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Episode 1228th March 2024 • Devil's Trap: A Supernatural Podcast • Don't Be A Dick Productions
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Summary

They recap the previous episode and provide information about the director and writer. They introduce the character Josie and discuss Henry's initiation. They also discuss Abaddon's possession of Josie and Henry's escape to the future. The chapter ends with a discussion about John Winchester and the blood sigil. In this part of the conversation, the principal themes include the Men of Letters, the discovery of Astro Comics as the entrance to the Men of Letters headquarters, the significance of the Aquarian Star symbol, the search for Albert Magnus's grave, the arrival of Abaddon, the revelation of the Knights of Hell, the importance of John's journal, Henry's attempt to change the past, and the instructions from Larry on how to stop Abaddon. In this episode, Abaddon arrives and poses a threat to the Winchesters. They learn about summoning Abaddon and the steps involved in the ritual. The process includes cultivating dark energy, fasting, and practicing mindfulness meditation. The Winchesters perform a ceremonial magic ritual to summon Abaddon, resulting in her defeat. Henry sacrifices himself to save Sam and Dean, and they bury him in a cemetery. The episode explores the themes of legacy and secret societies.

Takeaways

  • Time travel is a topic of discussion in this episode.
  • Diana is planning a research trip and reaching out to the National Archives.
  • Diana's birthday celebrations are mentioned.
  • The possibility of having a guest on the podcast is discussed.
  • The episode recap and information about the director and writer are provided.
  • The characters Josie and Henry are introduced.
  • Abaddon's possession of Josie and Henry's escape to the future are discussed.
  • The chapter ends with a discussion about John Winchester and the blood sigil. The Men of Letters are a secret society of scholars who document supernatural knowledge.
  • Astro Comics serves as the entrance to the Men of Letters headquarters.
  • The Aquarian Star symbol is a unicursal hexagram associated with the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley.
  • Abaddon is a Knight of Hell, handpicked by Lucifer.
  • John's journal contains detailed drawings of monsters and supernatural knowledge.
  • Henry's attempt to change the past could have dire consequences.
  • The key to stopping Abaddon is to throw it into a safe and secret location. Abaddon poses a significant threat to the Winchesters and requires a specific ritual to summon and defeat.
  • The process of summoning Abaddon involves cultivating dark energy, fasting, and practicing mindfulness meditation.
  • Henry sacrifices himself to save Sam and Dean, highlighting the theme of family and legacy.
  • The episode introduces the concept of secret societies and their role in the supernatural world.

Chapters

00:00

Introduction and Time Travel

01:44

Researching at the National Archives

03:19

Diana's Birthday Week

05:28

Discussion about an Attractive Actor

06:57

Possible Guest on the Podcast

07:14

Trivia Challenge Idea

07:35

Birthday Celebrations and Supernatural Fandom

08:08

Episode Recap and Director Information

09:05

Writer Information

09:11

Recap of Previous Episode

09:18

Discussion about Family Business

10:23

Introduction of Josie

11:15

Henry's Initiation

13:20

Josie Possessed by Abaddon

14:37

Henry Escapes to the Future

16:13

Henry Meets Sam and Dean

19:11

Josie Attacks Sam, Dean, and Henry

20:00

Henry Reveals Abaddon's Identity

22:42

Discussion about John Winchester

24:23

Sam and Dean's Conversation

26:17

Henry's Blood Sigil

28:00

The Men of Letters

30:34

Astro Comics

33:43

The Aquarian Star

35:40

Albert Magnus's Grave

38:38

Abaddon's Arrival

40:02

John's Music Box

41:53

Knights of Hell

43:38

Henry's Journal

47:24

Henry's Spell

49:32

Possible Homicide at Astro Comics

51:35

Dean Finds Henry

52:12

Henry's Plan to Change the Past

53:26

Larry's Instructions

54:00

The Safest Place on Earth

54:23

Abaddon's Arrival

55:19

Summoning Abaddon

56:13

Preparing for the Ritual

57:29

Performing the Ritual

59:27

Cultivating Dark Energy

01:00:15

Fasting and Renunciation

01:01:25

Mindfulness Meditation

01:02:20

Ceremonial Magic Ritual

01:06:43

Dean's Plan and Abaddon's Defeat

01:07:15

Henry's Sacrifice

01:12:01

Burying Henry and Reflecting on Family

01:13:35

Legacy and Secret Societies

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Transcripts

Jerk (:

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast. I'm Diana.

Bitch (:

And I am Liz coming from the future. We're in the future. We have jumped in a closet and we have come out in the future.

Jerk (:

Are we doing your least favorite thing in time traveling?

Bitch (:

Yes. That's what this whole episode is. And you know, it's almost like part of it is like, it's almost, I will get to it. Like part of it's like, Oh, okay. I can be kind of okay with time trap. And then like, no, no. Then like, then I get real mad at it. So, so the reason is, is we are, we are doing that thing that podcasters sometimes do where we core this a little earlier than usual. So one of us can, can take a, take a break and.

Jerk (:

True.

Jerk (:

No, still no. Yeah.

Bitch (:

run away from their state and go to another state. And yeah, those things. I'm very scared to like say I'm going on a vacation because when I go on vacation, people die. So I'm going on a trip and I'm going to do research.

Jerk (:

You mean go on a vacation? Yes, that's what you're doing.

Jerk (:

You're going on a trip?

Jerk (:

Okay, you're traveling.

Bitch (:

I may end up, I'm kind of like, so I reached out to national archives and they have not reached out back out to, out that they have not reached back out to me. So I'm not sure cause they have letters for Alastair Crowley from when the government was investigating him for being a creepo. And also there was all this German propaganda thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he was with the woman that I am researching.

So I was wanting to see the letters and I'm sure I can probably find them online if I really look hard enough, but I want to see the letters like and like they have them.

Jerk (:

Yeah, that's just way, it'd be way cooler to see them courtesy of the National Archives than finding them on the interweb.

Bitch (:

Right. And so within their finding aid, so if you don't know, you've never been in archives, it's just basically a card catalog type thing, right? And so I found where the letters and numbers for the things, but they don't match anything in their online stuff when you're searching. So I don't know where they are located. So I may be able to access them in

where I'm going, but they may be another part of the, of, of NARA. Yes. So it's just like national treasure. Exactly. It was totally like that. So I will be doing hopefully some of those things and maybe do some research at library of Congress. Cause they have some books that I want to read that, you know, I'm sure again, they're probably online, but Hey, if I can go look at them, like,

Jerk (:

Exactly. Exactly like it.

Bitch (:

and have them called and brought forth to me in the reading room, the Library of Congress. That's cool. And I pay for that shit, right? So like, you should, it was like, that comes out of my taxes. So you should use it, right? Like, I feel like they should. Like, so that's right. And I don't want to like, God damn it, like call, like find somebody I know who works there, because I'm sure I do. But anyways, so I've come back from that. No, I'm still there.

Jerk (:

They should answer and they should answer you. She'll be responsive to you.

Bitch (:

When this drops, I will still be there. But something else that will happen is someone, yes, it'll be, we're starting Diana's birthday week. She's still young enough to do that kind of, where she has like multiple celebrations for herself. And so this is one of her celebrations.

Jerk (:

Yes.

Jerk (:

Good day.

Jerk (:

Sure, sure.

Okay, I'll take it.

Bitch (:

And I'm never sure if we can share these things, but whatever, I don't give a fuck, so I'm going to share my screen, and share it over here, and share it, and replay it.

Bitch (:

So, yay!

Yes, I have been sitting on that one for a hot minute and of course we'll send that to you, but as a leg he is ridiculously attractive. I was watching the phone. I was just like, I'm not exactly sure where he keeps saying. I swear he's saying he's on bone Island.

Oh, Boab. Okay. All I kept hearing is Bone Island. And so I'm thinking about like, yes, I would like to go to Bone Island.

Jerk (:

It's in British Columbia is Bowen.

Bitch (:

Okay, that would make sense, you know, so, so yes, up there is he was ridiculously attractive that area was ridiculously attractive like it always was.

Bitch (:

Yes, yeah, you know, so thank you, Mr. Olsen, and we'll see, maybe we'll reach out and have you on. We don't have people on here usually, so I don't know, but that's the second cast member that has said that. So I don't know, maybe, maybe someday.

Bitch (:

No, I should, we should, well, what I was thinking about was inviting him on for trivia and how the two of you go against each other in trivia. But only ask questions about his relationship with Dean.

Bitch (:

Yeah, so happy birthday. We've and also like, yes, you're part of the Supernatural family. We are, I feel happy to be a part of it. I think it's a great fandom. And so as part of that, anything else from the, we need to talk about that we did in the future. Okay. Okay. So I just wanted, cause I'm super excited to talk about this episode.

Jerk (:

Thank you.

Jerk (:

Nah, we're good.

Jerk (:

I know you

Bitch (:

And so as time goes by, if you did not know as is in this episode that is from the movie Casablanca, it is stuck in my head. It is, we'll see it in the episode. It is, you know, an iconic song. And again, it's an earworm. This first aired January 30th, 2013 and was directed by Sergey, I think it's Sergey.

