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Gossip Girl S2E08 - Pret-A-Por-J (w/Andy Greene)
Episode 8 • 7th October 2024 • Non Judging Breakfast Pod • Mithril Chain Network
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In this lively episode of the Non Judging Breakfast Pod, hosts Leif and Steve, joined by special guest Andy Greene, dive into Season 2, Episode 8 of Gossip Girl, titled "Pret-a-Poor-J." The trio unpacks the drama as Jenny navigates the fashion world, facing manipulation from Eleanor Waldorf and the influence of a new model friend, Agnes. Meanwhile, Blair's attempts to win over Chuck lead to unexpected hurdles, and Serena encounters a mysterious artist, Aaron Rose. Throughout the episode, the hosts explore themes of ambition, manipulation, and the complexities of teenage relationships, all while sharing their insights and humor. Andy Green, previously of Gossip Guys, brings his unique perspective to the discussion, adding depth and nostalgia to the conversation.

Keywords

Gossip Girl, character dynamics, fashion, relationships, secrets, drama, podcast, analysis

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

03:12 Guest Introduction: Andy Green

10:45 Discussing Jenny's Fashion Journey

18:30 Blair and Chuck's Relationship Dynamics

24:55 Serena's New Connection: Aaron Rose

30:20 Eleanor's Manipulative Tactics

35:40 Nate's Protective Instincts

40:15 The Impact of Agnes on Jenny

45:50 Dan's Schemes and Consequences

52:30 Reflections on Dawson's Creek

1:00:00 Episode Grades and Stock Watch

1:10:00 Best Outfits and Final Thoughts

1:15:00 Plugs and Closing Remarks

"Crimson Poses" By Steve Marchion - https://open.spotify.com/track/2WLAbNdrqnfxZu82cxVkwD?si=846c777d58be43a0

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Andy Greene

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Edited and mixed by Leif Capicola.

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Transcripts

Andy:

Yeah, Dawson, he was masturbating to Katie.

Leif:

Couric, which brings up so many

Leif:

edible, questions.

Steve:

That's so funny.

Andy:

Oh, yeah, because, yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of

Steve:

that. Also, Dorota, why so

Steve:

judgy?

Leif:

Hey, upper east siders and all you scandal loving listeners out

Leif:

there, you just tuned into the non judging breakfast

Leif:

pod, where the coffee is strong, the waffles

Leif:

are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than ever.

Leif:

My name is Leif, and I'm your seasoned gossip girl

Leif:

veteran.

Steve:

And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,

Steve:

the. I don't know, Leif, what's the season

Steve:

two nuke, hit on the block in Gossip girl

Steve:

turns?

Leif:

I don't know, but you're gonna have to take off your shirt and dance for the camera if you want to

Leif:

make it to the top.

Steve:

Well, either that, or I'm gonna have to walk out on Eleanor

Steve:

Waldorf, so.

Leif:

Sounds good.

Steve:

So here's the deal, folks. Leif has been a

Steve:

fan of Gossip Girl since it first aired, and I'm

Steve:

watching for the very first time. And together, we're your

Steve:

dynamic duo, bringing you all the drama,

Steve:

romance, and sometimes questionable

Steve:

fashion choices of this iconic

Steve:

2007 series.

Leif:

That's right. Each week, we're going to take a deep dive into the

Leif:

show one episode at a time. We're going to analyze all the

Leif:

hidden references, parallels, and, of course, the

Leif:

guitar. Guitar. And along the way, we're going to talk about

Leif:

some stories from fandom and some behind the scenes gossip.

Steve:

And since we're all about inclusivity here at the non

Steve:

judging breakfast pod, there's always room for you at the

Steve:

non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab your

Steve:

mimosa, your cup of coffee, or some

Steve:

of, ah, Nate and Chuck special medicine, and let's

Steve:

go ahead and get started.

Leif:

all right. And, Steve, once again, we are not

Leif:

alone. We are with a guesthouse. We are with

Leif:

Andy Green. He is the host

Leif:

of the Naked man podcast and formerly from

Leif:

gossip Guys.

Steve:

Yes.

Leif:

Welcome.

Steve:

Andy.

Leif:

How's it going?

Andy:

Hello. Thank you. I spotted you.

Andy:

Found me.

Andy:

Still, it's a small island, and it's hard, but it's hard

Andy:

to get off of, huh?

Steve:

Yep.

Leif:

Hard to get off the island.

Andy:

Yeah. I thought I'd escaped, and

Andy:

you, roped me back in.

Leif:

So, have you watched any gossip

Leif:

girl since, you know, the podcast

Leif:

ended?

Andy:

I have not. I don't. I don't think so. I.

Andy:

And, we. At one point, we're gonna do the new

Andy:

show and continue. But we. We

Andy:

really. We did, like, 150

Andy:

episodes. We were like, you

Andy:

know, we were losing. Losing the,

Andy:

like thing, and we wanted to keep the original alive

Andy:

and not go down that road, or else I'd still be.

Andy:

Still be there, I guess. But, yeah, I think that was kind

Andy:

of fun to not have, you know, give it a couple

Andy:

years before watching this episode and throw myself in the

Andy:

middle of a season. But, like, I. Yeah, I know where we

Andy:

are. This is, painfully familiar.

Steve:

Now, did you have the same sort of format

Steve:

that we're doing that one of you had seen it and one of you

Steve:

hadn't? And which one you?

Andy:

Ah. Aaron was leaf, and I was

Andy:

you, Steve.

Leif:

Oh, awesome.

Andy:

I was the newbie going into it for the first

Andy:

time, and I actually was going to ask, like, are

Andy:

you. Do you know spoilers going

Andy:

forward?

Steve:

No.

Steve:

The one thing that I say all the time,

Steve:

that by the end of season one, I

Steve:

have avoided spoilers as much as I can, but there's

Steve:

been a couple things that have kind of just brushed

Steve:

past, and it's driven me only to one

Steve:

conclusion, and that's that they're all going to fuck

Steve:

that at some point. By

Steve:

the end, they're, all of them at one

Steve:

point, maybe altogether, I don't know.

Andy:

But, I mean, that would be

Andy:

a good reunion episode if it hasn't happened. I don't

Andy:

want to spoil anything, but, yeah, yeah,

Andy:

I was similar. Like, I mean, I did

Andy:

about midway through, I did get the ultimate spoiler.

Andy:

about who gossip girl is. And

Andy:

so that, of course, shaped the

Andy:

viewing, but, yeah, I hope you can.

Leif:

Don'T drink in podcast.

Steve:

Yeah, our friend

Steve:

Rachel almost spoiled that for me,

Steve:

and I had to, very forcefully

Steve:

say, no, I have not seen the

Steve:

show.

Leif:

So the reason I reached out to you was from, someone on our

Leif:

discord, Jessica Bees.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

And she, she actually wanted to ask, are you still

Leif:

in touch with Aaron?

Andy:

Ooh. Are we ready for that gossip? I don't know if we're

Andy:

ready for that gossip. to be

Andy:

completely honest and transparent, we sort of had a

Andy:

falling out. We kind of. We kind of. We kind of had our

Andy:

breakup. Like, I think gossip girl took a lot out of us,

Andy:

and we. We finished this project, and. And, yeah, we just sort

Andy:

of have different. I mean, the whole show was us

Andy:

being so different from one another.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

Like, talked about it a lot, and it. And that was sort

Andy:

of us arguing and yelling at each other, and that was our

Andy:

relationship, which was good.

Leif:

Yeah, it worked good.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Yeah. Well, thank you.

Andy:

but, yeah, like, I mean, I still wish, you know, the best

Andy:

for him, but, yeah, we're not. We haven't, Yeah, we almost went

Andy:

to forever would, That almost was our sequel show,

Andy:

and I think we both needed to spread our wings and

Andy:

try other things, which is sort of what naked man was for me.

Andy:

And. And I know Aaron's still, you know, riding,

Andy:

plugging away, or as far as I know, you're gonna

Andy:

bring him out and he's, like, behind you, and that.

Leif:

Would be like, no, I was actually

Leif:

thinking about him last week with the news of

Leif:

Shannon Dougherty, so, Oh,

Leif:

yeah.

Andy:

That is. He would really appreciate that thought. And

Andy:

I thought of him as well when I heard that because I know. Yeah. And

Andy:

that's super sad. as well. And then,

Andy:

like, 921 has been hit hard the last

Andy:

couple years.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah. When. When I had the

Steve:

realization that Luke and Brenda were. Both.

Steve:

Had both died, it was really like,

Steve:

wow, those two

Steve:

definitely said it's just those two, right?

Steve:

There's no. Has there been anyone else from

Steve:

any of. None of the other.

Leif:

The older one. The parents, maybe?

Andy:

I think the parents, yeah. But I. I'm not the one to know.

Leif:

I, I'm not a fan of rolling fan show.

Leif:

I thought the acting was not great.

Steve:

I. I was the exact.

Leif:

I don't think the cast is the strong point in Gossip Girl. I think

Leif:

that's what carried his show. Really?

Steve:

Oh, yeah. yeah, that's definitely. I

Steve:

was the perfect age for

Steve:

90210 when that first season came out, too.

Steve:

So my friend and I. And we were both, like,

Steve:

in love with every woman on

Steve:

that cast, too, so

Steve:

we. Yeah, yes.

Leif:

I was a little younger. So before we start the episode, we will talk

Leif:

about the show that I grew up with, which is Dawson's

Leif:

Creek, which, I know, you are a huge fan.

Steve:

That.

Andy:

Yeah, if, like, sort of. That should have been the podcast

Andy:

I did. I mean,

Andy:

spoilers, but I kind of gossip girl. I did not.

Andy:

Like, by the end of it, I was just like, this. Yeah, I have a

Andy:

lot of problems with this show, but it's also always, like, a

Andy:

hate watch, guilty pleasure kind of a thing. I understand.

Andy:

I get it. And I always. But, like, yeah, Creek is my

Andy:

show, probably of any show, like,

Andy:

the most influential in my life, weirdly.

Leif:

Yeah. I was a year younger than the

Leif:

Dawson's Creek. I was class 2002. They were zero

Leif:

one.

Andy:

Oh, so they were the upperclassmen. You were.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah.

Andy:

Having the drama. Yeah, I was a little bit. I was

Andy:

younger and I watched it actually first through

Andy:

TBS. That was where I found it. But

Andy:

I'm like, still I'm on like number four or five watch

Andy:

right now with my partner and she has not seen

Andy:

it. So we're doing the non judging, cape side

Andy:

pod. We're in the last season

Andy:

and it's hard.

Steve:

It's great.

Andy:

It's really hard to get through.

Leif:

I mean, so as a Dawson fan,

Leif:

I actually like the fourth, fifth, and 6th

Leif:

seasons quite a bit. Cause that that's kind of

Leif:

immaturing, those seasons.

Andy:

I I agree with you to a point. Cause I actually

Andy:

really like Dawson's college stuff that he's

Andy:

going on like,

Leif:

The rest with those. Yeah.

Andy:

But like, I think. I think I was into like maybe four.

Andy:

Like, they both start.

Steve:

Four.

Andy:

Four and five will start out really well, I think. Or, like,

Andy:

I'm interested in their new whereabouts, the new

Andy:

storylines, new people. And I think by the end

Andy:

of, I mean, especially five, that one just really drags

Andy:

and is really like,

Leif:

To get four of those by actually my favorite season.

Andy:

Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Okay.

Leif:

That that really was like the redemption of Dawson.

Andy:

It was. And that's. I mean, is that

Andy:

Dawson, after he.

Leif:

Went to the lowest low at the end of season three.

Andy:

Yes.

Leif:

They built, they built. They finally built them out but gave him some

Leif:

growth.

Andy:

I mean, it took some tragedy, but. Yeah,

Andy:

yeah, no, I'm with you. I think I have a soft spot for

Andy:

those seasons. And, I mean, I love Audrey until

Andy:

they, you know, ruin her, but they have to. She

Andy:

can't be one of the main

Andy:

four.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

The way that they treated Jen and Jack anyway, so,

Leif:

yeah, he gave them not very good

Leif:

stories. Yeah.

Andy:

I feel bad about Jack's college years a lot. I

Andy:

have, you know, sleepless nights thinking about that

Andy:

and wondering, oh, man.

Andy:

Yeah, he deserved better than that frat. God damn it.

Leif:

Yeah, that was rough.

Andy:

I think Agnes is Jack's frat, for,

Andy:

like, that's getting ahead of her.

Leif:

All right. So, yes, we are getting in. We're actually here to talk about

Leif:

gastric girl today, season two, episode eight.

Steve:

I'm really glad because I don't know shit about Dawson's

Steve:

Creek.

Leif:

Air j Original air date

Leif:

October 27, 2008

Leif:

anyone get the. Has anyone seen the movie? It's based on,

Leif:

Pret Eporte.

Steve:

Okay. So I

Steve:

know, but

Steve:

Robin instantly recognized the term,

Steve:

which I, which I've never heard before, and she's like,

Steve:

Robin, my wife. Robin instantly

Steve:

said, that's a fashion term. Hold on

Steve:

a second, pret a porter is.

Steve:

It means ready to wear. Ready to wear. Yeah.

Steve:

Essentially off the rack as opposed to courtier,

Steve:

which is custom. So,

Steve:

yeah. Thank you very much, Robin.

