Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) / Fortune & Glory #2

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In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid, a

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behemoth the size of Texas, hurtles relentlessly toward Earth, the

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world braces for an apocalyptic end.

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Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the Earth.

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Here the chosen gather.

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Their purpose clear to preserve the very soul of our civilization, the 35 and 70

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millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion, and the dreams of

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generations past these masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit.

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Carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines, the bunker.

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Perhaps there was room for more for friends and family yearning for

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salvation, but sacrifices must be made.

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The moving nerd stand united the keepers of a flame promising

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of future where the art of storytelling, endurance transcending

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the boundaries of time and space.

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God help us all.

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I'm Nathan Shure and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens, Brianna

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Butterworth, Sam Cole, and joining us as our special guest today is film and

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television producer, Anthony Ambrosino.

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Anthony Ambrosino is a Rhode Island based producer and director of film,

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television, and commercial projects.

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His films have premiered at some of the industry's top festivals, including

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the Toronto Film Festival and the Los Angeles Film Festival, among all Others

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in have garnered several awards while receiving worldwide distribution, both

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theatrically and through companies such as IFC Showtime Networks and HBO.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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for having me.

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And thank you for battling through that long bio.

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Yeah.

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Andy, you sent me like this huge thing, like I was like,

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nobody's ever done this before.

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And I guess I'll just read all this.

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No, that's really great.

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I know I'm really happy that you're joining us today, Anthony.

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I, we have known each other going back, I think to like 2008 and we've been friends

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a long time and I'm just really happy that you're joining us and I've respected

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you for a long time in this industry.

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You've done so much, really do look up to you as you've done so many projects that

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I Just want to say that right off the top.

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So

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I appreciate that.

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I think very highly of you and your work as well, sir.

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So I just wanted to say and the reason we're all here is we're here

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to discuss the 1993 film judgment night, starring Emilio Estevez.

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And it's a thrill to be here.

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I've always wanted to talk about this sleeper action hit.

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Dennis Leary is a great villain.

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So this is going to be a great conversation guys.

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And later in the night, Hoopa Stank will be joining us.

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I just

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lost all your listeners.

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But I'm impressed with everyone's ability to book

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all this talent without me.

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So

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anyways, talent in quotes anyways, so I, you know what I haven't done this

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week is it's been a very busy week.

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I don't have any creative question for our co hosts or guests this week.

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No, because it's been a busy week.

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It's been a week, it's been a week and I'm not gonna get into it, but we're gonna

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get right into our discussion and a review of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

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But before we do that, I just, I want to just, Anthony's here for

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a reason because we're, I think of similar vintages, I'll just say.

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And I just knew.

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That this was going to be a film that I think we have probably

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had a very similar experience.

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Cause I, cause we probably grew up with this movie and I had, and

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I have a feeling that you have a lot to say about this as do I.

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But I want to know, just Anthony, tell us a little bit about yourself and Who

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you are, what you do, and maybe a little bit about your relationship to this movie

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before, without really giving too much away about your review of this, but.

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Sure, I just asked three questions in once there.

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I'll do my best.

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You gave me like a bio, Anthony Biolength question.

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Child of the 80s I love the classics as I know you do as well.

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I.

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Like all genres of film so obscure French films to 90s rom coms.

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I don't care.

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I like them all.

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There's something to be found in every niche.

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My relationship to Temple of Doom is it was the first

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Indie film I saw in a theater.

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My uncle took me.

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You've already spoiled one of the questions.

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I have a special place in my heart for Temple of Doom.

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Okay.

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I'll save the rest of it.

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I have a lot.

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I have a fire hose of information I want to

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Okay.

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I did not know that was the first one you saw in the theater.

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That's pretty epic.

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Yeah.

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Anthony, you've already answered my, cause I, what I have is a

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segment here called four questions, which I ask all of our guests here.

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And it's just so that the audience can get a little familiar with who you are.

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You've already answered the first question.

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No,

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it's not the first film I saw in a theater.

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It's the first Indiana Jones film I saw in a theater.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm sorry.

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I misunderstood.

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Let me ask you then, cause I want to get to our four questions here.

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This is the first movie you remember seeing in the theater.

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I believe it was E.

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T.

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two years prior to this.

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And I have vague memories of being terrified.

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And probably a lot more memories of hiding in the seat or in my mother's lap.

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Then the movie itself, so maybe it's probably 50 50 but I saw E.

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T., it was wonderful and terrifying.

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Yeah it's scary.

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It is, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Incredible stuff,

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man.

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Yeah.

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And I didn't realize how scary it was until I showed it to my

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kids.

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Yes.

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That movie's incredible.

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It's my second, my favorite film Is Jaws, but E.

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T.

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Is number two.

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They're like, they're both in the same place, but they oscillate.

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I just, E.

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T.

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is incredible film.

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Anthony, what's it, what's the last movie that you watched?

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Paycheck?

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I'm doing my homework on this question.

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Paycheck?

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I

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can't believe you watched.

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I

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hope it is.

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Oh, does Temple of Doom count?

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I'd like to say besides Temple of Do, but you guess you could say that, but

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that was the last movie I watched as well,

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. Anthony: Yeah.

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I thought that was, given, sorry, yesterday.

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Yeah.

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Geez, I think it was Inside Out two.

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Okay.

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What'd you think it was?

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It was good.

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Yeah.

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Not as good

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as the first one, but it was fine.

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Yeah.

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I liked it.

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Yeah.

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It did its thing alright.

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If I see Inside Out 2 on streaming instead of theatrically, am

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I missing a grand experience, or will it perform just fine on streaming?

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It seems okay.

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It's fine.

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I took my kids.

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I had to

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see it theatrically with the kids, that makes sense.

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That's cool, though.

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It's a huge, it was a huge hit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I took my kids and my family to see it.

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They're all into their emotions.

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My oldest daughter very much relates to anxiety, so

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What is your Favorite movie if he had to say something right now today,

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and I know that's a hard question

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No, it's E.

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T.

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Okay, and I have a guilty pleasure favorite movie that we have seen the

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most in my life is better off dead.

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Oh, okay.

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Nice.

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So I've seen that hundreds of times.

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It's my guilty pleasure favorite movie, but E.

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T.

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is like my gun to my head.

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So I have not seen Better Off Dead, but a couple of weeks ago

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we watched on the show what's the director's name that did his follow up?

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One Crazy Summer.

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Yes, we watched One Crazy Summer,

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his follow up.

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That was pretty fun.

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What'd you think of that?

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If you haven't seen it.

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I love it, but Better Off Dead is a notch above, there's so

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much in common between the two, different characters, same tone, same

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everything, but yeah, both are good.

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A crazy plot parallels between One Crazy Summer and Summer Rental.

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The John Candy classic.

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I've heard that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they're both very, that'd be a great double feature.

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Alright, cool.

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Very cool.

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Anthony, what is a movie that you credit for turning you into a cinephile?

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Um, I would say more so than a cinephile, but that

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made me want to make movies.

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Would be Pulp Fiction.

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I saw Pulp Fiction six times in the theater.

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It revolutionized the way I looked at movies.

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I started looking into, I started thinking more about directors when that came out.

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And it's the movie that brought me into the movie world.

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It being more than just something to do on a Friday or Saturday night.

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It became

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its own Slice of life.

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So

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Great answers.

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Great answers.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So thank you.

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All right.

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So let's get into our discussion of Indiana Jones.

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I have a plot synopsis here.

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Intrepid archeologist.

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Indiana Jones on the trail of fortune and glory in old Shanghai is ricocheted

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into a dangerous adventure in India with his faithful companion, short round

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and nightclub singer, Willie Scott.

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Indy goes in search of the magical Sankara stone and uncovers an

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ancient evil, which threatens all who come into contact with it.

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And if for our people who can watch our podcast and he has his Sankara Stone.

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Thank you.

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Great prop there.

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And I'll just play a little bit of the trailer.

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If adventure has a name, it must be Indiana Jones.

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Dr.

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Jones found Noachi for me, and he's going to deliver him now.

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Say,

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who is this?

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Put the gun away, Sonny.

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You're in for it!

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It shocks me.

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I'm

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a scientist.

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And what sort of research would you do on

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me?

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Nocturnal activities.

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What position would I like to sleep in?

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Mating customs.

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So you're an authority in that area?

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Alright,

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little clip from the trailer.

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And Sam, you got some movie facts for us?

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Indeed I do, Nathan.

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Indeed I do.

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So let's see.

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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

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I think at one point it was called Temple of Death and they actually changed that.

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It's a 1984 American action adventure film directed by Steven Spielberg from

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a script by Willard, excuse me Willard Yuck and Gloria Katz, who actually

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worked with Lucas on American Graffiti.

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The original screenwriter, Lawrence Kasdan, actually turned this film down.

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And I don't know the story behind that.

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Maybe he found the material too dark or it wasn't interested

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or it was a scheduled thing.

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Yes, yeah.

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All

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of the

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above Douglas Lacombe is returning as a cinematographer edited,

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of course, by Spielberg's multiple times collaborator, Michael Kahn.

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Music by John Williams.

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And I must say personally, I love his score in this movie.

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This came out on May 23rd, 1984 in the United States.

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Its budget was 28 million, just over 28 million, and it

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grossed 333 million worldwide.

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So definitely a success.

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This actually Lucas did not want to deal with Nazis again in the second story, and

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so it was his idea to make this a prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark rather than a

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sequel, so this takes place a year before the events in Raiders and let's see now.

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PG 13 was created after this movie.

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If you can believe it, this movie was rated PG, which is hilarious

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to me because this movie is a hard PG 13 in modern times.

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Like hard PG 13.

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And so speaking of that, since

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you brought that up anyone here know what the first PG 13 movie was?

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I did this morning and I've already forgotten it.

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Okay.

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What is it, Anthony?

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Sam?

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I do not know off the top of my head, actually.

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The Patrick Swayze film, Red Dawn?

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No way.

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Yeah.

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That is a entertaining, slightly bizarre film.

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It's it's like that movie is like a right wingers dream.

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It's like guns fighting Russians in the mountains and like we're out

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in our own building fires anyway.

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Yeah.

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Off topic.

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But so to wrap it up.

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Yeah.

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So Lawrence Kasdan was out this time.

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PG 13 was created because of the movie, we just discussed that.

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And actually, one thing I found interesting was in the editing process

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Spielberg, when they watched the original cut, they thought it was

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too fast and too short, so Spielberg went and added three minutes in to

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slow the picture down a little bit.

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Which I will definitely discuss in my review, because

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I love the breakneck editing.

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Speed of this movie, just the way it moves.

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I love it.

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But and yeah, any other facts?

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That's the gist of what I got.

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I could keep breaking.

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I think it's also

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worth mentioning that in the middle of this filming, Harrison Ford got

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really, he injured his back and a lot of this movie is shot with a stunt double.

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And

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I think it's, I think it's really noticeable and how, and I

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think it really threw off the shooting schedule for this and that it feels

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like more chaotic because of that.

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He was out for I think three to six weeks had this controversial,

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new style operation performed on the like, herniated discs in the act.

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Papaya

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enzymes!

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Yeah, papaya enzymes.

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The stunt guy, Vic Armstrong, It, he, they were gone, he was gone

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for about I think three plus weeks, And it was in the third act scene.

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Where he's fighting the bad guy on the conveyor belt that goes into the wheel.

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Most of it's done in wide shots.

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In fact, when Kate Capshaw hands Indy, she's like, Here, hit him with this.

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That's totally the stuntman.

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It's wide.

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You can't see his face.

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And they went back, they got Inserts of Harrison Ford, but the most glaring

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part that I'll mention really quickly is when Indy is first imprisoned with

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Kee Hee Kwan and they're like in that kind of like human cage like floating

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up in the thing when Short round runs up to give Indy a hug It's like an

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over the shoulder shot and you can see the guy the back of his head and

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neck It is not Harrison Ford at all.

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And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

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It does not hurt the scene, but I'm just like, Nope, that is not him.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Speaking

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of that duo, if you had told me that in the year 2024 to put money on

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which one of them would have an Academy award, my money would not have been

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short

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round.

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Amazing.

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Yeah.

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Unbelievable.

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This is in Kiki Kwan and his future did in this feature debut, his first film.

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Temple of Doom, which I love.

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His intro's incredible, by the way.

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When he just shows up in the car, like, when I was a kid, I just,

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I was like, he was the coolest.

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I like, looked up to him, I was like, Wow, he's going on an adventure with Dr.

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Jones.

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This is awesome.

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I

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was just finally excited that my small boy prophecy was right.

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Oh, yeah.

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What's the small boy prophecy?

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Anthony, I had made a list last week because not only have I never

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seen the Indiana Jones movies, I managed to go my entire life with zero

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spoilers to the Indiana Jones movies.

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So I wrote a small list of what I thought were in them and I was convinced.

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I was like, I swore this, there was some like karate kid,

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small child, protégé situation.

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And I was like dumbfounded in Raiders when there was no children.

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I felt a little Specifically,

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this franchise included whips and small boys, I remember.

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Yeah, it did.

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Yeah.

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That came up.

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Yeah.

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And it does!

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And a

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funky hat.

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I also forgot to mention briefly, and Spielberg has said in many

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interviews that this is his, of his, I think, just referring to the original

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trilogy, his least favorite of his own indie films that he directed.

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And, uh, it's interesting that he had a comment in terms of

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the tone and the darkness.

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And both he and Lucas, we're going through either marital or relationship

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problems at the time, breakups.

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And it's just to quote Spielberg talking about the tone of temple of doom.

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He's we went too far.

Sam: 00:17:36

We out poltered poltergeist, which I love that.

Sam: 00:17:40

I love that.

Sam: 00:17:40

I love that quote.

Sam: 00:17:41

Yeah.

Sam: 00:17:41

Yeah.

Sam: 00:17:41

They were

Nathan: 00:17:42

in very dark places.

Anthony: 00:17:44

Did he say that it was his least favorite of the original trilogy?

Anthony: 00:17:48

Wait, did he say this previous?

Anthony: 00:17:50

Post 2009 or

Sam: 00:17:53

pre previous 2009.

Sam: 00:17:55

I think he said it after, but he doesn't really talk about Crystal Skull.

Sam: 00:17:58

Cause maybe he's yeah

Anthony: 00:17:59

curious.

Nathan: 00:18:00

I just want to throw in a few things about some of

Nathan: 00:18:03

the awards and box office here.

Nathan: 00:18:05

So this came out on May 23rd, 1984, went wide.

Nathan: 00:18:09

Then debuted at number one in the box office made 25 million that week.

