Here we go again, it’s a new year and there’s a new type of flu going around that’s going to kill us. The 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) first originated in Wuhan, a city of eleven million people in China, and since it began, internet rumors have been flying fast and furious, in many places spread through memes.

Some are fun…

Some aren’t:

How does bogus information spread so quickly? Trust.

Trust in the media is at an all time low.

 Only 41% of Americans have a lot or a good amount of faith in the veracity of mass media. Trust in the government is even lower. In 1958, 73% of Americans had faith in their government, in 2019, it was at 17%. People just don’t believe what they’re told. And it’s not like the government hasn’t lied to them before or that the media has completely gotten a story wrong. When you don’t trust the institutions that are supposed to tell you the truth, conspiracy theories start looking a lot better.

How are people just supposed to trust the party line when official stories look ridiculous (looking at you Jeffrey Epstein)?! And we know that China censors the Internet, how can we trust anything coming out of there? That’s what we tackle this week as we discuss conspiracy theories, the Coronavirus, and why people are attracted to misinformation.

So what are some of our favorite Coronavirus conspiraces?

• That the Virology Institute of Wuhan is a “real life” Umbrella Corporation like in the video game and movie, Resident Evil
• Bill Gates patented the Coronavirus in 2015 and now he’s going to use it to depopulate the planet
• It’s a Chinese bioweapon that escaped from the lab
• That using a special soution called MMS ( miracle mineral solution ) can cure you of the Coronavirus, even though it’s actually just bleach
• That China is doing a media blackout as crematorium employees report hundreds of bodies being burned so the disease won’t spread
• That the virus contains 4 “protein inserts” from HIV that show the virus was designed and didn’t just occur naturally

For conspiracies to work like crackpots think they do, it would require geniuses at the top. Benjamin Franklin famously said, “Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.” Whether it’s UFOs, cars that are powered by water, or bioengineered virii, the truth would get out. We keep believing that humans are actually smarter than they are, when the truth is that the inmates are running the asylum.

Welcome to See You on the Other Mike, where the world of

the mysterious collides with the world of entertainment.

A discussion of art, music, movies, spirituality,

the weird, and self discovery. And

now, your hosts, musicians and entertainers

who have their own weakness for the weird, Mike and

Wendy from the band Sunspot. Episode 282,

the coronavirus conspiracy. Dun, dun,

dun. That's right. Well, Wendy, how are you feeling today?

I feel great today, Mike. Okay. How about you? I'm feeling a little bit under

the weather. Uh-oh. I woke up with a little tickle in my throat.

Oh, no. Yeah. I'm gonna have just back away slowly. I'll

be talking from over here today. It was the Wuhan tickle.

Well, you haven't been experiencing a fever, have you, or

perhaps a cough or maybe shortness of breath? I mean, I I

was a little hot yesterday, and I thought I Mike have a fever. Mhmm. But

that was just because I needed more cowbell. Oh. Oh,

she walked into it, everybody. You should have seen it. It was like walking into

a glass door. Okay. So,

this week, we do wanna talk about what's been in the news, and that is

the coronavirus, and everybody's been talking about it.

And the thing is it's not in the United States yet as of this recording.

We're recording on Sunday, February 2nd, and this might be

a time capsule in the future because it's like, oh, look how innocent the

Americans were when they talked about the coronavirus before they all died.

They thought they were just free and clear. Yes.

But it I mean, almost 300 people have died so far

of it. So there has been, you know, definite cases of

people passing away from the coronavirus, but not around here. And

also, it's a very it's flu like symptoms. Right? Right.

Exactly. It's just you know, it's funny because you'd think there'd be some

real clear symptom that would let you know you have the

coronavirus. But, really, basically, if you feel like you have a cold or the

flu, you're gonna Mike. Coronavirus. Over, the coronavirus happens. There's

an engineered bioweapon in your system. Yeah. And you're basically it's it's

like what happened to Dustin Hoffman in outbreak.

So yeah. The symptoms are just, you know, they say fever, cough, or

shortness of breath. Okay. That's what you're looking out for. Now when I said that

almost 300 people have died of the coronavirus, you gave me a look like,

Mike, you're full of it. I thought there were more. Oh, there might be more?

Okay. That's the thing. Now this is what this episode is about,

however. It's about the misinformation, the because the

thing is, is it misinformation? Is it disinformation? You know?

Right. Everybody's been talking about it and everybody has an

opinion about it, but how many people actually know the facts? That's right. And

the thing is it's funny it's not funny, of course. It's not

funny when you're when you're coughing to death. But it's

weird because, it is such

a, you know, it's it's just like the flu. The

symptoms are the same as the flu. Right. So it's just another

variety of the flu which you could have it and

recover from it and never even know. Right. So but what happens though if you

have diarrhea and you look down and there's your spleen in the toilet, game's over.

But no. The people who die from it, it's just typically, you know, they

can develop pneumonia or other, you know, if it's someone real

older or maybe more frail Mhmm. That the symptoms might

affect more seriously. Obviously, respiratory, that's a serious thing if you can't breathe.

Right. And so then people get infections or things like that just like

any other flu. Well, what I think is, you know, interesting here is that it

seems like every few years, we get some kind of new people

talk about things like an epidemic, like it's gonna be the Spanish flu

of 1921 that killed, you know, a 1000000 people.

Right. Right. And of course, there was a meme going around

the other day that said, like, Wendy, bubonic plague,

17/20, smallpox, 18 It went up the list

Right. To, like, Wendy, coronavirus. Right. It's, like, every 100

years, there's a virus. No. Every year, there's a virus.

And, Mike, you were correct. I have today's situation report

on the coronavirus sit rep. Straight from the CDC. And,

yes, it said that there's been 304 deaths in

China and one outside of China. And that outside of China

actually was in Madison, Wisconsin. No. I wasn't. I just

really just kidding. I just wanted to spook you. You did. Did you

see my face? Yes. I did. Here's the thing,

though. You know, every few years and I remember and this is why I'm not

terrified of the coronavirus. This might be famous last words here, but why

I'm not terrified of the coronavirus is so

2,000 and was it 2003, 2004? It's the middle of

the SARS epidemic. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And everybody's like SARS.

It's gonna kill you. And people in Toronto are walking

around with the, the face masks. Yeah. The, you know, the surgical

face masks. I thought they just wanted to play doctor. I'm Mike, I'm gonna have

a good time. I'm gonna have a good time with the Canucks tonight. Are they

worried about the pollution? Yeah. Right. Or smog.

But, no, they were I mean, people wearing face masks. And we had a

show in Toronto. Like, this was April

of oh, I wanna say 2003. Yeah. It

was early in the aughts. No. So we go up we

go up to to Toronto, play a show, and I believe that was also the

first time I drank 9% beer or whatever. Yeah. That Canadian

beer snuck up on us. Knocked us on our butts. We had

no idea. Right. Because we each had a pitcher.