Maybe a surge. Sorry, dude. Uh, and I was not going to try to say your last name, but, uh, oh my God, I'm the worst. So the director was the director of photography for every episode of supernatural, except for the first one. His last name is L A D O U C E U R. He is Quebecian. So it's French. So it's like French would be like Sergei, right? Or I don't know. I am terrible with French. So, uh, so, uh,

Jerk (:

Sergei? I don't know, I am too.

Bitch (:

He has recently been working on Leah Thompson's new show called The Spencer Sisters. It's about police officer Darby Spencer and her mystery novelist mother, Victoria Spencer. And they have opposite personalities, but they embark on the unlikeliest adventures, becoming partners in a private detective agency.

I'm just also impressed that Leah Thompson has a new show. So I want to watch that now because she's delightful.

So it was also was written by Adam Glass. So we started off with this recap.

Jerk (:

Yes. And it is deep about family business, family blood, John and Mary, John's journal.

Bitch (:

We forgot speaking about family business. Oh my God. We didn't mention, we did not mention this in, in last week's episode when we were talking about Diana's visit to South by Southwest. And who did she get a shout out from?

Jerk (:

Oh yeah.

I got a couple weeks ago now. Yeah.

Jerk (:

I went to Luck Reunion. Yeah, I share, I was drinking a family business beer and shared it to our insta stories and tagged family business beer co and they reshared it. Yay. Thanks. Family business beer company.

Bitch (:

Send us free beer.

Jerk (:

You can smoke this with beer. All right. There we go.

Bitch (:

I'm a struggling springs. Okay. All right. So a family business recap Winchester's legacy bloodline and baby Sam and Dean. They're so tiny. They're so cute. They're just so little baby boys.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

They are. But this episode kicks off in normal Illinois, and it's obviously a little boys room with a lot of kind of vintage looking toys. Hmm. I wonder why. We've got a man in a trench coat and hat standing there watching this little kid sleep. And it's real creepy for a second.

Bitch (:

That is fucking creepy. Yeah, don't watch kids in a transcript.

Jerk (:

But the little kid wakes up and ends up as his dad and dad's just like I gotta go to work I'm just saying bye. I'll be back soon. He's like, what's this weird -ass symbol on your tie dad? And dad's like I'll tell you about it someday and then turns on a creepy music box and leaves his son

Bitch (:

Oh.

Bitch (:

And he leaves and then he ends up down an alley and he does a secret knock

Jerk (:

Ah.

Before that, he walks by a fucking beautiful 58 Ford Skyliner with a retractable hard top. And in the distance is also a 40s Ford or Chevy pickup. Very similar body styles at the time, so it's hard to tell. But that Skyliner was chef's kiss. Anyways. So, yeah, knocks on a door that has the symbol on it and.

gets let gets let in and there's like this woman sitting by the stained glass window. Well, I was going to let you get there.

Bitch (:

No, there is this goddess. There is a goddess standing by a stained glass window because everything she does within this episode is fucking amazing. So this is our first glance at our goddess, Josie, which is also the name of one of my mother's caretakers. And she is 84 years old, which is older than my mother. And she is a small Hispanic woman from McAllen, Texas, who is very different from Ms. Josie. But...

Jerk (:

Josie.

Bitch (:

This has as many of the same characteristics. I won't say which ones. So this Josie, the goddess that she is, is there in this fabulous blue dress and pearls and the hair. We can't even see at this moment how good this hair is, but like you can tell from afar it's good, right? You know.

Jerk (:

I'm to make an observation and I will say that when I was watching this episode, I was several glasses of wine in. So just bear with me. But I also had both babe and one of my step sons over and we were and they helped. They were very quick on the car identification front, by the way. But also we had a discussion that our the dad, this gentleman that we have not officially met yet, but we will soon looks kind of like he could be related to Jake Gyllenhaal.

And Josie, who we've just met, looks, she's got some Scar Joe fucking vibes going. Little bit, little Scarlett Johansson vibes. Am I wrong? Do you see it a little bit? A little bit? Okay. The red hair kind of helps, but anyways. All right, I just had to throw that in there.

Bitch (:

Yeah, you can see that. Yeah, yeah, you can see that. Yeah.

Yeah, so it means you see her and then we see a guy in a cloak. What? What? There's a guy in a cloak. What? What? There's a secret symbol. There's a cloak. There's a secret knock. What the fuck is happening here? Oh, oh, oh, I like, I'm just like getting bubbly and excited. What's going on? What's going on? And then and the guy in the cloak like takes Josie in and

Jerk (:

Yeah, because there's some kind of initiation is happening. That's all we know. They made it to the initiation.

Jerk (:

yourself.

Bitch (:

Then the guy in the trench coat takes his coat off and it is the most like impactful blue fucking suit that fucking like he's just smoking hot. I'm sorry. Like he's also distracted, distracted, distracted. Otherwise, it may a word which is distracted. He's distracting me attractive. So much like Ty Olsen, he is distracted. So, but.

Jerk (:

nice blue suit.

Jerk (:

Ooh, distractive. I like it.

Jerk (:

Uh, yes.

Bitch (:

Unfortunately, as gorgeous as that scene is, there is some screaming and some yelling, which interrupts that.

Jerk (:

Yeah. And so this guy runs in, the dude runs in the room. There's dead guys on the floor. There's chanting in some other language, probably Latin. There's a priest bleeding from his fucking eyes telling Henry is what we learned the guy's name is Henry. Don't let Abaddon get it and hands him a little wooden box. And now. Yes.

Bitch (:

But so is.

Bitch (:

And the wooden box has the same symbol that was on the guy's own pen.

Jerk (:

pin and the door. Yeah. So it's been repeated.

Bitch (:

We've got a theme that's kind of running through. And if you've like, if you've watched it, we're a seasons and you should recognize this Latin by now, at least like by tone and things like, Hey, this is probably an exorcism, right? Like, okay, that's what they're trying to do, but it didn't work.

Jerk (:

Yeah, that's Latin. Yeah.

Jerk (:

No. And ends up Josie is fucking possessed. Josie is Abaddon and she is like choking out chanting robe dude. And then she looks finally looks at Henry and we see her eyes black. So we have confirmation that she's demon. Yeah.

Bitch (:

And she has some things to say and they come out in some high pitched screams. You know, she has some feelings. They're, they're quite, they're quite loud. And then she's yes, as you should. But she stalks him through and he starts mixing ingredients in a bowl. And you're like, Oh my God, this handsome man is going to do some fucking magic. And that's amazing. And then he starts chanting oom bop, oom bop, pow pow.

Jerk (:

And Henry runs.

Jerk (:

Yes. Yes.

And he uses his concoction to draw a symbol on the door, including some of his blood. And she's trying to break down doors and find him. But by her, well, she's like flick of the wrist.

Bitch (:

And she's breaking down like her arm like she's like she's like he's like she's got like fucking like Obama guns like they're just like so sculpted. And you just like she's just like what the fuck is your workout routine? I'm sorry, I really do worship her. But like her arms are like just because they match like in that dress in such a good moment. Like she's so strong. She's trying to get through this door.

Jerk (:

I can tell.

Jerk (:

Well, he has done the symbol on this door that keeps her from being able to break in, but it also, he falls through the door and comes out of Sam and Dean's closet in their motel room. What?

Bitch (:

And then he asks, which of you is John Winchester?

Jerk (:

Oh, no. Yeah. So they're just like, the fuck neither. And he's like, Oh, what did I do wrong? He's all upset. So Dean's like, Oh, we're going to pin you to a fucking wall then you just fell out of our closet. Sorry, brah. He's like, no, I'll just I'll talk to you. I'll talk to you. I'll explain what I'm looking for. And he's like, this is just a big misunderstanding. So they. Oh, yeah, he doesn't want to tell them shit overly polite and like.

Bitch (:

He's very, very polite about this, like in a weird way, but yeah.

Jerk (:

Anyway, so Dean tries to handcuff him to a piece of furniture and he manages to handcuff both of them to the furniture instead. It's pretty impressive, actually.

Bitch (:

Like what, what is going on? What did he do? So he grabs like he escapes and then he escapes to the wonderful future. That is 2013 the parking lot of a crappy motel, which is I say, if you're going to come back, like, hopefully, like it could have been Jersey, right? So like, like that's like a good place to land though. And he spots baby and he checks the tag on her and he figures out that the date what it is, right? That's.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

2013. Yeah.

Bitch (:

and that the Mayans were wrong.

Jerk (:

And then he does something to him.

Bitch (:

He's a bad man.

Jerk (:

he breaks baby's driver's side window.

Bitch (:

He hurts baby, he does. And then he like yanks on her wire, so hot wire her.

Jerk (:

He's going to try to hotwire, but luckily Sam and he know how to get a fucking handcuffs since they got a gun on him. Boom. Done. And they take him back to the motel and they.