Nathan: 00:18:14

Number two, that week was the natural made 6.

Nathan: 00:18:18

9 million in his third week of release.

Nathan: 00:18:20

Number three was breaking.

Nathan: 00:18:23

Remember break in number 4.

Nathan: 00:18:27

1 million in his fourth week of release number four.

Nathan: 00:18:29

And I think this is pretty, this is cool because the movie that

Nathan: 00:18:33

this movie is actually really a rip off of Raiders of the lost dark.

Nathan: 00:18:37

And this is romancing.

Nathan: 00:18:37

The stone was number four that week in its ninth week of release.

Nathan: 00:18:42

Formerly I love romancing

Sam: 00:18:44

the stone as well.

Sam: 00:18:45

That movie's awesome.

Nathan: 00:18:47

Number five this week was 16 candles.

Nathan: 00:18:50

2.

Nathan: 00:18:50

9 million.

Nathan: 00:18:52

Number six was Police Academy, 2.

Nathan: 00:18:54

8 million.

Nathan: 00:18:55

Number seven was Firestarter, 2.

Nathan: 00:18:57

4 million.

Nathan: 00:18:58

Number eight was Splash in his 12th week of release, 2.

Nathan: 00:19:02

1 million.

Nathan: 00:19:03

Number nine was Footloose in his 15th week of release, 1.

Nathan: 00:19:08

9

Trailer: 00:19:08

million.

Nathan: 00:19:09

I know.

Nathan: 00:19:11

And number 10, movie I really love, I know you do.

Nathan: 00:19:14

I think to Sam, we've talked about this, Greystoke, Legend of Tarzan.

Nathan: 00:19:19

Have we talked about this?

Nathan: 00:19:20

I don't think I've seen that movie.

Nathan: 00:19:22

Oh, maybe I'm thinking something else.

Nathan: 00:19:23

Maybe I'm thinking something else.

Nathan: 00:19:24

But I really do like that movie.

Nathan: 00:19:25

I saw that in the theater as well.

Nathan: 00:19:27

The box office

Bee: 00:19:28

has changed so much.

Bee: 00:19:29

Yeah, it has.

Anthony: 00:19:31

The quantity, there's so many films out now.

Anthony: 00:19:35

So it's,

Nathan: 00:19:35

This movie had two Academy Award nominations at one for best visual

Nathan: 00:19:41

effects, which I scratched my head about.

Nathan: 00:19:44

I wonder what it was up against, but it was also nominated

Nathan: 00:19:46

for best original score.

Nathan: 00:19:50

And yeah.

Nathan: 00:19:53

All right.

Nathan: 00:19:53

So let's get into this B since you have never seen this film before in your.

Bee: 00:20:01

No, never.

Nathan: 00:20:02

The virgin to this franchise.

Nathan: 00:20:04

Let's hear it.

Bee: 00:20:06

Sure.

Bee: 00:20:07

I didn't live up to Raiders for me.

Bee: 00:20:10

I think we can say that.

Bee: 00:20:12

Raiders was a perfect movie, I thought.

Bee: 00:20:15

And this just felt like we really fell off the wagon somewhere.

Bee: 00:20:18

I thought it was fun.

Bee: 00:20:19

Hey listen, this is just a fun action serial.

Bee: 00:20:21

You have this like, serialized James Bond y kind of character who just goes from

Bee: 00:20:26

adventure to adventure, and the best parts of that are great, and the bad parts of

Bee: 00:20:30

that are really highlighted in this movie.

Bee: 00:20:33

I'll start.

Bee: 00:20:34

I think some of the really fun stuff I thought the action

Bee: 00:20:37

was shot really well in this.

Bee: 00:20:39

I thought it was photographed beautifully, and some really big

Bee: 00:20:42

action scenes that were just fun.

Bee: 00:20:45

The kills were crazy, and I liked how dark this movie was.

Bee: 00:20:49

It wasn't a problem for me.

Bee: 00:20:51

I thought that was cool.

Bee: 00:20:53

Some of the dark parts of Raiders, I thought, were the most interesting and

Bee: 00:20:57

the most toothy, and gave some weight to some of these really amazing kills.

Bee: 00:21:02

I liked the sidekicks.

Bee: 00:21:04

I loved short round and I liked Willie too.

Bee: 00:21:06

She's crazy and annoying, but she's what a great every man to throw

Bee: 00:21:11

in the middle of there because yeah, what Indy's doing is crazy.

Bee: 00:21:15

That's insane.

Bee: 00:21:15

I like who would know how to handle that situation.

Bee: 00:21:18

So I like that they went.

Bee: 00:21:20

In completely the opposite direction.

Nathan: 00:21:22

You're officially on the record being pro Willie.

Bee: 00:21:24

I'm pro Willie.

Bee: 00:21:25

It's fine.

Bee: 00:21:26

It's fine.

Bee: 00:21:26

I just like that they didn't try to give us the same woman twice.

Bee: 00:21:30

Does their romance make any sense?

Bee: 00:21:32

No.

Bee: 00:21:33

Do I think it makes sense to hold that to a really rigorous standard for an

Bee: 00:21:37

80's action movie that's not about that?

Bee: 00:21:39

Also no.

Bee: 00:21:40

Who cares?

Bee: 00:21:42

That's not the point of it for me.

Bee: 00:21:43

Yeah, I thought that stuff, I thought the score was amazing.

Bee: 00:21:47

That was, I was happy to be listening to John Williams again.

Bee: 00:21:50

The problem with characters like this is when you stick them in locations

Bee: 00:21:55

that you treat as exotic as this.

Bee: 00:21:58

And the white savior trope that really jumps out.

Bee: 00:22:01

And it's right from the opening number all the way through.

Bee: 00:22:04

The Indian people in this movie are, they're either helpless or evil.

Bee: 00:22:07

I don't know.

Bee: 00:22:07

The whole time they need Indi to save them, which is that's

Bee: 00:22:12

this type of character, right?

Bee: 00:22:13

They go in somewhere and they save everything.

Bee: 00:22:15

And that's just the nature of it.

Bee: 00:22:19

It doesn't age well, it doesn't hold up super well.

Bee: 00:22:22

That's some of it was problematic.

Bee: 00:22:24

But, there was a lot of fun to be had in it.

Bee: 00:22:27

I do think, it's interesting that you were saying the pacing was so

Bee: 00:22:29

great, I thought it really dragged.

Bee: 00:22:31

We spent so much time in the temple, and in Raiders we were moving from incredible

Bee: 00:22:38

set piece to incredible set piece, to different countries, and it just felt

Bee: 00:22:42

like the movie had pace and scope and exploration, and this felt really narrow.

Bee: 00:22:48

to me.

Bee: 00:22:49

It was cool.

Bee: 00:22:51

The temple was interesting.

Bee: 00:22:52

There were a lot of dimensions to it, but we never really saw

Bee: 00:22:57

anything outside of that world.

Bee: 00:22:59

It ends really abruptly for me.

Bee: 00:23:01

So I thought the middle kind of sank.

Bee: 00:23:04

I don't know.

Bee: 00:23:04

It wasn't my favorite.

Bee: 00:23:05

I want to see the next one.

Nathan: 00:23:08

Okay.

Nathan: 00:23:09

What would you give this as a rating?

Nathan: 00:23:10

One to five?

Bee: 00:23:11

Three.

Nathan: 00:23:12

Three.

Nathan: 00:23:13

It's a three.

Nathan: 00:23:13

Okay.

Bee: 00:23:14

Yeah.

Bee: 00:23:15

So that was probably not very coherent.

Nathan: 00:23:18

No.

Nathan: 00:23:19

Alright.

Nathan: 00:23:20

Anthony, you're up.

Anthony: 00:23:22

I love Temple of Doom.

Anthony: 00:23:25

Of course.

Anthony: 00:23:26

I just remember being like, eyes bugging out of my head in the

Anthony: 00:23:30

theater watching this as a child and watching a grown man's heart, beating

Anthony: 00:23:33

heart be ripped from his chest.

Anthony: 00:23:35

This is a horror movie.

Anthony: 00:23:37

This is a horror movie.

Anthony: 00:23:38

It's so

Bee: 00:23:38

disturbing.

Anthony: 00:23:40

There's so many elements to this that put it in the horror genre.

Anthony: 00:23:44

genre for me, and especially to a child.

Anthony: 00:23:46

Like I, I never get away with that today.

Anthony: 00:23:51

And even back then, again, it caused an entire rating system change.

Anthony: 00:23:55

And I think they just went.

Anthony: 00:23:57

The creators were in a dark place.

Anthony: 00:23:59

They went in a dark place.

Anthony: 00:24:00

They had, empire was such a big hit and that was the dark middle star Wars movie.

Anthony: 00:24:04

And they wanted to do that again a little bit.

Anthony: 00:24:06

And yeah, whether or not they went too far, who knows.

Anthony: 00:24:11

But for me, it was a ton of fun.

Anthony: 00:24:14

Some good callbacks to the first film.

Anthony: 00:24:17

But I think.

Anthony: 00:24:18

Even as a standalone film, this doesn't have to be an Indiana Jones movie.

Anthony: 00:24:23

I think this movie could have been any other film.

Anthony: 00:24:27

It wouldn't be as good because again, you get to build on what Raiders has

Anthony: 00:24:30

already established as a world and Indiana Jones is a character, but

Anthony: 00:24:34

but This would be a really fun movie to watch in almost any franchise.

Anthony: 00:24:38

So like you can nitpick a bunch of different stuff and comparison

Anthony: 00:24:43

the other indie films or whatever.

Anthony: 00:24:44

But I think it's right up there.

Anthony: 00:24:46

With the other films Raiders.

Anthony: 00:24:47

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:24:47

Like you said, Raiders is perfect.

Anthony: 00:24:49

I guess we're not really allowed to talk about the future, but it's there.

Anthony: 00:24:53

It's my third favorite of the original three, but we're talking like,

Anthony: 00:24:56

what's your third favorite child?

Anthony: 00:24:58

It's

Nathan: 00:25:00

okay.

Nathan: 00:25:03

Anthony, if you were giving a rating one to five, what would you say?

Nathan: 00:25:06

Cause that's what we do here.

Anthony: 00:25:08

And we took all the movies ever made into this one, one to five.

Anthony: 00:25:12

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:25:13

It's high stakes,

Outro: 00:25:14

Anthony.

Outro: 00:25:14

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:25:16

It's a four.

Anthony: 00:25:17

And I'm also team Willie.

Anthony: 00:25:21

Hell yeah.

Anthony: 00:25:21

I think she's a terrific representative of They're making these thirties and

Anthony: 00:25:27

forties serial films and she's a great representation of what a lot of the like

Anthony: 00:25:32

damsel in distress But not even she's not even really in distress she's like

Anthony: 00:25:37

you said you called it every man of it.

Anthony: 00:25:39

She's comic relief.

Anthony: 00:25:40

She's all these things and Like I don't know.

Anthony: 00:25:43

I've met people like that I met people, I know people, that if you drop them

Anthony: 00:25:47

into that situation they're gonna scream when they see snakes and all that.

Anthony: 00:25:49

It might even be me.

Anthony: 00:25:50

But I didn't have a problem with her as a character.

Anthony: 00:25:53

She was annoying.

Anthony: 00:25:55

That's the person you don't want around in some of those situations, but that's

Anthony: 00:25:58

what she's supposed to be there for.

Anthony: 00:25:59

If she was like an equal to Indy as far as his experience and skillset

Anthony: 00:26:04

and all that, she really wouldn't be that interesting of a character.

Anthony: 00:26:06

You need someone that's like in some ways, hold him back.

Anthony: 00:26:09

And then she has, she's the character arc that they can't give Indiana Jones.

Anthony: 00:26:13

Indiana Jones is a very, Established character is not gonna change much

Anthony: 00:26:20

through these films, but the people around him, through his adventures change

Anthony: 00:26:25

their life perspective and all that.

Anthony: 00:26:27

So you get to watch a great change in her.

Anthony: 00:26:30

. And so she's the me she's the character, change

Nathan: 00:26:33

the character artist.

Nathan: 00:26:33

You see a change.

Nathan: 00:26:34

Did you see a change in her through this movie?

Nathan: 00:26:36

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:26:36

Oh, absolutely.

Nathan: 00:26:38

Especially, she was constantly.

Bee: 00:26:40

Yeah, she was constantly pushing herself outside her comfort zone.

Bee: 00:26:43

She was taken from something, a place where she already had established

Bee: 00:26:47

herself in a foreign country.

Bee: 00:26:48

She built a career there.

Bee: 00:26:50

She knew she could be a person that kept going beyond her boundaries.

Bee: 00:26:54

I think she's a really well written character.

Anthony: 00:26:56

And when Indy drank the potion there and turned evil

Anthony: 00:27:00

that's a big turning point for her.

Anthony: 00:27:02

She stepped up and like you mentioned earlier when she handed The thing for

Anthony: 00:27:06

him to hit the, that, that wouldn't happen to the beginning of the movie.

Anthony: 00:27:09

I think she, spending that time and spending that time around Indy,

Anthony: 00:27:13

becoming more comfortable in her skin, she really stepped up against those.

Anthony: 00:27:18

She could have caught, crouched in a corner and hit and cried,

Anthony: 00:27:20

but she stepped up and helped

Sam: 00:27:21

fight.

Sam: 00:27:25

You talk about Indy drinking that potion.

Sam: 00:27:27

You talk about the horror movie like tone to this.

Sam: 00:27:29

That is so dark when he wakes up with the candles.

Sam: 00:27:31

I'm like, Oh my God, this is pitch black, midnight darkness.

Sam: 00:27:35

Yeah.

Sam: 00:27:36

Oh yeah.

Trailer: 00:27:37

Yeah.

Trailer: 00:27:38

Yeah.

Trailer: 00:27:39

Okay.

Anthony: 00:27:40

And as far as the other tropes that people get upset about with India

Anthony: 00:27:44

and all that Again it's the early 80s, all these films and stories from, especially

Anthony: 00:27:51

the stuff they're trying to emulate.

Anthony: 00:27:52

They're trying to emulate stuff from almost the 30s.

Anthony: 00:27:55

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:27:56

And, exotic places and Aboriginals and all this different stuff that comes up.

Anthony: 00:28:02

Those are all like, scary.

Anthony: 00:28:04

The unknown where man is scared of the unknown and other countries

Anthony: 00:28:07

and other populations and all that are unknown and therefore scary.

Anthony: 00:28:11

And you get these tall tales that, that creep through a bow.

