With the Oscars on the horizon, Derek and Nicholas open up on how to started your own project. Learn how to succeed up front with per-production advice in this part 1!

This is Film Center, your number one show for real entertainment industry news.

No fluff, all facts.

Here are your anchors, Derrick Johnson II and Nicholas Killian.

Hello, welcome to Film Center.

I'm Derrick Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

And what are we talking about today, Nicholas?

Today, we're doing something different today.

Yes, doing a little different.

We do not have an interviewee today.

We're not interviewing anybody.

No.

DJ had this really great idea.

Actually, you know what, since it was your idea, why don't

you go ahead and flesh it out?

Okay, so here's the thing.

This is still Film Center News and their Oscars are coming up.

The Oscars are gonna be there's a lot of really great Oscar

nominated films this year.

There are some that I like more than others and I feel I feel like Nicholas

probably feels the same way I mean everybody knows that there's oscar

films like there's oscar bait films Yeah, oscar bait films like it's not

necessarily it's like art films, right?

So to make sure there is still some news in here just so you

know as of the 27th february the 2024 oscar, nominees are here.

Oppenheimer has 13.

Oppenheimer.

Oppenheimer.

Whatever.

Has 13.

The guy who made sure that we, tons of people were murdered.

It's unfortunate It's not a joke, I just, it's, whatever.

Moving on.

They have 13 Poor Things with 11, Flower, Killers of the Flower Moon

with 10, and then Barbie with 8.

I'ma be for real with you what do they call it, Barber, Barbenheimer?

I feel like that really helped push them to get their numbers up.

And just in case you're wondering where you can see it you can

stream it on Fubu, F U B O, which I don't know if I'm pronouncing

that right, FUBU or FUBU, whatever.

FUBU, that, that's the clothing brand.

That's the clothing brand, you're right.

So I think it's pronounced FUBU, F U B O.

You can also stream it on Hulu, Sling, and DirecTV Stream.

And then you can also watch it by logging on to ABC.

com, slash backslash, watch live.

So that's where you can check out the Oscars.

They'll be playing in the Dolby Theater, too.

They'll be in the Dolby Theater.

March 10th starting at 4 p.

m.

Yeah.

Weren't people upset about the Barbie movie because the only

person that was nominated from that movie was Ryan Gosling?

That's not what we're talking about today.

Because the Oscars are coming up and as everyone knows, me and Nicholas

are in the industry, we this, we get.

Our paychecks from as ever big as big or small as they might be right.

They are from Eric David.

So What the Oscars coming up and things like that and especially with IMAX having?

Low records nowadays, which is crazy because when I was a kid IMAX was

like the thing like you had IMAX is going to go the way of the 3d.

So Remember, everybody thought 3D was it.

It was the next big thing.

I remember they even had them in science museums.

Doing 3D stuff.

They were like this is the next generation of movies.

And then, it wasn't.

The only movie I remember being 3D was Spy Kids.

Spy Kids.

Spy Kids 3D.

Avatar was also 3D.

Oh, yeah what was that one movie that had the wolf boy in it, but

he was a shark boy and lava girl.

Yeah, also made by Spy Kids people, right?

It's Taylor Lautner before he was You know the wolf boy, or whatever.

Yeah, and Jacob.

Jacob in Twilight.

Yeah.

He was over there singing, Dream dream.

Yep.

I'm not really sure who wrote that script.

But, all I know is that you have a special place in my heart.

Because only a true, psychotic meth head could have written that movie.

If you want and then it's who's the villain?

He's staying up all late all night thinking about okay, who could be a

really great villain for this and then you know late night Nickelodeon dun.

Oh, yeah, George Lopez to Be the villain what?

So So, we talked about that, a little bit of news, that's the

way you get your news filled.

Today, we're going to be talking a little bit about, about really

getting started in the industry.

A lot of people listen to us, yeah, you're in the industry, and but that

doesn't necessarily mean you know exactly where you're going with certain things.

Me and Nicholas we are currently working on a television show of our

own And we're developing producing and currently in production of a tv show.

Yeah, so we're currently in our own production for a tv show We can't say

for which Company it's for however Nicholas, what would you say is the

biggest thing that people run into making a television show getting started?

Yes, getting start getting started.

So just recently Me and DJ read DJ probably reads.

I don't read I listen to the books cuz I have ADHD I do yeah, but We DJ is an

avid reader and which is, for those of you who don't know I, like I said, my

name is Derek Johnson, but I go by DJ.