Bitch (:

Yes. And also, like, I'm sure, like, I'm just like picturing, like, all of, like, the people who, like, took, like, that, like, moment of, like, Sam and Dean hang off together to a bed and just, like, they're, like, wound it. How much fan fiction did that inspire?

Jerk (:

Ah

Jerk (:

I don't think they had time to pound one out before they went and stopped him from stealing baby.

Bitch (:

Okay, I wasn't saying that they went that far. I was just saying inspired fan fiction. You're filthy. Okay. So you are so fucking filthy. All right. So inside the room, they have run their tests.

Jerk (:

I'm the filthy one. So gross. No. Yeah, they've done all the demony tests on him. And they just and Dean wants him to talk. But Henry is being real fucking condescending. He's like, Yeah, you wouldn't understand. You're an alpha male monkey, whatever. And violence won't help you comprehend this.

Bitch (:

Yeah.

And to be fair, like, is I kind of go back and forth on like these like Dean is like over there, they have overly accentuated his monkeyness, or his alpha maleness in this, right? I feel like his attitude towards Henry, and just in general, like I feel like it's exaggerated a bit.

Jerk (:

But he also calls out this ass hat that fellow of a closet asking about shows up asking about their dad and smashing baby's window. I'd be pissed too. I'd be pissed. So they piece together then that Henry pieces together that John Winchester is Samadhi's dad. And as he realizes this, the room fucking shakes. Henry tells them to run and guess who comes out of the closet where he came out from? Fucking Josie, AKA Abaddon.

Bitch (:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jerk (:

he apparently forgot to like seal it behind.

Bitch (:

Yeah, he's he's a new you know, so there she is the goddess, the queen and we learned this man's name is Henry and she just tries to be a business woman and she tries to bargain with the box with a quick death. She's like, look, you know, just even the boy came here for and I'll kill you easy and they don't listen. So then they get flung.

Jerk (:

Well, and Dean tries to stab her with the demon blade, but she flickers a whole lot, but it -

Jerk (:

They decided to.

Bitch (:

Yeah, right when he does that, though, I just dragged this a whole lot longer than like you did. So, OK. So just because I want to talk about her more. So he stabs her with a demon knife. And when they do this, this is when you can really see how amazing that fucking green cat eye arches. And that's like, fuck, it's just so good. Like, so I like this is I was really I was like zooming in and like taking pictures and sending them to my friends today. Like, look at this green cat eye who makes that work?

she does. So, but sorry, they all run away.

Jerk (:

They all run away, they get in baby, they peel out. The guy from the motel office is yelling after him. And then Josie confronts this motel guy and she sends her black cocksmoke into him and says, in his mouth, yeah.

Bitch (:

in his mouth like this is innovative right like so far we have only seen demons like cocksmoke out and she's just like watch this i don't know it's just like she's it she's you know just the she's just like this just going in she's just

Jerk (:

Yeah. Cock smoke sharing.

Jerk (:

It's just, show me what you've seen, is what she says.

Bitch (:

Yep. And so apparently like she like fl - into him and then like she can see his memories and they are all about the Winchesters.

Jerk (:

Yeah, because that's all she's looking for. And so she sees flashes of them and then says, thanks. Goes back into Josie body and cuts this guy's throat.

Bitch (:

with her fucking nails. And I'm just like looking at like, this is the only time like that I wish that I like had claws. And I'm like, that's so cool. Like, like your nails to be a felonious weapon. Like, it's just the dream. So she like, you know, she does that. And then we go back to baby once again, peeling off. So how much of like, how many tires do they have to buy for her like?

Jerk (:

Oh, I'm sure a lot. They go through a lot of they go through a lot of tires. I mean, I mean, they do, but it's like the circum like the complicated ceiling, like where they go bite by tires.

Bitch (:

Do they steal them? They probably, like, I feel like those are the things that you shouldn't steal.

Yeah, I hope they like rip off a fire stone or something. I guess. Anyway, so I'm just thinking, so we've it's both it's bulk trash pickup in our neighborhood this week. So like everybody puts their bulk trash pickup out. So everyone just goes shopping through the neighborhood for like things they want. And the neighbors across the street from me put out tires and then like somebody picks them up within like two hours.

Jerk (:

So.

Jerk (:

Oh yeah.

Jerk (:

I don't think you can put those with our bulk pickup. I don't think we're allowed to.

Bitch (:

I don't know. Anyways. All right. So baby is peeling off in the road and John's getting sick.

Jerk (:

Yeah, they're like off in some woods somewhere. Henry's puking his guts up. And he's like, I enjoy adventures of a literary nature because he's very fucking proper. And he says that the woman is Abaddon and she's from hell.

Bitch (:

From hell! Like, here's your hint to say she's from hell. She's from hell!

Jerk (:

And he is from normal Illinois in 1958.

Bitch (:

No, like normal, normal Illinois. That's where they pick for this motherfucker.

Jerk (:

Yeah, of course. And Dean's just like, the fuck. And Henry's like, I just need to see John. And this is.

Bitch (:

So I feel like we get a really great line here that I feel is kind of fourth wall breaking where Dean says, seriously, dudes, trap time traveling through motel room closets. That's what we've come to.

Jerk (:

Well, they inform Henry that John is dead and Henry is. Yeah, well, I mean, he hasn't been very helpful to them. I don't know why, and I don't know who this guy is. Why would they not be harsh about it?

Bitch (:

Yeah, yeah.

Bitch (:

I don't know, somebody came in through my closet and they're like, yeah, and they had something to do with my dead dad.

Jerk (:

I need to find this person!

Bitch (:

I'd probably be nicer to them. I mean, great. I haven't lived their truth. You know, they they've had their informed by their own experiences. But anyways.

Jerk (:

That's true, they probably know them.

Jerk (:

Well, Henry is very upset about this because Henry is John's dad. So this is their grandfather that they had never met before. And we get a super close up of a very serious Sam face.

Bitch (:

Ah!

Bitch (:

Yeah, and hopefully like, so this is their other grandpa. And now we're just like, okay, let's hope this one doesn't suck as much as a Campbell's side, right? So we're like, just fingers crossed. All right, come on, you've got to redeem like these boys need some love and family love.

Jerk (:

Yeah, sure. So they go eat at a diner and they've and then while he's like gone for a second, Sam and Dean are discussing like they checked his ID. It's actually him. He knows all about John. This is really their grandfather. And then they're like, but maybe this means that he did not run out on John and that he got stuck somewhere. And that's actually this is fucked because if this is the case, that means that like a formative part of John that probably like really impacts how he was not a great.

dad, but and all these other things and how he hated his dad for walking out. His dad may have never walked out at all. Oh, oh, heavy.

Bitch (:

Mm -hmm. Yeah. And then like it. Yeah, well, Dean, though, he's really just on this. I want to I want to be there. I want to be the voice for John. I want to be mad for John because he's not here. And Sam's like, he still sucked as a dad. Right. So. It's like, you know, like we can't remember. Yeah, like he like and we'll get through that more. But also like, God damn, I want burgers and fries. Well, y 'all stop eating at Dimer. Like.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

Which is a good point. He didn't exactly make up for it.

Bitch (:

I did eat the salad because that was what was in my fridge because I had like, like I had a salad that kind of like looked like Sam. So that was fine, but it was not the perfect fries.

Jerk (:

Ah.

Jerk (:

Well, they're sitting there all sitting there eating and Henry's like, no, I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I met my grandsons. That's good. And Dean's like, what if we just need to clean this shit up? And Henry's like, yeah, it's not that easy to kill Abaddon. You'd need this fancy ass fucking demon knife. And Dean's like, what the fuck do you think I used?

Bitch (:

What did I know? It's not Abaddon. It was like he's like, just demons in general, right? So it's more condescending than that. And it's just like demons can't be killed by run of the mill cutlery. And so this is where you're kind of like the condescension is getting a little like, too on point. And like, you can see Sam is starting to buck up and he's like, don't fuck. And like, just like, look at my fucking knife, bitch. And like, it just kills demons.

Jerk (:

Yeah.

Jerk (:

That's all. So Sam, so he's like, OK, fine. So a demon gave this to me. Does Dean tells him and Sam's like, what? What the fuck was this portal? Can we can we shove her back through it? And it's like is Henry's like, oh, is this blood sigil and my blood leads to my blood? That's how I got here.

Bitch (:

Yeah. So it is a blood sigil, blood, these are blood or necks of kin. Right. So the idea of this is like, you know, so you got these ingredients together and we learn the next thing that is going to be his blood and angel feather, tears of a dragon, a pinch of the sands of times. Right. And then you say the words over them. Why did it go like forward to the point where it was Sam and Dean and skip over John?

Jerk (:

Yes.

Bitch (:

Like there was a long time where John was an adult man. Like that was 1958. Why did it go from 1958 to 2013?

Jerk (:

to 2013. There was a lot of time it could have gone to 1978, you know what mean, 1988, 1998. Like there's a lot of times it could have hit before it got to 2013. Very weird.