So by the end of the and so so Ben's, our guitar

player, his girlfriend at the time was going to the University of Toronto, so he

went off with her and then which left Wendy and I to fend for ourselves

in the mean those mean Canadian streets, you know,

glistening with maple syrup. And so we're up

there, and it's after bar times. We play a show. It went really well and

had a lot of fun, and then we were hanging out at the bartender, and

everybody was super Mike. Yeah, it was great. Yeah.

Aboot. And we were having a really good Mike. And so drinking beers,

and then we just all we needed to get some food. Oh, yeah. As you

do. At bar time. At bar time after drinking a pitcher of

9% Canadian beer, the good stuff. And so we're just

wandering into Chinatown, like, right at the center of the SARS

epidemic. The heart of the SARS outbreak, basically. Heart of the SARS

for the North American. For the North. And we're just going in there at

2 o'clock in the morning, eating. And I And we ate everything inside, and it

was delicious. Chances of me washing my hands were very low.

And Oh. You know, what could have kept us safe?

The pickling. Yeah. The fact that

our the fact that our bodies, you know, the

the the SARS virus could have came in and been Mike Oh, god. Dude, it

arrived. Yeah. Retreat. Retreat. Right. They didn't wanna

operate in a body with a drunken driver. This is not a safe environment to

to live in. So we were kept safe from the SARS virus. And the best

is my mother who is I mean, she's not

necessarily a germophobe, a little bit. She's always very into hand washing,

but just always paying attention to whatever health crisis or whatever whatever

is going on in the world. She knows, like, some horror story about it. Oh,

no. And so she was just, you know Aw. She's worrying about

her little boy. Right. Because I called her the next day, like, because we have

I think we drove down to New York the next day. And, like, oh, I

remember a great Mike. Tour's going really well. And she's like,

well, where were you? And I'm like, oh, we had the best Chinese food in

Toronto last night at 2 o'clock. And then why she's like, oh Mike

god. My baby's gonna die. You know that

all the things? Yeah. And remember the bird flu came out a few years

after that? Yeah. Yeah. And everybody's like, the bird flu gotta kill you. Yeah.

Well, there and and that's actually, you know, just just to get some facts

out here at the beginning before we dive into the conspiracy Coronomy. Aspect

of it. But it is not caught by drinking coronas, so no

worries, Mike. Although my favorite fear I love my favorite my favorite meme so far

has been, you know what goes great with the coronavirus?

Lyme disease. Oh, my gosh. That's not even That's an

awesome joke. I saved that one.

But a coronavirus is is, you know, it's a series

of viri. Yes. Oh, look at you. Busted at them English chops.

And they call this one the novel coronavirus just because it's the newest

one. So they call it the Wendy dash n c o v. So

not that it's particularly literary or anything like that. No. No. But we could

maybe we could write a novel about it. Right. It kills it kills you longer

than the novella. Right. But the facts are really simple

about this. And the thing is, so a coronavirus is like a

family of of viruses or viri, if you will. And

basically, they can be transmitted between animals and humans. So

there's one feature about them that is common among coronavirus. Okay.

So you can catch them from an animal. Yes. So Mike the bird flu. That

was a kind of coronavirus? Yeah. It was. And so there was another one

that was spread fairly recently a few years ago that originated from some

kind of camel that then went to humans. And this one, they

think might be Somebody was trying to drink the water from the hump. Maybe.

Maybe. I knew they put a straw right in it. Right. They

think that it came from possibly from bats.

And they're they're pointing toward the Wuhan, like, the

market place. Okay. So somebody had sex with a bat.

Gosh. Maybe they did, like, an Aussie. I don't know. But

anyway so it's I blame this whole

coronavirus on Ozzie Osborne.

He started it. He started by biting the bat. Yeah.

So straight from the CDC page, it says, you know, most

often spread from person to person happens among close contacts. About

6 feet, you couldn't transmit it because So you've already given me

the coronavirus. I don't have it. Oh, Christ.

But it is thought to occur mainly via respiratory

droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes,

similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread. These

droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or

or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. And it says that

it's currently unclear if a person can get the virus by touching a surface or

object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or

eyes. But basically, you just you wanna avoid bodily

fluids from someone who has it. That's a safe that seems like a safe bet

no matter what. And so they say that, like, we touch our faces, you

know, hundreds of times every day. I'm doing it right now. Yeah. So the thing

is if you're in public you're Mike in an elevator and somebody sneezes and,

you know, Mike droplet of their mucus

might find its way onto your finger and then you rub your eye and

voila, you've got the corona. And you're dead.

No. But anyway, so but I did watch a video on the same

website where they said that you don't have to worry about, like, getting a package

from China. You know, if you ordered something on Wish or

something like that. From Alibaba. Right. It wouldn't

survive. Like, it doesn't it barely survives at all outside of

its human carrier. So the key is is touching

something that came from another human. Don't do it. Okay. Fair enough.

Okay. So we don't have to worry too much. Pretty simple facts there. So just

wash your hands. They say, you know, wash your hands 20 seconds with soap

and just avoid contact with people. And I thought it was I recommend

that in general. Wendy I avoid contact with people, I tend to get

less upset, period. Yeah. And if you do catch it, just stay away

from everybody. Like, don't be spreading that. Just die alone.

Now I thought, this I saw the story and I just had to share this

really quickly and then we'll get to the fun conspiracy. Sure. No, please.

There was a gas mask wearing passenger that caused a flight to be

delayed in Texas because he panicked the other travelers. So

this fella like, I've seen people with you've seen people with

masks on in airplanes. Right? You know? Kind of Absolutely. You see people all the

time. Well, people they do it on the subway a lot now. Yeah. Is that

they wear the mask. It's a great way if you wanna stay, like,

not talking to people. Like, no. I was reading about why they

wear the mask, and sometimes it's because they they're worried about germs, and

sometimes it's just a way to signify that you you know, like, you

socially don't wanna talk to anybody else. Closed for business. This mouth is closed. Like,

I'm done. I'm thinking about something or whatever. I don't wanna talk to you. Like,

don't hit on me. Well, I always Subway traveler. I always think

about anytime I'm in a plane and you hear people coughing

and hacking up stuff and you're Mike, oh, my God. This air is just

circulating. We're all breathing it. You know? Yeah. How how can you not get

sick if you're in the The disease incubator. Exactly. So I respect. But

this guy, he got on the

That picture is great. Yeah. He got on the plane with, like, a

full face, like, covering gas mask.

