In this episode, Joel and Andy welcome their new producer, Mark Graff, to the booth. They sit down with community leader Vince Turner before his move to Fairhope, Alabama. Vince reflects on his three distinct careers: sports broadcasting—where he called Notre Dame’s 1988 championship—leading development at Bashor Children’s Home, and working in banking. He shares insights on cultivating curiosity, the life-changing influence of his wife, Pat, and his goal to be a "Barnabas" who cheers on young leaders. Finally, the group debates asparagus during the Pop Quiz.

Joel, Andrew, it's cold out today. Boy, oh boy, isn't it? But you know what is not cold?

Your heart. Thank you. Good job. Well done. Warm hearts for everybody. Open minds, warm

voices, all that. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Dudes and Dads podcast. Glad to have

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A lot of firsts.

A special ride.

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We have a lot of firsts on this show.

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Oh yeah?

Well yeah, okay, so first of all, Andy, you and I have dreamt for a time to have sort

of a third man in the booth, so to speak.

A Jamie, if you will.

A Jamie, if you will, to quote Joe Rogan.

A person who, when we have a random idea and we need someone to fact check us, to look

into if what we're saying is even remotely accurate, like on the fly.

Because we want our audience to have...

A confidence.

Yeah, no confidence that we're saying real things right yeah, so

Mark Graf our new production assistant mark is a previous guest and previous guest

Guest longtime listener first-time guest no one-time guest longtime listener and first-time producer first-time producer

Yeah, yeah, so we're glad to have him along and you'll be hearing more from him

But we just we reached a level Andy where it was like

This this show is nearly off the rails as it is and with a third person we hope to bring a little more

little

Off the rails it's also funny because mark did work for the railroad and that was an interesting. That's true. That was an interesting

Image that I guess that was one of the topics that we talked about while he was here, okay

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Andy I also want to say

We had an experience today. We got to see our daughters in the the church Christmas musical we did yes

And it was dynamite not a dry eye in the in the house

They mostly because I laughed real hard, but

That was a funny thing to like so before you all got in there. Yes, I was doing audio pretty great

The the directors were like okay

There is gonna be some stuff in here that you guys are saying that it's funny to the adults

So you need to wait and let that last.

- Yeah, you can, yeah.

- You need to let them last.

- Give the pause for the punchline.

That was, it was great.

It was really, really good.

- And it turned out good.

- Yeah, big, a big shout out to Pastor Amanda here

at Clinton Frame and all of the team that put that together.

They have been, they've been rehearsing

with these elementary kids for a few months now

and it really showed all the time and attention.

Everyone had a good time, so it was really, really cool.

So Andy, we have a really special guest on this evening.

And I'm really, really grateful to have him on.

I should say, for our local community,

there are few people who do not know who Vince Turner is.

He has operated in many circles.

He is just somebody that I, from a distance,

have really admired the work that he has done.

And it came a point--

Vince is in-- well, there's a new chapter of life

that Vince is entering, which means

Vince is moving out of the area.

And I said, "Doggone it," before he does.

- We need to get you in.

- We need to get him.

- We like our remote guests.

We like in-person guests even better.

- Even better in-person.

- Because they're in-person.

- Yeah, yeah.

So Vince, welcome to the show.

- Well, thank you.

- So glad to have you here.

So Mark, roll credits 'cause the introduction

took so dang long, the show's done now.

(laughing)

Yeah, appreciate that.

Oh, by the way, Mark,

when we first were introduced to each other,

I didn't really think you were that homely.

Yeah, but yeah, to go from being a guest in front of the camera to, okay, now you're in

charge of being way back there, you know, so it's, we are going to eventually give a

microphone and we will put a camera on, we promise we'll put a camera on them, but we

love you anyway, we do.

We're grateful, grateful for the support.

Yeah.

Um, so Vince, the one, I think the thing for me is, uh, when I think about, uh, your career,

uh, something that no matter what, that you were doing, and this is kind of part we want

to talk about just the way that you have you and as we'll talk about your lovely bride,

which we can't we can't not talk about Pat the way the way that you guys have a really

I think impacted this community.

The mark that you have made here is really, really substantial.

And I was I've been talking about Vince other community leaders here this past couple of

weeks.

And it's like everybody has just like these really beautiful so many stories.

And Vince has enough stories of his own.

I mean, we could go on and on.

But Vince, you started off-- and I think this is interesting,

because in terms of a context of our audience,

families that are raising kiddos that are thinking about--

for many of them, thinking about career paths,

thinking about just all the--

helping understand how you take a certain talent,

a certain love, and turn that into a job or a direction

Or something like that and and you started off in this this wonderful thing

Early on in life that seems like it's it's not quite the quite the thing that it used to be but in terms of

terms of journalism in terms of and all that so

We want to dive in and we want to kind of go through your career path a little bit lessons learned

But before we do we always have to ask the dad stats

So dad stats are essentially just who are you?

Family wife kids all the things all the things you want to put out on the internet. Yeah, there we go

Well, I'm your guest tonight. Yes, and I'm grateful for that. I am a proud follower of Jesus Christ

I'm a rich Mullins devotee. Oh, yes. Oh, yes

And and there is a quote in rich the rich Mullins biography and arrow-pointing Skywood that just absolutely

Encapsulate my faith life or my faith walk and and he said

He's madly in love with Jesus

But he doesn't always love Jesus in the way that makes other people around him comfortable

Probably the best way to describe me as well. You know, I'm a little bit of a spiritual mutt. I was

Born and raised Catholic by a Sicilian grandmother. I was the oldest male in my generation

So guess what I was supposed to be guys. Yeah, that didn't happen. Yeah

And you know, I don't know, you know, even when I have the opportunity to fill the pulpit

Now I'll look up and go grandma. This is as close as it

No, yeah, and because I've got four children. Well, you know the celibacy thing. Yeah

So, yeah, but I'm married to Pat and we'll get into this a little later in the program because you wanted to talk about my

influences, but my life is very definitely divided into

BP and AP, who I was before Pat came into my life and who I am or who I hope I am after

Pat came into my life.

And it's, you know, for me, it's just this great story of how God, you know, takes broken

pieces and, and makes jars that will, will hold water.

We have our blended family has four children.

Our daughter, Angela lives in Rockford, Illinois, silly girl.

And, and we have three grandchildren there.

My daughter, Andrea lives in Fairhope, Alabama, which is where we are moving.

Pat is already there.

And then I'm moving at the end of the week and she and Heath have two grandchildren down there.

I'm going to get to watch Braxton play for Fairhope high school.

Yeah.

And that may sound familiar to a couple of people around here.