Bitch (:

Yeah, I don't like that's never explained. And I feel like that's a gap in this. Yeah.

Jerk (:

No. I agree.

Also, why was Abaddon able to go through it? Was it just because the exact same doorway was open? But there's a good line early on.

Bitch (:

That's because John sucks at magic and there was something that he didn't do right Henry sorry. I oh I'm like John Henry and I keep when I see it

Jerk (:

Henry Henry did it wrong. Okay. All right.

Well, and she made there was some comment throwaway line when he walked in to the building when he knocked on the door or something about like a family affair. And I was wondering if they were related, but it was such a throwaway line and there was nothing else that alluded to it that I ignored it to Josie before they before it was ever done. Yeah.

Bitch (:

to Avedon?

Bitch (:

That's never something that I don't think so. I don't think that she is. I don't think that's a little.

Jerk (:

Maybe he just meant that it was a group group gathering because I can be that too. All right. All right. So back at lunch, he's Henry's like, well, we need it, including in addition to the ingredients, we also need some soul power. So I've got to charge back up. And he's very upset that Sam and Dean don't know what the fuck soul power is because they thought only angels could do this and tap into it. And he's like, what the fuck are you? Are you kidding? And so now he's also asking what level they are.

because he thinks that they are men of letters.

Bitch (:

Yeah. And anybody who was into any sort of like Masonic or like secret societies or hermetic orders or any of the fun shit, like as soon as you start hearing things about like levels and you're just like, what? Oh my God. Oh my God. This is secret society shit. This is secret society shit. And then they say something like, men have letters. You're like, and then like, didn't your dad teach you our ways? Oh my God.

no, we got this is good. This is this is going to a good land, right? And they're like, No, john taught us to be hunters. And then like he just he throws down some shit.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

Yeah, Henry is not appreciative of hunters. Hunters are apes. Y 'all should be legacies.

Bitch (:

Yes, yes, I love the legacy. It's so good. I think everybody wants to be a legacy, like, or at least like that's what I like. My top fantasy lands like anyone who like loves like a Harry Potter realm or anything like, you know, like where you get to like, wake up and find out that you're a secret. No, everyone's to wake up and find out they're the secret heir to like an academic knowledge of occult lore.

Jerk (:

That's very specific.

Bitch (:

Okay. So moving on, so they go to a building.

Jerk (:

They go to the alley. That's what the modern version of the alley that that he went to meet with the men of letters in 1958. Only now the door has had the sigil filled in mostly, and it is now the entrance to Astro Comics. And he's pretty distraught about this. Dean's real annoyed, but he really wants to know what the fuck the men of letters is to.

Bitch (:

Well, especially because he spent four hours in a car with a man who apparently only wanted to listen to Pat Boone. And I don't understand what. Fuck you. I would have thrown him out of the car. Fuck who you are. They. Y 'all could have like taken the wheel here, right? Like why y 'all had four hours like you could have asked some questions like like, why is it now that you want him to explain men of letters and what he has against hunters? You had four hours. You want to wait until you're outside like.

Jerk (:

Yeah.

Jerk (:

lot of Pat Boone.

Jerk (:

Yeah, this is a waste of time.

Jerk (:

Right, when you had four hours in the car. Yeah.

Bitch (:

Okay.

Jerk (:

So they're like, he's like, fine. He goes off about hunters again about how they shoot first, ask questions later, blah. But luckily Sam kind of finally tells him to pump the fucking brakes, man, because in addition to being hunters, they are John's sons.

So he's like, yeah, you all should have been men of letters to blah, blah, blah, blah, elite. It is.

Bitch (:

No, this is not blah, blah, blah. This is no, it is not Sam. So Sam reminds me of their jobs. Children. Henry is just like, I know you were more my father and his father before us were men of letters. We are the chroniclers of that which man does not understand. And so these are the people who are.

documenting all that is supernatural like through time there like the Watchers and Buffy they are the people who write down what happens like in the supernatural world and that's just like the coolest thing that should exist that doesn't and so

They only share their information with hunters, but they're only with the elite, right? And then like Dean like rips it back to like super other nerdy thing. And he brings them like a Star Wars reference. So now they're just like sucking at nerd teats, right? And they're just like, we are pumping you full of like, you're getting all of like, you get to have your academia world that you know is coming and you get legacies and then you get Star Wars and then.

Jerk (:

He does.

Jerk (:

Yeah. But Sam's never heard of Man of Letters, so they're going to go into this comic shop.

Bitch (:

Everyone's just like, why, what, like, shouldn't we have heard of you? Like, why has nobody like heard of this bit?

Jerk (:

So they are in this comic shop and Henry is pontificating that Abaddon's just after this fucking box and he was supposed to learn all the secrets to know what the fuck the box is as initiation, which never happened because of Abaddon. So inside the main room, we've got Surf's Up America by the Bodega Girls playing and the a really cool chick working the counter.

Bitch (:

Yes, and like we can like you see her eye makeup is also amazing. She is rocking like a classic sort of pyramid eye with a complete like black ringed liner, which I am echoing tonight in tribute to this girl. I thought about doing her side pony, but I just got my hair blonded and cut today so I could not do a side pony because it's too flat. But anyways, so.

Jerk (:

liner.

Jerk (:

Ah.

Bitch (:

They're like looking for like elders, right?

Jerk (:

Right. And so Dean, like what's there's some funny back and forth where he where Henry calls their cell phone a walkie talkie and tries to call an operator on it. And then he they're like, well, let's just use a computer. And he's like, you can't fit a computer in this room. And so Dean borrows the clerk's laptop temporarily. It's pretty funny. I found that amazing. It was good references for the time travel. And they're searching for these the elders by name.

Bitch (:

Yes, it was. It was all very good.

Jerk (:

and they find a news story.

Bitch (:

And while they are doing that, Dean and the punk rock girl are eye fucking each other, which makes me, you know, like, aw, Dean Winchester likes punk rock girls, that's cute.

Jerk (:

I've doing just like girls, but. That's true. They figure out that they're on August 12th, 1958, there was a tragic fire at the club and that like killed a bunch of the all the elders. But there was obviously not a fire at the club because they're standing in this building that is not burned down. So what the fuck happened? And they figure out that that's one of these names listed as deceased is a.

Bitch (:

Okay. I'm just glad to know we're not excluded. So, um.

Bitch (:

This is a clue. It is Albert Magnus who is Sam should know, but that was a clue. Henry definitely knows that it's a clue. So they go to our favorite place. Let's go to the cemetery. They go cemetery.

Jerk (:

Cemetery!

Jerk (:

and they find Albert Magnus's grave. Well, Albert Magnus was an alchemist in the Middle Ages, so his is not actually his grave, obviously. And.

Bitch (:

The graves.

Bitch (:

No, it is not. Unfortunately, the 13th century alchemist's body did not somehow show up in.

Jerk (:

No, in normal or another diamond. Yeah. Are they normal? They're normal. Yeah. So and there's it. It was and there's an.

Bitch (:

I think they're back in normal. Yeah. But, but it was an alias. And it was his plant. So I come to this grave. What is the symbol?

Jerk (:

Yes. It's an Aquarian star.

Bitch (:

Yeah, so this Aquarian star is a legit symbol and I on the Super Wiki was actually kind of impressed with like what they what they said about it. So it is a unicursal hexagram. And the reason that they it's called that is because it's an axiogram that you can make in like one like one swoop without like taking your finger off like. And so it's continuous, contiguous, right? Both those words.

Jerk (:

One line, yeah. A contiguous line.

Bitch (:

We passed our SATs. So it's described as the magical star of Solomon, which is similar. Like you have the star of David, this is the star of Solomon, right? And this was used extensively by the Golden Dawn and later adopted by Alastair Crowley and or Crowley. And I have decided that I'm just gonna say Crowley from now on. I'm just not going there. I'm just, I was spending a lot of time researching Alastair Crowley this week and cause whatever, but.

So it all comes back to that fucking beast. That's where we are with this. And I'll stop pointing and hitting my microphone now because I'm being slighted about the star.

Jerk (:

Well, either way, this is where Henry asks if they know how to zoom a body. Which is just funny for him to ask.

Bitch (:

Boy, how do you have we got something to show to you, Grandpa? Look at us, Grandpa. We've been doing this for our whole lives, Grandpa. This is all we do for most of the time. We don't do book learning. We just dig up these tombs, these graveyards and also on the tombstones for Larry Gannon. There is a Haitian symbol for speaking to the dead. And that was it was a symbol for one of the Loa.

Jerk (:

Right. Watch this. Watch this. We can dig up a body real good, grandpa.

Jerk (:

We dug up so many bodies.

Mm -hmm.

Bitch (:

Anyways, so they they they dig and we go back to the comic book shop. But the bump bump bump.

Jerk (:

But Abaddon has arrived and our clerk makes a comment about the Carrie screening because Josie slash Abaddon is still looking fabulous except for the blood splatters all over her dress.

Bitch (:

But she really does look like she's going to like, she could be like, she would win at a carry contest, I think. So yeah, she still looks amazing. And then she decides to cocksmoker.