Right. He looked he looks like, like some dude from World War 1 that's just

sitting in the seat. Exactly. So, you know, he freaked out the

passengers because people thought he might have something with him that, like, he

was trying to protect himself from. Why else would you unless you had a gas

bomb or something like that, unless you were planning on releasing some kind of harmful

chemical, Why would you wear that on a plane? And his whole entire head is

covered, so you can't even see his face. Well, anyway, I just saw that and

I thought that was kinda funny. I'm like, oh, man. What is going on here?

Wait. So they they removed him from the plane instead of just saying, like, excuse

me, sir. Can you remove your gas mask because you are upsetting the

other passengers? Yeah. Well, I I think they might have asked him and he

He said no? Maybe he couldn't hear him because he had a gas mask covering

his whole face. But Oh, okay. Anyway, they said that he did get on another

flight and did not wear the mask. So Okay. Anyway,

this is just the level of, like, what's happening here. And I don't

even know if that's related to the coronavirus, but it just made me think of

that because so many people are wearing the masks now Yes. Because of the fear

that's being spread through the news. Well, can you know, this is from

livescience dotcom. Can wearing a face mask protect you from the new coronavirus?

Yeah. No. Okay. So don't waste your time. So the answer

so according to doctor William Shoffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt

in Tennessee, he says that, it just

isn't gonna do enough stuff. There is a specialized

mask called the N 95 respirator that can protect. Because

it probably has a finer filter. Right? Right. It's got a thicker one

than the surgical mask, but the ones that people are wearing are just straight up

surgical masks or stuff that you buy from Home Depot or Menards or

whatever. Maybe it makes you feel better. So there might be a psychosomatic

Sure. Effect. But just your standard surgical

mask, is not gonna help you against

the coronavirus. They're not designed to keep out viral particles. They

don't fit tightly around enough. Sure. That mucus

could get in there. It could snake its way. It's just better to wear a

gas mask when you fly a plane. Don't do that. Just wear I

encourage you I encourage the listening audience. Next time you get on a

plane, be the Oh my gosh. Be the gas mask wearing person and see how

far that gets you. Well, I do have one more interesting fact

related to viruses. Keep them coming. And I saw this article and I thought it

was kinda cool because they have found that depending on when you're

born, which viruses are spreading that year

Okay. Makes you more resistant to certain other viri, like, in

that family, which, you know, it makes sense kind of. But, yeah, they were

correlating, that people, you know, if if a child was born during,

like, the h one n one year, then their ability

to, like, fight that brand of flu is

better throughout their life. So they can predict, you know, if they see,

like, okay, some some baby that was born

in 2020, when they're an adult, if the a

corona style virus comes around again, they're gonna be better at fighting

it because they were born in that year when it was having an outbreak or

whatever. Okay. Just an interesting kind of I don't know. I thought that was

that was really interesting that, like, different generations have different resistances or

abilities to to fight off outbreak type things like

this. I think that is a kind of a a cool thing, and it does

show that, like, how humans are just so interesting in the way

that, if there's no one size fits all

when it comes to it. You know? You're thinking, like, okay. Well, the kid's born

today. In 20 years, they're gonna be, like, coronavirus.

Right. Right. But maybe somebody who was born during the

SARS, you know, because it's a coronavirus

style thing, they might be more resistant to this coronavirus.

And now the reason they call it the coronavirus, right, is because it

has it looks like it has little rays around it I don't know. Like

a crown. Okay. Like the sun like the The corona of the moon or sun.

Yeah. And so when people are looking at it under a microscope or whatever, they

seem to have, it looks like the corona around the sun. So

that's why they call it the coronavirus, which just I mean, corona is just, is

it Spanish for crown? I don't know. I mean, it's it's all derived from

Latin anyways. We just say it's a Latinate. Sure. Latinate

word derived from the Latin for crown. I do have to say

that I can understand why people freak out about these things, though. And

I admit, I listened to some of

the, well, more nonscientific stuff

about the Zika virus Ah, sure. When that came out. Yeah. I mean, I changed

an entire vacation because of the Zika virus. Yeah.

And, so if you feel like you've got something to

protect, then you might be like, okay. Now I'm really worried about this. Oh,

absolutely. And we were laughing about this, like, not all. You know? But

but the thing is, like, I when I felt like I was worried when taking

a pregnant woman to a place with the Zika virus, when the when the State

Department said don't go there Yeah. I was like, let's not go there. And

then we're at a restaurant in Mike, and we're sitting

outside, a mosquito lands on my shoulder, and I asked the waiter, can we go

inside? Nice. I did. I did. It

infected you. Right? And we didn't go to the Keys or we didn't go to

the Everglades or anything like that because that was going to be mosquito central. So

I thought about that in advance. And so I admit even though, like, we're

kind of making fun of, like, the terror or my mother's afraid of the SARS

virus, I'll be the first to admit No. When I was worried about it, I

actually I'm I would have worn the mask. It is legitimate too,

especially if you know somebody who's frail or

sickly or maybe somebody who's like doing chemotherapy and they always

say, you have to be really careful because you're not as good at fighting off

these things. So yeah, it is scary if you know somebody in that or if

you're in that position. Right. It can be a thing to

be, I guess, overly aware of. But it's because, you

know, we have legitimate fears of dying of the

flu. I mean, because it's killed 100 of millions of people over time.

And you look at that map and you see that huge red dot over China,

you know, it's Mike Well and that's the thing to so,

I mean, this is what makes us susceptible to people talking

crazy things about it and conspiracies and thinking that it's more than just the

flu, especially because we're dealing with China. And I

think Americans have a somewhat

natural distrust of China because it was kind of an enemy for a

long time, at least in the communist versus free market world

kinda thing, until now. I mean, all of our stuff got started making

China in the past 20 years. Right. But if you think about what happened after

the 2nd World War where, there was the entire,

Chinese civil war, the communist won. They went through.

They killed tens of millions of people if you were a doctor or you were

a scientist or anything. They went through the Cultural Revolution. A lot of things went

down, and we didn't even hear about it. It was closed off. You know, it

was closed off until 1972 when Nixon went, and then we reopened

relations with the country. So you have this kind of

idea Mike China feels like, oh, what goes on over

there kind of thing. Because if they have all these

draconian rules that we're used to hearing about. Oh, they only can have one

child and then if they get pregnant again, you gotta abort the child.

Oh, there's a social credit system where,

the government's keeping track of everything. And then there's also the deals that

Google and Facebook and everybody had to make to be able to run-in China. Right.