Cause Fairhope is the alma mater of a kid named Riley Leonard.

Okay.

Who they saw on Colts today and played at the university of Notre Dame.

Our son Benjamin is the director of transportation and logistics for the city of Fort Lauderdale.

So we'll be a little closer to them as well.

And we have two grandchildren there.

And then our wee little one, Melissa, lives in the Marion Wabash area, married into a

farm family.

And we have four grandchildren down there.

So if you're keeping score at home, four children, 11 grandchildren.

I always tell people that I'm the most patient customer in the world, whether at a restaurant

restore because, you know,

especially being a married guy with three adult daughters,

I wait for everything. But,

but that's kind of the dad story and of everything in there.

And I love being Pat's husband, love having the children,

but I'll tell you what,

I grandchildren are kind of God's redemption.

Everything you didn't do right as a parent,

you get a do over for grandchildren.

And we just have a great time with that. I love it.

I love it.

That's awesome.

So Vince, let's, uh, we're going to jump in the time machine and go back and ask the question

when, when you were young, what did you want to be when you grow up?

I wanted to be a lawyer.

Okay.

Oh, you know, after we got over, after we got over, you know, disappointing grandma

and not being a priest.

And um, and uh, moving, uh, in, into the next realm.

When I was in school, I really wanted to be a lawyer.

But I had to work my way...

I went to one year of college and a long story that we don't have to go over, but I became

a foster kid.

And back then we had what they called the parents' confidential statements.

There was pre-FAFSA and I didn't have any parents to do parents' confidential statements.

So if I was going to get through school,

I was going to have to work my way through school.

And I did a lot of speech and debate when I was in high school and kind of

have a, had a natural gravity for being behind a microphone or, you know,

that's another kind of another thing about how God takes those broken pieces.

When I first went to high school the choir director in high school,

Sheldon Bixler was determined that I was going to be the best bass or

baritone he ever had in the choir. Cause my voice was already, you know,

kind of shaping then. Six weeks after that,

I was the permanent narrator for all musical activities because I

can't sing. I love music, but I cannot sing.

So that set the stage a little bit.

A job I got to try and work my way through school was working weekends at the

radio station and turned out that the bug bit.

And so I switched my attentions to looking at broadcasting and ended up doing a

couple of gigs in the Fort Wayne area, but I wanted to do sports and in one of

the few predictions that I've ever gotten correct, I told the folks in Fort

Wayne, I said, "Listen, Bob Chase is going to be here forever." Bob Chase ended up

doing Fort Wayne Comets hockey for 54 years. Just an amazing career and a

terrific guy. So with the help of some folks and the Federated Media up here in

Elkhart, I ended up coming up here, did a little bit of time doing a sports column

for the Elkhart Truth with the promise that when the opportunity came to move into the

play-by-play and broadcasting, that I would slide over to WTRC and that's what happened.

And I ended up spending about four years at the newspaper here in Elkhart and then 13

years at WTRC before it was time to do the career switch again.

Yeah. What, uh, when you're thinking about broadcasting, what, what, what did you love

the most about that work?

I am, there's two things that have carried me through all of my career opportunities.

One is that I love people.

I mean, I just love being around people.

It's one of the things, you know, I explained that I was a spiritual mutt.

I was raised in the Catholic tradition.

My final foster father was a Methodist pastor.

My favorite Bible teacher is a Baptist, David Jeremiah.

I am intrigued and inspired by the Mennonite tradition

that I found when I came here to Elkhart County

and that rare combination of being able to serve Jesus Christ

and also serve fellow man.

So that has kind of got me going as well.

But the thread that runs through all that

is that I just genuinely love people

and I really wanna hear their stories.

And which may be doing interviews and features

and those kinds of things special

because I want to hear their stories.

So you take that natural curiosity that I have

and then you marry it to this wonderful work opportunity

that comes either through broadcasting

or later when I went to the children's home

or banking or whatever.

That's really kind of, I just, I love asking questions.

And it's part of what makes it intriguing here

'cause I'm on the other end of that.

- Yeah, yeah. - I'm answering questions.

- I was just saying, I think that's really

of the show is we just know a lot of people who have written interesting stories and we

love hearing the stories.

And so in connecting people, do you Vince, do you feel like do you feel like the curiosity

thing?

We talk a lot about a spirit of curiosity on this show.

Is that something that can come naturally to you or can you or can you foster curiosity?

Can you build curiosity?

I think most of it comes naturally or at least the seeds are planted naturally by God.

But I think you can learn to cultivate it, and I think there are good ways and poor ways

of learning.

And that's where the BP and AP comes in, is I really, after being with Pat, learned how

to appropriately, you know, make those curiosities come to pass.

But you know, one thing about -- when I explain about my broadcast career, the thing that

probably is the easiest way to explain it to the people who look at the career as a

hole as I shrink it down to 1988. That's a long time ago. But in 1988, I was four.

Go ahead. Thank you. And Mark was like still a Cheeto in his dad's eyes.

Two years old, Mark. Okay.

But in 1988, Rick Meyer was playing football at Goshen High School. Sean Kemp was playing

basketball at Concord. Fellow by the name of David Rivers, who was one of my all-time

favorite athletes, was a basketball player at the University of Notre Dame. And I was

was doing play by play at Notre Dame and Notre Dame won the national championship, which

by the way is the last year they won the national championship in college football.

And I got to do all of that.

Yeah.

I got to be a part of all of that and they paid me to do it.

Silly people.

So that that kind of explains by why broadcasting was so special to me.

But you know, then time moved on and we made changes.

How much how much of it for you was hey?

I just had this I had this skill

And I just built that skill and I've invested in it and how much of it is right place right time well

there's

Probably skill is third okay

Right place right time certainly is a big part of it and the other part is mentors

I mean I had to writ in all of my endeavors

I had terrific mentors and in broadcasting there was a gentleman. It's he's the guy I'm was responsible for

For pushing me toward Elkhart a gentleman by name of Hilliard Gates

people who would be who aren't familiar with Hilliard will recognize him as the play-by-play voice of

The radio guy in the movie Hoosiers, okay

But he was iconic in Fort Wayne as an IU basketball broadcaster in high school

So Hilliard Gates was a was a really really big part of that and a fellow by the name of Jack Maurer

who gave me my first news job when I was just 20 years old in Fort Wayne.

Funny story about Jack, and it's, you know, this is what happens when we age.

Jack and I were talking just about a year or so ago, and we were, you know, talking

about my travels and the different things.

And so he goes, "Well, who hired you here?"

And I went, "Jack, you did."

And he goes, "Oh, that was a long time ago, and you didn't stay very long."