Jerk (:

Yeah.

Jerk (:

She does the black cocksmoke to see what you saw. And well, after she sees...

Jerk (:

Dean, she notices that our clerk has a cute little devil girl shirt on that says, the devil made me do it and compliments her on it.

Bitch (:

keep tight.

Jerk (:

Yes, I think I think I've seen it somewhere else recently, like on Liz right now.

Bitch (:

But I've also realized that the chick, the pink and the devil like matches my hair exactly. I did not plan that, but somehow I matched the, I matched the devil and the devil made me do it shockingly. So, so we go back to our grave and our boys all sweaty from digging a grave, just like we like them.

Jerk (:

it matches. It does. It does.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

Cemetery.

Jerk (:

And they have discovered a, the corpse of a world war one vet. And, um, it is captain Thomas Carrie the third, and basically they just know someone wanted them to see it. And so this is the hidden identity and Henry's like, okay, great. We got the identity, bury it, rebury it now. Thanks.

Bitch (:

Yeah, he's got something is he's he is. His. Yeah, yeah, and they think like how much that was like imprinted in his brains, I don't know, so. He's rude about that and we go back to the hotel, which is a bitching hotel, it's just.

Jerk (:

He's a little inconsiderate. You can also know where John gets it from.

Jerk (:

It's so good so good. It's a good motel and

Bitch (:

Yeah, and that always makes me think like, look, you guys like I know this is TV land, but they always have like these not so great signs. And then like these insides are amazing. So I'm like, are all these hotels that I drive by like, do the inside secretly look like this?

Jerk (:

No, they are not. They might, but they smell not like what you think it will. So they're Sam and Dean are researching. Henry is whistling as time goes by from Casablanca. And Sam remembers that John whistled that sometimes. And so we get a little nostalgia moment where ends up that that Henry gave John a music box that plays it as well. And he would play it to help him sleep.

Bitch (:

you

Bitch (:

But he gave him that music box because he got scared watching Abbott and Costello meet the mummy. Which is not a scary movie, you fucking pussy, John. But OK, like I got scared watching the Gremlins. That made sense, John Abbott and Costello meet the mummy. Come on, that's slapstick comedy. Anyway, so Dean has. You could what you can you can have it in Costello.

Jerk (:

I was a wuss, so I'm not gonna say shit. All right, so... I know. Well, I mean, as a child, I was a bigger wuss.

Bitch (:

As a child you could watch Abbot and Costello because it's Abbot and Costello. Anyway, so Dean has found that Tom Carey is alive and he's 127.

Jerk (:

That's true. That's true.

Jerk (:

100, just 127. Oof, good for him. So, Dean's like, I'm gonna go to fucking sleep. We'll go in the morning.

Bitch (:

Well, you're like, do they, can you still get like medical aid? It was like, do they like cut off your services at a point? Anyways. Yeah.

Jerk (:

They just make an assumption and you get like a death certificate in the mail. Like there's no way. Sorry. And but in the midst of this, Sam finds a note in John's journal about torturing a demon who worked for Abaddon and says that Abaddon is a quote, knight of hell. And Henry. So Henry explains a little further, knights are handpicked by Lucifer.

Bitch (:

Night, yes, hell. I f -

Jerk (:

They were the first fallen, first born demons and the legend was that the archangels had killed them all. But apparently fucking not.

Bitch (:

Yeah. And this is for the most part, completely supernatural mythology here. This is not there are occasionally within some of the demon hierarchies. There are like Knights and ship, but there aren't like Knights of Hell. But that is my next metal album. So and, you know, so look for Knights of Hell like coming out soon on SoundCloud. So.

Henry asked to read John's journal.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And he says that the men of letters use journals as well. And after his initiation, he was going to start one.

Bitch (:

The explanation, like it was the same thing was weird here. I didn't like it. And like, I get where it was going and what it was leading to. But Sam was like, you know, hunters like write journals, like men of letters. I bet like within your culture, you wrote like, you know, like it was like this weird thing, right? The way he said it was like, I bet men of culture letters had heard of journals. We know what a journal is like.

Jerk (:

He was like, look, we're not all dumb -dumbs. We're not all dumb -dumbs. We know how to use our words. Yeah, so, but basically what it comes about is this fucking journal actually was supposed to be.

Bitch (:

Yeah, also, like, why is the no point in this as like Sam not yelled, I went to Stanford.

Jerk (:

I wish that would have been fucking greatness. We figure out though that this actual physical journal was supposed to be Henry's that he had ordered before his initiation. And so John had used it. That's pretty cool. That is cool. That's a cool heirloom. Heirloom initials. Bust, yeah. Yeah. And Sam, though, does take this opportunity to fucking call him out and be like,

Bitch (:

you

That's pretty cool. Yeah, his letters are involved. His letters, his his initials are monogrammed into it and looks really cool.

Jerk (:

not really call him out but explain because who knows if Henry just got stuck it's not really his fault except that he went to a dumb time but by the way your son thinks you ran thought you ran out on him and has shaped his entire life and made him a shit dad by the way

Bitch (:

Yeah, so this is when Henry first starts to think of this now. Now.

Jerk (:

Yeah, he hasn't even it hadn't even dawned on him. He's just been upset. John was dead and then harping on harping on the boys not being men of letters.

Bitch (:

Well, yeah, so.

Yeah. So this is like way, it's really interesting though. If you think about what people's assumptions are, as they're operating on things, right? And so these, like, these two have been like, or these three, I guess, have been like operating in completely different lines. John, like, I keep wanting to call him John. Henry is just assuming that everything is fine. And he goes back to his, I mean, as an audience, you don't know either, right? But Henry is just like, assuming he goes back and everything is fine.

Jerk (:

Right.

Bitch (:

and that he raises John. So it hasn't even crossed and would it have, right? Like, like, because in his world, this has been like a day and a half, right? He's, it hasn't been that long. So why would it have crosses? I don't know.

Jerk (:

No, you don't wanna, and do you wanna think about that? All right.

Jerk (:

Yeah. And so he's upset, which is he had been there. Dean just gets angry. And then he, you know, and Henry just tries to justify probably rationalizing to himself to a little bit where he's like, well, I guess it's, you know, it was my responsibility. It is what it is. But Dean's big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big,

Bitch (:

Yeah.

Bitch (:

Well, he thinks that that Henry chose men of letters over his family. That is and that is it was what. Yeah. And right, you know, but he's also offering and what he knows at this point, right? I think he's still like completely come around to that like.

Jerk (:

Over family. But not intentionally.

Jerk (:

Well, I don't think Henry's told the fucking story that he was literally in a crisis and running from some shit.

Bitch (:

Yeah, I don't think I think there's been a lack of communication about like a whole bunch of stuff that happened before this like and what type of person he is like, like, so everybody's assuming a lot of things. But also, it's really hard to concentrate because Henry is so goddamn good looking. And I don't know what the fuck he's saying. He's so distracted.

Jerk (:

Weird.

Jerk (:

Is that what it is? It's distractive. He's distractive. Well, all of a sudden, I've never noticed that there are these badass dot drawings inside John's journal that.

Bitch (:

Yeah, John, yeah, John's journal just is he Oh my god, my notes say John reads through Henry's journal. Like I keep Yeah, but look, he's like,

Jerk (:

Oh my gosh. Henry's reading John's journal and there are these badass dot drawings of monsters in it. Where did this come from?

Bitch (:

Yeah, there's obviously like, it's like an he basically john is an anthropologist, like based on then we've already kind of known this, but like he is like a crypt like he is a cryptozoologist amongst other things, but it's but also that I look at this, I'm like, this is the type of journal that I want to have. And then I will spend hours looking on Etsy or Amazon trying to fill this journal up and I can't make it happen. But

Jerk (:

Wild.

Jerk (:

Well, in the morning, they all go to bed in the morning. Henry's gone and has left a note about how he's going to fix everything. Well, fuck, we always know this goes badly. So Henry is at an apothecary slash who do shop whatever, asking for a tear of dragon and sands of time.

Bitch (:

Yep.

Bitch (:

But don't wrap it up. I'm going to use it right away. And the girl birth encounter is like, Oh, I don't know what you want. Crazy man. Would you like some cover root?

Jerk (:

And he's like, no, no, I saw symbols. I know you have this shit. And so she cocks a shotgun at him. Good girl.

Bitch (:

Yep, because he's not asking for things correctly. And just I would throw you out in my fucking story here being a dick. And I don't think this is a 1940s jargon. I just think Henry made me kind of a dick and or just doesn't know how to communicate with people well.

Jerk (:

Yeah.

Jerk (:

bad communicator. And then he pretends that he's gonna buy some chamomile instead but blows it in her eyes and says a spell and she falls out.

Bitch (:

Yeah, he do wops at her too. And then she like falls asleep.

Jerk (:

So, they are back at the motel. Dean figures out that Henry broke into trunk. Not trunk. Yeah, I haven't looked at.

