We discuss the action-adventure blockbuster 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom', a film that sparked some controversy at the time. Our guest is film/television producer and director, Anthony Ambrosino. Find out if Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom finds salvation in our vault or is cast out into the impending fiery apocalypse.
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01:36 Introducing Special Guest Anthony Ambrosino
05:17 Four Questions with Anthony Ambrosino
19:53 Bee's Review
23:19 Anthony's Review
28:55 Sam's Review
35:50 Nathan's Review
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Nathan:I'm Nathan Shure and accompanying me are the extraordinary movie mavens, Brianna
Nathan:Butterworth, Sam Cole, and joining us as our special guest today is film and
Nathan:television producer, Anthony Ambrosino.
Nathan:Anthony Ambrosino is a Rhode Island based producer and director of film,
Nathan:television, and commercial projects.
Nathan:His films have premiered at some of the industry's top festivals, including
Nathan:the Toronto Film Festival and the Los Angeles Film Festival, among all Others
Nathan:in have garnered several awards while receiving worldwide distribution, both
Nathan:theatrically and through companies such as IFC Showtime Networks and HBO.
Nathan:Welcome to the podcast.
Anthony:for having me.
Anthony:And thank you for battling through that long bio.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Andy, you sent me like this huge thing, like I was like,
Nathan:nobody's ever done this before.
Nathan:And I guess I'll just read all this.
Nathan:No, that's really great.
Nathan:I know I'm really happy that you're joining us today, Anthony.
Nathan:I, we have known each other going back, I think to like 2008 and we've been friends
Nathan:a long time and I'm just really happy that you're joining us and I've respected
Nathan:you for a long time in this industry.
Nathan:You've done so much, really do look up to you as you've done so many projects that
Nathan:I Just want to say that right off the top.
Nathan:So
Anthony:I appreciate that.
Anthony:I think very highly of you and your work as well, sir.
Sam:So I just wanted to say and the reason we're all here is we're here
Sam:to discuss the 1993 film judgment night, starring Emilio Estevez.
Sam:And it's a thrill to be here.
Sam:I've always wanted to talk about this sleeper action hit.
Sam:Dennis Leary is a great villain.
Sam:So this is going to be a great conversation guys.
Bee:And later in the night, Hoopa Stank will be joining us.
Sam:I just
Anthony:lost all your listeners.
Nathan:But I'm impressed with everyone's ability to book
Nathan:all this talent without me.
Nathan:So
Nathan:anyways, talent in quotes anyways, so I, you know what I haven't done this
Nathan:week is it's been a very busy week.
Nathan:I don't have any creative question for our co hosts or guests this week.
Nathan:No, because it's been a busy week.
Nathan:It's been a week, it's been a week and I'm not gonna get into it, but we're gonna
Nathan:get right into our discussion and a review of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
Nathan:But before we do that, I just, I want to just, Anthony's here for
Nathan:a reason because we're, I think of similar vintages, I'll just say.
Nathan:And I just knew.
Nathan:That this was going to be a film that I think we have probably
Nathan:had a very similar experience.
Nathan:Cause I, cause we probably grew up with this movie and I had, and
Nathan:I have a feeling that you have a lot to say about this as do I.
Nathan:But I want to know, just Anthony, tell us a little bit about yourself and Who
Nathan:you are, what you do, and maybe a little bit about your relationship to this movie
Nathan:before, without really giving too much away about your review of this, but.
Nathan:Sure, I just asked three questions in once there.
Anthony:I'll do my best.
Anthony:You gave me like a bio, Anthony Biolength question.
Anthony:Child of the 80s I love the classics as I know you do as well.
Anthony:I.
Anthony:Like all genres of film so obscure French films to 90s rom coms.
Anthony:I don't care.
Anthony:I like them all.
Anthony:There's something to be found in every niche.
Anthony:My relationship to Temple of Doom is it was the first
Anthony:Indie film I saw in a theater.
Anthony:My uncle took me.
Nathan:You've already spoiled one of the questions.
Anthony:I have a special place in my heart for Temple of Doom.
Trailer:Okay.
Anthony:I'll save the rest of it.
Anthony:I have a lot.
Anthony:I have a fire hose of information I want to
Sam:Okay.
Sam:I did not know that was the first one you saw in the theater.
Sam:That's pretty epic.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Anthony, you've already answered my, cause I, what I have is a
Nathan:segment here called four questions, which I ask all of our guests here.
Nathan:And it's just so that the audience can get a little familiar with who you are.
Nathan:You've already answered the first question.
Nathan:No,
Anthony:it's not the first film I saw in a theater.
Anthony:It's the first Indiana Jones film I saw in a theater.
Nathan:Oh, okay.
Nathan:I'm sorry.
Nathan:I misunderstood.
Nathan:Let me ask you then, cause I want to get to our four questions here.
Nathan:This is the first movie you remember seeing in the theater.
Anthony:I believe it was E.
Anthony:T.
Anthony:two years prior to this.
Anthony:And I have vague memories of being terrified.
Anthony:And probably a lot more memories of hiding in the seat or in my mother's lap.
Anthony:Then the movie itself, so maybe it's probably 50 50 but I saw E.
Anthony:T., it was wonderful and terrifying.
Nathan:Yeah it's scary.
Nathan:It is, yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Incredible stuff,
Anthony:man.
Nathan:Yeah.
Anthony:And I didn't realize how scary it was until I showed it to my
Sam:kids.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:That movie's incredible.
Sam:It's my second, my favorite film Is Jaws, but E.
Sam:T.
Sam:Is number two.
Sam:They're like, they're both in the same place, but they oscillate.
Sam:I just, E.
Sam:T.
Sam:is incredible film.
Nathan:Anthony, what's it, what's the last movie that you watched?
Sam:Paycheck?
Sam:I'm doing my homework on this question.
Anthony:Paycheck?
Anthony:I
Nathan:can't believe you watched.
Anthony:I
Nathan:hope it is.
Anthony:Oh, does Temple of Doom count?
Nathan:I'd like to say besides Temple of Do, but you guess you could say that, but
Sam:that was the last movie I watched as well,
Sam:. Anthony: Yeah.
Sam:I thought that was, given, sorry, yesterday.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Geez, I think it was Inside Out two.
Sam:Okay.
Outro:What'd you think it was?
Outro:It was good.
Outro:Yeah.
Outro:Not as good
Bee:as the first one, but it was fine.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:I liked it.
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:It did its thing alright.
Sam:If I see Inside Out 2 on streaming instead of theatrically, am
Sam:I missing a grand experience, or will it perform just fine on streaming?
Nathan:It seems okay.
Nathan:It's fine.
Nathan:I took my kids.
Nathan:I had to
Sam:see it theatrically with the kids, that makes sense.
Sam:That's cool, though.
Sam:It's a huge, it was a huge hit.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah, I took my kids and my family to see it.
Nathan:They're all into their emotions.
Nathan:My oldest daughter very much relates to anxiety, so
Nathan:What is your Favorite movie if he had to say something right now today,
Nathan:and I know that's a hard question
Anthony:No, it's E.
Anthony:T.
Anthony:Okay, and I have a guilty pleasure favorite movie that we have seen the
Anthony:most in my life is better off dead.
Trailer:Oh, okay.
Anthony:Nice.
Anthony:So I've seen that hundreds of times.
Anthony:It's my guilty pleasure favorite movie, but E.
Anthony:T.
Anthony:is like my gun to my head.
Nathan:So I have not seen Better Off Dead, but a couple of weeks ago
Nathan:we watched on the show what's the director's name that did his follow up?
Anthony:One Crazy Summer.
Anthony:Yes, we watched One Crazy Summer,
Nathan:his follow up.
Nathan:That was pretty fun.
Nathan:What'd you think of that?
Nathan:If you haven't seen it.
Anthony:I love it, but Better Off Dead is a notch above, there's so
Anthony:much in common between the two, different characters, same tone, same
Anthony:everything, but yeah, both are good.
Anthony:A crazy plot parallels between One Crazy Summer and Summer Rental.
Anthony:The John Candy classic.
Bee:I've heard that.
Bee:Yeah.
Anthony:Yeah, they're both very, that'd be a great double feature.
Nathan:Alright, cool.
Nathan:Very cool.
Nathan:Anthony, what is a movie that you credit for turning you into a cinephile?
Anthony:Um, I would say more so than a cinephile, but that
Anthony:made me want to make movies.
Anthony:Would be Pulp Fiction.
Anthony:I saw Pulp Fiction six times in the theater.
Anthony:It revolutionized the way I looked at movies.
Anthony:I started looking into, I started thinking more about directors when that came out.
Anthony:And it's the movie that brought me into the movie world.
Anthony:It being more than just something to do on a Friday or Saturday night.
Anthony:It became
Anthony:its own Slice of life.
Anthony:So
Nathan:yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Great answers.
Nathan:Great answers.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:So thank you.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:So let's get into our discussion of Indiana Jones.
Nathan:I have a plot synopsis here.
Nathan:Intrepid archeologist.
Nathan:Indiana Jones on the trail of fortune and glory in old Shanghai is ricocheted
Nathan:into a dangerous adventure in India with his faithful companion, short round
Nathan:and nightclub singer, Willie Scott.
Nathan:Indy goes in search of the magical Sankara stone and uncovers an
Nathan:ancient evil, which threatens all who come into contact with it.
Nathan:And if for our people who can watch our podcast and he has his Sankara Stone.
Nathan:Thank you.
Nathan:Great prop there.
Nathan:And I'll just play a little bit of the trailer.
Anthony:If adventure has a name, it must be Indiana Jones.
Anthony:Dr.
Anthony:Jones found Noachi for me, and he's going to deliver him now.
Outro:Say,
Bumper:who is this?
Bumper:Put the gun away, Sonny.
Bumper:You're in for it!
Bumper:It shocks me.
Bumper:I'm
Trailer:a scientist.
Trailer:And what sort of research would you do on
Bumper:me?
Bumper:Nocturnal activities.
Bumper:What position would I like to sleep in?
Bumper:Mating customs.
Outro:So you're an authority in that area?
Outro:Alright,
Nathan:little clip from the trailer.
Nathan:And Sam, you got some movie facts for us?
Sam:Indeed I do, Nathan.
Sam:Indeed I do.
Sam:So let's see.
Sam:Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
Sam:I think at one point it was called Temple of Death and they actually changed that.
Sam:It's a 1984 American action adventure film directed by Steven Spielberg from
Sam:a script by Willard, excuse me Willard Yuck and Gloria Katz, who actually
Sam:worked with Lucas on American Graffiti.
Sam:The original screenwriter, Lawrence Kasdan, actually turned this film down.
Sam:And I don't know the story behind that.
Sam:Maybe he found the material too dark or it wasn't interested
Sam:or it was a scheduled thing.
Sam:Yes, yeah.
Sam:All
Nathan:of the
Sam:above Douglas Lacombe is returning as a cinematographer edited,
Sam:of course, by Spielberg's multiple times collaborator, Michael Kahn.
Sam:Music by John Williams.
Sam:And I must say personally, I love his score in this movie.
Sam:This came out on May 23rd, 1984 in the United States.
Sam:Its budget was 28 million, just over 28 million, and it
Sam:grossed 333 million worldwide.