So I had great mentors and then coming to Elkhart County, what really made it, because of my natural curiosity,

just had some terrific coaches that I was able to work with. Tom Kurth was probably the best social worker and coach

when he was football coach at Elkhart Central that you could possibly find.

Jimmy Hahn at Concord opened tremendous, tremendous doors for me to be able to move forward.

And then the sports information director at the University of Notre Dame at the time,

Roger Valdiserri, just gave me terrific opportunities.

So the combat, and then the third was whatever skills or natural abilities.

So first was right place, right time.

You were very perceptive about that.

Then mentors and then whatever skills I may or may not have.

And when you think, when you think about like even skill development as a, as a broadcaster,

I mean, sometimes when I listen to play by play guys, it feels like there's a few things.

Number one, and I'm going to blank on his name, the play by the radio play by play for

the Detroit Lions guy, well, I've, they'll show videos of him up in the booth and he

has a team around him that is, that are, that are pointing to things that are, are listing

things like there is a whole thing.

That was always the frustrating thing about doing high school football, right?

You're doing like on your own with your color guy and you're looking at your charts and

everything else.

And so the higher you go, yeah, easier it is.

- That's right.

- You can't mess it up

'cause you've got three other people pointing.

- Right, and I think that's what I've appreciated

about folks that are at the high school level

that are doing it so well,

because you know that that's the,

I mean, they're getting a workout in there.

Like, developing that skill,

like I just, in my mind, there's so much going on.

I mean, I did PA announcing at the college

that I was at when I first started.

And that alone was watching for the score,

getting the number, looking, saying the right name,

Getting to know the team well enough so that I like just kind of had a sense of what was going on

And that is going on the entire time. Um, it it's more than just a good voice. Obviously. Well, yeah

yeah, it's it's so much more than that and

um and pa announcing I would argue that pa announcing is sometimes

tougher than play-by-play

Because pa announcing everybody hears exactly what's going on, right?

while they're watching it.

- Right.

- Doing radio, that didn't always happen.

Although I still maintain that the best compliment

I ever had as a play-by-play guy

was when people would bring their radios to Northside Gym.

- Oh yes.

- Then you know that when they wanna hear

what you have to say.

And then I had a number of really good color men

who worked with me.

The best was Dave Kowalski, Killer Kowalski,

who played high school basketball at South Bend, Washington

and then played at Georgia Tech and Ohio University.

And he just had so much fun, loved the game so much

that it made the broadcast terrific.

- That's good.

Well, again, some of the best individuals

are people who've got teams,

obviously good teams with them.

- And I think--

- Which is why we love Martin, right?

- Marky Mark!

- That's right, we love Martin.

- There we go, yes.

So, I mean, you had this kind of extensive

all over the place in terms of the broadcast experience.

And then, and then you made, and then you made a move, right?

Which I think from the outside, I just go, I go, Vince, how in the heck

this, I mean, this kind of with the,

what you had built in broadcast and relationships that you had built there,

do you take this next step? So tell us what you did, what you did next,

how you got there. Uh, and yeah, cause I, I just, when I kind of,

I ran through Vince's bio, I was just kind of like, yeah, that's interesting.

Well, I ended up going to Basher Children's Home and became the director of

development. And it was a call.

And it was a call that was precipitated by a valley.

But shortly after Pat and I were married let's see,

it happened in the 1997 and Pat and I were married in 1992.

So about four and a half, five years after Pat and I were married,

we were vacationing in Gulf shores. Oddly enough,

very close to where we're going to live now,

But we were vacationing in Gulf shores and my wife was stricken with a syndrome

called Guillain-Barre. She was paralyzed from the neck down by the time.

I mean it started with tingling in her hands and her feet.

And we ended up being in a hospital in Pensacola, Florida for about nine weeks.

And we slowly began to recover. We lived, you know,

I lived in the best Western motel on North Davis highway across from the

hospital and spent every day with the hospital.

My broadcast people were, were tremendous to me.

I ended up, you know, doing my morning sports shows.

This happened in the late spring, early summer.

I ended up doing my morning sports shows from my hotel room before I went over

to the hospital room. But, and then the community support was just fabulous.

We still run into 20 some years later,

we still run into people who say, Hey, we prayed for you. We were,

and, and we had, you know,

people who just just stormed the Bastille in order to support us.

And one of my favorite story is when I was doing

Gemtown High School football playoffs,

and they were really good back then,

so they made the playoffs almost every year.

But when we did a home football game,

my favorite dessert is apple crisp.

And the Gemtown High School cafeteria

made homemade apple crisp, and I just, I loved it.

So when we did home football games, home playoff games,

the ladies in the cafeteria made a vat of apple crisp

and put it in the press box for me.

And it was up to me whether I shared it or not.

Yeah. And you know, uh, I won't confess whether or not I actually did,

but, um, it depends on whether Bob Nagel was there when Bob was there.

I had no choice but to share his bigger than I am. But, um, but so

when we are probably three weeks into our stay down in Pensacola,

a FedEx box arrives with a return address, Jim town, high school cafeteria.

And I'm going, Oh, whoa, here we go. And I saw, I opened it up.

it's Rice Krispie Squares.

But there's a note to explain that FedEx wouldn't ship the Apple,

the Rice Krispie Squares. But that was,

that that was kind of a, an indication of,

of what Pat and I experienced from so far away,

the hands of prayer that lifted us up, the support that we had.

And what happened, Joel, is when I went back to broadcasting,

it felt a little empty. It just felt like, you know, God,

you did so much for me. If you want me to stay, I'll stay. But if you've got something

else, okay. And it was, I had just begun then to start doing some of my community service.

I was serving on the board at Basher. We were looking for a development director and the

chairman of the board at that time, Earl Poorbaugh, we're in the middle of a discussion. He goes,

you know, I know who would be perfect for this job. And like a guppy, I went, who? And

finger and went, you. And it just sounded right.

And I'll tell you what,

that was such a great thing because I was able to do ministry.

That's when I started preaching because I ended up getting my local pastor's

license to speak in different churches that were supportive of Basher.

We were able to do some really great things, refurbish the cottage.

We built a new school and community center.

I just felt like it was time for me to do something else that I was,

I was called to do something else.

And that experience at the children's home answered that call.

I was able to see how God can really make a difference.

And Clinton frame was one of those churches that came alongside and,

and supported the children's home. And in, you know, all over the County,

it was able, I was able to take my brand, if you will,

or my name recognition and I carried it to Basher.

