Show Summary:

In Episode 25, Beth and Mel delve into the concept of identity and the process of identifying who you want to become.

• Beth emphasises the importance of understanding one's desired identity before creating visualisations and discusses the common misconception about focusing solely on external goals or habits.
• The conversation encourages listeners to explore different aspects of their identity, recognise the multiple identities they hold, and consider how adopting new perspectives and values can help achieve their goals.
• Beth and Mel touch on the importance of peeling back societal and cultural layers to reveal one's true essence and suggest practical steps for implementing changes aligned with a new identity.
• The episode concludes with actionable advice for listeners to map out their current identities and to contemplate adding new ones.

00:00 Introduction to Identity and Visualisation

20:32 Focusing on Identity Over Material Goals

21:30 Embracing Multiple Identities

22:38 Trying on New Identities

25:49 Aligning Actions with New Identities

27:59 Practical Steps to Shift Identity

29:59 Reflecting on Personal Identity

30:37 Interactive Exercise for Listeners

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Good morning. Good morning, Mel. How you doing?

Did you get up at 06:00 a.m. i didn't.

I woke, I didn't set my alarm. I woke up at 650.

And then I just contemplated till about 07:30

and then I got up. I was just like, sat. My daughter's. She's

gone for a costume fitting for all creatures great and small this morning, so

she needed to be up and out, and she's never up and out. Like, she's

a, she's 19. She, like, she likes a bed. So I was just,

like, concentrating on getting her ready this morning, even though she should technically be

able to get herself ready. But no, I didn't get up. I didn't get up

at 06:00 but I woke up. This

is the time my body wanted to wake up. 650. So we'll try again tomorrow.

It's not eleven, is it? It's not eleven. Yeah, it was, like, a

reasonable time, but, yeah, I failed at the first hurdle, so I'm going to

keep persevering with that one and see what I'm learning about myself on that

journey. I have zero commitment to getting

off. Just for the record,

this is not my dream. Yeah, it's a funny one if I want to do

it, but also, like, when I wake up, I'm like, no, I'm

quite happy. Just, like, thinking about my day,

doing it this way. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. I do think

part of it, just as you said that I do think part of it is

I resented so much when I was working, having to

get up and be at work at 830, that was when

I started, and I resented it. I was like, oh,

and if I was there at 831, I, they slammed the

door in my face and nice. And I think

maybe there's an echo. Maybe I'm just like, for so long,

I'm like, you make me get up and I don't want to, because as a

teenager as well. Yeah. They say that your brain,

your sleep cycles get later. Yeah. I don't know if that's true or

nothing. So maybe, maybe that's it.

But last week, we were talking about

identity. Yeah. Creating habits.

Yeah. Don't you love how synchronicities happen?

Because I was talking about the breath work, and I'd been doing this

breath work, and then that morning, I'd done the session. I was all very proud

of myself that I'd done the session, and I messaged the

group and said, I did practice. And then

Dylan, who was running the thing last

week, by the way. Follow Dylan. He's incredible. Dylan.

Dinesha. We'll put his link in the bottom, maybe.

And he. So I put this thing, and he basically explained to me,

without me asking, what happens to your

brain when you create habits? It's like, message

back. I was like, Dylan, we were just talking about that on the

podcast. So now I have the information phrase

terribly, but how cool is that? Yeah, I love that.

I love synchronicities. Okay, I'm all ears. I'm ready to discuss.

So what he said, and again, I'm not talking

from a scientist's point of view, and this is secondhand.

24 hours later. Yeah, let's just get this. The habit

has not gone yet. But what he was saying was that what happened in the

weekend is we started to create these new neural pathways in the brain.

And we were telling the brain and the

mind, this is something that's good, right? When we

don't use it, those pathways just start to

disintegrate. Yeah, yeah. So we

fire them, and then if we don't use them, they just disappear. And we call

it, I think, it's neural pruning, which is great, because

sometimes we don't need to keep everything in our heads, but when we start a

habit and then we actually reinforce it and we do it again,

it starts to strengthen the neural pathways in the brain.