Anthony: 00:28:14

Don't go there.

Anthony: 00:28:15

Those people will do this and that you hear about now,

Bee: 00:28:18

I just wish they had given Indy a really strong character from the

Bee: 00:28:22

village that he was trying to save.

Bee: 00:28:24

I wish there were somebody that stepped up that represented

Bee: 00:28:29

the place that needed help.

Bee: 00:28:31

That was, I think, the thing that could have helped it a little more.

Bee: 00:28:36

Because then you could still be this person who's fish out of water.

Bee: 00:28:39

You could still have that story.

Bee: 00:28:41

But then you also have the story of humanizing, but to your point, Indy

Bee: 00:28:45

has that great moment in the beginning with Willie, where he's you got to eat

Bee: 00:28:47

this food and he's showing the cultural competence that an academic should have.

Nathan: 00:28:54

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:28:54

Okay.

Nathan: 00:28:55

Sam, what do you got to say?

Sam: 00:28:58

I first off, just going linearly, I like, I love the opening

Sam: 00:29:03

title credits of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom behind Kate

Sam: 00:29:08

Capshaw, who is like in front of it.

Sam: 00:29:11

And the logo appears as it does on posters which I will not give

Sam: 00:29:16

anything away, but we don't often see that style in other films

Nathan: 00:29:20

with Kate Capshaw in front of the title.

Sam: 00:29:22

Yeah, no, where you actually see where it says Indiana Jones

Sam: 00:29:26

in the Indiana Jones, orange font.

Sam: 00:29:28

Like writers doesn't have that.

Sam: 00:29:30

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:29:30

See

Sam: 00:29:31

just different style.

Sam: 00:29:32

Like this movie is more pulpy, oh, totally.

Sam: 00:29:35

Yeah.

Sam: 00:29:36

Love the, and I was timed it cause I've seen this movie so many times.

Sam: 00:29:40

I was curious as to the structure, the first 19 minutes of this film with the

Sam: 00:29:45

like Nurhaci's remains at Club Obi Wan, the huge shootout in Club Obi Wan, the

Sam: 00:29:50

escape, jumping out the window, the giant rolling, like block the, the car

Sam: 00:29:56

chase And Dan Aykroyd's brief cameo out of nowhere where he just shows up.

Sam: 00:30:01

He's hello, I'm Odd Webber.

Sam: 00:30:02

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Sam: 00:30:03

He's you will be riding on a cargo plane.

Bee: 00:30:05

I was like, is that Dan Aykroyd?

Bee: 00:30:07

They must have

Nathan: 00:30:07

stayed friends from 1941 is what I'm guessing.

Nathan: 00:30:10

Yeah,

Sam: 00:30:10

exactly.

Sam: 00:30:12

For sure.

Sam: 00:30:12

And then like all that is in the first 19 minutes, then they jump

Sam: 00:30:16

out of the plane in that ridiculous raft sequence that I love.

Sam: 00:30:20

It's just such a this movie.

Sam: 00:30:22

Really takes the kind of James Bond the and premise of will open the film with

Sam: 00:30:27

the third act of another story and it just has this totally unrelated, like

Sam: 00:30:32

those characters never come back again and in terms of what I really enjoy

Sam: 00:30:37

about this movie, the tonality of it.

Sam: 00:30:38

It's like my.

Sam: 00:30:40

Description of it.

Sam: 00:30:40

It's like a it on the outside.

Sam: 00:30:43

It looks like a beautiful like cake and you like want to eat

Sam: 00:30:47

it but like it's hollow and there's a giant tarantula inside.

Sam: 00:30:52

Because this movie I always loved like that's like having always

Sam: 00:30:59

loved like movies and like being interested in directing and

Sam: 00:31:02

structure and stuff like that.

Sam: 00:31:04

What I really love about Indiana Jones and the temple of doom is if you're seeing

Sam: 00:31:09

this for the first time, it starts off very splashy with a musical, very light.

Sam: 00:31:14

Like you've got, you have a sense, like what I'm going

Sam: 00:31:16

to be seeing is a lot of fun.

Sam: 00:31:17

fun, maybe not as deep as Raiders, but after they crash and they arrive in

Sam: 00:31:22

India, this like oppressive tone of darkness just creeps down on the movie.

Sam: 00:31:27

And so I love how the evil and the tonality and the horror elements of

Sam: 00:31:33

this film are saved for the second act.

Sam: 00:31:36

And it's, so it creeps in insidiously.

Sam: 00:31:38

Interestingly enough the actor.

Sam: 00:31:40

who played the village priest, he actually did not speak English in

Sam: 00:31:45

real life and Spielberg told him his lines phonetically to him.

Sam: 00:31:49

So he'd mimic the sound.

Sam: 00:31:51

So that's where he would say it must darkness over the village.

Sam: 00:31:55

He's literally just going off Spielberg's direction.

Sam: 00:31:59

I thought he did amazing.

Nathan: 00:32:01

There's a great, there's a great behind the scenes.

Nathan: 00:32:04

Stuff on YouTube and on the disc where he's just shows and he's doing all the

Nathan: 00:32:07

stuff behind like darkness and all that.

Nathan: 00:32:09

And he's just copying him, off camera.

Anthony: 00:32:13

Oh, exactly.

Nathan: 00:32:14

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:32:15

Before you get too far, I do just want to comment on the opening.

Anthony: 00:32:18

Which could be its own short film in and of itself.

Anthony: 00:32:21

I love the fact how Indiana Jones, especially in the beginning of

Anthony: 00:32:26

Raiders 2 that they just Drop you in without any X unnecessary

Anthony: 00:32:30

exposition of what's happening.

Anthony: 00:32:32

They just don't insult the audience intelligence and allow you to

Anthony: 00:32:35

pick up some of the pieces there.

Anthony: 00:32:36

And it makes you have to listen and pay attention.

Anthony: 00:32:38

It draws you in.

Anthony: 00:32:40

They didn't need to explain too much, but you're gathering context

Anthony: 00:32:43

clues of who's doing what and who's looking how and who's with who.

Anthony: 00:32:45

And it's just phenomenal that they give that to the audience, the gift of

Anthony: 00:32:51

filling in the gaps, which gets you more.

Anthony: 00:32:54

Intertwined with the film, but anyway, yeah, that I love that they

Anthony: 00:32:57

do that with these films, and I wish more films nowadays would do that

Anthony: 00:33:00

without over explaining everything

Outro: 00:33:02

to you.

Sam: 00:33:02

Yeah.

Sam: 00:33:03

God, yeah, over explaining everything and then like adding subplots in

Sam: 00:33:06

addition to explaining everything.

Sam: 00:33:07

Yeah.

Sam: 00:33:08

They're like, we have to like, check every single box.

Sam: 00:33:11

Not opening it.

Sam: 00:33:12

I love that opening and that, that sets the tone.

Sam: 00:33:14

And what I love about it is it's so different from the rest.

Sam: 00:33:17

And I totally hear what you're saying, Bea, about especially when

Sam: 00:33:21

they're in the temple of Dhuum, the movie is more like claustrophobic.

Sam: 00:33:24

It's closer.

Sam: 00:33:24

And it's a very different animal than Raiders because Raiders is undeniably

Sam: 00:33:30

Way more epic and grander visually and it's you know Open skies and

Sam: 00:33:36

deserts and vehicles and soldiers like it's very there's a there's like

Sam: 00:33:40

a David Lean feel Raiders, this is a subterranean horror movie that happens

Sam: 00:33:47

exactly that happens to have some like outdoor locations in the first half.

Sam: 00:33:52

I know what you mean about the pacing in the temple, but for me personally,

Sam: 00:33:56

why, the reason I like it a lot is because when they get to the temple,

Sam: 00:34:00

the movie's had some action and laughs and the gross out, dinner

Sam: 00:34:03

scene and some really good set pieces.

Sam: 00:34:05

And I love the thing where the spikes coming down and them getting trapped,

Sam: 00:34:09

like the action in this movie is legit, but until they've arrived at the

Sam: 00:34:13

temple, it's never gotten fully dark.

Sam: 00:34:16

And when they get there and they get trapped, it gets.

Sam: 00:34:18

dark, like Harrison Ford drinks the poison, like they're being

Sam: 00:34:22

whipped like Willie is literally about to be sacrificed to the fire.

Sam: 00:34:27

And that's like incredibly suspenseful and just horrifying

Sam: 00:34:30

because I can't imagine her terror and just blacking out in the heat.

Sam: 00:34:34

It gets so oppressive and so heavy.

Sam: 00:34:37

That when they break free and escape, I find the like mine car chase wildly

Sam: 00:34:43

exciting the bridge climax, just like it's like they get let out of the

Sam: 00:34:48

prison of the temple of doom and they get this escape like the last third of

Sam: 00:34:52

that movie to me is just Action packed.

Sam: 00:34:56

I love everything.

Sam: 00:34:57

I like the shot.

Sam: 00:34:58

I love it.

Sam: 00:34:58

When Indy is swinging on the the rafters with his whip and he's trying to catch

Sam: 00:35:02

up to the mine cart and he falls in.

Sam: 00:35:04

Just the way it's shot the, this movie really, the pacing

Sam: 00:35:08

moves really fast for me.

Sam: 00:35:09

And lastly, I'll say, I'll just end by saying that in, in Mythology in the hero's

Sam: 00:35:16

journey and those types of things, there's the idea of the hero has to go into the

Sam: 00:35:21

earth and be tested, and then they come back out to the light re energized.

Sam: 00:35:25

And I feel like Temple of Doom takes that literally.

Sam: 00:35:28

We literally see a movie where Indiana Jones and company go to hell, survive

Sam: 00:35:33

hell, and then break up back forth to daylight on the other side, and it was

Sam: 00:35:38

like a fever dream nightmare of a Story.

Sam: 00:35:41

So that's what I like about it.

Sam: 00:35:42

I could go on and on, but I would give Temple of Doom four as well.

Sam: 00:35:45

I give it a solid four.

Trailer: 00:35:47

Nice.

Nathan: 00:35:50

Okay.

Nathan: 00:35:51

I'm up.

Trailer: 00:35:55

Yeah, man, you're up.

Nathan: 00:35:56

I've dreaded this day.

Nathan: 00:35:59

Thanks.

Nathan: 00:36:01

I have.

Nathan: 00:36:01

Anthony, what you don't know is that I have a real love hate relationship

Nathan: 00:36:06

with this movie for a long time.

Nathan: 00:36:07

So one thing that I feel like I should never do, I never want to do in life, is

Nathan: 00:36:16

to look at this film with a critical eye, especially when I'm already, this film has

Nathan: 00:36:23

been skating at the nice for a while now.

Nathan: 00:36:26

This came out at a time at the peak of my eighties movie fandom, summer

Nathan: 00:36:31

of 84, I was 10 and I loved the hell out of this movie when I was 10.

Nathan: 00:36:37

It was, Spielberg made this movie for me.

Nathan: 00:36:39

It was perfect.

Nathan: 00:36:40

And I still think, like you said, Sam, the first.

Nathan: 00:36:43

18, 19 minutes of this movie are perfect.

Nathan: 00:36:45

Pretty much.

Nathan: 00:36:46

I love that opening scene.

Nathan: 00:36:48

I would actually, I'll be honest.

Nathan: 00:36:49

I would, I wish this movie was about Indy's adventures with the Chinese mafia.

Nathan: 00:36:54

I could have stayed in Shanghai and learning about, and his adventures there.

Nathan: 00:36:59

I want to know more about that.

Nathan: 00:37:01

That's funny.

Nathan: 00:37:01

Was it when he got on the plane?

Nathan: 00:37:05

I love that scene, but it there's something about this.

Nathan: 00:37:08

One thing that bothers me though, and I'll get into about the humor in this

Nathan: 00:37:12

movie, in the writing of this, but I'm getting ahead of myself here, but years

Nathan: 00:37:16

have gone as the years have gone on temple doom has increasingly become a

Nathan: 00:37:22

very Difficult viewing experience for me.

Nathan: 00:37:27

I guess I'll say

Nathan: 00:37:30

I'm not here to completely trash this movie.

Nathan: 00:37:34

There are a lot of things I'll appraise.

Nathan: 00:37:36

I, like I said, the opening is perfect.

Nathan: 00:37:37

It starts off with that vibrant homage to the like Busby Berkeley

Nathan: 00:37:41

musicals from the thirties, forties, that splashy dance number.

Nathan: 00:37:44

I love that opening set piece.

Nathan: 00:37:47

It's my favorite part of this movie, pitting Indy and

Nathan: 00:37:49

Lao Tse against each other.

Nathan: 00:37:50

The interaction that combined with the blocking of that, the directing,

Nathan: 00:37:54

the editing, the score while they're doing the Lazy Susan back and forth.

Nathan: 00:37:58

So yeah it's chef's kiss.

Nathan: 00:38:01

It is.

Nathan: 00:38:02

The champagne pork, the ice with everything, the way that is edited

Nathan: 00:38:05

together, it's just perfection.

Nathan: 00:38:08

And, but at least to that, like Marx brothers esque shenanigans, And it's

Nathan: 00:38:12

a great blend of humor and action.

Nathan: 00:38:14

It is Spielberg firing in all cylinders in that scene.

Nathan: 00:38:19

And I really do love it, but it's also an indication of the type of humor and

Nathan: 00:38:27

like the ventures into lowbrow territory that is just not vibing with me.

Nathan: 00:38:33

The way it used to, and it's lacking kind of the wit and

Nathan: 00:38:36

the subtlety of the first film.

Nathan: 00:38:39

But another, but not going to dwell too into the doldrums yet.

Nathan: 00:38:43

Another bright spot I like is the dynamic between Indy and Short Round.

Nathan: 00:38:46

Their banter and chemistry, so much fun.

Nathan: 00:38:50

I really hope that that he, Quan maybe returns his franchise at some point.

Nathan: 00:38:55

And.

Nathan: 00:38:56

And we get maybe some adventure with him or that character,

Nathan: 00:39:00

I think it'd be really cool.

Nathan: 00:39:02

I think he's, he'll, he, I don't think he ever will.

Sam: 00:39:04

I love it when he and Indy are playing, they're playing cards

Sam: 00:39:07

and Kate Capshaw's running around and like bumping into every single

Sam: 00:39:10

animal and she grabs the bat.

Sam: 00:39:12

And my favorite shot is she runs by and a lizard is bruh.

Nathan: 00:39:16

I like them in that.

Nathan: 00:39:17

I love their banter.