Leif:

And so I've not seen the movie, but it's basically. It is a

Leif:

movie takes place during fashion week, and it's a. It's a kind of a

Leif:

whodunit. Kim Basinger's in it.

Andy:

It's got a huge cast. They have a Julia Roberts in it.

Leif:

It has Sophia Loren and Marcello

Leif:

Mastriani, who, if you watch any italian movies from the

Leif:

era, you'll know who that is.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

He's Kim Robbins. Forrest Whitaker. Yeah. Robert Altman directed it.

Andy:

I did not see it. I was. I was thinking about

Andy:

the fiore.

Leif:

Lauren.

Andy:

Yeah. But Lauren Bacall. The

Andy:

reviews are bad. Lauren Bacall's in it.

Leif:

Oh, Tim Robbins.

Andy:

Yeah.

Leif:

Yeah. So, but, yeah. Never seen it.

Steve:

Nope.

Andy:

We're not ready to watch. We're ready to wear.

Leif:

The gossip girl wiki episode description

Leif:

reads, jenny befriends a young model, Agnes,

Leif:

who encourages Jenny to not only explore her wild side

Leif:

but also confront her boss, Eleanor Waldorf,

Leif:

who is attempting to borrow Jenny's

Leif:

designs. Serena meets an artist, Aaron

Leif:

Rose, and realizes they have instant chemistry.

Leif:

Blair attempts to seduce Chuck, but it

Leif:

proves tougher than she ever imagined.

Leif:

Pretty accurate.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Unfortunately, in the first season, we had these, we were

Leif:

doing television without pity recast, but they kind

Leif:

of stopped doing those. unfortunately, they were much funnier.

Andy:

Oh, okay. Yeah, this one's

Andy:

very dry, but also.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah. It's very factual. It's like. Yes. That is a

Steve:

very good recap.

Andy:

Okay. That's the show then.

Steve:

Yeah. Thank you, everybody.

Leif:

Thanks for sending it.

Steve:

Yeah. Andy, everybody.

Leif:

Yes. The episode was written by

Leif:

Amanda Lasher. This is her first of 13

Leif:

episodes, so. First time we had a newbie in a little while here.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

She looks like she kind of bounces around from writers room to writers

Leif:

room because she, has, like, an episode or two and then, like, 13

Leif:

episodes as a producer. So she's,

Leif:

like, clearly in the writer's room.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Yeah. And then it was directed by

Leif:

Von D. Curtis hall, who I had

Leif:

no idea who this was, but if you bring up a picture, he's actually

Leif:

an actor. He's a character actor, and I'm sure

Leif:

you've seen him in something. The, thing that I recognized most

Leif:

from was, the Romeo Juliet, the wise bourbon. He

Leif:

was Captain Prince.

Andy:

He's a dare novel, too. He's like Ben Yurick.

Leif:

And, yeah, he's been in a million things.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

and he's apparently he's just directed, like, maybe

Leif:

1520 episodes of tv here and there. I, think

Leif:

the most one was Firefly.

Leif:

He directed the episode. R misses Reynolds.

Steve:

Oh, love that episode, too.

Andy:

Yeah, that's,

Andy:

good for Vondi.

Steve:

Yeah. Right.

Leif:

So we move into act one.

Leif:

Every girl fantasizes about finding her prince

Leif:

charming, but it's that prince that refuses to come.

Leif:

A girl has to take matters into her own

Leif:

hands. The episode opens with Toronto

Leif:

catching Blair walking the dog. In

Leif:

Dawson's Creek's parlance.

Andy:

Yes, I caught that.

Steve:

Ok, so I didn't get to the reference, but

Steve:

that makes sense.

Leif:

Yeah, it's the pilot episode.

Steve:

I read that to Robin and she said, I've never heard it

Steve:

referred to that before.

Leif:

That's how they got. They got around the sensors that way. Oh,

Leif:

they're the pilot episode.

Steve:

Great. Yeah.

Andy:

Dawson's was. He was masturbating to Katie Couric,

Andy:

which is.

Leif:

Brings up so many edible, questions.

Steve:

That's so funny.

Andy:

Oh, yeah, because. Yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of

Steve:

that. Also, Dorota. Why so

Steve:

judgy?

Leif:

Like, you know, she comes from that

Leif:

eastern european. Jack's

Leif:

Catholic.

Steve:

God is always watching. And how do you, like.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

Knows then. Right?

Steve:

Like, she's, like she. Yeah.

Andy:

Was, she listening? Like, or. She just has a 6th sense.

Steve:

That's what I was wondering. Like, how do you know what's going on

Steve:

there? And that's.

Andy:

Maybe it's just her daily routine and I. And I

Andy:

props the gossip girl for just, like, starting us off and

Andy:

there's no judgment whatsoever. Of course.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Just like gotta do when the prince isn't

Andy:

coming.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

In Brooklyn, Dan and Rufus and eat

Leif:

waffles. While Jenny appears to be more integral than ever

Leif:

at Waldorf designs, she is chewing people out on the

Leif:

phone like a seasoned pro. We also see Jenny

Leif:

bump into a shirtless Nate who is still staying

Leif:

with the humphries.

Steve:

I hate the hair. I hate

Steve:

it.

Leif:

Jenny.

Steve:

The Jenny hair? Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. No, Jenny hair is rough.

Leif:

Yeah.

Steve:

I mean, she.

Leif:

From rumors. It's. She, Taylor must have just kind of cut

Leif:

her hair herself one day and showed up to set that way.

Steve:

It looks like a wig.

Leif:

Like, she came in and, like, she had cut it herself and they're

Leif:

like, oh, crap. Let's see what we can do with this.

Andy:

Yeah, I mean, I feel like her. Yeah, her

Andy:

Persona herself, like, was really going through shit the same

Andy:

time so they, just made Jenny do this.

Leif:

And she never wanted to be an actress. Yeah, she was

Leif:

forced into it by her parents.

Andy:

You can see this is, like, step one of her pretty reckless look.

Andy:

Like, it doesn't.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Work. It doesn't work at all in this, but, like,

Andy:

I eventually does.

Steve:

So she grows into it. Yeah, she really does.

Andy:

Like, you just need to let the hair grow a little bit and. But, yeah, she has

Andy:

the, like, the raccoon makeup comes up.

Steve:

Yep.

Andy:

This is the first time that comes out.

Steve:

Yeah, this much. And.

Steve:

And, like, it's a gradual. Just punk a

Steve:

fication throughout the entire episode, too, that she

Steve:

ends with, like, the leather jacket with studs and shit on

Steve:

it, like Brian's, like a butterfly knife

Steve:

in her pocket.

Steve:

Yes.

Andy:

I wish. Yeah, I wanted to. We're gonna talk about

Andy:

outfits, but I just want to say Nate Natal

Andy:

is pretty tough to beat.

Steve:

Just gonna say.

Leif:

Oh, yeah.

Andy:

A lot of terrible fashion in this episode, even though

Andy:

it's a fashion, like, centric one.

Andy:

Like, I hate Jenny's dress. I wrote that down right

Andy:

before. Like, well, we'll get to it. But anyway.

Andy:

Yeah, the one she made, of.

Steve:

It's funny because I love that dress.

Andy:

Oh, really?

Steve:

Yeah, yeah.

Leif:

Chuck rolls up to Blair in his limo and continues to

Leif:

taunt her about, saying those three little

Leif:

words. They keep going with her back and forth.

Steve:

Yeah, she caved like that.

Steve:

She just. Oh, all right, I don't have to say it. Okay, I'll

Steve:

come on into the car.

Steve:

It didn't take much to get her to the

Steve:

door.

Andy:

They both do that, like, the whole episode, you know?

Steve:

Yeah, it's great.

Leif:

Jenny appears to be bonding with a model played by Will

Leif:

Holland of the OC and Arrow fame.

Leif:

Jenny is trying to learn from Eleanor in a

Leif:

buyers meeting, but Eleanor seems to be blowing her off.

Steve:

Agnes instantly seems like bad news. Yeah.

Leif:

She seems fun, though.

Steve:

She does seem fun.

Andy:

She is. yeah, she's like the devil on the shoulder.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Like, I don't know. Like, there's. There's good in there, too,

Andy:

because I like what she's saying a lot of the

Andy:

time, you know?

Steve:

I like what she's saying. I don't like what she's

Steve:

doing, you know? Yeah.

Andy:

Especially as we go on, like.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah. Like, she's saying

Steve:

the great things, but she's not backing those things

Steve:

up in the, like, immediately

Steve:

and is very dangerous bubble. Yeah.

Andy:

Like, dangerous elements into the play.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Andy:

But fuck Eleanor. Sorry.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck Eleanor in this

Steve:

because I've really had especially the

Steve:

Jenny Eleanor relationship, I felt was.

Steve:

Has been good. Yeah.

Leif:

Yeah. But I think. Yeah. I

Leif:

mean, it's. It's a tough position for Eleanor. That, too.

Steve:

yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

all the buyers want are what she has, and.

Leif:

Yeah. I mean, but it's still

Leif:

fucked up what she's done.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Year old's work. Like, she's. Yeah, she's in trouble.

Leif:

Eleanor, so, yeah, she does some hard manipulation.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Nate steps into the atelier just to deliver

Leif:

a binder Jenny left at home. After Nate leaves,

Leif:

Jenny's new model friend points out that Nate totally

Leif:

wants to do Jenny.

Steve:

She's not wrong. Yeah.

Andy:

Nope. Yeah. You could see it in his eyes. It's very

Andy:

clear.

Steve:

You don't dry. You don't go. You don't take

Steve:

the binder all the way to someone's work,

Steve:

to. Yes. You're like,

Steve:

you're into them. Yeah. At that

Steve:

age, that's a, year into them.

Andy:

I mean, it could be a great friend move, but, like, I

Andy:

mean, Dan's doing the same thing, like, he's being a friend just so he can stay

Andy:

close.

Steve:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Andy:

It's not like. Yeah, I.

Andy:

Yeah.

Leif:

Dan and Serena meet at school and still seem to

Leif:

be in a good place. After the conversation last week, they

Leif:

are interrupted by Blair, who needs help with her chuck

Leif:

problem. Serena convinces Blair to let Dan

Leif:

help.

Steve:

My note here is, oh, well, if Warren Buffett says

Steve:

so.

Leif:

Yeah. there was so many good singers in the scene, yet

Leif:

you have to help me destroy Chuck bass.

Leif:

Just because you two are making the doomed attempt to

Leif:

make to be friends doesn't mean I have to play

Leif:

the enabler. And you need

Leif:

help with getting Chuck to sleep with you. Really?

Steve:

And also, just lie and say it.

Steve:

College guys have been doing that for years.

Steve:

College guys have been getting away with that for years.

Leif:

you see Dan kind of disgusted, saying that. He

Leif:

does make a disgusted face as he's saying it.

Andy:

Yeah, there's a lot of disgust in

Andy:

the whole conversation, but I really like Dan and

Andy:

Blair back and forth.

Leif:

their chemistry is always great.

Steve:

Yeah. A good Dan Blair team up works

Steve:

for me. I do like their chemistry. I

Steve:

do like, and there's.

Steve:

There's even a moment later in the show where. Where you

Steve:

just really see some, like, really good,

Steve:

like, chemistry. Yeah.

Leif:

Next up, we get Eleanor manipulating Jenny into

Leif:

offering to give Eleanor another one of Jenny's

Leif:

designs. Sounds like Jenny has an all nighter ahead

Leif:

of her.

Steve:

Fuck Eleanor with this.

Leif:

This is really.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

She was, just clearly manipulating.

Andy:

Yeah, well, it's just, like, I don't know.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

I can't help but, you know, the power dynamic of that.

Andy:

And, like, she's literally a 15 year old intern. She's

Andy:

probably not getting. Not getting paid, and she's.

Andy:

By doing that, she will be able to steal her designs.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

And, like, just, you know, coming out of Hollywood, too, it's just like, oh,

Andy:

God, all the alarm, all the different things. What are you

Andy:

getting out of this, Jenny? And she's also making these false

Andy:

promises, like, oh, the guy from Bloomingdale's who get to be in the

Andy:

meeting.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Blair appears to take the advice to heart,

Leif:

and let's see if Chuck falls for the bait. I know I

Leif:

would.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Because blair acting like that. yeah.

Steve:

Yeah. Well, and what's really funny,

Steve:

and I actually. Well, I'll wait till. Because I have the note for the next

Steve:

scene, but because she kind of continues this

Steve:

going on with this

Steve:

spotted.

Leif:

Upper east side beauty laying down the gauntlet for her

Leif:

favorite beast. But careful, princess. It's going

Leif:

to take more than a little leg to get this prince to ravish

Leif:

you. We move into act

Leif:

two, and at the bar, Blair is

Leif:

flirting hard, and Chuck calls out the

Leif:

desperation.

Leif:

E. That's rough for blair.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

I like desperation as the name of a, cologne.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It smells like

Steve:

desperation.

Andy:

I feel that way whenever I. If I can smell

Andy:

it, like, from far away, it's like. That's what it is. Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah. And Dan's advice was

Steve:

always be around, always be present.

Steve:

It wasn't throw yourself at

Steve:

him and, like, grab his. Grab his

Steve:

crotch at a restaurant. Like, it was

Steve:

like, be there so he's. So

Steve:

you're always in his field of vision. Yeah.