DJ is, I've read a lot of books in the past year because DJ's Oh, read this book.

Oh, read it.

And I was like, okay, cool.

I come into Nicholas's office probably four or five times a day.

Hey man, have you read this book?

And Nick is no.

No, man.

Because you just told me about this new one like literally 30 minutes ago.

But anyway everybody knows.

Getting started.

You just gotta get started.

For example, I just read 50 Cent's new book.

Or listened to it.

It's not really his new book, but yeah, 50 Cent's book.

But his Hustle Smarter, Hustle Harder, Hustle Smarter.

Whatever.

Hustle.

Yeah, exactly.

And the chapter is named, just do stuff just do stuff, get started.

In whatever it is, the crazy part is, not only are we a production

company, Soy Sauce Productions we produce TV radio, podcasts.

We also consult with other people on audio books.

We do press for that.

We do a lot Yeah, we also we have people that come to us and want to help them

get started on What they want to do and started as podcasts and started as in

the entertainment industry in general, by the way This is a good time that I

should shout this out some people are apparently we got it's odd because they

contacted us and we're like we're not sure how to contact you and i'm just like

then how did you so we're on instagram and film center news and then also you

can send us a dm and then also you can email us at info at film center news dot

com that's info at film center news dot com just in case you guys want to stay

in better contact with us but go ahead nicholas what you Talk about or just

criticized how bad of a job we're doing.

Would you want to just send us a message saying some hate mail?

It's all good.

You guys are terrible.

I bet you are just as ugly as you sound, but yeah.

So getting started is often the biggest problem for a lot of people.

And so we're going to, starting to do a movie and starting to do a TV show.

There's two completely two different routes here Not completely but

starting off they're a little they have similarities each medium is a

different road that you take right?

But we're gonna talk a little bit about starring television because

streaming is really big and movies are not as profitable as they used to be.

That's why everyone watches television.

Until it inevitably flip flops again and then once again, movies are king.

But, it'll go back and forth.

One of the biggest things, and I know this feels duh, but you'd be surprised.

If it was an organization You would be Guys, you would be so surprised.

About the things that you should you're gonna say is duh,

but then people don't have.

But the crazy part is It's me and DJ through all the countless meetings and

consultations that we've been through and some of them being Useless and taking

up a lot of our time of our day, right?

It's always the people that have no idea what they're doing with all the money.

Yeah It's usually people who have no idea what they're doing.

Like literally, no idea what they're doing.

We went to a consultation about some people who wanted to start a podcast, and

they didn't even know what a podcast was.

And it was weird because they brought in an audio engineer.

Hold on.

Before we get on that tangent, let's start with the first section,

which I'm going to call writing.

For some reason, A lot of people don't have a script.

It's very They have a vision.

They have a vision.

And, I'm just telling you, as someone who's a professional,

I'm a professional writer.

Professional screenwriter.

That's how I pay my bills.

By writing.

Let me tell you guys something.

If you have an idea or a vision and it's not written down, you

don't have an idea or a vision.

Ideas are not copyrightable.

I hate to break it to you, but and not only that, there's even those cases in

where and this has happened to me, where, I'm on a water bottle tour, which those

of you who don't know what that is, it means, they call it a water bottle tour

because you're going around to different studios and different production companies

and you're pitching them your idea.

Your your IP rather, which is IP stands for intellectual property, right?

And instead of taking your IP.

I'm not going to reference these studios specifically, but basically they'll hear

your pitch say no, we're not interested.

And then the moment you leave, they will start developing that

your exact pitch to other people.

But the reason why they can do that is because IPs are not ideas

are not copyrightable, right?

A lot of people are take their idea as if that's what's useful.

Your ideas are basically not useful at all there.

There's like nothing like no one cares about them And I hate that a lot of people

like oh But especially because you will talk to some people or as things are based

off their real life and they'll be very defensive to say Oh this is my story.

This is my story I hate to break it to you a lot of people have might have similar

stories no matter how crazy it is Like you know some people they talk about

being in war some people talk about being abused and it's like unfortunately a lot

of people have those stories that they want to tell so What makes you special is

your execution of that story, of the idea.

You have the idea of super fast cars, right?

And some people, but the idea of, oh, someone who's a really great driver,

who's a really great race car driver.

It could be Ford versus Ferrari, or it could be Speed Racer.