Nathan: 00:39:19

I could watch them play cards or do whatever I want to venture with

Nathan: 00:39:23

them, but if it was focused but conversely, Willie Scott, the leading

Nathan: 00:39:29

later for me, the leading lady is a major drawback for me, her character.

Nathan: 00:39:35

I was, I'm actually surprised how much team Willie there is here.

Nathan: 00:39:39

Cause I find her, she is the audience surrogate.

Nathan: 00:39:42

But damn her character, the character I don't know.

Nathan: 00:39:46

I found her to be very underdeveloped and I do, you did bring up some good

Nathan: 00:39:50

points that did make me think a little bit more, she does have some agency

Nathan: 00:39:54

in this toward the end where she is helping Indy out and I really didn't.

Nathan: 00:39:57

Think about it as much, but she is so poorly written, the stuff

Nathan: 00:40:02

that comes out of her mouth, it's just EKS and oz for the most part.

Nathan: 00:40:07

And I don't even care that it's a, she's like this potentially outdated stereotype

Nathan: 00:40:13

of nightclub singer of the thirties.

Nathan: 00:40:14

I get that's somebody that existed back then, and so I, I don't, that doesn't.

Nathan: 00:40:19

Fault, the movie for that.

Nathan: 00:40:20

I just don't like the fact that her, I didn't feel like she had

Nathan: 00:40:23

much arc and has really no depth.

Nathan: 00:40:26

She has no character moments.

Nathan: 00:40:27

Yes, she does.

Nathan: 00:40:29

Ha.

Nathan: 00:40:29

Action is character, but we don't really get to know her.

Nathan: 00:40:33

She doesn't like, we don't really, she doesn't.

Nathan: 00:40:35

Share anything about who she is throughout this movie.

Nathan: 00:40:38

There's one moment where she says something about, she has an opinion

Nathan: 00:40:43

about my father, my uncle was a magician or a trickster, something like that.

Nathan: 00:40:47

And he ended up like penniless.

Nathan: 00:40:48

That's the one time in this whole movie.

Nathan: 00:40:50

She says, Something that is aha she's bringing up something from her past.

Anthony: 00:40:56

It speaks to her material nature though.

Anthony: 00:40:59

Doesn't it?

Anthony: 00:41:00

It helps explain sort of her superficiality.

Anthony: 00:41:03

Yes,

Nathan: 00:41:05

but it's the only time that she says, Anything that's makes me

Nathan: 00:41:09

think that they wrote a line for her thinking about her character.

Nathan: 00:41:13

There's nothing, there's no other line in this movie that

Nathan: 00:41:16

is, adds any character to it.

Nathan: 00:41:18

I

Bee: 00:41:18

think there's so much visual storytelling that tells you her character.

Bee: 00:41:22

I think you know that she's like I do, but she's, yeah,

Nathan: 00:41:26

okay.

Nathan: 00:41:28

But yeah, you've made me think a little bit more about it because, but that's,

Nathan: 00:41:32

that was my initial reaction to this.

Nathan: 00:41:34

Can I ask you a question?

Anthony: 00:41:36

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:41:37

Or my question to you is if you're going to take the Uber capable and experienced

Anthony: 00:41:43

Indiana Jones and drop him into what Sam calls the pit of hell, we don't have

Anthony: 00:41:50

the traditional jet setting, like the.

Anthony: 00:41:53

The 007 jet setting that Indiana Jones does.

Anthony: 00:41:55

We dropped him off in a place that no one knows where he is.

Anthony: 00:41:58

He's trapped, there's no way out, and he's alone.

Anthony: 00:42:00

If you're going to do that to Indiana Jones, and you want it to seem a

Anthony: 00:42:05

very helpless situation, are you not going to drop him with a child?

Anthony: 00:42:10

And a woman that's more worried about breaking a nail than anything else.

Anthony: 00:42:13

The two of the most hapless, helpless people that you can companion

Anthony: 00:42:17

him with in the pit of hell.

Anthony: 00:42:20

And they are the ones that help him get out.

Nathan: 00:42:24

I get it.

Nathan: 00:42:25

I understand this movie has a very precise formula for that.

Nathan: 00:42:29

She's a Bond girl is what she is.

Nathan: 00:42:30

There's the reason for why she's there.

Nathan: 00:42:33

And she's the audience surrogate.

Nathan: 00:42:34

And I don't fault the movie completely.

Nathan: 00:42:38

I just fault the writing for her.

Nathan: 00:42:40

But she serves a purpose for the story.

Nathan: 00:42:43

She's

Bee: 00:42:43

a broad industry.

Nathan: 00:42:45

But I don't know.

Nathan: 00:42:46

It's, it just is not working for me anymore.

Bee: 00:42:50

I think you're, I think you're on the, I think a lot of

Bee: 00:42:52

people feel the way you feel.

Nathan: 00:42:54

So the other thing I know But it's, I can't

Nathan: 00:42:56

really talk so much about it.

Nathan: 00:42:57

The other thing, just two more points, I'll say it quickly, visually, this film

Nathan: 00:43:01

is it's so heavily reliant on soundstages.

Nathan: 00:43:04

And that is also contributing to this claustrophobic and dark atmosphere.

Nathan: 00:43:08

I know this movie is underground and all that, but.

Nathan: 00:43:11

Whereas Raiders was so set in these vibrant location based settings much

Nathan: 00:43:17

of this film takes place underground and with that combined of, with

Nathan: 00:43:21

that is a, it's got that dim living and these visually monotonous, it

Nathan: 00:43:26

creates this visually monotonous experience is what I'm trying to say.

Nathan: 00:43:28

And.

Nathan: 00:43:29

With so many few outdoor scenes and a few of them were shot in Sri Lanka, but it

Nathan: 00:43:34

really doesn't offer that much relief.

Nathan: 00:43:36

So it just felt really, I just felt just like it was all in sound stages.

Nathan: 00:43:41

And I just did not feel like we went anywhere.

Nathan: 00:43:44

I was, I did not like, you mentioned David Lean as a great

Nathan: 00:43:48

reference, Sam, for the first film.

Nathan: 00:43:50

And I felt like I was never really was outside this movie and I

Nathan: 00:43:54

didn't, it wasn't pleasurable.

Anthony: 00:43:57

Compared to Raiders, or are you hating this as a standalone thing?

Anthony: 00:44:02

But do you think that Raiders of the Lost Ark is causing you to

Anthony: 00:44:05

hate this more than you should?

Nathan: 00:44:08

I can't not compare it to Raiders, but I think it's it's

Nathan: 00:44:13

also, it felt cheap because of that.

Nathan: 00:44:16

It felt like power agency.

Nathan: 00:44:18

And, there's more to say about this, but in summary,

Nathan: 00:44:20

there's a lot of great moments.

Nathan: 00:44:22

The action is so well directed in this.

Nathan: 00:44:25

And brilliant, a lot of moments of brilliance and nostalgia

Nathan: 00:44:28

here, but it really struggles with the tonal inconsistencies.

Nathan: 00:44:32

I don't like the slapstick humor.

Nathan: 00:44:35

It may have been the film that, that the public wanted in 1984 and

Nathan: 00:44:39

hey, I was there for it, but in retrospect, I still think this is one

Nathan: 00:44:44

of Spielberg's worst in his catalog.

Nathan: 00:44:46

So yeah.

Nathan: 00:44:48

What's your star rating?

Nathan: 00:44:49

I'm giving it a two and a half.

Sam: 00:44:51

Damn.

Sam: 00:44:52

I'd say for me personally, just on the visual element of the Temple of Doom I

Sam: 00:44:57

love Douglas Slacombe's lighting there.

Sam: 00:45:01

I think that set is incredible.

Sam: 00:45:03

And I was, because I was doing this in at the one hour mark, when Indy and Short

Sam: 00:45:07

Round and Willy you hit, they can hear chanting and they're walking through these

Sam: 00:45:10

stalactites and stuff, and they come out around this corner, and in this Spielberg

Sam: 00:45:15

tracking shot, and then it pans around, and you see the entire Temple of Doom

Sam: 00:45:21

set all fiery lit up with all the extras.

Sam: 00:45:23

I just find that, all of that the light, everything I find spectacular.

Sam: 00:45:29

So I don't find it visually nice.

Nathan: 00:45:30

This movie is between spectacular and aggravating to me.

Nathan: 00:45:35

That's where I'm at.

Nathan: 00:45:36

So I

Bee: 00:45:37

have a question for you guys about the way this looks and about some of the

Bee: 00:45:41

action on the set pieces because I think the action is shot really well but it

Bee: 00:45:46

goes so big so often and so much bigger than it went in Raiders that for me it

Bee: 00:45:52

almost looks lampoony like when they get out of the plane on the raft and to

Bee: 00:45:57

an extent the mine cart scene as well.

Bee: 00:46:00

So I.

Bee: 00:46:02

I didn't see this when it came out, obviously.

Bee: 00:46:04

I haven't seen it my whole life, so all I've seen is what it's influenced.

Bee: 00:46:09

And I haven't really done a lot of research on this movie, because

Bee: 00:46:11

I don't want to spoil anything for myself for future films.

Bee: 00:46:16

It looked like, to me, with present day eyes on this movie, like they were Gunning

Bee: 00:46:21

for universal rides when they made this movie, they had notes in the back of their

Bee: 00:46:27

mind of like, how do we make this a ride?

Bee: 00:46:30

How do we market this?

Bee: 00:46:31

That's how I, as a modern day movie watcher, see that

Bee: 00:46:35

what they're doing there.

Bee: 00:46:36

But I don't know if this is actually just some sort of.

Bee: 00:46:38

Spielberg and Lucas being like, let's all be 10 year old boys and make the movie.

Bee: 00:46:42

Our 10 year old kids wish they could make, or if this was a studio note

Bee: 00:46:46

saying Raiders was so good, let's just do more, more as far as I know.

Sam: 00:46:50

The mine car chase was actually originally going to be part of Raiders,

Sam: 00:46:54

but they had too many set pieces.

Sam: 00:46:56

So they like kept, and they're like, Oh, now we're in temple of doom.

Sam: 00:46:59

We're underground.

Sam: 00:47:00

We'll take the mine car chase, put it in this one.

Sam: 00:47:03

But I guess it was a raft, possibly.

Sam: 00:47:05

Yeah.

Sam: 00:47:05

Yeah.

Sam: 00:47:06

No, yeah, the raft, I can see possibly while making it, it definitely has

Sam: 00:47:09

that, of course it could be a good ride.

Sam: 00:47:11

I

Nathan: 00:47:11

know there's very little studio involvement in the making of this movie.

Nathan: 00:47:15

They let Lucas and Spielberg really have carte blanche to do whatever you want.

Bee: 00:47:20

This looks like the studio had their hands all over it.

Bee: 00:47:23

If you've never seen this movie.

Bee: 00:47:25

This feels like a

Nathan: 00:47:26

This to me feels like a cocaine infused fever dream.

Nathan: 00:47:29

Yeah, but I think the studio execs were doing that

Bee: 00:47:31

too.

Bee: 00:47:32

But I think, if you, so I grew up in the era of like franchises and sequels and

Bee: 00:47:39

big movies and studios and things getting, so watching this now, it's so different.

Bee: 00:47:44

so hard to not to think that this was the original concept of Spielberg and Lucas

Bee: 00:47:49

and not how do we market this later?

Bee: 00:47:51

How do we make things bigger?

Bee: 00:47:53

And it just not being super successful.

Bee: 00:47:56

So that's, I don't know, that just puts it in a different light for me.

Sam: 00:47:59

I hear that.

Sam: 00:48:00

And it was definitely them.

Sam: 00:48:01

It was Lucas, like pushing the idea and Spielberg kind of jumped on

Sam: 00:48:04

board and was like, Oh, a darker.

Sam: 00:48:06

Just like playing

Bee: 00:48:07

and being, yeah, that's fun

Nathan: 00:48:09

to know is that this really was like a story that

Nathan: 00:48:12

they just threw together.

Nathan: 00:48:13

This is not like Raiders where Lucas had this idea gestating

Nathan: 00:48:16

for like years and years.

Nathan: 00:48:18

This was just like them we got to think of something.

Nathan: 00:48:21

And they had like action set pieces in mind.

Nathan: 00:48:24

And then I feel like they cobbled around a story around that.

Nathan: 00:48:27

They did the same

Sam: 00:48:28

thing.

Sam: 00:48:30

Yeah.

Sam: 00:48:30

It's

Bee: 00:48:30

surreal that it is.

Bee: 00:48:31

Sorry.

Bee: 00:48:31

We did the same

Sam: 00:48:32

thing with Raiders.

Sam: 00:48:33

They put together a story and this was no different than their kind of storytelling.

Sam: 00:48:37

I think it just happened to be, for me I think Raiders is definitely like a

Sam: 00:48:42

lot more open air and visually epic, but what I love about this is when, and I

Sam: 00:48:47

won't give anything away, but when you're watching Indiana Jones movies, I like

Sam: 00:48:51

how I like what an outlier this film is.

Sam: 00:48:53

It's so different in feel that it, the claustrophobia and the cave, like

Sam: 00:49:00

for me, gives it its own horror thing.

Sam: 00:49:03

And I love it when they're like, going through the place with the bugs.

Sam: 00:49:06

Like it's very like.

Sam: 00:49:07

Trapped in cavernous, but I love it because it's so different.

Sam: 00:49:11

It's not like Raiders part two.

Sam: 00:49:13

Let's try to top the truck chase.

Sam: 00:49:15

You know what I mean?

Sam: 00:49:15

Yeah, that's just my sort of angle.

Sam: 00:49:17

It's

Bee: 00:49:17

a little mean spirited.

Bee: 00:49:19

Like it, it never lets them go.

Bee: 00:49:21

Like first they got the bridge, then there's alligators under the bridge.

Bee: 00:49:24

Then it's just, and I like that.

Bee: 00:49:27

I think that was, but I wasn't sure who was driving that.

Sam: 00:49:31

That was definitely Spielberg and Lucas.

Sam: 00:49:33

Yeah.

Sam: 00:49:33

Yeah.

Anthony: 00:49:35

The great thing too, Sam, you talk about the end when they

Anthony: 00:49:37

come out and they're in darkness and then into the light at the end.

Anthony: 00:49:40

We're sitting in the theater, having that same response when the

Anthony: 00:49:44

screen goes bright with the sun.

Anthony: 00:49:46

And we've been living inside with these characters for this entire film.

Anthony: 00:49:49

Even in the, I remember squinting when the daylight came on at the end of the film.

Anthony: 00:49:54

And just being like, oh.