Yeah. That they like, Google has to censor the search the search result has to

be approved by the government. So it seems like this more

than ever, the the Far East, the Orient seems

like it's oriental as far as the original,

the original definition of the term oriental in that it's mysterious. And so I think

we have this natural disposition, even though we've probably known a

1000 Chinese guys. If you went to college, you definitely hung out with some Chinese

guys. Oh, yeah. You know? But you have this natural disposition to be

like you think of it as a mysterious place. And I would say

the city of Wuhan, which has 11,000,000

people. Oh Mike gosh. So the city of Wuhan would already be, like, the 2nd

largest city in the United States. This is

probably the first time anybody's ever heard of it, at least. Right. In

common discussion around us. Mike, the the people who are listening to this podcast

are native English speakers. Chances are you're American. You might be British or Australian.

But Canadian. Or or Canadian. And we love you

all. But the thing is, as far as it's just it's a mysterious

place. And we we we have this sense of the Chinese as the

other, I think, especially with the way the media blows up

trade wars and things like this. And it makes it sound like,

okay. Anything could happen. And so it makes these conspiracy ideas more

believable. And to get into just some of the things that

people have been saying, first of all, the people that have been calling it the

kung flu Oh, man. I hadn't even heard that. Right. The kung flu. That's

kind of funny. But, you know, more

than, it seems like different kinds

of diseases in the past than viri in the past. This

one is more directed of, okay. The Chinese now this is their

bioweapon that's out on the loose. So instead of thinking, like, oh, it's just

a bird flu or it's just something that passed from bats to humans and

nobody had sex with a bat, What the

original idea was that somebody maybe have would have eaten a

bat, Mike, bat soup or something like that? I don't know.

And Or, like, a bat flew by and sneezed or

something and it Or a bat bitcha. You know? Mike, right. I There are vampire

bats and they have bitten humans. Yeah. And so it's not that weird. Like, somebody

had an encounter with a bat and it Or, like, what if a bat, you

know, landed on somebody's food at the market or something like that and, you

know Crap on it. Who knows? I don't know. Because think about guano.

Think about bat poop. Like it's it's real, man.

And if it if it dropped on your food or something It's real.

It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be a lot of bat poop.

Yeah. Like it has to be Just a microscopic particle? It has to be a

respiratory particle or whatever. So if coughing can do it, then just a

little bit of bad poop could do it. So there's this picture going around,

and it's somebody at the Wuhan Seafood and

Animal Market, and they do have, like, bat soup there.

And they show the different kinds of foods. They're cutting up

frogs. You know, they're making up fish. And Making me

hungry. Right. And then I think a lot of people also, a lot of your

standard, quote unquote standard

Americans might look at that. They're Mike, well, I've been to the to the I've

been to the Chinatown market, and they see the fish with the eyes on it

and stuff. And Yeah. You have that sense, that sense of mystery, that sense of

the other that I think makes it easy to be like, oh, they eat

bats? Yeah. Well, we eat we eat pigs'

toenails. Like we, you know, that's Jell O. We feed our kids

toenails from pigs. So eating a bat is not that big of a stretch.

I know it's Right. But it's not processed to the point where you can't recognize

it. I think that's what Right. Because Jell O is sweet and tasty and a

bat And it doesn't look like a pig's toenail. Did you put a bat on

a stick? What is this? And then, you know, some people were were

saying it was this market and it's because this somebody either ate a bat, a

bat bit them, anything like that. But it's the Oh, it's

not. Well, in animal to human stuff, I mean, that's why when

there's mad cow disease, they have to kill an entire crop

of cows. That's why when, you know, chronic wasting disease, how

many millions of deer were killed in Wisconsin because,

chronic wasting disease can pass from a deer to a human? And then it becomes,

like, a terrifying thing. And so, yes, you you can get this stuff from

eating it, and it can turn you into a zombie and you'll eat people. Yeah.

So don't eat bats, kids. No. I mean, eat whatever you want.

Now some people, the conspiracy guys, especially this one, 0hedge.com.

And 0hedge.com, the guy doesn't even have his real name

on the byline. Like, he just says Tyler Durden, which is Jack Lipret,

ice cream, Mike club. Jeez. And

but, I mean, 0hedge.com gets plenty of

hits. And, like, he goes in and he's Mike,

that idea of the market, and his quotes, is a fabricated farce. And the

real reason behind the viral spread is because a weaponized version of the coronavirus

was released by Wuhan's Institute of Virology, a top level

4 biohazard lab, which was studying, quote, unquote, the world's most

dangerous pathogens. Perhaps it would be a good idea for the same

Wuhan Institute of Virology to remove the following help wanted

notice posted on November 18, 2019, according to

which the institute is seeking to hire 1 or 2 postdoc fellows who will

use, quote, bats to research the molecular mechanism

that allows Ebola and SARS associated coronaviruses to lie

dormant for a long time without causing diseases. Oh, no. Now

this is an interesting thing too because you can like, because of Google

Translate, like, now people can, like, do research themselves

and go to places and translate a webpage and find

out. The thing is, I mean, there was a Wuhan Institute of

Virology where they are studying these kind of things, but does that mean it necessarily

escaped? Like, they're studying coronaviruses all over the world. Right.

But people talking about this as, like, some kind of Chinese bioweapon,

like, that's just being released, that just

like, once you make that once you have a lab there Yeah. That

connection is there. Work. Then the connection is there because we've seen too many movies.

Oh, no. They must have been working on some kind of bioweapon. And

it's not like we haven't worked on bioweapons and it hasn't

backfired before. There's an island off the coast of

Scotland, Gruyngard Island or I don't know how to say it. May I say it

like a Scotsman? Gruyngard. Gruyngard Island is a small oval shaped

Scottish island approximately 2 kilometers located in Gruyngard Bay

about halfway between Gairach and Ullapool. At its closest point to

the mainland, it's about 1 kilometer offshore. The island was dangerous

for all mammals after experiments with the anthrax bacterium in

1942, and it was not decontaminated until the late 20th

century. So we had this island off the coast of Scotland where they were

actually doing anthrax experiments to test to

see what would happen if there was an anthrax

attack. Scary. And because they're coming off of World War 1, in

World War 1, they were using like, that's where the gas masks all came from.

Right? That's I mean, people had to have gas masks in the field because they

were So scary. Gassing each other in the trenches.

And so then the what the Brits decided to do is that they wanna check

out, okay, well, what happened if anthrax was released and they did it on this

island and then that island became uninhabitable Mhmm. For 50

years? And so it's not like these kind of

things haven't happened in the past. Mhmm. So that this is a

true story. Plants the seed. We're not making up growing your island.

You know, this is this is a real thing, and and it belonged to somebody

who wanted to have, like, livestock on it and stuff. And the government

was just Mike, sorry. You know? Like, we

we ruined it for you. Wow. So how long before they admitted that?

It was 1981. So we're getting to, like, almost 40 years

later. Newspapers started receiving

messages with this heading called Operation Dark Harvest Woah. That

demanded the government decontaminate the island.