But both the ideas are about a really great race car driver, right?

It's just in the execution.

And so is Fast and the Furious.

Even though he's a street racer, right?

And then eventually went to a completely different direction Yeah, I don't know

how they went in the direction they went in but The crazy makes money.

So the craziest part that I think before I got into the industry was The

problem is finishing the product, right?

So you have these directors that you'll say I don't know why Warner Brothers

keeps hiring this director The movies are not good or the writers are not good But

what you guys don't see is the amount of projects that don't get finished Yeah, so

they don't be like one product a product for every one project that's finished.

There's about I want to see at least 1, 500 ones that are not finished.

So the reason they keep hiring that director, or that team, or

that group of people, is because they are finishing the product.

They are getting it done, and, like I said, your ideas, they're

great, but I don't know who you are, who you're listening to.

So there could be grades that could not be, I don't know, but could be,

but everyone, I truly believe this.

Everyone has really great ideas.

Everyone inside of them has really great ideas and actually super

creative, regardless of their ability to there, what's really difficult is

your ability to express it, to execute.

So if you don't have a written script, you might as well not even be telling people

about your TV show or your movie, because.

That's the first thing they're gonna ask.

Anyone who you seriously talk to, or who seriously has money, and

they seriously put things behind it.

They're gonna say, cool, send me the script.

And you're gonna say one thing that I would suggest if you're going to learn

how to write you don't even have to be, this is the crazy part, you don't

even have to be a really good writer.

All you gotta do is just have a finished script.

If your script needs work, guess what?

People are way more willing to give you notes and help you improve a script than

how you actually write one for you, right?

Even if you pay someone to write one for you, I guarantee you it's not going

to be exactly what you wanted it to be because that person is not you, right?

Some really great screenwriting books I don't want to say some things that

are, everyone knows like Story by Robert McKee, everyone knows there's another

one Save the Cat, I am not a fan of Save the Cat as a screenwriting book.

But I think that I've you've saved the cat like McDonald's if you want

food Yeah, this is food Like if you want a screenwriting book on how to

write screenplays like that is one of them But in the beginning of the

book if anyone's actually read it He tells you hey, this will not teach

you how to write all types of scripts.

It only teaches you how to write scripts in which follows

a standard Hollywood model.

If you want to write, if you want to be an actual writer and know

how to write yourself and not have to just follow that formula,

then that is not the book for you.

And he's very honest about it up front.

I'm not just saying that, oh, I don't like that book.

I'm not just going to say I'm defended a little bit.

My favorite screenwriting book is definitely going to have to be

How to Make a Good Script Great.

It's really awesome.

So the second thing that we often run into, another big thing,

is hiring the right crew and finding the right locations.

Yes, hiring the crew and finding the locations, because one of the, one of the

things that me and DJ have come to know.

Hold, so to get started, have a, have your script written.

I'm not even going to talk about the ideas part, just, let's

just have a written script.

Okay.

And then you're going to go into hiring people who can, or working

with people who can get it made, aka, you can either start networking.

There's a lot of places online, like Creative Society and like just a lot of

forums and things like that of people who, like we live in Los Angeles.

You throw a rock and someone works in entertainment around here.

And you might need to do that.

You might need to move somewhere where there are more entertainment,

not only Los Angeles, places like New York, places like Atlanta, places like

New Orleans, places like Nashville.

Anywhere there's a hub.

A good hub of people.

But it's, one of the things that I've come to know, it's really crazy, is a lot of

people just don't have the work ethic.

To do whatever it is.

They're trying to do because there's a lot of people on social media That will

sit there and tell you I can give you step by step play of what you should do

and give you it all for free But it's not gonna matter because 99 percent of you are

not even going to execute on What it is.

I'm telling you to do right and one of the things that people For some

reason do not execute on the most.

I have people who will write scripts to their hands fall off There are

some people who are like that.

I am not one of them.

I like my hands, but One thing that people do not do is when it comes to

finding that network for some reason people are like if you had to Hit up

your friends for lunch You probably wouldn't have a problem doing that.

But then when it comes to networking people, networking with people,

they're usually very, like you said, I can tell you how to find all these

really great networking places, but you're likely not gonna do it, no.

The easiest thing I would say to someone who's shy, or maybe they don't have a

large network as to really find somewhere guaranteed, there is some local places

in which people can, is which you can learn some filmmaking from is I want

to give a big shout out to writing pad.