Anthony: 00:49:55

Man, that's

Sam: 00:49:55

awesome.

Sam: 00:49:55

And

Anthony: 00:49:55

having that same, that same feeling.

Anthony: 00:49:58

That was cool.

Anthony: 00:49:59

I think some of the negatives that people are finding are by design and maybe

Anthony: 00:50:03

they're not What is optimal for us and stuff, but willie's a character you're

Anthony: 00:50:08

not supposed to like I don't think and you know living in the darkness I think

Anthony: 00:50:12

is by design as well but it's interesting what you're saying be about like the set

Anthony: 00:50:16

pieces and the age nature of the effects like They don't, I was remarkably still

Anthony: 00:50:23

impressed by all the set pieces and stuff, but I think I just in a different

Anthony: 00:50:28

generation grew up with a different eye.

Anthony: 00:50:30

I hate more of the artificial CGI stuff now than I do.

Anthony: 00:50:34

I think less of that than I do the sort of cheaper miniature stuff and whatnot.

Anthony: 00:50:39

And maybe because I grew up on it, it doesn't bother me as

Anthony: 00:50:41

much because I'm so used to it.

Anthony: 00:50:43

Whereas someone that didn't grow up with the miniatures and the practical sets as

Anthony: 00:50:47

much it stands out more to you because you're used to a more modern image.

Bee: 00:50:53

I love, I ride for practical effects.

Bee: 00:50:56

That is my jam.

Bee: 00:50:57

I just thought they they just kept pushing the action so big.

Bee: 00:51:03

And it was just so relentless to the characters that to me, it just felt like,

Bee: 00:51:08

okay, we've had Indy in a truck chase.

Bee: 00:51:11

What if we kick him out of a plane?

Bee: 00:51:12

That just felt to me like a studio note, trying to push the limits

Bee: 00:51:16

of what the character could do.

Bee: 00:51:17

But I thought the effects were great.

Bee: 00:51:18

I thought the CGI didn't hold up with the practical effects.

Bee: 00:51:21

It was amazing.

Bee: 00:51:22

And I think the sets were great.

Bee: 00:51:24

It's the best part of both movies.

Sam: 00:51:27

I do agree.

Sam: 00:51:27

I do know what you're saying about the tone.

Sam: 00:51:29

This movie has a kind of let's punch you in the face tone to it.

Sam: 00:51:33

It's it's like, you want to see the heart and the fire that is, it's

Sam: 00:51:36

like ruthless like it, there is that.

Sam: 00:51:39

And that's what makes it so different because yes it's darker than Raiders,

Sam: 00:51:46

but the evil of the Nazis is like a deeper, just more human evil of

Sam: 00:51:52

horror that like Raiders is grander.

Sam: 00:51:55

So it's like Temple of Doom definitely feels smaller, but it's it's, I feel like

Sam: 00:52:00

the dark horror tone like compensates for the more like enclosed story.

Anthony: 00:52:06

You with Nazis, you're coming in knowing what the Nazis are

Anthony: 00:52:09

capable of and what they're doing.

Anthony: 00:52:10

And they're already historically scary, but the thuggies, you don't

Anthony: 00:52:14

know anything about them coming in.

Anthony: 00:52:15

So it's how do we make them almost scarier than the Nazis?

Anthony: 00:52:18

What can we do?

Anthony: 00:52:19

So I feel like they had to make them really bad to live up to that.

Anthony: 00:52:22

to Nazis, which they didn't have to show us what the Nazis do.

Anthony: 00:52:24

Cause we all learned about it in school.

Sam: 00:52:26

They are ruthless.

Sam: 00:52:27

And by the way, I've just forgot to include this.

Sam: 00:52:29

You guys will find this hilarious, but no joke.

Sam: 00:52:31

I timed it at the one hour, 24 minute Mark and 33 seconds.

Sam: 00:52:36

There is the weirdest like continuity edit where like Indy has just rescued

Sam: 00:52:42

Willie and Mola Ram is still like on the stage and Indy goes to hit him.

Sam: 00:52:47

And then.

Sam: 00:52:48

This floor panel opens up and Molaram just escapes and he just

Sam: 00:52:52

goes, Whoa, and he disappears.

Nathan: 00:52:54

Very Bond villain esque.

Sam: 00:52:55

If you ever watched that in slow motion, the continuity

Sam: 00:52:58

on that shot is, that is a mess.

Sam: 00:53:01

Like they tried to hide it in the editing, but it's just it's, it looks insane.

Sam: 00:53:05

Yeah.

Nathan: 00:53:06

I want to emphasize just a little bit.

Nathan: 00:53:08

I feel like, I hung up on my gripes with Willie and some of the other things here,

Nathan: 00:53:13

but the thing that really is my hang up is really the writing and some of the tone

Nathan: 00:53:20

of the way these characters are written and the way they're speaking in here.

Nathan: 00:53:23

The comedy in this.

Nathan: 00:53:25

I was not a fan of.

Nathan: 00:53:28

The slapstickiness of this.

Nathan: 00:53:30

I thought the humor, again, I'm going back to comparing and I know you're calling

Nathan: 00:53:34

me out on the Anthony a little bit, but I like, I think Raiders of the Lost

Nathan: 00:53:37

Ark, the humor in that is, is wonderful.

Nathan: 00:53:40

And I have there's like in this, in Temple of Doom, like a moment I do love

Nathan: 00:53:45

where I think that it fits the humor, the tone from Raiders of the Lost Ark

Nathan: 00:53:48

is when he's escaping on the plane.

Nathan: 00:53:51

In the beginning.

Nathan: 00:53:52

And he screams, shouts out to Lao Tse nice try Lao Tse.

Nathan: 00:53:55

He closes the door and the Lao Tse name is revealed on the plane.

Nathan: 00:54:00

And if it ended right there, it's a great moment.

Nathan: 00:54:06

But what I don't like with this movie does, what Spielberg does to hit us over

Nathan: 00:54:11

the head is that you see the reverse of Lao Tse, like signaling to the

Nathan: 00:54:15

pilots ah, And you see that shot and then the pilot's signal back he's like

Nathan: 00:54:20

doing everything he can to constantly hand feed the humor to us in this.

Nathan: 00:54:26

And it's little things like that.

Nathan: 00:54:28

And the course is a lot more slapstick on top of that, but

Nathan: 00:54:31

it's, I feel like no moment can be left to be just funny on its own.

Nathan: 00:54:40

And it's even there was another moment like going back to Raiders there's,

Nathan: 00:54:43

there was a great line and that was, I actually wrote it down here I don't know

Nathan: 00:54:47

where it is anymore but it's just the way that there's, oh, I know what it was.

Nathan: 00:54:51

Another example is when When Indy and Willie, they fall out of the

Nathan: 00:54:55

club and they land in Short Round's car, and he's reaching to the dress,

Nathan: 00:54:59

and I just don't like, lowbrow humor there's no time for love, Mr.

Nathan: 00:55:04

Dr.

Nathan: 00:55:04

Jones, or things like that.

Nathan: 00:55:06

I feel like that line would not exist.

Nathan: 00:55:08

And Rays of the Lost Dark, but I compare that to like in Raiders,

Nathan: 00:55:12

where Marion says lines like, you're not the man I knew 10 years ago.

Nathan: 00:55:17

And Indy would reply with things like, it's not the years, honey.

Nathan: 00:55:20

It's the mileage, which I find to be like subtle humor that I love that tone.

Nathan: 00:55:26

And that's what I miss for this movie is that really suave, the suave

Anthony: 00:55:34

ness.

Sam: 00:55:36

But

Nathan: 00:55:36

It's great writing.

Nathan: 00:55:37

It's great.

Nathan: 00:55:38

Maybe

Sam: 00:55:39

talking to about Willard Huck and Gloria Katz.

Sam: 00:55:42

The writers on this are different.

Sam: 00:55:44

Oh, I know.

Sam: 00:55:44

I know that's gotta be, that's probably,

Nathan: 00:55:46

I noticed

Sam: 00:55:48

that a little bit.

Sam: 00:55:48

Like it's not there.

Sam: 00:55:49

Some of that is, is not the,

Nathan: 00:55:51

but it stands out to me so much these moments in this movie.

Nathan: 00:55:56

And I'm like, Oh,

Sam: 00:55:57

I hear you there for some, it's the one where Lausche like signals to

Sam: 00:56:00

the pilots that didn't, for me, didn't stand out as like a comedy overdone.

Sam: 00:56:04

I just thought it was an action of like, all right, you guys take charge.

Sam: 00:56:08

But this is like,

Nathan: 00:56:09

why would spiel, okay, I know this is the most nit pickiest, nitpick

Nathan: 00:56:12

of the nitpicks is things like that.

Nathan: 00:56:14

I get that.

Nathan: 00:56:15

But it's just like this.

Nathan: 00:56:17

That's something that like Spielberg, like why would he need that shot?

Nathan: 00:56:20

It's things like that.

Nathan: 00:56:21

But I get it.

Nathan: 00:56:21

This is an eighties action movie.

Nathan: 00:56:23

But it feels like this is something that we would see in, they can

Nathan: 00:56:25

all be troubling little child.

Nathan: 00:56:27

, I know I, that is probably not the best example, but it is like.

Nathan: 00:56:32

A microcosm of a lot of things.

Nathan: 00:56:33

I think you and I

Bee: 00:56:34

have a similar, what I think this does really well, and it does

Bee: 00:56:39

in Raiders too, is when it just relies on the visual storytelling.

Bee: 00:56:44

Willie losing the diamond and then the ice comes in and she's

Bee: 00:56:47

got to scramble to find it.

Bee: 00:56:49

That's a great moment that tells you everything you need to know.

Bee: 00:56:52

Her being poked and held at knife point in that opening scene tells you everything.

Bee: 00:56:57

Indie isn't.

Bee: 00:56:58

A great guy all the time.

Bee: 00:57:00

We knew that from Raiders.

Bee: 00:57:01

I love, he's a complicated character.

Bee: 00:57:02

I love that.

Bee: 00:57:03

The shadows come back in some of the action beats and some of

Bee: 00:57:06

the action happens off screen.

Bee: 00:57:08

You just see the effects that is so well done and incredible.

Bee: 00:57:13

Some of the verbal cues are a little more on the nose and they don't

Bee: 00:57:16

always hit the same way that the visual storytelling does for me.

Sam: 00:57:19

I hear you.

Sam: 00:57:20

I think.

Sam: 00:57:21

The visual storytelling, I think the visual storytelling and the,

Sam: 00:57:25

for me, the action set pieces in this movie, the actions are

Sam: 00:57:29

the strongest, they're like the,

Trailer: 00:57:31

they're

Sam: 00:57:32

like the bones, the foundation that like holds the house together.

Sam: 00:57:37

Because I love the mine cart chase.

Sam: 00:57:39

I just, I love the escape from the temple of doom.

Sam: 00:57:42

I feel like that third act is its own like fast paced, rickety, like adventure ride.

Sam: 00:57:47

Like I was just glad to be out of there by that point.

Sam: 00:57:50

There's also character

Nathan: 00:57:53

moments.

Nathan: 00:57:53

Indy is seeing a child being whipped at one point.

Nathan: 00:57:57

He throws a rock at that guy.

Nathan: 00:58:00

What the hell?

Nathan: 00:58:01

He totally forgot where he was.

Nathan: 00:58:04

I just hate the fact that Indy is now, in this movie, like a brash,

Nathan: 00:58:08

sometimes really stupid character.

Nathan: 00:58:10

And He's supposed to be like this brilliant, able to think

Nathan: 00:58:14

his way through problems.

Nathan: 00:58:16

And in this case, he just throws a rock to get the attention

Nathan: 00:58:18

of the entire thuggy cult.

Nathan: 00:58:20

I see, I like

Sam: 00:58:21

the throwing of the rock.

Sam: 00:58:21

Cause I thought that was a very typically Indiana Jones moment

Sam: 00:58:25

where he just is like improvising and he's overcome by his emotion.

Sam: 00:58:28

I feel like I'm watching

Nathan: 00:58:33

a completely different character in this movie.

Outro: 00:58:37

So one way he's.

Outro: 00:58:39

Oh, go ahead, Anthony.

Anthony: 00:58:41

I was going to say that the thing you view as a flaw, I was

Anthony: 00:58:44

complimenting in the fact that I love the antihero that is Indiana Jones

Anthony: 00:58:49

and that he's not always perfect.

Anthony: 00:58:51

And he often makes mistakes that put himself in more peril.

Anthony: 00:58:54

Like anyone, I know really smart people that do really stupid

Anthony: 00:58:57

emotional things sometimes.

Anthony: 00:58:59

And so I love that there's that side of him.

Anthony: 00:59:01

It makes him more three dimensional.

Anthony: 00:59:03

If he was perfect through everything and thought through everything

Anthony: 00:59:06

and did everything by the letter.

Anthony: 00:59:08

He'd be so boring.

Anthony: 00:59:10

The fact that he does these things, you're like, no, oh no.

Anthony: 00:59:14

But

Nathan: 00:59:15

I get it, but it's, it just seems like we've betrayed a character

Nathan: 00:59:19

that I already thought I knew.

Nathan: 00:59:22

It just seems like something that, the other thing I have to keep in

Nathan: 00:59:25

mind is that this is a prequel and maybe he learned from his mistakes,

Nathan: 00:59:28

which is why he is different.

Bee: 00:59:30

I think it's weird that they bothered to classify it as a prequel

Bee: 00:59:32

because they're just serious.

Bee: 00:59:33

Here's the other

Nathan: 00:59:34

thing.

Nathan: 00:59:34

When I saw this in 84.

Nathan: 00:59:36

I never really made the connection that this was a prequel.

Nathan: 00:59:39

I think I'd only seen Raiders maybe one time.

Nathan: 00:59:41

Cause I did see in the theater, by the way, I saw Raiders in 1981 in the theater.

Nathan: 00:59:46

Scared the hell out of me.

Nathan: 00:59:48

And it was one of the first movies my dad brought me to see.

Nathan: 00:59:51

I was seven or whatever, how old I was.

Nathan: 00:59:54

And I don't think I had, I'd ever saw, I don't know if I had

Nathan: 00:59:57

HBO or, So I saw, here's the other thing that's really funny.

Nathan: 01:00:02

I didn't even know that Indiana Jones was the same actor that was Han Solo,

Nathan: 01:00:08

because until I saw the opening scene at the nightclub when Indiana Jones is

Nathan: 01:00:14

clean shaven, that's the only time I think in the entire series he's clean

Nathan: 01:00:18

shaven, I'm like, he looks like Han Solo.

