what So it's a lot of it's a lot of guest centric,

listening? Yeah. I'll listen to Kill Tony when it comes out when I have time.

He's for I like, like, comedy. And then, Shane Gilles has

some good stuff I'll listen to. Oh my god. Last weekend

last weekend podcast with, for his name. He has a mullet. He's from New

Orleans. Theo Von.

Theo Von has a podcast, I'll I'll listen to it. And,

what I like about his podcast is he stays in his lane of comedy.

He won't go on there and just be like, okay. Now let's go talk about,

like, why you shouldn't do vaccines and stuff like that. He he knows, like, where

he's supposed to be. I also for people who are new, who are listening,

setting up, I always it's the cliche advice of just get

started with any any crap technology you have. If you want inspiration,

go over to MKHV's YouTube and then click

like, sort his videos from the very beginning. And his first video is, like, him

at, like, 10 years old, and he's, like, using a flip phone, like, re

recording, and everything's crap, but he started. And

what's important is you just get something out there and

then focus on what you can improve from that last

video. Don't focus on all my views or my subs or

someone's mad at me or, you know, if someone else's product is beautiful.

No. Look at your last video and say, like, what can I improve? Extra points

is get the transcript from your last video, put in the chat GPT and

say, what can I improve from this interview? And chat GPT will give you some

recommendations on what you can improve from your your interview. And then do that step

by step. Don't even spend money on buying equipment. If you can just

use what's on what you have, even if it's like your your integrated

laptop, camera, whatnot, just use that. And then if you get super

chats or donations, then use some of that money to buy pieces of equipment, but

buy cheap stuff. This is a $50 microphone. I have a depth

depth sec camera that's, like, maybe a hundred dollars or so.

I have a, you know, that light that has this it's a light, but it

has the cone on it. I don't know what the hell they're called. It's like

I should cure. Okay. I have

this light box for, like, four forty five bucks,

and then I have, like, a my I have, like, my dual monitors.

But all this is, like, kind of just put together, like, bit

bit by bit in my headphones. So keep everything cheap because

everyone thinks, like, when you start up, it's gonna be, oh, it's gonna be success.

I'm gonna go it's not that way. You just grind you need to grind stuff

out. And if you're constantly out laying cash, it's gonna be eventually, you're

gonna get the call from the wife, like, what the hell is going on here?

I have kids. I have kids to raise here. Like, with the You

you must be listening to my phone because I give out this exact advice all

the times when I was consulting clients and doing audits and, you know, just going

out of the podcast and talking about the space, like, just verbatim. So I I

love that advice. I love the energy. I love the spirit. I love what you

guys are doing. Once again, it's the SVIC podcast. Co host, Jordan

Thibodeau, joining us today. Thank you so much. Really enjoyed

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