There's a company called writing pad.

And when I was learning how to write, I met some of my great writing friends

through some of their programs.

But one thing about writers that often are doing other things,

like I'm a writer director, right?

I met a friend of mine who does writing and producing through them

and they're working on our show.

And then I also met another person who's a writer, a cinematographer, and me

and him have made some movies before.

So I know that was just two specific examples from writing pad, right?

But I also know people from film school and stuff like that now if you don't

have to go to film school I personally did that's a different story just

because I felt like I needed a certain level of education I know how I am.

There's also connections that come from it as well, right?

And this is the this is where the who you know comes into play I'll

let people say who you know when it comes to only the money look

There is a, I will say it like this.

Getting the money is very hard to do.

You can do crowdfunding, you can look for investors.

If I was going to give Advice on money sections, particularly, we might have

to get to that in possibly like a followup episode to this one, because

that's a whole thing unto itself.

One of the things that I would say was most surprising getting into the

entertainment industry and, starting to make a living from the entertainment

industry, you have experienced this.

I've experienced this and then we've both together experienced this is The

amount of people that want to be in the entertainment industry and are

in the entertainment industry but don't want to work towards a product

within the entertainment industry.

Do you get what I'm saying by that?

Yeah, there's a lot of people who like, they like the glitz and glamour of, they

love going to red carpets, they love going to the parties, but that's about the

extent of which they actually want to be involved in the entertainment industry.

They like saying oh, I'm a producer.

They don't make anything.

They don't want to get involved.

And I don't write anything.

They don't want to get bogged down by logistics.

They don't want to get bogged down by specifics and details.

They don't want to learn how to do a skill.

They don't, it's it's very confusing.

And that's why I said again, I said previously on the show like if you become

a grip and you learn how to become a grip that is the number one way to me

personally to get into the industry.

I got my first studio job being a grip.

I got my second, third, fourth, fifth studio job being a grip and I'm a writer

and director, but I know how to grip.

I met most of my relationships with a lot of studios began that way.

Now they know who I am.

But again, this is something where you're not going to be on a red carpet, right?

You're not going to have those egotistical flashy stuff, right?

But part of the reason this ties into how he started is okay, cool.

These are people that you want to really look for.

A lot of people don't think oh, everyone knows that you need a director and like

a producer and like a writer, right?

And you need actors that okay, but you're going to need a key grip.

You're also going to need a gaffer, a cinematographer, a DP, you're also going

to need someone to do crafty, you're going to need some PAs, regardless

of whether you actually want them or not, you're going to need some PAs.

You're also going to need someone to do D.

I.

T.

You're going to need some, and those of you who don't know who D.

I.

T.

is, he's the guy who takes your digital who takes all your shots

in Categorizes them for you.

They used to be called loaders when we did film.

Cause they would load up the film, right?

And if you are using film, that's what you're going to need a loader, which I

will say loaders are more expensive now.

And everyone's okay I'll also need a really expensive camera.

I hate to break it to you, but the camera is one of the least important things.

Period.

I remember when I did, when I drove for Uber, way back in the

day, back in like 2014, right?

And I met some very important people, like I met the editor in chief of Rolling

Stone magazine got in my car the head of Warner Brothers was, the president

of Warner Brothers got in my car.

2014, Uber was hot, everyone was using Uber.

And this is Uber X.

This is the basic tier.

Both of them got in the car Not at the same time.

No, it was two different rides But I literally was like if you're really

that guy Why are you in an uber x and he was like you think I got here by just

blowing all my money But it's true The head of warner brothers the president

of warner brothers Was funny because He got in the car with his friend who

was a lawyer, and when he found out I was an actor at the time, he was

like, Oh, you don't want to talk to me.

This is, you obviously want to talk to this guy.

Oh, also, little side note.

Get a good lawyer.

Here's the thing.

Get a great lawyer.

Even if, look, let me tell you, especially when this comes down to

those contracts, because let whatever project you're working on become

successful, it's going to come down to what's happening in the contracts.

We've had Some issues ourself with some people saying that, Oh, okay you're

supposed to pay me a certain way.

And we're like we are going to give you all that money,

but it's put due on this date.

You need to complete your end of the bargain.

There are a lot of people who will try to swindle you and only give

you half of the product and then expect full payment for some reason.

So that's where the contracts come into play.