Yeah. And eventually it starts to create. I can't

remember what it's called, but basically, like a sheath that goes around it. So if

you imagine an electrical cable, and then it's got the rubber that

goes around it, it's like that. So it's strengthening it, strengthen

it and protect these neural pathways from then

disintegrating. So we're telling our brain as we practice

it, this is really important, and our brain is

going, okay, this is really important. We need this, let's keep it.

And so we do that enough times, and the neural

pathways are really strong in the brain, and then it's basically

saying to us, the brain, rather than us, then having to go, I need to

do this, I need to do this, I need to do this. The brain is

just like, to do this, and it

just becomes. It's not willpower. It

just becomes something that our brain is used to and our brain

knows how to do. I suppose if I poured

water down some paths, if there was things all sticky or if it was really

tiny, only a bit would come out. If I kept on forging down

it, I wouldn't have to do very much apart

from open the water source for it to move.

And you think it got me thinking down

the rabbit hole about how

difficult it can be to do that with good habits. Like

you were saying yesterday, that maybe we don't enjoy as

much in the first place and how easy it

is to do with. To do for bad

habits. Yeah. Because as you were saying that, I was thinking, is it the same

for addictions? So if we're doing something again and again,

we're programming it to be something that

happens regularly. I don't know the science around that, but it would make sense that

we create a habit, a good habit, but we're also. We can create bad habits

as well. It definitely works both ways, and

this is where it becomes aware. So, like, I have a

habit, and really, I suppose it's a self soothing behavior

where I just pull my hair, I play with, like, you, right. And I

sit there and I twiddle it. And it's been since forever. Yeah.

As far as I remember, it's always been there. And I've

done things. I've run interventions on it, because

there's been times where I'm like, oh, my God, I'm actually putting my hair out.

Not from the root, thank God, but the, like, shorter bits. Yeah,

yeah. And I've done, like,

NLP with it and works for a while, and

I've done hypnosis with it and it's worked for a while, or it's

lessened it, at least, but then I find.

So last week I had something that just brought some stuff up for me,

and I noticed that I was

really just, like, pulling on my hair and it was completely

unconscious. And then I'd notice I was doing it and I'd be like, look at

what I'm doing. And I'd still carry on because it's

been there, reinforced over and over and over

again that I can swipe it

out through NLP hypnosis, probably even

tapping. But it seems at the

beginning almost like an uphill struggle. Yeah. I'm

wondering if it's because, as well, things like that. Because it is self soothing and

because there's a tangible benefit to it. Like, it feels good.

It might annoy you that you do it, but you're also doing it for

a reason, or we do these things for a reason. I'm wondering whether the benefit

element of it is the thing that when we're thinking about forming

new habits is that are we thinking about

initially, we're thinking it's almost like, a little bit like the law of attraction, we're

focused on the lack of not having something. Right. So when we're first

trying to create this new habit of getting out of bed at 06:00 a.m. in

the morning, we've also got this programming of I never get up at 06:00 a.m.

in the morning. It's a chore. I don't want to do it. And so that's

what's going on in our heads. And I think, actually, if we

focus, what is the benefit? What is the real, tangible benefit, or what are we

expecting to gain from this? Then we start to maybe look at it with a

different perspective, and then once we do that, we've got some real, tangible

examples of how getting up at 06:00 a.m. has actually

created this benefit. And these are the examples that prove that,

and that starts to reinforce the habits. I'm wondering

whether identifying benefits

is maybe part of the puzzle. I'm going to add that into

my experimentation this week as I get up. At 06:00

a.m. that makes sense, Beth, because we've

got. How I'm seeing it now

is, let's say the choice is

that the 06:00 a.m. this is the habit, and the

07:30 a.m. is the enforced habit.

Right. And so when you just try the 06:00 a.m. thing,

the half 07:00 a.m. thing is still there. Like, you've

not. So when I'm, like, with the hair thing, actually, there's

nothing I've done to replace it, and so there's almost.

There's nowhere else for that water to be channeled down. Yes.

Right. And the more you get up

at 06:00 a.m. then this 730

that you've been doing for your whole adult life, for example,

is so protected by those. Those

sheaths, but it takes quite a while for that to break

down. Yeah. And so we have a choice. Do we break down that one? Do

we focus on breaking down that one? Which, in some ways, might be

reinforcing it. Yeah. Don't have sugar. Don't have sugar. Don't have sugar. Like

we're thinking about sugar. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

So, the new plan, I

suppose the way this psychologically works is having the new plan

will then mean that the old plan doesn't get triggered, and then eventually, new or

pruning will just. It will just disintegrate and it will go away.