Bitch (:

Hey, trunk. So he probably like did that with like a screwdriver and he's fucked that up too. Like he's broken a window. He probably broke the lock in the back of her like you don't even know Henry. And then he stole shit. He stole like and that probably came out of Cass's ass like we don't know like where that angel feather came from.

Jerk (:

Yes.

Jerk (:

And he's stolen an angel feather.

Jerk (:

But I hope he doesn't have feathers in his ass. That sounds awful. Just pulling ass feathers. Like what the fuck is happening? Is he a chicken?

Bitch (:

You know what? It's like a private...

Bitch (:

Oh god! Oh no, you broke me. You broke me. We broke each other. Alright, so they were like looking for a surreal place that sells real hoodoo.

Jerk (:

Oh, fuck. Well, yeah.

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm, because he needs ingredients. So Sam's researching and Dean is going to call Garth. Yay, Garth. But in the middle of this, they get a police scanner announcement about a possible homicide of Astro Comics. Well, shit. Well, shit. So they know that Abaddon must have struck again. So.

Bitch (:

over the wires.

Bitch (:

have a donut struck again so they split up.

Jerk (:

Yeah, Dean's going to go find Henry and Sam is going to go talk to fucking old ass Larry. And they all need to figure out how to kill Abaddon. So Larry's place, there's this old woman that seems like a lovely caretaker for Larry, who looks great for one hundred and twenty seven, by the way. Well, him.

Bitch (:

Larry. Larry.

Bitch (:

She's just, she's well put together. Oh yeah. Larry for 127 is also doing well. And he's just like, tell Sam Amidon, Abaddon, Abaddon killed everyone but him.

Jerk (:

Abaddon. Yeah, but blinded him and but he didn't get the but Abaddon didn't get the box. That's the most important thing. So it's basically all we know is the box contains a key to the. Every object scroll, I don't know, it's it's.

Bitch (:

No, the key is the in the box is the key to every object, scroll, spell ever collected for thousands of years under one roof. It is the supernatural mother load.

What is this squeaking noise in your house? Okay, and you're weird. I think it stopped. There was a weird like,

Bitch (:

I thought it was at your house. Anyways, so what it is, so basically what they're saying is like the library of Alexandria. This is the key to the supernatural mother load, which also sounds like possibly a Ben & Jerry's flavor. The supernatural mother load, like yeah, I feel like that's something that they would make. And maybe they'd be able to like little like pentagrams like and like pentagram chocolate chips in there.

Jerk (:

Is it? It might be. Should be.

Bitch (:

Anyways, so like there's this like, so we cut from this like from the Supernatural Mother load to Dean.

Jerk (:

Yes. And Dean has found the shop where Henry is attempting this spell and he's like, they get in a fight and they're basically just arguing about who's more sad reading John's journal.

Jerk (:

interpretation of it and Henry's like I need to go back and give John the life he deserved and save him and Get back, you know, and then before You know, I go back in time before Aberdeen ever Aberdeen Abedon ever attacked Aberdeen Aberdon attacked the the headquarters

Bitch (:

You

Bitch (:

So this is how my notes of this written so Henry is very upset about what he read in John's journal and he wants to go back and do the right thing he wants to save Henry because I still can't call John Henry like I still didn't accept Jean Dean tries to my god Okay, whoosh Dean tries to dissuade him with the laws of time travel Dean is like we're good grandkids. We stop the apocalypse What more do you want from us?

Jerk (:

Yeah, and he's like, well, there might not be an apocalypse to stop if I succeed in this, but also y 'all might cease to exist. So.

Bitch (:

I don't seem to care about this as I just wanna say it, like, I don't know, but I also...

Jerk (:

No. Now, now I decide I want to care about my family, but I might also be able to care about my family and get rid of Abaddon at the same time.

Bitch (:

I mean, I know that this like John Henry comes from 1958. And in 1958, the number of time travel movies was limited. But it feels like what he is trying to do has happened in many a time travel movie where you just keep trying to go back earlier and earlier, thus creating multitudes of each other. And we know so then we just end up with either having people who don't exist or multiple things. And this is when time travel is stupid.

Jerk (:

Stop. Yes. Stop. Time travel is stupid. So Sam asks Larry how they stop Abaddon. And he's like, you need to take this key to these coordinates that I'm writing down for you and you just throw it in and walk away. It's the safest place on earth. It's warded and it's the price to pay to keep the secret from Abaddon.

Bitch (:

Yep, yep, yep.

Bitch (:

It is the safest place that ever existed.

Jerk (:

is this place. But

Bitch (:

And he's just like, but Sam's just like, so if I do that though, like all this knowledge just.

Jerk (:

And he's like, yeah, it's worth it. That's what you have to do.

Bitch (:

This is like, basically this is like destroying Atlantis.

huge thing.

Jerk (:

Yeah. And then the caretaker ends up as a fucking demon and slashes Larry's throat.

Jerk (:

Ah, so...

Bitch (:

She's also just been hanging out with a chef's knife this whole time. Like nobody just said like.

Jerk (:

Talk about it and also talk about a long game. How long has she been fucking possessed?

Bitch (:

I mean, not that long. She's, you know, like, she just flew, like, she was like over, she was in the shirt like 10 minutes ago, like, so she's been around.

Jerk (:

I'm just saying like, has this been his caretaker for like decades and she's been a demon? No, I'm not talking about Abaddon. I'm talking about, oh yeah, you're right. No, Abaddon, it's the, okay.

Bitch (:

No, no, no, no, no, Avedon, this Avedon. So...

Bitch (:

It is out of the house. So she just came over there now. So it's new. Like it was like she just killed the bitch that was the son of the bitch. The woman.

Jerk (:

Okay.

Bitch (:

the 127 year old man.

Jerk (:

Hmm. Well, either way, we've now got Josie in Josie. Hey, Abaddon has stolen our the wardrobe of our punk rock comic book comic book shop check.

Bitch (:

Okay, so yeah, so she's killed Larry, there's blood splatter everywhere. Dean's phone rings and here, here is our much sexier Abaddon. She is here. And I wish she was here now. And I am going to teach you how to get her here now. So hold on to your butts people. So I'm going to teach you how to summon the demon Abaddon. Dun dun dun!

Jerk (:

Mm -hmm.

Jerk (:

you

Jerk (:

Oh God.

Bitch (:

All right. So we're not doing a lore on Abaddon and there's, there's three reasons for it. One, just because there's lots of, lots of things about the demons slash angels slash blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That could be Abaddon, Abaton and like the references that were in the Old Testament, the New Testament, things change. Just a whole bunch of stuff that have nothing to do with anything that's in this episode.

So instead, um, I thought that you guys would like to know that because on the internet, you can learn how to do whatever you want. So in case you wanted to bring, I, hopefully like it brings you this hot, glorious creature in a devil's made me do it t -shirt and black leather jacket and perfectly coiffed hair and amazing cat eyes with these amazing motorcycle boots and skinny jeans. It is like the perfect outfit that I want to live in.

Hopefully that is a demon that like if you choose to follow these rules and do this like comes to your house, but if it's not no back seas, I know I can't control what you do. Okay. Is it for a novel to use only. And this isn't even my shit. This is according to occultist .net. Um, you can find it occultist .net backslash how to summon Abaddon the angel of the abyss. And it's by Aston new sever.

Jerk (:

you

Jerk (:

For novelty use only is what you're saying.

Jerk (:

The angel of the abyss.

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And if you're not satisfied with the instructions that I'm about to read you, you can request their ritual services on their site. Or if you just don't have the time for to do it yourself, like you can thumbtack them, which is, you know, so they will come and they, and they can perform this for you.

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No.

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Well, I mean, and say thumbtack, it's there for sale. Like go to the, this will be in our show notes. And you think it was like $99 ,999 or something to have them do rituals for you, but they said they would. Okay. So your preparation for Abaddon summoning ritual number one, you're supposed to cultivate dark energy. Abaddon protects the gates of the abyss.

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Mm

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Again, as I said, there are many interpretations of things of Abaddon. And some of them come from the apocryphal texts, which are things I like to say. Those are the things that are nested outside of the King James Bible, but they may have been written by people who were part of that cult. We don't know. Like, you know, they're just additional texts, right? And in there, there is a story, basically, that Muriel

hell was helping to gather the parts that made Adam, but eventually Muriel becomes Avedon. But in other things, Avedon has to do with kind of Hellwife or the Destroyer or they like have things to do with the underworld. So I think we're going more on this one with underworld, right? So Avedon protects the gates of the abyss and they are protecting the gates as much to protect the abyss.

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Right.

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as to protect those who are not ready to step aside. As the abyss is, these are not my words, the abyss is a dark place that can lead to one's total destruction. At the same time, it can be used to harness a great power imaginable. To gain Avedon's respect, the magician has to cultivate his dark and negative energy instead of letting it go. Okay, so don't let it go. You just hold on to that dark and negative energy and you just,

foster that like a garden, right? You just you rake it, you rake that dark energy. You yes, you don't let it go. You don't let it go. Right? Because that energy, this negative energy, according to them is not necessarily bad. It depends on whether you allow it to exist or try and fight it. And honestly, that's not a bad thing. We have negative things in our life, you really do have to face them. That's at least what these people like go to therapy keep telling me like,

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of Elsa.