And so they were you know, starting in 1986, they started

decontaminating the island, and they finally, stopped the

quarantine in 1990. So almost

50 years after it was declared uninhabitable, then they were like,

they had gotten all the anthrax off it. Wow.

So just like those little kind of things where you're like, alright, you hear about

that. Now that wasn't top secret. Okay. Yeah. That that's what I

was wondering. Yeah. That wasn't some kind of top even though, like, the Brits just

kind of let it go for 40 years until somebody's like, Hey, we want this

island back. So that wasn't a top secret. I

think that was a real thing. So you hear stories like that, and it makes

you believe, okay. Well, maybe they could test it.

Maybe a biological weapon could get out. But an island seems like a lot

more believable place for them to choose as the Right. Testing ground for

it. They planned a testing ground so they wouldn't kill people. Right. Not I mean,

you look at Wuhan, China. It's, like, right in the middle of

Yeah. It would be the 2nd largest this city in Wuhan

that most of us have never heard of would have been the 2nd largest city

in the United States. You know? And so it just kinda you're

Mike, alright. So, it's that first

idea. I mean, I've also heard I was reading somewhere. Oh, Wendy, have you

ever spent any time on 4chan? Not a lot, but yeah. Okay. I spent

a bunch of time on 4chan when I was working on this. And

4chan is a it's a like a message board, if you guys haven't been there.

It's a it's a message board. It looks like a old school message board, people

responding to each other and stuff, Mike, we all used to use 20 years ago.

But it's image based, so it really encourages people to Mike, that's where a lot

of memes come from. People will post an image. Everybody will like it and will

respond to it. They'll laugh at it. They'll copy it from there, and they'll take

it to other social media. But the thing about 4chan is that, like, when

you go on Facebook, your like, your

mom's gonna see what you had to say. Okay. You know, when you go on

Twitter, like, it has to be associated with, like, a real email address.

Yeah. So it's not so anonymous. Yeah. You can still be pretty anonymous on Twitter.

Mike, Facebook, you can't. Mike, in other social

media sites, like, they're all kind of traceable. 4chan's the place you go

to where anonymous people go. And so Oh,

boy. You know how it is. I mean, people are horrible to each other on

the Internet when they know who the person is. Yeah. Imagine how they

are when you're completely anonymous Oh, man. And that other

person to you is also completely anonymous. Yeah. I know. For a chance the place

those discussions happen. It's also an interesting place because of the

anonymity. You kinda get to see how the world really

is and the way people talk to each other. Interesting. And the way people would

act if we all were, I don't know, police? I'm

gonna put that in place. Sounds horrible. But

this is straight where, I mean, people are talking about they're Mike, well, yes.

Well, this is gonna be a people are just coming in saying I'm a,

you know, I'm someone that works with the CDC or whatever. And we and

I can't say my name, but we know that this is a

bioengineered weapon that's on the loose. And actually, the

Canadian government is using it to test its social credit system.

Because now they're seeing if because the social credit system is based on

when people log in to their social media sites, the kind of phone

usage they have. It's a way to keep track of their people.

Well, now how do we keep track of if there's a disease or an outbreak?

They're testing it out in case of Mike some kind of national emergency because the

social credit system then would be used to determine who gets

saved. Oh, wow. So how do you how do you concentrate

on who if you could only save a certain amount of people, how do you

concentrate on it? Wow. You know, there's another thing that,

we've already been introduced to this idea of a virus from China

in the book World War Z. So in the book World War

Z, the zombie virus that takes over the planet

starts in China and then it because,

the way the Chinese government is, secrecy,

they keep things to themselves. Yeah. You know, kind of things they're not as open

with the rest of the world. Like, that causes the virus to spread because

they wanna admit to it. It's if you guys had a chance to watch the,

HBO series Chernobyl that was on, you kinda see that

the Soviet Union did not wanna admit the world that

their reactors had a problem. Okay. And because they didn't wanna admit

that, it made the whole problem away. And a lot more people died than needed

to Oh, man. Because they wouldn't do it. Washington Post,

this just came out yesterday. Early missteps and

state secrecy in China probably allowed the coronavirus to spread farther

and faster. Uh-oh. Now whatever you feel about the Washington Post,

like, if you feel like it's fake news or not, at least the Washington Post

has to have some of its information backed up. And

so, you know, this tells the story about

how because the Chinese government the way it is, because

they did keep things secret, because

they, they do have this gigantic bureaucracy that

prioritizes political stability over all else. They

try to keep people calm. They try to keep the masses, you

know, complacent or whatever while they work on the problem

instead of saying, like, you're all gonna die. Say

that. But, you know, because they have because

that's the way their system is, it wasn't it's not made

for stopping a virus from getting out of the country. Right. Because then they gotta

admit there's a virus. And Now you have 11,000,000 people freaking out. Yeah.

And also, it makes the person in charge of that area

look bad. And I guess that's really frowned upon among,

like, the government. You don't wanna be the one that everybody's laughing at because you

screwed up or, you know, whatever. So they try to keep things quiet until it's

under control. Right. So that, I think, is part of it too. And so but

this all leads into the conspiracy thing because this then

it starts making things a little more believable. Okay? So it's just a cover up

then. You just blame it on the local official and and the local bureaucracy, you

know, or little things. And it all kind of feeds into each other. You know,

in the article, it says that rumors of a mysterious

virus start to swirl Mike December. Chinese

social media, particularly among medical professionals. And it's clear

now that Chinese officials soon knew something was amiss. So the officials

knew something was going on, but they weren't releasing it

to the medical professionals because they hadn't figured it out yet. And even,

you know, you get somebody from the the China the head of China Studies at

the Center For Strategic International Studies in Washington, Jude

Blanchette, says China's public health system has been modernized, but

China's political system hasn't. If anything, there's been a regression.

So medical professionals who tried to sound an alarm are seized by the police.

Key state media admitted mention of the outbreak for weeks. So the

whole idea was they maintain stability and don't tell people about the

actual problem. Man. Now if there's an actual conspiracy involved

in this, that's where it sounds like it's a

conspiracy of state media and the government in order

to keep people calm so they wouldn't freak out.

And so all those little things, they contribute to this

idea that, okay, maybe there's something more sinister going

on. Something sinister Mike, this is all Bill Gates'

fault. What? Yeah. This is okay. Oh no.