And a year after I went to Basher, a fellow by the name of Don Phillips,

came from New York to be the CEO. And he and I just,

we had this wonderful time about a 10 year run of just tremendous,

tremendous things that we could see God do on campus. And it was just a thrill.

Yeah. That's amazing.

But that's how I made the transformation.

Yeah. Something completely unexpected to you.

Oh yeah. I never would have said, Oh yeah, that's what I want to do next. Um,

you know, and there's this, you know, kind of trite saying that, you know,

that God doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called.

And I was totally unqualified to go do fundraising and development at a nonprofit agency, especially

the one the size at Basher.

But when I went, there were people who came alongside me and of course they sent me to

school and that kind of stuff.

And so, you know, I ended up, you know, being a tool that God could use to help make a difference

at the children's home.

Yeah.

I got, uh, I got a text from Sean McCrindle, currency over a Basher today.

Vince, these are in Sean's own words,

and you can even tell me more of the story.

He says, this is what he says, he goes,

"Vince is one of those foundational guys for our community.

"He has been such a big part of making things better.

"Wherever he goes, his heart for people and leadership

"inspire me and many others."

My favorite quote he told one of our kids was,

"Look at your belly button.

"It's not the center of the universe."

(laughing)

And then he encouraged him to go and serve with joy.

I am tucking that one away.

- That's a good one.

- Yeah, that's one of a couple that I kinda coined

when I was at the Children's Home.

When I left the Children's Home

for the third of my three major careers,

they gave me a plaque and it was the top 10 Vince sayings.

And it's one of those that still hangs around

either in my office or at home or wherever it happens to be

but because of those things that, you know.

- So I caught that you said three,

you had your career changed.

What's next for you after that?

- Okay, and so then from the children's home,

I met with a couple of guys from Muncie,

Dave Heater and Pat Botts from Mutual Bank at that time.

And they came up, and I assumed they were coming up

to talk about the building project

'cause Basher's Footprints extends all the way down

to the Indianapolis area

and Mutual Bank was born, was birthed in Muncie.

And we were about five or six minutes into the conversation

and I found out my assumptions were all wrong

'cause David looked at me and said,

"Have you ever thought about banking?"

And I went, "No."

(David and Aaron laughing)

And six weeks later, I was signing a letter of intent

and ended up becoming first a business development officer

and then the regional manager for Mutual Bank,

which since got bought out after about,

I was there about 12, 13 years.

But that was another one of those things where, you know, you,

you just kind of wrestle. I understand what Jacob felt like now. And, you know,

and I'm thankful that my hip doesn't hurt, but, but, um,

and, and tell a story on myself. I've got a good friend. His name is Rob Neal.

He's a pastor in, it was in Upland at that time. And,

and I called him cause I was trying to, I felt called the basher,

but I was intrigued with the opportunity and I really felt like, okay,

it's time to move on.

Plus it looked like it was an opportunity for me to move toward the kids who live

in fair hope that we're going to go be by now lived in Indianapolis at the time.

And we really thought Indianapolis would be a great place to live.

So I was kind of looking for a career path that would take me down there. So,

um, we were looking at that,

but I really hesitated because I had felt called by God

to be at Basher and I didn't want to deny the call.

You know, the guy, the last guy that said no to God

lived in a fish for a while.

I didn't think that'd be a great place

to take up residence.

And so, but the banking opportunity

was one of three different opportunities

that I had unsolicited when I was starting to think,

you know, it might be time to do something else.

So I called Rob and Rob starts laughing at me

and I was angry.

I was like, Rob, I'm pouring out my heart.

- I'm calling for help here, man.

- Yeah, what's your problem?

He goes, he said, Vince, you are the subject

of every student pastor who's ever used

the guy on the roof story.

What?

He goes, yeah, he says, you know that old story

that the floods are coming, the guy crawls on the roof,

a rowboat comes by and says, hey, come down, we'll take you.

And he says, no, God's gonna save me.

And then a helicopter flies in and says,

"Hey, you know, we'll dangle the rope."

And the guy says, "No, no, God's going to save me."

And well, and then sooner or later,

the floodwaters rise up and the guy drowns.

And he's standing in front of God soaking wet and said,

"God, I relied on you to save me."

And God said, "I don't know what your problem was.

I sent you a boat and I sent you a helicopter."

So, and it's, so then it dawned on me.

He said, "Vince, you're released."

- Yeah.

- You know, God wouldn't have sent you these opportunities

if you weren't released.

So I had an opportunity to go to Mutual Bank

and had a great run there.

And then in 2020, there was a merger,

Northwest bought out Mutual.

And my bride at that time asked me to take a year off.

My big concern, you know,

I knew they weren't gonna keep the executive team

when the merger happened.

And my bride asked me to take a year off

'cause that's also when COVID came.

And so I was probably under a little more stress

than I realized, but certainly Pat knew it.

So I did. - As they do.

- I made it about nine months.

And then Nick Kiefer at the Goshen Chamber of Commerce

called me and we started talking

and they wanted to start a podcast program,

The Sound of Goshen.

And they thought, hey, we'll get an old radio guy

who's not doing anything.

Now what I really believe happened is that

after me being at nine months at home

and Pat looking at the prospect of three more months

of me being at home before this year off took place,

I think she wrote Nick a check and said,

Look, take him two days a week for as long as this money holds out.

So, you know,

I came semi out of retirement to work as the communication specialist at the

chamber of commerce doing the podcast and teaching the leadership class and that

kind of thing. And I've just had a tremendous, tremendous opportunity.

And the fulfillment that I've had over the last four and a half years has,

has really been terrific. Nick's been a great guy to work with. And, and,

You know, so when you put all three of those things together,

when you take my journalism career, newspaper, radio,

and then you take the children's home,

and then you take the bank,

and my great loves were satisfied in all three of those.

All of them were ripe for natural curiosity.

All of them gave you great opportunities

to intersect with people.

And all of them met that need I have inside

to have a challenge, and banking especially,

Because, you know, when we sat down, when I did the business development thing for about

two years, and then Chuck Viator was the Northern Region president at the time.

And he called me and, and you'll appreciate this, anybody who's ever gone through like,

you know, evaluations or whatever the case may be.

But Chuck gives me a call and said, Hey, are you in Warsaw or Elkhart this Friday?

Because I had both Kosciuszko and Elkhart County.

I said, Oh, I'm in Warsaw.

He says, well, you know, let's pick a restaurant and let's meet Friday morning.

And I'm like, uh oh.

Yeah, that doesn't sound good.

No, no.

This is like right in the cusp of the financial crisis and everything else.

And, eh, we're meeting in a public place and it's on Friday morning and uh-huh.

Yeah. So I even told Pat, I said, Hey, you know, I might not come home with a job.