Andy:

Right. It was kind of teased, but not like.

Leif:

But Blair doesn't do half measures.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy:

So I think Dan's advice was right. Rather than her

Andy:

disappearing.

Steve:

No. Yeah.

Leif:

Serena shows up the gallery looking for Dan and meets

Leif:

Rufus new artist Aaron Rose. The pair

Leif:

seemed to be getting on quite well. So what do we think of

Leif:

Aaron?

Steve:

I'm really glad that Serena didn't

Steve:

have anything to put in her mouth, because that's

Steve:

how she flirts. Cause she flirts by trying

Steve:

to sexy lick martini glasses

Steve:

or eat strawberries in a way no one ever eats

Steve:

strawberries. I was worried she's gonna lick the

Steve:

wall.

Andy:

That's a great note. That's really funny.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Cause she's very obvious. Like, she's there flirting

Andy:

and in. I. You know, it's hard to be. Not

Andy:

hate Aaron Rose just for where it goes. But I just. I

Andy:

like him anyway.

Leif:

Like, he's kind of flat. He's just

Leif:

kind of there. He's Dan light, but, like,

Leif:

Serena has a type. Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah, absolutely.

Andy:

I'm like, dan really does.

Steve:

Like, the boring. Dan's, like,

Steve:

well, the artist.

Andy:

But, like, I'll talk about his arc when we get to the

Andy:

gallery because I'm like, what?

Leif:

and another part of the gallery, Dan and Vanessa

Leif:

are chatting when Dan gets a call from Blaire.

Leif:

Dan gives Blair some additional advice on her

Leif:

quest to bag a bass.

Leif:

yeah. And, of course, that's a

Leif:

judgy reaction to him getting the call from

Leif:

Blair.

Andy:

Yeah, but this is post, you know,

Andy:

her getting ruined recently. Right. So.

Leif:

But she brought that on herself. She just.

Leif:

Out of nowhere.

Steve:

Thank you.

Andy:

No one's innocent. Like,

Andy:

better. Same with Dan, but. And they're. They're all. They're all

Andy:

shit. That's the.

Steve:

Yeah, she just sucks at, like, I

Steve:

just. Because, like, Dan

Steve:

with the whole, like, oh, I need to take this. I felt like he was just trying

Steve:

to get out of the conversation with Vanessa.

Leif:

we talked about this last week, but in the first

Leif:

season, Vanessa was

Leif:

kind of a good person, but she was

Leif:

forced into every situation,

Leif:

and that made the audience hate her. But

Leif:

starting with that last episode, we felt the writers kind of

Leif:

leaned into her being a villain, being that.

Andy:

Yeah, I think that's true. I think that makes sense.

Leif:

And that is more and more as the show goes on, I think.

Andy:

Well, yeah. And it's kind of like they just don't know what to do with

Andy:

her. They put her in there, for some. I mean, I guess

Andy:

for. I mean, honestly, diversity purposes or

Andy:

something. But also, like, okay, let's add more love triangle

Andy:

stuff. That doesn't really.

Leif:

So Vanessa is a character in the books, but

Leif:

she goes to school with everyone else, and

Leif:

she's rich, but she's also an outsider. Her

Leif:

and Dan are kind of like the edgy

Leif:

poets who smoke a million cigarettes a day.

Andy:

That sounds like what's his name, too. Aaron Rose would be.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy:

I was going to say a note about the, like, phone thing. Like, especially with. I

Andy:

mean, we're going to talk about. Well, I guess it's the next thing. But, like, people

Andy:

are just so on their phones. It's obviously gossip girl. But,

Andy:

like, how rude are we? You know, we're with each other. Let's

Andy:

see.

Andy:

Like, do you really look at the phone?

Steve:

I actually have a note for later on that says

Steve:

that people in 2008 didn't turn their ringers

Steve:

off. Yes. Who has their ringer

Steve:

on that much?

Andy:

It's a plot device, so they need to. Right, right.

Steve:

I also feel, though, in 2008, it was kind of a status

Steve:

thing. Like, you had a cell phone and

Steve:

you're.

Leif:

You had the cool ringtone and you.

Steve:

Had the cool ringtone. Yeah.

Andy:

And someone wanted to talk to you and it.

Andy:

Look.

Steve:

Yeah, I'm texting now.

Steve:

Yeah, that's true.

Andy:

That all checks.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

I had this Zelda theme song as my ring ten. I was

Leif:

pretty proud of that one.

Steve:

I actually programmed one. I had a phone that

Steve:

you could program a ringtone, and I put in one of my original

Steve:

songs as my own ringtone.

Steve:

That was neat.

Andy:

Are you going to share that in the show notes?

Andy:

I want to listen to it. I just.

Steve:

Well, it's funny. Well, because it was an old

Steve:

Nokia phone, so it could only do, like, one. Noted.

Steve:

Like,

Steve:

but if you actually. My album on Spotify, it's actually

Steve:

called Crimson poses. The whole song is on Spotify,

Steve:

but it was just the melody for it on a Nokia

Steve:

phone.

Andy:

Nice. Good plug. Mine was boom, boom, boom by

Andy:

the vanguard boys.

Steve:

Oh, yes.

Andy:

Which is, wild and inappropriate.

Leif:

Dan comes to grab Serena to go out to eat and

Leif:

clears up with, Aaron that they are not currently

Leif:

dating.

Leif:

We used to date, but we're not anymore. Totally not dating.

Leif:

We're just friends.

Steve:

Yep.

Andy:

I'm out of this. Fuck these people.

Steve:

I didn't have a note for this scene. There are several scenes in

Steve:

this episode that I felt just went nowhere.

Steve:

In general, I felt this episode didn't

Steve:

go anywhere. But we'll

Steve:

get to that more later. But that's one of these scenes that

Steve:

I just.

Leif:

Okay, well, I feel this is another transition

Leif:

episode.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

We kind of finished up the arcs we were doing before. Now we're going

Leif:

into the next kind of set of arc.

Steve:

I think, going into it knowing it was going to be the

Steve:

Chuck Blair episode eight

Steve:

of the season, I was expecting

Steve:

at least a little bit more.

Leif:

No, seven's the Chuck Blair episode.

Leif:

Oh, the one we just did.

Steve:

Well, they had a big episode here too.

Leif:

Yeah. Did you, guys catch on to that at all?

Leif:

There's episodes in each season that are kind

Leif:

of seven. Or Chuck and Blair ten. Or Dan and

Leif:

Serena at 18 or Dan and Blair.

Andy:

Honestly, no. Well done. I, mean,

Andy:

I feel like we identified the patterns, but we didn't

Andy:

necessarily do the. Like, the numerology.

Leif:

But I love that we talk about

Leif:

this a lot. The writers, while the

Leif:

writing is not good, they know, like,

Leif:

a lot of things about writing.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

And they just drop in, like, all these little nuggets and stuff into the

Leif:

show.

Steve:

We often say that they'd be great writing teachers

Steve:

that, like. And I'm a writing. As a former writing

Steve:

teacher, I'm saying, like, I'm not trying

Steve:

to knock the knock writing teachers, but they really know

Steve:

a lot of the tricks to writing and

Steve:

know the tricks to good writing. It's

Steve:

the actual dialogue and pen to paper

Steve:

stuff that it's like that they get hung up

Steve:

on.

Andy:

And there is a lot of leaning on the classic

Andy:

tropes, but, I mean, that's kind of the tricks of, like, oh, someone's

Andy:

listening in on someone, or someone just shows up, or, you

Andy:

know, like the classic, ooh, someone read the text message.

Andy:

Like, that's half the show.

Steve:

Yeah, exactly.

Leif:

Now, were you a fan of the.

Andy:

I was, yeah.

Leif:

Did you read or listen

Leif:

to the, oral history that came out last year?

Andy:

I did not.

Leif:

Oh, yeah. It was the 20th anniversary.

Leif:

It's worth getting the audiobook as Josh Schwartz,

Leif:

Stephanie Savage, melinda, Clark,

Leif:

Rachel Bilson all read their own parts, on

Leif:

the audiobook, but it's kind of like the behind the

Leif:

scenes, and I'm really hoping we get that for

Leif:

Gossip girl in a couple years for their 20th anniversary.

Andy:

That that would be great. Yeah.

Leif:

Because, like, I have. I have a ton of theories of all the. What's

Leif:

going on behind the scenes, and because

Leif:

it's well known that Josh Schwartz reads message

Leif:

boards, but also, he basically left

Leif:

the show by the end of the first season,

Leif:

right?

Andy:

Yeah. Did he. I mean, was this. Is he on Chuck right

Andy:

now, then?

Leif:

Yeah, they were. They were at the same time. And he definitely

Leif:

focused more on Chuck. because.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Bigger network. Plus, I think he was just kind of bored with teen dramas at that

Leif:

point.

Andy:

Right. He'd already done the other ones. Yeah, I was a Chuck fan, so

Andy:

I. Yeah.

Leif:

That's good. Yeah, this is good show. At least for a few

Leif:

seasons.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Jenny and Agnes are out grabbing an,

Leif:

after work drink, and Agnes, like everyone else, loves

Leif:

Jenny's dress. The girls trade outfits, then

Leif:

meet up with Agnes's friend Max.

Leif:

don't like Max.

Andy:

No photos that much.

Steve:

It's creepy. Yeah.

Leif:

And take a picture of the 15 year old girl

Leif:

who's, at a bar.

Steve:

The 15 year old girl at a bar drinking, like,

Steve:

and what do you like? Didn't you just say, oh, I'm gonna have to

Steve:

work on this all night, and now you're at a fucking bar?

Steve:

Like, what the fuck is, going on

Steve:

in your head?

Leif:

She's 15.

Steve:

Yeah, but, like, she.

Andy:

When you do. When you.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

And this older girls do tell her, come out, Marty.

Steve:

I mean, come on.

Andy:

This older model, I would have said.

Leif:

I totally would.

Andy:

Well, and she's the model also, and, like, is

Andy:

playing the, like, ooh, I know that. I mean, she knows the

Andy:

industry. She has connections. That's what Max is, right?

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

And that's so gross and scary about

Andy:

it because it's like, oh, Jenny, this is another

Andy:

way, another path, especially since Eleanor right now is.

Andy:

Doesn't seem like, the right fit more because she's

Andy:

exploiting Jenny. So it's like, I feel

Andy:

for Jenny a lot, and, I mean, obviously,

Andy:

Jenny doesn't act very well in the show ever, but

Andy:

she's a child, and the show is very

Andy:

predatory, toward her throughout.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

Jenny's, my favorite character.

Andy:

Nice.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Dan and Serena are, trying to have a

Leif:

conversation but keep getting interrupted by Blair's

Leif:

status update texts.

Steve:

This was another one of those,

Steve:

you know, they're trying to force Dan and Serena together

Steve:

to this conversation. And then the cell

Steve:

phone going off, it's just. It didn't seem

Steve:

necessary. Like, it just felt forced and

Steve:

unnecessary.

Andy:

yeah, I agree. I don't think it. I mean, it didn't really build any

Andy:

tension other than, like, yeah, Dan's annoyed by it

Andy:

or, like, doesn't fit in this, but he's. He's playing the game because

Andy:

he wants to be with Serena, so.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Like, I think we've already hit that note several

Andy:

times, but, yeah, I'm with you.

Leif:

Chuck comes home, a crumpled paper bag of

Leif:

porn in hand to find Blair relaxing in

Leif:

Serena's room. Blair almost gets what she

Leif:

wants, but Chuck discovers the text conversation with

Leif:

Serena and managed to. Once again, cool is

Leif:

jets.

Steve:

This is the. This is where I had the cell phone note because

Steve:

the text messages that keep going off.

Andy:

Yeah, yeah.

Leif:

The show is really, going hard on the masturbation on this

Leif:

episode, though.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah, they are.

Andy:

The seduction. Like, lingerie was one of my other,

Andy:

like, favorite outfits. is that where we are

Andy:

right there?

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Leif:

Chuck's the guy who goes out and buy,

Leif:

gets poured and gets it in a big paper

Leif:

bag that looks super chic.

Leif:

This is 2008, and he had the Internet.

Andy:

Yeah, no, it was very weird, but it seems like

Andy:

something he would do.

Steve:

I like that. Right? The guy that really, like,

Steve:

idolizes old school, like, yeah. You

Steve:

know, playboys and

Steve:

gangsters.

Andy:

Yeah, maybe that was, like, a vintage issue. Like,

Andy:

he went shopping and, like, tried to really, like he

Andy:

was.

Leif:

Eight millimeter film.

Steve:

Yeah, I'd like the 1972

Steve:

December shootdev.

Leif:

Right.

Leif:

He would find, JFK and Marilyn Monroe's sex

Leif:

tape. Yeah, buddy, go meet her fill.

Andy:

Oh, man, that's a worthwhile

Andy:

search.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

we get a photo montage of Jenny with

Leif:

Agnes wearing Jenny's dress. Then she. The

Leif:

scene cuts to them sitting at the bar. Agnes

Leif:

friend Max gets super creepy super quick.

Leif:

And Jenny bails for the party, but forgets to get her dressed

Leif:

before Agnes leaves.

Steve:

Yeah, so fucking creepy.