Nathan: 01:00:22

And that's when I finally made the connection.

Nathan: 01:00:24

There's the same actor but but that's the thing I, until these movies

Nathan: 01:00:27

were on home video or HBO, like when you see the year title card, like I

Nathan: 01:00:31

never knew that or I don't think a lot of people made that connection.

Bee: 01:00:35

He does something that's outside of.

Bee: 01:00:38

What we assume his character to be from Raiders at the end of this movie

Bee: 01:00:41

for the better, I think, which is he gives the stone back to the people

Bee: 01:00:46

who back to the village that needs it because Indy is an archaeologist, right?

Bee: 01:00:51

He's an academic.

Bee: 01:00:52

He's an archaeologist and he's these movies are pretty Morally ambivalent about

Bee: 01:00:58

the colonialism of archaeology and is

Nathan: 01:01:02

there ever a doubt he was gonna return the stone if he got it?

Bee: 01:01:05

No, but I think, like the British led Indian armed forces save

Bee: 01:01:10

the day at the end of this movie.

Bee: 01:01:12

And I just think it's You know, the movie doesn't really care about those things

Bee: 01:01:17

or explore those themes at all, but it's the nature of Indian Jones is that he

Bee: 01:01:21

goes into these places, he takes these idols, and then he brings them back to

Bee: 01:01:24

his European museums, his Western museums.

Bee: 01:01:28

However, whatever you think about that or feel about that's, what he's doing, but

Bee: 01:01:32

he gives it back at the end of this and he says, Hey, there'll be another day.

Bee: 01:01:34

And I just thought that was a nice character moment for him.

Bee: 01:01:38

Speaking

Sam: 01:01:39

of the British.

Sam: 01:01:40

Oh, no.

Sam: 01:01:40

Go ahead, Anthony.

Sam: 01:01:42

Just to button that

Anthony: 01:01:43

in defense of Indy in this moment, most of the other artifacts

Anthony: 01:01:47

he's going has gone after to this point are ones by civilizations that

Anthony: 01:01:52

don't really aren't around anymore.

Anthony: 01:01:54

There are other people going after them.

Anthony: 01:01:56

The Ark of the Covenant and all that aren't using, but this in a world

Anthony: 01:02:00

where this sort of magic is real.

Anthony: 01:02:03

And this tribe of folks, this village, is using these stones for a purpose,

Anthony: 01:02:09

for their crops and their world.

Anthony: 01:02:11

So it's not that this stone is just something that people are

Anthony: 01:02:14

trying to get for modern use.

Anthony: 01:02:15

It's not a relic.

Anthony: 01:02:17

It's not a relic.

Anthony: 01:02:17

It's a modern jewel.

Outro: 01:02:22

That's a good point, yeah.

Sam: 01:02:24

And I totally hear you.

Sam: 01:02:24

It makes no attempt to analyze the like time periods or like the Not at

Sam: 01:02:28

all, but I do love the that's fine.

Sam: 01:02:30

Speaking of it doesn't have to British imperialism Colonel or

Sam: 01:02:33

General Bloomberg, that British actor.

Sam: 01:02:35

Blum I do the end John Williams is somewhat imperialistic and like when

Sam: 01:02:41

the British show up at the very end.

Sam: 01:02:43

I love John Williams.

Sam: 01:02:44

He's like overjoyed.

Sam: 01:02:45

He's Shoot them if they won, just like straightforward, like flat adventure.

Sam: 01:02:50

But that, tonality, amusing wise I

Bee: 01:02:53

love the scores of both of these movies.

Bee: 01:02:56

I was jamming out on the ferry ride to work today.

Sam: 01:02:59

I do love the score.

Sam: 01:03:01

I think my favorite musical cue in the whole movie is like, they're just leaving

Sam: 01:03:05

the village and then it the camera pushes in on the priest and he's just like

Sam: 01:03:09

standing there wishing them good luck.

Sam: 01:03:10

Then it cuts to this wide shot of them on the elephants crossing a river and John

Sam: 01:03:16

Williams theme just explodes until we're heading to Pancot Palace adventure mode.

Sam: 01:03:21

Amazing.

Sam: 01:03:22

Who knew

Anthony: 01:03:23

that the lead singer of Toto's Dad was so talented?

Anthony: 01:03:26

I know.

Anthony: 01:03:28

No, Joe Williams dad is just amazing.

Anthony: 01:03:31

It's true.

Anthony: 01:03:35

Is that something you knew, Nathan?

Nathan: 01:03:39

No, I didn't.

Nathan: 01:03:40

I was trying to act smart and not say anything.

Anthony: 01:03:43

Ah, you you know so much about music.

Anthony: 01:03:45

I figured that's one that I wouldn't be able to get you.

Nathan: 01:03:49

That slipped by.

Nathan: 01:03:51

I only

Anthony: 01:03:52

learned that a couple of months ago and I was blown away.

Nathan: 01:03:56

Anything else here to, I made a couple dumb notes here that

Nathan: 01:04:01

you guys are going to shout at me.

Nathan: 01:04:03

I think the entire mind chase.

Nathan: 01:04:05

at the end is great, but it's also unnecessary because they're

Nathan: 01:04:08

told by the young Maharaja, you must take the tunnel on the left.

Nathan: 01:04:11

No, they just had to go out the front door like all the other kids.

Nathan: 01:04:15

I made that note.

Nathan: 01:04:17

The Maharaja

Bee: 01:04:18

reminded me of the Imperial being in the Neverending Story.

Bee: 01:04:22

Maharaja is actually played

Nathan: 01:04:22

by a girl.

Nathan: 01:04:24

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:04:25

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:04:28

Yep.

Nathan: 01:04:29

And what do you, okay, I have one other note here and we're

Nathan: 01:04:33

probably going backwards here.

Nathan: 01:04:35

I think B, you mentioned this early in your review.

Nathan: 01:04:38

After the dinner, Indy and Willie start this flirting and they what the hell?

Nathan: 01:04:46

I, there's no, Sure.

Nathan: 01:04:49

There's no sex ritual that's built up at all.

Nathan: 01:04:52

Least I observed in this and I just,

Bee: 01:04:56

I, it reminded me, have you seen the movie from the fifties Pillow Talk?

Nathan: 01:05:01

No, I know of it.

Bee: 01:05:04

It's the same kind of, not so chemistry.

Bee: 01:05:10

Yeah, it's, I just, I was glad we got another mirror scene, a

Bee: 01:05:14

different kind of mirror scene.

Bee: 01:05:15

I thought that was fun.

Bee: 01:05:16

. No, whatever, they're two horny hot adults in a palace.

Bee: 01:05:18

Yeah, they're

Sam: 01:05:19

both stuck in a palace what are you, what are they gonna do?

Sam: 01:05:21

Any kind of Have drugs for dinner,

Nathan: 01:05:23

give them a break.

Nathan: 01:05:24

If there was some, if there was just a kernel of sexual attention

Nathan: 01:05:28

that was planted somewhere I love it because it tell

Bee: 01:05:32

Neither of them are as attracted to other people as they are themselves.

Bee: 01:05:36

And Spielberg and Lucas just give them a mirror and that's it.

Bee: 01:05:41

It's perfect.

Bee: 01:05:42

I loved it.

Nathan: 01:05:43

I don't know, but if you're going to have them bickering for 30

Nathan: 01:05:45

minutes, you got to Plant some seed.

Nathan: 01:05:48

It was not 30 minutes.

Sam: 01:05:50

It was like six.

Sam: 01:05:51

I was like timing the movie last night.

Sam: 01:05:53

Like it's not 30 minutes.

Nathan: 01:05:55

Six minutes.

Nathan: 01:05:56

They, that scene has got to be 30 minutes.

Nathan: 01:05:58

Cause right before they go into the temple.

Nathan: 01:06:00

No, it's six

Sam: 01:06:02

minutes.

Sam: 01:06:02

And then the other 15 minutes is the spikes and the bugs

Sam: 01:06:06

and there's a whole set piece.

Anthony: 01:06:07

You've never fallen into bed with someone that you yourself

Anthony: 01:06:10

thought you didn't, couldn't stand.

Anthony: 01:06:12

Until you're kissing.

Sam: 01:06:17

You think you also couldn't run out the front door.

Sam: 01:06:20

The minecart chase was necessary because of some reason they explained in the

Sam: 01:06:24

plot, but I can't remember right now, but I get back to you on that one.

Nathan: 01:06:28

No, I'm glad the minecart chases in this, but I think it's, I think like,

Nathan: 01:06:31

why didn't they just go out the front?

Nathan: 01:06:32

Why not?

Nathan: 01:06:33

All the other kids could do it, but

Bee: 01:06:34

I was I enjoyed the minecart chase, but there was some small itch in the back

Bee: 01:06:37

of my brain that was so cynical about the.

Bee: 01:06:41

like merchandising of this film.

Bee: 01:06:43

I was like, Oh, I'm probably setting up a ride.

Nathan: 01:06:53

So have you not been to Disney's like Indiana Jones ride?

Nathan: 01:06:58

No.

Nathan: 01:06:59

Oh my God.

Bee: 01:07:00

No.

Nathan: 01:07:00

It's not a mine cart ride, but you're in like a

Nathan: 01:07:02

Jeep and it's really cool.

Bee: 01:07:05

Zero encounters with Indiana Jones in my life, except for, I knew he wore a hat.

Sam: 01:07:10

You almost get hit by the boulder in the ride.

Sam: 01:07:12

Like you think you're going to, then you go like underneath it.

Sam: 01:07:14

Yeah.

Sam: 01:07:15

That's pretty cool.

Sam: 01:07:15

That's pretty fun.

Nathan: 01:07:17

It's pretty

Sam: 01:07:17

good.

Sam: 01:07:17

It's pretty good.

Sam: 01:07:18

It's pretty good.

Sam: 01:07:19

Yeah.

Sam: 01:07:19

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:07:20

Yep.

Nathan: 01:07:21

I got anything else to say?

Nathan: 01:07:24

Booby.

Nathan: 01:07:24

The booby trap room is a great set piece also.

Nathan: 01:07:26

That's,

Sam: 01:07:27

I, yeah.

Sam: 01:07:28

I

Bee: 01:07:29

love that Spielberg loves that set piece.

Bee: 01:07:30

Dude, that's one of

Sam: 01:07:31

his favorite set pieces in the whole series.

Sam: 01:07:33

He does mention that.

Sam: 01:07:34

So I that was, yeah.

Sam: 01:07:35

That

Bee: 01:07:35

was so gripping.

Bee: 01:07:38

Yeah.

Bee: 01:07:38

Nathan, how did you feel with

Anthony: 01:07:40

comedy in that?

Bee: 01:07:41

Oh, I thought that was funny when he's come on, just pull the lever.

Bee: 01:07:44

And she's it's good.

Bee: 01:07:45

That's it.

Bee: 01:07:46

When she bumps the thing

Nathan: 01:07:48

and it resets everything again, like the code is the best part.

Nathan: 01:07:52

No, I liked it.

Bee: 01:07:53

No, it wasn't.

Bee: 01:07:54

It wasn't that it was just, it was really just the huge set pieces that

Bee: 01:07:58

went on for a long time and just kept, I think the plane and some of the,

Bee: 01:08:04

my card, I was just like, Oh my God.

Anthony: 01:08:06

So B, just for clarification, are you with me

Anthony: 01:08:08

and Sam or are you with Nathan?

Anthony: 01:08:12

There's no team.

Anthony: 01:08:13

I'm firmly

Bee: 01:08:14

in the middle.

Bee: 01:08:14

I'm a three star,

Outro: 01:08:15

man.

Sam: 01:08:16

You just reminded me of of the dwarf and the hobbit and they're like, will

Sam: 01:08:21

you have peace or will you have war?

Sam: 01:08:22

And he's I will have

Outro: 01:08:23

war!

Bee: 01:08:24

War!

Bee: 01:08:26

No, I think.

Bee: 01:08:27

I think where I'm different, I would watch this movie again.

Bee: 01:08:30

And I think going in knowing what it is, I would watch it when I'm

Bee: 01:08:35

in the mood for that type of movie.

Bee: 01:08:38

I think if I'm in the mood for a big adventure movie, No, if

Bee: 01:08:44

I'm in the mood for an action y, big budget kind of movie, sure.

Anthony: 01:08:50

I'm hoping, I'm just trying to sway you to our side because I

Anthony: 01:08:52

want Nathan to go to bed tonight questioning his life choices, thinking

Anthony: 01:08:57

he's made a mistake, and that he

Trailer: 01:08:59

should

Anthony: 01:08:59

give this credit.

Nathan: 01:09:00

Anthony, you don't need to sway any, do anything for

Nathan: 01:09:03

me to think that already, okay?

Nathan: 01:09:05

Every night.

Bee: 01:09:05

I took some notes while I was watching this and.

Bee: 01:09:09

I just have a note that says the temple kills go so hard.

Bee: 01:09:13

They go so hard, and I, that's positive.

Bee: 01:09:17

I thought that was nice.

Bee: 01:09:18

Yeah, those things are rough when the guy gets crushed by those boulders.

Bee: 01:09:23

I also like that they show what happens in the lava cage

Bee: 01:09:26

before they do it to Whitley.

Sam: 01:09:28

Yes.

Sam: 01:09:28

So you're

Bee: 01:09:29

like,

Sam: 01:09:29

oh shit.

Bee: 01:09:31

I do love it when that guy

Sam: 01:09:33

like falls off the back of the mine or falls in the tracks and the

Sam: 01:09:36

other cart hits it and they go flying.

Sam: 01:09:38

To me that was always like a whomp by the luamp like woohoo!

Bee: 01:09:42

It's fucking brutal man.

Bee: 01:09:45

And the alligators, those alligators ate well that day.

Bee: 01:09:48

And

Anthony: 01:09:49

that bridge scene I look at

Trailer: 01:09:50

the

Sam: 01:09:55

bridge was that was an, and that was all real.

Sam: 01:09:57

That bridge was there and Spielberg refused to cross it because he was

Sam: 01:10:01

afraid of he didn't want to do it.

Sam: 01:10:03

And Harrison Ford just ran across it, built the bridge.

Sam: 01:10:06

Like they got the local military to build it with all these supports.

Sam: 01:10:09

Like it was the safest bridge ever.

Sam: 01:10:12

And then they detonated it.

Sam: 01:10:13

With like wire cutting explosives and they had they had dummies on

Sam: 01:10:18

the bridge that were mechanical that would like their heads would move.