Yeah. You know, this is, you know, you need to be ready for this.

So, you know, Chuck outlines these things and, and then, uh, says,

uh, we want you to take over as regional manager. You know, Max is retiring.

And, you know, we want you to take the regional manager's job.

And this is how bad my filter is, because I looked at him when he asked that and I

go, I didn't apply for that.

So he starts laughing and says, OK, you know, we understand, but, you know, we've

watched you work and we think you'd be good at this and we think you'd enjoy it

and so on. So we go through all these things and finally agree.

And then Chuck says, oh, by the way, you need to go back to school.

Oh, so.

So at age 54, I became the oldest person in the graduate banking program at the

University of Wisconsin, but had a great time and a great time.

By the way, the one thing that happened the first summer I went to Wisconsin,

when I was in Madison,

I wanted to drive to Bloomington and apologize to all those people for thinking

they were liberal.

Cause Madison, Wisconsin is a different planet.

Yes, well, and I think all of us as Midwesterners, we forget that like there are these cities that are that can be seemingly so different from the from the surrounding area.

Right. And I have I've experienced that as well.

Bloomington is these these the blueberry in the strawberry pie.

That's funny. So, man, so, you know, Vince, I think you didn't think I'd ramble this much.

No, I love that. I love all of this.

Great. It's great.

This is going in the vault.

This is every people are like, if you're like, Hey, tell me more about Vince.

I'm like, here's the, here's the episode ready made.

There you go.

Um, you know, when you came to the chamber and you mentioned this,

like the thing that I, and my wife has said this,

and I have seen more from a distance, but I, I've really, really appreciated is,

is your investment in young, in young leaders specifically. And, and I,

it just seems to me like, I see that as being a real source of joy to enjoy to

What's been your perspective and your approach and your goals in terms of working with young

leaders and the kind of in our business from that chamber side, but in kind of business,

the business world, when you're, because you've done these kind of cohorts, essentially, kind

of these leadership cohorts.

What's the, what has been the dream for that?

What really kind of inspired you to make that kind of investment?

Well, Nick Kiefer gets the credit for, you know, creating the concept and trying to work

hard to make things happen. And then,

but the great thing about it from my perspective was he gave me this outline

of what he wanted to see happen. And then he said,

you just color in whatever fits your personality with how you fit the needs and

everything else. You know, my,

my favorite biblical character is John Mark and,

and then kind of by assimilation, Barnabas.

Barnabas was the encourager and, you know,

Mark is my favorite gospel because Mark is filled with these stories where people had an encounter

with Jesus Christ. But that encounter was the fodder for that encounter was something they did.

It was initiative that they took, whether it's the woman who reached out and touched the hem of

his garment, or whether it was Jarius who sought out Christ and said, you know, Hey, my daughter,

Or the, you know, the, the four men who lowered,

I love the story of the faith of the four,

they lowered the paralytic before Jesus, you know,

think about the building committee when the roof got a hole torn in it and they

didn't care. So, but that impetus then, you know, as I,

as because Marcus is such a wonderful book for me,

I started trying to learn a little bit more about John Mark.

And in one of the things about John Mark was he had somebody who built into him

And that was Barnabas to the point where Barnabas and Paul even strained their relationship

over John Mark, you know, John Mark, um, scripture is not really clear on it,

but he messed up somewhere. And Paul, when they got ready to take another journey,

Paul's like, nah, I'm not taking that guy. Yeah. He's a little bit like the Mark back there.

And, um, and sorry, it was just too easy. Um, but so, and Barnabas said, no, no, no, no. We're,

you know, he, he deserves to be with us. And Paul was adamant.

And so Paul and Silas went one way and,

and Barnabas and John Mark went the other,

but it's really interesting because there's a piece in Timothy,

just one of these little tiny,

and I love these little nuggets that are in scripture that you can read past 20

times. And then, but the 21st time it's like, Whoa. So in,

in Paul's letter from prison to Timothy,

and he talks about being pretty much alone and, you know,

So bring this person, bring that person. He said, bring John Mark,

because he is useful to me.

So because of the effort that Barnabas put into John Mark,

even Paul came around. So that's my goal.

When you talk about being able to build into young people,

my goal is to be Barnabas. I want to help people understand,

young people,

especially understand the special gifts that God has put in them and then give

succeed. That's amazing. And when that happens, that's when I take great pride. Yeah. Yeah.

What, what for you has been sort of the approach in sort of uncovering those, those things

that I know that, you know, so many, so many young professionals today, I mean, we, Andy

and I talk about, and we have a whole conversation around kind of the emerging generation and

concerns that we, I mean, concerns that we have in terms of them entering the marketplace

and, and, you know, skill set development and kind of awarenesses and kind of the EQ

development and all of that.

What, what has been, when you're thinking about like specifically how you've gone about

making those investments, is there, is there skill sets that we need to be talking about

with young, with young professionals?

Are there awarenesses?

Like, what has kind of risen to the top for you and your, and your concern?

Well, the, the first thing I had to do is make sure I was tuned in.

You know, it's, you can't be a coach if you don't know how well you coach and what it's

like to be a player and so on.

So the thing I had to do was learn to listen.

And as you guys have found out in the last 35 minutes or whatever, that's not one of

my best skills, but, but so I had to learn to listen and, and be able to absorb that.

But so then what I did there is I went back to my roots.

You know, I told you I'm a naturally curious person.

So I just want, I got naturally curious about each person that was in the cohort or in the

Academy. I wanted to hear their story. I wanted to, you know, tell me where you were at, you

know, help me understand. And as far as skill sets, um, I think the biggest thing, I think

there's two things. Um, one is, and I go back to my sports days this way and you know, we

get so hung up on having to succeed every single time. But do you realize that we put

people in baseball's hall of fame who fail 70% of the time.

That's right.

I mean, 300 hitters are considered the gold standard.

What that means is that 70% of the time they didn't get a hit.

They didn't do anything, but they made the 30 out of 100 count.

And so if you can get people to see that they don't have to succeed every time, but they

do need to learn something.

And you watch the great hitters in Major League Baseball.

And if a pitcher gets them out with a slider down and in

the first time up, guess what happens the second and third time?

They lay off the slider down and in because they've learned from that experience.

And then when the pitcher goes to a pitch, he didn't necessarily want to throw.

That's when they stroke it out in the gap and drive in two runs with a bases loaded

double or whatever the case may be.

So getting, getting people to quit putting so much pressure on themselves is one.

But the other thing then is I, I go back to the, to the John Mark Marnavis

experience. Not all of us were meant to be Paul.