Leif:

Good for Jenny for getting out of that situation.

Steve:

Yes.

Leif:

Shame she didn't. Wasn't a little quicker with a

Leif:

dress?

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy:

She. I mean, she shouldn't have swapped dresses so

Andy:

quickly. It's the same thing, same problem with

Andy:

Eleanor.

Leif:

That means they got, like, naked in a bar bathroom.

Leif:

Yeah, it's kind of.

Andy:

That was not a good bathroom, I imagine.

Andy:

but of course, they all fit the same. Everyone's

Andy:

like, oh, of course.

Steve:

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andy:

Although I guess they have similar builds. They're both just, like, tall,

Andy:

skinny.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

I don't know.

Leif:

Sorry, Jay, but in the real world, you can't take a

Leif:

note to the principal when the drunken model eats your homework.

Leif:

The next morning, Agnes delivers the dress to a

Leif:

frustrated Jenny. Agnes advises her not

Leif:

to just hand it over her work to Eleanor.

Leif:

Good advice, I think.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah. And that line

Steve:

that, she's like. Or they're gonna say that your stuff looks like

Steve:

Eleanor's. You know, like.

Andy:

Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Like, once

Andy:

Eleanor takes credit for that one, and that's her

Andy:

style, you're kind of screwed. It, needs

Andy:

to be a collab. It needs to be like,

Andy:

yeah, no, she is being taken advantage of, and I think there's just a

Andy:

way to thread the needle. Maybe that's a pun

Andy:

intended, but, I don't know, I just like. Yeah,

Andy:

I like what Agnes is saying, but she's also

Andy:

just why we trust in this lady who was

Andy:

such an asshole to you. She's so fake, just like everyone.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah. And

Steve:

she's coming across as fake and also like,

Steve:

aren't you sabotaging your own career by,

Steve:

like, telling that you're modeling

Steve:

for the Waldorf company and now you're telling one of

Steve:

their, like, interns? No, fuck

Steve:

this place. You should be doing your own thing.

Steve:

Like, that doesn't seem like a good career move.

Steve:

Cause Eleanor is pretty picky about who she works with.

Leif:

Well, she is, like, 17, so she's on her way out at this.

Steve:

Point, she's already retirement age

Steve:

fair.

Andy:

I mean, or it, like, shows. I mean, how it shows to

Andy:

Jenny is like, oh, my God, this person's legit. And, like, sees something

Andy:

in me. And. But also, if we trust Agnes is, like,

Andy:

knowing anything about this world, it shows really

Andy:

poorly on Eleanor. Right. That she actually sees Jenny as a better

Andy:

investment for her, you know? Like,

Andy:

that's why she's doing it.

Steve:

Right.

Andy:

Like, this has to help Agnes or Max. Like, because

Andy:

it's, like some cult thing or, you know, whatever.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

but, yeah, it is wild. Like, I was thinking

Andy:

about that, too. Like, what other jobs is she doing? As she knows all these

Andy:

people at nylon or whatever?

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.

Leif:

they gave that, like, a lot of the casted interviews with that magazine,

Leif:

so I think they're kind of hooked in with the show.

Andy:

Yeah.

Leif:

Serena brings Blair to Brooklyn for more advice from

Leif:

Dan, but really, she was just using as excuse to

Leif:

see Aaron again.

Steve:

No notes.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah.

Andy:

Do we like. Well, I mean, I guess I was going to talk about the Blair

Andy:

outfit, the Joker outfit. Do we like the Joker

Andy:

outfit?

Steve:

Yeah, I was thrown by that. Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. They would have worked separately. Like, they were both a

Andy:

good top, a good bottom, but, like, together, it's just like.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, very. Yeah. It was kind of jarring

Steve:

and, Yeah. And I felt

Steve:

like it was trying to almost do a mix of

Steve:

her style and Chuck style because Chuck is so

Steve:

purple. Right. So much of the time,

Steve:

and it didn't. It didn't work.

Andy:

Oh, maybe that was sort of what it was. It was like this half and half

Andy:

this, like. And that's why it didn't work, because she's

Andy:

in there, like, on opposite ends of this.

Andy:

Not. There's not a blend of it or.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah.

Andy:

Other. Or, They're losing themselves in this game.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, I did that. I did find

Steve:

that the outfit caught my eye enough to be

Steve:

symbolic.

Leif:

So Aaron and Serena flirt

Leif:

for a bit while we see a nice conversation between Dan and

Leif:

Blair. We once again see Blair get vulnerable

Leif:

with Dan.

Steve:

Yeah, I was waiting for her to pull out strawberries

Steve:

again and just start sexy eating.

Leif:

Serena.

Steve:

Serena. Yeah.

Leif:

But, yeah, the player getting vulnerable with that

Leif:

is a, reference to, 104 with bad, news.

Leif:

Blair.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, I always. Yeah, go

Steve:

ahead, Andy.

Andy:

Oh, no, no, no. I was just going to say that I really. I just

Andy:

like, there's something nice about that vulnerability

Andy:

that we don't see from Blair ever. But, like, she hates

Andy:

Dan, yet she is just sort of very,

Andy:

like, honest and real in a way that even.

Leif:

Like, I, guess she just doesn't care what he. What he thinks

Leif:

at all at this point.

Steve:

But I feel like there's this moment in the end of that

Steve:

conversation, too, where you see her

Steve:

look at him differently, and you can see that she's

Steve:

seeing him differently. And I, And again,

Steve:

I mean, that's Leighton Meester just fucking

Steve:

crushing the acting chops every

Steve:

step of the way. But she just really conveyed that,

Steve:

like, switch that changed in

Steve:

her, the way she looked at him.

Leif:

And I actually did write down this quote from Dan.

Leif:

You have to decide what's more important to you.

Leif:

Keeping your pride in getting nothing or taking a

Leif:

risk and maybe. Maybe having

Leif:

everything. I thought that was a really good line.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy:

He's right.

Steve:

You know, it's like, think about that sometimes.

Andy:

M he should follow his own advice. Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah.

Andy:

I loved it. And I also. I just think

Andy:

I like what you're saying about Blair having that moment of

Andy:

seeing Dan in a new light. I think there's. It's almost like

Andy:

a, oh, I can see why Serena maybe likes this guy

Andy:

and keeps him around, but it's also like, oh, he might actually be

Andy:

useful.

Steve:

She sees value in him. Yes.

Andy:

That's how players everyone.

Steve:

Yeah, that was actually one of the. One of

Steve:

the phrasings that I use talking about it with. With

Steve:

Robin. Yeah. She sees value in

Steve:

him.

Andy:

Now, side note,

Andy:

I just find it hilarious that. Okay, so Steve is my dad's

Andy:

name. Robin is my sister's name. And I just

Andy:

was like, oh, and then we also. I'm just

Andy:

like, plus we got Aaron and

Andy:

Aaron.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, Aaron and Aaron.

Andy:

Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, we're all over the

Andy:

place. A lot of magic going.

Leif:

at the atelier, Eleanor

Leif:

shuts Jenny down again. Jenny

Leif:

has had enough. Jenny takes her

Leif:

metaphorical ball and goes home,

Leif:

grabs the dress, and. Yeah, even the

Leif:

original one from the two weeks ago.

Steve:

Yeah, the green.

Andy:

Yeah.

Steve:

I really liked this scene. I thought

Steve:

that it was, first of all, these are two,

Steve:

again, really powerhouse actors. Two of the better

Steve:

actors on the show go. And I really

Steve:

love when they have scenes together, and this is their

Steve:

first real con, a, big conflict.

Steve:

Yeah. And I. And where both

Steve:

of them make good points and both

Steve:

of them are speaking very true

Steve:

things, and. And so it just is

Steve:

a very honest, real world

Steve:

sort of momentous. It was a very

Steve:

gripping moment. I felt probably the best scene in the. In

Steve:

the episode.

Andy:

I was. Yeah, I was just kind of like, I agree.

Andy:

They both have good points, but I just, like, Eleanor says it herself. Like,

Andy:

why is she giving all this responsibility to a child?

Steve:

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy:

You know, it's your fault, Eleanor. That's what. You're the boss,

Andy:

and you're.

Steve:

Yeah, it does come down to Eleanor needed to be the

Steve:

grown up all along, but she was taking advantage of this,

Steve:

kidde, and. And I don't know that

Steve:

Eleanor really fully would have put it in those

Steve:

words until that moment. And I think that Eleanor kind of

Steve:

realized what she was doing in that moment, too,

Steve:

but wasn't going to stop doing it.

Andy:

Yeah, I hope so. I don't know if I. If I.

Andy:

If she's learned that lesson yet. Maybe, like, once she's.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Out the door, you're like, oh, what have I done? I did go a

Andy:

little better. Yeah.

Steve:

Once she loses the

Steve:

designer, that's. That's going to keep her company

Steve:

afloat, you know? Like.

Andy:

Exactly.

Leif:

Yeah. The only one selling stuff.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Blair once again decides to take Dan's advice

Leif:

as she texts Chuck, implying she will tell him she

Leif:

loves him tonight. yeah, let's say she's

Leif:

gonna take the advice, see what happens.

Andy:

Maybe. We'll see. But Chuck's purple,

Andy:

vast, and pleated pants. Great outfit.

Leif:

Nice.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif:

We move into act three at the gallery,

Leif:

Dan and Rufus are admiring a successful

Leif:

opening. Blair and Serena shows up, and for

Leif:

a second, Rufus thinks there's something going on with

Leif:

Dan.

Steve:

Blair, he refers to her as

Steve:

that girl. That girl has been here twice

Steve:

in one day.

Leif:

Of course. Yeah.

Andy:

That's actually.

Leif:

Of course that means we're having sex.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Way to go, Rufus.

Steve:

Yep.

Andy:

Fair. I think that's a fair assumption, you know, based on the

Andy:

show and these people. But also, I like, that's. It's funny that that's

Andy:

how, like, Blair would talk about Rufus like, that man.

Andy:

We're like, it's the same.

Leif:

Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah. Although she'd

Steve:

do it. She would be more like that washed up

Steve:

80, that washed up rock star from the nineties.

Leif:

Blair and Serena informed Dan that Blair is going

Leif:

to tell Chuck her feelings at the opening tonight. However,

Leif:

she is nervous and in need of a drink.

Leif:

Oh, I'll go get that for you.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

She doesn't really ask, but she's like. She asked

Leif:

without asking.

Steve:

Yeah. She tells him that. Yeah, it was.

Steve:

I loved it.

Leif:

Dan goes to fetch her drink. When he bumps into

Leif:

Vanessa. V. Informs Dan about Chuck and Blair's

Leif:

rule intention scheme from last episode.

Steve:

Yeah. How dare they get mad at me. For

Steve:

blackmail. How dare Blair get bad at

Steve:

back at me for blackmailing her?

Steve:

Like, Vanessa, that whole thing happened

Steve:

because you went to Blair and blackmailed her.

Steve:

If you never did that, they

Steve:

never scheme against you,

Steve:

as Chuck likes to.

Leif:

Say about that I don't think about you.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Aaron asks Serena out. Serena, after a

Leif:

glance towards Dan, tells Aaron she isn't dating

Leif:

right now. He gives her a mysterious riddle and

Leif:

walks away.

Andy:

Cecil the caterpillar.

Steve:

Yeah. Cecil the caterpillar.

Leif:

What is going on here?

Steve:

But this is where when he talks about his dog

Steve:

mookie, and he says, my

Steve:

mookie? My dog mookie. My mom or my

Steve:

grandma named him. He. She's a big Mets fan.

Steve:

My wife trying to flirt with me goes,

Steve:

mookie bets. And I'm like, no, it's like,

Steve:

it's. I appreciate the attempt, but it's

Steve:

actually Mookie Wilson from the Mets. the Mets

Steve:

outfielder from. From the.

Steve:

Throughout the eighties, and then he was a first

Steve:

base coach throughout, like, the. The late

Steve:

nineties, early two thousands.

Steve:

So Mookie Wilson. Not that mo.

Steve:

Or. And it's also not Mookie Blaylock. My wife was like, there's

Steve:

seriously more than one person named Mookie? Like,

Steve:

there's at least three athletes named Mookie.

Leif:

Yeah.

Steve:

and the Pearl Jam's original name

Steve:

was Mookie Blaylock because they are big. Mookie

Steve:

Blaylock fans.

Leif:

Did not know that.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

That's a fun tidbit.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Can we talk a little bit about Aaron Rose's art here?

Leif:

Sure.

Steve:

Oh, go for it.

Andy:

This is a hit show. This is a hit gallery opening. Like, Rufus

Andy:

says. Like, oh, this makes all my other ones look like shit, basically.

Steve:

Like, yeah, I.

Andy:

It's very impressive. Like, this guy's, like, 20, you know,

Andy:

whatever it is. But I'm looking at it, and it's like, from

Andy:

what I could understand, it was a glowing orb in the middle that

Andy:

kind of went blue and red or changed colors, and then

Andy:

there's just a bunch of words on the wall, which

Andy:

they were never clear enough to read or never

Andy:

interesting enough to remember, you know, like.

Andy:

But it was like a text. And as far as I could tell,

Andy:

that was the art exhibit. Like, was

Andy:

it like, what the fuck is

Andy:

this?

Leif:

Well, it's like, whenever you get a glimpse of

Leif:

Dan's writing.