So what happens is,

this kinda ties in one of the people that the first people to suggest this

is going back to 4chan, is this guy named Q Okay. On

4chan. And so Q claims that he is deep

inside the United States government and

that, Donald Trump is fighting a

war against the deep state. And the deep state

is people who are in the CIA, who are in the Defense

Department. Oh, okay. Different levels. So basically, the military

industrial complex is the deep state. Okay. And Donald Trump

is fighting them because they are all unelected officials. They're appointed officials that are sometimes

there for Mike, kind of like J. Edgar Hoover. J. Edgar Hoover, I mean, lasted

to, like, 5 different presidents as the head of the FBI. So there's all

these three letter organizations inside the Washington

system, and Q is also there. And Q is talking about

this elite cabal of people inside the

deep state that are also pedophiles. Oh, boy. And they operate a

pedophile ring. And Donald Trump has a secret plan to stop them

all. Okay. And so he posts these

conspiracy theories on the 4chan and some

people really get into it. There's 4 Republican candidates who are running for

Congress right now who, like, retweeted a bunch of

q they're called Qanon. Because everybody like, most people on 4chan

are anonymous or whatever. Sure. So the conspiracy is called QAnon. Okay.

And the thing is there's little aspects of it that then start

to they make they make things sound real, make things feel real. You

know, when you find out that one of the guys in the FBI

was texting his girlfriend at the time or whatever, we gotta take Donald

Trump down or, you know, we gotta do things. Oh, jeez. And they're just which

I mean, half the text of the people in Madison would be that. Right? Because

everybody's political. That's true. But normal Mike, people that have political text

and maybe if you're in the FBI and that's your Yeah. You know, you're not

supposed to be having political thoughts like that or doing that. But at the same

time, that keeps feeding into that idea that, okay, it's

Donald Trump versus the deep state of these CIA and

FBI guys. And, anyway, QAnon's out there,

and he's saying things about, like, how Bill Gates,

the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was a

primary owner of a patent in

2015 that somebody patented a coronavirus,

and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation was the primary owner. So that comes up Mike,

okay. So but you said coronavirus is a

group of virus, a group of iri. There's not just one it's not just

one coronavirus. Yeah. That's why they call it the 2019

novel Strain. The novel strain. Whatever. The newest one. The latest one to

infect. So, you know, it comes out that, the Gates

Foundation did help fund a UK institute, the Pirbright

Institute, which holds a patent related to the development of a weakened strain

of the coronavirus that could be used to vaccinate birds or other

animals for respiratory diseases. And the institute had the say because people

were kept on saying, like, first of all, Bill and Melinda Gates do not

own our institute. Right. 2nd of all, we don't work with any human

coronaviruses. They were just working with bird

viruses, and they were just trying to vaccinate them. Okay.

So but it's just the idea there's you find something with enough

truth in it that, okay, this

institute works with coronavirus. Bill Gates gave them

money, and Bill Gates now owns the patent of the

coronavirus. And you hear enough of those things, like, well, there's enough truth

in there. And so that's one thing. When I was looking at

4chan today, I mean, so people have been debunking this one for a couple weeks

about Bill Gates and the coronavirus. People were still talking today, like,

well, obviously, you know, this is part of Bill Gates' plan to help depopulate the

planet. Oh, gosh. Because if we depopulate the planet,

then, we're not gonna have, you know, you

have less carbon emissions for global warming. Oh. If you deposit your planet, you

don't have to worry about food. Right. You know, it's

well, it's the entire it's the entire, it's basically what's his

name from the Avengers. It's basically Thanos' plan. Thanos

says that the universe has too many things that are taking up all you know,

they're ruining the universe. Too many people. Mhmm. So that's why he indiscriminately

kills half the population in the universe so that there's enough

stuff for everybody. So it's a and this is the idea of the new world

order. This is the idea of, like, this elite cabal to

depopulate the planet. I've been talking about that forever. Mike, Alex Jones has been

ringing the depopulation bell, for as long as I've heard about it, And

the idea is not that just humans would be more easier to

control, but that you could lead us to a more utopian

state. So this is their idea of they're going to create a utopian state

by Mike by killing off a good segment of the population. That I mean,

the X Files that's an that's true of the X Files. You know?

That's true that the population is true of the X Files too. This

is the latest one, though. This came out in, like, the last

week. And there's this thing that people have been talking about

called miracle mineral solution,

MMS. And the thing about MMS is

that it's bleach. What? And

and people have been talking about for a while, No.

Chlorine dioxide. So they're saying, like,

they're selling a little bit of this, like, chlorine dioxide diluted in

water, and, people have been

recommending it for if, you know, if you didn't vaccinate

your kids. It's gonna help you fight diseases. And I

don't know why peep I mean, whether they're trying to sell

it or what they're trying to do with it, but, like,

because chlorine dioxide, Mike

viruses are listed on something that chlorine dioxide would kill, because

of course, what do you do with the floors or whatever if

somebody's been sick? Do you ever bleach the floor? Of course, you

disinfect. You disinfect your bleach. So it's gonna kill,

it's gonna kill bacteria. It's also gonna kill you.

Right. So Q comes out and says something about,

like, you know, if you wanna defend yourself against the coronavirus, you're gonna wanna

use this miracle mineral solution. And so miracle mineral solution sounds

much better than drink bleach. Right. So

someone's selling this as a product, though, online? Yeah. There's a, there's

a YouTuber named Jordan Sather, and he's, Mike, he's just talking in

his videos. He's like, I'm gonna MMS the whole out of everything.

Miracle mineral solutions. So he says this, and, you

know, he follows up, you know, Jordan Sather. I mean, he follows

up. He starts talking about the stuff they said on 0hedge.com or

whatever. And when he's talking about the stuff on Zerohedge.com

that we talked about originally where they said it was a bioengineered

virus from China that's being let loose through the planet,

Zero Hedge also came out and started trying to find

Wendy, when do you remember the movie Resident Evil? Yes.

Kinda. Okay. There's a video game too. I mean, it all came from this video

game. Right. And I played the video game a couple of times, but I was

kinda already out of video games by the time Resident Evil came out. So I

but I did see the movies. And Resident Evil, there

is this virus that spreads and turns everybody into zombies. Oh. So,

I mean, it's kinda like Oh, yeah. World War z in that way. Yeah. Yeah.

My brother was super into that game. Sure. He was right at the perfect age

for it. And, like, the business who is developing that is called the

Umbrella Corporation. And so the Umbrella

Corporation is headquartered in Raccoon City.

Well, raccoon is an anagram of

corona. Oh. Alright? Oh, man. So you you find that

this is the exact same thing we were talking about last week when we were

finding links between star Mike a Star Trek conspiracy. You

know what John Tenney was telling us? He was making up a conspiracy before our

very eyes about Star Trek, and he was using these things

that sounded true. Mhmm. And you're Mike, oh, man. Corona is

an anagram for raccoon. Well, it is in English, but it

isn't in Japanese. Right? Which is why they originally

developed. So nobody thinks, like, okay, well what was it originally in Japanese Wendy

you're thinking about Resident Evil because that's what the game was written in Japanese.