Sam:So definitely a success.
Sam:This actually Lucas did not want to deal with Nazis again in the second story, and
Sam:so it was his idea to make this a prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark rather than a
Sam:sequel, so this takes place a year before the events in Raiders and let's see now.
Sam:PG 13 was created after this movie.
Sam:If you can believe it, this movie was rated PG, which is hilarious
Sam:to me because this movie is a hard PG 13 in modern times.
Sam:Like hard PG 13.
Sam:And so speaking of that, since
Nathan:you brought that up anyone here know what the first PG 13 movie was?
Bee:I did this morning and I've already forgotten it.
Bee:Okay.
Bee:What is it, Anthony?
Sam:Sam?
Sam:I do not know off the top of my head, actually.
Anthony:The Patrick Swayze film, Red Dawn?
Anthony:No way.
Nathan:Yeah.
Sam:That is a entertaining, slightly bizarre film.
Sam:It's it's like that movie is like a right wingers dream.
Sam:It's like guns fighting Russians in the mountains and like we're out
Sam:in our own building fires anyway.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Off topic.
Sam:But so to wrap it up.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:So Lawrence Kasdan was out this time.
Sam:PG 13 was created because of the movie, we just discussed that.
Sam:And actually, one thing I found interesting was in the editing process
Sam:Spielberg, when they watched the original cut, they thought it was
Sam:too fast and too short, so Spielberg went and added three minutes in to
Sam:slow the picture down a little bit.
Sam:Which I will definitely discuss in my review, because
Sam:I love the breakneck editing.
Sam:Speed of this movie, just the way it moves.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:But and yeah, any other facts?
Sam:That's the gist of what I got.
Sam:I could keep breaking.
Sam:I think it's also
Nathan:worth mentioning that in the middle of this filming, Harrison Ford got
Nathan:really, he injured his back and a lot of this movie is shot with a stunt double.
Trailer:And
Nathan:I think it's, I think it's really noticeable and how, and I
Nathan:think it really threw off the shooting schedule for this and that it feels
Nathan:like more chaotic because of that.
Sam:He was out for I think three to six weeks had this controversial,
Sam:new style operation performed on the like, herniated discs in the act.
Sam:Papaya
Trailer:enzymes!
Sam:Yeah, papaya enzymes.
Sam:The stunt guy, Vic Armstrong, It, he, they were gone, he was gone
Sam:for about I think three plus weeks, And it was in the third act scene.
Sam:Where he's fighting the bad guy on the conveyor belt that goes into the wheel.
Sam:Most of it's done in wide shots.
Sam:In fact, when Kate Capshaw hands Indy, she's like, Here, hit him with this.
Sam:That's totally the stuntman.
Sam:It's wide.
Sam:You can't see his face.
Sam:And they went back, they got Inserts of Harrison Ford, but the most glaring
Sam:part that I'll mention really quickly is when Indy is first imprisoned with
Sam:Kee Hee Kwan and they're like in that kind of like human cage like floating
Sam:up in the thing when Short round runs up to give Indy a hug It's like an
Sam:over the shoulder shot and you can see the guy the back of his head and
Sam:neck It is not Harrison Ford at all.
Sam:And once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Sam:It does not hurt the scene, but I'm just like, Nope, that is not him.
Nathan:Yeah.
Anthony:Yep.
Sam:Speaking
Anthony:of that duo, if you had told me that in the year 2024 to put money on
Anthony:which one of them would have an Academy award, my money would not have been
Trailer:short
Sam:round.
Sam:Amazing.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Unbelievable.
Sam:This is in Kiki Kwan and his future did in this feature debut, his first film.
Sam:Temple of Doom, which I love.
Sam:His intro's incredible, by the way.
Sam:When he just shows up in the car, like, when I was a kid, I just,
Sam:I was like, he was the coolest.
Sam:I like, looked up to him, I was like, Wow, he's going on an adventure with Dr.
Sam:Jones.
Sam:This is awesome.
Sam:I
Bee:was just finally excited that my small boy prophecy was right.
Anthony:Oh, yeah.
Anthony:What's the small boy prophecy?
Bee:Anthony, I had made a list last week because not only have I never
Bee:seen the Indiana Jones movies, I managed to go my entire life with zero
Bee:spoilers to the Indiana Jones movies.
Bee:So I wrote a small list of what I thought were in them and I was convinced.
Bee:I was like, I swore this, there was some like karate kid,
Bee:small child, protégé situation.
Bee:And I was like dumbfounded in Raiders when there was no children.
Bee:I felt a little Specifically,
Nathan:this franchise included whips and small boys, I remember.
Bee:Yeah, it did.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:That came up.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:And it does!
Nathan:And a
Bee:funky hat.
Sam:I also forgot to mention briefly, and Spielberg has said in many
Sam:interviews that this is his, of his, I think, just referring to the original
Sam:trilogy, his least favorite of his own indie films that he directed.
Sam:And, uh, it's interesting that he had a comment in terms of
Sam:the tone and the darkness.
Sam:And both he and Lucas, we're going through either marital or relationship
Sam:problems at the time, breakups.
Sam:And it's just to quote Spielberg talking about the tone of temple of doom.
Sam:He's we went too far.
Sam:We out poltered poltergeist, which I love that.
Sam:I love that.
Sam:I love that quote.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:They were
Nathan:in very dark places.
Anthony:Did he say that it was his least favorite of the original trilogy?
Anthony:Wait, did he say this previous?
Anthony:Post 2009 or
Sam:pre previous 2009.
Sam:I think he said it after, but he doesn't really talk about Crystal Skull.
Sam:Cause maybe he's yeah
Anthony:curious.
Nathan:I just want to throw in a few things about some of
Nathan:the awards and box office here.
Nathan:So this came out on May 23rd, 1984, went wide.
Nathan:Then debuted at number one in the box office made 25 million that week.
Nathan:Number two, that week was the natural made 6.
Nathan:9 million in his third week of release.
Nathan:Number three was breaking.
Nathan:Remember break in number 4.
Nathan:1 million in his fourth week of release number four.
Nathan:And I think this is pretty, this is cool because the movie that
Nathan:this movie is actually really a rip off of Raiders of the lost dark.
Nathan:And this is romancing.
Nathan:The stone was number four that week in its ninth week of release.
Nathan:Formerly I love romancing
Sam:the stone as well.
Sam:That movie's awesome.
Nathan:Number five this week was 16 candles.
Nathan:2.
Nathan:9 million.
Nathan:Number six was Police Academy, 2.
Nathan:8 million.
Nathan:Number seven was Firestarter, 2.
Nathan:4 million.
Nathan:Number eight was Splash in his 12th week of release, 2.
Nathan:1 million.
Nathan:Number nine was Footloose in his 15th week of release, 1.
Nathan:9
Trailer:million.
Nathan:I know.
Nathan:And number 10, movie I really love, I know you do.
Nathan:I think to Sam, we've talked about this, Greystoke, Legend of Tarzan.
Nathan:Have we talked about this?
Nathan:I don't think I've seen that movie.
Nathan:Oh, maybe I'm thinking something else.
Nathan:Maybe I'm thinking something else.
Nathan:But I really do like that movie.
Nathan:I saw that in the theater as well.
Nathan:The box office
Bee:has changed so much.
Bee:Yeah, it has.
Anthony:The quantity, there's so many films out now.
Anthony:So it's,
Nathan:This movie had two Academy Award nominations at one for best visual
Nathan:effects, which I scratched my head about.
Nathan:I wonder what it was up against, but it was also nominated
Nathan:for best original score.
Nathan:And yeah.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:So let's get into this B since you have never seen this film before in your.
Bee:No, never.
Nathan:The virgin to this franchise.
Nathan:Let's hear it.
Bee:Sure.
Bee:I didn't live up to Raiders for me.
Bee:I think we can say that.
Bee:Raiders was a perfect movie, I thought.
Bee:And this just felt like we really fell off the wagon somewhere.
Bee:I thought it was fun.
Bee:Hey listen, this is just a fun action serial.
Bee:You have this like, serialized James Bond y kind of character who just goes from
Bee:adventure to adventure, and the best parts of that are great, and the bad parts of
Bee:that are really highlighted in this movie.
Bee:I'll start.
Bee:I think some of the really fun stuff I thought the action
Bee:was shot really well in this.
Bee:I thought it was photographed beautifully, and some really big
Bee:action scenes that were just fun.
Bee:The kills were crazy, and I liked how dark this movie was.
Bee:It wasn't a problem for me.
Bee:I thought that was cool.
Bee:Some of the dark parts of Raiders, I thought, were the most interesting and
Bee:the most toothy, and gave some weight to some of these really amazing kills.
Bee:I liked the sidekicks.
Bee:I loved short round and I liked Willie too.
Bee:She's crazy and annoying, but she's what a great every man to throw
Bee:in the middle of there because yeah, what Indy's doing is crazy.
Bee:That's insane.
Bee:I like who would know how to handle that situation.
Bee:So I like that they went.
Bee:In completely the opposite direction.
Nathan:You're officially on the record being pro Willie.
Bee:I'm pro Willie.
Bee:It's fine.
Bee:It's fine.
Bee:I just like that they didn't try to give us the same woman twice.
Bee:Does their romance make any sense?
Bee:No.
Bee:Do I think it makes sense to hold that to a really rigorous standard for an
Bee:80's action movie that's not about that?
Bee:Also no.
Bee:Who cares?
Bee:That's not the point of it for me.
Bee:Yeah, I thought that stuff, I thought the score was amazing.
Bee:That was, I was happy to be listening to John Williams again.
Bee:The problem with characters like this is when you stick them in locations
Bee:that you treat as exotic as this.
Bee:And the white savior trope that really jumps out.
Bee:And it's right from the opening number all the way through.
Bee:The Indian people in this movie are, they're either helpless or evil.
Bee:I don't know.
Bee:The whole time they need Indi to save them, which is that's
Bee:this type of character, right?
Bee:They go in somewhere and they save everything.
Bee:And that's just the nature of it.
Bee:It doesn't age well, it doesn't hold up super well.
Bee:That's some of it was problematic.
Bee:But, there was a lot of fun to be had in it.
Bee:I do think, it's interesting that you were saying the pacing was so
Bee:great, I thought it really dragged.
Bee:We spent so much time in the temple, and in Raiders we were moving from incredible
Bee:set piece to incredible set piece, to different countries, and it just felt
Bee:like the movie had pace and scope and exploration, and this felt really narrow.
Bee:to me.
Bee:It was cool.
Bee:The temple was interesting.
Bee:There were a lot of dimensions to it, but we never really saw
Bee:anything outside of that world.
Bee:It ends really abruptly for me.
Bee:So I thought the middle kind of sank.
Bee:I don't know.
Bee:It wasn't my favorite.
Bee:I want to see the next one.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:What would you give this as a rating?
Nathan:One to five?
Bee:Three.
Nathan:Three.
Nathan:It's a three.
Nathan:Okay.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:So that was probably not very coherent.
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Alright.
Nathan:Anthony, you're up.
Anthony:I love Temple of Doom.
Anthony:Of course.