Yeah. So maybe we have to work on both. Maybe it's form

a new habit and let's disintegrate,

which we can do through visualization, which we can do through healing, which we

can do through soothing, like whatever feels good for you. I think we're being. I

think when we're trying to form habits, we're maybe being a bit hard

on ourselves because it's. If it's something that we've done a certain way for

a while, it's not just neurological, it's biological as

well. Like your body is probably thinking, I'm used to getting up at 730 in

the morning and now all of a sudden we're enforcing this new regime

without actually thinking about. It's not as simple as just getting up in the

morning. We've got all of these psychological, neurological,

biological, the cycles of the month. Everything.

Everything. Yeah, everything going on. And I think sometimes we're probably. We're being a bit

too hard on ourselves by just thinking, okay, just

eat the frog or just do the thing. Yeah. So

I'm liking this as a bit of an experiment right now. Yeah. I've got awareness

of it as well. Like I'm being more aware of. This is

a habit that I want to create. Starts, I think, because when it's

unconscious, it's that. It's just that. And then it's just going to take

the path of least resistance, whereas our conscious mind is

pretty strong. But when we then become aware of it, there's so many

tools out there that we can use to help rewire the

brain. There's EmdR or there's hypnosis

or there's so tapping. Like there's so many things that we

can do to rewire the physiological aspects, the biological

aspects even. And awareness comes first. It always

has to. Yeah. So it's deciding to do the

thing and having the awareness of what's going on. I think as you're

going through that process of changing the habit and creating a new habit,

they also say, joke that actually attaching a habit to an

existing something that you already do regularly

is also a really great way to bring those together. So

maybe if you can think of something that you already do habitually and adding that

new positive habit onto that, then that might also help

depending on what it is you're trying to do. So I take the

kids to school and most of the time we walk. And I

wanted to get more walking in my day. So instead

of going, then going, I'm gonna go out. 02:00

I go straight from. So I drop then

school and then I walk longer because I'm already there. I'm

already doing it. I'm just adding on to adding

on to this. And it's things like when you want to do

some mantra affirmations and do

it when you're brushing your teeth. And I was speaking to a kinesiologist and she

was talking about tapping Orlando, your thymus. So

just gentle, you can maybe hear it in my voice. Just gentle tapping on your

chest. And she used to tell my clients to do it on the toilet. She

said, you're not doing anything else, just tap on the thing. And it's, it's a

good idea. And you just drank some water. And I'm like, that's what I do.

I wake up and then brush my teeth and I come

downstairs and then I drink a whole thing of

water. Because I'm like, I know that if the day just happens,

the water will get forgotten about because you get busy with all the other

things. It's definitely not easy

necessarily, but we can

do things to hack the brain and help it

through. Okay, that's what I want to say. It's very hard to do these things

by willpower alone. Yeah. Which is what I've

experienced today. I think it's good. I

think maybe this is another jigsaw piece to do a bit of a

stock take and identify what are your current dominant

habits throughout the day. Because there will be good habits and there will be not

so good habits. And I think having an awareness of what is going

on and it might be different. Your Monday habits might be different to your Wednesday

habits. But I think unless we actually allow ourselves to look at

that, then we can start to see maybe the pockets of where we can add

things in or take things out or rearrange our day.

But I think unless, I don't think it's just enough to say I'm aware that

I want to change it and I'm recognising them, having these living

thoughts around it. I think actually

doing a bit of a plan of this is what happens. And it can even

go further cultural, like things that we do at Christmas time, for example, that

actually I don't want to be drinking all of this alcohol at

christmastime. So. Do you know what I mean? I think we need to sometimes look

out and think what are all of these different things that we're currently

doing and where can we intersperse or add or remove

these new elements? That's a big piece of work. But I'm just

thinking, actually I need to look at my day to

see. It'S a really good exercise to just

notice where your thoughts are, what you're thinking

at certain times, what's going on when you're not conscious, like

when you're not focused and aware when you find yourself. So if I'm

looking at this from a therapeutic point of view, if I have

somebody come to me and they want to

stop eating biscuits, and there's, again, there's a number of

interventions that you can do, but if we boil down what we're doing

is we're understanding when it is, so that it's 02:00 in

the afternoon. Okay? So now I've identified there's something, there's a pattern there,