So he goes in and they have this entire Mike this Wuhan

Biohazard Lab, the Institute of Virology, is the real

life umbrella corporation because they're developing that stuff.

And so people are spreading this that, you know, that it's the Institute of

Virology, that it's being spread. The YouTubers are coming on and saying,

well, the way that's going to make you safe is by drinking the

miracle mineral solution. And That's

scary. They're profiting on people, by selling them products. But are they

trying to kill them? That's what I don't get. Right. Why would you want to

give your customers something dangerous so they can't buy more of it? I almost feel

like whoever is doing the Q stuff is the world's biggest troll

because you get tens of thousands of people believing them. Yeah. And

now you're getting republic these people are running unopposed in certain areas.

Some of these Republican people running for Congress. And you usually think, like, Republican. Alright.

Well, they may be cheap on money, but at least they're gonna be pretty smart

or whatever. But these guys are taking cute conspiracy stuff, and they're running a

they're going to be congresspeople. They're going to be in congress,

like elected representatives of Americans. And we gotta

tell them, like, no new taxes and stop listening

to QAnon. Mike, that's it. Slowly back away from

the QAnon. And why would you think that somebody would do this? Because

people are giving it a reaction. Like, why would you come up with a conspiracy

theory? Because you're getting reaction. What Right. I mean, we were

just talking about this before we, you know, like, what's the purpose of, like, being

in a band and writing songs? We want millions of people to enjoy the songs.

We want to create music that people love. We want to create a story that

has an impact. These guys are creating a story that has an impact. Right.

It's just Whether it's good or evil, I think is secondary to the fact that

it's working. And I I mean, I see people in my

Facebook feed, people who are business people, intelligent, smart, that

are regurgitating the QAnon stuff, like, oh, yeah. Well,

obviously, it's because of these pedophiles at the highest level. And,

like, of course, there are I mean, Jeffrey Epstein,

he doesn't we it's not that he just killed himself or

whatever. Yeah. It's that, like, they don't have the video, and the guards fell

asleep. And it's Mike, oh, what if you were gonna kill

him and make it look like he killed him? Why didn't you just do it

right? You know, you pay the guards, and the guy's like, oh, yeah, he killed

himself. Right. Yeah. Right? I mean, why why does it always have to be

so mysterious? It's like somebody's creating the trauma for us. Yeah. It's

true. They're creating something for us to talk about.

That Jordan Sather guy is also linking it. The the YouTuber we're talking about, who

wants YouTube drink bleach, also is Mike it's very

curious this is all happening during the impeachment too, isn't it? So

then he connects it to, like I mean, honestly, I

think most people aren't even paying attention to the impeachment because they're Mike, well, it's

not gonna work. So why would you Except to Madison. Everybody's mad. Man,

my Uber driver on the way back from the airport the other day was listening

to impeachment, you know, and he was Mike, pretty interesting, I'm like, no.

Yeah. Anyway, another

person I respect today comes out, he puts this on

Facebook, just reading some scientific research by Indian

scientists to the coronavirus. Their tests show that the, quote, delivery

system, unquote, used to infect people is actually a variant of the HIV

virus. The scientists have concluded that this is not a naturally occurring

event. In fact, they've identified 3 unique inserts from the

coronavirus. Mainstream media has ignored these papers completely,

but they dropped the metaphoric ball by reporting that the coronavirus responds to

anti HIV drugs. And he goes, this

post may disappear in a few hours as Facebook has ordered a clampdown on

fake coronavirus news. So they're admitting it's fake.

Or admitting, you know, that that it's gonna be taken down or it might be

a conspiracy theory. And it comes in and the

site that, you know, a lot of this comes from is communal news.com, which I

have no idea if that's gonna

be a What are their credentials? Right. That's the thing. Communal

news.com. Like, who's their fact checker? Right. Yeah. You know? And they're coming

out saying, if this report from India is true, it is indeed a

bioengineered virus. New information become available states

that a India lab has just confirmed that the coronavirus has at least 4 protein

inserts from HIV that suggest it's bioengineered as a biological

weapon. They also cross reference the coronavirus

patents filed in 2015. So now they're

mentioning those patents that those guys said was just a bird, you know, vaccine or

whatever, and they're using words like protein inserts

that most people are like, oh, wow. It's gotta be real. They wouldn't

they wouldn't lie about protein inserts. No. I mean, that's science, man.

Yeah. So you see that and you stick this stuff in, and it's the

exact same thing when you hear something that sounds like it's

and I'm not saying the coronavirus is not a biologically it's like a

bioengineered weapon and that we all die from it pretty soon,

because that might happen. Like, I'm saying famous last words. Right? But it's not deadly

enough, though. I mean, it it only 2% of the people who caught it

died. Right? I've got the fluid. It's only been deadly to my clean underwear.

Oh, no. But, you know, those those things

come out. And you you see people that you respect in

different areas where, like, the person that put that, I think, is a very intelligent

guy on most things. But then he comes out and he's talking about the coronavirus,

like he knows what insert Mike, protein inserts are.

Maybe he does. Well, he just doesn't trust the mainstream media, and that is a

Isn't that something doctor Scholl sells? Right. I was gonna say protein

inserts make my feet feel great. No.

And I understand why people don't trust the mainstream media. Mike, there's a million ways

in which Of course. I mean, from the New York Times

say saying to us, oh, yeah. We the chemical weapons in Iraq, you bet

your ass Saddam's got them. To, I mean, getting the

facts wrong on a 1000000 different things.

It does feel a lot of times that if you are not of

a certain kind of mindset, mainstream media has it out for

you. You know? If you're not the usual progressive liberal agenda,

like, you're like, Mike, okay. But that's acting like the truth has teams. Mhmm.

Like that there's a conservative truth and a liberal truth instead of saying, like, Mike,

there's a truth, and that's what we should be interested in rather than just what

supports our kind of view of the world. Mhmm. And

these conspiracy theories, whether it's, you know, on the right or the

left because remember how many conspiracy theories were about Donald Trump and the Russians. Oh,

yeah. You know, there's a 1000000 different things and the whole, like, urinating on the

prostitutes and the Moscow or whatever was going on. Mike, it

was too ridiculous that I was Mike, come on here. That,

it's not like conspiracy theories don't run rampant in every kind

of political belief system. But when you when you see

that that, okay, it's bioengineered.

It's Bill Gates owns the patent. All

these kind of things make you feel that,

who am I supposed to kinda believe when I see everybody saying different

things? Number 1, I'm never gonna believe that Bill Gates is actually gonna deep try

to depopulate the planet or would do it through murdering people. Like,

he's not Thanos. No. He's trying to His big he's trying to get rid of,

what, malaria or something like that? I mean, his biggest crime is obviously

Windows 9 oh, no. Sorry. His biggest crime is obviously,

Windows XP. Oh, x okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And t was a rough one

too. No. You're right. But Windows XP Mike the worst. Bacon.