Anthony:I just remember being like, eyes bugging out of my head in the
Anthony:theater watching this as a child and watching a grown man's heart, beating
Anthony:heart be ripped from his chest.
Anthony:This is a horror movie.
Anthony:This is a horror movie.
Anthony:It's so
Bee:disturbing.
Anthony:There's so many elements to this that put it in the horror genre.
Anthony:genre for me, and especially to a child.
Anthony:Like I, I never get away with that today.
Anthony:And even back then, again, it caused an entire rating system change.
Anthony:And I think they just went.
Anthony:The creators were in a dark place.
Anthony:They went in a dark place.
Anthony:They had, empire was such a big hit and that was the dark middle star Wars movie.
Anthony:And they wanted to do that again a little bit.
Anthony:And yeah, whether or not they went too far, who knows.
Anthony:But for me, it was a ton of fun.
Anthony:Some good callbacks to the first film.
Anthony:But I think.
Anthony:Even as a standalone film, this doesn't have to be an Indiana Jones movie.
Anthony:I think this movie could have been any other film.
Anthony:It wouldn't be as good because again, you get to build on what Raiders has
Anthony:already established as a world and Indiana Jones is a character, but
Anthony:but This would be a really fun movie to watch in almost any franchise.
Anthony:So like you can nitpick a bunch of different stuff and comparison
Anthony:the other indie films or whatever.
Anthony:But I think it's right up there.
Anthony:With the other films Raiders.
Anthony:Yeah.
Anthony:Like you said, Raiders is perfect.
Anthony:I guess we're not really allowed to talk about the future, but it's there.
Anthony:It's my third favorite of the original three, but we're talking like,
Anthony:what's your third favorite child?
Anthony:It's
Nathan:okay.
Nathan:Anthony, if you were giving a rating one to five, what would you say?
Nathan:Cause that's what we do here.
Anthony:And we took all the movies ever made into this one, one to five.
Anthony:Yeah.
Anthony:It's high stakes,
Outro:Anthony.
Outro:Yeah.
Anthony:It's a four.
Anthony:And I'm also team Willie.
Anthony:Hell yeah.
Anthony:I think she's a terrific representative of They're making these thirties and
Anthony:forties serial films and she's a great representation of what a lot of the like
Anthony:damsel in distress But not even she's not even really in distress she's like
Anthony:you said you called it every man of it.
Anthony:She's comic relief.
Anthony:She's all these things and Like I don't know.
Anthony:I've met people like that I met people, I know people, that if you drop them
Anthony:into that situation they're gonna scream when they see snakes and all that.
Anthony:It might even be me.
Anthony:But I didn't have a problem with her as a character.
Anthony:She was annoying.
Anthony:That's the person you don't want around in some of those situations, but that's
Anthony:what she's supposed to be there for.
Anthony:If she was like an equal to Indy as far as his experience and skillset
Anthony:and all that, she really wouldn't be that interesting of a character.
Anthony:You need someone that's like in some ways, hold him back.
Anthony:And then she has, she's the character arc that they can't give Indiana Jones.
Anthony:Indiana Jones is a very, Established character is not gonna change much
Anthony:through these films, but the people around him, through his adventures change
Anthony:their life perspective and all that.
Anthony:So you get to watch a great change in her.
Anthony:. And so she's the me she's the character, change
Nathan:the character artist.
Nathan:You see a change.
Nathan:Did you see a change in her through this movie?
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Oh, absolutely.
Nathan:Especially, she was constantly.
Bee:Yeah, she was constantly pushing herself outside her comfort zone.
Bee:She was taken from something, a place where she already had established
Bee:herself in a foreign country.
Bee:She built a career there.
Bee:She knew she could be a person that kept going beyond her boundaries.
Bee:I think she's a really well written character.
Anthony:And when Indy drank the potion there and turned evil
Anthony:that's a big turning point for her.
Anthony:She stepped up and like you mentioned earlier when she handed The thing for
Anthony:him to hit the, that, that wouldn't happen to the beginning of the movie.
Anthony:I think she, spending that time and spending that time around Indy,
Anthony:becoming more comfortable in her skin, she really stepped up against those.
Anthony:She could have caught, crouched in a corner and hit and cried,
Anthony:but she stepped up and helped
Sam:fight.
Sam:You talk about Indy drinking that potion.
Sam:You talk about the horror movie like tone to this.
Sam:That is so dark when he wakes up with the candles.
Sam:I'm like, Oh my God, this is pitch black, midnight darkness.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Oh yeah.
Trailer:Yeah.
Trailer:Yeah.
Trailer:Okay.
Anthony:And as far as the other tropes that people get upset about with India
Anthony:and all that Again it's the early 80s, all these films and stories from, especially
Anthony:the stuff they're trying to emulate.
Anthony:They're trying to emulate stuff from almost the 30s.
Anthony:Yeah.
Anthony:And, exotic places and Aboriginals and all this different stuff that comes up.
Anthony:Those are all like, scary.
Anthony:The unknown where man is scared of the unknown and other countries
Anthony:and other populations and all that are unknown and therefore scary.
Anthony:And you get these tall tales that, that creep through a bow.
Anthony:Don't go there.
Anthony:Those people will do this and that you hear about now,
Bee:I just wish they had given Indy a really strong character from the
Bee:village that he was trying to save.
Bee:I wish there were somebody that stepped up that represented
Bee:the place that needed help.
Bee:That was, I think, the thing that could have helped it a little more.
Bee:Because then you could still be this person who's fish out of water.
Bee:You could still have that story.
Bee:But then you also have the story of humanizing, but to your point, Indy
Bee:has that great moment in the beginning with Willie, where he's you got to eat
Bee:this food and he's showing the cultural competence that an academic should have.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Sam, what do you got to say?
Sam:I first off, just going linearly, I like, I love the opening
Sam:title credits of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom behind Kate
Sam:Capshaw, who is like in front of it.
Sam:And the logo appears as it does on posters which I will not give
Sam:anything away, but we don't often see that style in other films
Nathan:with Kate Capshaw in front of the title.
Sam:Yeah, no, where you actually see where it says Indiana Jones
Sam:in the Indiana Jones, orange font.
Sam:Like writers doesn't have that.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:See
Sam:just different style.
Sam:Like this movie is more pulpy, oh, totally.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Love the, and I was timed it cause I've seen this movie so many times.
Sam:I was curious as to the structure, the first 19 minutes of this film with the
Sam:like Nurhaci's remains at Club Obi Wan, the huge shootout in Club Obi Wan, the
Sam:escape, jumping out the window, the giant rolling, like block the, the car
Sam:chase And Dan Aykroyd's brief cameo out of nowhere where he just shows up.
Sam:He's hello, I'm Odd Webber.
Sam:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Sam:He's you will be riding on a cargo plane.
Bee:I was like, is that Dan Aykroyd?
Bee:They must have
Nathan:stayed friends from 1941 is what I'm guessing.
Nathan:Yeah,
Sam:exactly.
Sam:For sure.
Sam:And then like all that is in the first 19 minutes, then they jump
Sam:out of the plane in that ridiculous raft sequence that I love.
Sam:It's just such a this movie.
Sam:Really takes the kind of James Bond the and premise of will open the film with
Sam:the third act of another story and it just has this totally unrelated, like
Sam:those characters never come back again and in terms of what I really enjoy
Sam:about this movie, the tonality of it.
Sam:It's like my.
Sam:Description of it.
Sam:It's like a it on the outside.
Sam:It looks like a beautiful like cake and you like want to eat
Sam:it but like it's hollow and there's a giant tarantula inside.
Sam:Because this movie I always loved like that's like having always
Sam:loved like movies and like being interested in directing and
Sam:structure and stuff like that.
Sam:What I really love about Indiana Jones and the temple of doom is if you're seeing
Sam:this for the first time, it starts off very splashy with a musical, very light.
Sam:Like you've got, you have a sense, like what I'm going
Sam:to be seeing is a lot of fun.
Sam:fun, maybe not as deep as Raiders, but after they crash and they arrive in
Sam:India, this like oppressive tone of darkness just creeps down on the movie.
Sam:And so I love how the evil and the tonality and the horror elements of
Sam:this film are saved for the second act.
Sam:And it's, so it creeps in insidiously.
Sam:Interestingly enough the actor.
Sam:who played the village priest, he actually did not speak English in
Sam:real life and Spielberg told him his lines phonetically to him.
Sam:So he'd mimic the sound.
Sam:So that's where he would say it must darkness over the village.
Sam:He's literally just going off Spielberg's direction.
Sam:I thought he did amazing.
Nathan:There's a great, there's a great behind the scenes.
Nathan:Stuff on YouTube and on the disc where he's just shows and he's doing all the
Nathan:stuff behind like darkness and all that.
Nathan:And he's just copying him, off camera.
Anthony:Oh, exactly.
Nathan:Yeah.
Anthony:Before you get too far, I do just want to comment on the opening.
Anthony:Which could be its own short film in and of itself.
Anthony:I love the fact how Indiana Jones, especially in the beginning of
Anthony:Raiders 2 that they just Drop you in without any X unnecessary
Anthony:exposition of what's happening.
Anthony:They just don't insult the audience intelligence and allow you to
Anthony:pick up some of the pieces there.
Anthony:And it makes you have to listen and pay attention.
Anthony:It draws you in.
Anthony:They didn't need to explain too much, but you're gathering context
Anthony:clues of who's doing what and who's looking how and who's with who.
Anthony:And it's just phenomenal that they give that to the audience, the gift of
Anthony:filling in the gaps, which gets you more.
Anthony:Intertwined with the film, but anyway, yeah, that I love that they
Anthony:do that with these films, and I wish more films nowadays would do that
Anthony:without over explaining everything
Outro:to you.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:God, yeah, over explaining everything and then like adding subplots in
Sam:addition to explaining everything.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:They're like, we have to like, check every single box.
Sam:Not opening it.
Sam:I love that opening and that, that sets the tone.
Sam:And what I love about it is it's so different from the rest.
Sam:And I totally hear what you're saying, Bea, about especially when
Sam:they're in the temple of Dhuum, the movie is more like claustrophobic.
Sam:It's closer.
Sam:And it's a very different animal than Raiders because Raiders is undeniably
Sam:Way more epic and grander visually and it's you know Open skies and
Sam:deserts and vehicles and soldiers like it's very there's a there's like
Sam:a David Lean feel Raiders, this is a subterranean horror movie that happens
Sam:exactly that happens to have some like outdoor locations in the first half.
Sam:I know what you mean about the pacing in the temple, but for me personally,
Sam:why, the reason I like it a lot is because when they get to the temple,
Sam:the movie's had some action and laughs and the gross out, dinner
Sam:scene and some really good set pieces.
Sam:And I love the thing where the spikes coming down and them getting trapped,
Sam:like the action in this movie is legit, but until they've arrived at the
Sam:temple, it's never gotten fully dark.
Sam:And when they get there and they get trapped, it gets.
Sam:dark, like Harrison Ford drinks the poison, like they're being
Sam:whipped like Willie is literally about to be sacrificed to the fire.
Sam:And that's like incredibly suspenseful and just horrifying
Sam:because I can't imagine her terror and just blacking out in the heat.
Sam:It gets so oppressive and so heavy.