Not all of us were meant to be the guy in charge,

but all of us can be Barnabas. All of us can be the encourager.

All of us can be the cheerleader. All of us, those could be, you know,

to come alongside. So my mantra, when I was at the bank and,

and when I was managing and when I was working with people,

my mantra was that I wanted to do the same thing with everybody in every job

description. The first thing I wanted to do was teach.

You have to be able to outline to people. You have, you know,

you need to know the basics.

You got to understand what it is we expect from you.

The other thing is I think we need to coach, you know,

once we've taught you the basics,

then we need to coach you on how to implement those basics in the way that it

best benefits the organization and helps you to grow as well.

Unfortunately, I think in today's world,

the thing we leave off is what I think is the third and maybe the most important

of what I consider that trio and that's cheerlead.

I really believe that you need to, and that's what I try to do with the cohorts.

I tried to get everybody to believe in themselves by cheering on the things that

they talked about and that, that they were trying to go for. And,

And I think that's, and I, I take that translation into,

even into our faith life.

We we've got great teachers in our congregations and in our

churches, and certainly in our pulpits,

we've got great teachers who put their hearts and soul into teaching.

And we've even got people within the church that are pretty good coaches,

you know,

whether they're Sunday school leaders or people who serve on the board or

whatever, in my opinion, and it's just my opinion,

I don't mean this as a criticism, but in my opinion, where,

where congregations really, I don't want to say fail,

cause it's too strong a word, but where they,

where they don't maximize what those first two things bring is we're really

lousy cheerleaders. You know, we're, we're not very good at saying, man,

we saw that we've seen your progress. You know, we've seen going to the,

going to the couple that was struggling and then seeing

And then seeing little things, and again,

I'm naturally curious, so I'll be in a church setting

sometimes and I'll know that maybe six months ago

that couple was really struggling,

and man, they were on the precipice.

And then six months later, you see them sitting

in a pew or in a chair or whatever,

and she's got her head laying on his shoulder

and he's gently stroking her hair.

I need to say something.

- Yeah, right.

And I don't, and not in the way it's good.

- I couldn't help but notice the two of you

were pretty cozy.

- A little PDA going on there or whatever.

Or, wow, you guys were on the rocks

and now it looks like you're gonna be okay.

No, I just, you know, I'll say something

and sometimes it'll be just maybe to the guy in private

and I'll just go, man, you know what I loved

about today's service?

It had nothing to do with the sermon,

had nothing to do with the music.

I saw how you were loving on your wife.

Man, that just inspired me.

And I'm gonna go home and do the same.

- Yeah, yeah.

- So if in all of our aspects,

and I know that was a long way of answering your question,

but one of the things that I really try to do

is I try to be a cheerleader.

I want, you know, I hope people feel better

after they've been with me for a little bit.

I really do.

I hope they feel better,

but I hope they feel better for the right reasons.

And that's because the spirit of God flows through me

and my enthusiasm flows out.

And they just say, you know,

hey, that was kind of fun being around Vince.

Yeah, yeah, so we would be remiss if

We didn't have the discussion around your better half and this person because you

You have identified Pat as this really formational person in your life the the years before her and then after her

Tell us tell us about I mean tell us about your relationship tell us about what

What that has what that has done for you because I get I get a sense that you're a different man today

Than you were because of her the work that God has done and the work that God used Pat to do as I hope

Well, I believe has has made a tremendous difference

I just wasn't a really good person for the early part of my career

I just was and it wasn't that I was this, you know evil guy or whatever. I was just centered on Vince

I mean I was the president of the Vince Turner fan club and

And and that self-centeredness

You know it it cost me a marriage

It it probably hurt at least in the initial

Years hurt my relationship or impeded my relationship with my children

I know there are some people for every person that you may say hey

Vince is a great guy you can find some people to go offence you know and

So you know after I went through you know the marriage thing, and I'm sitting in the barber chair

I don't know how many people know Doug Schaefer used to have Doug sports cut oh, yeah

Oh, yeah, and Doug's been a friend forever. He's cut my hair ever since I've been in the media and

He's I'm sitting in the barber chair, and he says Vince. Are you dating anybody? I said no and leave me alone

I'm not interested.

And if you know Doug at all,

you know Doug's not gonna let go.

And he kind of kept on and said,

"Hey, I know this girl and I think she'd be special for you."

And I'm like, "Okay, the only way that I'm gonna get

"my hair cut is if I agree, I'll call."

(laughing)

So I said, "Okay, Doug."

I said, "I'll tell you what, you talk to her

"and if she's interested, I'll call."

The story's much better when Pat's here

to tell her half of it.

We may have to get you guys some time.

Because this other half of it is she just tells it so much better.

But Benjamin, our son, she brought Benjamin in for his haircut.

And Doug's kind of hemming and hawing and looking over at Pat while she's cutting on

Benjamin's hair.

And Pat, are you seeing anybody?

And Pat said her first thing was she panicked.

Because she's like, Doug, you're married.

Yeah, yeah.

What are you asking for?

And you know, what are you asking for this?

And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.

I just know this guy and I think you two would be special together."

Well, so, you know, they're going on and he's kind of trying to feel her out a little bit.

And so he wants her to see a picture of me.

So you know, say, "Well, you know, he's not a troll.

He's not, you know, he's not like Mark.

He's not in the cave eating Cheetos and you know, whatever."

And, you know, and, and so he, he had a picture.

He and Jamie Moyer and I were friends and Jamie Moyer was pitching major league baseball

at the time. At that time he was married to Digerfeld's daughter and they lived in the

South Bend area during the offseason. So the three of us did some things together and we

happened to have a picture, Doug happened to have a picture of them. So he shows the

picture. Well, Benjamin's like, "Mom, he knows Jamie Moyer. He knows him. And so you got

to go out with him." So I agreed to call and then we agreed to meet. And guys, I know this.

I mean, it sounds like a rom-com. It sounds like I should be Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan be

walking in somewhere, I know this, but I'm telling you, I mean I'm absolutely

telling you, it was in the old townhouse restaurant and they used to have those

double doors where you could come in this way and we had told each other I'll

be wearing a blue jacket, she was wearing a red jacket and you know so I opened

the doors, we opened the doors simultaneously from opposite ends and

I'm like hey red and she's high blue. Guys you could have knocked me over.

Mmm-hmm I just I mean I was smitten mm-hmm I was smitten, but it was funny then cuz the first words out of her mouth

Was I don't want a relationship my first reaction was my first reaction was who asked yeah

Even though I was thinking you know that yes, there's something special. There's something right so we started

We started talking and we you know went out a couple of times and whatever and I just so then there was this phone call

and we're talking and

She says, "Well, you know, I've been thinking and I'm, and I'm,

and so I'm trying to coax it out." And she says, "Well, I just,

I just wonder what it would be like for us to be..." You know? And I'm,

so I'm on the other phone going, "Yeah!" But then what do I do?