Sam: 01:10:21

And so when they're falling off the bridge, that's why the people look real.

Sam: 01:10:23

Cause they're like, moving.

Sam: 01:10:25

But then when you see the making of the scenes and they all fall on

Sam: 01:10:27

the river, it's hilarious because the dummies are still turned on.

Sam: 01:10:31

So the fall should have killed them.

Sam: 01:10:32

And you just see them like flapping around in the water, turn them off,

Nathan: 01:10:36

I think about Mullah Rahm's fall afterwards and That didn't look great.

Nathan: 01:10:41

Didn't look good.

Nathan: 01:10:42

But you know what?

Nathan: 01:10:42

I compare, I can't, I have to compare movies, but what if he had fallen

Nathan: 01:10:46

like Hans Gruber does in Die Hard?

Nathan: 01:10:48

Would that have been better?

Nathan: 01:10:48

If you saw this slow descent?

Sam: 01:10:50

It would have been cool, but Even though it looks, it totally looks fake.

Sam: 01:10:53

The fact that they have like a camera move in the fall, like

Sam: 01:10:57

following him, like usually in the eighties, they just have static Matt

Sam: 01:11:01

shots where someone like recedes.

Sam: 01:11:02

And so I liked the effort.

Sam: 01:11:04

It's one of those things where it doesn't look real, but I applaud

Sam: 01:11:07

what they were like trying to do.

Sam: 01:11:09

That's more grace than I give it.

Bee: 01:11:12

That's more grace than I give it.

Bee: 01:11:13

I do think there's so many relentless kills and so many long set pieces

Bee: 01:11:18

in this movie that it's a little underwhelming when the big baddie dies.

Bee: 01:11:23

It's just yeah, it's like, all right, we had to get, it's takes a minute.

Bee: 01:11:26

I do love

Sam: 01:11:26

it when he jumps, when he bounces off that rock, when he's falling

Sam: 01:11:29

and it's he flies out of the frame.

Sam: 01:11:30

I always liked that.

Sam: 01:11:31

It's like the guy hitting the propeller in Titanic,

Anthony: 01:11:34

one thing I learned was.

Anthony: 01:11:36

The the big dude that Indy fought was the same, played by the same guy from the

Anthony: 01:11:41

propeller, propeller plane in Raiders.

Anthony: 01:11:44

Same Mack.

Anthony: 01:11:44

Oh, no way.

Anthony: 01:11:45

I had, I never knew that.

Nathan: 01:11:47

I didn't realize that although that's Pat Roach who played several

Nathan: 01:11:51

characters, he plays the big thuggy and I think in Temple of Doom, and he plays

Nathan: 01:11:57

the guy that gets caught up in the fan.

Nathan: 01:12:00

As well, that was where he's wearing some blackface.

Sam: 01:12:06

That's where Harrison Ford where he, when he's like flipping him over his

Sam: 01:12:09

back, that's when he herniated his back in that middle of that action scene.

Sam: 01:12:14

Must

Nathan: 01:12:15

have been

Sam: 01:12:15

fable.

Nathan: 01:12:15

There he Spielberg was known for casting multiple actors in a couple roles.

Nathan: 01:12:20

Because even in Raiders, the the actor who, not Alfred Molina, but the other

Nathan: 01:12:25

guy that they're on the expedition with in that movie, the guy that

Nathan: 01:12:29

betrays him, that he turns around and whips the gun out of his hand.

Nathan: 01:12:32

He is, It's the guy that has the monkey on his, the chimpanzee on his shoulder.

Nathan: 01:12:39

Same actor.

Nathan: 01:12:40

Oh wow.

Nathan: 01:12:41

You didn't have to clarify

Outro: 01:12:42

that it wasn't

Bee: 01:12:43

Alfred Molina because when Alfred Molina comes on screen, I know.

Bee: 01:12:46

I know.

Bee: 01:12:46

You're not fooling me.

Nathan: 01:12:47

But it's the other guy.

Sam: 01:12:50

I can see not recognizing Pat Roach at all, cause like when he's

Sam: 01:12:54

in Temple, he has the turban and it's completely covered up and then in

Sam: 01:12:57

Raiders he's bald and he's like in the

Nathan: 01:12:58

And spoiler alert, Pat Roach is in Last Crusade, but a very small role.

Nathan: 01:13:04

Their idea was for him to have a much bigger role in that

Nathan: 01:13:07

movie, but it got cut out.

Nathan: 01:13:09

But you'll see him.

Nathan: 01:13:10

Imagine me and

Bee: 01:13:10

Pat Roach like this.

Bee: 01:13:11

He's a Nazi.

Bee: 01:13:12

He's a Nazi.

Bee: 01:13:12

He's a Nazi.

Nathan: 01:13:13

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:13:13

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:13:15

Okay.

Nathan: 01:13:15

I think we can take a break and we'll get to our vault decisions

Nathan: 01:13:20

on this as soon as I pull this up.

Nathan: 01:13:25

All right.

Nathan: 01:13:25

Thanks everyone for joining our transmission.

Nathan: 01:13:28

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Nathan: 01:13:30

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Nathan: 01:13:33

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Nathan: 01:13:37

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Nathan: 01:13:40

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Nathan: 01:13:44

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Nathan: 01:13:47

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Nathan: 01:14:00

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Nathan: 01:14:03

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Nathan: 01:14:08

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Nathan: 01:14:13

Okay.

Nathan: 01:14:14

Let's get to our verdict on this, our decision.

Nathan: 01:14:19

So B.

Nathan: 01:14:21

Is Temple of Doom a movie that needs to be saved into our vault

Nathan: 01:14:28

into the post apocalyptic times to be seen for this few generations?

Nathan: 01:14:35

No.

Bee: 01:14:36

Not Raiders.

Bee: 01:14:37

Hell yeah.

Nathan: 01:14:42

Okay.

Nathan: 01:14:43

Anthony, you get a vote.

Nathan: 01:14:48

You're a guest, so you always get a vote.

Nathan: 01:14:50

I'm trying to tell our, being Sam that, especially Sam here, because

Nathan: 01:14:53

he likes to save everything.

Nathan: 01:14:56

Because he thinks it's just like a big hard drive.

Nathan: 01:14:58

It's not.

Nathan: 01:14:59

It's, 35 and 70 millimeter prints.

Nathan: 01:15:02

And it's only like the size of this room, I'm trying to tell him.

Nathan: 01:15:04

So we can only save so many movies.

Nathan: 01:15:07

No.

Anthony: 01:15:12

No.

Anthony: 01:15:13

All right.

Anthony: 01:15:13

No, I can't believe I'm saying no, but if that's the scenario and

Anthony: 01:15:18

that's the size, it's a film credit.

Anthony: 01:15:20

It

Nathan: 01:15:20

is.

Nathan: 01:15:21

We only saved so many.

Nathan: 01:15:23

High stakes.

Nathan: 01:15:25

Okay, Sam?

Sam: 01:15:27

I would save it because I like the variety, and I like the variety

Sam: 01:15:30

of Indiana Jones, and I know you're getting your gleeful evil moment, Nathan,

Sam: 01:15:34

and enjoy it while it lasts, cause you'll lose friends one day, anyway.

Sam: 01:15:38

I'll put

Trailer: 01:15:39

it

Sam: 01:15:40

in

Trailer: 01:15:40

the ballpark.

Nathan: 01:15:42

Smiling

Sam: 01:15:42

bastard.

Nathan: 01:15:43

What

Sam: 01:15:44

if I say yes,

Nathan: 01:15:46

just to, no for all the reasons I've mentioned before, I

Nathan: 01:15:50

have major issues with the tone and the writing of this movie.

Nathan: 01:15:53

And it's, I think there's a much better films in this franchise and

Nathan: 01:15:57

we're going to be watching them

Nathan: 01:16:00

at least one more.

Nathan: 01:16:05

So no.

Nathan: 01:16:06

And.

Nathan: 01:16:07

One vote out of four does not cut the mustard, so

Nathan: 01:16:15

Never to be watched again by anyone.

Sam: 01:16:19

I feel like I let Sam

Nathan: 01:16:20

down.

Sam: 01:16:22

Nah, you didn't, man.

Sam: 01:16:24

You just gave Nathan his He's been looking forward to this.

Sam: 01:16:28

You gave him his evil moment where he's I take

Nathan: 01:16:30

no pleasure.

Nathan: 01:16:31

I take no pleasure.

Sam: 01:16:33

see it in your eyes.

Sam: 01:16:34

I see the evil glee.

Sam: 01:16:36

No, I'm just kidding.

Nathan: 01:16:37

Of course.

Nathan: 01:16:37

We saved the great outdoors, Sam.

Nathan: 01:16:39

We did.

Nathan: 01:16:40

Oh, wait a minute.

Anthony: 01:16:41

Wait a minute.

Anthony: 01:16:42

Wait a minute.

Anthony: 01:16:43

Wait a minute.

Anthony: 01:16:43

I wasn't there

Bee: 01:16:44

for that episode.

Bee: 01:16:45

I want to be clear.

Bee: 01:16:46

I was out sick.

Anthony: 01:16:48

But save the great outdoors?

Anthony: 01:16:50

I'm changing my vote.

Anthony: 01:16:52

Yeah,

Sam: 01:16:52

there's plenty of room.

Sam: 01:16:53

But even

Bee: 01:16:53

if It doesn't matter if you change your vote, Anthony.

Bee: 01:16:55

It's still not a majority.

Sam: 01:16:58

It's a tie, it's

Nathan: 01:16:59

a tie.

Sam: 01:16:59

It

Nathan: 01:17:00

doesn't matter.

Bee: 01:17:01

It doesn't matter.

Bee: 01:17:02

It's an S& E majority.

Nathan: 01:17:03

What?

Nathan: 01:17:04

Who do you think we're going to take this to Harris?

Bee: 01:17:07

Oh, I'm sorry.

Bee: 01:17:08

Are we going to take this to Florida for a hanging Chad?

Bee: 01:17:10

No, you're fine.

Bee: 01:17:12

It's a tie.

Anthony: 01:17:13

The great outdoors.

Nathan: 01:17:18

It was two people on that podcast though, wow.

Nathan: 01:17:22

If you had shown up, I think it still may have gotten in.

Anthony: 01:17:25

Absolutely.

Anthony: 01:17:25

Sounds like you stacked the deck.

Nathan: 01:17:29

Yeah.

Bee: 01:17:30

Fishing with the right bait.

Bee: 01:17:31

Ernest goes to

Nathan: 01:17:32

camp, did not go in, even though I think Sam said yes,

Sam: 01:17:35

I'm going to say no to every other Indiana Jones film now.

Nathan: 01:17:38

Okay.

Sam: 01:17:39

It's just, there's not enough space.

Sam: 01:17:41

Like you said, it's the size of the room.

Sam: 01:17:43

If you go by that logic, there's no space.

Nathan: 01:17:45

Sam, are you crying?

Nathan: 01:17:46

I see you wiping them out.

Nathan: 01:17:47

I am.

Nathan: 01:17:47

I'm weeping.

Sam: 01:17:48

I'm weeping.

Sam: 01:17:48

I'm weeping tears right now, yeah.

Sam: 01:17:50

No, actually, my eyes are itching me.

Nathan: 01:17:52

Okay,

Opening: 01:17:52

alright.

Bee: 01:17:55

Sam's I'm just allergic to your bullshit opinions.

Bee: 01:17:56

I'm

Nathan: 01:17:59

so sorry.

Nathan: 01:18:04

Alright.

Nathan: 01:18:04

Let's do a quick movie pairings.

Nathan: 01:18:09

I have my bumper here.

Nathan: 01:18:10

Sir?

Bumper: 01:18:12

Sir?

Bumper: 01:18:14

Aren't either one of these any good?

Bumper: 01:18:16

I don't watch movies.

Bumper: 01:18:17

Have you heard anything about either one of them?

Bumper: 01:18:20

I find it's best to stay out of other people's affairs.

Bumper: 01:18:23

You mean you haven't heard anybody say anything about either one of these?

Bumper: 01:18:27

Nope.

Bumper: 01:18:28

What about these two?

Bumper: 01:18:30

They suck.

Nathan: 01:18:31

Alright, movie pairings this week.

Nathan: 01:18:32

This is where each of us will pick a movie as a double feature with

Nathan: 01:18:37

Indiana Jones and then Temple of Doom.

Nathan: 01:18:39

This can go in any direction.

Nathan: 01:18:40

You could do another action movie or another movie with Harrison Ford.

Nathan: 01:18:43

It could be, it's wide open.

Nathan: 01:18:44

Whatever you want to do.

Nathan: 01:18:46

Let's begin with B.

Bee: 01:18:48

I changed mine at the last minute.

Bee: 01:18:50

I'm watching you

Nathan: 01:18:51

on the Google document.

Nathan: 01:18:52

I'm swooping

Bee: 01:18:53

in.

Bee: 01:18:53

I'm changing it.

Bee: 01:18:54

Because our conversation got me thinking.

Bee: 01:18:57

1952, Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner travel to Kilimanjaro.

Bee: 01:19:02

The Snows of Kilimanjaro, based on the Hemingway novel way

Bee: 01:19:06

better than the Hemingway book, I think way less dark, anyway.

Bee: 01:19:10

No, I think it's great.

Bee: 01:19:12

It's it's beautiful to look at.

Bee: 01:19:13

It's wonderfully shot.

Bee: 01:19:14

But if you are into indie for the adventure aspect, if you're into indie

Bee: 01:19:20

for the sort of super spicy, flash in a pan romances, if you're into Indy 4.

Bee: 01:19:27

The challenge of man versus nature and man versus his own demons.

Bee: 01:19:32

This is great.

Bee: 01:19:33

This ticks a lot of boxes for me.

Bee: 01:19:35

I might say it's the better movie of the two, but watch both, you decide.

Bee: 01:19:39

It's on VOD.

Bee: 01:19:41

It can be a little bit hard to find, but I watched it recently on Prime.

Bee: 01:19:43

I think I can rent it for a couple bucks, but well

Nathan: 01:19:46

worth.

Nathan: 01:19:47

I have never seen this.

Nathan: 01:19:49

It's great.

Nathan: 01:19:50

All right.

Nathan: 01:19:51

Wow.

Nathan: 01:19:54

I want to see this.

Nathan: 01:19:54

Great.

Nathan: 01:19:55

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:19:57

Sam, you got some?

Nathan: 01:19:58

Or Anthony, let's go to you.

Nathan: 01:19:59

Anthony, you got something?

Nathan: 01:20:00

You got I think a variety four.