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Don't let it go.

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can't just if you keep shoving it down and down and down, apparently it comes out in unhealthy outbursts. I don't know if that's true. That is what these people with degrees keep telling me. We are not psychiatrists. All right. So it goes through some other things. All right. So once your dark energy is cultivated, you have to do fasting and renunciation. Again, not on board with this, but this is to appease Abaddon. Like apparently Abaddon wants you to be hungry and

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Oh no. That's rude.

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to know that you're willing to reduce your physical needs. So you should perform a water fast for three to seven days. This means not eating anything and only drinking water. Of course, consult your doctor before fasting to make sure you don't have any underlying health conditions that would be exacerbated by this practice. Now I would really like, I appreciate that you kept this in your instructions, but I would...

like to witness this doctor's appointment or at least like the scheduling of the like so like especially what I have like I have my primary and they're through like the bigger things and so be like okay so like do you have any signs of COVID no then all right why would you like to come would you want telemed or do you want to come in what are your symptoms I don't have any symptoms I want to fast for wise

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I need to... I need to...

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I want to make sure that I'm okay with fasting. So please, please make sure to check with your doctor. Number three, mindfulness meditation. The last requirement for summoning Abaddon is to clear your mind of chatter. Mindfulness is a state of mind where there are no thoughts, just pure emptiness. Get those thoughts out of your mind, empty them. You're thinking, aren't you? Stop it. You see it.

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I'm gonna de -man and I want to make sure I can fast safely.

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Ha ha.

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In that state of mind, when thoughts enter your head, you'll be able to recognize them and easily remove them. This is very much like having the abyss inside of your head, a dark and tranquil place, which just sounds lovely. So you need to perform 20 minutes of mindfulness meditation in the morning and 20 minutes before going to sleep for at least seven days before attempting to summon Avedon. All right. So if you've done these three steps, you're ready to perform a ceremonial magic ritual.

to summon Avedon into your life for the before mentioned benefits. Shit. What is she giving us? I left that part out. Whatever Avedon gives you. So if you wanna give those things, you don't know, it's like a surprise. So these are what you're gonna need. You're gonna need black ropes, or all black clothes, a ritual blade, dagger, sword, dot, dot.

Salt, myrrh, incense. This ritual should be performed in a dark environment, preferably at nighttime. Your ritual step by step. I love this WikiHow. All right. Number one, wear your black robes or clothes to symbolize your cultivation of darkness and affiliation with Abaddon, the gatekeeper of the abyss. Two, create a magic circle on the ground with salt. Salt is usually used as a substance, traditionally used as a substance.

for creating magical circles, circles, not circuses. The magical salt circus will be coming to a town near you soon. Number three, light up myrrh incense. I'm sorry, I forgot you were supposed to remain inside the circle throughout this ritual. Inside, inside, don't go out. You know, interesting choice, isn't it? Right. Number three, you light up the myrrh incense. Myrrh incense can be purchased. It has been used for thousands of years in rituals.

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Inside the circle. Okay. Interesting choice. Interesting choice.

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Okay.

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Murders is also an analgesic or painkiller and as such the ideal instance for a dark ritual of this nature. Number four, sitting in the middle of the circle and facing north, which you can find by using Google Maps on your phone, which I did not learn like for a while. That's why it was so hard for me to use like Google Maps and the walking thing because I kept going to true north and like...

It made no sense to me. And then I finally figured out like somebody showed me to turn that shit off. And I was like, Oh, now it's like, where should I go? Anyway, so find true north and you face it. And then you use our ritual blade to draw Abaddon symbol in the air. It's very complicated. I can't describe it. You have to go look it up. So, um, while you're drawing that symbol, you're supposed to chant some words. They're very much oom bop, oom bop pow pow with Abaddon in there. You can go look them up. And then you say them 13 times.

And even if you've come, but you're supposed to like draw the symbol as you say that 13 times. So even if you complete the symbol, like you still like you've got it, you've just got to hang out. You guys say 13, not 12, not 14, 13. All right. Number six. Then you go lay down on the ground. So make sure that you're in some place that it's okay for you to do that at in what is known as Shavasana or corpse pose and yoga and close your eyes. Then you allow the darkness.

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lot of times that's like some fucking rosary.

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the soothing incense and energies you've evoked to enter through your limbs and move to your heart and third eye. Instead of blinding you with light, this energy will draw you into a dark vortex. As set number seven, as you spiral downwards towards the abyss, you will find Avedon waiting in the Lois region. In this visualized dream -like astral plane, you have the

to communicate your desire to Abaddon and receive his blessing and assistance. Say what is you want, reveal your dark ambition to Abaddon and he will surely reward you for your effort and devotion. When you're ready to end the ritual, imagine the dark vortex, I don't want to say dork, but imagine the dark vortex, bringing you back out to the surface and open your eyes. You remove the ritual items, turn on the lights.

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text.

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and perform some completely unrelated activity to get back to your ordinary senses. So again, these are not our ritual guidelines. These are from the occultist .net and Aston new sever. And if those things were too complicated, you can hire them to do them for you.

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So we are not responsible for anything that you summon into your house.

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Interesting. I will not be doing that.

Yeah.

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You're welcome. Not laid down on dog poop. Well, I'm pretty much like an avioli before it laid down anywhere is outside. I'm going to be checking that. Yeah, I'm not that much of an ancient child that I'm like, I'm going to flop down this grass. I live in Texas. If I flop down the grass, there's 90 % chance something there is going to kill me.

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mostly just thinking about if you do this in my backyard, you'd have to like. I don't know. Yes. I mean, not that we don't pick it up, but still.

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Well, we've got now.

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We have now gotten to the point where Abaddon wants to trade Henry and the key for Sam.

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Yeah, so Henry is like, no, I still need to go back. But Dean's like, nope, sorry. So he grabs him and drags him out. And they are, I guess, knocks him and knocks him out and drags him in the car. Dean is driving with Henry says he's like, nope, you can't, you know, I know you can't save dad. You know, I know you want to, but.

Sam's the only family I've got, so we're going to save him. So guess where they go? In a...

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Diana's favorite places are we're going to have your birthday party. I can't wait to drag you to an abandoned warehouse. I really would nobody inside. Anyways, so Dean brings Henry into the box and they're going to trade.

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Oh my god.

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Yeah, and Dean's negotiating this and Henry's like, don't do it, but whatever. And Sam's apologizing as it's happening and telling Dean this to Henry and saying, telling Dean this is a bad idea. And right when Dean and Sam are about to turn and run, Abaddon closes the door with her demon powers trapping them inside.

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She lied. I'm so surprised. But then he shoots her in the fucking head. And the assignment's okay. This is this is this is okay when I this device is fine.

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Oh no. And she throws her, shoves her hand into Henry's gut. But he has slipped the cuffs and puts a gun to her chin and shoots her in the fucking head.

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and we get a.

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Yes, because apparently earlier Dean and Henry made a fucking plan where Henry's job is to slow Abaddon down.

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Slight of hand, slight of hand.

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She's like trying to grab for the box from Henry, but it's just playing cards in Henry's pocket. And she is freaking out. And she is hurting Henry, throws him down on the ground, but she can't move.

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Yep, she tried. She tries to cocksmoke into him. And this is where I also put John instead of Henry, god damn it. And so in our flashback, we see Henry carving a devil's trap into a bullet. And holy fucking crap. Somebody finally thought of that. And it's taken us eight seasons or somebody gets to the point where we go, holy shit, what if we carve a devil's trap into a bullet?

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Hmm?

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So cool.

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Right. Because now the bullet's in her head and so she is stuck in fucking place. What the fuck?

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Yeah, we got some problems with this. Okay, so all right. So she is like, we get to like in the present Abaddon just like laughing like, you didn't kill me.

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And she's like, but wait, I'm stuck the fuck. And so Dean goes on a rant about how he's going to slice her up into steaks and put her in concrete.

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Yeah, so we're kind of a little bit of psycho Dean is back here. I'm like, damn, what the fuck, man? Like you want to look at her? She's amazing. Look at that fucking like all of her. She's perfect. You can't want to cut her up and bury her in a comfort. What the fuck are you thinking? But also, like I what? I'm sorry. So like what I know I did. Why?

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So does that mean like her like slabs of flesh would be alive even though she's in a, it's a meat suit, but the meat suit, like the demon doesn't die and the meat suit doesn't die. I'm very confused.

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What I don't under I don't get yeah, I think Shit like I don't I think I can't like her saying in the head like honestly like I feel like you could constrict like if I was gonna do like go with this right if I was gonna run with this I Would say like you could like

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very, very confusing and distressing.

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Right, if you're gonna buy into it, you got this, yeah.