Sam:That when they break free and escape, I find the like mine car chase wildly
Sam:exciting the bridge climax, just like it's like they get let out of the
Sam:prison of the temple of doom and they get this escape like the last third of
Sam:that movie to me is just Action packed.
Sam:I love everything.
Sam:I like the shot.
Sam:I love it.
Sam:When Indy is swinging on the the rafters with his whip and he's trying to catch
Sam:up to the mine cart and he falls in.
Sam:Just the way it's shot the, this movie really, the pacing
Sam:moves really fast for me.
Sam:And lastly, I'll say, I'll just end by saying that in, in Mythology in the hero's
Sam:journey and those types of things, there's the idea of the hero has to go into the
Sam:earth and be tested, and then they come back out to the light re energized.
Sam:And I feel like Temple of Doom takes that literally.
Sam:We literally see a movie where Indiana Jones and company go to hell, survive
Sam:hell, and then break up back forth to daylight on the other side, and it was
Sam:like a fever dream nightmare of a Story.
Sam:So that's what I like about it.
Sam:I could go on and on, but I would give Temple of Doom four as well.
Sam:I give it a solid four.
Trailer:Nice.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:I'm up.
Trailer:Yeah, man, you're up.
Nathan:I've dreaded this day.
Nathan:Thanks.
Nathan:I have.
Nathan:Anthony, what you don't know is that I have a real love hate relationship
Nathan:with this movie for a long time.
Nathan:So one thing that I feel like I should never do, I never want to do in life, is
Nathan:to look at this film with a critical eye, especially when I'm already, this film has
Nathan:been skating at the nice for a while now.
Nathan:This came out at a time at the peak of my eighties movie fandom, summer
Nathan:of 84, I was 10 and I loved the hell out of this movie when I was 10.
Nathan:It was, Spielberg made this movie for me.
Nathan:It was perfect.
Nathan:And I still think, like you said, Sam, the first.
Nathan:18, 19 minutes of this movie are perfect.
Nathan:Pretty much.
Nathan:I love that opening scene.
Nathan:I would actually, I'll be honest.
Nathan:I would, I wish this movie was about Indy's adventures with the Chinese mafia.
Nathan:I could have stayed in Shanghai and learning about, and his adventures there.
Nathan:I want to know more about that.
Nathan:That's funny.
Nathan:Was it when he got on the plane?
Nathan:I love that scene, but it there's something about this.
Nathan:One thing that bothers me though, and I'll get into about the humor in this
Nathan:movie, in the writing of this, but I'm getting ahead of myself here, but years
Nathan:have gone as the years have gone on temple doom has increasingly become a
Nathan:very Difficult viewing experience for me.
Nathan:I guess I'll say
Nathan:I'm not here to completely trash this movie.
Nathan:There are a lot of things I'll appraise.
Nathan:I, like I said, the opening is perfect.
Nathan:It starts off with that vibrant homage to the like Busby Berkeley
Nathan:musicals from the thirties, forties, that splashy dance number.
Nathan:I love that opening set piece.
Nathan:It's my favorite part of this movie, pitting Indy and
Nathan:Lao Tse against each other.
Nathan:The interaction that combined with the blocking of that, the directing,
Nathan:the editing, the score while they're doing the Lazy Susan back and forth.
Nathan:So yeah it's chef's kiss.
Nathan:It is.
Nathan:The champagne pork, the ice with everything, the way that is edited
Nathan:together, it's just perfection.
Nathan:And, but at least to that, like Marx brothers esque shenanigans, And it's
Nathan:a great blend of humor and action.
Nathan:It is Spielberg firing in all cylinders in that scene.
Nathan:And I really do love it, but it's also an indication of the type of humor and
Nathan:like the ventures into lowbrow territory that is just not vibing with me.
Nathan:The way it used to, and it's lacking kind of the wit and
Nathan:the subtlety of the first film.
Nathan:But another, but not going to dwell too into the doldrums yet.
Nathan:Another bright spot I like is the dynamic between Indy and Short Round.
Nathan:Their banter and chemistry, so much fun.
Nathan:I really hope that that he, Quan maybe returns his franchise at some point.
Nathan:And.
Nathan:And we get maybe some adventure with him or that character,
Nathan:I think it'd be really cool.
Nathan:I think he's, he'll, he, I don't think he ever will.
Sam:I love it when he and Indy are playing, they're playing cards
Sam:and Kate Capshaw's running around and like bumping into every single
Sam:animal and she grabs the bat.
Sam:And my favorite shot is she runs by and a lizard is bruh.
Nathan:I like them in that.
Nathan:I love their banter.
Nathan:I could watch them play cards or do whatever I want to venture with
Nathan:them, but if it was focused but conversely, Willie Scott, the leading
Nathan:later for me, the leading lady is a major drawback for me, her character.
Nathan:I was, I'm actually surprised how much team Willie there is here.
Nathan:Cause I find her, she is the audience surrogate.
Nathan:But damn her character, the character I don't know.
Nathan:I found her to be very underdeveloped and I do, you did bring up some good
Nathan:points that did make me think a little bit more, she does have some agency
Nathan:in this toward the end where she is helping Indy out and I really didn't.
Nathan:Think about it as much, but she is so poorly written, the stuff
Nathan:that comes out of her mouth, it's just EKS and oz for the most part.
Nathan:And I don't even care that it's a, she's like this potentially outdated stereotype
Nathan:of nightclub singer of the thirties.
Nathan:I get that's somebody that existed back then, and so I, I don't, that doesn't.
Nathan:Fault, the movie for that.
Nathan:I just don't like the fact that her, I didn't feel like she had
Nathan:much arc and has really no depth.
Nathan:She has no character moments.
Nathan:Yes, she does.
Nathan:Ha.
Nathan:Action is character, but we don't really get to know her.
Nathan:She doesn't like, we don't really, she doesn't.
Nathan:Share anything about who she is throughout this movie.
Nathan:There's one moment where she says something about, she has an opinion
Nathan:about my father, my uncle was a magician or a trickster, something like that.
Nathan:And he ended up like penniless.
Nathan:That's the one time in this whole movie.
Nathan:She says, Something that is aha she's bringing up something from her past.
Anthony:It speaks to her material nature though.
Anthony:Doesn't it?
Anthony:It helps explain sort of her superficiality.
Anthony:Yes,
Nathan:but it's the only time that she says, Anything that's makes me
Nathan:think that they wrote a line for her thinking about her character.
Nathan:There's nothing, there's no other line in this movie that
Nathan:is, adds any character to it.
Nathan:I
Bee:think there's so much visual storytelling that tells you her character.
Bee:I think you know that she's like I do, but she's, yeah,
Nathan:okay.
Nathan:But yeah, you've made me think a little bit more about it because, but that's,
Nathan:that was my initial reaction to this.
Nathan:Can I ask you a question?
Anthony:Yeah.
Anthony:Or my question to you is if you're going to take the Uber capable and experienced
Anthony:Indiana Jones and drop him into what Sam calls the pit of hell, we don't have
Anthony:the traditional jet setting, like the.
Anthony:The 007 jet setting that Indiana Jones does.
Anthony:We dropped him off in a place that no one knows where he is.
Anthony:He's trapped, there's no way out, and he's alone.
Anthony:If you're going to do that to Indiana Jones, and you want it to seem a
Anthony:very helpless situation, are you not going to drop him with a child?
Anthony:And a woman that's more worried about breaking a nail than anything else.
Anthony:The two of the most hapless, helpless people that you can companion
Anthony:him with in the pit of hell.
Anthony:And they are the ones that help him get out.
Nathan:I get it.
Nathan:I understand this movie has a very precise formula for that.
Nathan:She's a Bond girl is what she is.
Nathan:There's the reason for why she's there.
Nathan:And she's the audience surrogate.
Nathan:And I don't fault the movie completely.
Nathan:I just fault the writing for her.
Nathan:But she serves a purpose for the story.
Nathan:She's
Bee:a broad industry.
Nathan:But I don't know.
Nathan:It's, it just is not working for me anymore.
Bee:I think you're, I think you're on the, I think a lot of
Bee:people feel the way you feel.
Nathan:So the other thing I know But it's, I can't
Nathan:really talk so much about it.
Nathan:The other thing, just two more points, I'll say it quickly, visually, this film
Nathan:is it's so heavily reliant on soundstages.
Nathan:And that is also contributing to this claustrophobic and dark atmosphere.
Nathan:I know this movie is underground and all that, but.
Nathan:Whereas Raiders was so set in these vibrant location based settings much
Nathan:of this film takes place underground and with that combined of, with
Nathan:that is a, it's got that dim living and these visually monotonous, it
Nathan:creates this visually monotonous experience is what I'm trying to say.
Nathan:And.
Nathan:With so many few outdoor scenes and a few of them were shot in Sri Lanka, but it
Nathan:really doesn't offer that much relief.
Nathan:So it just felt really, I just felt just like it was all in sound stages.
Nathan:And I just did not feel like we went anywhere.
Nathan:I was, I did not like, you mentioned David Lean as a great
Nathan:reference, Sam, for the first film.
Nathan:And I felt like I was never really was outside this movie and I
Nathan:didn't, it wasn't pleasurable.
Anthony:Compared to Raiders, or are you hating this as a standalone thing?
Anthony:But do you think that Raiders of the Lost Ark is causing you to
Anthony:hate this more than you should?
Nathan:I can't not compare it to Raiders, but I think it's it's
Nathan:also, it felt cheap because of that.
Nathan:It felt like power agency.
Nathan:And, there's more to say about this, but in summary,
Nathan:there's a lot of great moments.
Nathan:The action is so well directed in this.
Nathan:And brilliant, a lot of moments of brilliance and nostalgia
Nathan:here, but it really struggles with the tonal inconsistencies.
Nathan:I don't like the slapstick humor.
Nathan:It may have been the film that, that the public wanted in 1984 and
Nathan:hey, I was there for it, but in retrospect, I still think this is one
Nathan:of Spielberg's worst in his catalog.
Nathan:So yeah.
Nathan:What's your star rating?
Nathan:I'm giving it a two and a half.
Sam:Damn.
Sam:I'd say for me personally, just on the visual element of the Temple of Doom I
Sam:love Douglas Slacombe's lighting there.
Sam:I think that set is incredible.
Sam:And I was, because I was doing this in at the one hour mark, when Indy and Short
Sam:Round and Willy you hit, they can hear chanting and they're walking through these
Sam:stalactites and stuff, and they come out around this corner, and in this Spielberg
Sam:tracking shot, and then it pans around, and you see the entire Temple of Doom
Sam:set all fiery lit up with all the extras.
Sam:I just find that, all of that the light, everything I find spectacular.
Sam:So I don't find it visually nice.
Nathan:This movie is between spectacular and aggravating to me.
Nathan:That's where I'm at.
Nathan:So I
Bee:have a question for you guys about the way this looks and about some of the
Bee:action on the set pieces because I think the action is shot really well but it
Bee:goes so big so often and so much bigger than it went in Raiders that for me it
Bee:almost looks lampoony like when they get out of the plane on the raft and to
Bee:an extent the mine cart scene as well.
Bee:So I.
Bee:I didn't see this when it came out, obviously.
Bee:I haven't seen it my whole life, so all I've seen is what it's influenced.