Just the worst. But the thing is is that whenever and

this is about Alex Jones too. Like, Alex Jones, I used to be like he

used to be a lot of fun. I used to enjoy listening. No. I did.

Prison plan all the conspiracy theories and everything. But

whenever somebody tries to sell you something at the end of a Yeah, I know.

You gotta wonder. So when Alex Jones talks about the coronavirus, he's like, you know,

this is the perfect opportunity to store up on the food you're gonna need

when all the food becomes so they tell you, you know, Mike, get food ready

for your bunker. And whenever there's a dollar whenever there's an

ask for a dollar sign at the end, you have to question somebody's

motives. And so that's when I think whenever I read something, whenever

there's a call to action at the end that involves me taking out my wallet,

I'm totally gonna not believe what they have to say because the whole I realize

the entire thing that they've just told me is designed for them to make money.

Right. And I know that news is like that in general, but or the idea

to sell commercials. Like, we all but you're hoping that there is enough fact

checking going on. Right. Exactly. Oh, by the way, if you'd like to join

our Patreon community Right. We're we're trying to

get you to, you know, we're trying to have fun and hopefully you have fun

in the conversation and wanna give us money for it. But, we'll be

very transparent about that ask. Definitely. And so And

we're not gonna, like, scare you into feeling like you have to spend money. You

know, that's that's what I hate about these things. Right.

And the thing is is that a lot of this stuff also happens on Twitter

when and these guys will grab stuff. They'll grab memes and images from

4chan that people create, whether it's a map of how the coronavirus will

spread, whether it's a like, Wendy, you

were looking at the map in China that's showing the different Right. Yeah. Where the,

where people have had the virus, and you see that. Right. It's scary

looking. And the thing is, what we were looking at, Mike, no. I'm looking at

that map, and that could even be a different country. True. You know what I

mean? That they just put China on it. They just put the name China in

Just the fact that the circles Yeah. And you're like, oh, Wuhan's right in the

middle of China. I never heard of Wuhan before.

And I I know I'm not the world's most read guy or whatever, but

I'm just saying that information can be manipulated in whatever way that person

wants you to think. And sometimes the sometimes it's like sometimes

it's very obvious what they want you to do. If it's that guy on YouTube,

he wants you to buy his bleach so you drink it.

If it's, you know, QAnon or whatever, I don't know exactly

what the, you know, what they're trying to do. Or they're just trying to create

an interesting narrative, and it's all some kind of Andy Kaufman esque

experiment. Yeah. It could be. They're just trying to, you know, make their impact

whatever that is. Right. You know, it'll be in,

oh, the 2020. Remember early 2020 when QAnon

created this huge Yeah. Discussion uproar? I mean, I think

sometimes people just get off on it. Yeah. Like, I think about that whole John

Titor time traveler thing that was on coast to coast and

different message boards in the early 2000, like this guy who was telling us about

what was gonna happen in the future because he was a traveler from the future.

Mhmm. And it was just this fascinating story, and nobody ever

took credit for it. Yeah. And you're like, well, Mike, you know,

what what is the point of creating these kind of conspiracy theories?

I mean, some things are fun. When you when you connect it

to Resident Evil, that's fun because it's a video game, and you know it's gonna

be fake. When you're saying all of a sudden you're blaming Bill Gates, who

I mean, there's a lot of reason to be mad at Bill Gates, but the

coronavirus is not one of them. So don't always believe

everything you read on the Internet, I think, is is the first thing we have

to say. And, if you start to feel sick,

be careful out there. Yeah. And there is no cure for it. So you just

have to, like, tough it out and take care of yourself. Well, just like the

flu. Right. Exactly. It's that's the thing is it just It takes some light bulb

for that. It's basically the flu. It's just a different Well, it's a flu made

molecule or whatever. Mike in the lab to kill you. Right. Oh.

But but the thing is, what I always suggest to do and and the worst

is when you see, like, a a beloved family member, like, forward you something.

You know, I was expecting to have more I was always expecting my mother to

be more into conspiracy theories than she is because she loves horror stories,

and she's always terrified of this stuff, and she'll read about it in the news.

But somehow, she's been pretty good about, like, you

know, I think it's because she just says, like, she wants to avoid it altogether.

Sure. Yeah. Instead of being, like, well, I'm worried about this in a lab or

something, she's just, like, don't go to China, Amber. Don't go to

Canada. Nope. You know? Stay away. Stay home.

Stay safe. Stay safe home. Right. Stay in your stay in your bubble and you'll

be just fine. And so, anyway, the coronavirus, hopefully,

we figure out a way so a bunch more people do not die. Yeah. And

it's good advice anyway. You know, wash your hands. Don't,

sneeze on people. That kind of stuff because you can catch other things. Absolutely.

It's good advice to follow. You know, I tell my 3 year old this. Cough

into your elbow. And so that's the best way to not get

respiratory particles into your friends. Also, you know, if you don't

feel comfortable eating bat, don't eat bat. There you go. I was gonna say. But

anyway, so, next time you're looking for something on the Internet

and it says something really outrageous, just make sure you double check it

before you hit that share button, before you post something because then I might

mention it on the show and be Mike, this okay. Who's this

fool? Right. You know, you're Mike, this guy's really smart.

Except that he's, you know, he totally expects me to believe

that he knows what the hell protein inserts are. You know? You

know a lot about ghosts, man. Stick to it.

Now for conspiracies to work like crackpots think they do, it would

require geniuses at the top. Benjamin Franklin

famously said, 3 can keep a secret if 2

of them are dead. Whether it's UFOs, cars that

are powered by water, or bioengineered

viri, the truth would get out.

We keep believing that humans are actually smarter than we are

Wendy the truth is the inmates are running the

asylum.

Thank you for listening to today's episode. You can find us

online at othersidepodcast.com. Until next

Mike. See you on the other side. And the

idea for this episode did come from one of our Patreon members, Chuck

Martin. Chuck is also the author of some awesome books,

and, we've had him on the show and talked about his books. And thank you

very much for the idea, Chuck. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Chuck. And thanks for

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So Ned, your support means a lot to us and all of our patrons. Your

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Now if you wanna meet in person, I will be at the dead of

winter event in Alton on Saturday,

February 8th. So I hope to meet you in person and be there. My sister,

Allison Joyland, will be speaking on some paranormal fun stuff. And we know we have

some Patreons in Alton and the Saint Louis area. So if you are there,

make sure you come say hi. I'll buy you a beer or a coffee,

and we can talk weird. Awesome. Have a great week,

everybody.

Sorry. You know, Mike, we we ruined it for you.