Cause I can't say, well,

I've been thinking that right from the start because it sounds like the line of

all lines, you know, I'd be the John Lovett's, you know? And, um,

but you know, in a, in a short matter of time, um,

We ended up getting married and and where Pat helped change my life is

She accepted me for me

loved me unconditionally and

Did things to help me grow that sound like anybody else, you know

Some guy named Jesus. Mm-hmm, but

But she did it in such a way that was just such a lift

And and the pressure was off

And the pressure, I didn't have to prove anything.

And, and we just started,

and then I saw just the pureness of her heart and to be able to,

to just to, to follow that. And then I,

so then that was a challenge for my faith life because I had plenty up here and

didn't have enough down here.

And then when she went through the illness, Guillain-Barre,

that's when it went, you know,

I'm dropped from from my head to my heart and I've said this and it hasn't changed my goal in my

Pursuit of God is to be close enough on that road to Pat that I can at least see her tail lights

She is an amazing mother

She is a meemaw is the term we use down south and she is a fabulous meemaw

She's also and sometimes this is a little bit of frustration, but it's also whoo-hoo

Magnet hmm if there's anybody anywhere anytime that desperately needs help they will find Pat yeah

Sometimes to my frustration

But they will find Pat and she has a heart as big as a beach ball that she'll reach out for him and that has

That has changed my life. God used Pat to get ahold of me. Yeah, that's amazing

Yeah, Pat's so Pat was an educate was an educator right and then has been

Word word has it on the street

I think everybody, at least in this community, knows a an A1, very dedicated volunteer.

Yes.

And in recent years, continue to invest in children, continuing to mentor and in care.

And I think especially through our local Boys and Girls Club.

And so I I just it seems that the two of you have this this element of of service has really

been the mark of your of your life here in recent years in particular.

Do you do you guys like I don't know do you do you find ways to serve together or are

you do you kind of do it.

But we also we are we are very different.

That just you know God had a sense of humor.

We're going to put him and her together.

Come here angels.

Let's watch this.

I mean seriously we are about as different in some ways as you could possibly imagine.

I love it big, the bigger, the better. Pat likes it small.

I like it loud as you can probably tell she likes it quiet.

I like my meat medium, rare or rare. She likes her as medium.

Well, you know, all the way down this list, but where we're together,

we're together for a love of God. We're together for a love of our, uh, uh,

our children and our grandchildren.

We are together for a love of community and where we have the opportunity we

serve together. Um, but,

But what we do is sometimes we'll run parallel lines and I'm serving over here.

I get did a lot on the board and administratively for the Boys and Girls Club.

And Kevin Deary used me until, you know, it kind of rode me hard and put me away

away. And Pat did the one on one thing and and worked with young people

and made a difference there. So, yeah, there there have been times when we do it

together, but there are also times when we do it simultaneously rather than together.

So our mutual friend, Tammy Hicks, president CEO of Boys and Girls Club, Alcart County.

And it never tells the truth.

Yeah. So she this is this is her story. She's sticking to it.

Tammy's re she reached out to me and I'm so grateful that she shared that. She said

Vince has been a cornerstone of the Boys and Girls Club of Alcart County for more than 20 years.

His impact is woven into nearly every part of our organization, from the stage,

the clubs to the statehouse. Vince has graciously emceed our events for two decades, being heart,

humor, and I've seen that I think of bids for kids, for instance, events. I've whenever I just

enjoy watching that whole, you get up there and do your thing. Yeah. Bringing heart, humor,

and purpose to every room that he steps into. He has shown up year after year at our golf outings,

supported our teams, and poured his time and energy into mentoring the kids who need it most.

Vince has been a dedicated coach for our the Youth of the Year teens.

OK, yeah.

Helping them find their voice, tell their stories and step confidently

into leadership.

Beyond that, he has been a powerful advocate for our mission

at the legislative front, which, interestingly enough, ensuring that our needs,

the needs of young people in our community are heard about and understood.

And then, of course, Tammy says we are equally grateful

for his beautiful bride, Pat, whose presence at the Ghostian Club

has been nothing short of an amazing blessing.

She's volunteered countless hours tutoring, mentoring and investing in our kids.

And her kindness has touched families and staff alike.

Together, Vince and his wife embody what it means to champion youth,

which I am deeply, deeply passionate about as well.

Their commitment, compassion and unwavering support

has helped shape the lives of hundreds of young people

and strengthen the very foundation of our clubs.

We are deeply grateful for everything they have given.

To boys and girls clubs of Elkhart County. I was very kind words. So just what I

Again, I literally, you know, sometimes I reach out to my my nonprofit executive friends and I'll be like, hey

Can I get this from you?

It'll be like it'll be like a few days because they're busy people whatever no one

It's like they stopped what they did and they were like I needed to say this about vents

They wasted zero time. So I know that it was this was a real blessing for them for both

Tammy and Sean to be able to reply to just I think again

You know when you talk about Pat this is a this is a one flesh to become one sort of sort of

initiative here and I just I love I love seeing I

Just I love seeing the impact that you have that you have made and I I think

You know Vince when we ask we talk about legacy because I mean those are those are words now that you get to I guess

we get to use that, you know, I always talk about, uh,

he just called me old legacy.

Cause like in development world, when you're talking about legacy gifts,

it's always like we are talking about people that are of a certain age or a

certain place in their life. Like, what do you want to leave behind?

And it's like, well, they're not dead yet. But, um,

when you think about the word legacy and what, and what you're hoping,

what you're hoping marks, uh, your experience interaction with this community,

what, what is, what is that? What do you desire?

My all-time favorite quote outside of Scripture was the words that Edward Kennedy used at

Robert Kennedy's eulogy.

That he said were words that, and I think he attributed to Senator Kennedy, you know,

as something he lived by.

And that was, "Some men see things as they are and ask why.

I dream things that never were and ask why not."

If I leave any kind of a legacy,

that's the legacy I hope I've left.

That I looked at the world, looked at our community,

or even looked at one-on-one relationships

and just said, "Why not?

"Why not make this happen?"

I love it, beautiful.

- So you and Pat are moving.

Pat's already moved.

- Yep.

- What's next for Vince and Pat?

- For me, it's to breathe a little bit.

I've spent 40 years building the brand

and in the spotlight and those kinds of things.