there's a habit. We then start to understand what happens before

it happens. Is it because a

biological get a sugar slump and it's because eaten bread in the

afternoon? Is it because that's when the kids

come home and I find it stressful? Is it because that's when

I've just done my hardest piece of work and then I'm using it as a

treat for myself? Right, so we find out what's the

trigger. Yeah. Or is it that it's not a time of day,

but it's whenever the kids go nuts that you find yourself going for that

or whatever? So we find the trigger, but why do we

do that? Is because the pathway that's going on, the

energetic that's happening in the body is going, oh, okay, this.

Now I want this. Yeah. It's not the biscuit really, that you

want. It's the endorphins or it's the

rush, or it's the distraction, or it's the

avoidance of the feeling that. Yeah.

And then we go to interrupt, depending

what intervention we do, but then we generally go to interrupt that

pattern. Okay, so you think

biscuit. Either you think biscuit, let's switch it to

apple as an NLP technique. Yeah. And you swish it

and whatever. And that can work. So the trigger. So you're not actually

healing any sort of trigger, you're just changing it.

Yeah. Which is cool. It's one

way. Or we can take the trigger and then we can look

at healing the trigger. So it's like, what's the secondary gain?

Where did it come from? Why do I feel like this isn't safe? Why does

this put my body into full on overdrive, blah, blah?

And then we can look at healing that either through maybe

some form of regression. Where did it come from? What's its origin? Can I

have a shift on why? I think that's so

helpful. Again, we can do a pattern interrupt going on there. Sometimes

just knowing, sometimes just, oh, look at me. Whenever

I get a message from this person, I always go and reach for the

biscuits. Yeah. And you just know. And you're like, that's.

How is that helpful? Sometimes just that awareness can break the

pattern. And I suppose there's two things going

on there. One, the pattern interrupt, which is this new will pathway. This is what

we do. The brain's just, oh, this has worked every time

we've done that and we're still alive. Amazing. Keep doing

this. And so we train the brain to do it a different way. And then,

as we were saying earlier, we repeat it and repeat it, and then eventually that

becomes the pathway. That water goes down and the other one's like,

that's a long forgotten memory. I do wonder if when you pick it back

up, if the root, if. It remembers,

possibly, yeah. Depending how long ago it was. Yeah, exactly.

Which is why people say, for example, if you quit smoking, it only takes one

to start again. Yeah. With sugar. When I quit sugar for 18

months, and then as soon as with a

vengeance, I was like, oh, I remember this. Very nice. And then there's the

healing aspect of it, of reminding the body that it say

and that it's okay and that we can deal with this and that we can

work with this and that it has a

purpose. And then maybe we then bring

in, I think of it like a psychotherapeutic point of

view. We'll then bring in a different aspect of

ourselves or something that can give us the thing

that we need so that we don't have to reach for

the pulling of the hairdouse biscuit. Even go for a nap. That

can be avoidance behavior. Yes. So maybe another part of the puzzle

is then identifying what is. What do I get out of this that I

can receive in a different way by

a different route. I did that and it

wasn't really conscious. It wasn't like I thought, all right, I'm going to switch this

out. But I did that with chocolate recently and biscuits, because I go to the.

You make your coffee, you make your tea, you have a little break, and then

you go to the cupboard and you get your biscuit out. So I stopped buying

biscuits. Don't buy any. There's no biscuits in the house. I can't eat them. But

I started buying nuts and things like that to

replace that with. And I didn't

change the habit, I didn't change the. Okay. When

I feel like I need to go eat something or when I'm in the kitchen,

I just changed what it was that I was eating. And yes, you could say,

go a little bit further and say, completely remove that. But I think switching

out is easier than like, cold turkey.

So shall we bring this back to identity work? Because I know we were talking

about that yesterday and how that did we digress.