Andy:

Yeah.

Leif:

We just have to accept that it's brilliant.

Steve:

And Jenny's designs.

Andy:

That's true. I mean, you. Yeah. Sorry. I did not

Andy:

like Jenny's designs. But you're all about it. So I'm glad.

Steve:

I mean, this. Ah, not all of her designs.

Steve:

And we've gone back and forth on them, too. Like. Like,

Steve:

the green dress that she still takes at the end.

Steve:

I hate it. But. But I think you really like

Steve:

that one, right?

Leif:

I mean, it's a couture dress, so it's, like,

Leif:

it's not something you actually.

Steve:

Wear, which means custom.

Leif:

That's not something you actually wear.

Andy:

Yeah, but I feel like those are, like,

Andy:

there is utility. There is artistry in the m making of those.

Andy:

This. Yeah. I don't know. There was something with the microphones at the

Andy:

beginning where, like.

Leif:

Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Cause, like, he's. Like, he wants to listen to what everyone's saying about his

Leif:

art.

Steve:

Yeah, but we're never really creepy.

Andy:

Yeah, well, it's creepy, so, like, yeah,

Andy:

potentially could be interesting if, like, the whole thing is just

Andy:

everyone judging his art. Like, that's actually kind of funny

Andy:

and really brave, like, wants

Andy:

that, and it's just this, like, weird

Andy:

bouncing around of people talking, but it's not that at all,

Andy:

so I don't, like, that. Never comes back. So. m but,

Andy:

yeah, I know. It's just sort of, like, ooh, it's abstract, and look at how

Andy:

cool he is.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah, he's got a big ball. Yeah, he's

Steve:

got,

Steve:

you mentioned him being, like, 20 or something, but

Steve:

they. They say that he went. He

Steve:

went to Rhode Island.

Steve:

Rhode island school of design with

Steve:

Max. Right?

Andy:

Yes.

Steve:

So they. They both

Steve:

went to that school, implying that they

Steve:

graduated, which would imply

Steve:

closer to, like,

Steve:

2221-2223

Steve:

a certain thing for them.

Andy:

M. It would be, an artist thing to, like, you know,

Andy:

drop out and start a, you know, like, do his work.

Leif:

Right. It is an art school.

Andy:

Well, but, like, maybe he's just like, oh, I'm better than

Andy:

risti.

Leif:

Well, that's where my big point is.

Steve:

Let's just put a pin on that for the. For the

Steve:

caterpillar thing that we get to later on.

Andy:

Yes. I see what you're dropping.

Steve:

Yes. Yeah.

Leif:

Serena gives Blair some last minute encouragement.

Leif:

However, before Blair can go meet Chuck on the roof, Dan

Leif:

stops her to poison the water, intentionally killing

Leif:

Blair's confidence.

Steve:

You don't want your obituary to say you died in

Steve:

Brooklyn.

Leif:

Serena knows her so well.

Steve:

Yeah, the zingers in this

Steve:

episode were on point. Yeah, I will give it

Steve:

that. There are a lot of great one liners.

Leif:

Jenny shows up at the gallery ready to confess to

Leif:

Rufus about losing her job, but Agnes is there to

Leif:

intercept her. Agnes paints a picture of

Leif:

fame and fortune, luring Jenny back towards

Leif:

the dark side.

Andy:

Yeah. I mean, I'd probably be screwed by Agnes

Andy:

because I'd be like, ooh, nylon wants to run a feature. Like,

Andy:

okay, yeah, but, like, I totally

Andy:

had Jenny's. Like, I'm 15. I don't have a job. Like, what do you. I

Andy:

don't have any money. But, no, Agnes is, She's got

Andy:

something, you know? I believes me. That's what I'm. That's what

Andy:

if I'm Jenny, I'm like, oh, my God, I just want to be believed in.

Steve:

When I was, like, 20, I worked at this

Steve:

restaurant with a. With a cook who was like, oh, yeah. And

Steve:

I also. He heard that I was working on,

Steve:

like, a screenplay or something, for a course in college or

Steve:

something, and he, Or that I was interested in

Steve:

film or whatever, and he's like, oh, I write for

Steve:

this for a magazine. I write for sight

Steve:

and sound, the film magazine. I'll show you some stuff.

Steve:

I'm like, oh, cool. And so, like, we. He

Steve:

told me, like, oh, yes, we're going to go to this party, like, get your

Steve:

stuff. Where, do you mind driving? And I'm like, no, not at all.

Steve:

He takes me to this bar up in North

Steve:

Jersey, and he introduces me to someone

Steve:

that he calls will Eisner, saying that he's introducing

Steve:

me to will Eisner of Disney fame.

Steve:

And this dude that he introduces me to

Steve:

is, like, in his, like,

Steve:

fifties, long, gray,

Steve:

like, rocker hair. This

Steve:

dude, like, was by no means

Steve:

will Eisner or any kind of. I

Steve:

mean, it turns out that I was there to drive this guy so he

Steve:

could buy his coke.

Steve:

So when I see Agnes, I

Steve:

just keep thinking, like, where's

Steve:

the coke?

Andy:

100%. Agnes. That is like, you

Andy:

had an agnes in your life. I'm sorry.

Steve:

I really did.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

And that was, like, Max that he.

Steve:

She.

Andy:

The guy introduced you to.

Steve:

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Steve:

Unreal. Yeah, exactly.

Leif:

Nate is.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Nate is talking to Jenny as she is getting ready to

Leif:

leave with Max and Agnese. Nate is rightfully

Leif:

concerned about a much older max, the good guy.

Leif:

Nate, looking out.

Steve:

Yeah, Nate is doing a lot of. Oh,

Steve:

go ahead, please.

Andy:

No, no, you go for it. I interrupted.

Steve:

Go. No, I was just going to say he does a lot of big

Steve:

brother stuff in this. Yeah, like. Like, he's

Steve:

very big brotherly. And we know that,

Steve:

you know, we know how it turns out, and we know how it

Steve:

started, like, coming out of the bathroom and just their

Steve:

history together. But there is a lot of, like, big

Steve:

bro stuff. I feel.

Leif:

Yeah. I think that the bad. The coming out of the bats is kind

Leif:

of supposed to imply that they've been in close

Leif:

quarters for, like, a week or so now.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Like, things have been building up.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, I got that.

Andy:

Well, and. Yeah. But it all clearly was like, ooh, we're

Andy:

awkward. And there's some. You know, I like this

Andy:

moment they both had.

Leif:

we are not related, but we are in a situation

Leif:

where related people are normally.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Much better. Yeah.

Steve:

And we're. And we're both very beautiful.

Steve:

Yes.

Andy:

Yeah. I would say that, like, yeah, he's being very big brothery. But I

Andy:

also know why that comes off as annoying and why it does

Andy:

not work, you know, because he is like. And

Andy:

again, we also know his intentions kind of too. So,

Andy:

like, I mean, sort of like, we find.

Leif:

I don't think. I don't think they really even

Leif:

realizes that he has feelings yet. he has them, but I don't think

Leif:

he realizes.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

Until she kisses them. I don't.

Andy:

Nice, farah.

Leif:

Yeah, they should. Not very. He can't pick up his own

Leif:

feelings, let alone other people.

Steve:

Yeah. I guess when he says to her, when she

Steve:

asks. Well, we'll get to that.

Andy:

Yeah, I think you're right. Nate can only do one thing at

Andy:

once. Or, like, can carry one, like, idea, one

Andy:

training thought.

Steve:

Yeah, he's

Steve:

not.

Andy:

That's what's happening. Like, this is bad.

Steve:

He's not that deep.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

No, also, at least this is in the right

Andy:

place. Here,

Leif:

On the roof, we find Dan clearly got into Blair's

Leif:

head, who is now hesitant to confess her feelings to

Leif:

chuck. You can cut the tension with a knife.

Leif:

Still, neither Chuck nor Blair are, ready to be the first

Leif:

one to say those three little words.

Andy:

So frustrating.

Steve:

Yeah. Ed Westwick,

Steve:

keep the Batman voice. Cause you start.

Steve:

Your britain starts showing through when you start

Steve:

losing the bat. When he starts, like, going into

Steve:

regular talking or tries to yell, it just. He

Steve:

starts slipping right back into it. Yeah,

Steve:

you can start hearing those little bits. It

Steve:

is.

Andy:

Yeah. I wish they'd stop playing games, but that's the

Andy:

show.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve:

Sorry. We've got at least three more seasons.

Steve:

Four more. See? Four and a half.

Leif:

Yeah. Nate asks Aaron about Max, who basically

Leif:

confirms he's a scumbag. Also interesting that Aaron doesn't

Leif:

really consider that a big deal. As long as Max isn't hurting someone he

Leif:

cares about. But I doubt the show has the software

Leif:

awareness. Back in 2008.

Steve:

Yes.

Andy:

You could go no for it.

Steve:

No, I just have that if. If he's not a

Steve:

good guy when he's dating your sister, he's not a good guy.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

That was literally my note. I just. Yeah, you

Andy:

just, like, fuck you, Aaron, for whatever that is.

Andy:

Like, that says a lot about this guy, guys.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. And that's totally. I. You know, I've been around those

Andy:

guys. I've been in those groups, too, where it's just like, we have,

Andy:

like, there's this, like, tunnel vision

Andy:

thing, and to be like, oh, right. He's my

Andy:

bro. Like, he's my.

Steve:

He supports looking out for him. Yeah.

Steve:

Ah, yeah. And the bro code and all that

Steve:

and all that shit. And it's like, you know, yeah, sure, he

Steve:

leaves a wake of women with PTSD, but,

Steve:

like, he's. Other than that, he's a good guy.

Leif:

He watched. He picked up the tag last

Leif:

week.

Andy:

Drink with if you're a dude. But everyone else, like,

Andy:

that's it. Yeah, no, it's a. Alarm bells in that

Andy:

scene, especially. Especially as we go. I was like, oh,

Andy:

no.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

yeah.

Leif:

Blair tells Serena that her rendezvous with Chuck was

Leif:

a complete failure and leaves the party.

Leif:

Dan admits to Serena that he had a part in Chuck and Blair's

Leif:

blow up, which infuriates Serena.

Steve:

His attitude.

Steve:

Yeah, his attitude of, like, entitlement, of,

Steve:

like, oh, yeah. I just did this thing to teach them a lesson.

Leif:

I mean, that's something they would do, too, though. So,

Leif:

yeah, I get both sides of this. Like,

Leif:

it's Blair. I mean, Serena, like, completely

Leif:

brushes off the fact that they screw with. With Vanessa.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Right. And she doesn't know, like, what you're saying, the backstory of that,

Andy:

you know, like. Or that maybe Vanessa had some part in it, but,

Andy:

yeah, there is this sort of sense of, like, we can fuck up

Andy:

your shit, but you can't because you're poor.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Like, that, that's kind of what it is. You're Dan. You don't get

Andy:

to do this. And I. But I also. Yeah, like, Dan,

Andy:

of course, has the holier than thou. Like, I got to do it. But I

Andy:

I I also think Serena shouldn't be judgy because, like, why is she

Andy:

involving him in the first place?

Leif:

Like, yeah.

Steve:

Yeah. I think that my issue with Dan was the way

Steve:

he went to Serena with just like, oh, yeah, I did this

Steve:

thing. Like, yeah, obviously that's what I was doing and

Steve:

not. Why would you be. Why would you say anything about it?

Steve:

Like. Like, just this casual, like, well,

Steve:

m. Yeah, of course that I was like, proud of himself.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little proud of himself.

Steve:

Like, you're bragging to the wrong person about this.

Steve:

Like, go tell Vanessa, that you fucked them over,

Steve:

but don't tell Serena.

Andy:

Yep.

Leif:

At Max's, the party appears to be just a

Leif:

trio, and in an episode, an

Leif:

in episode needle drop prompts Agnes to get up and

Leif:

start dancing.

Steve:

Yeah. How soon is now? Yeah.

Leif:

Which, of course, is the charm theme song.

Steve:

Yeah, of course. This is a cover version of it. Yeah. and

Steve:

charmed was. The charmed cover is a cover, too. It's the love

Steve:

spit love cover. Yeah. I did forget who this one was.

Steve:

It was an acronym. I don't remember.

Steve:

I didn't look it up. Yeah, yeah. I only

Steve:

looked it up because I recognized the song

Steve:

and couldn't place it

Steve:

over and over. I think it was used in Buffy at one point,

Steve:

too. I feel like I remember a scene with Warner Brothers.

Leif:

Own the rights.

Steve:

Yeah, it may be. Yeah, that would make sense.

Andy:

That same week, they did it in every show.

Andy:

Is there any significance to that song, then, for the mood of this

Andy:

scene? Because the mood is dire. This

Andy:

is very uncomfortable.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

I mean, it's kind of like a bad girl

Leif:

type song. I think it's also used in the

Leif:

wedding singer for, his girlfriend there,

Leif:

the one who weaves him. And. Yes.

Leif:

Like, I think, in what's the craft? I think it's also in

Leif:

that maybe.

Steve:

Yes.

Leif:

I think that it's kind of like. It has,

Leif:

throughout media, it's kind of taken on, like, a bad girl tone

Leif:

to it.