Anthony: 01:20:02

I do have four, so I'll give it to you.

Anthony: 01:20:04

Gotta pick one.

Anthony: 01:20:05

You wanna fight?

Anthony: 01:20:06

Nathan can pick of the four then I can't.

Anthony: 01:20:08

All right.

Anthony: 01:20:09

It's Gungadin, which was a influence on Temple of Doom.

Anthony: 01:20:13

So if you want to go to the DNA of Temple of Doom and bring

Anthony: 01:20:16

one of the influences to it.

Anthony: 01:20:19

Youngin African Queen.

Anthony: 01:20:21

The African Queen, The Remlins, or Poltergeist.

Anthony: 01:20:24

Two films that everyone thinks Steven Spielberg directed

Anthony: 01:20:26

and he did not, but he did.

Anthony: 01:20:29

Exactly.

Anthony: 01:20:30

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:20:33

Oh I'm familiar with, I don't know Gunga Din, but I

Nathan: 01:20:37

know obviously the other two.

Nathan: 01:20:38

It's a lot

Bee: 01:20:39

like Templeton.

Bee: 01:20:40

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:20:40

All right.

Nathan: 01:20:41

Great.

Nathan: 01:20:42

Sam, what do you got?

Sam: 01:20:44

Less horry and more action y, but I would definitely for if you're,

Sam: 01:20:48

came out the same year, if you're in the mood for another action eighties

Sam: 01:20:51

adventure with globe trotting and set pieces, I would, and charismatic

Sam: 01:20:57

characters, I would recommend Romancing the Stone, Robert Zemeckis film.

Bee: 01:21:02

Hell yeah.

Sam: 01:21:02

And if you could

Bee: 01:21:03

time travel, you could do that actual double feature in the theater.

Nathan: 01:21:07

That's true.

Nathan: 01:21:08

That is true.

Nathan: 01:21:09

You could have.

Bee: 01:21:10

That would be fun.

Nathan: 01:21:12

And B, you still don't believe that Jewel Nile is a real movie?

Outro: 01:21:16

What?

Outro: 01:21:16

No, that's some bullshit.

Outro: 01:21:17

Sega game, don't lie to me.

Sam: 01:21:21

Jewel of Wait.

Sam: 01:21:21

Jewel Nile is real.

Sam: 01:21:22

That's the sequel.

Bee: 01:21:24

She doesn't believe us.

Bee: 01:21:25

No, it's not.

Bee: 01:21:26

It's just, it's a Sega Fever dream you had on.

Bee: 01:21:29

It's got a good it's got a good set

Sam: 01:21:30

piece with an F 18 in it, or like they're stuck in some plane or something.

Sam: 01:21:33

No,

Bee: 01:21:33

it does Everything you're saying sounds like a movie.

Bee: 01:21:36

That's, that your characters in the movie are watching.

Bee: 01:21:39

It's not real.

Sam: 01:21:40

It's not as good as the first one, but I'll give it that.

Nathan: 01:21:43

Is do you know where Romance in the Stone might be streaming?

Nathan: 01:21:45

Or is it just on VOD now?

Nathan: 01:21:47

Do you know?

Sam: 01:21:48

Oh, I'm not sure.

Sam: 01:21:49

Let me check.

Sam: 01:21:49

It looks like it would be on Amazon Prime.

Nathan: 01:21:54

All right.

Nathan: 01:21:55

Cool.

Nathan: 01:21:56

My movie pairing this week, I decided to pick a film that I feel that

Nathan: 01:22:01

Spielberg and Lucas looked at as a major influence in this franchise, especially

Nathan: 01:22:05

this film, probably Raiders as well.

Nathan: 01:22:06

I'm going with the mummy from 1932.

Nathan: 01:22:10

There are, there's several versions of the story that have been adapted to the

Nathan: 01:22:14

screen, and I do like the Brendan Fraser.

Nathan: 01:22:16

Film from the late nineties.

Nathan: 01:22:18

This one is directed by Carl, friend, German.

Nathan: 01:22:23

Thanks.

Nathan: 01:22:23

Thanks, Sam.

Nathan: 01:22:25

Assuming that's you he only directed a handful of films, but was he

Nathan: 01:22:28

was a trailblazing cinematographer of the twenties and thirties.

Nathan: 01:22:32

And I was reading about him.

Nathan: 01:22:33

I, it looks like he was the first cam operator who began using a camera free.

Nathan: 01:22:40

Using a camera free from a tripod mount.

Nathan: 01:22:42

He would walk around the set and shoot scenes with the

Nathan: 01:22:44

camera strapped to his stomach.

Nathan: 01:22:46

So if you really think about it, he was the first guy to use a Steadicam.

Nathan: 01:22:50

So that's pretty cool.

Nathan: 01:22:51

That's neat.

Nathan: 01:22:52

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:22:52

The Mummy came a year out after Frankenstein.

Nathan: 01:22:56

And I still think it's maybe, this might be my second favorite

Nathan: 01:22:59

of the Universal Monster movies.

Nathan: 01:23:01

I think Temple of Doom and The Mummy would make a great double

Nathan: 01:23:05

feature because you got that Temple of Doom is, by far the pulpiest.

Bee: 01:23:09

Universal Horror is a great choice for this.

Bee: 01:23:11

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:23:13

This Temple of Doom is like the pulpiest of the franchise.

Nathan: 01:23:17

And there's so many set pieces and characters and villains paying

Nathan: 01:23:21

homage to, I feel like, The Mummy.

Nathan: 01:23:23

And you've got the archaeological mysticism, the trap room,

Nathan: 01:23:27

especially, foreboding temples and that subterranean lairs.

Nathan: 01:23:31

It's, yeah it's a fun pairing.

Nathan: 01:23:33

And it's unfortunately though,

Bee: 01:23:35

what the nineties version has going forward is that

Bee: 01:23:38

everybody in that movie is hot.

Nathan: 01:23:41

Yeah, you could also go with that.

Nathan: 01:23:43

It'd be a good, but the mummy is ripping off this franchise.

Nathan: 01:23:47

That's the thing.

Nathan: 01:23:48

Yeah, it's all good.

Nathan: 01:23:51

It's all good stuff.

Nathan: 01:23:52

All good stuff.

Nathan: 01:23:53

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:23:54

So yeah, that's my pick.

Nathan: 01:23:57

All right.

Nathan: 01:23:58

Let us know anybody listening.

Nathan: 01:24:00

If you like our picks, if you might.

Nathan: 01:24:02

Pick any of these for a movie night.

Nathan: 01:24:04

All right.

Nathan: 01:24:06

Okay.

Nathan: 01:24:07

Last thing we'll do is weekly highlight.

Nathan: 01:24:09

If anybody wants to just mention anything that they watched or did this

Nathan: 01:24:13

past week, we didn't talk about this prior to hitting the record button.

Nathan: 01:24:17

So I don't know if anyone has anything they want to mention.

Sam: 01:24:21

Beetlejuice.

Sam: 01:24:22

Yeah.

Sam: 01:24:22

It was a lot of fun.

Sam: 01:24:23

I really enjoyed it.

Sam: 01:24:24

Second largest September box office ever.

Sam: 01:24:28

I was not expecting that impressive, huge numbers.

Nathan: 01:24:32

110 million, I think, around there.

Nathan: 01:24:34

Yeah.

Nathan: 01:24:34

It

Sam: 01:24:34

did well.

Bee: 01:24:35

I liked it.

Sam: 01:24:36

It's good.

Sam: 01:24:37

Enjoyed it.

Bee: 01:24:38

It's good.

Nathan: 01:24:43

I didn't really get to see, I saw a few things this week, but nothing

Nathan: 01:24:47

I really, it's worth checking out.

Nathan: 01:24:48

Mentioning.

Nathan: 01:24:50

Hey, one thing I will say, I'm almost done with my Robert Altman retrospective.

Nathan: 01:24:54

I got three films left.

Nathan: 01:24:55

That

Bee: 01:24:55

took some friggin commitment, man.

Nathan: 01:24:58

34 films.

Nathan: 01:24:59

Almost done.

Nathan: 01:25:01

Again, Anthony, I ask myself every night, what have I done with my life?

Bee: 01:25:04

They can't all be winners.

Nathan: 01:25:06

I know.

Nathan: 01:25:06

No, they're not.

Nathan: 01:25:07

Give us the David

Sam: 01:25:07

the Dome on Nick Jr.

Sam: 01:25:09

There's 25 episodes and there's a fox and there's, Fishes and there's trolls.

Sam: 01:25:13

It's pretty good.

Nathan: 01:25:15

But what I do want to share a quick story.

Nathan: 01:25:17

A week ago I was visiting my doctor and this is not a story about, Oh

Nathan: 01:25:20

my, my back or anything like that.

Nathan: 01:25:22

But he was, I have had this foot issue, but what he really wanted to ask me

Nathan: 01:25:27

aren't you the guy that does a podcast?

Nathan: 01:25:30

Cause you were mentioning that six months ago.

Nathan: 01:25:31

I don't remember doing that.

Nathan: 01:25:33

And he asked me, what's the name of your podcast?

Nathan: 01:25:37

And I tell him it's back to the frame rate.

Nathan: 01:25:39

And he says, I'm traveling to Maine next week, and I really

Nathan: 01:25:43

want to listen to something.

Nathan: 01:25:45

This is not my primary, but a specialist.

Nathan: 01:25:47

And he says, I don't really know how to use my iPhone.

Nathan: 01:25:51

And he hands it to me.

Nathan: 01:25:54

And can you get my, your podcast subscribed?

Nathan: 01:25:58

Can you subscribe to it on my iPhone?

Nathan: 01:25:59

So a doctor with all of his contacts and personal stuff on there hands

Nathan: 01:26:04

me his iPhone and I'm like going through it, subscribing our podcast.

Nathan: 01:26:10

That's awesome.

Nathan: 01:26:11

So it's just really funny that we, I guess our relationship is a little closer

Nathan: 01:26:16

than maybe doctor patient should, but I just, that was really funny that I ended

Nathan: 01:26:20

up subscribing our podcast to my doctor.

Nathan: 01:26:23

That's awesome.

Nathan: 01:26:24

Yeah.

Sam: 01:26:25

So go on to the notes section to see if he typed any banking

Sam: 01:26:29

codes or anything like that.

Bee: 01:26:31

I was going to say if he recruits like four more of his friends, we can

Bee: 01:26:34

say four out of five doctors recommend.

Nathan: 01:26:36

Oh, that'd be great.

Nathan: 01:26:38

Yes, if you're listening , I don't know.

Nathan: 01:26:39

But

Nathan: 01:26:42

that's all.

Nathan: 01:26:43

Not the best story, but I thought that I love it.

Nathan: 01:26:45

I got a kick outta that he trusts me enough to hand me over his phone.

Nathan: 01:26:49

I love it.

Nathan: 01:26:50

That's all I got.

Nathan: 01:26:52

I'll tell, I, I watched, I finally watched that Mark Wahlberg

Bee: 01:26:54

movie, Arthur the King with the dog where he's a runner.

Bee: 01:26:57

Oh, okay.

Bee: 01:26:58

Or like a triathlete.

Bee: 01:26:59

And he goes and wants it.

Bee: 01:27:00

It just, I.

Bee: 01:27:01

I had a movie day yesterday.

Bee: 01:27:04

I was watching Temple of Doom.

Bee: 01:27:05

I watched a bunch of, Temple of Doom, I watched a bunch of other movies and

Bee: 01:27:07

that was one of them and it weirdly just made Temple of Doom the second

Bee: 01:27:11

movie I saw that had like a scary bridge moment, which I just didn't expect.

Bee: 01:27:17

I should watched, should have watched the pairing.

Sam: 01:27:20

You should watched Bridge, you should have watched

Sam: 01:27:22

Bridge to Tara Bia after that.

Bee: 01:27:24

Oh man, that's a, oh wow.

Bee: 01:27:29

So fucking, that's a bummer.

Sam: 01:27:32

Because she drowns.

Bee: 01:27:34

Spoiler!

Sam: 01:27:36

Sorry!

Nathan: 01:27:38

Alright Jesus!

Nathan: 01:27:39

Next week we've got Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Anthony, Wh,

Nathan: 01:27:45

where, anything you want to plug?

Nathan: 01:27:48

Anything you want to mention where people can find you?

Nathan: 01:27:50

I think I had some

Anthony: 01:27:51

things but my mind went completely blank the minute you said

Anthony: 01:27:54

you were having problems with your Face.

Anthony: 01:27:55

foot.

Anthony: 01:27:56

I think I just like mentally shut down.

Nathan: 01:27:58

No,

Anthony: 01:28:05

I want to plug back to the frame rate.

Anthony: 01:28:08

Subscribe.

Anthony: 01:28:10

Share Nathan's podcast

Bee: 01:28:12

recommended by four out of five doctors in Massachusetts.

Bee: 01:28:19

Recommended by one out of two.

Nathan: 01:28:23

All my doctors to get on that page.

Nathan: 01:28:26

Best podcast

Sam: 01:28:27

ever.

Nathan: 01:28:29

Follow Anthony Ambrosino, all of his film endeavors.

Nathan: 01:28:33

He does good work and you can probably find everything he's done on IMDb.

Nathan: 01:28:38

Any, is there a website, Anthony or any people want to contact you?

Nathan: 01:28:43

It's fine.

Nathan: 01:28:44

Okay.

Anthony: 01:28:45

People want to contact me.

Anthony: 01:28:46

Give me a call.

Anthony: 01:28:51

I'm easy to find.

Nathan: 01:28:54

Sounds good.

Nathan: 01:28:58

All right, then that's it.

Nathan: 01:28:59

That's our show this week.

Nathan: 01:29:00

Back to the framerate is part of the Western media podcast network.

Nathan: 01:29:03

We wish to thank Brian Ellsworth for our show opening on behalf of all of us.

Nathan: 01:29:07

We bid you farewell from our fall shelter.

Nathan: 01:29:10

Your presence in our underground sanctuary is truly appreciated.

Nathan: 01:29:14

We are truly sorry.

Nathan: 01:29:14

You cannot join us.

Nathan: 01:29:16

But we want to express our gratitude for your company.

Nathan: 01:29:18

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Nathan: 01:29:21

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Nathan: 01:29:42

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Nathan: 01:29:44

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Nathan: 01:29:48

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Nathan: 01:29:53

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Nathan: 01:29:57

This is the end of our transmission back to the frame rate, signing off.

Opening: 01:30:19

I want you to know it's over.

Outro: 01:30:24

Well,

Outro: 01:30:27

bye.

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