Bee:And I haven't really done a lot of research on this movie, because
Bee:I don't want to spoil anything for myself for future films.
Bee:It looked like, to me, with present day eyes on this movie, like they were Gunning
Bee:for universal rides when they made this movie, they had notes in the back of their
Bee:mind of like, how do we make this a ride?
Bee:How do we market this?
Bee:That's how I, as a modern day movie watcher, see that
Bee:what they're doing there.
Bee:But I don't know if this is actually just some sort of.
Bee:Spielberg and Lucas being like, let's all be 10 year old boys and make the movie.
Bee:Our 10 year old kids wish they could make, or if this was a studio note
Bee:saying Raiders was so good, let's just do more, more as far as I know.
Sam:The mine car chase was actually originally going to be part of Raiders,
Sam:but they had too many set pieces.
Sam:So they like kept, and they're like, Oh, now we're in temple of doom.
Sam:We're underground.
Sam:We'll take the mine car chase, put it in this one.
Sam:But I guess it was a raft, possibly.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:No, yeah, the raft, I can see possibly while making it, it definitely has
Sam:that, of course it could be a good ride.
Sam:I
Nathan:know there's very little studio involvement in the making of this movie.
Nathan:They let Lucas and Spielberg really have carte blanche to do whatever you want.
Bee:This looks like the studio had their hands all over it.
Bee:If you've never seen this movie.
Bee:This feels like a
Nathan:This to me feels like a cocaine infused fever dream.
Nathan:Yeah, but I think the studio execs were doing that
Bee:too.
Bee:But I think, if you, so I grew up in the era of like franchises and sequels and
Bee:big movies and studios and things getting, so watching this now, it's so different.
Bee:so hard to not to think that this was the original concept of Spielberg and Lucas
Bee:and not how do we market this later?
Bee:How do we make things bigger?
Bee:And it just not being super successful.
Bee:So that's, I don't know, that just puts it in a different light for me.
Sam:I hear that.
Sam:And it was definitely them.
Sam:It was Lucas, like pushing the idea and Spielberg kind of jumped on
Sam:board and was like, Oh, a darker.
Sam:Just like playing
Bee:and being, yeah, that's fun
Nathan:to know is that this really was like a story that
Nathan:they just threw together.
Nathan:This is not like Raiders where Lucas had this idea gestating
Nathan:for like years and years.
Nathan:This was just like them we got to think of something.
Nathan:And they had like action set pieces in mind.
Nathan:And then I feel like they cobbled around a story around that.
Nathan:They did the same
Sam:thing.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:It's
Bee:surreal that it is.
Bee:Sorry.
Bee:We did the same
Sam:thing with Raiders.
Sam:They put together a story and this was no different than their kind of storytelling.
Sam:I think it just happened to be, for me I think Raiders is definitely like a
Sam:lot more open air and visually epic, but what I love about this is when, and I
Sam:won't give anything away, but when you're watching Indiana Jones movies, I like
Sam:how I like what an outlier this film is.
Sam:It's so different in feel that it, the claustrophobia and the cave, like
Sam:for me, gives it its own horror thing.
Sam:And I love it when they're like, going through the place with the bugs.
Sam:Like it's very like.
Sam:Trapped in cavernous, but I love it because it's so different.
Sam:It's not like Raiders part two.
Sam:Let's try to top the truck chase.
Sam:You know what I mean?
Sam:Yeah, that's just my sort of angle.
Sam:It's
Bee:a little mean spirited.
Bee:Like it, it never lets them go.
Bee:Like first they got the bridge, then there's alligators under the bridge.
Bee:Then it's just, and I like that.
Bee:I think that was, but I wasn't sure who was driving that.
Sam:That was definitely Spielberg and Lucas.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Anthony:The great thing too, Sam, you talk about the end when they
Anthony:come out and they're in darkness and then into the light at the end.
Anthony:We're sitting in the theater, having that same response when the
Anthony:screen goes bright with the sun.
Anthony:And we've been living inside with these characters for this entire film.
Anthony:Even in the, I remember squinting when the daylight came on at the end of the film.
Anthony:And just being like, oh.
Anthony:Man, that's
Sam:awesome.
Sam:And
Anthony:having that same, that same feeling.
Anthony:That was cool.
Anthony:I think some of the negatives that people are finding are by design and maybe
Anthony:they're not What is optimal for us and stuff, but willie's a character you're
Anthony:not supposed to like I don't think and you know living in the darkness I think
Anthony:is by design as well but it's interesting what you're saying be about like the set
Anthony:pieces and the age nature of the effects like They don't, I was remarkably still
Anthony:impressed by all the set pieces and stuff, but I think I just in a different
Anthony:generation grew up with a different eye.
Anthony:I hate more of the artificial CGI stuff now than I do.
Anthony:I think less of that than I do the sort of cheaper miniature stuff and whatnot.
Anthony:And maybe because I grew up on it, it doesn't bother me as
Anthony:much because I'm so used to it.
Anthony:Whereas someone that didn't grow up with the miniatures and the practical sets as
Anthony:much it stands out more to you because you're used to a more modern image.
Bee:I love, I ride for practical effects.
Bee:That is my jam.
Bee:I just thought they they just kept pushing the action so big.
Bee:And it was just so relentless to the characters that to me, it just felt like,
Bee:okay, we've had Indy in a truck chase.
Bee:What if we kick him out of a plane?
Bee:That just felt to me like a studio note, trying to push the limits
Bee:of what the character could do.
Bee:But I thought the effects were great.
Bee:I thought the CGI didn't hold up with the practical effects.
Bee:It was amazing.
Bee:And I think the sets were great.
Bee:It's the best part of both movies.
Sam:I do agree.
Sam:I do know what you're saying about the tone.
Sam:This movie has a kind of let's punch you in the face tone to it.
Sam:It's it's like, you want to see the heart and the fire that is, it's
Sam:like ruthless like it, there is that.
Sam:And that's what makes it so different because yes it's darker than Raiders,
Sam:but the evil of the Nazis is like a deeper, just more human evil of
Sam:horror that like Raiders is grander.
Sam:So it's like Temple of Doom definitely feels smaller, but it's it's, I feel like
Sam:the dark horror tone like compensates for the more like enclosed story.
Anthony:You with Nazis, you're coming in knowing what the Nazis are
Anthony:capable of and what they're doing.
Anthony:And they're already historically scary, but the thuggies, you don't
Anthony:know anything about them coming in.
Anthony:So it's how do we make them almost scarier than the Nazis?
Anthony:What can we do?
Anthony:So I feel like they had to make them really bad to live up to that.
Anthony:to Nazis, which they didn't have to show us what the Nazis do.
Anthony:Cause we all learned about it in school.
Sam:They are ruthless.
Sam:And by the way, I've just forgot to include this.
Sam:You guys will find this hilarious, but no joke.
Sam:I timed it at the one hour, 24 minute Mark and 33 seconds.
Sam:There is the weirdest like continuity edit where like Indy has just rescued
Sam:Willie and Mola Ram is still like on the stage and Indy goes to hit him.
Sam:And then.
Sam:This floor panel opens up and Molaram just escapes and he just
Sam:goes, Whoa, and he disappears.
Nathan:Very Bond villain esque.
Sam:If you ever watched that in slow motion, the continuity
Sam:on that shot is, that is a mess.
Sam:Like they tried to hide it in the editing, but it's just it's, it looks insane.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:I want to emphasize just a little bit.
Nathan:I feel like, I hung up on my gripes with Willie and some of the other things here,
Nathan:but the thing that really is my hang up is really the writing and some of the tone
Nathan:of the way these characters are written and the way they're speaking in here.
Nathan:The comedy in this.
Nathan:I was not a fan of.
Nathan:The slapstickiness of this.
Nathan:I thought the humor, again, I'm going back to comparing and I know you're calling
Nathan:me out on the Anthony a little bit, but I like, I think Raiders of the Lost
Nathan:Ark, the humor in that is, is wonderful.
Nathan:And I have there's like in this, in Temple of Doom, like a moment I do love
Nathan:where I think that it fits the humor, the tone from Raiders of the Lost Ark
Nathan:is when he's escaping on the plane.
Nathan:In the beginning.
Nathan:And he screams, shouts out to Lao Tse nice try Lao Tse.
Nathan:He closes the door and the Lao Tse name is revealed on the plane.
Nathan:And if it ended right there, it's a great moment.
Nathan:But what I don't like with this movie does, what Spielberg does to hit us over
Nathan:the head is that you see the reverse of Lao Tse, like signaling to the
Nathan:pilots ah, And you see that shot and then the pilot's signal back he's like
Nathan:doing everything he can to constantly hand feed the humor to us in this.
Nathan:And it's little things like that.
Nathan:And the course is a lot more slapstick on top of that, but
Nathan:it's, I feel like no moment can be left to be just funny on its own.
Nathan:And it's even there was another moment like going back to Raiders there's,
Nathan:there was a great line and that was, I actually wrote it down here I don't know
Nathan:where it is anymore but it's just the way that there's, oh, I know what it was.
Nathan:Another example is when When Indy and Willie, they fall out of the
Nathan:club and they land in Short Round's car, and he's reaching to the dress,
Nathan:and I just don't like, lowbrow humor there's no time for love, Mr.
Nathan:Dr.
Nathan:Jones, or things like that.
Nathan:I feel like that line would not exist.
Nathan:And Rays of the Lost Dark, but I compare that to like in Raiders,
Nathan:where Marion says lines like, you're not the man I knew 10 years ago.
Nathan:And Indy would reply with things like, it's not the years, honey.
Nathan:It's the mileage, which I find to be like subtle humor that I love that tone.
Nathan:And that's what I miss for this movie is that really suave, the suave
Anthony:ness.
Sam:But
Nathan:It's great writing.
Nathan:It's great.
Nathan:Maybe
Sam:talking to about Willard Huck and Gloria Katz.
Sam:The writers on this are different.
Sam:Oh, I know.
Sam:I know that's gotta be, that's probably,
Nathan:I noticed
Sam:that a little bit.
Sam:Like it's not there.
Sam:Some of that is, is not the,
Nathan:but it stands out to me so much these moments in this movie.
Nathan:And I'm like, Oh,
Sam:I hear you there for some, it's the one where Lausche like signals to
Sam:the pilots that didn't, for me, didn't stand out as like a comedy overdone.
Sam:I just thought it was an action of like, all right, you guys take charge.
Sam:But this is like,
Nathan:why would spiel, okay, I know this is the most nit pickiest, nitpick
Nathan:of the nitpicks is things like that.
Nathan:I get that.
Nathan:But it's just like this.
Nathan:That's something that like Spielberg, like why would he need that shot?
Nathan:It's things like that.
Nathan:But I get it.
Nathan:This is an eighties action movie.
Nathan:But it feels like this is something that we would see in, they can
Nathan:all be troubling little child.
Nathan:, I know I, that is probably not the best example, but it is like.
Nathan:A microcosm of a lot of things.
Nathan:I think you and I
Bee:have a similar, what I think this does really well, and it does
Bee:in Raiders too, is when it just relies on the visual storytelling.
Bee:Willie losing the diamond and then the ice comes in and she's
Bee:got to scramble to find it.