Steve:

Yeah. And in this scene in

Steve:

particular, first of all, I

Steve:

hate on shows whenever they have the. Oh,

Steve:

I love this song. Let's dance. Because,

Steve:

like, I always would complain about it at the bronze

Steve:

when I was watching Buffy stuff. Cause it's like you don't even know

Steve:

this fucking song. You've never heard this song.

Steve:

You don't even know there's a song playing because you're on a set

Steve:

somewhere. But just really irked me.

Steve:

Like, you don't even know what song this is. But this song, it's

Steve:

like, oh, someone can actually like that one.

Steve:

Someone might actually recognize it. So I had that same,

Steve:

like, oh, I hate that trope. But

Steve:

they might actually like it.

Leif:

Dan chases down a brooding Chuck to

Leif:

attempt to rectify sabotaging Blair

Leif:

earlier. This was on the stairs there.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah. This was nice of Dan to do.

Leif:

I heard you. I chose to ignore you.

Leif:

Good job. My dad realizing he fucked up.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. And gave Chuck the opportunity to fix

Andy:

it.

Steve:

M. Yeah. And what's really funny is that, like,

Steve:

Chuck's role in the whole Vanessa thing, too,

Steve:

Chuck was, like, brought into it, right?

Leif:

Like,

Steve:

This still wasn't right. Yeah.

Andy:

Although why does Dan have so much power over Chuck

Andy:

and Blair's relationship in this episode? Just

Andy:

realizing, like, all he has, like, he says

Andy:

one thing and now, like, blair's hanging on every word.

Steve:

I.

Andy:

And then, like, he's also saying this thing to

Andy:

Chuck, which may or may not change his mind about anything, but it's just

Andy:

like, wow. People just believe everybody in this show, even

Andy:

though we learn over and over. That's a bad idea.

Leif:

Yeah. I mean, why? But I feel like Dan has shown

Leif:

in the past the ability to kind of manipulate people pretty

Leif:

well.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Oh, yeah.

Steve:

I also feel Dan is seen

Steve:

as the honest one. Yeah. and I

Steve:

think that it is the whole, like, oh,

Steve:

no. Scheming is rich people's

Steve:

game. Scheming is a rich person's game. So you

Steve:

can't be scheming. You're just a poor kid who needs to

Steve:

tell the truth or else you'll be poorer.

Andy:

Yes, exactly. Or, like, what can this guy

Andy:

do? I'm safe.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

Back at Max's, Jenny and Agnes are

Leif:

dancing. Agnes uses a little peer pressure to get

Leif:

Jenny to start stripping your clothes. Nate

Leif:

shows up before things can get too out of hand.

Andy:

Thank God.

Steve:

Yeah. What the fuck?

Steve:

And he's taking pictures. You're at least,

Steve:

So if this guy is a graduate of

Steve:

RISD, then if he's a student.

Leif:

He'S at least 1920.

Steve:

Yeah, he's as.

Leif:

She is 1615 or 16.

Steve:

She says 15 earlier in the episode.

Steve:

So. So this guy is, like,

Steve:

I'm assuming, like, 2022 taking pictures

Steve:

of his 15 year old. Like, yeah,

Steve:

that's fucking disgusting. That's like.

Leif:

Yeah, and, yeah, not. Not good that Agnes

Leif:

is, like, pushing her into it as well.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah. Come on. Take off your clothes in front of this

Steve:

dude with me.

Andy:

Yeah, there's definitely, like, sort of Colt Manson. Like,

Andy:

weird. Sort of like, I mean, because she

Andy:

kisses him in front of her and, like, is sort of like.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Like, yeah, she's definitely trying, like,

Leif:

some kind of threesome situation.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy:

And she. And as the woman or as the person that's supposed to

Andy:

be, like, her ally in the situation is totally.

Steve:

Yeah. right.

Leif:

And I think we do find out in the next episode

Leif:

that Agnes is not much older than Jenny. She's

Leif:

only, like, 16 or 17.

Andy:

She might even say that she's 17. In this episode, too. Or,

Andy:

like, maybe that's just in my head. I remembered that. I don't know.

Steve:

I have.

Andy:

Yeah. But, like, yeah, no, she isn't. I mean, you could

Andy:

look. Yeah.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

All bad news. Thank God for Nate's one track mind

Andy:

here. Yes.

Steve:

I'm a college photographer, and I hang out with high school

Steve:

girls. Like, yeah,

Steve:

that.

Leif:

Not.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

And Aaron Rose.

Steve:

And Aaron Rose. But not Aaron Rose's

Steve:

little sister because he kept her away.

Leif:

Although, I mean, Agnes is that high school girl

Leif:

that was always dating a

Leif:

college guy. There. There were.

Steve:

There were. I know.

Leif:

The most popular girl, you know? Like, the really popular, hot girl

Leif:

was always at a college boyfriend.

Steve:

I, know this.

Andy:

This show is just all those people, right?

Leif:

Like, that's exactly.

Andy:

Every girl is that.

Leif:

It's the highest 1%.

Steve:

Well, yeah, it's like if they're not fucking each other, they're fucking a

Steve:

30 year old.

Andy:

And most of them are 30, you know?

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Steve:

yeah.

Leif:

What have we here? Jenny Humphrey, caught in

Leif:

her knickers by Nate, her knight in shining

Leif:

Armani.

Steve:

I love that line. That was so good line.

Leif:

Yeah. We move into the epilogue.

Leif:

Good guy Nate isn't going to force Jenny to leave, but

Leif:

he isn't going to leave without her either. That, was a very

Leif:

good move. He's not. Yeah, he's not gonna be. The guy just, like, picks her up and,

Leif:

like, drags her out of there. Cause that's just not a good look either.

Steve:

I'll wait.

Leif:

Yeah, I'll just sit down and wait.

Steve:

Yep.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

That was his best tactic, like, when he was trying too hard to be, like, hey,

Andy:

warning him, like. Like, kind of like a wet blanket that she would

Andy:

ignore. Cause.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah, classic. Like, yeah, if you're the older brother, and even if

Andy:

you're right, I can't admit that you're right. You know? Like, yeah,

Andy:

so.

Steve:

And this is where I. And, this is one of those places

Steve:

where Nate shines, you know, where Nate is going to be the

Steve:

good guy and make the decision, the good decision

Steve:

to help the person that needs help. Like,

Steve:

I really. Yeah, I think he really did a good

Steve:

job.

Leif:

Dan chases down Serena to apologize for

Leif:

sabotaging Blair. They begin to talk about

Leif:

Aaron. Dan gives his blessing. Mid

Leif:

conversation, Serena figures out the riddle

Leif:

and that she went to summer camp with Aaron and

Leif:

Europe because, of course, they went to the

Leif:

summer camp in Switzerland.

Andy:

Yeah.

Steve:

Right. And I'm going to go back to how old

Steve:

is this guy? And why are they in summer camp

Steve:

together getting

Steve:

married? If they're four

Steve:

years apart.

Leif:

That's just how they do it in Europe.

Andy:

I mean, it's like pulling, like, making it

Andy:

work. But I mean, I think summer camps can have, like, wide ranges, but it's

Andy:

still weird.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

He's like. I mean, I hope he wasn't, like, a counselor or, you know,

Andy:

but, like, it could have been.

Leif:

Serena. She probably was.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. But it might have been like a, you know, a

Andy:

ten and six or something. I don't know. Like, is she 17

Andy:

here? Is that how old Serena is?

Leif:

She's here? Or. Actually, I think she. I think she might

Leif:

be, She might actually be 18 because she has a early

Leif:

birthday.

Steve:

Gotcha.

Leif:

they are. Yeah, they are seniors this year.

Andy:

But, I mean, Serena. Yeah. Probably was

Andy:

also. I mean, she is the classic girl again,

Andy:

that is talking to the oldest people.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

For. And that's not. There's something scary about that

Andy:

for sure. But that's.

Steve:

Yeah. This.

Andy:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy:

But, hey, fake married.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Serena sees what I think is supposed to be Aaron

Leif:

riding off with another woman. I say supposed to because

Leif:

it's clearly a stunt actor driving off on the

Leif:

moped. Why did they show his face?

Leif:

Why did they do a back shot?

Andy:

Yeah, that was hilarious. I.

Andy:

Yeah.

Steve:

That'S whole scene.

Andy:

Because it was just. It shows who Aaron really is. I

Andy:

think, too. Like, he's sent this, but he's just this asshole on

Andy:

a motorcycle with a babe, which.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah, the suggested people that are.

Andy:

On motorcycles are assholes. But just, like, I think that's the teeth.

Andy:

That's the trope. Kind of more like there's

Andy:

just. Yeah, he just has all these bad bugs.

Steve:

now I'm going to ask what I always ask when

Steve:

someone like Aaron comes in is. Are we seeing

Steve:

more of Aaron?

Leif:

Yes.

Steve:

Okay. I was. I figured.

Steve:

Unfortunately, that's not

Steve:

that. Yeah. I mean, I.

Steve:

Yeah. and I feel like every time they bring someone in

Steve:

for a romantic plot line, it's just

Steve:

so bad.

Leif:

Unfortunately, I think this is kind of Aaron's high point.

Steve:

Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

Andy:

No, I think you're right.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Actually, I was gonna say, like, his stock is up. He will get there. But.

Steve:

Yeah, he's

Steve:

one of my only ones, actually.

Andy:

But I think Aaron, like, he does because

Andy:

of him. In a weird way, something good comes to the

Andy:

show. I believe, that's my tease. So

Andy:

Aaron. There is a. There is a. There is, like, a nice thing

Andy:

about. Okay, but it's not Aaron.

Leif:

I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Andy:

Ah.

Leif:

Chuck, slinks into Blair's room to explain how they

Leif:

can't work as a couple. They decide to wait

Leif:

before. Before sharing a chaste

Leif:

kiss.

Steve:

Yeah. The whole thing was just a tease. Like, this whole

Steve:

back and forth for nothing.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

And I don't buy it. Like, I mean, I guess

Andy:

I buy it. Right? Like, they can't say the words because if they

Andy:

do, he thinks it's the end. Right? Like that. That means they

Andy:

become a normal couple. Yeah, but it's really like

Andy:

they're afraid of being real. They're afraid of, But, like,

Andy:

that's the thing. Blair says it. We can do the things

Andy:

that we like together. That is real. So I like it. Just

Andy:

this make believe problem that they have.

Andy:

But I also understand because they're, you know, 17,

Andy:

and, like, fully erect and, you know, all sorts, like,

Andy:

we don't know what's going on.

Steve:

Yeah, exactly.

Leif:

So, yeah, the writers have admitted that

Leif:

Chuck was not initially meant to

Leif:

be a main character.

Andy:

Right.

Leif:

He was going to be just like, a side antagonist, and after

Leif:

episode 13, he was going to just kind of fade into the background.

Leif:

But that. That was when the writers strike hit in 2008,

Leif:

and Josh Schwartz was reading the message boards,

Leif:

and Chuck was by far the most popular

Leif:

character. And so they. But they

Leif:

didn't really know what to do with them other than just keep

Leif:

bouncing all flare.

Andy:

But, like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're gonna get into the fandom, but,

Andy:

like, that worked for most people.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

yeah, most of my.

Andy:

Yeah, yeah, it gets tiresome and. But you

Andy:

also. Yeah, it's the tv. It's. When you can see that it's a tv show,

Andy:

when it's like, well, of course they can't actually try because

Andy:

it.

Leif:

Yeah, it did work for most people, but the

Leif:

most people that stayed on because the audience

Leif:

really started dropping after season two. Two

Leif:

episode. Episode three of season two, the Dark Knight was the

Leif:

highest rated episode, and then it just steadily dropped from

Leif:

there.

Andy:

Steve, like, I would be interested if there's

Andy:

ever at a point where, like, if you were watching this live

Andy:

or, like, without the podcast, if you'd ever be like, all right,

Andy:

I think I'm unplugging. You know, like, I,

Steve:

Honestly,

Steve:

I may have at the end of

Steve:

season one, if I

Steve:

didn't have the information about the writers strike,

Steve:

that when they came back from the writers strike, I, And

Steve:

then when they introduced Georgina Sparks, I thought

Steve:

the show tanked for the end of

Steve:

that. Those last couple episodes, I

Steve:

hated them. Except for woman on the verge

Steve:

or, there were. There were moments I liked and finally was okay. Yeah, the

Steve:

finale was okay. The one. The one where

Steve:

Eric's outed is okay, but, like, none of them

Steve:

were, like, good anymore. Like, those

Steve:

episodes didn't have that charm that I

Steve:

felt the first 13 episodes had.

Leif:

Jenny is freaking out on Nate and then finally asks

Leif:

him why he cares so much. Nate can't

Leif:

answer, so Jenny gives him a quick kiss.

Leif:

Nate is dumbfounded for a moment before going

Leif:

Jenny in for the real thing.

Steve:

And I think that's the moment. I think

Steve:

Jenny's saying to him, why

Steve:

did you do this? Is the moment

Steve:

Nate realizes he likes her. I think it

Steve:

was just before the kiss that he

Steve:

didn't. That he just thought he was doing the right thing.

Steve:

And then when she asked why and he didn't have an

Steve:

answer, I think that's when he was like, oh, shit,

Steve:

I like her. And then she kissed him.

Steve:

And then they full on make out.

Leif:

Yeah. Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Steve:

Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Andy:

I feel like there was some butt grab happening.