We go all over the place and how this all fits

together with identity and

identifying who you want to become, isn't it? Because we can talk about visualization is

obviously something I do a lot of work around, but I wouldn't

necessarily say create a visualization around this new identity until

you're fully aware of who it is that you want to become. Because I think

people have got different conceptions around. They want to win the lottery or they want

to go on lots of holidays, which is great, but who is that person? What

are they feeling? What are all of their senses feeling in the

moment? And then visualize from that point?

Maybe what the trick is that we get so focused,

even in law retraction terms, we get so focused

on the thing or the habit, so

focused. I want the holidays, I want the millions, I want the even

the body or the whatever it is. But we're

not focusing, like I think you were alluding to. We're not focusing on the

identity of the person that has this. If I want the body,

I'm like, well, I want the fit, the rips and the

strength and whatever. Who do I

become to get that? Because what I do know is

that my current identity hasn't got me there. I

know that that's fact, that my current

identity, which has its beliefs around life and its habits and its

things, doesn't have that. So who do I need to

become? This isn't rejecting who you are, but who do I need to

become? What do I need to add into my identity in order to

get that? Now, we sometimes think about identity and we think that

you have an identity, but you don't. You have an identity as a mother, as

a daughter, as a business owner, as a co worker, as

someone from the gym, as customer. Like there's the

taxpayer. We have identities flying out of our ears. So this

isn't the case of, well, you can't have both. You can have both, as many

as you want, but which one is coming in when

the habits are stacking? So for me, if I think, okay, I want the

body, then what's my identity? That somebody

who's very health conscious, it's somebody

who values moving their body and I might think of

somebody and think about them and their habits. And our brains are

brilliant because our brains will know. And you can even ask yourself

if you know somebody is the real idea. Yeah,

yeah. And you're like, then you could just be like, what would they do?

How would they feel? What would they say to themselves when they're standing in the

kitchen this morning going, do I eat the toast or do I do the breath

work? That was me this morning. What would they say to themselves? And your brain

will give you the answers if you ask the right question. And

so then we can start to try on that identity. And the other

ones still going to be there, like, no, I like to just sit and

watch people on TikTok doing video, doing exercise, rather

than do it myself. Yeah, but it's even that. What would they watch? What would

they do? Who would they talk to? How would they. And you can start to

try it on. And this isn't about

becoming somebody else, but it's starting to

cultivate their. What is it? Their view

of the world. Yeah. It's a different perspective, isn't it? In every aspect. So it

could be how they hold their self, how they would have a

conversation with somebody, how they would articulate their values

about a particular subject, what they would wear, how

they would do their hair, all of these different elements. And it could be multiple

different personalities. Right. You could admire lots of different people, and it's

about bringing that into, in alignment with your core.

And I think sometimes, I think identity is like changing who you

are, but actually, is it actually more so

about just peeling back the layers and getting

back to the core essence of who you always were but weren't

being because of the conditions of society and what our peers

said and our parents said and our culture and all of this. And so actually,

when we think about it that way, I think it's easier to grapple

with, actually. We're not becoming somebody else. We are becoming

who we always were, but we are more powerful in

that. And that is who we are now reflecting out into the

world, or if we've been reflected back, you know? Yeah.

We're becoming more of ourselves. And this, like when you're six,

seven, 8910, twelve, you change all the time.

Oh, she's going phase, she's going through phase, and then

even she's finding herself. And then suddenly you get some, what, age?

28. And it's meh. That's who she is.

Yeah. And it's not because I know that as I reached

40, I was like, oh, I know. I know myself. And that person that I

was when I was 20 wasn't really me. No. And I was

finding myself, and I didn't find her like, I found a version of her,

and she was fine, but she wasn't me. But there's this

whole, there'll be maybe some people listening to this going, oh, isn't that a

bit disingenuous to take on other people's roles?

But that's not really what we're saying. It's like we're trying it

on. Because my theory is, if we see something outside

ourselves that triggers us either in

a negative way, which usually is a reflection of

something that is unhealed in us, or in a

positive way, as in, I admire that. Or

even a jealousy. We often see this in jealousy

is because there's something in you that wants that. And

if we deny that, then we're not discovering and

activating and evolving that part of ourselves.