Bee:That's a great moment that tells you everything you need to know.
Bee:Her being poked and held at knife point in that opening scene tells you everything.
Bee:Indie isn't.
Bee:A great guy all the time.
Bee:We knew that from Raiders.
Bee:I love, he's a complicated character.
Bee:I love that.
Bee:The shadows come back in some of the action beats and some of
Bee:the action happens off screen.
Bee:You just see the effects that is so well done and incredible.
Bee:Some of the verbal cues are a little more on the nose and they don't
Bee:always hit the same way that the visual storytelling does for me.
Sam:I hear you.
Sam:I think.
Sam:The visual storytelling, I think the visual storytelling and the,
Sam:for me, the action set pieces in this movie, the actions are
Sam:the strongest, they're like the,
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Sam:like the bones, the foundation that like holds the house together.
Sam:Because I love the mine cart chase.
Sam:I just, I love the escape from the temple of doom.
Sam:I feel like that third act is its own like fast paced, rickety, like adventure ride.
Sam:Like I was just glad to be out of there by that point.
Sam:There's also character
Nathan:moments.
Nathan:Indy is seeing a child being whipped at one point.
Nathan:He throws a rock at that guy.
Nathan:What the hell?
Nathan:He totally forgot where he was.
Nathan:I just hate the fact that Indy is now, in this movie, like a brash,
Nathan:sometimes really stupid character.
Nathan:And He's supposed to be like this brilliant, able to think
Nathan:his way through problems.
Nathan:And in this case, he just throws a rock to get the attention
Nathan:of the entire thuggy cult.
Nathan:I see, I like
Sam:the throwing of the rock.
Sam:Cause I thought that was a very typically Indiana Jones moment
Sam:where he just is like improvising and he's overcome by his emotion.
Sam:I feel like I'm watching
Nathan:a completely different character in this movie.
Outro:So one way he's.
Outro:Oh, go ahead, Anthony.
Anthony:I was going to say that the thing you view as a flaw, I was
Anthony:complimenting in the fact that I love the antihero that is Indiana Jones
Anthony:and that he's not always perfect.
Anthony:And he often makes mistakes that put himself in more peril.
Anthony:Like anyone, I know really smart people that do really stupid
Anthony:emotional things sometimes.
Anthony:And so I love that there's that side of him.
Anthony:It makes him more three dimensional.
Anthony:If he was perfect through everything and thought through everything
Anthony:and did everything by the letter.
Anthony:He'd be so boring.
Anthony:The fact that he does these things, you're like, no, oh no.
Anthony:But
Nathan:I get it, but it's, it just seems like we've betrayed a character
Nathan:that I already thought I knew.
Nathan:It just seems like something that, the other thing I have to keep in
Nathan:mind is that this is a prequel and maybe he learned from his mistakes,
Nathan:which is why he is different.
Bee:I think it's weird that they bothered to classify it as a prequel
Bee:because they're just serious.
Bee:Here's the other
Nathan:thing.
Nathan:When I saw this in 84.
Nathan:I never really made the connection that this was a prequel.
Nathan:I think I'd only seen Raiders maybe one time.
Nathan:Cause I did see in the theater, by the way, I saw Raiders in 1981 in the theater.
Nathan:Scared the hell out of me.
Nathan:And it was one of the first movies my dad brought me to see.
Nathan:I was seven or whatever, how old I was.
Nathan:And I don't think I had, I'd ever saw, I don't know if I had
Nathan:HBO or, So I saw, here's the other thing that's really funny.
Nathan:I didn't even know that Indiana Jones was the same actor that was Han Solo,
Nathan:because until I saw the opening scene at the nightclub when Indiana Jones is
Nathan:clean shaven, that's the only time I think in the entire series he's clean
Nathan:shaven, I'm like, he looks like Han Solo.
Nathan:And that's when I finally made the connection.
Nathan:There's the same actor but but that's the thing I, until these movies
Nathan:were on home video or HBO, like when you see the year title card, like I
Nathan:never knew that or I don't think a lot of people made that connection.
Bee:He does something that's outside of.
Bee:What we assume his character to be from Raiders at the end of this movie
Bee:for the better, I think, which is he gives the stone back to the people
Bee:who back to the village that needs it because Indy is an archaeologist, right?
Bee:He's an academic.
Bee:He's an archaeologist and he's these movies are pretty Morally ambivalent about
Bee:the colonialism of archaeology and is
Nathan:there ever a doubt he was gonna return the stone if he got it?
Bee:No, but I think, like the British led Indian armed forces save
Bee:the day at the end of this movie.
Bee:And I just think it's You know, the movie doesn't really care about those things
Bee:or explore those themes at all, but it's the nature of Indian Jones is that he
Bee:goes into these places, he takes these idols, and then he brings them back to
Bee:his European museums, his Western museums.
Bee:However, whatever you think about that or feel about that's, what he's doing, but
Bee:he gives it back at the end of this and he says, Hey, there'll be another day.
Bee:And I just thought that was a nice character moment for him.
Bee:Speaking
Sam:of the British.
Sam:Oh, no.
Sam:Go ahead, Anthony.
Sam:Just to button that
Anthony:in defense of Indy in this moment, most of the other artifacts
Anthony:he's going has gone after to this point are ones by civilizations that
Anthony:don't really aren't around anymore.
Anthony:There are other people going after them.
Anthony:The Ark of the Covenant and all that aren't using, but this in a world
Anthony:where this sort of magic is real.
Anthony:And this tribe of folks, this village, is using these stones for a purpose,
Anthony:for their crops and their world.
Anthony:So it's not that this stone is just something that people are
Anthony:trying to get for modern use.
Anthony:It's not a relic.
Anthony:It's not a relic.
Anthony:It's a modern jewel.
Outro:That's a good point, yeah.
Sam:And I totally hear you.
Sam:It makes no attempt to analyze the like time periods or like the Not at
Sam:all, but I do love the that's fine.
Sam:Speaking of it doesn't have to British imperialism Colonel or
Sam:General Bloomberg, that British actor.
Sam:Blum I do the end John Williams is somewhat imperialistic and like when
Sam:the British show up at the very end.
Sam:I love John Williams.
Sam:He's like overjoyed.
Sam:He's Shoot them if they won, just like straightforward, like flat adventure.
Sam:But that, tonality, amusing wise I
Bee:love the scores of both of these movies.
Bee:I was jamming out on the ferry ride to work today.
Sam:I do love the score.
Sam:I think my favorite musical cue in the whole movie is like, they're just leaving
Sam:the village and then it the camera pushes in on the priest and he's just like
Sam:standing there wishing them good luck.
Sam:Then it cuts to this wide shot of them on the elephants crossing a river and John
Sam:Williams theme just explodes until we're heading to Pancot Palace adventure mode.
Sam:Amazing.
Sam:Who knew
Anthony:that the lead singer of Toto's Dad was so talented?
Anthony:I know.
Anthony:No, Joe Williams dad is just amazing.
Anthony:It's true.
Anthony:Is that something you knew, Nathan?
Nathan:No, I didn't.
Nathan:I was trying to act smart and not say anything.
Anthony:Ah, you you know so much about music.
Anthony:I figured that's one that I wouldn't be able to get you.
Nathan:That slipped by.
Nathan:I only
Anthony:learned that a couple of months ago and I was blown away.
Nathan:Anything else here to, I made a couple dumb notes here that
Nathan:you guys are going to shout at me.
Nathan:I think the entire mind chase.
Nathan:at the end is great, but it's also unnecessary because they're
Nathan:told by the young Maharaja, you must take the tunnel on the left.
Nathan:No, they just had to go out the front door like all the other kids.
Nathan:I made that note.
Nathan:The Maharaja
Bee:reminded me of the Imperial being in the Neverending Story.
Bee:Maharaja is actually played
Nathan:by a girl.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:And what do you, okay, I have one other note here and we're
Nathan:probably going backwards here.
Nathan:I think B, you mentioned this early in your review.
Nathan:After the dinner, Indy and Willie start this flirting and they what the hell?
Nathan:I, there's no, Sure.
Nathan:There's no sex ritual that's built up at all.
Nathan:Least I observed in this and I just,
Bee:I, it reminded me, have you seen the movie from the fifties Pillow Talk?
Nathan:No, I know of it.
Bee:It's the same kind of, not so chemistry.
Bee:Yeah, it's, I just, I was glad we got another mirror scene, a
Bee:different kind of mirror scene.
Bee:I thought that was fun.
Bee:. No, whatever, they're two horny hot adults in a palace.
Bee:Yeah, they're
Sam:both stuck in a palace what are you, what are they gonna do?
Sam:Any kind of Have drugs for dinner,
Nathan:give them a break.
Nathan:If there was some, if there was just a kernel of sexual attention
Nathan:that was planted somewhere I love it because it tell
Bee:Neither of them are as attracted to other people as they are themselves.
Bee:And Spielberg and Lucas just give them a mirror and that's it.
Bee:It's perfect.
Bee:I loved it.
Nathan:I don't know, but if you're going to have them bickering for 30
Nathan:minutes, you got to Plant some seed.
Nathan:It was not 30 minutes.
Sam:It was like six.
Sam:I was like timing the movie last night.
Sam:Like it's not 30 minutes.
Nathan:Six minutes.
Nathan:They, that scene has got to be 30 minutes.
Nathan:Cause right before they go into the temple.
Nathan:No, it's six
Sam:minutes.
Sam:And then the other 15 minutes is the spikes and the bugs
Sam:and there's a whole set piece.
Anthony:You've never fallen into bed with someone that you yourself
Anthony:thought you didn't, couldn't stand.
Anthony:Until you're kissing.
Sam:You think you also couldn't run out the front door.
Sam:The minecart chase was necessary because of some reason they explained in the
Sam:plot, but I can't remember right now, but I get back to you on that one.
Nathan:No, I'm glad the minecart chases in this, but I think it's, I think like,
Nathan:why didn't they just go out the front?
Nathan:Why not?
Nathan:All the other kids could do it, but
Bee:I was I enjoyed the minecart chase, but there was some small itch in the back
Bee:of my brain that was so cynical about the.
Bee:like merchandising of this film.
Bee:I was like, Oh, I'm probably setting up a ride.
Nathan:So have you not been to Disney's like Indiana Jones ride?
Nathan:No.
Nathan:Oh my God.
Bee:No.
Nathan:It's not a mine cart ride, but you're in like a
Nathan:Jeep and it's really cool.
Bee:Zero encounters with Indiana Jones in my life, except for, I knew he wore a hat.
Sam:You almost get hit by the boulder in the ride.
Sam:Like you think you're going to, then you go like underneath it.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:That's pretty cool.
Sam:That's pretty fun.
Nathan:It's pretty
Sam:good.
Sam:It's pretty good.
Sam:It's pretty good.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:Yeah.
Nathan:Yep.
Nathan:I got anything else to say?
Nathan:Booby.
Nathan:The booby trap room is a great set piece also.
Nathan:That's,
Sam:I, yeah.
Sam:I
Bee:love that Spielberg loves that set piece.
Bee:Dude, that's one of
Sam:his favorite set pieces in the whole series.
Sam:He does mention that.
Sam:So I that was, yeah.