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cut off like the head and like the brain and like you can get I don't know I don't I don't get it like I feel like it's the like the demon soul because I feel like that's what this is right like the devil's trap is capturing a demon soul basically I feel like it's attract attached to the devil's trap so I don't think the rest of the body parts of anything to fucking do

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Right.

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it. I think like you could just like take out like this little bit like you don't have to chop her up using to take out this little bit like right here. And like that is all of it right and so like the rest of the body would rot away and you couldn't just like put it back with it. Like the rest of the body would fucking rot like the only thing that is like what is what's attached to that.

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I don't know, man.

I don't know about that.

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I don't know. But is the demon, when a demon's in the body, is it that concentrated in one location or is it take up every cell? Because I think there was something before where they said that it's like in the whole body. I don't know. Either way, Abaddon slash Josie's head's on the floor because Dean beheaded her and it's not good because we don't know what the fuck's gonna happen.

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I don't know like

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Yep, yep, yep. And so Henry is dying because once again Castiel is somehow unavailable. Like, okay, sure.

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Not around, yeah. And he's, you know, wants to give a very sentimental speech about his son.

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Yeah, and he's very sad that they he was judging them because after all, you know, they're Winchesters and as long as we're alive, there is always hope. And it's very cool. He grabs her hands and then he says that he would have been proud of John and. You know, then he dies.

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is appropriate.

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And so they go bury him in the cemetery because if they luckily they go put him in a cemetery, but like this guy has been missing for a long time and time travel. They can't like really have like a regular like.

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Yeah, I mean, there's but there's no hunter's funeral for him, which is interesting, right? They don't burn him. But yeah, with the hunter, the hunter's funeral, though, is not because you're a hunter, right? Like the whole purpose of it is so your body doesn't come back and it's all really about it. So it's just like, we're OK if you come back, I guess. And to me, like it always leaves the door open if you leave the corpse there.

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But he wasn't a hunter, he was a man of letters.

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That's true.

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Yeah, that's true.

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But so yeah, so they do that and Then Sam starts talking about some shit

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Yeah. He's reminding them about how Cupid talked about mom and dad getting together. And Dean's just like, yeah, we just got a whole lot of debt in our family tree. So I don't really know what what the deal is.

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No, so Sam is, what Cuban, what Cuban was really talking about was just about how like the Campbells and the Winchesters themselves were these family lines that were just epic and had to be drawn together, the brains and the brawn. And so Sam is seeing this from this like whole like, he's getting like this epicness of like, what is probably like what it said and Dean is just like,

I feel really hurt because I saw my grandpa and he reminded me of my dad dad and like that's and I'm a hunter. I wasn't like it was like, but it's like, it feels like the Sam is taking this from a higher level, right? And then they both like start kind of wondering like, you know, like what difference would this have made if John had known.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's the question. As they decide as legacies to go see if this magical hiding place for the box still exists.

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Yeah, yeah, what's in the box? What's in the box? Yeah, and you know, just like what's the last? Yeah, what's the chance that this place is still standing? You know, it's a chance we have to take. But. So. I think we've got a lot to uncover, you know, as because, oh, so what is the chance we're going to take? We're legacies. Ah, OK, I think I'll leave it on that and let you.

run through some important, important people that we met in this episode.

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could art people.

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Yes, so first we've got Henry Winchester played by Gil McKinney and he's been in episodes of shows like Ghost Whisperer, CSI and Castle. He was a reoccurring, fairly regular character on ER as Dr. Paul Grady. He was Max in The Grudge 3. Derek in Friday Night Lights, which is a reoccurring character. Prince Eric in Once Upon a Time is a reoccurring character.

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Yeah, he was.

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And he was in a couple episodes of the Winchesters, which is pretty cool. They made sure to bring.

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What? I'm sorry, like Winchester's? What's that? Like that sounds like this whole fake world. I don't know what...

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TV show I'm not allowed to watch. Oh, I know, but I'm not allowed to because we're worried about spoilers.

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I haven't watched it. I'm not allowed to watch it. Well, I'm just like, I'm not allowed to watch it, but I've chosen to not watch it.

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And then Josie, AKA Abaddon, was played by Elena Huffman. And so she has an episodes of Dawson's Creek, the OC, NCIS, CSI, both Miami and New York. She was also a reoccurring character as Black Canary on Smallville and Twidla Twist in Riverdale.

Our comic book shop chick was played by Katie Stewart. Interestingly, she's about about almost half of her credits are stunt work, including stunt work on Supernatural. And just one fun feature film. She was Anna Kendrick's body double in the movie Noelle.

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I did it!

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Yay!

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And if you look at her, you can really see, like, you can see the kind of, like, you can see the anachondria. Like, I can see it.

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You can see that.

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Yeah, but she's also been as an actress in episodes of Stargate SG -1, L Word Arrow, Nancy Drew and The Order. And she had small roles in The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants and She's the Man.

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So cool. So.

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Yeah. So, yes, this episode is pretty fucking epic. Time travel is still stupid. Josie's slash Avedon looks like a bad bitch. But this premise about realizing that John's dad never left is real fucked, real fucked, real fucked.

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Yeah, there is so much. So this, you know, behind the scenes, a double strap podcast. So when we were talking about, you know, doing like doubling up this week for my vacation, it was, oh, Diana's like, oh, we can do back to back. And last week's was LARP and the real girl. I was like, oh no, honey, we can not do back to back for these two episodes. There, there's far too much is going on. So there's so much that we learned from this.

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Hehehehe

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episode, right? Like, and like, we're like, mids, you know, this is episode 12. I guess this is mid season, right? But I feel like we have just like taken like this huge fucking turn, right? Like we have gone from I don't know where we were like, basically, we're trying to figure out the Kevin problem, right? And now what? What have we disrupted? Okay, so we've got

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Mm -hmm.

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Oh yeah.

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Right.

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series family history drama, trauma, secret society.

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Yes, so we've got this whole thing. We got Henry. So let's start with Henry. So what do you think about Henry?

Yeah, what do you think about him like Henry and like as a character? Because I've obviously have bias, right? So.

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What?

Well, he's a terrible communicator and kind of a pain in the ass, but he does seem to be a nice person.

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Yeah, I think his heart's in the right place or, you know, at least above his stomach where Abaddon punched. Well, yeah, and. And clearly based on, you know, like, granted, the dawn was not that old when this happened, but he also, you know, was old enough to apparently take some things from Henry and incorporate them to his his parenting style. So communication, not a Winchester strength, but.

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Yeah, he was trying to do the right thing. He was just very committed to his legacy as opposed to. And didn't really think about much else.

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Yeah.

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We also learned that not only that, but the Winchesters for decades and decades have been uber smart men. What? Like, look at like our like AP link.

grunty, giant men like so what did they just like like were they smaller before I don't understand like how like you can't just grow a Sam and Dean those are giant fucking boys like you can't like

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Cupid was trying to breathe.

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It is what's happening. It is. I know it is. This is. Oh, God, no, it's I would say this is almost eugenics. I don't want to go there, but it is like, but it is. So. But that means we have now a long. I love this in a storyline. I love this in a fantasy like nerd genre, like the idea of log like.

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Big ol' hunters. It's kinda creepy.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like it always like I love that as a device. I think it's great. I also love a secret. If you're shocked, I love a secret society. Why? I didn't just quit my job to devote my life to spend time searching for somebody who is in a secret society. Like, why? But or just also like someday we'll figure out like why my god why my grandfather has both the odd man and his

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What? No.

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Yeah.

or why he has both Oddfellows and Masonic things on his tombstone. I don't know. Mystery. Maybe I am a legacy of maybe. So this is also something I kind of skipped over as we were being excited through this. We've got this. What we've seen, like saw the little clip that we saw at the beginning of the Secret Society, it is very much what we think of as like.

things that are kind of derived from like the Masonic secret societies and hermetic, like so Crowley type things, but there were very much in that over of secret societies, not you know, we're not in the like, culty like manson world we are in the these are the Rosicrucians. These are the people who have kept things hidden, like not quite illuminati, but like almost right. Right. So I mean, that

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No.

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in closer to that style for sure.

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symbol is an alchemical symbol or something goes back I think all of that is all this crap right that I love crap that I love so so we've got these the super like secret society we don't know where that's gonna go but they've they've got apparently what is known as a supernatural mother lode they don't know what that's gonna be

Anything else? Like, I feel like I got it.

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No, I think that covers it. It's a lot. Lot 10.

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Yeah, there was a lot that happened in this like this episode.

Jerk (:

Yeah, because even if it wasn't that happened, it was a lot of information to the universe.

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Yeah, I think a lot of canon, a lot of canon was like, say, like re brought in, brought back in and then also introduced. Yeah. So there's a lot I think that is in. Maybe we will influence the future episodes of this show. I don't know.

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Mm -hmm. Or changed or filled in. Yeah. No, I agree.

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Ooh, who knows?

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I don't know. Welcome to the SVN family, Diana.

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Finally.

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finally. And I will send you that and you can watch Ty, Ty Olsen's face over it. So distractive. All right. Cheers jerk.

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Cheers, bitch.

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