If you don't have an agent or a manager.

At least find someone that's a good lawyer or do or you know If you don't

have the money to pay for a really big lawyer do something like legal shield

Shout out to legal shield for 25 a month You have access to lawyers and they

can look over those contracts for you They can't write them up for you, but

it's really easy to go and somewhere to get a basic template Right and this

is also where that network comes from Even something as simple as maybe a

Reddit group or something like that.

I personally don't know.

Reddit group, discord, anything like that, but also then get that

free template, draft it, how you think it should be drafted for that

person or position, whether they're a grip, key grip, anything like that.

And look and find out what above the line means and look at all those positions.

We don't have enough time to go into everything, but and then send it to that

person a legal shield for 24 for them to review it to say if it's good or not.

Also get in your head the understanding that you are going to have to go

after these people for your money.

It happens on every single project.

That's why we're telling you to get a good lawyer because these people.

are going to try and screw you over because they can.

That's literally just the reason why it's because they can.

They will try and skimp on the payment, or they'll try and give you a quarter of

the payment, and then try and not pay you.

You will have to go after them legally to get all of your money.

So I don't call it, so we don't call anyone personally.

We've had this issue with every studio we've worked with in every project.

We've worked on.

Yeah, it's not even oh only specifically one or two studios It's like a lot of

them and the way a lot of these studios then only have their funds to be Like they

don't want to pay you But the way they look over the funds is very mismanaged.

There was a famous story about a guy who got I think it was like Two

million out of Fox, just because he was sending them bills, like fake electric

bills, just to their local production.

It's not a secret, the address of these places, right?

Just here in Burbank, he was just sending them a fake electric bill,

and they were just sending him money.

Even though they were already paying an electric bill.

They're very finicky when it comes to paying with you, which is why

the lawyer is really important.

So this, you have your lawyer, you have your contracts, maybe you have a

key grip, you have your team, right?

You have a great written script.

And so if you're doing television, something else that you're going to

need is not just the really great pilot.

So you have two issues.

You have two ways to go.

You have one.

Okay.

I'm going to shoot a pilot.

All right with my team and also when it comes down to the funds I will because we

don't have enough time for this I'll just say that either they need to come from

investors meaning that you need to have a Memorandum set up so the way, they can

have shares in the tv show or in the movie You could find investors that way or you

could do crowdfunding It all depends on how much you need if you are looking for

just you want to just go the The credit card route, I would say set up an LLC,

plan at six to nine months ahead of time.

So that way your LLC can build up credit and then build up a credit history.

Good credit history and then you can easily file for at least like 60K.

It's way more than that.

Some people are getting like half a mil.

Yeah.

Which is through really good business credit.

But anyway.

But if you have all of that, next you're gonna have to look

at being a showrunner and being a writer is two different things.

Movies have writers and directors.

TV shows really are under the showrunner and producer side, right?

Either you have one, a pathway in which you shoot a pilot.

And then you shop around that pilot to get people interested.

Quite with It's Always Sunny.

I would look at, how Always Sunny came up.

Or, you can go in a different direction.

To where, you are trying to get all the scripts written first.

And then have someone pay for the entirety of the project.

And a lot of times for most people, it's like a, it's like a toss up.

Because on one side, yeah, I can shoot the pilot.

So I have something to show, which can give them confidence that you'll do it.

Or there's another side to it to where like you shoot the

pilot and it's not executed.

Once again, it's all about the execution.

It's not about the idea.

It's not executed execution, right?

It's executed in a way in which the studio doesn't like it.

So then they'll say, no, we don't want the idea in its entirety.

So you have to make.

It depends on the opportunity that is presented to you.

Because there are multiple ways in which people can present you with opportunities.

And if you're so lucky to get those opportunities, then

that's the way you go about it.

A really great way to make your project look great and not look

like it's done by amateurs comes down to really only a few things.

And the camera's not one of them.

I'm not saying that you should shoot things on an iPhone, but as

long as it's 4K, You're good to go.

You don't need a red dragon.

You don't need all these super complicated things.

I have made films off of some really basic cameras and won a lot of awards.

So I personally would just focus on, and again, the camera isn't what allows

people to see something amateur or not.

It separates the professionals.

It's the idea.

It's the execution.

The execution of the idea.

But visually, because a lot of people worry about visuals, it

comes down to the lighting, which is something a lot of people don't

really care about for some reason.

I don't know why.