Sam:That
Bee:was so gripping.
Bee:Yeah.
Bee:Nathan, how did you feel with
Anthony:comedy in that?
Bee:Oh, I thought that was funny when he's come on, just pull the lever.
Bee:And she's it's good.
Bee:That's it.
Bee:When she bumps the thing
Nathan:and it resets everything again, like the code is the best part.
Nathan:No, I liked it.
Bee:No, it wasn't.
Bee:It wasn't that it was just, it was really just the huge set pieces that
Bee:went on for a long time and just kept, I think the plane and some of the,
Bee:my card, I was just like, Oh my God.
Anthony:So B, just for clarification, are you with me
Anthony:and Sam or are you with Nathan?
Anthony:There's no team.
Anthony:I'm firmly
Bee:in the middle.
Bee:I'm a three star,
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Sam:You just reminded me of of the dwarf and the hobbit and they're like, will
Sam:you have peace or will you have war?
Sam:And he's I will have
Outro:war!
Bee:War!
Bee:No, I think.
Bee:I think where I'm different, I would watch this movie again.
Bee:And I think going in knowing what it is, I would watch it when I'm
Bee:in the mood for that type of movie.
Bee:I think if I'm in the mood for a big adventure movie, No, if
Bee:I'm in the mood for an action y, big budget kind of movie, sure.
Anthony:I'm hoping, I'm just trying to sway you to our side because I
Anthony:want Nathan to go to bed tonight questioning his life choices, thinking
Anthony:he's made a mistake, and that he
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Anthony:give this credit.
Nathan:Anthony, you don't need to sway any, do anything for
Nathan:me to think that already, okay?
Nathan:Every night.
Bee:I took some notes while I was watching this and.
Bee:I just have a note that says the temple kills go so hard.
Bee:They go so hard, and I, that's positive.
Bee:I thought that was nice.
Bee:Yeah, those things are rough when the guy gets crushed by those boulders.
Bee:I also like that they show what happens in the lava cage
Bee:before they do it to Whitley.
Sam:Yes.
Sam:So you're
Bee:like,
Sam:oh shit.
Bee:I do love it when that guy
Sam:like falls off the back of the mine or falls in the tracks and the
Sam:other cart hits it and they go flying.
Sam:To me that was always like a whomp by the luamp like woohoo!
Bee:It's fucking brutal man.
Bee:And the alligators, those alligators ate well that day.
Bee:And
Anthony:that bridge scene I look at
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Sam:bridge was that was an, and that was all real.
Sam:That bridge was there and Spielberg refused to cross it because he was
Sam:afraid of he didn't want to do it.
Sam:And Harrison Ford just ran across it, built the bridge.
Sam:Like they got the local military to build it with all these supports.
Sam:Like it was the safest bridge ever.
Sam:And then they detonated it.
Sam:With like wire cutting explosives and they had they had dummies on
Sam:the bridge that were mechanical that would like their heads would move.
Sam:And so when they're falling off the bridge, that's why the people look real.
Sam:Cause they're like, moving.
Sam:But then when you see the making of the scenes and they all fall on
Sam:the river, it's hilarious because the dummies are still turned on.
Sam:So the fall should have killed them.
Sam:And you just see them like flapping around in the water, turn them off,
Nathan:I think about Mullah Rahm's fall afterwards and That didn't look great.
Nathan:Didn't look good.
Nathan:But you know what?
Nathan:I compare, I can't, I have to compare movies, but what if he had fallen
Nathan:like Hans Gruber does in Die Hard?
Nathan:Would that have been better?
Nathan:If you saw this slow descent?
Sam:It would have been cool, but Even though it looks, it totally looks fake.
Sam:The fact that they have like a camera move in the fall, like
Sam:following him, like usually in the eighties, they just have static Matt
Sam:shots where someone like recedes.
Sam:And so I liked the effort.
Sam:It's one of those things where it doesn't look real, but I applaud
Sam:what they were like trying to do.
Sam:That's more grace than I give it.
Bee:That's more grace than I give it.
Bee:I do think there's so many relentless kills and so many long set pieces
Bee:in this movie that it's a little underwhelming when the big baddie dies.
Bee:It's just yeah, it's like, all right, we had to get, it's takes a minute.
Bee:I do love
Sam:it when he jumps, when he bounces off that rock, when he's falling
Sam:and it's he flies out of the frame.
Sam:I always liked that.
Sam:It's like the guy hitting the propeller in Titanic,
Anthony:one thing I learned was.
Anthony:The the big dude that Indy fought was the same, played by the same guy from the
Anthony:propeller, propeller plane in Raiders.
Anthony:Same Mack.
Anthony:Oh, no way.
Anthony:I had, I never knew that.
Nathan:I didn't realize that although that's Pat Roach who played several
Nathan:characters, he plays the big thuggy and I think in Temple of Doom, and he plays
Nathan:the guy that gets caught up in the fan.
Nathan:As well, that was where he's wearing some blackface.
Sam:That's where Harrison Ford where he, when he's like flipping him over his
Sam:back, that's when he herniated his back in that middle of that action scene.
Sam:Must
Nathan:have been
Sam:fable.
Nathan:There he Spielberg was known for casting multiple actors in a couple roles.
Nathan:Because even in Raiders, the the actor who, not Alfred Molina, but the other
Nathan:guy that they're on the expedition with in that movie, the guy that
Nathan:betrays him, that he turns around and whips the gun out of his hand.
Nathan:He is, It's the guy that has the monkey on his, the chimpanzee on his shoulder.
Nathan:Same actor.
Nathan:Oh wow.
Nathan:You didn't have to clarify
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Bee:Alfred Molina because when Alfred Molina comes on screen, I know.
Bee:I know.
Bee:You're not fooling me.
Nathan:But it's the other guy.
Sam:I can see not recognizing Pat Roach at all, cause like when he's
Sam:in Temple, he has the turban and it's completely covered up and then in
Sam:Raiders he's bald and he's like in the
Nathan:And spoiler alert, Pat Roach is in Last Crusade, but a very small role.
Nathan:Their idea was for him to have a much bigger role in that
Nathan:movie, but it got cut out.
Nathan:But you'll see him.
Nathan:Imagine me and
Bee:Pat Roach like this.
Bee:He's a Nazi.
Bee:He's a Nazi.
Bee:He's a Nazi.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:I think we can take a break and we'll get to our vault decisions
Nathan:on this as soon as I pull this up.
Nathan:All right.
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Nathan:Let's get to our verdict on this, our decision.
Nathan:So B.
Nathan:Is Temple of Doom a movie that needs to be saved into our vault
Nathan:into the post apocalyptic times to be seen for this few generations?
Nathan:No.
Bee:Not Raiders.
Bee:Hell yeah.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Anthony, you get a vote.
Nathan:You're a guest, so you always get a vote.
Nathan:I'm trying to tell our, being Sam that, especially Sam here, because
Nathan:he likes to save everything.
Nathan:Because he thinks it's just like a big hard drive.
Nathan:It's not.
Nathan:It's, 35 and 70 millimeter prints.
Nathan:And it's only like the size of this room, I'm trying to tell him.
Nathan:So we can only save so many movies.
Nathan:No.
Anthony:No.
Anthony:All right.
Anthony:No, I can't believe I'm saying no, but if that's the scenario and
Anthony:that's the size, it's a film credit.
Anthony:It
Nathan:is.
Nathan:We only saved so many.
Nathan:High stakes.
Nathan:Okay, Sam?
Sam:I would save it because I like the variety, and I like the variety
Sam:of Indiana Jones, and I know you're getting your gleeful evil moment, Nathan,
Sam:and enjoy it while it lasts, cause you'll lose friends one day, anyway.
Sam:I'll put
Trailer:it
Sam:in
Trailer:the ballpark.
Nathan:Smiling
Sam:bastard.
Nathan:What
Sam:if I say yes,
Nathan:just to, no for all the reasons I've mentioned before, I
Nathan:have major issues with the tone and the writing of this movie.
Nathan:And it's, I think there's a much better films in this franchise and
Nathan:we're going to be watching them
Nathan:at least one more.
Nathan:So no.
Nathan:And.
Nathan:One vote out of four does not cut the mustard, so
Nathan:Never to be watched again by anyone.
Sam:I feel like I let Sam
Nathan:down.
Sam:Nah, you didn't, man.
Sam:You just gave Nathan his He's been looking forward to this.
Sam:You gave him his evil moment where he's I take
Nathan:no pleasure.
Nathan:I take no pleasure.
Sam:see it in your eyes.
Sam:I see the evil glee.
Sam:No, I'm just kidding.
Nathan:Of course.
Nathan:We saved the great outdoors, Sam.
Nathan:We did.
Nathan:Oh, wait a minute.
Anthony:Wait a minute.
Anthony:Wait a minute.
Anthony:Wait a minute.
Anthony:I wasn't there
Bee:for that episode.
Bee:I want to be clear.
Bee:I was out sick.
Anthony:But save the great outdoors?
Anthony:I'm changing my vote.
Anthony:Yeah,
Sam:there's plenty of room.
Sam:But even
Bee:if It doesn't matter if you change your vote, Anthony.
Bee:It's still not a majority.
Sam:It's a tie, it's
Nathan:a tie.
Sam:It
Nathan:doesn't matter.
Bee:It doesn't matter.
Bee:It's an S& E majority.
Nathan:What?
Nathan:Who do you think we're going to take this to Harris?
Bee:Oh, I'm sorry.
Bee:Are we going to take this to Florida for a hanging Chad?
Bee:No, you're fine.
Bee:It's a tie.
Anthony:The great outdoors.
Nathan:It was two people on that podcast though, wow.
Nathan:If you had shown up, I think it still may have gotten in.
Anthony:Absolutely.
Anthony:Sounds like you stacked the deck.
Nathan:Yeah.
Bee:Fishing with the right bait.
Bee:Ernest goes to
Nathan:camp, did not go in, even though I think Sam said yes,
Sam:I'm going to say no to every other Indiana Jones film now.
Nathan:Okay.
Sam:It's just, there's not enough space.
Sam:Like you said, it's the size of the room.
Sam:If you go by that logic, there's no space.
Nathan:Sam, are you crying?
Nathan:I see you wiping them out.
Nathan:I am.
Nathan:I'm weeping.
Sam:I'm weeping.
Sam:I'm weeping tears right now, yeah.
Sam:No, actually, my eyes are itching me.
Nathan:Okay,
Opening:alright.
Bee:Sam's I'm just allergic to your bullshit opinions.
Bee:I'm
Nathan:so sorry.
Nathan:Alright.
Nathan:Let's do a quick movie pairings.
Nathan:I have my bumper here.
Nathan:Sir?
Bumper:Sir?
Bumper:Aren't either one of these any good?
Bumper:I don't watch movies.
Bumper:Have you heard anything about either one of them?
Bumper:I find it's best to stay out of other people's affairs.
Bumper:You mean you haven't heard anybody say anything about either one of these?
Bumper:Nope.
Bumper:What about these two?
Bumper:They suck.
Nathan:Alright, movie pairings this week.
Nathan:This is where each of us will pick a movie as a double feature with
Nathan:Indiana Jones and then Temple of Doom.
Nathan:This can go in any direction.