Yeah. And so it's okay to do that, but rather than

think, oh, I want a bit body, so therefore I need

to smash it at the gym or cut out all my sugar or

switch my chocolates to nuts. Right? It's,

who do I need to become in order for that to

become a habit? Yeah. What do I need to know about myself? What

values do I need to have that

are? Actually, for example, when I go to yoga,

I've always had this identity that I always take the easy way out

I want. I like the easy life. And if there

was something at school, like a PE, whatever, I'd be like, I'll just do

the easy thing. That's just what I did. Yeah. And then when I'm in yoga

and my teacher says something like, we can do hard things, and

I'm like, yeah, I can do hard things. And I'm bringing that, I'm

internalizing that and going, yeah, I'm someone who can do hard things

because look at me, sitting in this position for

this long and still breathing and not

want cursing the teacher, right? Like, I can do hard

things. That was a big shift for

me, that then in other aspects of my life, I'm like,

okay, I'm someone who can do hard things. Maybe I can do this.

Maybe I can embark on this. So that didn't come

from. Maybe it did transpire

from the habit. Yeah. But it was the identity

shift that then kept it going and let

it spill out in other areas in my life. I think

trying on identities is a great

start because as you do that, you will

naturally add to that from your own perspective, it's like we were talking about

Reiki a few weeks ago, where you're doing

a modality or something, you're learning something, but then adding in your own take around

that. It's the same with identity. You assume or you identify

people, personalities, ways of being. Bring that into your

essence, and then how can I make that more of who I am? How can

I make my own version of that? But then I think the next step from

that is then starting to take aligned

action with that because we're becoming that person.

It's not about faking it till you make it. It's what aligned action can I

do that is in alignment with this new identity? And right in the beginning, that

might be difficult because you might be thinking, I want to be a millionaire, but

I don't physically don't have a million pounds in my bank account. But it could

be something as simple as next time you go shopping, instead of buying the

cheapest toilet paper, you buy the super quilted toilet paper. That's a silly

example, but what you're saying is that I deserve these

luxuries. And starting there, spending however much it

costs on quilted toilet paper. Right. The extra two pound. And then

noticing the noticing, the self talk, oh, I

could buy, and why am I. And now my bum only needs the

single thing. Yeah, single down paper.

Very good toilet papers for a variety of prices. But we start to

notice what we do. Both the want the fit

body, and then you hear ourselves going, oh, I'm just lazy. And it's, hold

on a minute. If I had this new

identity, would I think that if the answer is no, we can say to that,

but because it's not true. It's not true that you're lazy. It's a belief that's

come up. For example. Yeah. It's not true that you

probably, if you can afford a three pound toilet

paper, you might be able to treat yourself once in a while to a five

pound toilet paper and then notice what comes up. Yeah.

The guilt or the shame or whatever. And that is where the healing happens. So

then we've got the pattern interrupt. Oh, well, I automatically always reach for the

cheapest thing. I'm gonna, I'm gonna like up level a bit here

and just see what happens. Yeah. And we're bringing

healing or awareness or soothing or

acceptance, maybe even, I think it's awareness

to the part of us that, that tells us, no, it's not

good enough. This isn't you. You were like, it's okay. We're not

losing you. We're trying something new. Let's just see

what happens. This time next week, you might be in the 06:00 a.m. club

doing the damage. I'm going to persevere. I'm going to persevere with three

ply toilet paper. Maybe. So

again, another interesting conversation. I think there's probably so much more that. Well, there is.

There's so much more to talk around identity and all of these different aspects, because

I think we've talked about different areas of it, and I think you could go

in depth in each of these different areas. But I'd love to hear listeners maybe

think about their own journeys

to shift in identity awareness

and habits. I think it's a really interesting

topic. And the more we know about it, the more we know ourselves and the

more awareness we have and who we want to become in the future. So

I think. So. You know what? I'd love for our listeners to

do this? Write down all your identities on a piece of

paper. Right? All of them. I am mother, I am child,

I am sister, I am whatever. All of them.

Taxpayer, customer. All the things that you could be,

neighbor. All of. And then you'll see, you'll maybe

start to understand why it's then okay to also bring in this

identity that feels unfamiliar right now.

Because it's not like you can be a mother and a

child, right? You can hold two identities at the same time.

Yes. Yeah. And then just look at that and go, okay, what

would I now like to also bring in to this equation

and then report back, let us know.