The lighting is one of them.

The color grading is another one.

And coming down to the the production design.

These three things, and what's in front of the camera.

Don't spend a whole bunch of money on the camera, spend a whole bunch of

money on what's in front of the camera.

The production design, the lighting, and the color grading.

And it'll look pretty good.

One of those things that you're really going to need with PD is locations.

Nick, you want to talk a little bit about locations?

Yes Locations is a How do you scout for locations?

The way that you scout for locations is you first of all

How do you scout for locations?

How do I scout for locations?

The way that I scout for locations is I read the script, right?

I sit there and say, Okay Where could this be?

What do I picture it as?

And I talk with the creatives to see what they picture.

I talk with since DJ was the writer, talk with DJ as the writer

saying, this is the idea that I have, this is what I'm thinking.

And have a discussion and a conversation about that.

And then it's basically going out to you can go to Craigslist, you

can go to I think they have space.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is it Giggster?

No, it's yeah, it's Giggster, yeah.

Yeah, it's Giggster.

I did a lot of mine on Giggster.

And, with Giggster, you have to, it's a lot of Traveling so it's

a lot of it's a lot of thing.

Make sure you have a car that can do that, right?

You have a it's a lot of driving.

It's a lot of Hunting down.

It's a lot of talking to people because on Gigster.

It's just regular people, right?

and so finding look and be an understanding that you're not gonna

get the perfect location every time right and it's also Not everybody

is going to give you their location.

We went to one location where it wasn't even, it was like down the street.

And, some people don't want to give their phone number so they just want to talk

to you on Giggster, or they just want to talk to you on the platform, or, it's

a lot of It's a lot of people managing, it's a lot of, and then you sit there

and you have a a scout listing location checklist take somebody with you, since

I was a producer, I had another producer come with me you take pictures, you take

video you sit there and talk to them afterwards and tell them, thank you, And

then after you have the list of locations, then you go back to creatives like,

Hey, here's a couple options we have.

And then someone like me, who's show running really the showrunner or the

director of some movie, but for TV shows, the showrunner would come in and be like,

okay, I do or do not like this place.

It's a lot easier to look at the.

Videos and pictures and make a decision that way and really window it down

to Oh, I want to, this is the one or two place I do want to go and check

out those places in person because the last thing you want to do is

just go behind them and then look at.

Every single location they looked at you might as well just gone with them, right?

And then you would do you know, then you would do the tech scouting which

is whenever the the entire team Comes out and checks out the location.

You've decided that this is the location, right?

This is after you've decided Okay, this is these two locations are what i'd really

whittle it down to and say this is what I This is what I would want to see and

wow, time is really flying by right now.

The last thing I want to talk about is scheduling.

Cause this is all pre production stuff.

We'll call this the pre production episode, the pre produ One thing I

One thing I would say to finish up talking about cameras is The story

that I was talking about the president being in the car, is he was telling

me, himself, he was like Yes, you don't want it to look like crap.

Yes, you don't want it to sound like crap.

Yes, you want it to light well.

But, what a lot of people don't understand is we can throw money at anything.

We can make it look fantastic.

But if you put sprinkles on dog crap, it's still dog crap.

What we're looking for is the execution Of your idea.

How well have you executed it on your own?

And then, once they see that you have that kind of talent,

then they'll put more into it.

Once they see you can actually finish it.

The finishing part is like you'd be surprised.

Then on top of that, you also have things like scheduling.

So when you're doing scheduling, especially for a TV show, unlike a movie,

where it's like, Oh, okay we're going to You know, you do this kind of in movies

too, where you basically show locations.

Some TV shows, they try to go, some TV shows, depending on what the show

is, like if it's a reality show, it might be episode by episode.

But a lot of times you go shoot at a little locations, per location.

Wow, but hey guys, this is the end of the this is the end of the pre

I would say pre production episode.

You're usually going to get some advice because the Oscars are

coming up and a lot of people still want to break into the industry.

And also, realize that as long as you have something executed,

sometimes people write books first.

Game of Thrones was a book first, you know what I'm saying?

There's a lot of things that were books first and then eventually

got transferred into television.

As long as you get it finished and executed, that's really the big takeaway.

Get something finished and executed.

It's a really big takeaway.

Not the ideas, the execution.

Start So hey guys I'm Derek Johnson II.

I'm Nicholas Killian.

And we'll talk to you next time.

See ya.

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