Nathan:You could do another action movie or another movie with Harrison Ford.
Nathan:It could be, it's wide open.
Nathan:Whatever you want to do.
Nathan:Let's begin with B.
Bee:I changed mine at the last minute.
Bee:I'm watching you
Nathan:on the Google document.
Nathan:I'm swooping
Bee:in.
Bee:I'm changing it.
Bee:Because our conversation got me thinking.
Bee:1952, Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner travel to Kilimanjaro.
Bee:The Snows of Kilimanjaro, based on the Hemingway novel way
Bee:better than the Hemingway book, I think way less dark, anyway.
Bee:No, I think it's great.
Bee:It's it's beautiful to look at.
Bee:It's wonderfully shot.
Bee:But if you are into indie for the adventure aspect, if you're into indie
Bee:for the sort of super spicy, flash in a pan romances, if you're into Indy 4.
Bee:The challenge of man versus nature and man versus his own demons.
Bee:This is great.
Bee:This ticks a lot of boxes for me.
Bee:I might say it's the better movie of the two, but watch both, you decide.
Bee:It's on VOD.
Bee:It can be a little bit hard to find, but I watched it recently on Prime.
Bee:I think I can rent it for a couple bucks, but well
Nathan:worth.
Nathan:I have never seen this.
Nathan:It's great.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Wow.
Nathan:I want to see this.
Nathan:Great.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:Sam, you got some?
Nathan:Or Anthony, let's go to you.
Nathan:Anthony, you got something?
Nathan:You got I think a variety four.
Anthony:I do have four, so I'll give it to you.
Anthony:Gotta pick one.
Anthony:You wanna fight?
Anthony:Nathan can pick of the four then I can't.
Anthony:All right.
Anthony:It's Gungadin, which was a influence on Temple of Doom.
Anthony:So if you want to go to the DNA of Temple of Doom and bring
Anthony:one of the influences to it.
Anthony:Youngin African Queen.
Anthony:The African Queen, The Remlins, or Poltergeist.
Anthony:Two films that everyone thinks Steven Spielberg directed
Anthony:and he did not, but he did.
Anthony:Exactly.
Anthony:Yeah.
Nathan:Oh I'm familiar with, I don't know Gunga Din, but I
Nathan:know obviously the other two.
Nathan:It's a lot
Bee:like Templeton.
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Great.
Nathan:Sam, what do you got?
Sam:Less horry and more action y, but I would definitely for if you're,
Sam:came out the same year, if you're in the mood for another action eighties
Sam:adventure with globe trotting and set pieces, I would, and charismatic
Sam:characters, I would recommend Romancing the Stone, Robert Zemeckis film.
Bee:Hell yeah.
Sam:And if you could
Bee:time travel, you could do that actual double feature in the theater.
Nathan:That's true.
Nathan:That is true.
Nathan:You could have.
Bee:That would be fun.
Nathan:And B, you still don't believe that Jewel Nile is a real movie?
Outro:What?
Outro:No, that's some bullshit.
Outro:Sega game, don't lie to me.
Sam:Jewel of Wait.
Sam:Jewel Nile is real.
Sam:That's the sequel.
Bee:She doesn't believe us.
Bee:No, it's not.
Bee:It's just, it's a Sega Fever dream you had on.
Bee:It's got a good it's got a good set
Sam:piece with an F 18 in it, or like they're stuck in some plane or something.
Sam:No,
Bee:it does Everything you're saying sounds like a movie.
Bee:That's, that your characters in the movie are watching.
Bee:It's not real.
Sam:It's not as good as the first one, but I'll give it that.
Nathan:Is do you know where Romance in the Stone might be streaming?
Nathan:Or is it just on VOD now?
Nathan:Do you know?
Sam:Oh, I'm not sure.
Sam:Let me check.
Sam:It looks like it would be on Amazon Prime.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Cool.
Nathan:My movie pairing this week, I decided to pick a film that I feel that
Nathan:Spielberg and Lucas looked at as a major influence in this franchise, especially
Nathan:this film, probably Raiders as well.
Nathan:I'm going with the mummy from 1932.
Nathan:There are, there's several versions of the story that have been adapted to the
Nathan:screen, and I do like the Brendan Fraser.
Nathan:Film from the late nineties.
Nathan:This one is directed by Carl, friend, German.
Nathan:Thanks.
Nathan:Thanks, Sam.
Nathan:Assuming that's you he only directed a handful of films, but was he
Nathan:was a trailblazing cinematographer of the twenties and thirties.
Nathan:And I was reading about him.
Nathan:I, it looks like he was the first cam operator who began using a camera free.
Nathan:Using a camera free from a tripod mount.
Nathan:He would walk around the set and shoot scenes with the
Nathan:camera strapped to his stomach.
Nathan:So if you really think about it, he was the first guy to use a Steadicam.
Nathan:So that's pretty cool.
Nathan:That's neat.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:The Mummy came a year out after Frankenstein.
Nathan:And I still think it's maybe, this might be my second favorite
Nathan:of the Universal Monster movies.
Nathan:I think Temple of Doom and The Mummy would make a great double
Nathan:feature because you got that Temple of Doom is, by far the pulpiest.
Bee:Universal Horror is a great choice for this.
Bee:Yeah.
Nathan:This Temple of Doom is like the pulpiest of the franchise.
Nathan:And there's so many set pieces and characters and villains paying
Nathan:homage to, I feel like, The Mummy.
Nathan:And you've got the archaeological mysticism, the trap room,
Nathan:especially, foreboding temples and that subterranean lairs.
Nathan:It's, yeah it's a fun pairing.
Nathan:And it's unfortunately though,
Bee:what the nineties version has going forward is that
Bee:everybody in that movie is hot.
Nathan:Yeah, you could also go with that.
Nathan:It'd be a good, but the mummy is ripping off this franchise.
Nathan:That's the thing.
Nathan:Yeah, it's all good.
Nathan:It's all good stuff.
Nathan:All good stuff.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:So yeah, that's my pick.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Let us know anybody listening.
Nathan:If you like our picks, if you might.
Nathan:Pick any of these for a movie night.
Nathan:All right.
Nathan:Okay.
Nathan:Last thing we'll do is weekly highlight.
Nathan:If anybody wants to just mention anything that they watched or did this
Nathan:past week, we didn't talk about this prior to hitting the record button.
Nathan:So I don't know if anyone has anything they want to mention.
Sam:Beetlejuice.
Sam:Yeah.
Sam:It was a lot of fun.
Sam:I really enjoyed it.
Sam:Second largest September box office ever.
Sam:I was not expecting that impressive, huge numbers.
Nathan:110 million, I think, around there.
Nathan:Yeah.
Nathan:It
Sam:did well.
Bee:I liked it.
Sam:It's good.
Sam:Enjoyed it.
Bee:It's good.
Nathan:I didn't really get to see, I saw a few things this week, but nothing
Nathan:I really, it's worth checking out.
Nathan:Mentioning.
Nathan:Hey, one thing I will say, I'm almost done with my Robert Altman retrospective.
Nathan:I got three films left.
Nathan:That
Bee:took some friggin commitment, man.
Nathan:34 films.
Nathan:Almost done.
Nathan:Again, Anthony, I ask myself every night, what have I done with my life?
Bee:They can't all be winners.
Nathan:I know.
Nathan:No, they're not.
Nathan:Give us the David
Sam:the Dome on Nick Jr.
Sam:There's 25 episodes and there's a fox and there's, Fishes and there's trolls.
Sam:It's pretty good.
Nathan:But what I do want to share a quick story.
Nathan:A week ago I was visiting my doctor and this is not a story about, Oh
Nathan:my, my back or anything like that.
Nathan:But he was, I have had this foot issue, but what he really wanted to ask me
Nathan:aren't you the guy that does a podcast?
Nathan:Cause you were mentioning that six months ago.
Nathan:I don't remember doing that.
Nathan:And he asked me, what's the name of your podcast?
Nathan:And I tell him it's back to the frame rate.
Nathan:And he says, I'm traveling to Maine next week, and I really
Nathan:want to listen to something.
Nathan:This is not my primary, but a specialist.
Nathan:And he says, I don't really know how to use my iPhone.
Nathan:And he hands it to me.
Nathan:And can you get my, your podcast subscribed?
Nathan:Can you subscribe to it on my iPhone?
Nathan:So a doctor with all of his contacts and personal stuff on there hands
Nathan:me his iPhone and I'm like going through it, subscribing our podcast.
Nathan:That's awesome.
Nathan:So it's just really funny that we, I guess our relationship is a little closer
Nathan:than maybe doctor patient should, but I just, that was really funny that I ended
Nathan:up subscribing our podcast to my doctor.
Nathan:That's awesome.
Nathan:Yeah.
Sam:So go on to the notes section to see if he typed any banking
Sam:codes or anything like that.
Bee:I was going to say if he recruits like four more of his friends, we can
Bee:say four out of five doctors recommend.
Nathan:Oh, that'd be great.
Nathan:Yes, if you're listening , I don't know.
Nathan:But
Nathan:that's all.
Nathan:Not the best story, but I thought that I love it.
Nathan:I got a kick outta that he trusts me enough to hand me over his phone.
Nathan:I love it.
Nathan:That's all I got.
Nathan:I'll tell, I, I watched, I finally watched that Mark Wahlberg
Bee:movie, Arthur the King with the dog where he's a runner.
Bee:Oh, okay.
Bee:Or like a triathlete.
Bee:And he goes and wants it.
Bee:It just, I.
Bee:I had a movie day yesterday.
Bee:I was watching Temple of Doom.
Bee:I watched a bunch of, Temple of Doom, I watched a bunch of other movies and
Bee:that was one of them and it weirdly just made Temple of Doom the second
Bee:movie I saw that had like a scary bridge moment, which I just didn't expect.
Bee:I should watched, should have watched the pairing.
Sam:You should watched Bridge, you should have watched
Sam:Bridge to Tara Bia after that.
Bee:Oh man, that's a, oh wow.
Bee:So fucking, that's a bummer.
Sam:Because she drowns.
Bee:Spoiler!
Sam:Sorry!
Nathan:Alright Jesus!
Nathan:Next week we've got Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Anthony, Wh,
Nathan:where, anything you want to plug?
Nathan:Anything you want to mention where people can find you?
Nathan:I think I had some
Anthony:things but my mind went completely blank the minute you said
Anthony:you were having problems with your Face.
Anthony:foot.
Anthony:I think I just like mentally shut down.
Nathan:No,
Anthony:I want to plug back to the frame rate.
Anthony:Subscribe.
Anthony:Share Nathan's podcast
Bee:recommended by four out of five doctors in Massachusetts.
Bee:Recommended by one out of two.
Nathan:All my doctors to get on that page.
Nathan:Best podcast
Sam:ever.
Nathan:Follow Anthony Ambrosino, all of his film endeavors.
Nathan:He does good work and you can probably find everything he's done on IMDb.
Nathan:Any, is there a website, Anthony or any people want to contact you?
Nathan:It's fine.
Nathan:Okay.
Anthony:People want to contact me.
Anthony:Give me a call.
Anthony:I'm easy to find.
Nathan:Sounds good.
Nathan:All right, then that's it.
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