And you never say never, you know, it's, you know,

God's gotten ahold of me and shook me before.

But one thing I'm hoping right now,

the number one thing I hope, you know,

I told you my grandson's gonna be playing football

at Fairhope, already is playing football,

but I'll get to see his last two seasons.

I wanna be the old guy in a ball cap,

sitting on the metal bleachers,

watching practice and not saying a word.

And I know there are people who, what Vince?

No, I can't say a word, but I just,

I want to be that guy who just silently watches and soaks it in and cheers on my

grandson. And then,

but I'm also open to whatever happens when we get down there and we'll be ready.

And the other golden part is because, because we're a blended family,

because we both had already kind of established our career paths and everything,

you know,

Pat and I hit the decks running and have just been running ever since.

This is a time where we can press the reset button together

and learn to do things together all over again.

And you asked a very poignant question

about how many things do you do together.

And I confess that a lot of what we did

was parallel or simultaneously.

This is an opportunity now to find things

that we'll actually do together

and be able to do those things.

- Love it.

We're excited to see the new Turner chapter.

- There you go, absolutely.

- Yeah, that's awesome.

Well Vince, first of all, immensely honored that you would just share your story and share

your experience.

I am beyond grateful that you're here.

We however can never release any of our guests from the show before the final.

- Now it's time for dudes and dads pop quiz.

- Thank you.

- Pop quiz, here we go.

- Pop quiz.

Which yeah if you've never joined us before it's the time we get to pepper vent Vince with just questions that have nothing to do

With anything then just to get to know him better. Yeah, Joel. Do you want to go first? You know I I do

and

It's which is interesting with Vince is that some of these pop quiz questions

I was thinking about asking there. I realized that they were like like super deep and intentional

Yeah, and I was like well. We'll see how deep and intentional our conversation is

- Let's start it up, okay.

This is actually, so this is like a,

this is midway somewhere in the middle.

Vince, talk to me about a book or a collection of writings

that has been most impactful for you.

- The Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning.

That's where Rich Mullins got the ragamuffin bang.

The Ragamuffin Gospel kind of boiled down for me

theology in its very simplest terms,

that no matter what you've done,

no matter how you've done it, you are loved.

and God has a way of making a difference in your life.

The ragamuffin gospel.

Beautiful.

- Awesome, that's great.

So if you had somebody that followed you around all the time

and did something for you, like an assistant,

what would you have them do?

- I'd probably put them in charge of something.

(laughing)

Because it's what I do.

I try to raise people up to be able to move ahead of me

rather than one behind me.

But if I had like a personal assistant or whatever,

They would lead me to some of the best restaurants in in Fairhope and Baldwin County in the Gulf area

Oh there we go it would take me here show me where to eat

So we got to find Bubba Joe or whoever it is down there. Yeah, yeah, so on that on that note Vince

What's what's the best thing you've ever eaten?

My favorite food is asparagus

What

Icebreakers yeah for our cohort or whatever and one of the things that put his favorite food now always go

Oh my favorite foods asparagus everybody goes you what yeah, but that's my favorite food

I

Don't know if I could boil it to one thing

I mean, I love I love good pasta, but probably my favorite food is cerulean restaurant in Warsaw

Yeah, I'm is probably my favorite place to eat wonderful. I'm gonna go the opposite of that

What's the thing that no one else should eat ever again?

Don't ever don't you like don't even don't even shake my hand if you like liver and onions

Alright, we're good

So okay, so once mark gets set up with this is

We get him set up. I

Need to find out if people are still eating liver and onions

Oh, they do in is this if it's an actual thing still because

I'll check let me check that right now, so like yeah, cuz I I just go

I have never encountered it.

I have never been offered it, but maybe I have just been fortunate to avoid it so far.

And according to Vince, that is the case.

Okay, Vince, let's say, we'll just do the classic, you're stranded on a deserted island

and you get to have three things with you.

What are you going to have?

- I'm going to have my bride.

- Yes.

- Or is that the definition of stranded that I can't have anybody else?

But I'd want my bride.

I'd want my Bible.

I'd like at least one Beatles album.

Oh, okay.

Wow.

The Beatles will get him through.

All right.

That's beautiful.

I don't know.

Sure.

Yeah.

Oh man.

That's got me laughing.

I can't think of another question.

Um, we'll go with, um, what's one thing that most people don't know about you?

Ah, that I, I think more people are picking up on it, but I, I also as noisy as I am and

as loquacious as I am and I do value private time and my favorite thing to do is walk.

I walk all over Goshen and I enjoy that time, that hour and a half or whatever that I'm

just either have music in my ears or a book on tape in ears and I enjoy the private time.

I think people sometimes are surprised by that.

Yeah.

Vince, if there's one new hobby you could pick up, what would it be?

A new hobby hmm. I'd love to learn to play the piano. Oh, okay, nice

I failed miserably with Sheldon Bixler and the choir, and I love music

I mean I have music around me all the time. I think I'd like to learn to play the piano listen well

You have successfully passed the dudes and dads

Even with asparagus

I like a spare are you grading on the curve what we'll see is I like a spare when we go to the YouTube

but we'll see if our viewership just tanked

as soon as he shared that.

It's hard to say.

- I like it.

The thing I don't like about asparagus

is the next day when you're--

- When your pee smells weird?

- When your peeing smells weird.

- So full disclosure, this really is a dudes and dads podcast.

- I think this is family safe.

I have had the experience where I have forgotten

that I have eaten asparagus.

- Mark.

- Yeah, there's a quote where I've forgotten

that I have eaten asparagus

And then I am like, you're surprised.

You're like, Oh no, what's wrong?

And they're like, Oh right.

Yeah, that's right.

I forgot what I had for dinner.

All right.

Well, this is just proof that, you know, this is why I know that God had a sense

of humor.

Why Christ had a sense of humor because he had a dozen dudes and dads running

around.

And there you go.

So there had to have been a Belchett and farting going on the whole time.

You know?

So yeah.

Yeah.

And you just proved it.

There we go.

Well, again, Vince, we're so grateful for you for, for Pat, for the, just the

impact that you've made in our community here and beyond, we wish you all of the best, all

the joy, all the happiness for this next chapter in life.

We're really excited for you.

And we also hope that Vince will be able to share the dudes and dads down in Alabama.

We will.

We'll tune in.

Spread it around.

This is what we do.

We bring people in and then as disciples, we just send them out.

We bless them to go to the four corners of the world.

So thanks so much, Vince.

Grateful for you.

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We'll make him as appropriately available

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Yeah you gotta give us a message. You got work to do.

These two guys can't do it by themselves. You got work to do.

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