Steve:

There was some butt grab happening. She is

Steve:

15 years old, Chase.

Steve:

Well, I mean, I know.

Andy:

Yeah, they're both in high school. I. Yeah, but I

Andy:

would. I think I. You're right. I don't know if I had that

Andy:

reading this time or even the last time that, like, he wasn't

Andy:

aware of it until that moment. I think Nate.

Leif:

I think they were there, but he just wasn't aware of it.

Andy:

Yeah, exactly. he's also the kind of guy who's just,

Andy:

like, always so naturally charming and flirty and, like,

Andy:

always liked that. Like, he doesn't, I don't think, know what

Andy:

he's doing. So, like, yeah, I'm watching him

Andy:

in the towel in that first scene. To me, I

Andy:

know he likes the attention, likes the

Andy:

look, and likes what is happening, but.

Andy:

Yes. And I think it's that normal thing. It's just like, ooh, this is kind

Andy:

of fun and giggly, but it's. Yeah. And then.

Andy:

And I like that for. For Nate, I guess. I mean, I

Andy:

like it. It's so much better than the alternative. Of what? You

Andy:

know, dark. Jenny's other, you

Andy:

know.

Steve:

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

The problem with fairy tales is they set up for a

Leif:

disappointment. In real life, the prince goes off with

Leif:

the wrong princess, where the spell wears off, and

Leif:

two lovers realize they are better off as well,

Leif:

whatever they are. But I'll confess to

Leif:

every once in a while, a girl craves her fairy tale

Leif:

ending. So sleep tight, kitties. It

Leif:

seems like little J. Got her happily ever after.

Leif:

Xoxo, gossip girl.

Leif:

And that is the episode. So, obviously,

Leif:

Andy, you know what's coming, but, Steve, what are your

Leif:

predictions?

Steve:

Well, I I predict that

Steve:

Agnes is going to continue to be trouble for

Steve:

Jenny. I have a prediction that

Steve:

Nate or that Dan is not going

Steve:

to take it too well. If

Steve:

he finds out about Nate and Jenny, I think he might

Steve:

come around because he's. Because he knows that Nate's a

Steve:

good guy. But I also know that he's very protective of

Steve:

his little sister. But all, But, like, dan, just keep in

Steve:

mind, she could do a lot worse than Nate Archibald

Steve:

and this chuck and Blair thing. I know

Steve:

that this is what the show is now, but, like,

Steve:

shoulder, get off the pot.

Leif:

So do you think, are they going to get right back into it next week or

Leif:

they got to take a break?

Steve:

It might cool off a little bit, but I don't know what

Steve:

else they, they have going on at this point. You

Steve:

know, like, unless we're maybe like Nate and

Steve:

Chuck. Reconciliation coming

Steve:

up. Yeah.

Leif:

This week in fandom, we

Leif:

jumped into the wayback machine to look at the television without

Leif:

pity forums from back in 2008.

Steve:

Hello there, Peabody here.

Andy:

And this is the wayback machine for traveling through time.

Steve:

And this is my boy Sherman.

Andy:

Speak.

Steve:

Sherman. Hello. Good boy.

Leif:

First, though, everyone. People are getting. Yeah, people

Leif:

are getting bored of Chuck and Blair. Not saying I love you.

Steve:

It's already. Yeah, it's. It's three

Steve:

episodes of it now. Yeah.

Leif:

Which we've always said people watch, in network

Leif:

tv era, one in three episodes. So hopefully

Leif:

they move on now.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

Dan should die a fiery death for messing with

Leif:

chair.

Andy:

Like, that's really. I mean, I find that funny because it's

Andy:

also, like, it kind of those two things are different. Right? Like,

Andy:

we're tired of them going back and forth, but then we're

Andy:

so pissed when Dan just gets

Andy:

involved a little bit.

Leif:

I mean, Dan stopped them from getting together like they

Leif:

would. They would. Yeah.

Steve:

I mean, yeah, maybe.

Andy:

I don't buy that. Yeah, I think that's. That's using Dan as a

Andy:

scapegoat, which is about to do for

Andy:

sure, you know, Dan's greatest scapegoat.

Leif:

But I think much, much like, Dawson and Joey,

Leif:

the writers were showing us that Chuck and Blair don't work without actually

Leif:

intending to.

Andy:

Yeah. Ah, I think that's. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I also

Andy:

just think there's, like, this idea that Dan can't get involved because

Andy:

we're putting chair on the pedestal, it's kind of like how the characters

Andy:

treat them, too, but the fans themselves. Oh, Dan can't get involved in

Andy:

chair, but chair can do whatever they want to.

Andy:

Yeah.

Leif:

Oh, yeah.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Serena certainly has a type, as we

Leif:

said. So the audience picked up on

Leif:

that as well. Dan and Vanessa belong

Leif:

together because they're both morally or superior

Leif:

hypocrites.

Steve:

Yep. Yep. Yeah. That. Yeah.

Andy:

Track.

Steve:

And I know that. That, like, it's,

Steve:

funny. When they first said, like, oh, dan's in the other

Steve:

room with Vanessa. When Serena showed up in the beginning of the episode, I was

Steve:

like, oh, fuck. Gross. Are they doing? I'm just. Because

Steve:

that's the one I know has to happen, and I'm just

Steve:

so annoyed by it, and it hasn't even happened

Steve:

yet.

Andy:

Yeah. That's also fair, I think.

Leif:

So the fans, felt that Nate and Jenny were a

Leif:

bit sudden, especially from Nate's side, but

Leif:

really? Yeah. But I think that's because

Leif:

I feel like most of them were girls or women

Leif:

speaking. And as a former 15 year old boy, I

Leif:

know, like, if I spend more than, you know,

Leif:

20 minutes with an attractive girl that is being nice to me,

Leif:

I'm probably gonna fall in love with her.

Steve:

Yeah. Yep. Especially

Steve:

for me back then. Yeah.

Leif:

yeah. 1516.

Steve:

Yeah. There's also probably a lot of

Steve:

people that watched that were watching season

Steve:

two that came on late and hadn't

Steve:

watched season one to see the

Steve:

season one backup, background for

Steve:

Jenny.

Andy:

Right. And that's what I was going to say. I feel like that stuff was

Andy:

laid in there in season one or, like, they had. They have

Andy:

had a sort of a nice relationship, whether

Andy:

they hadn't defined it until this moment, but, like, they had

Andy:

done enough work where it did not feel rushed yet.

Steve:

Yeah. they had maybe three. Two or

Steve:

three scenes, I think three scenes together.

Steve:

That really established

Steve:

this episode. All in season

Steve:

one, though, positive reactions.

Leif:

To the mixing of pairings up, whether

Leif:

they be friendly or antagonistic or romantic

Leif:

or platonic, they're kind of talking about how the OC

Leif:

in season two, to mix it up, they brought in new characters,

Leif:

but on Gossip Girl, they. They're kind of just mixing up

Leif:

the main characters with different pairings, which they liked.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

And, I mean, Dan and, Blair is, like, the best example, I think, in this

Andy:

episode, I really like them.

Steve:

I think that's kind of a funny note, though, on an episode where they bring

Steve:

in two new characters,

Steve:

three if you count Max, but I'm hoping he's at least

Steve:

gone.

Leif:

Positive reactions to, yeah,

Leif:

there was a lot of excitement for Willow Hollande because she was obviously Caitlin

Leif:

Cooper on the OC.

Andy:

She's, yeah, going up in the world. This is a big move for her.

Leif:

So that is it for this week in fandom. Let's

Leif:

move into some episode grades.

Leif:

Steve went first last time, so it's my turn to go

Leif:

first. I think I like this episode a little

Leif:

better than you guys. I thought the directing was good. There was good

Leif:

music. there's a lot of interesting shots, especially, like, the shot on

Leif:

the roof. I like the end with Chuck and Blaire, even

Leif:

though the outcome was kind of boring and, like, even

Leif:

though the scenes, nothing really happened, I

Leif:

think were good setups for stuff that happened

Leif:

later. So I'm actually going to give this episode an a minus.

Leif:

Woo. How about you, Andy?

Andy:

I think I'll go with a B minus. You

Andy:

know, like, I think I, Like, I. It's still.

Andy:

I think it's still entertaining. We talked about all the quips and the

Andy:

zingers, and there's enough fashion to hate

Andy:

on or love, you know, like, I think it has a lot of different things

Andy:

and we getting. I do like seeing more of Jenny and

Andy:

more of Dan and Blair, so. But, yeah, I

Andy:

have, you know, the same sort of notes about, like, it definitely is kind of

Andy:

a filler transition episode. And I know when I watched, was watching it,

Andy:

I did have the thought of why did I choose this one? You know, like,

Andy:

I did have that thought. so, like. But I think it's

Andy:

because dark Jenny, to me, is such a

Andy:

fascinating.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah.

Andy:

Part of the show and just the lore and

Andy:

Taylor Momsen, all of that stuff opens

Andy:

up. And I think this is, like, where we're really going there. And it's kind

Andy:

of. It's kind of hard to watch, too. It's not always.

Leif:

It's tough, but yeah.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Jenny's character really drives the plot more than anyone else in

Leif:

the show.

Steve:

I think she, and she has such

Steve:

a professional wrestler arc

Steve:

of, like, the good kid and then the heel

Steve:

turn and, like, then, you know,

Steve:

has, like, a good heel run and

Steve:

then gets shown up and then turns around and

Steve:

is the good kid. And now I feel like another heel turn coming

Steve:

and, like, you know, that's.

Andy:

That's a really good way of putting it.

Steve:

I love that.

Andy:

And leaf, I like, I really appreciate that you,

Andy:

like, jenny is your favorite character because I always got

Andy:

the sense that she was sort of the most, like, not, I mean, after

Andy:

Vanessa, like, people like to hate on,

Andy:

Jenny or.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Like, which is. I've always found that weird.

Andy:

I think it's on.

Steve:

I also love Jenny. Yeah.

Leif:

I think people hate her because she

Leif:

does act like an actual teenager.

Andy:

A, hundred percent she. Like, she. To me,

Andy:

she's the most accurate depiction of what

Andy:

if you put a 15 year old in this world? What would

Andy:

happen?

Steve:

m. Yeah, I have a. I have a 17

Steve:

year old daughter, and there are so many

Steve:

times on this podcast that I've said that

Steve:

I've seen Jenny,

Steve:

make a look or react to a situation, and it

Steve:

just instantly reminded me of Emily. Like,

Steve:

you just one of the ones that really

Steve:

stands out the most is showing up to Blair's

Steve:

birthday party already with, like, her

Steve:

stuffy and her blanket and all these girls are in night

Steve:

gowns and sipping martinis, and

Steve:

that look of I'm out of my league. Like, it

Steve:

just felt so natural. And

Steve:

she does that all the time in this show. Like, she just really

Steve:

sells the teenager.

Leif:

What, are you giving the grade?

Steve:

my grade for this is also a b minus. I

Steve:

gave it the same thing, mostly because I felt like it

Steve:

didn't go anywhere. I did like the

Steve:

quips. I did like some of the dialogue. I did like a lot of

Steve:

the direction. Direction and acting, but I felt

Steve:

that the story just took me

Steve:

almost nowhere except for the jenny stuff,

Steve:

and. And I don't feel like

Steve:

Gossip girl does that a lot. I don't feel like

Steve:

even when they have bad episodes, I feel like they

Steve:

move the plot forward, and I felt this one was

Steve:

just a. Just a.

Steve:

Just stuck.

Leif:

Yeah. It's setting up the next big arcs.

Leif:

Which one is Jenny? That's obviously the biggest one. And then

Leif:

also you get the aaron and Serena set up.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

So moving on to stock watch,

Leif:

I had going up Jenny because

Leif:

she, you know, she lost her job. It

Leif:

looked. She's got ton of buzz. Plus she got. She hooked up

Leif:

with Nate, so good for her. I had Dan going

Leif:

up because he was manipulating everyone and

Leif:

he was scheming with the best of them.

Leif:

He got exactly what he wanted in this episode, so I gave

Leif:

him stock up then also, I had

Leif:

Serena going up because she seems to have a new

Leif:

relationship, even though it was a little weird at the end,

Leif:

but she's definitely interested in him, so.

Leif:

And, of course, Nate because he was the king of the

Leif:

episode. Andy, what do you. Who do you have going up?

Andy:

I do have Nate going up as well, and I.

Andy:

I had Dan going up with Blair for most of

Andy:

it, but then I don't. I actually disagree with you. I think, like, he

Andy:

didn't actually get what he wanted because, like, Serena's going off

Andy:

with Aaron and he.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

I don't know. Like, I. He sort of ended

Andy:

in a down, but I, think he maybe ends in, like, the

Andy:

exact same fair.

Leif:

That's fair.

Andy:

And then for Jenni, to me, is a TBD.

Andy:

You know, I'm like, I love up. Like,

Andy:

she's in a great. This is a very crucial position for

Andy:

Jenny to be in. Right? Like, she is, like, getting buzz.

Andy:

She has. She's a talk of the town fashion. Like,

Andy:

she could be the next big thing. but

Andy:

be careful, Jenny. Be careful. But also

Andy:

very nice to get a nice smooch from Nate. Like, I know she's wanted

Andy:

that, and that's really cool for Jenny. And then I

Andy:

have to admit that Aaron Rose, I know he's not a main character, but he

Andy:

is the one who's looking up. You know, anyone who's, like,

Andy:

has the eye of Serena, who has a hit gallery

Andy:

opening. Like, yeah, I hate him.

Andy:

Fuck, I guess Aaron Rose.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

It doesn't have to be a main character. They just have to be at least mentioned in the episode.

Steve:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy:

And then Serena too, because, yeah, she gets a new,

Andy:

new passion.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Steve.

Steve:

So going up, I only had. I had

Steve:

Nate. We all, you know, good guy Nate. We all had

Steve:

Nate. Aaron also, you know,

Steve:

Aaron. Aaron, his stock literally goes

Steve:

up. Like, he's got this big buzz on his

Steve:

art gallery display. He's got

Steve:

two women interested in him, it

Steve:

seems, unless the other ones, like his sister or

Steve:

assistant or some shit like that, which is exactly what this show would

Steve:

do.

Andy:

Right?

Steve:

And I had Rupas going up because his gallery put

Steve:

on a really good event, and I think that

Steve:

he really deserves props for that. But that is all I have

Steve:

going up. I had a lot of no stock

Steve:

on this episode.

Leif:

So moving on to going down, I had

Leif:

Chuck and Blair because they had. Still can't pull the

Leif:

trigger, and Max because he's just a

Leif:

fucking creep.

Andy:

Deserve any? Yeah, I'm not trading. I'm not publicly

Andy:

trading.

Steve:

Publicly trading in Max.

Leif:

Well, I like to. I like to drive people down as low.

Leif:

I like to short stock.

Steve:

Yeah. Which that's

Steve:

where Chuck has been for most of our, most

Steve:

of the run of this show.

Leif:

What about you, Eddie? Who do you got going down?

Andy:

I have. Yeah. Chuck and Blair. And then I also have

Andy:

Eleanor going down because, I mean, she does

Andy:

not look good in this episode in any way, shape or form, like,

Andy:

as a mentor figure as a boss, as a

Andy:

artist, as a fashion designer. Like, no one is interested in her

Andy:

stuff anymore, and just a 15 year old who,

Andy:

like, has made three dresses is more exciting. So,

Andy:

like, yeah, that, to me, is, like, a really dark

Andy:

place to be.

Leif:

I'm actually going to add Eleanor to mine as well.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah. And I think that's all I had.

Leif:

Steve.

Andy:

Yeah. Dan is, like, kind of.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah.

Leif:

yeah. So just leave him as neutral, I guess, unless. Unless you want him to be

Leif:

down.

Andy:

No, we can give him neutral.

Steve:

Yeah, neutral, too, because I.

Steve:

And, in fact, I went neutral for Chuck and Blair, too, because

Steve:

they didn't go anywhere. Like, that was my whole thing with

Steve:

this episode is that it didn't do any. And I felt that way with

Steve:

Dan, too. and I felt that way with Serena.

Steve:

However, going down I had, I did have Jenny

Steve:

going down because as of

Steve:

right now, and, of course, this is also, like,

Steve:

first watch with it. As of

Steve:

right now, she has no job, and she

Steve:

is taking advice from people that may

Steve:

not be able to back up what they are

Steve:

selling. So I feel like Jenny

Steve:

took a huge risk. She took a hit in her stock because

Steve:

of it. I also have Eleanor going down.

Steve:

I was right on with both of you. With. With

Steve:

Eleanor going down, I had Vanessa going down

Steve:

because Vanessa sucks.

Steve:

I typically take a shot at Vanessa when I can,

Steve:

but also because I was really annoyed with Vanessa because,

Steve:

like, being so offended that

Steve:

the people that she tried to fuck over fucked her over

Steve:

just really irked me with her.

Steve:

And finally, I'm Max. I didn't have Max, but I

Steve:

want to add Max to mine because let's.

Leif:

Try some down into the negatives.

Steve:

Yeah, yeah,

Steve:

yeah. At one point, I said that this episode needed to

Steve:

come with a seizure warning with the way that the

Steve:

flash was just would not stop

Steve:

in those scenes.

Leif:

Okay. I think that is it for stock watch in

Leif:

best outfit.

Steve:

But here's the best outfits from the last

Steve:

episode we see.

Leif:

For me, it was Jetty's dress,

Leif:

even with, like, the fringe. I love the punk rock look.

Leif:

I just. I think it worked.

Andy:

I mean, I I think it's funny that. I love that we had a

Andy:

completely different thing because.

Steve:

Yeah.

Andy:

I was just like, oh, no, thank you. Like,

Andy:

no, sorry. You can go forward. I feel like I'm sort of giving

Andy:

my outfit.

Leif:

Yeah, it's your turn. It's your turn to go ahead.

Andy:

I would say. I, would say there was more bad than good in this

Andy:

episode, and. But, like, I think, honestly, it was

Andy:

Blair was the one who was giving the most looks that I was like, okay,

Andy:

yes. And it was probably. I mean, it's an easy one, but, like, the

Andy:

lingerie seduction scene, that outfit

Andy:

wins.

Leif:

Yeah. Can't go go with a Philip

Leif:

herless.

Andy:

But my real answer is Nate.

Andy:

Bathroom towel.

Steve:

Okay, that's it. That

Steve:

is. Yeah. I,

Leif:

There.

Steve:

Yeah, I agree that this was not the best

Steve:

fashion episode. There were a few outfits that I. Blair,

Steve:

Blair had a lot of great outfits throughout the

Steve:

episode. I agree with that. But I also

Steve:

have Jenny's dress as

Steve:

written down. Ah. It was. When

Steve:

that first came on, Robin and I were both like,

Steve:

oh, that dress, like, immediately.

Steve:

and so. But that is also. That is also

Steve:

so much more of a style that I would

Steve:

be interested in seeing, though, like, that. That

Steve:

fringy punk. Kind of, like I said, that

Steve:

punkification of Jenny Humphrey.

Andy:

What's funny? Because, yeah, like, I was like, oh, I hate this dress.

Andy:

And then it was like, immediately after, I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot what the plot of this

Andy:

episode. I was like, oh, shit. But then, like, my partner, Lily, like, she

Andy:

came in, and I was like, come on, you have to see this. And she was

Andy:

on my side, too.

Andy:

Oh, we are. We like punk, too. So we're like,

Andy:

yeah, just funny that, you know, that's fashion,

Andy:

though.

Steve:

It's gender, right? Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

Leif:

So, that is it for segments. All we have left

Leif:

are some plugs. But first, I want to thank you, Andy, for

Leif:

joining us today.

Steve:

Yeah, thank you so much. do you have anything you'd like to

Steve:

plug on the show and anything you'd like to share

Steve:

with anyone watching?

Andy:

well, thank you for having me. This was fun. And, yeah, I

Andy:

feel like, apparently, I still have stuff to say.

Andy:

It's like. It's like, I need to shut up more.

Leif:

you're free to come back next season.

Andy:

Oh, let's. Yeah, I'll pick another

Andy:

douche.

Steve:

Please do.

Andy:

Maybe a movie that I've seen the title based on.

Steve:

There we go.

Andy:

Yeah. In terms of plugs, like, I. Right now, I'm on

Andy:

hiatus on it, but the naked man pod is sort of

Andy:

the podcast I solo podcast I did after

Andy:

gossip guys, and it's, to me, probably the best, like,

Andy:

work I've ever done in terms of, I mean,

Andy:

podcasting, but also just work in general. Like, it's a, it's a mental health

Andy:

show. Like, it's called Naked man because it's about being

Andy:

naked emotionally and being vulnerable and having

Andy:

difficult conversations and, like, going into. It's an

Andy:

interview show, but I also do monologues and I didn't

Andy:

necessarily know it was going to be a mental health show

Andy:

or be about my own mental health. And it sort

Andy:

of started during COVID too. So like

Andy:

was a lot of. And the world has just continued to get

Andy:

scary. So I think it has a lot of that in there and just

Andy:

me growing and learning about myself and being more open about

Andy:

what it even means to be a man. so in a way

Andy:

that is sort of a through line from gossip guys to this

Andy:

because we were playing with the idea of like, oh, men liking. And so are

Andy:

you men liking dramas. Hahaha.

Andy:

and that. There's, there's nothing wrong with that or there shouldn't be.

Leif:

Yeah.

Andy:

but yeah, so I think that's what that show is. And then, you

Andy:

know, hopefully, depending on when you listen to this, maybe

Andy:

my first film will be out and ready to

Andy:

be seen. It's a short film called

Andy:

Contraction. it's a psychological horror film

Andy:

that I shot and I was like, yeah, my directorial

Andy:

debut. I'm submitting it to festivals now, but

Andy:

maybe depending on when you listen to it, might have a Vimeo link or on

Andy:

YouTube or something.

Leif:

Definitely share it with us and I will put it in the show notes.

Steve:

So. Yeah, and we'll blast it as much as

Steve:

we can too.

Leif:

Yeah, not much. This week I

Leif:

did watch the new season of Cobra Kai. Pretty. Or like the first

Leif:

half, I guess because the second half doesn't come out in first.

Steve:

Is it any good?

Leif:

it's got, it's got some funny parts, but yeah, the show's definitely gone on a

Leif:

little too long.

Steve:

Yeah, the first season was so fun and then I just

Steve:

felt like it just.

Leif:

Yeah. well, they're. They couldn't really keep going, with

Leif:

the Daniel and Johnny as the main plot. They had. They

Leif:

had to shift to the teenagers.

Steve:

Yeah, it was. I felt like once they broke that

Steve:

kid's neck, the levity just.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, it went over the top with that, that. The

Leif:

big fight in school though.

Steve:

Yeah.

Leif:

Are you daddy, you watch the show at all?

Andy:

I have not. It's been on the list, you know, but

Andy:

no. And no worries about spoilers or anything like that. I've wanted

Andy:

to watch it, but now I probably won't, to be

Andy:

honest. I watch more

Andy:

movies than tv, weirdly. I'm like, I go, I'm zigging

Andy:

while other people are zagging.

Steve:

I don't know.

Leif:

so you can follow me on Instagram,

Leif:

hotcapicola and you can follow the podcast

Leif:

at nonjudging breakfast pod on Instagram,

Leif:

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Leif:

Twitter, which we're not really that active anymore.

Leif:

It's at NJP podest. And then you can

Leif:

also find us on Facebook by searching for non

Leif:

judging preface pod. And then you can find links to our

Leif:

discord server on our website,

Leif:

nonjudgingprefacepod.com dot.

Steve:

Yeah, and if you'd like to get in touch with us and send us an

Steve:

email or tell, us what you think of the show, please

Steve:

reach out to nonjudging

Steve:

breakfastpodmail.com.

Steve:

give, us your thoughts. We'd love to read what you have to say here on

Steve:

the podcast. And, while you're at it,

Steve:

also, if you don't mind giving us a, like a, ah, follow

Steve:

a subscription, a comment, and also,

Steve:

we'd really appreciate you telling a friend, let him know what

Steve:

you're listening to and watch the show. I

Steve:

also want to take this opportunity to say that Gossip Girl

Steve:

is now free to watch

Steve:

on Tubi.

Leif:

Yes.

Steve:

And you no longer need a

Steve:

subscription to Max to watch Gossip Girl. You can

Steve:

now download the tubi app. This is not a paid

Steve:

to be sponsorship. I am just, I don't know if.

Leif:

You guys wanted to sponsor us or we're here to be.

Steve:

By all means, we will take money to tell people,

Steve:

because I actually love to be my daughter.

Steve:

Yeah, my daughter and I watch a lot of horror movies,

Steve:

and we love that we can find so many

Steve:

classics or just like out of nowhere

Steve:

horror films. On to be. I

Steve:

absolutely love it. And so, yeah, to be, please give us

Steve:

money. But also, more, more to the point,

Steve:

if you want to watch Gossip Girl and watch our, and listen to our

Steve:

podcast, it's now available to do all of that for

Steve:

free. So check, out gossip Girl on

Steve:

Tubi. Listen to an episode

Steve:

and keep, following along.

Andy:

Yes.

Leif:

We will be back next week for season two,

Leif:

episode nine, there might be

Leif:

blood. The max episode description

Leif:

reads, Aaron has been keeping a secret from

Leif:

Serena already.

Steve:

What.

Leif:

They started dating yet?

Andy:

Not a good foundation of a relationship.

Steve:

Everyone out there.

Leif:

But until next time, you know you love us.

Steve:

Xoxo.

Steve:

Every time you walk away run away you take a

Steve:

piece of m me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of m me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

oh, it seems I'm walking right to

Steve:

your door.

Steve:

My heart's.

Steve:

Still resting looking for something

Steve:

more.

Steve:

Are.

Steve:

You ever gonna see everything you mean to me? I'm

Steve:

trying really hard to believe

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you

Steve:

never feels right when I'm out here.

Steve:

On my own.

Steve:

I left last night and it feels like

Steve:

way too long

Steve:

are you ever gonna see everything you mean

Steve:

to me? I'm trying really hard to believe

Steve:

every time you walk away, run away you take a piece

Steve:

of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there.

Steve:

Come back to me

Steve:

smile and you'll make my life

Steve:

complete

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve:

of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away, run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away and run away you take a

Steve:

piece of meat with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there.

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